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Why is no one buying this? - Fairphone 4 review

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Ryan-Thomas

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Жыл бұрын

In today's video, I review the Fairphone 4. Sustainable tech. Is it worth it? And why is no one buying this thing? Let's find out.
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@sloeginandsleep1170
@sloeginandsleep1170 Жыл бұрын
My wife has used a Fairphone since the first model and is now rocking the Fairphone 4. It's been brilliant! She spends long periods travelling for work and it works pretty much everywhere, battery life is good (if not stellar) and she carries a spare in her laptop bag just in case, the cell signal strenth is better than my S23 Ultra in the same locations on the same network and when she cracked her screen, she fixed it in 20 mins on our dining table. Only one fault, and that was the USB C port stopped working....but she still used it in the meantime by swapping in the spare battery when the primary died, and the new part took 36 hours to arrive. Theres no complaints from her, nor me. The issues with the camera aren't a dealbreaker for us, and every Fairphone from FP2 to FP4 have had Security updates for at least 3 years and regular bug fixes, so it's all good. When the Fairphone 5 launches, ill be moving over to that.
@AshishKumar-kv4hr
@AshishKumar-kv4hr 11 ай бұрын
The point of being eco friendly and long lasting is moot then if you're gonna upgrade.
@sloeginandsleep1170
@sloeginandsleep1170 11 ай бұрын
@AshishKumar-kv4hr I am primarily moving earlier than intended, becuase there are so many bug and critical failures on my S23 that it is becoming a massive hindrance to my ability to use it. Typing texts often causes the cursor to move back onto lines of text I've already written, meaning I've got to go back and correct it after. The zoom camera keeps not showing an image in the camera app, so is useless. Battery ghost drain is horrendous, going from 95% when I went to bed to 31% when I woke up 6 hours later. There's also issues with my screen beginning to seperate from the glass on the left side (no damage and no cracks). All issues I've reported to Samsung, all bar the screen have been acknowledged as bugs. It's currently back at the service centre for the 3rd time in 6 ish months and they are currently classing it as, as quoted from their service email "Unrepairable". So either way, I'm going to end up with the issue of replacing it, so replacing it with a greener and more morally sound choice seems be the right option.
@AshishKumar-kv4hr
@AshishKumar-kv4hr 11 ай бұрын
@@sloeginandsleep1170 shouldn't Samsung be replacing it if it's under warranty?
@sloeginandsleep1170
@sloeginandsleep1170 11 ай бұрын
@@AshishKumar-kv4hr Yes, they will be. But I'm still waiting weeks later, so I have no idea how long it will take. Not really helpful, but it is what it is.
@justinholding02
@justinholding02 Жыл бұрын
i bought one, it's brilliant, just as was the fairphone 3. But I have 0 interest in the camera's features, I own a Canon EOS R5 for that 🙂
@7i4nf4n
@7i4nf4n Жыл бұрын
Same for me, just with a Sony A7 :)
@Jillw1993
@Jillw1993 Жыл бұрын
Same! Camera is not that bad actually when you know how to use it!
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking of buying it too, just makes sense. I really only use my phone for messaging, browsing internet, consuming media, and taking photos but not for anything special, I too have a camera for that.
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas 11 ай бұрын
@@Jillw1993 no haha
@2nd3rd1st
@2nd3rd1st 11 ай бұрын
You can just use a USBC cable to connect wired headphones, like the modular Fairbuds XL that Fairphone sells, which can also be connected via USBC cable if you don't like to use the removable batteries.
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 Жыл бұрын
It’s not only about sustainability, it’s also ensuring that resources like gold have not been mined my child slave minors in Africa. If we are choosing convenience and luxury over that then what are we? The west has had it too good the past 40 years all on the back of poor people in other countries. Time to sacrifice this stuff and bring things back to normal. That’s my opinion and why I will be getting it.
@adrianTNT
@adrianTNT Жыл бұрын
2:39 they should have made a transparent back case version for it. Showing everything the phone has to offer inside (modules, connections, etc).
@RaySmith-zg7od
@RaySmith-zg7od Жыл бұрын
Yeah and if Nothing and fairphone him it would be awesome both would compliment each other so well as a company
@adrianTNT
@adrianTNT Жыл бұрын
@@RaySmith-zg7od I found out that there was a transparent case that was discontinued, because it was not reliable enough over time, it cracks I think.
@JJMMWGDuPree
@JJMMWGDuPree 11 ай бұрын
@@adrianTNT - Yup, I had one. You drop your phone on the pavement a couple of times and suddenly the back gets cracks in it... The replacement is much better, I've dropped it down two flights of stairs (Twice!) and it just laughs at me. This morning I stuffed the phone in my shirt pocket then bent down to pick up something by the door and it f ell out and hit the ground hard. I had to remove the battery and put it back and it's still working fine. All in all it's done pretty well for a seven and a half years old phone... Except for that furshluginer transparent back.
@juriscervenaks8953
@juriscervenaks8953 11 ай бұрын
@adrianTNT Fairphone 5 has transparent back.
@vrzn
@vrzn Жыл бұрын
Why do people always need the fastest and most shinyest phone? Just get the Fairphone, and try it. I did too, and am happy i can get cheap parts instead of buying an entire new phone
@pipapo3030
@pipapo3030 11 ай бұрын
Im still super happy with my Fairphone 4 :)
@JustinTunley
@JustinTunley Жыл бұрын
I have one of these things, but with Lineage/ Magisk/ Micro-G, so although I take your point about the software, I don't think it's such a barrier, especially as fairphone make these so easy to unlock the boot loader.
@MrSam2497
@MrSam2497 Жыл бұрын
If Fairphone was made like normal phones it would cost something like 400€, you pay for modularity which pays itself back if you happen to drop it and crack the screen or camera and you can swap the battery without any actual work after few years. Also memory upgrade is much cheaper, i would prefer if the phone itself had low memory GB for cheaper price so i can invest it to high memory SD card which are way cheaper than phones own memory.
@MNHS16
@MNHS16 Жыл бұрын
I really want to buy this, but I'm unsure about how it'll perform for me. I'm used to high end phones and switch after mostly 2 years. However, I'm very ashamed of my behaviour and wish to keep a phone that I want to keep for a long time.
@ListenToPumpkinMusic
@ListenToPumpkinMusic Жыл бұрын
Keep your high end phone. Most have long term support well past 2 years now, and that can be stretched even further with custom software. I'm still using the Galaxy Note 9 from 2018, running Android 13 flawlessly.
@great_live_music
@great_live_music Жыл бұрын
You can just not buy the last one but the previous generation second hand, keep it as much as you want and then sell it and rebuy another second hand. Even if this is not perfect, it is better to buy a new phone when it's out, with all the problems that it can have. That will be a way more educated buy, at a smaller price, and not new which has a lesser impact than buying new.
@vrzn
@vrzn Жыл бұрын
Get one when your current phone really dies
@theophiled
@theophiled Жыл бұрын
I managed to keep my samsung a5 2016 for 6 years, the only reason why I bought a fairphone 4 is because the screen was begining to flicker for no reason, and the photo focus stopped working. Keep your previous phone for as long as possible, it's the best sustainable choice you can make :) That being said, if you still want to buy a new phone, feel free to ask any question you want about the fairphone 4 and I'll answer them as best as I can
@IN-pr3lw
@IN-pr3lw Жыл бұрын
​@Pumpkin Music Eh the note 9 is alright in 2023 but things like battery life is not as great compared to newer phones like the new notes
@sajanator3
@sajanator3 Жыл бұрын
For me the lack of headphone jack was a dealbreaker. Especially a phone that’s marketing itself as sustainable. I ended up buying a used unihertz jelly 2 from CEX.
@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat
@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat Жыл бұрын
There is an type-C adaptor for the headphone jack btw and that phone looks very pratical, thanks for the info 0.0
@Excalidrake
@Excalidrake Жыл бұрын
@@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat this is the problem with dongles(adaptors) they are clunky, easy to loose, and have a higher tendency to break, than if they just put a darn headphone jack in it. on top of that a good dongle i'snt free for a phone of this price its dumb that I would have to buy a dongle
@IgorPetruk1989
@IgorPetruk1989 Жыл бұрын
I just went with some Bluetooth dongles like Fiio btr3k/btr5 or Qudelix. In the "audophile" community (to which I belong) the issue with Bluetooth is considered a less of a problem than having a very very bad DAC in a dongle or in the phone itself. Waaay better.
@Numinon
@Numinon Жыл бұрын
@@Excalidrake Man those adaptors were some garbage. I had to replace mine 4 times not because I lost them but because they broke within weeks, to the last.
@DoubleU555
@DoubleU555 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, you have a modular, repairable phone, and you still complain about lack of headphone jack, which has nothing to do with sustainability? And yes, you can buy wireless earbuds with removable batteries.
@rosiejones6692
@rosiejones6692 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest review. I have the same camera issue with my Fairphone 3 and am trying to research to see if it's worth getting the Fairphone 4. The camera and microphone are too poor. My standards aren't that high - I mean that I've found at times that the camera and mic are actually unusable. The camera struggles to focus on everyday objects like notes for my degree, or most places where the lighting isn't great or there's any kind of distance between an object in the foreground and the background. It just doesn't focus and I only get a half decent photo if I spend a good three minutes focusing the camera. The microphone is also poor - I take a lot of voice memos but every time I try the audio comes back warped so that I actually cannot understand what I'm saying. I've stopped using the Fairphone for voice memos and instead have to use my laptop. Just quite inconvenient. I went to a Dua Lipa concert and when I rewatched all my videos, they were all blurry because of the lights, and the audio warped every time there was a heavy bass note (every two seconds - it's Dua Lipa). So they were all unusable too. I just cannot compromise on camera quality anymore. I didn't realise how important it was to me until it was taken away. Even my last phone, an iPhone 5S, did better! Might have to get a more recent second-hand iPhone instead. It is a real shame though and im going to keep track of the Fairphone as it improves so one day I cab get one with a half decent camera!
@rayoflight62
@rayoflight62 Жыл бұрын
The lack of the headphone port stopped me from actually buying a couple of them. I don't mind the aesthetic of a phone, so the Fairphone is heavy and doesn't affect my choice. But the headphone port and the lack of wireless charging are deal breakers. I hope the next version has the jack and the charging coil...
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas Жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone shares my frustration about the lack of headphone port. On a super slim Samsung sure. But on something like this, it makes no sense.
@Ramotttholl
@Ramotttholl Жыл бұрын
If you told me about this phone last year no Headphone jack would still be a deal breaker for me. but currently the main issue for me might be either the battery life ( though considering its a 1080 screen it might not be so bad) and the other issue might be software. although /e/os did optimize for this phone.
@im_youknow_marty
@im_youknow_marty Жыл бұрын
thanks for the honest review! i am thinking about getting it. i had the fairphone 3 (i think) and i wasn't impressed.. it had the same issues you've pointed out here, camera was shit, it was laggy sometimes and plus it was very bulky and not very pretty hahaha but i love the idea behind it and i thought to myself, if i keep buying their phines, eventually the will get up to speed. so yeah maybe i'll give the fairphone another go
@handlemonium
@handlemonium Жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for the Fairphone 5 because the 4 lacks an OLED display, the midrange CPU & battery capacity is on the lower end, and the internal modules could be open source like Framework. I'd actually prefer a single great camera and use that extra space for a larger battery or a headphone jack. And yeah the cameras could be better tuned as well as the speakers (case-in-point: the mono on my Moto Z4 sounds louder and fuller than the dual on my LG V50). Honestly if it covers the basics -- upper midrange performance, battery life, good speakers, camera with good image processing -- I'll use it for 4-6 years for the ease of repairability.
@maxand_
@maxand_ 11 ай бұрын
I own a FP4 actually... It's in the companies repair shop rn, because the nfc doesnt work. Two of the microphones dont work and I get ghost touches that are out of this world. I hope they can fix these issues with mine. But what you said about the camera is so true... Especially when filming videos (for me its mostly concerts) the autofocus is so terribly bad and cant handle any sort of "special" light situation... To sum it up: I love what the Fairphone wants to be, but I hate what it actually is.
@SumRndmPenguin
@SumRndmPenguin Жыл бұрын
For me all they need to do with the fairphone 5 is improve the screen, improve the performance, and make it more usable in the USA (I've heard people losing signal in subway lines and buildings here). If they can do that I'll buy it. I've been trying to put my money where my mouth is more and more and a good step would be having a phone I could use for longer without issues.
@UPPERKEES
@UPPERKEES Жыл бұрын
It's on their FAQ page why it doesn't have a headphone jack... It's more sustainable to go for just one port that can be used for many things and is easier to replace and make water and dust proof.
@2the431
@2the431 Жыл бұрын
Why would I get a phone without an audio jack
@Chris3s
@Chris3s Жыл бұрын
Hope there will be a mini version, below 5,9" and 150g and then I would buy it
@cultist7931
@cultist7931 Жыл бұрын
I prefer smaller phones too + if they would put a headphone 3.5 mm jack.
@DAK4875
@DAK4875 Жыл бұрын
Are you going to be doing something for your 10 year anniversary on June 23 2023? I think It would be a great video to see you history on KZbin. : ) 🇨🇦
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a earphone port breakage would be too difficult to fix by the consumer and would require it to be sent off, which defeats the purpose.
@liukang85
@liukang85 11 ай бұрын
hmm good point
@Comm0ut
@Comm0ut 8 ай бұрын
What technical reason would make that difficult?
@bradley4706
@bradley4706 8 ай бұрын
@@Comm0ut don’t know, just theorising. I don’t know how the FairPhone is built.
@zhvn89
@zhvn89 Жыл бұрын
The main downside and dealbraker for me is a front panel design. Screen looks like any of Chinese brands from cheap segment. I could live without 3.5 jack. I use wireless headphones and I don't care. But screen should be at least more symmetrical. And I don't like that camera cutout. It could be an iphone-like notch. But not that. And a backlight is not consistent. You could see that screen darker at the very top edge. That phone could be more expensive. With that long lifespan and interchangeable parts you expect decent hardware. At least screen.
@davidvandewater1402
@davidvandewater1402 11 ай бұрын
The camera isnt bad. Its very good. With the lightroom camera app you can make very good photos. RAW is great. Video is also superb. A lot of options to choose. Also different log modes. I love the Fairfone 4 with /e/os! If you care about privacy than buy this phone.
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas 11 ай бұрын
Can I please have a bit of what you're smoking, mate?
@juriscervenaks8953
@juriscervenaks8953 11 ай бұрын
@@theryanthomas When you haven't seen better photo quality, then you don't know what you are missing. Same with monitor quality, speed. I have 1080p 60Hz, and i don't complain, because i haven't seen 4K 120Hz.
@thisismyuniquestory
@thisismyuniquestory 10 ай бұрын
I've had cellphones since 1993. Thirty years, probably twenty phones and nothing was constructed as well as the Fairphone 4. When previous phones locked up and with a removable battery life phpne could be powered down by removing the battery. Plus, the back could be removed as it wasn't stuck together to give it a higher IP rating. My second and third smartphone after my Note 4 which failed because the software required to be reloaded. At a time my town of Bournemouth on the South Coy of the UK who amazingly had an actual Samsung shop. My main reason for buying a Samsung phone was to have that degree of local support knowing how rare these shops are and in a town of 450,000 not a city of millions. Smartphone 2 and 3, a Motorola and ZTE, they both locked up with a few days of the end of the 12 months guarantee. My definition of Locked Up was it wasn't possible to perform a Factory Reset and powering down was a sensible option Switch It On And Off Again! Bought from Argos in the UK, i could get an immediate refund because removing the batety and rebooting wasn't a vague option. If it was our of guarantee i would have opened up the phone and disconnected the battery. The European Union should insist on all phones are constructed with such features as they did with making Cookies to give the user the option to remove all the marketing dross, bloatware dumped. That still requires an engineering talent to overcome the hurdles and wastes hours each and every month.
@JJMMWGDuPree
@JJMMWGDuPree 11 ай бұрын
I have cameras to take photos with and a media-payer and Minidisc for listening and recording stuff so maybe my tolerances are different. I have a seven and a half year old FP2, the Android updates have just finished, but the Linux community are still doing a perfectly good job with it so all in all I can't see myself swapping, even to an updated FP. I think that might be Fairphone's Achilles heel. If their old phones keep on working no one's going to buy a new one (Clarke's shoes discovered that when they brought out the Nature Trek. Never heard of it? There's a reason for that...).
@zweiwing4435
@zweiwing4435 Жыл бұрын
I wish FairPhone allow sell as globally and allow to use any provider. FairPhone show make similar as Flagship phone as Samsung Galaxy Note 22.
@askilposselt8723
@askilposselt8723 11 ай бұрын
anyone know how long one of these can last with the repairs? can i use it past the 5 year warranty with minimal repairs? Is it cheaper in the long run?
@JJMMWGDuPree
@JJMMWGDuPree 11 ай бұрын
I've had my FP 7 and a half years and only had to replace a broken back so far, and given that I dropped it down two flights of stairs twice, I think I can forgive them for that.
@Siranoxz
@Siranoxz Жыл бұрын
Fairphone needs to find its sweet spot, in the hardware self repair and the user experience, and the software experience and hire people that can maintain it. And sell the phone with a fair price and the fairphone can take off on a mass scale. The fact that Fairphone is still releasing their phones and solving problems is really commendable until they become actually competitive in the smartphone market but a different kind of competition.
@thisismyuniquestory
@thisismyuniquestory 10 ай бұрын
Fairphone is up against it not being in a strong financial position to buy the latest and best processors as I've understood the position l of the major opposition. It's a sorry disadvantage for Fairphone that hey have the courage their convictions to produce a sustainable, repairable product and give it a five year warranty as back up. The millions of cell phones sold every hour, just a guess on quantities by the combined production of Samsung, Apple, ZTE, Motorola as just some of the biggest players and sustainability couldn't be further from their business plan. The unique construction of my Fairphone to produce a beautifully engineered product that is screwed as sub-assemblies is beautiful. Everything eel positioned and constructed with a suitable sized battery. A credit to the manufacturing and intelligence of the whole operation. 8:24
@Bootlickersticker
@Bootlickersticker 10 ай бұрын
If they made a smaller mini version with still removable battery then I would definitely buy.
@elm4r2
@elm4r2 5 ай бұрын
Shadowing? I have noticed it, and forgot all about it. It's dumb to notice things like that. It's a phone! I look at my bird if I am looking for beauty, not a device!!! Those pics were fine, your face does look like that :)
@Michael12111983
@Michael12111983 Жыл бұрын
Only reason what keeps me from buying it is the missing audio jack
@neurodivergent4life
@neurodivergent4life Жыл бұрын
Well, it's never gonna be perfect and there's easy workaround for the missing jack - get an adapter.
@sb3424
@sb3424 Жыл бұрын
I really want this... But they don't support u.s. frequency bands
@user-jv9xb5wz5c
@user-jv9xb5wz5c Жыл бұрын
Software Support and Mid Tier Hardware and the Decision of removing the Headphone Jack are a Dealbreaker if Software would be supportet for 5 Years at least.
@Alpha8713
@Alpha8713 7 ай бұрын
I looked at this, but passed on it. It isn't officially available in the US. The headphone jack thing is a big deal for me. I don't care about cameras (I have a regular camera for pictures). I also don't care about aesthetics. I ended up with the Samsung Xcover 6, which is IP68 rated, has a removable battery and headphone jack, and appears to be generally repairable (though parts availability is a problem).
@erick-gd7wo
@erick-gd7wo 11 ай бұрын
In the country I live, we care about the official dealership to ensure the service centre is settled down to help with the problems with the handset. Chinese brands has aggressively set up so many service centres everywhere so that a new brand launching here will be viewed upon how to get the phone repaired. As much as I am interested to the brand, I will always buy a phone where I can buy it *officially* I use Samsung A22 5G as 2ndary phone. The camera Hardware is good for the price I paid, but same like you, only to get let down by a half baked camera software. I find my solution using HedgeCam2 and Lightroom to get better pictures and RAWS too.
@saigancat
@saigancat 8 ай бұрын
I didn't buy one because a Mint rep told me it wouldn't work on their network.
@rdhr3610
@rdhr3610 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to buy F4, but I need it to be an upgrade from F3+ camera, so now I'm not sure it will be. I asked Fairphone about this and even they didn't sound convincing I will see a big difference. I also asked if the rumor about F5 coming out soon is true but they said any information on releases is a secret. One thing I first hated about F3+ was the speaker on the bottom left, which Is actually something I now love, because it's brilliant for controlling the sound when something gets too loud, like pop-up ads and stuff. So I'm a bit disappointed that F4 has buttons and speaker placed differently...
@theophiled
@theophiled Жыл бұрын
I dont have the F3+ so I can't compare but the photo quality is very good in good lighting, okay-ish in low light situation, the speakers are great but the mics are meh - good enough to make a call but not to record yourself for a vlog.
@juriscervenaks8953
@juriscervenaks8953 11 ай бұрын
@rdhr3610 Rumors was true, Fairphone 5 come out week ago, in case you missed it.
@shyam163
@shyam163 Жыл бұрын
Im from India and this makes no sense , I usually buy xiaomi phones , they have an online spare part list with prices and everything and the prices are usually very cheap. replacement oled displays with bezel is 3,700rs 45 usd (newer phones like redmi note 5) , they have repair shops every where . I bought my k20 pro when it was launched in 2019,it was 27,000rs (320 usd ) , I dropped it many times, broke screen few times (screen was about 90$) , i repaired it many times its still working quite fine and it is after 4 years it is still much faster than this phone and has oled screen and a headphone jack . I will be getting a new battery now for 500rs (6$ ,5000mah)and ill continue using it . If manufacturers can do that here in poor countries where they have to , as people wouldn't buy them otherwise , why cant developed countries make laws or something to make them do so . I think reasonably priced spares and good repair centers are something that is absolutely necessary and others shouldnt be allowed to sell without it .
@herald1953
@herald1953 Жыл бұрын
honestly fp2 is the best designed, with that transparent case
@garfreld
@garfreld 9 ай бұрын
The reason that no one is buying it is because its 500$ for 2016 specs, i could just buy 2 second hand phones that are more powerful instead of replacing the battery.
@emm_arr
@emm_arr Жыл бұрын
I've had mine for a few weeks. All good apart from Android 12, which I am not impressed by.
@robsshedoftech6457
@robsshedoftech6457 Жыл бұрын
They do support DisplayPort over USB-C - I do wish they'd implement a desktop mode, although you can enable the Android one to turn it into a desktop computer and even a laptop - this video shows you how: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naewq3yJhJ2DaJo
@dr.donnawalter4380
@dr.donnawalter4380 Жыл бұрын
@Ryan-Thomas - imo, however humble, I would think if truly sustainable, the phone would have a headphone jack - at least be able to compare with the offerings of the LG V60 where it will have the basics to hang around for a spot of time. When the LG V60 first released it was a BOGO and ~500$ US each. (It was sad to see the LG close their phone department.) Well done video on pro and con of this Fairphone 4. Thank you.
@doomnationalist
@doomnationalist 10 ай бұрын
I would buy this phone if they sold it outside of Europe
@The_Makers_Prerogative
@The_Makers_Prerogative Жыл бұрын
When I first heard 450 pound phone I was caught off guard for a moment thinking he meant weight
@RafalBorowski
@RafalBorowski Жыл бұрын
I'm not buying one because of the screen. When they have a new one with AMOLED, 90/120 Hz (smaller bezels would be nice but not a dealbreaker) I will be snatching one ASAP. Till then - No
@ruth3082
@ruth3082 Жыл бұрын
Exactly my point.
@LTT.Official
@LTT.Official Жыл бұрын
Reason why I didn't get one....price to get it in the US.
@ZainabCyclewala-xd2du
@ZainabCyclewala-xd2du 11 ай бұрын
hardware sustainability is only half of the story. lets say you plan to use this phone for 6 years and the OS becomes super laggy after 3 years would you really use it for 3 more years? Google play services keeps getting more and more resource hungry and i am not sure at what state it would be at after 5 years.
@Rorensuwl8
@Rorensuwl8 11 ай бұрын
It has a good enough SoC
@nameruse1817
@nameruse1817 Жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for the fairphone 5 to come out.
@randommusings48
@randommusings48 Жыл бұрын
Is it coming out soon? I was gonna get the FP4 until I saw your comment
@MrNagano00
@MrNagano00 Жыл бұрын
@@randommusings48 Not for a few years I would say.
@neurodivergent4life
@neurodivergent4life Жыл бұрын
@@MrNagano00 Why do you think that, any sources or references?
@MrNagano00
@MrNagano00 Жыл бұрын
@@neurodivergent4life Because they said they were looking at long release cycles
@SkepticalCaveman
@SkepticalCaveman 10 ай бұрын
Fairphone 5 is out now.
@thestupidwolf7438
@thestupidwolf7438 Жыл бұрын
I would say nobody is buying it because it's not a particularly good phone, it's not very well marketed and advertised. The sustainability alone is not enough to make it compelling. When you look at the competition, a modern flagship or even a good upper mid range phone could easily last you 5/6+ years
@olive8604
@olive8604 Жыл бұрын
You say you're willing to make compromises for a more sustainable phone, but it doesn't really sound like it. You dunked on it pretty hard. That said, I do appreciate the honest review. I do think they could do better, especially looking at how well Framework is doing with their highly repairable and upgradeable laptops that are also just really good laptops besides, while also being competitively priced. So there doesn't *have* to be a compromise between sustainability and quality if we're smart about it, and it's fair to point that out. I just think it's a bit odd to say that you're willing to compromise but then refuse to compromise. It's fine if it's not for you, but there *is* a market out there for people who want a repairable and sustainable phone more than they want the latest and greatest features, and it would have been nice to see a review from that perspective rather than this defeatist attitude of "no one is going to care about this stuff if the UX isn't on par with non-sustainable phones." Again, I do think these products could be better, but I also think we could do better to point out their strengths as well as their weaknesses. After all, the poor repairability and recklessly disposable design of many consumer electronics sold today is rarely held against them in product reviews. And that's not really fair, is it? (Sorry if this came off as ranty, that wasn't really my intent. I also haven't seen any of your other videos, so for all I know maybe you *do* knock other phones for being less repairable. In that case, disregard the later half of my comment. Cheers.)
@phoenixtoliman1881
@phoenixtoliman1881 Жыл бұрын
You make great points, especially pointing out the failure of smart phone that dont state their environmental impact, which doesn't care about any life.
@derealratos6332
@derealratos6332 Жыл бұрын
I just wanted a phone that is MINE and fairphone make me feel like I actually own it, and I haven't bought one yet!
@shabadooshabadoo4918
@shabadooshabadoo4918 10 ай бұрын
If your gonna make a phone that can easily be repaired then you might as well go balls to the wall and include options for the best parts, best screen, best everything since you won't really be throwing it out if it breaks, you just fix it.
@oneTOU3
@oneTOU3 11 ай бұрын
Because it's not available in the US
@thisismyuniquestory
@thisismyuniquestory 10 ай бұрын
Fairphone is up against it not being in a strong financial position to buy the latest and best processors as I've understood the position l of the major opposition. It's a sorry disadvantage for Fairphone that hey have the courage their convictions to produce a sustainable, repairable product and give it a five year warranty as back up. The millions of cell phones sold every hour, just a guess on quantities by the combined production of Samsung, Apple, ZTE, Motorola as just some of the biggest players and sustainability couldn't be further from their business plan. The unique construction of my Fairphone to produce a beautifully engineered product that is screwed as sub-assemblies is beautiful. Everything eel positioned and constructed with a suitable sized battery. A credit to the manufacturing and intelligence of the whole operation.
@macjim
@macjim Жыл бұрын
It has three camera lenses, not two
@Rolfthewild
@Rolfthewild 11 ай бұрын
Needs to come to America and be available for more carriers.
@pipapo3030
@pipapo3030 11 ай бұрын
I have the Fairphone 4 and it's still going strong :)
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas 11 ай бұрын
I guess that's what it's designed for!
@gnshp8167
@gnshp8167 Жыл бұрын
If the phone would at least be decent i would probably invest in something like that because it's easy to replace the battery, which most of the time is the first thing that breaks on my phone.
@ranasuka6006
@ranasuka6006 Жыл бұрын
The only regression it has towards my current phone is the LCD screen and maybe the weight. I can deal with the weight, my current one is rather heavy too. But I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of OLED. I have no idea if they're gonna release a new Fairphone 5 anytime soon but if they do I hope that my current phone survives until then. But I'm heavily thinking about buying the Fairphone 4 if I have to buy a new one sooner. The good thing is if you use your phone as long as possible the new one will definitely feel like an upgrade, no matter the specs ;p
@keyner8487
@keyner8487 8 ай бұрын
I'm using a phone since 2019 and I cannot find a phone that would impress me. I just wish this one wouldn't crack and I would use it for one more year minimum
@lilmoris1
@lilmoris1 Жыл бұрын
It is being bought, mostly in Europe but it is coming to the US
@AninoNiKugi
@AninoNiKugi Ай бұрын
Sadly, niche products like this from small companies will never be a viable option for most people. They will always be behind in terms of hardware and software especially pricing. Components and labor are more expensive at low volume and add to that that Fairphone tries to be "fair" as much as possible which would add more to the costs. As for the camera, phone cameras are mostly software and it'll be hard for smaller companies to achieve good results. I wish there are good open source camera software they can utilize. I don't think any of these niche phones have good camera 😄 In any case, I'm happily using my Fairphone 4 running Ubuntu Touch 😁
@contort69
@contort69 Жыл бұрын
As I type this on my Fairphone 4 I first have to say You are right and you are wrong. Shadow effect on IPS? I don't see nor care about that.. The screen is just fine for me. I owned Pixel 3 and 4.. Never again...I love the removeable battery hello!!! 5 year HW + SW support!! Give it to me!.. How many Pixel phones will I need to buy in 5 years?? NONE! Feels slow??..it never does to me I don't play games ON A PHONE. yes the camera sucks and no headphone Jack. Still don't care for that I bought this so I can give the earth a break for 5 years and do other things with my money than buy yet another phone. Enough is enough.. Go buy a FP4
@c.galanza3939
@c.galanza3939 Жыл бұрын
Because it's not available in many places
@BozQ
@BozQ Жыл бұрын
Fairphone 4 never made it to my region. So it's very hard to justify paying that price to import this phone. And then pay again to get individual parts if I need it. When I can get the Pixel 6A now, get full software support, and better in almost every department and if anything breaks, I can still get it repaired at reasonable cost. Omitting the headphone jack is a very odd decision.
@zioqqr4262
@zioqqr4262 Жыл бұрын
headphone jacks arent necessary realistically. you can get a usbc adapter for the aux port, and i feel like the cost of not being able to have wired music while charging is worth the unnecessary aux port
@theophiled
@theophiled Жыл бұрын
Very good points, however the fairphone 4 still has a pro in that you get 6 years of OS updates, so that's nice
@thisismyuniquestory
@thisismyuniquestory 10 ай бұрын
I just had to buy a Fairphone 4 and with 256 Gb of memory. All the other phones apart from one ZenFone which had 128 Gb if not 256 was usable in every sense. Adding an SD card was a battle for this engineer to get the phone to use the extra memory. Too many phones didn't want to backups to their own Cloud with 1 Tb of storage. I really want relatively simple and realise 95% of customers don't have my skills. As I m retired that's 99.9% of customers are losers the moment they buy their next phone.
@pulaktrivedi9743
@pulaktrivedi9743 Жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan, your mentality is very different from other people. And that's a good thing. Keep it up bro, we need a different point of view from someone.
@zooc8202
@zooc8202 6 ай бұрын
It's sad how people care more about consumerism and trends than not supporting corporations that exploit nature and poor children.
@User24x
@User24x Жыл бұрын
No headphone jack, no sale.
@HerrSnooze
@HerrSnooze Жыл бұрын
I do get why people call this phobe expensive comperad to the specs. But unlike other phones this one comes with a 5 year warrenty and with longterm support. The cost of ownership is thus lower
@glenng8787
@glenng8787 Жыл бұрын
👍
@mokisan
@mokisan Жыл бұрын
No iem reviews Thomas?
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas Жыл бұрын
1 more coming to this channel. Then it’ll be moved to another channel
@josephyap1007
@josephyap1007 11 ай бұрын
Honestly overprice under spec 5 years warrantly useless 10 year update I don't know how long this company can be last
@donniethesportsguy893
@donniethesportsguy893 Жыл бұрын
Well. I never heard of them. Thats why LOL
@NehemYah810
@NehemYah810 Жыл бұрын
I’ll keep it 100 after seeing the bezels and water drop notch. A lot of people(at least in the US)who buy a phone like that are looking for something short term. I would buy a phone like that for a few months until I could afford a nice one 😂 it seems more like the type of phone you’re a little rough with cause you know if it breaks it’s okay cause you were ready for an upgrade 😂😬
@johnadams9314
@johnadams9314 11 ай бұрын
This is exactly why the world has so much e-waste
@Tantive
@Tantive Жыл бұрын
I don't know. Watching this on a Fairphone.
@nodoakdozeer1339
@nodoakdozeer1339 Жыл бұрын
We aren't buying it because we can't readily buy & get support for it in the US...
@davidsmisc1351
@davidsmisc1351 Жыл бұрын
It’s not really fair to moan about any weight or heft. Other brands make their phones small by making them hard or impossible to fix.
@theryanthomas
@theryanthomas Жыл бұрын
That's your opinion and I get where you're coming from. I think it's totally fair to judge it's heft because it's in your pocket all day.
@ListenToPumpkinMusic
@ListenToPumpkinMusic Жыл бұрын
I don't think you understand why Fairphones are made this way. It's certainly nothing to do with "cutting corners" as you suggest in the video. Fairphones are relatively low spec because the parts that those phones are made from (like the generic 1080p IPS panel with a notch) are mass produced for countless other phones and can therefore be supported long-term. The high end of smartphones evolves much faster than the mid and low end, and so high end parts are discontinued much quicker. Fairphone wouldn't be able to deliver their repair and support promises if they tried to occupy a space in the high end market. As an aside, this is also why they removed the headphone jack from their phone since it's a part that has become increasingly rare in the smartphone industry.
@HoneyFighter_BCW
@HoneyFighter_BCW Жыл бұрын
it feels cheap, has budget specs and looks like a 2020 150 Euro phone. Sustainability is nice, but im not paying so much for budget specs and design
@orionarclight
@orionarclight Жыл бұрын
Repairbilty is cool and all.... Nothing else is good on that thing... Not even the price
@michaelpope3950
@michaelpope3950 Жыл бұрын
could you complain more
@8_x_9.
@8_x_9. 8 ай бұрын
YOU HAVE MISSED THE MAIN POINTS ABOUT THIS PHONE.GET AN OLD FLIP PHONE 😢. 👎👎
@DrunkASMR
@DrunkASMR Жыл бұрын
2 years from now, the iphone 12 (nearly 3 years old) will still be relevant and usable. The fairphone 4 is mid range now, and will be unsupported and a potato in 2 years.
@govardhanposina17
@govardhanposina17 Жыл бұрын
Average iPhone Fan
@NehemYah810
@NehemYah810 Жыл бұрын
@@govardhanposina17It’s the truth though lol. I think a lot of people are being forced to be more mindful of the money they spend on their phone and they wanna validate that purchase somewhere perfectly between budget and relevance and an iPhone 12 fits the bill. This does not.
@AhmedIbrahim_
@AhmedIbrahim_ Жыл бұрын
@@govardhanposina17 Agree
@govardhanposina17
@govardhanposina17 Жыл бұрын
@@NehemYah810 I'm just saying an iPhone 12 ain't the only device that justicies it's current price point, pretending like it's the only legit option is definitely something an apple fan would do
@tidjane2001
@tidjane2001 Жыл бұрын
@@govardhanposina17 I think it was just an example
@KayumangeBrown
@KayumangeBrown Жыл бұрын
Because it looks ugly.. outdated. My personal thoughts.
@segoiii
@segoiii Жыл бұрын
if you wanna be different, you shouldn´t follow the same crappy trends than any other manufacturer and furthermore offer not enough for the money. I mean ... those huge bezels and IPS screen for over 600 $ ? Come on. The fucking Redmi Note 12 for 150$ has an Amoled screen. Then no headphone jack. WHY ? This phone is a joke and obviously just wants to make money out of the "fairness" sticker. Why having a replacable battery when it lacks capacity ? My Redmi Note 4 had 3300mAh left from 4100mAh new after 4.5 years. So with the 5000mAh batteries from Samsung, Xiaomi and so on, you will have more capacity after 5 years than a new fairphone battery. Replacable battery was nice 10 years ago. Today batteries fail when the rest of the phone is also end of life. So it makes no sense to replace them. It´s a dead horse they are riding. If you could keep the phone for 10 years, then maybe replacing the battery would be useful. But such a phone would need a very fast processor, very long software support, very much ram and big internal memory. Everything would have to be maxed out to be usable after such a long time. You see where this is going.
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