Why is the Church Never Mentioned After Revelation 4? // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS

[@19nineteenthirteen19]

Christians today are so afraid of persecution. I don't want you be persecuted or endure hardship but that's my chance to really shine for Jesus. What an honor to be able to die for his name.

[@prov2.3-5]

I think this is one of the main prayers for us by our brothers and sisters in persecuted places; that we would face persecution and wake up and shine; to be God's effective Church.

[@MJ-cb8nl]

If you really want to die for the Lord Jesus Christ, all you have to do go on the mission field where Christians are being martyred.

[@floydphillips8052]

It blow you mind the persecution is bad It was September 1 that the lord had me make a sighn that said be ready for the coming of jesus crist and I pray ask God what happen all sudden. The lord told me they open a portal and I think they have opened two portals and this is what I understand is there going open another portal it be the third portal that Is what the holy sprit holding back the opening of the third portal. I think it is we're hell will be released on earth the time is at hand for that to happen the tribulation will begin in March I think something about March I don't really know my opinion is they bring hell on earth the ones who don't believe and this those who believe the agenda of who they are

[@kenlinden9621]

Kinda what happened because a 'false gospel' is being taught/preached...

[@AminaAmina-xq4bb]

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[@gailbrown9096]

The early church endured tribulation and so like the last church will endure tribulation! Lay down our lives, overcomers! Trusting his spirit to his purpose!

[@Neil-no5hv]

WORLDLY TRIBULATION IS NOT GODS WRATH

[@sophie2106]

Tribulation and persecution are an expected part of the Christian walk ands has always been present in the world. The final period of tribulation is Gods judgement on an unbelieving and unrepentant world. We have the Holy Spirit living in us if we are in Christ and it makes no theological sense for Christ to judge Himself.

[@ZUGTFO]

LOVING this series! SO Important now more than ever for the Westernized Chruch!

[@danielmiller2886]

I like the way I heard it once: "I don't think we will be raptured before the tribulation, but I reserve the right to change my mind mid-flight! Plan for the worst and pray for the best."

[@joanbenjamin6345]

To my reading, scripture does not support a pre-7-year r rapture, but a rapture sometime after the abomination of desolation, likely very close to the Lord's ONLY 2nd Coming. If wrong, I'll be cheering on the way up! Maranatha!

[@uncommonunity787]

I am very thankful that you are taking on the difficult subjects head on. I pray that when all of this goes down, and our pre-trib brothers and sisters begin to think of falling away, they come to those of us who understand and that we encourage and comfort them to endure faithfully the days ahead, and to the end, as Jesus clearly has commanded us to do. Maranatha!

[@topfueljunkie100]

​@SvenShanah If that were actually true, there wouldn't be serious scholarly debate over this topic. You're being sensational and a more than a bit hyperbolic here. You may not agree with it, and that's of course totally fine, but let's not literally make stuff up like this.

[@topfueljunkie100]

Hi Uncommon Unity, I find it so strange when I see people talk of fearing that pre-trib people may "fall away" if it turns out there belief on the timing of the rapture turns out to be wrong. Why on earth would they fall away and apostasize? It seems that's what you're saying using that language as do others who say the same thing, but that just doesn't make any sense and seems awfully unfair. I mean, what you're then saying is that a pre-trib believer's faith lies solely in their understanding of the rapture's timing and, if that turns out to be wrong, their faith is shaken and they "fall away" or apostasize (what's meant by "fall away"). Why would you not assume their faith is in Christ like any true believer's is, and they would only then come to the conclusion that their interpretation on the rapture's timing is wrong and then seek to correct that? Why assume their entire faith would be shaken when their entire faith was never placed on the rapture and it's timing to begin with, but instead in Christ? This would be like saying that someone who comes to find out their views on speaking in tongues is wrong that they lose their entire faith or they "fall away" or that someone's views on whether females can be pastors is wrong that they lose their entire faith and walk away an apostate ("fall away"). That wouldn't make any sense.

[@macadams9240]

@@topfueljunkie100 .... not all pre-trib adherents are like you. Most of them don't go any further in their studies of what happened, what is happening, and what will happen during this time. Many pre, because they've been taught not to worry about it because it doesn't really pertain to them, because they won't be here anyway... IF they find themselves in the 7 years and they see the antichrist do all lying signs, miracles and wonders, they will believe that he is the Messiah. Why not? Who else can do such things? They will not believe he is the antichrist because they've been taught that they will never see him. So therefore, they can be easily deceived and worship the antichrist. No one is saying that pre tribbers are dumb, or apathethic, or don't love God as much as another group of Christians do. He is saying it will be much harder on those who believe in a pre trib and don't study anything other than what they are taught to PROVE a pre trib rapture. No one wants "any" Christian to be deceived and fall.

[@johnd5805]

Amen.

[@robind4l936]

FINALLY, the TRUTH is being taught! Thank you for putting it out there. Marantha! Amen!

[@MJ-cb8nl]

Give me two examples of the truth that you say is now being taught? Prove to me that you are led by the Holy Spirit. If you can't give me two witnesses from the scriptures of this truth that you say is now being taught, I will know that you have been indoctrinated and deceived. Here is my two witnesses for the day of the Lord resurrection and rapture/translation of the bride of Christ. Isaiah 26:19-21, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,Joel 2:16 Let bridegroom go forth of his chamber and the bride out of her closet.

[@diane5855]

@@MJ-cb8nl 2 Thessalonians 2, Rev.2 & 3, the faithful persecuted church. Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Rev. 14:12(you are a saint)

[@MJ-cb8nl]

You are deceived and confused.

[@robind4l936]

@@MJ-cb8nl Sorry, I'm not deceived. Ask yourself this question, why would God allow His followers of the early Church to go through persecution and His church of today wouldn't? That makes no sense and it's unbiblical. There will be a remnant that will be protected but the rest will go through a portion of the tribulation.

[@MJ-cb8nl]

The first century and the last generation of believers are the same born-again believers who lived at different times. The last generation of believers who will be alive at the translation/rapture of the Church are called the bride of Christ. Every born-again believer is not the bride of Christ. There are believers who are unfaithful, and there are believers who are faithful. The faithful believers are the bride of Christ. KJV 1 Thessalonians 5 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation/rescue by our Lord Jesus Christ Revelation 3:10-11, Luke 21:36 etc. Joel 2 16 Let bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. The chamber is a metaphor for heaven, and the closet is a metaphor for the planet Earth.

[@judysmith3347]

It amazes me that Christians today think that they don't need to suffer for Christ. Look at what the disciples went through and Paul beaten, thrown in prison, hung on crosses upside down, beheaded, etc. and yet the church today thinks that we should be rescued from all of this tribulation. I'm sorry I think we need to go through the tribulation --it's the final cleansing. And the ones who still believe in the pre trib will be disappointed when they realize the tribulation is happening and thay are still here. Perhaps that is the great falling away that occurs. Thank you, Joel, for all your teaching. And Dalton, too. Maranatha!

[@sirrogerbannister9282]

I totally agree with you Judy. I believe this maybe “The Great Falling Away” scripture talks about. Just think about how many of our brothers and sisters that have the pre-trib belief…

[@Brooke-Ps-139]

I was thinking something similar with the falling away aspect

[@Yizal]

The church are those who keep His commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ Yeshuah Hamishiach

[@Yakar-Yaoh.6651]

Yeshuah Ha’mashiach is not how to say or how you spell. The spelling in this name is feminine causative singular form. This can not be the right spelling due to the feminine nature. Ya’ohshai Mashaykh is the correct spelling due to the Masculine nature of YA’OH and Shai too is masculine in the Shapah Barorah/Pure Tongues. You are uttering a Canaanite translation of their Messiah’s name. We say Ha’Shapah Barorah/The Pure Language. Even when you use the Yeshua name like the Arib Jews it still is in the feminine form due to the "YES" in Yeshua and Yeshuah. When it come to the Alah’aym/The Almighty, society calles him Yahweh or Yahuah which also is incorrect and is in the feminine form du to the "AH" at the end of Yahuah and the "EH" in Yahweh. They also are Canaanite as well. YA’OH Alah’aym = Almighty GOD Ya’ohshai Ha•Mashaykh/Almighty Translation: YA’OH SAVES BY SALVATION. Not just (Salvation) like the European Jews say.

[@Yizal]

@@Yakar-Yaoh.6651 Your right spelled it wrong, please forgive me,

[@Yizal]

By the way...get some content on your page if your going to leave a comment

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@Yakar-Yaoh.6651]

@@SpotterVideo: Pauls letters were never supposed to be in the Cannon. The only two books that were supposed to be in the New Testament was Mathath-YA’OH/aka Matthew and the book of Khazon/aka Revelation in the Paleo Ghabarayic/Ancient Hebraic tongues. Be we were told the New Testament was (ALL) written in Greek….well that’s not true at all. I believe the Greek James Bible is reverse psychology. I believe the Greek James Bible was designed very carefully to sway the reader into appealing words similar to "THE POWER OF PERSUASION TACTIC! Guilt into believing something that’s not. Blinding the readers by uttering buzz phrases such as…there’s no other name in Heaven and earth but the name Jesus. Last time I checked The Messiah was Galilean Hebrew.

[@777PMTZ]

Thank you for preaching the truth. Some Christians ignore revelation and say it won't matter because they won't be there

[@sirrogerbannister9282]

Well done Joel. Put it out there. This is the time in history that Christians need to hear this. Also with the pre-tribulation believers not being caught up before the 7 year tribulation period occurs, could trigger the Great Falling Away that scripture talks about.

[@HansenMoments]

I love FAI teachings so much. I’ve learned an incredible amount by digging into Scripture the past 3 years. In 2020, when the chaos hit the world, God put an incredible burden on my heart about my lifelong indoctrination of the pre-trib rapture and to really seek wisdom on this issue. Is it salvific? No… but it does matter if we love God’s Word and seek truth (something severely lacking in this day and age.) THANK YOU for all your hard work in the Middle East, and for all your dedication to teaching through the Bible studies. I binge watched all the documentaries over a couple weeks recently and I absolutely loved them. I wish everyone would watch them, there’s so much rich perspective in them for God’s people.

[@LadyVioIa]

That’s incredible that you say that because 2020 was precisely when God begin to speak to me about the pretrib rapture. It was right before the pandemic became “official”. The pretrib rapture wasn’t even on my radar and I had never questioned it, I just believed it. Around January 2020, I felt a strong impression to study it more in depth and so I did; needless to say it wasn’t long before I figured out it couldn’t be supported by scripture alone. The Holy Spirit has really been opening the eyes of His people during this time and I love it!

[@bevgal]

Isn't it amazing how instead of this bringing trepidation to our hearts it makes our love for Jesus even stronger!! We will willingly go into the fires for Him and die for Him...look what He did for us!! I love Him so much

[@macadams9240]

Bevgal… I love your first sentence here. I have never been at peace in my spirit with the pre-trb rapture. I was ostracized, berated, called a heretic all because I believed the Bible taught a post-trib view. Now, Joel & Dalton’s scriptural teachings have brought “peace” to my spirit. The “truth” really will set you free. I have anxiety about that time coming, but when you KNOW God’s plan, you know He will take care of that anxiety and the pain of death. He said not to worry if we are caught. The Holy Spirit will come upon you and tell you what to say and do. Our main goal for that time is to give our testimony of Christ to hopefully cause one more sinner to come to Salvation. Our peace and calmness and a smile in the face of death is powerful testimony in itself. Some treat their salvation like you would an airline ticket for a future trip. The lock it up in a safe or drawer and don’t pull it out till it’s time. If you asked them, How many people have you prayed with to accept the Lord as their Savior? They usually say, That’s the Pastor’s job.

[@Kepi_Kei]

Sometimes I think it would be easier to die for him than to live for him.

[@bevgal]

@@Kepi_Kei I get that..I really do

[@michlagl]

Well said and taught! Sometimes I think pre trib teachers refuse to admit their error because of their pride & just so they could be 'right' they continue to lead others astray which is sad. Just hope that when the rapture doesn't happen they still remember we're not condemning them but here in the fight and trial with them. Instead of fighting perhaps we should prepare ourselves..

[@1arra1alpha72]

Pre trib are nukes = white light, then Rapture, NDE " floating up!" Dream of Los Angeles gets nuked. Rich have nuke. I AM homeless but billions of gangstlkers = global mental illness . Liberalism is a mental disease.

[@AminaAmina-xq4bb]

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[@dustinpotter8312]

Isaiah and Jeremiah had to wrestle with false prophets in their day. Those prophets caused God's authentic prophets physical harm and social hardship. The false prophets of our day will do no less. Jesus said some in the last days would be put to death for their honest testimony. The same spirit seized Christ and gave him to the gentiles to crucify him. Christians need to mature. A man Judas who was one of Jesus' students who preached Jesus word and healed people through Jesus word betrayed Jesus. That same spirit is here today and we need to be close to Jesus for we may have to bear betrayal.

[@MarkRouleau-k4u]

While I agree with you about pride. I believe the greater error comes from being educated in Christian colleges that do not reason, but only tell students what to believe. Once having this doctrine pounded into you for years, cognitive dissonance sets in and it is very difficult to change your beliefs.

[@JesusChristismySavior-Julie]

@@MarkRouleau-k4uyes, the Scofield teaching. 😩

[@lazemajohnson1851]

Thank God that you're teaching and preparing the church,✝️🙏🙌❣️

[@Samayaslight]

Maranatha! Thank you for this teaching, Joel. I am grateful to FAI for bringing forth these teachings about the pre-trib rapture, as I had not found this information anywhere else and it has given me a great source of truth to share with my church.

[@Jenn_Psalm25.4-7]

Look up Joel Schimmel from Good Fight Ministries...he has outstanding arguments against pre trib and had a great rapture debate with a pretribber. He's a great discernment pastor and ministry

[@MJ-cb8nl]

Joe Schimmel is just another false teacher. Give me two examples from the Bible to show me that you haven't been indoctrinated.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

I’ve tried to talk to a pretrib rapture believing friend about this, and they refuse to believe that the church will be here during the great tribulation. Thank you for your teachings about this biblical truth in revelation. 🙏🏻 ✝️❤️

[@allthingsbing1295]

@@amyhenningsgard8618 the tribulation was going on when john wrote Revelation in AD 65 or 66. Rev 1:9 “I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ Do you think the tribulation lasts 2000+ years??

[@dustinpotter8312]

@@amyhenningsgard8618 Perhaps you can look up some information on First resurrection and second death (Rev 20:4-6) and Hebrews 9:27. I have tried the a the Last Trump, seeing the sign of the Lord the obvious stuff in Matt.24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 to no avail. More recently 1 Cor 15:23 "...those that are the Lords at his coming" (as opposed to "not the Lords at his coming") and 1 Thess 4:16 "dead in Christ will rise first" as opposed those who are not the Lords Matthew 7:2 Not everybody who says Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom. and Jesus won't raise unholy people so where do they get separated? and Rev 5 only the first resurrection and no others until after the thousand year reign of Christ is finished. (M most don't know Rev 20:5 says that). Best to you.

[@foreverloved3230]

Bravo Joel, finally a man of God that took the courage and understanding to teach the Truths of the book of Revelation. Love you brother in the Lord Jesus, who loves us forever.

[@jeffbaker749]

Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

[@RealDefinitionsMatter]

Study the original language on the word kept and trial - they are not modern definitions! Additionally, this is to the faithful church of Philadelphia that kept His word! Given today, most of Christianity dismisses the OT as "for the Jews", believes the law doesn't apply to them despite the NT definition of being written on the mind & heart to which the Spirit leads obedience (Jer 31:3-33, Ezek 36:26-37), dismiss His Sabbath given as a sign for a man-made one codified by the council of Laodecia....the shoe doesn't fit. Doing what we believe is right in our own eyes while laying aside God's commands falls in the line of 1 Samuel 15. The Pharisees were constantly rebuked for this. The Ekklesia of today must heed the warning!

[@sanalouis2620]

@@RealDefinitionsMatterAmen 🙏. I learned and pray to kept the commandment of Yahuah

[@julievotaw3289]

John 17:15 says, "I pray not that you take them out of the world, but that you protect them from the evil one."

[@regine3147]

Thank you Joel and FAI for this series. It's so good and so necessary. Blessings

[@shirleychen7412]

We will go through tribulation and those that endure keeping his commands will not go through WRATH !

[@jamescole3152]

True.

[@russcollins8998]

So, we are taken out before the wrath?

[@ereynatetasgrafas9933]

​@@russcollins8998 wrath comes with the second coming of our Lord

[@russcollins8998]

@@ereynatetasgrafas9933 Have you read the Book of Revelation?

[@nelliemoore3792]

Thank you FAI for these Truths.

[@sketchbook1]

The second-class status forced upon the group they call, "Tribulation Saints" has always bugged me! If they're not part of the Bride, what are they? A Concubine?!

[@macadams9240]

I agree @sketchbook1... Paul warned us not to think of ourselves more than we ought to, that we are more important or more righteous than others. He said if the true branches can be broken off, how much easier can you who were "grafted" in to the vine be broken off. For a group of Christians to think that the Jews deserve to go through the 7 years but they don't, or that other Christians should go through it and not them is to be so self-righteous and morally bankrupt of empathy for his fellow brother in Christ. The Jews have always been God's firstborn, chosen people, the apple of His eye. We Gentile believers can never take their place.

[@cryptojihadi265]

The church isn't the Bride of Christ anyway. Jerusalem is. It's spelled out in Rev 21. Never once does the Bible call the church His Bride.

[@NaneeH63]

​@cryptojihadi265 you are in error.

[@sketchbook1]

@@NaneeH63 The Church is described as the Bride in the NT (Eph 5). But Rev 21 DOES describe the New Jerusalem “dressed as a bride.” And the “Wedding Supper of the Lamb” in Revelation 19 seems to be detailed as the slaughter of the enemies of God… There is no description of believers sitting down to a supper at table. Earlier in Revelation it does show martyrs crying out from under the throne…

[@thetower8553]

I know what you mean. I've even heard them described as the foolish virgins. From the text however, Revelation 20:4, it does seem they are anything but second class.

[@ninyabeans8139]

The tribulation is so horrific, if anything tests our faith it will be during that time, of course Christians will be here for it.

[@Mr.Fotingo-qf9hk]

Yes, but It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God...which is much worse!

[@tomknoff3012]

Revelation 6:11 says ... Re. the 5th seal...-"until... their fellow servants of Jesus who were to be martyred - had joined them. Obviously believers were still on the earth and had not 'escaped.' Thanks Joel! I have so many friends who are deceived by escapology, talking and debate have done nothing, prayer is what is needed, as usual.

[@Tony-dh]

What if those martyred come back risen again as soldiers to fight with Jesus those who killed them?

[@allthingsbing1295]

Can anyone explain a futurist view of revelation 22:15? “Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ Exactly where are all these bad people? This is describing the time of new heaven and new earth. The very end of rev.

[@topfueljunkie100]

​@@allthingsbing1295 Would that not be those cast into the lake of fire? They're not dead or annihilated, they're alive and conscious in some form or another, and they are therefore "outside" of heaven where God is.

[@allthingsbing1295]

@@topfueljunkie100 it also says the kings of the earth bring in their splendor. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. Why do nations need healing? If this is after the earth ending fire?

[@topfueljunkie100]

@@allthingsbing1295 I haven't studied this one extensively but have wondered about that one in particular myself. Best I can make of it so far is that the Greek word translated here as "healing" is where we get the modern English word "therapeutic" from. "Nations" is the same word used elsewhere for "gentiles". So it seems the leaves are used not for healing sickness since the curse and thus sickness is gone, but for health promotion of the nations of the world at the time. Much like how the plants in the garden of eden would have given health to those who consumed it. It's hard to understand though since we think of being in perfect health at all times, thus why would we need more health promotion through these leaves? What if we didn't use them? Would we somehow have less health? That doesn't seem possible. So it's a bit of a mystery and I'd need to study it more to make better sense of it. Maybe it's like food, we can survive without it for a period but we eat for sustenance and for enjoyment and in the kingdom it'll be enjoyable to eat as well but it also gives us health and sustenance somehow? It seems we go back full circle to how we started in the garden of eden in perfection but still eating of the plants that God gave us if that makes sense. Basically once Adam and Eve sinned, from that point forward, all is fixed and we go back to that pre-fall state like in the garden and with no curse.

[@Susan1408]

Thank you Joel. What a blessing your teachings have been to me over the years. Understanding the end times has filled in a huge missing part of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God for me. God bless you and FAI

[@chipset2900]

Joel ROCKS. Finally, a STRONG, COHERENT rebuttal to so much PreTrib nonsense. Who is "falling away" if not the unprepared pre-tribbers?

[@smittyjetson]

I knew the Lord led me to you 7 years ago when i was rejecting my pre trib upbringing. i never really followed you after that but fiqured it out myself. listening to you now, i sound just like you. Thank you!!!

[@AminaAmina-xq4bb]

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[@MJ-cb8nl]

Stop lying on the Lord. A religious spirit led you to a false teacher. Demons teach false doctrine.

[@MJ-cb8nl]

This man is a false teacher.

[@anne-mariemadore4519]

So enjoying this series. Joel and Dalton do a faboulous job in explaining the truths given in the Book of Revelation.

[@Jenn_Psalm25.4-7]

First, praise the Lord He answered my prayers for discernment and praise the Lord for people like Joel who are fighting for the truth against this irrational doctrine!!! I became a Christian July 2021 and prayed fervently to not be deceived and that the Holy Spirit would guide me with wisdom and discernment....so far I've been brought to ministries such as this who debunk the deceit amongst the brethren. I was terrified to go through the tribulation, so naturally you'd think I'd latch on to the pre-trib rapture but after watching arguments for and against, debates, listening to Pastor Joe Schimmel from Blessed Hope Chapel/Good Fight Ministries, doing an unbiased Revelation study from Phylicia Masonheimer and then now finding Joel after his interview with the Remnant Radio, there's NO WAY I could ever believe in this escape route! Now I pray to endure, to remain in Christ and to help me to stay in faith and trust unto death! I can guard myself now, pray for God's strength and prepare for what might come in my lifetime. I can't thank the Lord enough for all that He's revealed to me in just a little over a year!!! Keep up the great work!!

[@macadams9240]

I really like what Dalton said in one of the teachings that if a man just got saved and received a Bible and read it for the first time, and had no one to teach him, he would never come up with a pre-trib rapture on his own. You have to be taught this view, mainly because it's not what the Bible says or teaches. The Bible is its best interpreter.

[@CariePoirier]

I asked my daughter that, she’s 14, to compare Matt 24 and 1 thess 4 and said nothing. She said, other than they’re the same thing, what? She had never studied the issue, as far as I know.

[@Mac42-ez9bu]

I'd be very interested in hearing how that conversation ended.

[@RogerHerring-e6e]

Hello brother, touched my heart preacher. Thank you.

[@greensmart7]

Thank you Joël, very good explaining the time of tribulation.

[@jessielawson8924]

The church is mentioned after. The church is throughout the whole book

[@SpotterVideo]

You are correct, because in Rev. 1:20 Jesus said the word "candlesticks" is a symbol of the "churches" in the Book of Revelation. In the same verse He said "stars" is a symbol of the angels. What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the KZbin video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.

[@BelieverInBama]

Such a great shareable teaching! Thank you so much!

[@mikebremer3456]

Millions of saints have been martyred throughout history for their testimony of Jesus. Why do we think we are so special that we won't have to face any persecution. It is a wish that isn't going to happen, people will not be ready for the tribulation of the man of lawlessness which Paul says must come first.

[@irenecooper7235]

Thank you for this message. I totally agree!!

[@JahRootsRadio]

Well done Joel. PREACH IT!! Don’t apologize, don’t muzzle the Spirit

[@AidenRKrone]

The main reason I abandoned the doctrine of the pre-Tribulation Rapture is simple: it creates two Second Comings of Jesus, but the Bible plainly says that there is only one Second Coming.

[@NaneeH63]

Right!

[@Deacondan240]

Thanks for speaking so strongly against the spirit of the age in pre trib rapture.

[@joshua9449]

Great job capturing the spirit of prophecy; the testimony of Jesus.

[@sweetpea3039]

We are growing in grace and knowledge daily & It’s usually only after an event takes place we recognize it as a “this fulfills that scripture” moment… it’s true our faith will be tested, we must endure hardship and be ready to suffer and die for our faith but it’s also clear in scripture that there are differences in God’s people, I.e. Old Testament saints, the church, etc… our mission in this life doesn’t change one bit if there is a rapture before during or after the 70th week or not. Be ready, we don’t know the day or hour our life in this body will be finished… the hour is late any way we look at it ❤one another.

[@lindyellinger920]

And I'm sorry thank for these teachings they are very helpful, God bless you all !!!

[@anitawood632]

It has been almost sixty years since the Lord led me into the post tribulation position. In all those years I only knew of a few people who agreed with me. Praise God for Joel, Dalton and the rest of the FAI team! I bo longer feel alone.

[@allthingsbing1295]

Can you explain the 14 times In Revelation when Yeshua says soon? He clearly taught that he would return to the generation to whom he spoke.

[@JLMAX22]

I always understood it as knowing that His disciples would need to keep teaching throughout the time til his return, they’d all need to hear the same thing. Keep the message going.

[@allthingsbing1295]

@@JLMAX22 they did teach until his return. Some were still alive and some had been martyred at His return in AD 70. Just as he promised in Matt 16:28.

[@WarriorShepherd_]

Maranatha!! Thank you for the message.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Amen Excellent teaching. I'm starting to believe more and more everyday that these Pre-Trib teachers are part of the End Times deceivers that Jesus and Paul warns us about. Now the Lord is putting it up on our hearts to start crying out the Truth, as the Day draws near. Dispensationalism has caused Soo much damage. They are the ones deceiving the people in the comment section when l post against this on Instagram. But more and more are seeing the Truth....God Bless you Joel and your team. 📖🔥

[@macadams9240]

@michellecheriekjv...??? spelling? I was good friends with Dick York, head of Shield of Faith Ministries. He was in his 80s when he wrote a 3 part article in their newsletter about 2 years ago about it being a Post Trib Rapture. He said, suddenly, I was called a heretic, a blasphemer, not able to understand the scriptures, very harsh words spoken to him and even cursed at by many. All were Christians and many were even Pastors. The Bible says that many will turn against you, turn you in, and some will even kill some of you, thinking that they are doing God a favor. It is hard to understand how so many on both sides of the aisle, get that angered when you don't agree with their view of end times. And it gets really bad when they can't convince you or convert you to their side.

[@sanalouis2620]

I can feel you for I’m going through the same in warning others but they seemed to turn death ear to what I said 😢. Pray they’ll turn from this deception and love the truth 🙏🙏

[@emmyvanderkooij8773]

When someone says that God would not let the bride be beaten, I have to think of this verse: "Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matthew 16:22-23 KJV

[@adrianlambeth314]

Thank you for your videos. Maranatha !

[@sammygeiger3562]

Joel I am home by myself watching this and towards the end I just wanted to stand up and start slow clapping and shouting! Best explanation I have EVER heard. Before I found FAI on KZbin I grew up and believed in Pre Trib. It wasnt until I finally read my bible on my own a year ago. I felt a nudge to stay off the internet and social media while I read. Like God was telling me all you need is my voice while you read this. So I did, I didn't even watch FAI videos. Once I finished my mind was blown, I went around telling everyone the bible I grew up learning about and views we held was not accurate! (Baptist) I didnt understand in the end how a pre trib rapture could be inferred? In Dalton's recent video where he talks about you cant get pre trib view just from reading it, and I so believe that! I think it's a view people want to believe in because it makes them feel good. But it's not backed by scripture. Joel this video was one of the best ones I have seen, you blew it out of the water! I appreciate FAI and all yall do, so much solid teaching that is backed by scripture! I'm sitting here brain storming all the ways I can get this message out!

[@JLMAX22]

Amen!

[@ramkanjeenterprises5416]

Well articulated in sound doctrine. AMEN

[@tedslawinski9476]

👍 Joel also offers a really good and necessary introduction to dispensationalism here.

[@Juan0481]

Joel, I've been struggling with this issue (pre trib vs post trib) for some time now. These videos have been the best descriptors as to why pre-trib doctrine is not accurate. At least that I've seen. Thanks for all you do! Maranatha!

[@BGr8ful4all]

Most forget that the seven churches had much against them. Even some Jesus would spew out of his mouth because they were neither hot or a cold. So the churches don’t represent the saints. Only the church of Philadelphia were are the true believers and acting accordingly. 🙏🏼❤️ Great message! There is no greater love than to lay your life down for a friend.

[@allthingsbing1295]

What’s even the point of telling the first century people that they would be saved from the tribulation if it wasn’t to happen for a couple thousand years?? Completely meaningless to the original intended audience

[@jeffreyfoy366]

Ephesians Chapter 2 totally eliminates the theory of two different groups of blood bought redeemed saints. The gentiles are reconciled into the blood bought redeemed saints of Israel thus creating ONE body of saints.

[@danielramsey197]

A very well given in love message! Love you all, my brethren in the Lord! Maranatha!

[@scorpio0862]

Hey, I just wanted to pop in while watching this latest episode. Thank you so much for doing all your productions. I was a non-active pre-tribber but when God put a burden on my heart 5 yrs ago post-cancer (praise Him for healing me) I began to dig deeper, I was astonished and upset by the bad doctrine I had been taught all my life and my heart immediately broke for those who are still under it's spell. I try to lovingly share the truth but that group of believers is becoming more mean and angry when you ask hard questions, especially in the past year, so I pray for their hearts. I wanted to offer a comment about what you said in this video at about the 11:45 mark about the pretrib need to get the church out of the picture. The single most effective concept in their system to get their believers to stumble was to convince them that the 1st seal rider is, without debate, the person of the antichrist. That is not what the first rider is but if you could convince ppl that beyond doubt, "he" is that first rider, you would have essentially shut down anyone's reason for needing to discern or interpret or study anything beyond that. We could see WW3 go into full swing, food costs at Seal 3 levels and even see 1/4 of the population die and pre-tribbers will stand there and defiantly say - if the antichrist hasn't "revealed" himself yet or "since we are still here" The Tribulation hasn't started. All because of the 1st Seal/Antichrist "line in the sand" that the pre-trib theology hinges on. A very effective strategy to open Christian minds to a great deception! Anyway, I first wanted to say Thank You!!!! And then offer that opinion that God showed me in my almost 2 year search for truth that, by His grace alone, I have become so much more connected and in tune with my Savior! Maranatha brothers and thank you again and again!!

[@discipledougnews1079]

Its an interesting thing, isn't it? John Darby is at the root of the problem in the middle 1800s. The main problem that the mainstream western church has is they are so deep into the pre-trib doctrine that any reversal would cause panic within the rank and file. As much as I want to not make accusations for the western church leadership over the last 200-300 years for intentionally misleading the masses, I do have to wonder how church membership might have been without the rapture preaching. Meh, God is in control, so it is rather pointless to ponder such thoughts. Blessings, my friend.

[@allthingsbing1295]

Yeshua clearly taught that he was returning in the first century generation that he spoke to. No futurist position is supported by scripture. Matt 24:34, Luke 21:32, mark 13:30,. A few of the time statements given by Yeshua in addition to 14 mentions of “soon” in revelation.

[@discipledougnews1079]

@@allthingsbing1295 I disagree completely. "Soon" in context of eternity doesn't mean fist generation with or from Christ. The question asked was with regard to the "end", not a beginning. Matthew 24:3 clearly speaks of the end of the age, not the end of that generation. "And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”" What Jesus answered following that question parallels perfectly with Revelation 6. "Then" he continues with what follows Rev 6 with events in the Tribulation and the end of the tribulation period as He returns to "gather" His Saints - also in parallel with the events in Revelation. There should be no dispute in this reading.

[@allthingsbing1295]

@@discipledougnews1079 you are correct. It all happened in first century. John even says He is a fellow partaker in the tribulation.“ I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ It sounds like you agree that Yeshua returned in his generation , just as he promised he would . Matt 24:34, luke 21:32

[@allthingsbing1295]

@@discipledougnews1079 Matt 23-24 is parallel to revelation. It all happened in first century

[@tomknoff3012]

Thanks again Joel! I did not know how this pre-trib deception started, you explained it in detail at 11:30...awesome

[@bretthansen8166]

I’ve been spreading this teaching often with my local Calvary Chapel based church in California, they simply delete and disable all comments for everyone when I do so. They had a pastor a few days ago preaching Mathew 24, and he started by saying “let’s skip pas the first few verses that talk about the tribulation” then picked one verse at the end that fit the agenda. The Bible needs to be studied as a “whole” not pick and choose. It’s very frustrating to me as i believe these are people who love our savior, but I cannot stand by idle and not say something, it’s really becoming something of a calling to me to let people know the truth of this scripture. I will not back down, be rude, or give up. People need to hear the truth of the whole scripture of GOD, not just select verses. Always appreciate everyone from FAI, love you all and God Bless ✝️❤️

[@deniserobertson7146]

Calvary Chapel is known for its Pre-Trib doctrine. Pastors who preach otherwise are kicked out of that denomination. It's sad that comments are censored. I can understand censoring comments that are rude or racist, etc., but not if someone has a different opinion or lays out a logical rebuttal. I don't think I could go to a church like that. Find some where with like-minded believers. Ask the Lord - He will lead you there.

[@allthingsbing1295]

The events in matt 24 happened when Yeshua promised they would- his generation, people who were listening to him would not taste death before his coming. What is the point of telling them to flee to the mountains if the events are thousands of years later?

[@ingognito369]

I'm doing the same brother

[@RaptureofSaints]

To understand this matter one must first look in Revelation of why the word "Church" was first used as well as when it is first used! Its not used at the beginning when John is told to give the Prophecy to other Servants! The reason why the word Church was first used was because John was told to send the message to the 7 Churches in Asia! Jesus even names those 7 Churches! Then we see that the Prophecy is to be given to all Churches, to all the Saints and Servants and Brethren that are the Church! To be honest we must look at all the various names Jesus uses in the Prophecy! It is those that Keep the Testimony of Jesus, the Brethren, the Saints, the Overcomer! Once Jesus Finished addressing the 7 Churches in Asia there was no need to again use that Word Church as Jesus wanted to show John everything else! To be honest we do see the word Church used later in Revelation! What Jesus wrote to the 7 Churches is to all Churches!

[@discipledougnews1079]

The word "ekklesia" has been used within the NT that included believers as well as non-believers. So, not all references are exclusively meant for believers only, but "assembly" of people.

[@RaptureofSaints]

@@discipledougnews1079 Yes BUT who is the Ekklesia that Jesus speaks of in Revelation? They are the Believers in Jesus!

[@discipledougnews1079]

@@RaptureofSaints I concur for the most part, but there were many in some people of those seven churches who were not necessarily proper believers. Hence the reason for the warnings.

[@RaptureofSaints]

@@discipledougnews1079 Yes! Believers but Believers that were again walking in the Flesh instead of the Spirit! Some believers that had been deceived and others that chose to walk in Disobedience! Such is the Great Love of God and the Grace that we walk in where we have a Faithful God that Loves us even when we stumble! Jesus knows those that are His Own, those that Truly abide in the Vine! Just as there was the Obedient and the Disobedient of Israel so we have those that are Obedient and Disobedient in the Churches along with the Wolves dressed in sheep's clothing! Great Point!

[@lintxxxxx]

Wow. Preach it. Best quote yet, "the pretrib rapture robs the church of this essential exhortation to be prepared to lay down our lives" And look at the church today. No wonder so many will fall away. Great word brother

[@lynnriggs4244]

Yah bless all his children, believers Amen Amen HalleluYAH HalleluYAH 🙏❤️

[@yahwehswarparty3668]

Once again another great educational video. When you break down the why as in the (dispensationalism) it is so educational No where else in any church am I learning like this! Thank you all Please continue

[@TERoss-jk9ny]

I quit going to church because of the “Pre-Trib” doctrine. I’ve felt my entire adult life, having given my Heart to The Lord at the age of 13, that this teaching was wrong. I heard it all my life, yet didn’t, or “couldn’t” reconcile myself to it. Thankfully, I feel God spoke to me 9 years ago and gave me a vision/dream of what I AM SUPPOSED to do to prepare, and be ready to help the saints when it gets poopy. And it WILL get poopy. I personally believe we will really start seeing things within the latter part of 18 months. Many things are happening around the world that is unreported, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Seek God! Seek his fave and His heart. Repent, Humble yourselves and Pray. I’m nowhere near a perfect Christian. But I am a God Fearing man who wants to do Gods will. Godspeed all.

[@onlyYahushasaves5747]

Thank you, Amen!! God bless 🙌

[@PeterGarofalo]

the saints are singing & rejoicing with tribulations throughout the whole book of Revelation.

[@ramkanjeenterprises5416]

In agreement with Joe Richardson. In Jeremiah 14:15 "Therefore thus says the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and i sent them not, yet they say sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed".

[@marinahyre2213]

I believe the church is not mentioned after Revelation 4 because the dragon or beast will war with the saints causing the church to scatter and go into hiding due to persecution. Then as Revelation 13 says, the saints (remnant) will be overcome. God always leaves a few behind as eye witnesses to the entire thing as in times past. I may be wrong, so I'm really looking forward to hearing your message! I've been wrong before. I love your Bible studies!

[@rodneylunofishinrodofgod]

The church is mentioned all thru revelation, just in various other names, actually Joel just Saud this, lol

[@Forgiven_Disciple]

This message explains so well i hope you like it

[@Forgiven_Disciple]

@@rodneylunofishinrodofgod they left the message before the video played 18 hours ago so they hadnt had a chance to see it yet

[@Forgiven_Disciple]

@@rodneylunofishinrodofgod but he sure did a good job teaching today didnt he!!! Whew!!! God bless u bro

[@ennisel]

non are left behind - the overcomers come with him (after being raptured to him) to see him at work

[@williambillingsley3198]

…and lest we forget, the church of Smyrna was highly praised by our Christ. Yet, He told them they needed to be faithful unto death, to overcome in order to receive their reward. That’s quite sobering and should instill the fear of God in every confessing Christian .

[@rtg8point858]

And yet He saved Noah, and Lot and his family, etc.

[@codyalexander3290]

@@rtg8point858 did he save noah? Or he did allow him means of escape but still kept him here

[@Jim.Simpson]

Outstanding as always.

[@michaelsmith2733]

I was saved 50 yrs. ago, and I have never been sure one way or the other,and I think I have heard all the arguments. I must say your argument so far on this series is has been quite good. I am old and very ill now and may not make it to the time of the real persecution, so if I die before that, from a long unmerciful illness can I still be an overcomer? I would be interested on your take to my question.

[@discipledougnews1079]

Of course you will. We are all overcomers in the sense that like Paul said in so many words...finish your race, obtain the crown.

[@JovannaandFriends]

You are an overcomer if you are covered by the blood of the Lamb, if you bear witness to the cross, if you do not love your life above God's call. You are an overcomer brother Michael. God bless you and keep you May He make His face shine upon you May He be gracious to you. Praying for you!

[@michellebehr7669]

The dead in Christ rise first at His Coming so you are hid with Christ in God.

[@adamlee3056]

Amen. Thank you Joel.

[@kieronstedman5726]

Great message Joel 👊 ur the GOAT

[@reneegrubbs4912]

I totally agree with this !!! 🙏 AMEN for the truth.

[@denapedersen7018]

Pre-trib also has a very compelling argument that we are taken up before. I wish people would stop. We should be ready no matter what

[@kenklein9228]

How do we get ready?

[@scorpio0862]

kenklein asks the perfect question, plain and simple. I despise the bickering about this too. I bought the pretrib lie for a long time but that was due to my own laziness and not seeking Him and digging into the Word. Once I did that, it became so obvious that WE are the supposed "tribulation saints." No manmade doctrine or youtube video convinced me, the Word of God alone proved it to me. So my respectful reply to your comment is in keeping with kenklein's question...how do we prepare? As I sit it church now and listen to everyone just assuming they are all ok, living for Jesus with nothing but a little trouble to deal with, just waiting for a secret removal - and as I sit there, I feel such sorrow because I love them all so much! I find myself imagining how totally different the sermons across the world would be if all believers understood that we will see the antichrist and be here for at least part of the persecution that is coming. How different the church activities and initiatives would be!! We'd be preparing to be ready help and witness to those who are in need. We'd be forming committees to prepare for helping our own church body, our elderly, the families with little ones and the community as well. We'd be talking and preparing for the amazing opportunity we are about to have to share the gospel with a hurting/dying people who will be crying out for answers. Those are the kind of "works" I want following me as I prepare to stand before Jesus!! Yes, it may cost us our lives, but isn't that what Jesus sacrificed for you and me? So, yes, I hate the infighting but my heart breaks for how we are missing out on getting ready right now so that our collective light can shine brighter for Jesus than ever in 2000 years! God bless and thank you for the comment.

[@sanalouis2620]

@@scorpio0862Amen. Your comment melt my heart. Humility is also what we really need these days. Ya bless your beautiful heart 🙏

[@pauldelaney5990]

Pre-tribbers, thinking that they will be 'beamed up' beforehand, are not preparing for the tribulation.

[@bettycarmella1127]

So good. God bless you brother 🙏🏽 I was raised pre trib, but it never “set right with my spirit”. I appreciate you for the clarity

[@ginadorsey8270]

Outstanding Message!

[@logiciskey7]

Excellent discussion Joel

[@productivecitizen2066]

Thank God this isn't a heaven or hell issue. If you're saved you'll be raptured regardless of pre or post!

[@JacquelineHahn1]

I really appreciate your hard work in preparing these messages

[@edrispadilla8966]

At 24:23 The same applies to the first, second ,etc. centuries when the church was being persecuted and many Christians died. So...did God not love them?

[@ennisel]

Hey Achi Joel - watching/listening rather from work... headphones on, you're 7mins in... blessingS

[@voiceoftruth9358]

The church is not mentioned after chapter 4 BECAUSE WE WONT BE HERE… for all who believe we will be, I’m praying for you

[@randyman1739]

Thanks and I'm praying you won't fall away or not cling to your life when you find out who the Anti-Christ will be.

[@launchlaunch8786]

After many years of indecision about this I've finally had a chance to clarify my understanding thanks to videos like this, so thanks. I've always been a pre-millennialist but was never convinced about the pre-trib rapture. Revelation 5:9-10 is another verse that clearly refers to church saints that is within the range of chapters where it is claimed there is no reference to the church. The post-trib rapture fits easily with the accounts given in the gospels and Thessalonians about the Second Coming. Seems to me there are too many church leaders more interested in 'towing the party line' than in genuinely seeking to understand the Scriptures. Does it really matter? It does if you end up in the Tribulation and you think you won't. The teachings of Jesus on this are clear. Be watchful. Be ready. Learn to read the signs of His coming.

[@joyn2781]

Exactly why in Luke it says when you’re brought before the court let the Holy Ghost speak for you

[@19nineteenthirteen19]

Good Morning Joel! May God bless your day brother.

[@ndikumanadesire5964]

THANK YOU! I DO AGREE WITH YOU, BE OF GOOD COURAGE

[@kathyh.7709]

Please explain to me how to reconcile your view with 1 Thess. 4:16-17 where Christ says we will be caught up with him in the clouds before the Tribulation. Help me understand why you do not agree with this scripture.

[@aljo78]

Can you show me the "before the Tribulation" part you mention please? V16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. V17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Where is the "before tribulation" here?

[@kathyh.7709]

There are an overwhelming number of passages to support the pretribulation Harpazo so I think that you may subconsciously desire the the time of Jacob's Trouble to apply to the church as well so as to include the church in that wrath. I think it would be a good idea to maybe ask yourself why this is because your videos are misleading. Please be careful. God provided an escape for Lot and Noah and He will do the same for the righteous in these days. We have been saved and are, therefore, not appointed to wrath.

[@jamescole3152]

@@kathyh.7709 You sidestepped his question because you were caught telling a lie. Or a false hood to be nice.

[@kriszta1414]

I'm so blessed and thankful for the Lord that He leads me to Joel's end times teachings. As I was tought and feed by Amir Tsarfati for around a year now or more and just recently I started to feel that why I have received panic or fears when I watching his teachings... why I feel that I am not ready and I will not be ready to be raptured he (Amir) he will be raptured before the antichrist revealed but I'm not... due to the panic and fears I was experiencing during his teachings I will be left behind....also, Amir mentioned in his latest rapture teaching that the world is ready to receive the antichrist, Europe is also ready, (that means the Lord is nearer than I thought)... The question is Are You Ready..? 😔 And at this point Im completely give up I won't be ready I will not be raptured and I will be left behind for the great tribulations....I'm pray that the Lord will lead Amir to the right direction... Im so so thankful for the Lord He never give up on me, He watched my struggles, confusions, fears and panics with the end times and he doesn't want me to feel like that... So He lead me to Joel teachings and the first thing I want to share is this..... all the Panic and Fears, confusions with the rapture and the end times are gone... and real Peace, real Comfort moved into my heart during Joel's teachings....this is the real Christ I was born again, repented and awaiting for his return... It's a miracle it really is... and treasure today in 2023 to hear the real truth the real character of Jesus in this time when great deceptions is in work...its feels like I finally drinking living water for the first time after receiving wrong messages for long time... Thank you Joel and God bless you for all your efforts and time you put it into these end times teachings...I pray that the Lord will bring your teachings as many Christians as possible to taken out christians from the great deception and to awakening them....

[@eriknorton8642]

Makes so much sense. I just don’t understand how so many pastors in America don’t see the danger in preaching this pretrib doctrine. Sometimes I feel like those same pastors know it would be a struggle to keep people in their churches if they were teaching that the body of Christ is called to suffer during the great tribulation. Teaching them that they don’t have to worry about it is just ignorant. Like even though so many countries persecute and kill the saints present day, us Americans, we don’t have to worry about that. Who do they think they are? Just crazy to me. I hope it’s not intentional.

[@kenklein9228]

I've had some Christians tell me that it wouldn't be fair for us to have to face the GT when Christians in the past haven't had to (for the most part). Hopefully, the birth pangs, which we're in right now, will shake up some of these teachers.

[@whitneyharoutunian3752]

27:10 I have had a great interest in studying Revelation, prophecy etc and have listened to you and Amir and many others. I love to study and dive in that being said so that you know I’m not coming in argumentative but inquisitive - I don’t understand- you said we will be “killed” (martyred) as believers, at the end before His return? Is this all of us? Then who are those who Jesus talks about that will not ALL pass away?

[@randyman1739]

Brother John for one, our brother and companion in the tribulation (Rev 1:9 & 10), and some who are well hidden n off the grid.

[@joelundquist2985]

Thank you for this teaching brother Joel! I love Jesus Christ and can’t wait to see him🙏. At the moment I am having much anxiety though knowing how close we are to being beheaded by the harlot, or if we make it past the harlot, then by the beast. It just seems so odd to be going to work everyday and doing normal family things knowing that most everyone on this channel will be beheaded within the next few years or so. Very few Christians will make it past the harlot and beast systems. I’m praying that the Lord takes away the pain of that moment and it will be like Steven when he was being stoned, his focus was already on Jesus before he physically died. I guess I’m not as tough as most on this channel who seem fine about our impending martyrdom. I’m just trying to be honest and transparent here. I’m staying in God’s Word for encouragement. God bless you all in the mighty name of Jesus!

[@carolyndice2425]

YES!! Amen and HALLELUJAH!

[@beaufauria7911]

Amen! The unlogical teaching about the "tribulation saints" is one of the main reasons I finally rejected the pre-trib doctrine. Excellent job. And I loved the part where you started preaching!

[@allthingsbing1295]

What would be the point of Paul writing 1 thess 5:23 to first century people if the return of Christ was over 2000 years away?? It would be meaningless

[@alexashworth3119]

​@@allthingsbing1295 It almost seems as if there are believers persecuted before the said rapture and after. Do you know any good videos exploring the subject without hard bias? Thanks 👍

[@nasesplace]

Maranatha, much faster if the masses can hear the voice of the Father.

[@SpiritReboot]

They will say all those other words are referring to the Jewish people who became believers after The Church is gone.

[@shawns4365]

If you look at the word “saints” in the Greek, it is used all through the New Testament (for example - opening letter of Ephesians: “to the saints in Ephesus”) including revelation.

[@perry900]

One day at a time sweet Jesus.

[@TheRedneckVyonder]

Thank you. Even back when I was a pretribber, I always found this argument silly.

[@spearcarrier9595]

Good message brother.

[@kevinunger433]

Around 17:00 you’re talking about the pre-tribers saying God wouldn’t let his bride to be beaten. All the apostles were martyrs for Christ. And I always say so where is the rapture for these Christians being killed in Asia and the Middle East right now.

[@ingognito369]

Roght,@2600 christans die daily for their faith in Christ

[@diane5855]

Teaching is true, there is no pre; mid Tribulation. We gather back to Jesus when He returns to earth on. Mt. of Olives , 2 Thessalonians 2. And 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52

[@jamesmcallister9645]

Mark 9:24 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it ,but whoever loses his life for me will save it . ( EXPECTING TO BE RAPTURED OUT OF THIS WORLD IS CONTRARY TO THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE. ) GLORY TO GOD.