Why It’s Smarter to Invest in Patek.

[@TheoandHarris]

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[@WilliamTomFrank]

Just so you guys know there is a 3 month old KZbin channel going by the name “Text me on telegram” using your profile photo. It’s obviously scammers but thought you should know.

[@MrAumbra]

I have never sold a single watch. I just keep adding pieces. I don’t care about the cost or value because it’s about the chase and does it fit my taste. My boys will inherit my watches and that has far more value to me

[@mrlong6267]

I’m 💯 in the same boat as you Alex! Wear all your watches in good health 😉

[@ams914]

I sell mine because as I get more into this I choose quality over quantity, but mostly because I get anxiety about owning too many watches and not having time to wear them.

[@Paul_M109]

Same boat here!

[@dustingaddis2423]

@@ams914 same for me

[@morningwaves]

Only dumbass flippers care about the watch market

[@thegraciefighter102]

Sorry guys but I’m over these investment and pricing conversations. I’m fatigued by the watch markets and feel the enjoyment of ownership is disappearing

[@jdiluigi]

Agree with the fatigue. But personally I buy to wear and keep. So market decline is only a positive for me. I can buy more for less with prices down and greater supply BC of the sell off.

[@ViolinistWilliam]

100% agree.

[@jw.2507]

Grey market dealers, such as TH themselves, are the ones manipulating the market. They destroyed the game.

[@ErikL727]

Buy and wear what you love! That said, I look forward to Investment Bros panicking and leaving this industry.

[@07mpfromny]

Well said. It’s also exponentially increased the risks when wearing some of these great watches. Everyone is so aware of prices now, which is awful.

[@stephenlee7256]

A rising tide lifts all boats. On the other hand, when the tide goes out you see who is swimming naked. There are a lot of folks out there who bought these hype watches near the peak and are swimming without their skivies

[@stevesaka5371]

Gentlemen - first I enjoy the videos and they have prompted me to peruse the Theo & Harris website many times. But being a LARGE man, vintages watches seldom work for me. However, I buy straps often, multiple times a month, so I figured I could show my support by purchasing those from you. But like the vintage watches, all of your offered straps are on the short side - I decided to gamble on your Raw Iron Single Pass as it appears to be one of the longest. I received it yesterday and it is gorgeous, love the look and feel, but it is also short - I literally had to vigorously hand stretch it to use the last hole. For reference, I do not have a monster wrist - larger than some, but smaller than others - measures 7.25” - I want you to know I really believe you are leaving a lot of business on the table by only making short straps. I love the look of your straps, the quality of the one I just received is exquisite and I want to secure more, but due to length I can not. Hoping you might consider expanding your length options in the future. Keep up the good work!

[@avarmauk]

How long have you been a couple?

[@germichte]

34:53 "It's rocksolid! At least for now!" Not what you want to hear regarding a longterm investment ;-)

[@GeordsYouTube]

buy something for retail then sell it for a much higher markup is scalping, but if you wait just a short time its called "investing".

[@katherinelangford981]

I read an interesting comment from someone that watches are being used like the art industry was to move illegal money. And that it's easier because a watch fits in the pocket, isn't as readily looked at when crossing borders and stuff like gold, cash, a painting would be. You can pop a $50,000 watch on a wrist and few may notice but with cash it's going to draw scrutiny. They surmised an increase in crime, and moving money is why we saw over the last 5 years such a rise in watch values. It was an interesting take to me, and one I hadn't heard before. So instead of using a Monet to launder money they now use a Patek.

[@mikec3454]

That Club is sharp!

[@BabyJesus66]

I don't understand whyayaya

[@jethrojacinto2798]

I seriously hope we get more than a correction when it comes to the secondary/grey market. The investment people has seriously ruined this hobby for us genuine watch enthusiasts and it’s time for them to get hurt in the long term.

[@capedoryus]

Would I watch one or all of your watch commercials? Big Yes. Where can you find them? I'm lookin

[@Nefville]

Did you guys do that Nomos video that's been on YT for a year or two, just depicts the watches being assembled? The sound design on that video is probably the best I've ever seen, and I hardly even know what that is. Made quite the impression.

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

I had to skip the investment segment. The watches I buy are lifers in my collection so resale value is absolutely 💯 irrelevant to me but I always do research on the watches I buy so I know what I'm getting into. Imop the research is the fun part

[@Nathan.W1696]

yes! the hunt/chase is always more fun

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

@@Nathan.W1696 Agreed 👍 the set up/ plotting before the kill is definitely the fun part for me

[@douglaslee85]

With the current prices.. I don't see myself buying any watches anytime soon.. Prices in the open market is just crazy..

[@jact12]

AP auction was caught in the recent dip on the watch market. Imagine they had this auction at the beginning of 2022.

[@VinRom19]

Why isn't there any Jazz about Patek Annual calendars?

[@paultrinca]

Crazy to me as well Vinny, been eyeing a few.. they're stunning IMO, hoping to add a white gold one to my collection soon. Cheers, -Paul from Remont

[@JacobThebaultSpieker]

The word you’re looking for for that Nomos is “blurple”

[@TheKreattion]

periwinkle is a Rolly (from T&H) Certified watch term

[@Referencez]

That was the one of the funniest openers before the intro I've ever seen in these vids

[@joegil8955]

Yo who's the curator of the Theo and Harris watch shop??

[@extremeuzer3]

Wait neither if you guys are Theo or Harris???

[@Bubblebud8]

Where can you get that strap on the Jump Hour?

[@MoonfaceMartin88]

You guys are really good at believable ad-inserts. Well... it IS your job after all.

[@asimsefo4353]

Hello, Johannes

[@johanneshansen483]

Invested in Omega 😛

[@saamarthyepratapsingh3400]

That looks like a retro levi's denim blue

[@jamieopulence]

Patek is King

[@cdsea2669]

Shorter videos would be good?

[@TheAmbitiousPeasant]

Some art buyers are "avoiding taxes".

[@MoonfaceMartin88]

Most art-buyers are gaming the market. Some also appreciate the art itself, too. A few do it for their love of the art alone. If only the latter were the case, a Picasso would be 50-100k, maybe half a million on the high end. With speculation, it's up to 115 million.

[@lordnass381]

everyone should avoid tax, I do not understand your shit comment

[@IntellectualTerritory]

You can only wish to invest in patek from the dealer those dreams are gone

[@BryanDBraddy]

Ayyyy!

[@freen773]

won't forgive nomos for discontinuing their best line

[@zulu6ix290]

French grey

[@ICYMIKE]

$4.65 Million It's an important piece of history.

[@diemes5463]

Demolishing that table...

[@Idk-dd2gn]

I’m not very smart but I really think it’s not a time to not buy any watch, keep your money. The price of these items has become tremendously inflated over the past two years and I think we’re at the peak. Retail sales have been falling as people anticipate the recession, its only going to get worse, this will effect watches too. People will have to start charging less if they want to keep selling watches through the coming recession. These current prices are ludicrous and everybody can see it, it’s only a matter of time before things decrease. The only things I think are safe to say will keep their value are classic patek (not the nautilis) vacheron and lange pieces (with some exceptions obviously). Vintage Rolex will not stay at the extortionate prices they are now. I’m not saying prices are going to plummet but I really don’t think they’ll keep going up, so if you’re buying an expensive watch with hopes to sell it for a profit in a few years don’t bother.

[@ameeral-shammaa9012]

The whole talk is kind of detached from reality… a guy who buys a Patek for 2.7 mill is not really interested in the amount it’s going to appreciate even if it triples over 10 years. This is not a guy who has 10 mill in cash and decided to invest 2.7 mill in a watch. This is usually a billionaire who is interested in spending the cash overflow that doesn’t find any place to invest in such cold assets. You can make a bigger margin of profit than 300% over 10 years. Imagine if he spent these 2.7 mill in bitcoin or stock market or real estate. His margin of profit would be higher. Upper middle class or millionaires should have much better plans to invest their money than to buy a Patek…

[@afinch1992]

I get where the “I never sell anything, because I’m an enthusiast” is coming from, but I personally enjoy the investment section of the video (also smart putting it at the end for the aforementioned crowd). If any of you bothered to actually listen to the whole thing they aren’t hyping Daytonas or flipping, nor lamenting their recent fall. If you have the means to spend 5, 6 or even 7 figures on a watch and immediately believe the value is $0 that’s great. That’s also not the situation of 99.99% of people. They are shedding light on two things. 1) You can find great pieces that have a “safety net” should your situation change 2) Midlevel vintage of established brands can be both enjoyable and an investment even when watch values are getting stratospheric in the modern and high-end game I have personally been burned enough by some watches that I like to concentrate on where value will stay long term. I like the ability to protect my initial capital should I need the money later on or if I just fall out of love with a piece. I’ve bought and sold pretty much every luxury watch I owned with the exception of 2 that have sentimental value. I got to enjoy the pieces until I wasn’t wearing them enough or needed to reallocate some capital and made enough to pay for my honeymoon. Variety is the spice of life and money is a tool for freedom; why not try to achieve both?

[@LiterateDuck]

Christian winding watch while on his wrist tells you everything you need to know about him.

[@loriosterweil982]

I sincerely hope that this drives the investors out for good!

[@gogoalakazam2973]

Wasting your money : no.1 - Patek no.2 - Rolex

[@tylerbetthauser7647]

A book called Tipping Points talks about how people who smoke tend to start and continue because of the emotional ties to the smells or memories of influential people in their lives. When you talk about the value of the short films you create, the logic seems to be backed up by some research.

[@RolexTimex]

Can we just consume things and throw them away

[@MultiGoodguy13]

Lol?

[@Nofold3]

Boom watch fam

[@JohnBertran]

What’s that watch on Christian’s wrist? Sort of looks like a Tank a Guichet but maybe isn’t? Love that design tho!

[@mikec3454]

It’s a vintage jump hour watch. Check his IG, I bet you can find wrist shot pics.

[@JohnBertran]

@@mikec3454 thx!

[@life.ofpaul]

'better' investment - Patek 'BEST' investment - Rolex

[@LlyleHunter]

I like the 1518

[@BobbyDazzler888]

You guys can’t predict sheet.

[@RolexTimex]

Patek Philippe Vacheron Constantin Rolex

[@14lamnc1]

Just buy a 2499 and call it a day

[@patrickhychin]

Guys, pls don't expose these vintage watches to unnecessary crazy price hike like modern watches. Vintage pieces are owned by real collectors and never intended as investment watches. Appreciation of movement, design, history and brand legacy are main factors in selecting these watches.

[@jayceh]

Vintage AP best performing brand last 3 years. Patek will do fine, but AP was undervalued (now properly valued).

[@jal2550]

Why dont you guys EVER talk about Lange???? ENOUGH with Patek, my God!

[@mikec3454]

Agreed! ALS is the German Patek and frankly, criminally underrated in comparison to the “holy trinity”.

[@luismiguelmaroto4730]

For $800, I can make that sketch for you Christian.. DM me ;)

[@MrKeaneNg]

$5m+

[@RolexTimex]

Ralph Lauren Polo Bear automatic watches are worth collecting. Trust me. I knew about Patek in the early 90s. Only well-educated cultured people that listen to classical music wore it.

[@Noah-ts9dy]

Even with the fluctuation in the economy, I’m so excited I’ve been earning $45,000 from my $10,000 investment everyday 10days.

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[@miu6608]

It really is amazing how all these people turned up to post their first ever comment on this channel about how amazing this crypto investor is. Definitely not coordinated at all.

[@Super3xtr4]

Spam pls report

[@sharmakea3116]

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[@upleverage7060]

Love the video, but vintage Audemars trumps Patek in all the categories you site. AP's were not made in series, so they are harder for collectors to understand - but far more rare.

[@Alberto250212]

You know whats smarter? Not stealing money from THE C U R A T O R of the T&H Watch shop

[@luislesher2702]

Michael looks tired…

[@mohnnadmercedes8246]

Never cared about those pretentious stuff especially gerald ginta things ,, just massive overhyped crap for instagram rich hipsters

[@canada1966]

How about not investing in watches lmao

[@NigelJSandiford]

You guys used to be funny. Now you're sponsored.

[@QualityTimeWatches]

Invest in me christian🙋😎⌚️✌️

[@stevelangsdorf7307]

Guys the amount of time you spend talking about outside issues and social commentary, and investment possibilities is as someone else previously mentioned is fatiguing. PLEASE GET BACK TO TALKING TALKING ABOUT WATCHES. O r have you exhausted that topic or have you officially "JUMPED THE 🦈SHARK.