Why is the 454 HP BMW M4 CS $112,000?

[@IceDree]

Holy crap that's M5 money! They've lost their marbles. Its a lot of money for an M4, ridiculous. A lot of Alcantara too, maybe a bit too much for a daily driver. The new X6 M50i or a V8 Range Rover would be my first & second choices ... An M5 would be the third. Good God man, that's a lot of money for an M4! As always, excellent work, M.

[@danilorodriguez4665]

For daily use a regular M4, if track is on my mind a M4 CS, none of the mentioned cars has carbon roof and/or carbon ceramic brakes, carbon fiber everywhere is expensive, also carbon roof helps reducing center of gravity which helps on track

[@terrilltucker6998]

I think I would drop down to the M2 and grab an Indian Chieftain motorcycle

[@MotoManTV]

I admire ingenuity of this plan.

[@TKPorsche]

Skip that BMW in favor of a new Porsche 911 Carrera S. Starting price $113K. Too much, you say, what about all the options? Then drop down to the base Carrera for $97K, still better than ANY BMW. My world view from SoCal USA.

[@hwyfools]

113k but can you live with the stripper model. Hard to keep it under 125k. Yes on the 911 and the natural evolution from a M car, but prepare to pony up the wallet. IMO the non CS Comp package F82 is the winner and when funds are in order 911.

[@tpphan665]

TKPorsche EXACTLY. Now if this is around $75k ?? MAYBE I think about it. Porsche all the way. I would get s Certified 911 4S TARGA 997.2 .

[@xmodMAN76]

Yeah base carrera with a tune would whip this cars ass all day.

[@azel6]

112k we can buy 2 C8 corvette

[@MBisFrenchy]

At this price point I'm getting a Panamera 4S if sticking to this MSRP.

[@Bststv]

There are two options, not one which is executive pkg. the car you filed does not have executive pkg without head up display and adaptive headlight

[@dst977]

In USA I’d take the CS.

[@brunodudo85]

718 Cayman GT4. Because if you want to compromise to have a toy car, the GT4 is better. I am from Canada, I have a M2 in my garage, but I am getting a GT4 next year. 😁

[@cywoods60]

you are funny as F%$#. love your reviews. Love the #optionsGame

[@CarsOverPeople]

What in gods name were they thinking when they made those interior door panels? That is absolutely absurd in a car this expensive. They should've either kept it leather or done exposed carbon fiber like in the Lambo Gallardo Superleggera

[@jeffclark8925]

I realize I am late to this party, but would like to throw my thoughts in. I have some time behind the wheel of the M4 CS and I really enjoyed the car. Then several things occurred to me. 1) it is a fun car to drive 2) but not as a daily driver 3) as a Sunday Cars & Coffee vehicle, it is perfect 4) silly money that in no way can justify the price (my local dealer has called me twice to check my interest in it) 5) the AMG C63 S coupe is a much better option, easily 30k cheaper, fast, comfortable and it looks great 6) I live in the north east. Good review, Semper Fidelis

[@ronin120]

I agree with you about the C63s but was curious why would this not be a good daily driver as compared to the base or comp M4? Is it just that much more of a stiffer ride?

[@rocksteady9225]

Before I even watch this video I can answer the question the title poses. "Because BMW can and people with more money than brains will buy/lease it."

[@carpediem5952]

5:38 Portuguese Bend's problems are landslides (erosion), not earthquakes.

[@macstone9719]

911. Doesn´t matter which one if it fits the price range. I am German and Porsche is Porsche. But the BMW CS is a collectors car from the start, so they are hard to compare.

[@MotoManTV]

You are not wrong.

[@wisruteb]

For similar money here in Thailand, I'd get the 718 Cayman GT4 in a heartbeat!

[@MBisFrenchy]

Low mile 2017 DB11 V12 Coupes are literally almost 50% off MSRP. So lots of option around this price point at MSRP though these don't sell AT MSRP currently. Yes I know you said new but just putting this out there.

[@MotoManTV]

Aaaaaaaaannnndddd this is why I limited the discussion to new only. As a confirmed cheap skate and hater of depreciation . . . I personally always go used for the overall positive impact on one's long term net worth. However, deals like the one you referenced are crazy good. McLarens also depreciate like stones. My only concern for both, is the cost of keeping them on the road . . . Good discussion.

[@joejay2876]

GTR Premium @ $108K (currently offering $14K discount) Area: Central Coast of CA Why: AWD Why (elaborated): I owned a 2014 GTR FBO/e85 in CO and the AWD system not only saved me a few times but it made it fun to go a little hot into tight corners. Why #2: Tuning potential -- watch an Airstrip Attack event for reference (I know, I know, I'm in Cali and shouldn't be tuning cars) Why #3: Sound and looks -- with an aftermarket pipe and a legendary rear end, the GTR takes the prize, not by a lot, but if I had $120K burning my pocket right now, this is the car I'd go for. And don't get me wrong, I already test drove the M5 and it just lack motor/trany character. I was going to wait for the new 2021 M4/M3 with AWD, but I figured that by the time is out, it'll start at around $130K. Great review btw.

[@MotoManTV]

WOW . . . Thanks for the detailed feedback . . .

[@stevemartegani]

Ya, im with the rest of these guys... GT4 or a well optioned 911 for $112k. NO WAY would I consider an M4 for that much money.

[@moneyparhar]

Me neither

[@willdebeljak7062]

I don't think anyone did. Looks like dealers dropped major discounts to around the 90k+ area.

[@porscheguy09]

I really hope that big huge grill on the concept doesn’t make it to production. BMW is getting out of control with it’s grill sizes. So are many other manufacturers like Lexus and Audi.

[@Kystifyable]

I'm with most of the guys here 911S/T for me, if I needed a trunk I'd get an M2. I don't think there's anything you can do to the F80 to make it worth double the base MSRP. Views from Metro Detroit.

[@olivergrizzly6346]

2020 Porsche Boxster Spyder (Roadster version of Cayman GT4).

[@a-tg-c1024]

Motoman, I would purchase a Carrera T in manual or a 718 GT4 for 113k. My credentials: currently drive a 2019 M5 Competition! Previous vehicles include: 1986 944, 2006 Carrera S, 2012 Carrera S, 2008 M3-all manual. 2018 S5, 2018 M550i that sadly died 7 months after purchase (led to M5) .

[@craigkaplan3908]

A-T/ G-C what happened to the M550i?

[@6SpeedTA95]

For $112,000? I'd get a CPO SQ5 for hauling the kids, bike, dog etc, and use my remaining $60,000-$70,000 to buy an M2 Competition or Porsche Cayman (CPO) or 911 Carrera (used). Absurd money for an M4.

[@YTMichaelFromTexas]

At $112k? I know it's a completely different TYPE of car, but I'd get a Porsche Panamera SportTourismo 4S with a FEW options. Why? I think it would "look" more rare than the M4 AND I think it's a better looking vehicle. Region? U. S. of A.

[@MBisFrenchy]

Well they can be had 30K+ off new so looks like the market is correcting for the price. If you negotiate.

[@phillm156]

C8 all the way, with 50k left for track days!

[@forrestsautoreviewsofficial]

Phill M156 That will mean you bought a pretty base model Vette. I don’t doubt that a well equipped Z51 Vette will go for close to $80k after dealer mark-up and taxes. Still a phenomenal deal for the money! However, this $60,000 Corvette everyone brags about will be a unicorn or very plain looking. NOBODY wants a plain looking Corvette, NOBODY.

[@DinanEX]

Do you think the M4 GTS is the better option when they're selling for $75-90k with

[@MotoManTV]

Gotta drive one and then would come back to you.

[@williamk1800]

For that money, I'm getting a Boxster Spyder and dailying something cheap and used.

[@abarlas100]

Staying in the BMW lineup I would rather have the F90 M5 Comp. Now it comes with AWD, so here in the Mid West US, just put on some winter tires and I can drive it all year around. It’s got the exact same passenger room and cargo capacity as the regular 5, which is perfect for me. It’s understated, and a complete animal when you want it to be. Absolutely love it.

[@MotoManTV]

GREAT car . . . but a different kettle of fish from the M2 and M4.

[@yg78t76t7]

You can put winter tires on a RWD drive too...people act like AWD will save your life in a crash and it won't. It's skill.

[@mugdays]

For $112k, I would get a Cayman GT4. This M4 would not even be in my top 10 choices

[@jonathanstoddard7712]

Gt4 of course! Calgary alberta Canada.

[@MBisFrenchy]

6:24 ouch that had to hurt.

[@MotoManTV]

Nothing compared to doing the same in this . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHqxemWPbd6ngMU

[@MBisFrenchy]

The new nose you showed is horrendous. Top after market accessories instead of black kidney grills will be nose reduction kits

[@buickboy92]

MotoMan, I would choose either the Lexus GSF in Flare Yellow, or the Lexus LC500/LC500h. Why? Reliability, comfort, style, and 'best-bang-for-buck' compared to any german rival. Also, I am largely tried of the teutonic approach to design. I really love how fresh and aggressive the Asian brands are today, in their pursuit to stand out. I'm from the Northeast U.S. which may or may not limit the number of days I can enjoy these cars, but I won't let that stop me. 👍

[@csi7312]

😂 ...so then buy a ugly ricer car 😂

[@delmonte_mtl1632]

I would get a evora gt or a 718 gt 4 , from Montreal, Canada 🇨🇦

[@snasayed]

From Canada, would not chose this as it's impractical despite being a BMW fan; would chose Either C63 s AMG over this one as it still comes with all the creature comforts or if the budget allows wait for the new X6m to be launched soon.

[@jasonhaynes4461]

Give me a amg first.ask chris harris🤣🤣🤣

[@iLuveKatsup]

M4s are massive. I can't believe it's lighter than an M2.

[@MotoManTV]

Not only did I triple check multiple sites on this fact, but Kumo also called his mole at BMW because we just couldn't believe it as well . . .

[@motherland3967]

Because of carbon fiber all over

[@iLuveKatsup]

@@motherland3967 I was looking at it in the perspective that the M2s should be lighter. But if the M4 had CF all over, why is it so heavy??? (rhetorical) We all know its heavy because it's a modern luxury car not a track car.

[@khunopie9159]

Das ein Wunderbar! Prost!

[@khunopie9159]

PS- I don't speak German, so this is all I got

[@chimaeraSPK]

Jaguar F-Type R Coupe. More power, sounds better, striking good looks, and you don't see that many on the road either. North America.

[@thwangc]

For $110K, I'd wait for the C8 ZR1/Zora and blow that M4 out of the water!

[@BHRxRACER]

damn I'm too early to read any troll comments

[@TheZakk28]

Long Beach- I’d buy a 2020 5.0 V8 Range Rover.

[@carlj4992]

Bought a 17 Comp M3 with 5K for 68K in 17..,then in 18 I tuned it with a Dinan stage 3 along with some other mods. 9K more. Might buy a S2000 for around 25K. I think I’m still below the 112K. My M3 btw has door pockets and is faster than the CS...just sayin.

[@chop3625]

I just unloaded my 2017 ZCP M3 for the 2020 “CS” and got a huge discount. They DON’T drive the same , trust me.

[@justinh2444]

@@chop3625 how much if you don’t mind me asking buying one in a few weeks but want a fat price

[@justinh2444]

Fair price*

[@carfeen]

Im in boston for 112k I’ll get an f90 m5

[@primozkrajcar4144]

I would get one of the Alpina B4 S Biturbo. Rare, fast, beautiful and you can have some options with that car! Some is an understatement with the Alpina! Feast your eyes here: edition99.alpina.de/

[@bernardzwiers1796]

AMG E63 Estate for me

[@MotoManTV]

You had to goto my weak spot, didn't you:)

[@jeffclark8925]

BERNARD ZWIERS Who, in their right mind, can not love the AMG E63 S wagon?? Such a fun vehicle!

[@pride355]

I would prefer 992 in a heart beat..

[@BeanieNinjay0]

This car should weigh 3400lbs minimum. They keep getting larger and heavier though...

[@MotoManTV]

You are being generous . . . Kumo thinks it should 2600 pounds.

[@whal8y]

E63 S ... better than the M5, AWD, and looks more aggressive in a GOOD way... AZ

[@javifabela]

Used Aston Martin

[@moneyparhar]

$112k for 4 series. Smfh

[@zacharyelias7975]

Slightly used M5

[@Tony-hj7bm]

I would buy Audi a8l

[@Kramer649]

for six figures I'd get something more practical like an X6.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

M4 is great but it sounds like ass

[@mugdays]

We get it, you speak German

[@djcoronel]

Okay, so I've listened to you exclaim, "Santa María, Madre de Dios" a dozen or so times now and you have mispronounced "de" every single time. It's pronounced "deh" not "dee".

[@Only-one-life-68]

David Jordi Coronel What’s it mean

[@djcoronel]

@@Only-one-life-68 It means, "Saint Mary, Mother of God".