Why Is This Imperial General's Death A Controversy?

[@colinschmitz8297]

I hear after Hoth, He moved to a different tyrannical ally of the Empire seeking for this mysterious cup that would have given him eternal life. He was warned that he must choose wisely for the true cup would give him eternal life but a false one would take it from him. He chose... poorly.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@colinschmitz8297 the two factions are almost a lateral move haha

[@NorthGaReptile]

Really? I heard that he got transported to some distant world with irregular seasons inhabited by civilizations that had no knowledge of the technology apparent throughout the rest of the galaxy. Knowing he couldn't leave the planet, he decided to go into medicine and eventually worked his way up to becoming a grand maester in King's Landing.

[@DavidLaster-nr4uv]

@@colinschmitz8297 admiral ozzel and general veers aren’t dead, they just went to Germanyx and formed the Nazi party

[@colinschmitz8297]

@DavidLaster-nr4uv like I said, moved to a different tyrannical ally of the empire.

[@alanmartin6436]

Was that in Kings Landing?

[@michaelhviper]

I read that his legs were crushed, he was put in a hover chair and was later sent on a suicide mission. His son Zev joined the rebellion. This is legends.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@michaelhviper awesome, thank you. I didn't find that part of the story

[@burpreynolds3250]

His legs weren’t crushed. I seen somewhere that one of them snow creatures smacked him in the face real bad and hurt his feelings. My friend Ricky said he prolly retired after that because he’d prolly be pretty upset.

[@michaelhviper]

@@burpreynolds3250 His legs were crushed. It was just in Legends continuity that it happened. (As I stated) It states that in Wookiepedia in the Legends tab. However, you are right as well. What you told me transpired in the New Cannon/Disney Cannon. When Disney bought out Star Wars a lot of things in the timeline changed.

[@Schorfsee]

@@michaelhviper wasnt it like: He got crippled, but took inspiration from Vader who kept going on despite hjs damaged body?

[@michaelhviper]

@@Schorfsee Pretty much. I forgot this but also in legends he was demoted to captain. Also before hoth his wife died. So for a time he had really good life for an Imperial having both a thriving career and a family until she died and his son defected. Makes you feel bad for him.

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

General Veers is not dead. He is alive and well (though a lot older now) and living a new life as Grand Maester Pycelle on the GOT planet.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@jenniferbrewer5370 great pull. I never made that connection at all

[@DavidLaster-nr4uv]

He chose poorly.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

So Northern Ireland then...

[@Mahoneyyay]

Wow I..never knew that before crazy

[@PhantomObserver]

I’d suggest that Veers’ injuries essentially invalided him out of the service. He later encountered a species called the Jagaroth; one member managed to swipe part of his DNA for experiments that wound up sending him and his crew to a young planet, where their hyperspace drive was damaged. Attempting to relaunch, the ship’s explosion ruptured a rift in the space-time continuum, splitting the surviving Jagoroth into several entities and merging his DNA with Veer’s, resulting in a multidimensional being named Count Scarlioni.

[@alisterfolson]

What happened to General Veers? "He chose poorly." Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade

[@nucleargandhi3759]

Wanna say he was forced off of the front lines do to his injury, but still held a command role until he was forced on a suicide mission during the dark empire series for his legends status,

[@colcommissar23]

"Don't even worry about it Darius, because I'm a mile high and I'm the scariest" -Hostiles on the hill.

[@merafirewing6591]

I read the original trilogy books and remembered a Rebel Snowspeeder rammed into General Veers's AT-AT.

[@giladpellaeon1691]

Actually met him at Ricomiccon several years back, Julian Glover also played Donovan in "Last Crusade" and Grand Maester Pycelle in GoT plus he played a Bond villain. It was very cool to meet him, got a pic with him and a cool autographed print which he wrote "That's me" pointed to the cockpit of the AT-AT on it.

[@Torgo1001]

Also, Glover played Scaroth/Count Scarlioni in the classic Doctor who episode "City of Death." Countess Scarlioni: [referring to the Fourth Doctor] "My dear, I don't think he is as stupid as he seems." Count Scarlioni: "My dear, nobody could be as stupid as he seems."

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

That's an awesome autograph haha. You really do it right at RICC

[@darkzak47]

He was a Bond Villain too in “For Your Eyes Only”

[@eddhardy1054]

​@@Torgo1001 & he had a marvellously violent butler

[@cyrusq5999]

Like Admiral Piett, General Veers should have been back for RETURN OF THE JEDI.

[@George_M_]

The ewoks may have lost then.

[@motmot8879]

Piett was the one commanding the executor at endor and died there

[@barr4ckObama240]

@@motmot8879no he was in the super Star destroyer and died when it fell into the Death Star

[@motmot8879]

@barr4ckObama240 he died earlier when an A wing crashed into his bridge

[@Luthiart]

"Take it easy Darrius, 'cause I'm a mile high and I'm the scariest." - General Veers

[@Irobert1115HD]

fun fact: the walker cockpit scene from the empire strickes back is actually the only time we see regular imperial troops.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

You mean enlisted but not in a full covered uniform with helmet like a Stormtrooper or Snowtrooper? That's pretty cool. I wonder why.

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@imperialremnantpodcast nope. the tankers in that scene are all regular troops with the storm troopers being kinda a mix of military police and space marines. we only see the stormys more oftne because well: most of the battles in star wars are either classified as anti terror operations or take place on essential instalations of the empire. same with 40k and the astartes: seems like they are everywhere evn thou there are about 2 million at max.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Irobert1115HD That's really awesome. Never knew that.

[@evantheman4683]

A counterargument would be with the death star troopers being the first regular troops as they were basically naval security forces and not storm troopers but I totally see your point.

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@evantheman4683 the interesting thing here is that the storm troopers on the death star miss by quite small margins wich suggests that they are on order to miss.

[@Tracks2008]

Funnily enough the original idea was Veers never saw the shield generator destroyed as his walker was the one we see getting its head blown off in the film. The movie however changed that to him being the one to destroy the generator and he made it out not only alive but completely unharmed. His AT-AT never took any damage at all as after destroying the generator he had it turn to leave.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Tracks2008 the deleted scene has Hobbie kamikaze Veers walker. So many ways it could've gone.

[@Tracks2008]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Yeah Lucas always had problems with his stories and they just got worse after the OT.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Tracks2008 Some of the dialogue and stuff is a bit clunky in the prequels but the mythology and lore is very strong.

[@Tracks2008]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Nah it breaks the lore everywhere. I mean Lucas singlehandedly made the Empire the good guys for crying out loud. In the prequels it is revealed the Empire is only a more militaristic version of the Republic. Nothing else changed. Well except the former Republic leader before Palpatine wasn't as evil.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@Tracks2008 I never got that reading from the prequels. I thought it was a Republic that lost its way and let money infiltrate their government. Shows how fragile a democracy can be. I thought that was intentional but maybe I projected into it

[@WillowExpensive6636]

I loved the design of his armor so much when i was a kid. Great vid ! Cant wait for the Aphra transmission 🤩

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@WillowExpensive6636 looks very German military to me. WW1 and 2. Which it probably was haha. I gotta get the Aphra one done. I read the whole comic omnibus and absolutely loved it

[@originaluddite]

The Kenner 'ATAT Commander' action figure was definitely one of the best.

[@rgreed20081]

Genral Veer would have been given a lot of credit for the battle. Simply by doing his assignment to destroy the Generators. Likely as a result of his duties, Veer was sent on another assignment to do what he does best. Leading troops into battle. Like some warriors have always wanted to do to died in service of the Empire. General Veer had died fighting in an important battle against the Rebellion. In others, he had died as a result of leading his troops into battle. Likely Darth Vader had sent a letter to Veer's family notifying them of Veer's death.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

This is the direction my mind goes too. A true believer in the cause and a leader of men he would keep along that path. I think even if the Legends story with him disabled is in the mix, he would be in a forward operating base somewhere doing what he could strategy wise, as close to his men as possible.

[@eMYNOCK]

i don't know how much canonical weight Games such as Force Commander from 2001 have but, according to that Game Veers made it all the way to Endor and survived even that to tell the Tale.

[@ElijahClark-it2rt]

Man I love STAR WARS…even a set of dice can have their own storyline and movies

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

Haha, EXACTLY.

[@ElijahClark-it2rt]

@@imperialremnantpodcast let’s see STAR TREK accomplish that…I mean there are dozens of Enterprises, but only Millennium Falcon

[@OnlyOneKenobi]

Great vid 👌

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@OnlyOneKenobi thank you! Great name, haha

[@OnlyOneKenobi]

@imperialremnantpodcast 🤣👍 thank you 😊 🙏

[@trekker3468]

Sounds like the empire did not have to worry to much about retirement expenses.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@trekker3468 haha. They probably weren't too concerned with anyone's well being beyond what they could do for the empire

[@vetchlurker]

Target, maximum fire power

[@station7thedoor]

Target, Maximillian firepower.

[@ghandimauler]

Missed one option: He got injured and was retired. Maybe he could still do some paper work or strategic stuff, but he'd just be sent home if you can't serve anymore.

[@keithdean9149]

General Veers was captured by the Rebel Alliance sometime after the destruction of the Second Death Star during the battle of Endor. After being put on trial for war crimes, he was convicted and sentenced to a lengthy prison term. Upon his release, he rejoined his wife and settled on a small moon within the inner rim. His memoirs went on to become a best sellerand allowed him and his wife to live comfortably for the remainder of their days.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@keithdean9149 solid fan fiction right there

[@Hypercube2017]

Somehow, Maximillian has returned.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Hypercube2017 hahaha

[@christosvoskresye]

Thanks for clarifying who Luke Skywalker was.

[@davexstuntman]

That cut of the Snowspeeder crashing into the cockpit of the ATAT did make it at the original release in Australia. I saw it at the cinema when I was about 13 or 14. The cockpit exploded and it went down. Unlikely there were any survivors, my guess is it was sanitised in later versions or countries :)

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@davexstuntman that's really interesting. I wanna look into the why of that.

[@davexstuntman]

@@imperialremnantpodcast I though I might have imagined it as a kid when all the remakes came out but my my little brother just confirmed it. Maybe they thought they would save it for the final Endor scene in Ep#3

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@davexstuntman what's strange is when I was reading to research this video and read the scene was cut I would've sworn I saw it too. I figured maybe in a video game, stills of the deleted footage, or some other medium and my brain melded it with the movie haha

[@davexstuntman]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Disney has clouded our minds my friend. I was too young in 1977 when I saw Star Wars to know any better, but I know what I saw in 1984. It was before Luke got shot down. May the Force Be with You 🐸

[@jarrodbright5231]

I remember reading somewhere that Maximillian Veers was one of the founding members of the First Order...

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@jarrodbright5231 I hadn't seen that one. Could very well be out there

[@misterbrady100]

When military personnel are hurt badly enough, they are given a token retirement. Another possibility is Veers got a nice desk job and faded to obscurity.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@misterbrady100 he doesn't strike me as the retiring type but I can see him at a desk strategizing and wishing he was on the field

[@misterbrady100]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Yeah. Desk-deployment would be a kind of hell I imagine.

[@peterversionone]

After Hoth, The Empire tested a device that can send someone through time and space, and Veers changed his identity in this new galaxy in the future, died drinking from the fake cup of Christ

[@christopherwall2121]

Or he became Richard the Lionheart

[@oakandthepack4887]

Veers was a true Imperial hero. Long Live the Empire!

[@legothoron1]

long live the Empire

[@Senovitj]

​@@legothoron1 Hah, your empire lasted like 20 years 😂

[@ImprovedCameraman]

@Senovitj Mostly thanks they have a force sensitive (Luke) if they didn't. The first death star would never be destroyed (Yes han Solo has some involvement but if that spicific time it was a different rebel pilot his return would have been pointless)

[@Senovitj]

@ImprovedCameraman Manifesto - by Nemik There will be times when the struggle seems impossible. I know this already. Alone, unsure, dwarfed by the scale of the enemy. Remember this, Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly throughout the galaxy. There are whole armies, battalions that have no idea that they’ve already enlisted in the cause. Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward. And remember this: the Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empires’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege.

[@Senovitj]

@ImprovedCameraman That's like saying the Empire is only there due to force-sensitives (Palpatine, Darth Vader, Dooku and Maul).

[@TheWanderingFire]

Veers is not dead, he exists fragmented in multiple instances across thousands of years, all working together in unison toward the goal of undoing the centuries between them.

[@PS0722]

Great follow up of an under rated character...thanks!

[@jedijoe84]

I was always told like in the script he was supposed to die but they scrapped that scene because they thought they might bring him back in another film.

[@feanol22]

I heard an interesting different take on Admiral Ozzel, that was he was actually a rebel sympathizer and dropped out of hyperspace purposely close to give a chance them a chance. What you guys thing?

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@feanol22 I'll be working on an ozzel video this coming week and will definitely look into that. I tend to think it was just more imperial arrogance. They thought because they had the bigger toys they'd always win. Time after time they under estimated the rebels

[@wallaroo1295]

*What if, instead of what we got with Last Jedi - we found that SNOKE, was Veers - scarred and disfigured from the AT-AT incident.* The actor who played Veers, certainly has some Snoke-like features, particularly his eyes.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@wallaroo1295 wouldn't be my first choice but at least it would've been a choice and a background

[@Falloutgamer347]

I have always believed that if he was meant to have died they would have kept that scene in the movie, since it was cut i believe he did survive

[@JReed7560]

I used to think he was played by Sting, the singer.

[@galexeqe]

7:38 the novelization written at the same time as the movie script which had a scene of his death planned but never shot, says he died. He's dead, that's good enough me, let's not "He survived......................✋somehow🤚" That's been done and it was as lame then as all those times when an entire plot or season was "all just a dream"

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@galexeqe the dream thing is the worst haha

[@Commodore22345]

Novelizations of the films are considered a "lower tier" of canon than the films themselves. That means whenever there is a contradiction between multiple sources of canon, the "higher tier" source of canon is the one that is to be taken as fact. As such, the films do not explicitly show Veers being killed, thus he is not dead.

[@Mothman_Studios]

My head canon is that he did such an excellent job that vader let him go on vacation after the battle of hoth. Imo you can't have a character like veers go out like how canon and legend say he did.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Mothman_Studios I imagine he had a long career. Maybe helped with the second death star, but probably stayed infantry

[@greghensley4130]

I think it would be interesting since Julian Glover is still alive for Veers to show up in the Thrawn story arc. I know his age probably does not match up very well but he would be interesting paired with Thrawn. Veers to me has always been unique in that he is shown as one of the few Imperial officers that is truly competent at his job..which makes his survival much more plausible.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@greghensley4130 I'm all for that. The age shouldn't matter. It's fantasy and time is relative, especially with the story in multiple galaxies. That'd be a really cool character to bring back and open the flood gates for novels and comics on veers

[@greghensley4130]

@@imperialremnantpodcast agreed. It would be an interesting way to bring in a legacy character with a purpose. A professional soldier working with the greatest tactical mind in the galaxy. Sounds like a franchise to me.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@greghensley4130 I love this haha. It could bridge the gap between the original movies and Thrawn and really show Thrawn as a tactician. For people who only know him through Ahsoka he's only scary because Hera says so.

[@ruledtrendy5066]

The reed in the storm analogy sounds suspiciously like a saying from Dune

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@ruledtrendy5066 it probably goes back to Sun Tzu or something haha. Lucas was a big Dune fan, based on rumors anyway, so very possible.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

And then Veers drank from the wrong Grail…..

[@lampshade6967]

It’s possible he was injured then given a desk job

[@ChrisUnderwood6567]

Ozell may have been the operational superior to Veers, but not necessarily superior to Veers in rank. Admiral = General Vice Admiral = Lt General Rear Admiral (or RADM Upper Half) = Maj General Commodore (or RADM Lower Half) = Brigadier General

[@societyofroodest.590ad9]

General Veers was an awesome general. He is sorely missed.

[@MancoDanko]

All I know is that he was successful in squashing the Rebel scum in Hoth. He destroyed the shield generators!

[@Nephalem2002]

No no, he got Isekai’d into the Indiana Jones World and became a Treasure Hunter, later dying in The Last Crusade.

[@lesigh1749]

Nonsense, he retired to Westeros and became Grand Maester in king landing.

[@NyanLinHtet-j2f]

there is a canon story where new republic special forces were sent to geonosis to stop the imperials from activating a droid factory to use against the new republic similar to the lego story veers is in, so it could be canon to a degree minus the silliness of Lego cartoons

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

Do you know the name of the story? Sounds cool.

[@MasterCrash123]

Vader was notorious for detesting his officers, viewing them as 'privilaged elites' who let their troops do the dirty work for them. I'll bet Veers was one of the few Vader actually respected.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@MasterCrash123 that's a solid analysis. Makes a lot of sense

[@christopherwall2121]

Veers and Needa were basically the only of his commanders he had any respect for, from what I recall. Even Clone officers early in the Empire weren't safe from Vader's wrath (though to be fair, it WAS Fox, and screw Fox)

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@christopherwall2121 I liked Anakin as a general in the Clone Wars. I can see him being disappointed in the Imperial Military since they didn't have the skill or dedication. Plus as Vader he kept himself in anger and misery to channel the dark side

[@Commodore22345]

@@imperialremnantpodcast "I liked Anakin as a general in the Clone Wars." I liked him as a soldier in the Clone Wars. However, much like every other Jedi during the Clone Wars, Anakin was entirely unqualified to be a military officer, let alone a general officer. He definitely adapted to the war and the military lifestyle better than most other Jedi, but if I were a soldier in the Republic, I would not feel confident with him as my commanding officer.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@Commodore22345 I see your point. He was constantly doing wild and risky stuff. He had his mens backs and saw them as people not expendable assets though. I appreciated that

[@donaldwilson4451]

KRISTATOS!

[@anthony_obrien4080]

Got made TPI and went home to his family and now marches every anniversary of the destruction of the first DS on his home world and plays two up whilst drinking intergalactic gargle blasters with his mates...

[@christopherwall2121]

Veers is Schrodinger's General, and it's all thanks to his death being but and Lucas' hands-off approach to Legends canon.

[@ID-9999]

It shouldnt even have done anything when the snowspeeder crashed into the cockpit as the heavy fire havent even scratched the armor of the walker

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@ID-9999 that's true. The neck was the only external weakness and even that was shielded

[@toad1er]

They nailed Veers. The new Star Wars wants to show almost all the Imperial officers as incompetent or stupid almost comical. The actor with very little time shows you that Veers is a capable and frontline officer (A Badass). The scene where Vader tells Gen.Veers to prepare his men, Veers has to look toward the Admiral after Vadar walks away and gets the "official' order because Vader is a type of Inquisitor. The military attention to detail in the Original Trilogy is underrated.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@toad1er the military details really are underrated. I thought Hux was great in Force Awakens. Wish they kept his character that insane true believer

[@christopherwall2121]

​@@imperialremnantpodcast I thought it was fun how _The Last Jedi_ reversed his dynamic with Kylo Ren by the end, getting much snippier and more sarcastic with his new Supreme Leader as Kylo quickly became more and more unglued. Sure would have been nice to have a ninth movie that did something interesting with their rivalry, weird that Disney stopped at eight, oh well.

[@SingleSpaceMedia]

No one’s ever really gone

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@SingleSpaceMedia in this case that's good but I don't want death to be meaningless in star wars like it is in super hero comics haha

[@CHRF-55457]

Veers got stuck in a wheelchair and forced to retire or so I hear.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@CHRF-55457 hopefully they at least gave him a hover chair

[@robertlamey7612]

Why not get robot legs leg all the others

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@robertlamey7612 very good point. especially for a leader of his caliber. just make him a cyborg for whatever injury

[@ScaricoOleoso]

Shaak Ti: The only Jedi to die before, during, and after Order 66. 🤣

[@frankshailes3205]

Julian Glover. What a wonderful actor!

[@Willpower-74205]

Maximilian Veers seems to be the Schrodinger's cat of the Star Wars universe. Is he alive? Is he dead? Is he still active in the Imperial Army or did he retire? Someone really needs to write a novel about his life (taking the events of ESB and other canon sources into account, of course) and give him a proper ending. 😎👍

[@paulanerruhrpott6188]

Only the movies count. He was not killed

[@originaluddite]

The story of Captain Beylo reminds me of the similar tragic tale of Colonel von Stauffenberg.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@originaluddite those are real people i take it?

[@originaluddite]

@@imperialremnantpodcast He attempted to kill Hitler with a suitcase bomb.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@originaluddite Oh awesome. Is that what Valkyrie was about?

[@originaluddite]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Exactly. It was a better movie than I had expected. But then that happens a lot with Tom Cruise movies. I keep thinking of him as a trashy actor but then he keeps choosing interesting things to be in.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@originaluddite He may be insane in real life but he knows how to make a movie haha. I'm loving the Mission Impossible franchise (not the second one)

[@johnnieepps9039]

General Veers prepare your men !!!

[@AdmiralBlackstar]

FYI, you pronounced Executor wrong. You kinda pronounced like executioner, which is weird. It's actually " ig-ZEK-yoo-tur", kinda like executive.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@AdmiralBlackstar you are correct on that. I get all jumbled on these and sometimes don't realize it until the edit

[@timmo971]

It’s just a movie guys

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@timmo971 a great movie

[@DK-zy5fm]

Because grand maester Pycelle was Cersei's creature

[@springtrapstarwar5557]

He is my favorite character of all time. The deleted seane doesn't count

[@DRGEngineer]

im sad that he dies because hes overpowered as hell in Empire at War

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@DRGEngineer I liked that game a lot

[@smileydog5941]

One of coolest guys in the OT.

[@maestro-zq8gu]

Maybe he retired with his family with that fat imperial pension!

[@mattobrien7794]

Veers is a legend

[@reesejabs1895]

It still amazes me that they hadn't developed a cruise missile by then. It took a lucky shot by Luke to destroy the death star?

[@Barada73]

We never saw Veers die onscreen in Empire Strikes Back, so he's alive. Period. If the shooting scripts are to be treated like canon, then Owen Lars would still be Obi-Wan's brother. On a side note, I guess I'm just going to have to accept the fact that every young Star Wars fan (by "young" I mean people where clearly weren't old enough to watch the Original Trilogy during its initial theatrical run) is going to mispronounce AT-AT as "aytee aytee" when it should just be "atat" (or @@). That's how it was pronounced in the original Kenner commercial and that's how acronyms work in the real world. Thus, "atat" is the only proper pronunciation.

[@vger9084]

I thought a wounded Hobbie rammed Veer's AT-AT with his Snowspeeder?

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@vger9084 that's one version for sure

[@trippy2767]

The scene in ESB where Luke destroys a walker by throwing a grenade into it, you see the head of the walker explode (not sure how a grenade in the body would do this). That was originally supposed to be a snowspeeder crashing into the head. A story board for the scene was made and parts were filmed, the exploding head being one of them.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@trippy2767 I always looked past the logic for how cool it was for Luke to do that haha

[@nekophht]

If that was true, then Hobbie wouldn't be able to get up to shenanigans with Wes in the X-wing novels. So clearly, it's not true, because those novels are fantastic. ;) That being said, with the World Between Worlds being a thing in current Canon, it's entirely possible that both things are true, if in different worlds. I'm not sure which way I'd go on Veer's survival myself.

[@angie99656]

He chose . . . poorly.

[@mytzlplk]

I go with the novelization. Veers died. Compelling character, but they can die, too.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

Absolutely with you on compelling characters dying. Being a fantasy series I don't need Game of Thrones level deaths but I think some mid tiers need to get knocked off now and then to keep the suspension of disbelief going.

[@bartsullivan4866]

I hate the idea that Veers dies by a land speeder if anything what made the Empire Strikes Back great is that he was a competent capable commander. I love the scene he blasts the hell out of a speeder easily with the AT-AT. No man this badass would be taken out so easily. Also, Vader personally seems to have confidence in Veers very unlikely he would have killed him. Far too often in SW the Imperial Forces seem to be clowns with Benny Hill music playing instead of a well-run machine by capable commanders. I really disliked the Solo movie as well not showing Han making progress excelling in the Imperial Acadamy and makes a conscious decision to throw it all away to save the Wookie's. Same thing with all the Rogue Squadron books you can't just have aces on 1 side and not the other. There are always hero's on both side of any war. Would have been cool to see him leading ground troops on Endor might have won that battle over the primitive Ewoks.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@bartsullivan4866 I'm with you the villains are more threatening when competent. Of course the heroes will always win but the triumph is sweeter when they have to really try haha. I hope they do Thrawn right going forward. They're doing good in animation. Live action he hasn't done much yet. I liked the Solo movie a lot but I'm with you. A bit more development and conscious choice would've gone a long way

[@bartsullivan4866]

I just liked the idea of Han beating Lando fair and square for the Falcon no cheating or tricks that version of Han has him stumbling into everything instead of being capable. Also to bring back Maul at the end was the biggest Disney thing ever no villain can ever truly die and stay dead, cheapens death drives me nuts.​@imperialremnantpodcast

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@bartsullivan4866 I thought Han out swindling a swindler was very Han haha. Maul was back in the animated series prior to Disney and Lucas's sequel trilogy had Maul as a major role so that didn't bother me. I do overall agree that no one dies and it lowers the stakes like with super heroes

[@ImYourOverlord]

It's ex-EC-u-tor, not EX-e-cutor.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@ImYourOverlord I know, I messed that one up haha

[@allenharper2928]

Exeggutor Oddish Exeggutor Oddish Exeggutor Oddish

[@ImYourOverlord]

@@allenharper2928 Oddish?

[@ImYourOverlord]

@@imperialremnantpodcast I've heard it from some others, too. Probably hasn't been made obvious enough in the lore.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@ImYourOverlord sadly I knew the pronunciation but going through with the teleprompter and the spelling being the same, it's just about emphasis, I glossed over it and didn't realize it until the edit when it was too late

[@joemck74]

How is a general - who commands a star destroyer - driving an armoured assault vehicle a 'coveted' position. It sounds more like punishment.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@joemck74 the AT-AT program was a good posting for the infantry. I do see your point though. Commanding a super star destroyer, especially Vader's, seems way higher haha.

[@ChrisUnderwood6567]

A star destroyer is commanded by an imperial navy officer, usually a captain. The various officer grades of general are imperial army officers. Veers was leading his imperial army soldiers from the front.

[@station7thedoor]

This. Army vs Navy.

[@kencooper8835]

generals don't command star destroyers, captains do that, admirals command fleets, and generals command GOUND troops,

[@apawstate]

The pronunciation of Executor is the same as executor of one's estate. It's not pronounced the way executioner is.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

I know, I botched it. Since they're spelled the same I just went with the flow and didn't realize I messed it up until the edit. Will be correct going forward.

[@gm.sytheus1701]

The only thing I remember about General Veers is that old joke where you replace certain words with “Pants” eg.. “General Veers, prepare your pants for ground assault “. Enjoy finding other parts of script that you can do this too.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@gm.sytheus1701 haha. Never heard that one

[@jbird976]

Yeah luke may have killed millions but look who his father was. Those are big shoes to fill and even bigger numbers to out up. Especially considering vaders significant head start. I think this is the real reason for luke trying to get “ANIKIN” back. With vader gone he had it in the bag. Especially after the mk ultra job he did on his nephew and the numbers killed by proxy. What a mad lad!

[@Crotal_Karma]

ex-sec-you-tor

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Crotal_Karma I know I know. Messed it up, haha. Thanks for watching.

[@JoeDirte157]

He died choosing poorly..

[@GameFactsSpecial]

Ooo nice gains.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@GameFactsSpecial don't know why but I'll take it! Haha. Gotta figure it out quick

[@ScaricoOleoso]

He died by drinking from the wrong grail in The Last Crusade. 🤓

[@jsizemo]

05:12 Ozzel was a secret rebel insider!

[@Skarrz72]

Wow, if Star Wars had Appendices like Lord of The Rings, this video should be in there. Nicely done. I did have a Book about all the Star Wars Characters and what film or other books, I think, were in, but sold all my Star Wars Books years ago. That book was like a Glossary.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Skarrz72 I have two versions of that character book still. They put them out frequently now haha. I have a set of star wars encyclopedias and I'll literally read it line by line and write down entries to dive into for videos Thanks for watching and huge compliment!

[@jsizemo]

The difference was that this franchise was conceived to be cinematic from the get go, not a novel or book franchise. I don’t think Lucas really had the temperament for writing appendices.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@jsizemo I'd wager not haha. He just wanted to edit his movies far as I know.

[@TedBundi-nj8nt]

Not watching but you better bring up that je died in a deleted scene.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@TedBundi-nj8nt that's the main talking point

[@namelesswhocares8648]

It's grand Master pycelle !!!

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@namelesswhocares8648 Maester, but I'm guessing auto correct got in the way. Haha

[@johnmurdoch8534]

This sort of stuff is not necessary..sometimes less is more. I dont need to know these backstories or whatever to enjoy the films and infact too much of it kind of deflates them. The classic example is michael myers. He goes from being the mysterious shadow in 1 to being this over the top character with tons of lore around him.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

I agree in some cases. Like The Joker. I don't need an explanation, I like him being an embodiment of chaos. But in Star Wars I love diving as deep as possible into the lore

[@johnmurdoch8534]

@imperialremnantpodcast joker was okay as it did tell a story we werent sure of in a universe we werent sure was the batman one. I was okay with that. Although prequels all tend to have the same issue- i cant feel tension for characters if i already know where they end up. As to this..eh i like the idea of there being this vast universe of colorful characters without needing to know Lobots origin. Boba fett was so cool in empire and return..and he mostly just stood around.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@johnmurdoch8534 I didn't see the Joaquin Phoenix one. Not interested in rogues galleries without the hero. The exception being the penguin show i guess just because I've heard so much praise. The joker movie also looks like it's just deniros kind of comedy updated To each their own on the lore. Hopefully you can find some content you like on my channel but there are a LOT of lore deep dives haha. Anything specific to star wars you may be looking for?

[@johnmurdoch8534]

@@imperialremnantpodcast ill give a look sure! This just showed up in algorhthm.

[@RayHardman7567]

There is a deleted scene interspersed with story board art that shows the death of veers. Last I checked, it was considered canon.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@RayHardman7567 that's the whole controversy. Is it or not? I use Shaak Ti as an example of a deleted scene not being canon

[@RayHardman7567]

@imperialremnantpodcast well, yes. But it is confirmed canon by Lucas himself that the deleted scene of Skywalker killed shaak is canon. So I figure why not go a step further, and say that half a filmed deleted scene is canon?

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@RayHardman7567 absolutely it could be. There are no canon stories with him at this point so him dying there doesn't break anything. I don't think there is a definitive answer but it's fun to speculate

[@RayHardman7567]

@@imperialremnantpodcast as long as it's civil and both sides can agree, then I don't either.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@RayHardman7567 always. Appreciate the comments and you watching.

[@kencooper8835]

wait wait wait... it wasn't shown in the movie and therefore didn't happen?? So by that (FLAWED) logic, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are still alive and those toasty skeletons Luke found were just leftovers of what..? a Tusken Raider barbecue??? That when the Death Star exploded,, everyone on-board survived because we didn't get to see each and everyone of them die?? (either time) Shall i go on?

[@johnbattle7518]

Is this real Star Wars Canon or is it Disney fan fiction

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@johnbattle7518 the only part that was written after Disney is his outing with Aphra. The Aphra comics are really good for the most part. One arc I didn't care for

[@johnbattle7518]

@imperialremnantpodcast Ahh ok. I refuse to watch or read post Disney Star Wars lore. I literally dislike everything they've ever made with the exception of three scenes in Rogue One. Disliked the movie but not those scenes and of course Gina🥰

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@johnbattle7518 ah ok. I, of course, recommend to everyone to give it all a shot and see what you like the shows have been good for the most part. Comics are strong and a lot of the novels. The high Republic as a total stand alone venture has been largely good. I fully admit I can easily put up blinders on the parts I don't like to keep loving the franchise. I also totally agree on Gina Carano. That whole scenario is wrong

[@Luckmann]

Legends is canon,

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@Luckmann I'll take it all

[@bradybaker7650]

Anyone else get indy neidell vibes?

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@bradybaker7650 I wanted to make it feel as real as Dan Carlin's Hardcore history. I don't quite have his chops but thank you! Haha

[@The_Fat_Controller.]

Indy Neidell is always looking into the camera, not using the irritatingly tired style of looking into one camera while being filmed by another.

[@bradybaker7650]

@@imperialremnantpodcast its my first video of yours ive seen. It was a good watch.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@The_Fat_Controller. Ouch. Haha. I like having an angle to cut away to but I guess it's not for everyone.

[@The_Fat_Controller.]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Sorry. It's just a style I never liked to begin with, and I find it extremely annoying. Talk facing into the camera, period. My wife has always hated it, too, even before we met, so I imagine there are legions of people who despise the technique. Many of my friends have also made negative comments in the past about this style. Imagine having someone talking to you, but they refuse to face you. Every time my wife and I see someone use this technique, we are yelling at the screen "Who are you talking to?" and "Hey! We're over here, buddy!"

[@josesierraromero8316]

Veers. Such a cool imp.

[@jayceasar2661]

and i thought i knew star wars........jeeez

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@jayceasar2661 haha. Part of the reason on doing the channel is to learn a lot more. Daily i find stuff I never heard of.

[@jayceasar2661]

@@imperialremnantpodcast thanks for your knowledge wise one

[@SLagonia]

Executor, not executor.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@@SLagonia I botched it

[@SLagonia]

@@imperialremnantpodcast Until the prequels came out, I called the capital "Coris-Kant" so I'm not one to pass judgement.

[@imperialremnantpodcast]

@SLagonia haha. I appreciate that. I find editing painful on how badly I butcher words

[@jbird976]

Mentored by patch adams himself!

[@LandonOakley-d9c]

Its pronounced "Vee-Ears," not "Vears". Put some respekk on his name 😊

[@TokyoXtreme]

Ex-EC-u-tor

[@JMark-zk5pj]

This is just nonsense. He was just General Veers in the movie. All the rest is just made up garbage.