Why It's So Hard To Recycle Electric-Car Batteries | World Wide Waste

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An electric-car battery can weigh thousands of pounds. As more electric cars hit the road, the race is on to find a sustainable way to deal with these batteries once they die. One startup uses a high-tech shredding system to recycle battery waste. But it can't recover all the valuable metals from it just yet.
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[@paparoysworkshop]

Not wanting to tell what is done with a material is like saying, "it goes to the landfill".

[@resolveyeetlord8340]

Still, better in every way imaginable. Including speed and power. Obviously.

[@resolveyeetlord8340]

Not wanting to find solutions; and expecting everyone else to do it for you is rather “sad”

[@neilkurzman4907]

Or burned

[@ezg8448]

Exactly, recycled plastics generally are a losing money product unless government subsidized.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@ezg8448 Theoretically that should mean that manufacturers should have to Pay toward the recycling effort since they’re being subsidized by taxpayers. There are other issues involved. Plastics can’t be recycled indefinitely like aluminum or steel.

[@kimjanek646]

If history thought us one thing, it’s how we always replace one problem with another 😂😂

[@PeeosLock]

let future greater generations handle it ,we enjoy now 😂

[@carlosk8103]

It's crazy how inefficient recycling is.... This company says they are more advanced than most.. and it still wastes all the plastic and throws away more than half of the rare metals... That is very very disappointing....

[@linnen_elm]

Yea so you would rather not recycle at all? Like how inefficient computers at 80' are? Great

[@kbjosekiller]

Blame the manufacturer, they make it hard to recycle, making it hard to replace cells in the cars main battery, so that they can profit selling a brand new battery instead of repair/replace damaged cells

[@linnen_elm]

@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 why the heck would you disappointed at something that hasn't been there yet like- being sad about it is one thing but to be disappointed means that he/she lost respect at something, no? isn't that how english works? normally i won't be disappointed about us having no interstellar travel yet- I do also disappointed at humanity for failing to protect hundreds of endangered species. isn't that an example of using disappointed as a word (?)

[@houchi69]

Because you can't make good money from recycling. That's why.

[@imawesome1822]

New company ABTC . By shares while there cheap . The new factory is being built with their new technology a few miles away from the Tesla factory in Nevada .

[@thedolphin5428]

I knew an EV car designer. He was brilliant at MAKING such vehicles. But whenever asked "what happens to the Li batteries upon wrecking?" his response was always "not my expertise or my problem". Same same with all inventions. Vehicle CO2 .... not my problem. Steel and aluminium factory pollutants ... not my problem. Agricultural chemical run off ... not my problem. Oil drilling and refining ... not my problem. Supermarket packagers ... not my problem. Perhaps the solution might be to force all producers to be the end recyclers of their own products. Then we'd see some innovative economics of recycling.

[@mykeprior3436]

We'd see them sell off credits to each other in order to cheat the system akin to carbon credits. We'd see the price of cars skyrocketing and being subsidized for profit. We'd see range decrease and the cost of quality lithium skyrocket as they go after the miners themselves. Your solution is a pandora's box to killing EVs. If any modern transport company was responsible for their CO2 contribution in dollars, they wouldn't exist.

[@thedolphin5428]

@@mykeprior3436 Not true. There's a brilliant precedent. But I can't remember the country or company. But this really happened some decades ago. A company set up beside a river was drawing in fresh water from upstream, using it in production and then dumping its waste water downstream of itself. The people downstream got the shits with the unusable water. The government legislated one very simple law, that the company must draw its water from its downstream side and pump its effluent it on its upstream side. That's it. Very quickly, the company found ways not to polute.

[@gregoryhayes1272]

I’m sure this is 100% not fake news.

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

CO2 is plant food .. 0.04% of the atmosphere it takes up, it's what makes photosynthesis possible.. sigh... sad how many people show they failed basic science in school regarding CO2. *"What historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition, of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world - that CO2 the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison."* ~ Richard Lindzen, Ph.D. is an _[Alfred P. Sloan]_ Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

[@tthams73]

If you can’t recover the Li, there’s ZERO future for the EV.

[@evaone4286]

There was never any future in "climate change". Not only is it a hoax but so is trying to go full battery mode to say you're trying to help the planet

[@tthams73]

@@evaone4286 You give me hope! Thank god there’s still some people on this planet with critical thinking skills! ❤️

[@Brian-om2hh]

You can't recycle burnt petrol or diesel, but that didn't prevent ICE from becoming mainstream.....

[@pawel7196]

Didn't they say that the recycling centre that can recover EVERYTHING is being built?

[@tthams73]

@@pawel7196 🤣🤣. “They” say that! They just don’t tell you how toxic the process is and that what is actually recovered is next to nothing. The anode and cathode materials in a battery are consumable. The get used just like the gasoline you put in your tank. The only thing they can “recycle” is the remaining material. You cannot consume all of the anode and cathode material in a battery.

[@herculesbrofister265]

Is an Effiel Tower a new unit of measurement or have i just not heard of it until now?

[@kenbakker3241]

It is a French scientific unit of measure equal to 2.56 leaning towers of Pisa.

[@NRDavis-wl8vn]

One Effiel Tower is the equivalent of a Jumbo Jet or the size of.... potato head joe's Ego. (With apologies from America) 🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️😎

[@RandomMusik]

Its 65 Tons, Eifel Tower isn't a worse measurement system the Imperial system

[@Tadesan]

People with low intelligence like hearing words they have heard before.

[@vipulvirus]

Americans will use anything but the metric system

[@SteveVi0lence]

They're using mineral oil. It's non conductive. The transformers you see on electric poles are filled with mineral pil

[@dougthewelder]

It's plain water.

[@mykeprior3436]

These cells are probably tested and discharged completely, Lithium in purely ionic form isn't much of a danger.

[@dougthewelder]

@@ccriztoff I've worked on and am currently building two Lio recycling systems. It's plain tap water.

[@MrKeepitup83]

@@dougthewelder lol

[@cutwir3317]

Thanks I was wondering what the liquid was. 🎉

[@heinsy707]

Recycling is always a process that follows a trend shift, unfortunately the percentage recycled won't reach a level that should make it efficient enough, tons of waste will still end up in landfill

[@jamesbizs]

What’s wrong with waste in landfills? I’ll never understand this complaint. Have people seen modern landfills?

[@heinsy707]

@@jamesbizs unsustainable

[@clayton9136]

And here we are. Continuing to add to it.

[@ohno7582]

Its almost like carbon emmisions and global warming of a couple degrees wont actually hurt the planet but massive scale waste from evs, solar panels, and windfarms will polute everything. Almost like the whole eco movement is a virtue signal.

[@trumplostlol3007]

@@jamesbizs MANY materials in that stupid lithium battery are either toxic or carcinogenic or potentially carcinogenic when combined with other chemicals. Also they are highly inflammable. I suggest they dump the batteries in your backyard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@user-ro2nq7gp9l]

Or maybe lithium ion batteries aren't the way to go .

[@pawel7196]

Of course they're not. It's only a temporary solution for EV range problem.

[@LowenKM]

@@pawel7196 Funny how all the downsides to EV's will always get fixed 'tomorrow'.

[@pawel7196]

@@LowenKM they're already fixed but are expensive. One thing at the time.

[@Jim.Thunda]

My horse is my companion and transport, we help feed each other through work. If you want to be happy and live a contented lifestyle go back 🔙 To the future. The old West was a better lifestyle than it is now, just get better honest sheriff's. Less drug pushers too.

[@Electromagneticuranium]

@@Jim.ThundaUnfortunately, not everyone lives in the flyover state

[@privateninja8773]

They say they're suppose to last 10 years but being in the car business I see a lot of them don't make it 5 years... others start to not hold charge long either and the Manufacturers won't warranty sometimes if you're the second buyer... a lot of negatives never talked about

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Exactly. Every time you charge and discharge a LI battery it becomes less efficient. Just like any other battery. It’s a scam. People are buying cars that gradually became less efficient. Although the word gradually is deceptive too.

[@teddz2k4]

This is where study comes in, since ev is relatively new to the ICE car industry, they say it will last 10 years. But that is under perfect conditions from what engineers would claim. But engineers don't look into things like road maintenance, cold discharging the battery every deep winter. All these aspect engineer would leave out that would affect the life cycle of a manufacturing product.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

@@teddz2k4 Absolutely. And cold weather destroys batteries. An EV semi won’t last long for sure operating in frigid temperatures. I live in Florida and my town has lots of EV’s. I’ve seen Rivians, Lucids, and lots of Teslas. They’re still popular here. But we don’t have many subzero days.

[@syarifairlangga4608]

Our battery tech is not ready to be used in Car. It unly suitable for Low Power device like phone and laptop.

[@ChannelNews1]

I am a car mechanic There are many other reasons why EV's are a failure. They will never work. The future of cars are ICE engines.

[@SoylentGamer]

Recovering lithium is going to be key. They need to prove that they can get that online. Lithium recycled could prove to be cheaper than the mined stuff due to how intensive it is to extract.

[@Saiputera]

Trust me electric car will be just as bad as carbon/oil car

[@johnarnold893]

@@Saiputera Why would we trust you?

[@mikej5541]

@@johnarnold893 because you need petroleum to produce the cars.. besides the gigantic battery those are mined my little African kids they are literally the same as any other car. You know how much plastic/petroleum is in a tesla interior? Its literally more harmful to produce them and the damage was done before it even hit the showroom floor. Maybe you should do some fucking research instead of blindly following..

[@Saiputera]

@@johnarnold893 because it already hard to recycle electric cars when not in use anymore

[@de0509]

@@Saiputera trust me oil would be worse. Crude is mixed with water, mercury, drilling mud, random waste gases requiring flaring or (gasp!) venting, and it takes a whole refinery to separate the crude into the different fuels. And when the operation thinks they can get away with it, they wont spend money to plug up the hole they made making methane just leak into the air for decades

[@dougadams9419]

Because Lithium is hygroscopic and will absorb any moisture from the air and oxidize or even burn. Lead acid batteries are easy to recycle.

[@awsumpchits]

americans can't comprehend numbers

[@kalmmonke5037]

i guess thats why toyota uses led acid

[@timhofstetter5654]

Thing is... lithium is cheaper to MINE than it is to recycle. In fact, recycling costs more than twice as much as mining does. Welcome to tomorrow's nightmare.

[@bachlava7]

And it's not always mined ethically... I mean there is that too

[@bebobism]

Tomorrow ? . . . How about the present !

[@anonymouseniller6688]

It's a rare metal though. Eventually mining it would get more expensive when they get even rarer

[@klektic1672]

@@anonymouseniller6688 Not to mention we're transitioning to near total EV sales. Meaning we're going to need WAY more of it per year. I didn't realize they don't recover the lithium. While its still important to do, its disappointing that all the batteries i've saved and recycled are at least 50% wasted.

[@sfacets]

And child labour is cheap

[@robertbell525]

This reminds me of the enviro company my buddy worked for. Ran for years on investment money but never actually produced anything. Finally the well ran dry and they went under. It's all a scam

[@Tadesan]

I agree! The experience goes on your LinkedIn and you are off to your next opportunity!

[@mykeprior3436]

WELCOME TO RECYCLING. It only worked because China ended up buying it, and now that gravy train is done.

[@user-dq2ym1nn9k]

Omg I am laughing so much... one of my family members is a "consultant" (whatever that is) and has bounced from "environmental project to project" "fish farms / diesel additive to reduce emissions / land management consultancy / indigenous something something" for DECADES and yet noone, not one of us knows WHAT HE ACTUALLY DOES FOR A LIVING OR HOW HE FUNDS HIS LIFESTYLE ... like he's always so flat out busy (doing nothing) and scrambling to answer mobile phonecalls from overseas investors at all hours of the night while in the middle of a family holiday or on the laptop doing WHAT noone knows. I'm sorry but it's just a joke. and I agree - it's all a scammmmmmmmm

[@higherlifts420]

Imagine paying $60k for a car that's only gonna last 10 years

[@ncooty]

Well, 10 years for the battery, which can be replaced.

[@megapangolin1093]

People just don't care, they say "I need a car" and then say " I NEED a prestige/big/flash car for my ego" and they pay. They justify it by saving their consciences cos they are "saving the planet".

[@ncooty]

@@megapangolin1093 Or maybe they realize the battery can be replaced. Internal combustion engines require quite a bit of maintenance (including consumable parts and products) over a 10-year period.

[@megapangolin1093]

@@ncooty How much for the replacement battery? More than car engine and gearbox maintenance. Also, electric motors/gearboxes require maintenance, though less than an ICE car.

[@ncooty]

@Megapangolin I don't know. Might need to factor in the fuel-cost savings as well. I'm also not sure how accurate the battery-life estimates are. (E.g., lots of early Priuses are still on the road.) In any case, I don't think it's accurate to say that the car itself lasts only 10 years.

[@ChristianStout]

This is why plug-in hybrids are better than pure EVs. A quarter as many lithium cells and an onboard ICE generator that will get the equivalent of 120 mpg.

[@mintheman7]

They are not, because two powertains are needed and one of them is just a dead weight most of the time. I say this as the owner of a plug-in hybrid.

[@ChristianStout]

@@mintheman7 It's not really two whole powertrains if the engine is only connected to a generator, not the wheels. You could also consider the depleted battery cells to be "dead weight". In a plug-in, the batteries spend way less time being depleted since they're constantly being charged.

[@ncooty]

This is why I drive a car powered by a huge low-friction flywheel spun up by squirrels.

[@tdw5933]

Chipmunks is the way to go, dang show off, haha

[@latinsizer]

This reminds me of the 80s-90s argument that plastic bags would save trees but ended up doing more massive permanent damage and now we are switching back to paperbags as environmentally friendly.

[@kimjanek646]

Plastic bags are not the problem. It’s the fact that every shit you buy is wrapped in plastic. It’s just some greenwashing to distract people from the actual problem. But of course plastic straws and bags are the downfall of humankind 🙄

[@jkj9404]

I just have one question.. were do you plan on getting the electricity..... The Hoover dam is running out of water so thats like 4 states worth of electricity gone......

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

I think it's pretty cool that they're making strides to scale this stuff up now, before it gets crazy. Though I wonder what kind of engineering hurdles they'll encounter as battery technology progresses. There's a lot of research into removing or greatly reducing some of the precious metal content in favor of things like graphene. I wonder what kind of effect that would have on their business model.

[@mrfishsticks266]

Graphene is insanely expensive

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

@@mrfishsticks266 You ain't kidding. There's one company making graphene batteries, although they're very small batteries. I'm hoping more useful manufacturing methods come from people at least trying their hand at it.

[@GamingTechReview]

@@mrfishsticks266No graphene is charcoal reduced to dust and then layered one layer over another. It’s actually easy to make at home. I’m an Engineer btw.

[@GamingTechReview]

@@mrfishsticks266Companies just make it out to be this magical crap that only they can make to discourage anyone trying to do the same.

[@tysongonsorowski8574]

Was the tower comparison in weight or volume?

[@jnv1971]

Those kinds of comparisons are just stupid and lazy assumptions about the recipients ability to handle mass or volume math.

[@leouvarov8982]

or height :)

[@jayf4340]

Where does the power come from to charge the hybrid cars?

[@TatoDek1999]

primarily from non-renewable energy sources. However the efficiency of Hybrid cars still makes them more efficient and net lower emitters than conventional combustion vehicles

[@williamjackson5942]

@@TatoDek1999 And as time passes more and more of the power will come from solar and wind. RE is cheaper already than OIL and gas and getting cheaper still!

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

From your local grid? Or your solar panels?

[@WiPri0371]

@@williamjackson5942 You're just simply trading one thing for another. Wind propagates VAST amounts of fiberglas waste that gets buried because it is cost prohibitive to recycle (only one company is doing it, and probably will remain that way. And they can't keep up with the influx). Solar, as another has said in these comments, is creating its own waste problem. You're just trading dirty air for dirty land/soil; A net zero gain. So it is with the Li battery waste they can't do anything with in this video. It gets tossed out. Overall, it's like telling a gunman to not shoot you in the arm, but in the leg instead. Either way, there you are. Shot.

[@JESUSCHRYSLER5512]

**FROM MY BELLY BUTTON!!**

[@artysanmobile]

Wherever an expensive material is produced in enormous quantities, a thorough recycling industry will form. It is inevitable.

[@hanllatv]

00:45 ev battery 03:40 black mass 04:45 why we need the battery recycle 04:14 smelter

[@skywongsuwan365]

You forgot the girl at the end from Purdue university that is clueless.

[@SHINdanny]

@@skywongsuwan365 haha, was looking for this comment :D

[@kalmmonke5037]

​@@skywongsuwan365 how about a tax on battery mass, overall weight, height width, ground clearance (except for heavy carry load work vehicals) and other stuff that cant be recycled. (a tall cars crash damage reduction structure is low to ground, but it eleveated at level of shorter car whos structure is lower to ground, taller car is at some advantage because if both cars occupants get touches, the people in shorter car will be touched more).. small part of battery has dendrite forming battery degradation which apprently cant eb recycled, and whatever can be isnt being recycled ... they proabbly will recycle non rusted broken junkyard cars, so all the new cars and whatever emissions and resources they ccosted, probably wont get that fix. a variable fuel type small combustion electric assisted turbo , especially of no spinning parts, could be paired to hydraulic regen braking and compressed air, probably with some super capacitor assistance and even battery assistance, but itd be lot less battery mass. electric battery stored regen braking energy can be avoided for longveity of battery. the combustion system could be a single combustion chamber with hydrallic switch and harm to place the piston back into position for the combustion to push to create energy.this is similar to electric linear acuaator. supposedly, hydrogen can be combusted with only water as emission if combustion isnt too hot, also see efuel, biofuel diesel , regenerative abiotic creation of natural oil from which petrol is made of, the possibility of hydrogen electric being swapped in, etc. mahle talked about a non magnet, coil based recyclable electric motor, but its less torque so it needs transmission. because combustion system is much smaller and efficient and low emissions, it maybe better than a toyota prius with same emissions perfect turbo system, despite a bigger battery per vehicle ............. could also have the benefits of rear wheel drive rear mid engine sport car weight distribution, which in terms of preserving momentum around turns by less weight leaning toward the front under braking and turning, so grip work is divided across all tires more, so more grip can happen. thsi also helps and speeding around a turn if wanted. a dial for reduced power steering would allow a better feel for how close to grip limit car is, without a stiff bumpy ride from trying to give that feelign through the seats for all people in the car, and its fun similar to lotus elise , or maybe gmat43. ................................... about emissions, the predictions are so wrong that their models are obviously, wrong, theres lot of disagreement about weatehr changing etc, suspicious observers, tony heller,tom nelson "why you should be a climate skeptic" and some others have their ideas but to me, i think its worse for peoples biology for people often living near especially slow moving cars a lot. smoking ciggarate fumes at your face was not identiftified as harmful until after natural fats with seed oils, margarine etc, was normalized... thats before considering sleep, excersize, stress, etc. so how harmful is it really? not very much, but defintly nice to have less of it.tire and brake wear supposedly is toxic too, like the suppsoed endocrine disrupting microplastics, etc. theoretically, we could go back to using natural rubber from trees (instead of the normal hamrful petrol plastic like tires), if we consume less tires and if cars ae less weight and or we drive slower. more weight and torque and braking causes more road damage which costs money resources emissions, road downtimes etc, a heavier car moving toward a car to crash it, is going ti hit it with more damaging energy than a car of less weight, it takes more structural strength mass and money to make heavier car safer. height of car shoud also be taxed, because its less crash safe to cars who are sitting lower with less protection compared to the higher cars structural strong heavy mass being closeer to the weaker upper part of the lower car and aerodynamically energy effceint. the rear seat could face the rear as a compact 4 seater , where if more is needed, he can rent a van or whatever. he can do a little towing and with a suspension lifter and lowering system, old people could get objects and theirself into car with less join pain etc, so they dont instead move to suv cars, and thsi could also allow light offroading for parks, parking on grass including loose moisture soil where heavy cars would get stuck, etc. so overall, emissions, weight, costs, and driving boredom, would be lowest and car would be ready for a system update. theoretically, renting out a car instead of selling would allow high budget build that wil last as logn as possible, where costs are divded across different renters, with software can lower rent costs for less driving, effceint driving etc. but this could be used to take away the car or delete a person by software because its microphone or gps detected that you did something they dont like, wether it be a new secret blagrog ESG score complaince thing, or a more local troublemaker. check out ulev cameras in the name of emissions, which are tracking devices to control people, etc. youll stay abused by a state in taxes or whatever, if you can escape it.check out ulez 15 minute cities richard vobes

[@censored4christ162]

Why not make batteries in a way we can restore them rather thsn having the crush everything up and panni g and melting out the metals. I mean, its a route but we could be doing it less if thr batteries lasted linger than 10 years on the 50,000 dollar car that cant beat a corolla from san diego to miami

[@kalmmonke5037]

thats why i say to use battery or compressed air energy storage to run a electric assited turbo with vairable fuel engine for especially for more sustinable stuff like dielsel, efuel, propane, natural gas, hydrogen combustion etc . the amount of battery would be used to reduce emissions and work well with the the climate crisis nerd stuff and keep weight low for crash saftey betwen cars and reducing road wear@@censored4christ162

[@MrMeoow91]

We replace pollution with a new pollution. But it is called “Carbon Neutral” 😂😂😂

[@ME262MKI]

Well, looks like oil is gonna stay with us for a long time, boys!

[@MasterRoshi69]

Until we have clean reliable and abundant electricity, that's for the best. EVs are a much bigger burden on the environment then a solution currently...

[@willy4170]

Well not at all, in Europe, the plan is to stop selling all gas powered vehicles by 2030.

[@n7warhound885]

@@willy4170 Can’t wait to see how that one goes over, Europe is kinda a big test bed to watch. Politically culturally and economically they’re doing some wild things we Americans would be wise to learn from. To see what does and does not work, Looking at The contrast between Germany and France especially. One invested in nuclear and the other…well. Not nuclear

[@xblade11230]

Lol no oil is running out, we have to dig and drill deeper and deeper to get it and increasingly have to get it from the ocean from deep rigs I can't share links but there are diagrams showing how deep we need to dig by year, easy to get oil no longer exists $5 per barrel ain't coming back

[@TheGillederais]

@@willy4170 this is hillarious Lets see this up n coming winter, how they cope with heating n electricity bill soaring through the roofs.....

[@hecklerkoch2446]

I've got 2 (55 Gallon) drums full of LI-ion batteries from laptops and cell phones. NO ONE WILL TAKE THEM. It's unbelievable to me that they can't create a process to handle 100% of the materials. I've even kicked the idea around to start my own recycling plant. ♻️

[@craftsoda]

your county should take them, or your current garbage collector, or Best Buy, or Interstate batteries all accept them for recycling.

[@hecklerkoch2446]

@@craftsoda take them FOR MONEY........

[@katierucker4233]

@@hecklerkoch2446 that's better than it exploding in your yard

[@h___p___2036]

You should start your own business

[@andyjohnson3790]

Hahaha. What process for recycling anything is 100%? The hydrometallurgical recovery process for lithium batteries is almost 90% and I'm sure it will improve in the future. But no EVs will not stop climate change or ecosystem collapse

[@fatherof4kids]

Only upper middle class families can afford electric cars at this point.

[@supersandwich8967]

Yeah and yet the government wants you to buy EVs

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

As with any new Intention

[@tommybombadil8651]

That sucks with me hovering between upper lower and lower middle. Like plasma tv's I will have to wait ten years to get in range.

[@ms_cartographer]

I got a plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt used for 17k. Only had 30k miles when I bought it.

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

@@LuLingqi101 why

[@mcdonald408]

Car batteries aren't hard to recycle when you throw them in the ocean. It's a safe and legal thrill!

[@binkuschungo3563]

I am disappointed how far I had to scroll to find one of these comments. Do better, KZbin.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Not even funny.

[@mcdonald408]

@@rolandthethompsongunner64 keep looking for van owen there chief

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

@@mcdonald408 Already found him.

[@Oliviiiful]

This is insane about 75% to 90% of lithium packs are still good and could be reuse instead.

[@craftsoda]

that depends on the use. Car batteries, yes. Its labor intensive, but they can be repacked into other uses. Smaller batteries with more even use cycle, not so much.

[@itsmeee303]

True, but it’s good to have both solutions. This can handle a lot of the mass recycling and the more labor intensive manual cell removal and recycling into home batteries etc… can be done where it fits. The more solutions we have to this problem the better!

[@TwinTonyz]

Is that even feasible? To meticulously extract the inners of every cell, assure there are no defects, and repack it into new cells? I know they tried a similar process with solar panels, but the result: the new panel's had a substantially lower output, were comparatively expensive to brand new panels, had a shorter lifespan, and were more prone to failure.

[@13thbiosphere]

Even a battery pack that is at 50% of its original capacity is valuable as a home Energy Storage,

[@iamjoehill]

@@13thbiosphere I was just about to comment this 🤌🏾🤌🏾

[@chrisstoichess7829]

How much electricity does this plant use to recycle?

[@edmundsveikutis1698]

Very good question.

[@kirksmith347]

It probably comes from fossil fuels.

[@theamateurbackyardgardener543]

Rebecca fails to mention the carbon footprint used to create the battery in the first place.

[@blk77sunshn]

I seriously applaud you and appreciate your efforts to tackle such a huge problem. But , let's be honest, this just isn't going to work. Period. I'll keep my ice , besides it sounds cooler.

[@rustyaxelrod]

I don’t believe electric vehicles are better for the environment overall. They can reduce localized “smog” in specific areas, like the LA basin for example but manufacturing, charging over its lifespan and disposal at the end of its life will typically result in MORE emission than ICE powered vehicles. In other words I believe they are part of the answer but not the silver bullet they are being promoted as. Our current rush to adopt this technology or more precisely the political push away from gasoline, natural gas and other fuels is premature and is poised to make a significant, negative impact on the average persons quality of life and finances. Science can’t be denied, the amount of work one pound of gasoline or other petroleum based product can do is several times more than what a pound of batteries can do and no policy is going to change that. We need a technology that doesn’t exist yet and to deny that fact is ridiculous.

[@bananachair4405]

yes the energy density problem will always persist. I remember watching a video testing how warm and long EV vs ICE vehicle can stay if stuck in icy environment. There is no denying the sense of security you get from all that excess heat of the gas vehicle.

[@saudade2745]

Well said

[@yuvanraj2271]

You need demand to have a significant R&D. The oil industry will happily just keep it the same if allowed. Even you can't deny that the research in batteries increased after Electric vehicles became popular. People are looking at the which gives us the optimal scenario. Power being produced by fusion reactors without nuclear wastes, more Powerful and more environment friendly batteries.

[@FruitlessGaming]

There are thousands of engineers and scientists that all working towards EV's future. All of them would tell you that use of an EV long term is far less damaging to the environment. Additionally, EV market just came into being less than a decade ago. ICE has had over 100 years to improve and yet electric has proven to be more efficient and beneficial for the environment. To the point of a pound of gasoline and a pound of batteries, batteries win every time. Gas is a one time use and has pollution during use. Tesla is rated on average to get between 300k-500k miles for lifetime of the battery. Even on the low end of 300k miles, in gasoline that's 12396 gallons of gas. Tesla's battery pack takes 3-15 metric tons of CO2 to produce, while that 12396 gallons of gas is 110 metric tons of CO2 and that's not including the oil digging CO2 cost. EVs are more efficient and better for the environment by a landslide.

[@Xerathiel]

It's about not wanting to rely on certain countries.

[@grumblekin]

The best part is how America's aging electrical infrastructure that can't even power AC in the summer is going to handle millions of electric cars.

[@andrewdavis8137]

This is madness.

[@Thatguy101987]

This is what I like, people coming up with solutions rather than continuing to complain bout the problems,

[@bmw803]

But, you'll never see Sleepy Joe on TV from that plant and give those guys exposure, so they can get bigger.

[@herculesbrofister265]

@@bmw803 sure, like a president is going to go on tv and promote the services of some specific company. Do you even think about what you're saying or is it just word vomit?

[@bmw803]

@@herculesbrofister265 Obviously, but they do it when it suits their political agenda. I agree with you, but with politicians, anything is possible. A bunch of crooked crooks.

[@Chopper650]

@@herculesbrofister265 corn pop joe promoted pfizer hard out

[@catsaregovernmentspies]

@@herculesbrofister265 Joe went to the new General Motors plant and gave a televised speech. "You did it, Mary. You electrified the whole industry. You led and it matters."

[@Noote54]

Now maybe they can figure out how to recycle wind turbines and solar panels

[@johnthomas2970]

Already being worked on. Solar panels are already being recycled too

[@konnyfu]

First wind turbines that are recyclable are already up and running. Solar panels can be recylced, but it's too expensive still. But old solar panels can be sold and reused, they are often still working just less effective.

[@Noote54]

@@konnyfu The blades on the wind turbines are fiber glass, not very recyclable

[@Noote54]

@Silver Wolverine They are an eyesore as well

[@Ace-gl7xo]

5:22 Thanks for being a part of the solution instead of studying social sciences or humanities, coloring your hair pink, and pointlessly blocking traffic or smearing paint on artworks, Rebecca. You give the world some hope.

[@Megalith79]

What they really _should_ be working on is unlocking the key to harnessing the power of stupidity.

[@Tadesan]

They are. They're doing it right here.

[@ghost307]

Stupidity is unlimited, especially in politics.

[@benoitlaferriere8581]

So they cannot even recycle plastics, they burn it 😂 imagine the rest

[@vendomnu]

To be fair, using the plastic to make heat and electricity is a good solution - recycled plastic is a bit of a scam in itself. Nobody wants potentially harmful material in their product and the burn value in plastics is 90% of what you could get out of the naphtha that the plastic was made from.

[@danialphaomega]

@ 5:21 Are you blind lady? Where does the electrical power come from that charges your EV?? That high Electrical power demand cuase power plants to over work and are the reason for rolling black outs!

[@andyjohnson3790]

Name one rolling black out in the US besides last year's in Texas, or because of storm destruction?

[@mintheman7]

The ease of recycling needs to be designed into the batteries themselves. Given the uniformity size of 18650 or 21700 cells, it is not hard to mechanize the recycling process. But is breaking up the modules into individual cells is the most labor intensive part and is a challenge to standardize. Hopefully JB Straubel's new company will at least making recycling Tesla batteries easier.

[@-108-]

Tesla claims 92% battery cell material recovery in new recycling process | Aug 9 2021 - 8:09 am PT Tesla released more details about its effort to deploy large-scale battery recycling, and it claims that it can recover about 92% of battery cell materials with its recycling process. Tesla confirmed that the first phase of its own battery cell recycling facility was deployed late last year: “In the fourth quarter of 2020, Tesla successfully installed the first phase of our cell recycling facility at Gigafactory Nevada for in-house processing of both battery manufacturing scrap and end-of-life batteries. While Tesla has worked for years with third-party battery recyclers to ensure our batteries do not end up in a landfill, we understand the importance of also building recycling capacity in-house to supplement these relationships. Onsite recycling brings us one step closer to closing the loop on materials generation, allowing for raw material transfer straight to our nickel and cobalt suppliers. The facility unlocks the cycle of innovation for battery recycling at scale, allowing Tesla to rapidly improve current designs through operational learnings and to perform process testing of R&D products.” Tesla also argues that its recycling effort will be even better for its own battery cells manufacturing in-house as the process will be integrated at each manufacturing site: “As the manufacturer of our in-house cell program, we are best positioned to recycle our products efficiently to maximize key battery material recovery. With the implementation of in-house cell manufacturing at Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg and Gigafactory Texas, we expect substantial increases in manufacturing scrap globally. We intend to tailor recycling solutions to each location and thereby re-introduce valuable materials back into our manufacturing process. Our goal is to develop a safe recycling process with high recovery rates, low costs and low environmental impact. From an economic perspective, we expect to recognize significant savings over the long term as the costs associated with large-scale battery material recovery and recycling will be far lower than purchasing additional raw materials for cell manufacturing.” In fact, Tesla is now becoming a producer of nickel, cobalt, and other raw materials. Instead of being mined in the field, the materials are being mined from used battery packs. The company says that it had 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt recycled in 2020. The issue of recycling batteries is so important that Tesla co-founder and long-time CTO JB Straubel quit the company in 2019 to start his own company, Redwood Materials, and develop recycling processes. Redwood even has a contract to recycle scrap from Panasonic’s battery cell production at Tesla Gigafactory Nevada, where the automaker deployed its own new recycling facility.

[@DarkISO25]

Cant help but feel a certain industry paid for this video.

[@oliverheaviside2539]

Yep. Definitely a propaganda piece.

[@SoylentGamer]

Already lithium ion batteries from phones and laptops and the like are a big waste problem

[@Ray-cy3ih]

It’s been a year any update on the everything plant?

[@vickidianacoghlan8946]

But what EV companies are not telling you is the cost of a replacement battery is about half the price of a car, also the minerals that go into EVs are sky rocketing in price. Not good. Making EVs more expensive.

[@TheGillederais]

Obviously The only thing that powered ev vehicles is battery, without it, it just an empty nice metal shell..

[@trixrabbit8792]

I don’t think the battery pushers have ever seen a lithium mine.

[@5353Jumper]

I don't think the engine/transmission pushers have ever seen a bauxite mine.

[@neilkurzman4907]

Are you using a lithium ion battery to make this post? Are you making it on a phone or laptop? Why does it only bother you when the battery is in a car?

[@trixrabbit8792]

@@neilkurzman4907 it doesn’t bother me that the batteries are in cars. But what does bother me is some bleeding heart liberal telling me that if I don’t get rid of my gas power car that the world is going to die. No matter what you choose to use for a power source it’s going to have a huge environmental impact. If we all go electric then where do we get the power? From the power plant. How does the power plant make it. There’s the catch. If you go solar then you mine a lot of toxic heavy metals, that you also have to get rid of in ten years. Hydro destroys entire ecosystems. Nuke has the issue of possible meltdown and radioactive waste. Incinerator plants create greenhouse gases. Not to mention the transmission lines and infrastructure we don’t have. And the limited supply we have now that is already causing rolling blackouts in some states. Oh and we are already running out of the rare earth metals needed to make computers. Unless we can find different materials to use the world will be going back to using tubes and transistors by the time your grandkids are your age.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@trixrabbit8792 I go over point by point but you’re just repeating stuff you read on Facebook. Toxic heavy metals? No metals, in fact solar cells are made from the exact same stuff all electronics are semiconductors. Do you know I once had somebody call aluminum a toxic heavy metal. As far as power plants a power plant is much more efficient than a gasoline engine the same fuel goes much farther almost double. Unless of course it comes from wind, solar, nuclear, or Hydro power. By the way we’re not running out of rare earth metals. Chyna undercut everybody else in the world and shut down production everywhere else but there. There’s plenty of rare earth metals, ironically they’re not very rare.

[@Personaje123]

@@trixrabbit8792 no problem with nuclear plants, is just the environment types hate them

[@penfold357007]

I didn't know Eiffel towers were an official unit of measure 😳

[@bcubed72]

It's a metric measurement. The US Customary equivalent are "Statues of Liberty." 3.3 Liberties to an Eiffel.

[@penfold357007]

@@bcubed72 Hahaha, I like your sense of humour. Given both the Eiffel tower and the Statue of Liberty both originated in France, that would unquestionably make them both metric. 😉 Lol!

[@beakytwitch7905]

So you haven't heard of double decker buses as a unit of measure then? Drainage water of not fully contained can erode huge cavities in the ground, causing roads to collapse into big holes. Size of those huge holes measures in DDBs...

[@willo7979]

Recycling is as hard as the shift from coal and petroleum energy itself.

[@ryanlane2503]

Gonna be hard to resale E-vehicles as well. Being that as of now it cost anywhere from $12k-$20k to replace E-batteries. This will probably be the cheapest it will ever be. E-Vehicles aren't the answer

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

They are Part of the answer. Battery prices keep decreasig for years.

[@alexanderdcossey9146]

This is the same as the comments from 2008 saying smartphones would never take off

[@resolveyeetlord8340]

Because old technology never gets cheaper?!?!? How dumb can you be

[@resolveyeetlord8340]

You’d rather let it be everyone else’s problems

[@saudade2745]

@@alexanderdcossey9146 great lie

[@blarpieman]

Hey Rebecca don’t forget to mention it takes 60k worth of driving just to get on par with gas cars for carbon footprint. E. You get a bit of savings but there too many downsides for mass use. Trucks emit Tom’s and won’t go electric for years. Energy centralization and higher electric costs will make them a total scam.

[@FruitlessGaming]

Current batteries in Tesla's go green at 13500 miles on current grid and 8500 miles on clean energy. Also electric semis are already being tested on the road and electric yard trucks are already a thing.

[@blarpieman]

@@FruitlessGaming If you have data on that I would like to see it regarding Teslas going green that early. I guess my issue is if we go all electric we would need a complete grid tear down and with little to no battery storage right now it seems dumb as electricity rates will sky rocket and brown outs may occur like in CA. Let me not mention that this will have little to no impact on total carbon emissions unless we fix industry and farming. Sure all this for a 10% gain in outputs. Look at how energy intensive it is to just mine for lithium, its insane. We still need fossil fuels for plastics, food, industry and it will have little no tangible effect on total global temps which aren't nearly where they predicted they would be. In fact a slight warming isn't necessarily bad either. Less deaths from cold winters (100k die alone in the states in winter). The power still has to be produced by the burning of fossil fuels , coal and no one wants nuclear in their back yard and teslas are exorbitantly expensive and difficult to recycle their batteries. Most cannot afford one either at 60-80k. There is less autonomy as well if the power goes out or our grid gets hit then everyone is screwed until the grid is repaired (like an emp attack). Will this change in the future, sure, but to push this now with our current infrastructure is nuts because we need so much electricity to power all these vehicles.

[@truthsayers8725]

they say since the beginning of the dino-oil era began in 1860-ish, until about now, we've reached peak oil so we are at the mid-point of all the fossil oil quantity for ever. thats 164 years. so we have roughly 164 more years before the dino-oil is all gone. thats a hell of a lot longer than the 10 years that we have of litium-ion battery materials

[@richardkaz2336]

Considering that they paused the construction of a recycleing hub, six months ago and their share price over the past 5 years Li-Cycle has gone from US$9.70 to $1.61. When you look at the period Nov2022 to Nov 2023 it has gone from US$6.37 to $1.63. Aug2023 it was worth US$6.03 now just US$1.63. That seems to be the death spiral. The price of Lithium today is around 3.5x what it was in 2020/21 after a astronomical price per ton from Feb 2022 till Nov 2022. Next is the shipping fires, house fires and car park fires due to Li-Ion battery fires. Insurance companies will start refusing to insure . Car/passanger ferries will refuse to carry any EV.

[@jesusnavarrete6317]

How can that plastic be melted for Tool grips. Aka pliers. I been trying to that for so long.

[@charlyholehouse-eyre8729]

Incredibly surprised the lithium isn't recovered, all the slag from the smelting will contain the lithium. Surprised they're not selling it to lithium purifying companies.

[@fsdpro5461]

There’s vast amounts of lithium, it’s nickel and other metals that drive the cost

[@charlyholehouse-eyre8729]

@@fsdpro5461 it's not that it's scarce. It's one of the metals that should be easiest to isolate. It's an alkali, all the other metals will precipitate as hydroxides. The recycling of the shredded battery material should be pretty straightforward

[@fsdpro5461]

@@charlyholehouse-eyre8729 please invent a new process for recycling . The world needs your help

[@charlyholehouse-eyre8729]

@@fsdpro5461 there's loads on Google scholar already. Which is why I'm surprised they're not being recycled fully. Calcining, acid leach and selective precipitation seems to be the standard. Just needs to be scaled up.

[@charlyholehouse-eyre8729]

@@fsdpro5461 as far as I can see, old lithium batteries seem pretty valuable if you can recycling done right.

[@vincen.3590]

American Battery Technology Company has already developed better method of recycling the black mass. No smelting is involved and can recover 99% of the rare metals.

[@heirau77]

Aqua Metals in US is using closed loop room temperature process to take everything, icluding lithium. if concerned about the environment, then Li-aquarefining would be the way. Still in pilot phase but should soon be in production.

[@jjm152]

You don't need to recover lithium because it's not actually rare. What is "rare" is the amount of easily accessible mining facilities for it, but in terms of how common it is on Earth, it's only slightly less common than lead.

[@steventurner8428]

Is the standard Eiffel Tower the same as the average football field or statue of liberty as if anybody actually knows.

[@dummyfatso5537]

Did they figure in production time lost when it takes hours to recharge a car every 200 miles? The cost for a quick charge is more expensive than gas.

[@gregoryhayes1272]

Not even remotely true.

[@Lifeisawheelie]

Are the plastic shreds burnt in biomass furnaces? What happens to it if it's not recycled????

[@CwStrife]

Tell me recycling is worthless without telling me it's worthless

[@Rod-bp8ow]

Lead acid batteries are also good and their quality differ from one another since their active ingredients differ from one another as well, aside from the plates, that makes them durable and has longer shelf life/quality than a lithium ion that explodes specially for cellphones and gadgets. Precaution and measures are always implemented for a safer practice/environment.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

Aren’t they much heavier?

[@Rod-bp8ow]

@@rolandthethompsongunner64 yeah. They are, and they are durable in consistency of the active ingredients as well as in its design. It is to maintain it properly for it to last for a long time.

[@Thelango99]

There are three types of lead acid (mainly): Flooded, AGM and GEL. All of them with different use cases, but all fairly well recyclable.

[@Rod-bp8ow]

@@Thelango99 concurrence is the ONLY answer from what was cited. Thank YOU.

[@pawel7196]

@@Rod-bp8ow Their energy density is around 10% of the lithium-ion. Li-ion of the same mass as lead can store 10x more energy and don't have the problem of lead battery charging which is hydrogen.

[@bachlava7]

Ahhh yes, so much for being green or eco friendly. Electric things are not always the way to go.

[@squarewheel9113]

Yeah hybrid, or hydro electric

[@pawel7196]

I don't know what you're seeing a problem with. It's said in the video that even currently it's better for the planet to drive an EV. Did you even watch it? 😂

[@martinsarman4347]

@@pawel7196 yes, but only from the car produced emissions point of view. The real problem is making the electricity, when most of the global power is made by burning coal.

[@bachlava7]

@@pawel7196 Martin said it very well. Consider that you don't drive ev because it's good for the planet but instead because of government intervention. Consider that you do it because it's luxury and what the wealthy do, thereby making your class go up. Consider all the toxic chemicals that go into even creating these items. Consider the slave and child labor to extract these raw materials from the earth and the environmental damage doing so. If you can't see these issues then you are part of the problem by thinking that whatever you don't see doesn't concern you.

[@ncooty]

​@Bachlava ​So what fuel are you advocating? It seems as if you're saying that, until a zero-impact fuel source is found, we should (a) not use fuels, (b) use only waste biofuels, or (c) keep burning petroleum.

[@nbaua3454]

With great power comes great responsibility..and with great idea for powering our vehicles comes great environmental responsibility... Hopefully the modern ways evolve producing energy which is not harming the environment.

[@hermanirascible3310]

There are many challenges in EV car adoption. Some of them are: 1. Lack of charging infrastructure. A massive investment is required to come up with a workable solution. 2. Upgradation of the electrical grid to handle the excess peak load, which will be a real challenge if more than 30% vehicles are EV. 3. Ability to handle discarded Li ion batteries after they reach their end life. Remember, each car will throw up about 400 kgs or more of Li ion batteries. 4. Increasing electricity production by whatever means. It would mostly be thermal and gas fired plants. 5. Ability to source critical metals for EV production i.e. Lithium, cobalt, silver, copper, nickel among others. While these are being used in conventional cars, their requirements for EV production will be manifold. Most of them come from China, Russia, African countries etc. Remember the 'chip shortage' a year back!

[@gregjames3001]

Geeeeez , I wonder how many of tbe trillions $$$ of US debt have already funded many of these green energy projects ? ? ?

[@VIISkies]

Good to know that I was absolutely correct in my assessment of EVs. I knew since the beginning of the push for EVs that this would become a major issue. Nothing will beat an engine block that can straight up outlive you if well taken care of, the only thing that needed to change was the kind of fuel we use.

[@merseyless]

I suppose you can do a hydrogen conversion, but hydrogen costs a lot more than petrol or electricity.

[@VIISkies]

@@merseyless I’m pretty sure if we spent the last 2-3 years trying to develop a new fuel alternative instead of pushing EVs, we’d probably have *something* by now.

[@paguliukas]

So u saying petrol cars are better way. u forgot oil spills Fire and service with oil changes. Evs less toxic.

[@merseyless]

@@VIISkies Maybe? The closest we have is SAF for airplanes, but we have enough problems with that. Honestly, battery electric is simple enough and works for 99% of use cases. Hydrogen and sustainable fuels work for basically everything else. Induction motors and batteries have been around for over 100 years, no point reinventing the wheel when we have a reliable solution. As for battery recycling? We'll get there at some point. There's always another mine we can open if we need more nickel and lithium.

[@Phil-D83]

A Liquid or inert gas needed to crush the batteries up

[@DipBlu]

"It's better for the planet..." When you plug the car in, where does that electricity come from?

[@Ligma-Bass]

@0:43 “Wait, you guys aren’t throwing yours in the ocean?” #safeandlegal

[@liuwang2201]

10 Years + $20,000 = 2000LBS. of e-waste 🤡

[@resolveyeetlord8340]

So how much do you waste in 10 years? That you never care about because it’s affordable?

[@liuwang2201]

@@resolveyeetlord8340 Buy 10 OZ of gold and throw it in the river, and see how it fills to be WOKE and BROKE

[@conenubi701]

​@@liuwang2201 learn how to spell.

[@liuwang2201]

@@conenubi701 your jest a woke democrat supporting the current thing

[@saudade2745]

@@conenubi701 shut your face

[@leonblittle226]

Basically going green is causing more damage than not bothering at all

[@JeepWranglerIslander]

No, even when you factor in the greenhouse gas output of the EV lifecycle it's still less than driving a car and burning gas or diesel for hundreds of thousands of miles.

[@spensinthevalley3099]

​@@JeepWranglerIslander until you factor in mining production and the amount of new mines that need to be opened to be sustainable. Making coal mining great again.

[@victorseger6044]

Bingo Leon Bingo

[@victorseger6044]

@@spensinthevalley3099 you left out the part of them not seeing those strip mines standing in line at Starbucks...but in the near future they'll see that donation container on the barista counter to save the toxic slave children in the congo due to lithium strip mining..so there's that

[@FruitlessGaming]

@@spensinthevalley3099 Go ahead and search how much CO2 it takes to mine and make a tesla battery pack. 3-15 metric tons is the range. Those batteries are rated to last 300k-500k miles. Even using the low end of 300k miles on an ICE, you are going to need 12,396 gallons of gas which is 110 metric tons of CO2 just from burning gas, not even including drilling for it.

[@theresamartin5170]

Found this video because I am currently trying to dispose of a 12V LifePO4 battery from a solar set up. NO ONE WILL TAKE IT, not even the city's hazardous waste center.

[@toddword1934]

So how is this cutting down on green house gases?

[@Nate-hb8tw]

Would be nice if you shared the process instead of keeping it proprietary so more places could do the same. Maybe we could get the number of recycled batteries above 50%

[@billtheunjust]

Patent it and license it, so they still amke money from others using the process they spent R&D money on but others can see how it works and begin to make improvements.

[@andyjohnson3790]

The percent of batteries that get recycled is up if the end user actually recycles it or not. The same goes for laptops, phones, aluminum cans, glass, paper, etc. Recycling a lithium battery from the hydrometallurgical process can recover about 90% of the metals used to make the battery and there are many companies around the world that all have their own process to recover metals. It will only improve over time while it will always be impossible to recycle fuel once it has been burned in a ICE vehicle

[@astr0creep6x6x6]

@@andyjohnson3790 nonsense. Ice vehicle fuels, hydrocarbons, are renewable. They alone are the densest naturally-occurring fuels known to mankind. Besides LIFE constantly renewing hydrocarbon fuels, the "abiogenic" cycle of hydrocarbon production reigns supreme.

[@andyjohnson3790]

@@astr0creep6x6x6 🤣 Oh that's a good one. I'm sure fossil fuel companies have some million year business plan just waiting for Earth's mantel to start transforming carbon from the atmosphere into usable carbon compounds to refine into fuel. Maybe you should start buying stock for this Renewable business concept right away.

[@astr0creep6x6x6]

@@andyjohnson3790 how do you suppose Saturn's moon Titan got its oceans of hydrocarbons, the moon's history of dinosaurs and vegetation? How do you suppose the Germans produced their own fuels to keep their war machine going? I mean, hydrogen and carbon, the chains, are naturally-occurring, it only takes heat and pressure, the catalyst, to produce...

[@jackblakk8761]

They always say everything new is better! They're sounding like Politicians, everything they come up with to help us causes us problems later on.

[@ucokrizki7015]

correct, do you know why they say that? simple , to get more funds.

[@jackblakk8761]

@@ucokrizki7015 Yes sir! They're making me believe, "Greed Will Prevail!" 😫

[@SrRAFAGAS]

Reminds from the time people were extremely against combustion engines back in the 1900. They hated the idea of small explosions happening inside their vehicles. They used to say that cars would never replace the horse.

[@0xfeedfeed]

@@SrRAFAGAS you better remember the lead added to gasoline for better working at the beginning of the 20th century, which was finally removed only by the end of 20th cetury

[@shishirsks]

Most cars makers are shifting to LFP batteries, whose majority composed of Iron and Phosphate. Lithium is ~5% and other elements are less than 1%. Hence they don't focus on removing the small elements since it is not profitable yet!

[@simoncurtis3779]

LFP chemistry offers a considerably longer cycle life than other lithium-ion chemistries. Under most conditions it supports more than 3,000 cycles, and under optimal conditions it supports more than 10,000 cycles. 3000 x 400km = 1,200,000km thats more than 10 years of life, more like 40 years even with a reduced capacity of 80% and even then they can become house storage batteries for another 20 years.

[@mykeprior3436]

Weight. It will never beat Li-Ion. It's great for storage of power I agree, not for vehicles.

[@wcpreston]

@@mykeprior3436 my Tesla model 3 begs to differ

[@Someguy6571]

Lady says “we seen improvement in our electric grid.” California says please don’t charge your electric cars all at once because the grid can’t keep up. What kind of double talk is this nonsense?

[@extremumadventura]

Calif can't even deliver water to communities.

[@quartytypo]

Chopped up electric car batteries make good cattle feed.

[@TheSightof1]

"100 eiffel towers" Anything but the metric system lol

[@koredeijagbemi3570]

Very insightful content 👍👍

[@tomnutting3836]

The battery issue is even worse than I thought 🤣🤣 Just another clusterfuck solution to a problem that we can’t solve as a species. I’m glad I’m in my late 30s already….

[@penedrador]

The only solution would be to abolish individual transportation. Like only using trains and busses. But we don't want to give up our freedom, so we come up with "green" solutions that really aren't solutions...

[@the_expidition427]

It is a green solution for dollars not the environment

[@saabmiata]

@@penedrador Building more walkable and bike-able cities, plus the things you mentioned about improving public transit are the only real solutions. And that's not really giving up freedom either. You can still drive if you want to, but driving shouldn't be the only reasonable option.

[@blackhawk18810]

​@@penedradormotorcycles

[@LeRoySL-nk4hp]

I'm glad I'm almost 60. I'd go back to the 1970's and 80's in a heartbeat.

[@srfurley]

Vermiculite often contains a small amount of asbestos.

[@tomdragon3881]

I just googled it, that's kind of interesting, it's also a fairly common soil additive used to gain water retention

[@1ggg635]

The name of the company doesn't exactly relate to recycling Lithium if its going to get lost in the smelter process.

[@brianbassett4379]

It's not "hard" it's expensive and no one wants to invest big in recycling a battery type that will be replaced with newer technology in a matter of months. Battery manufacturers should be required to provide recycling for the products they profit from.

[@WiPri0371]

Then the cost of your EV will go up even more. No company will eat that expense. Not one.

[@TrevorPhillips1969]

I'll stick to my gas powered vehicle. They say electric is still better for the environment. I'm gonna call bullsh*t on that one, because there are two sources of mining that's involved. Mining the lithium and other materials out of the earth to get the batteries made, and mining the coal to charge your battery powered vehicles. Unless you have solar panels powering your home which cost a holy fortune you aren't using renewable electricity. This doesn't even include all the waste and what they have to burn down to get it recycled. At the same time all these companies are telling you to "go green" when in fact there is nothing green about this process whatsoever.

[@CJinsoo]

My favorite part was the smelting. Giant fires like hell everywhere, are what will save the planet.

[@scasny]

recycling batteries is just one part, second is how to generate the power needed to charge the EV, even if new recycling methods or new batteries technology the mass production of electric power is key

[@petriko_]

recycling lithium batteries, but of course precious lithium goes to waste because is hard to recover 😀 ... we are so screwed 🙄

[@de0509]

Seems to me battery recycling just has to be so much cheaper than mining raw. Ofc the chemicals are mixed, but at the same time its relatively refined, compared to a lump of rock freshly mined from the ground

[@dkail08]

Growing wheat is pretty expensive, but getting flour from a bowl of spaghetti is extremely difficult.

[@mykeprior3436]

And if history and modern hydrocarbons are any example, recycling is a fraud.

[@de0509]

@@dkail08 yep. Ikr. Especially since pasta is made from semolina. Dont need to apologise. I totally get the confusion

[@anyaua2626]

@@de0509 bro not all pasta is made of semolina

[@de0509]

@@anyaua2626 well tbh a chef named Davide Scabin already does it. Turning pasta back into dough

[@Deanbeyers1984]

TLDR: Try looking up Redwood. Take notes from them.

[@wandameadows5736]

You Dig Up 500,000 Pounds of the Earth’s Crust for One EV Auto Battery!

[@phillcc8524]

so with a traditional lead acid battery expected life is roughly11 years , recycling releases lead, nickel , silver and antimony , the plate material is clay and sulphuric acid , all of which are recoverable , so along with the (now plastic) case over 95% is easily and cheaply recoverable , and production also relativly low tech and cheap , new lithium ion batteries? not so on any level , the raw material mining is expensive both for the environment and in financial terms , 3 years shelf life (from production) expensive to produce,hard to recycle and only a low percentage recoverable , green alternative ? fairy story !

[@wittywolk]

try power anything with lead acid battery bruh

[@imho2278]

@@wittywolk We do.

[@wittywolk]

@@imho2278 I meant something like a car, phone, watch...

[@chilidogg2047]

Phill CC, did you even watch the video? A lead car battery does not last 11 years. A lithium EV car battery lasts about 10 years, not 3. We can recycle almost all of it. Quit making stuff up.

[@richardwebb9532]

@@chilidogg2047 fun fact: I have a 1993 ldv with its original battery in, never needed to change it.

[@code_lift]

Why won’t they share what they use to break down the battery or where the recycled material all goes? If your company mission is to make the world a better place, don’t you think you’re better off sharing information for other companies to help as well rather than just gate keeping. Poor company values.

[@NRDavis-wl8vn]

Any company in order to stay in business needs to at minimum break even with expenses. Don't break even, out of business. The Pie in the Sky dream is to benefit everyone. It's called Communism and history shows that it doesn't work. Your seeing the end result of this company. How long did it take to get to this point. How much money was invested with only a Hope of a Return. Would you take those challenges on?

[@KokayMate]

I still drive my 10 year old Honda civic and it is still in crisp condition. The problem is CONSUMPTION and the WAY OF LIVING!!! Do not travel 3 times per year. Buy quality items that last. Buy food that is produced locally and take care of your stuff. Do not follow trends etc. This solves alot. Buying and driving EV does not, it is greenwashing.

[@Psychx_]

That "business secret" fire preventing gas/liquid is probably regular old (per-)fluorinated hydrocarbons. Separating stuff based on its density is nothing new either (it has been practiced in mining for decades) and is called flotation.

[@gregbuser4690]

I wonder how they're ever going to recycle the new Tesla batteries that are encased in a dense adhesive foam material?

[@stevenfetzer4911]

Like previous generations we'll just leave it to someone else.

[@persona250]

I’m sure they will just remove the dense foam adhesive material.