Why It Works: Red vs Blue's Animation by Monty Oum

[@kalerug]

Why it works? It's one of life's great mysteries isn't it? Why does it work? Is it the product of some cosmic coincidence, or is there really a God watching everything, you know with a plan for it and stuff. I don't know man, but it keeps me up at night.

[@Browntable]

Love this

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

Lol

[@PatitoBandito]

what?

[@marseldagistani1989]

Berserk?

[@the2gamerschannel]

The Protag the first episode of red vs blue

[@redhood982]

The difference between Monty’s animations and Rooster Teeth’s animations is that Monty didn’t make fights, he made dances, just like what Ozpin said in RWBY Vol2 fighting and dancing are not so different. Rooster teeth are trying to make their fights be more cinematic, but Monty fights are more of an art, a more traditional style of old martial arts

[@projectalpha22_va]

Just an art student passing by, who's been following Monty's work since Haloid. Your comment made me stop, because you've really hit the nail on the head. I didn't understand why the fights felt less soulless afterwards in both shows once Monty departed. I mean, I knew parts of it (the anticipation before hits was gone, the movements were too inhumanly fluid, the gravity wasn't there, etc) but those were all technical. Maybe I've had this epiphany before, maybe not, but I just wanted to stop and say that this is the answer, I honestly think so. Thank you.

[@solthegamer3769]

Traditional martial arts? Have you seen the fights? No martial art has you jumping around like a rabbit on cocaine.

[@ruga-ventoj]

@@solthegamer3769 I think he mean traditional martial arts from Chinese movies aka chinese opera fights or basically any Jackie chan film but animated.

[@bautistacicinelli4527]

Holy shit...i don't know how i haven't noticed it...it explains everything...this comment, it's truly *[Made in Heaven]*

[@GrokeytheHunter]

Actually I've seen authors of other works describe fights this way as well, and RVB is my prime example for it. For example in the Legend of Drizzit when other people watch Drizzit and Artemis Entreri either fight others or eachother characters that see the fight always describe it as a dance, a beautiful piece of death.

[@fax1689]

Remember when red vs blue was just some guys trying to piss each other off in a closed canyon

[@linear1224]

Yep

[@thomasallen9974]

Now those were the days. Blood Gultch kids, thats where the real stories happened.

[@choo_choo_]

Yeah, back when it was good. Then the story shifted more and more away from the guys into shitty anime fanfiction territory.

[@TheSameTeam]

@@choo_choo_ Ikr, i stopped watching back in the day once it became over the top animations and all serious and less about jokes, thats what made the first 5 seasons so amazing

[@choo_choo_]

@@TheSameTeam The whole Freelancer arc deviated so heavily from what RvB was about, it probably would have just been better to make it its own series. It completely took over RvB to the point where 90% of it was watching pre-rendered freelancer shit in Maya than actually watching the guys crack jokes in actual HALO. You'd get 40mins of animated stuff that didn't even fit the show, and like 10 mins or less of actual RvB. It completely tarnished everything about it, and took it in a direction that was so fucking stupid even Kingdom Hearts makes more sense.

[@ProxyDoug]

Monty animated the end fight in season 10 in 19 hours, he was a legend.

[@Browntable]

THATS INSANE WHAT

[@rhymenoceros3303]

@@Browntable It's such a shame that he's no longer here. I'm glad they're still continuing RWBY in his honor and though I adore the show to death, I cannot help but wonder just how much more amazing it currently would be with Monty still at the helm of the fight scenes. RIP Monty and know that you'll never be forgotten.

[@Ashamedofmypast]

That is true mastery. Something to aspire to. Monty was a true prodigy and auteur.

[@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead]

@@rhymenoceros3303 you can almost think that Monty Oum died of overwork or some genetic japanese flu

[@mementobox]

@@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead To be exact, he died of an allergic reaction to anesthesia after never waking up from his coma. Someone from Roosterteeth said something similar to this (i think it was Burnie) that always stuck with me: It was like Monty knew his time was short because of how hard he worked.

[@stateofopportunity1286]

I got Monty's autograph about a year before he passed. I miss him dearly.

[@heroslippy6666]

Always get autographs from the greats, they are often gone with a moments notice.

[@scareraven9669]

@@heroslippy6666 agreed, got Stan Lee's a year or two before he passed

[@frookst5769]

You lucky son of a bitch...

[@nicholaswong6737]

You articulated every single issue the community has with the animation, and then explained the animation concepts behind them. Thank you.

[@TheNorthie]

It’s sad we will never have Monty doing Animation ever again. It’s something that I’ll always miss, but I’m glad he created it in the first place.

[@Browntable]

Same here

[@gkvscq]

The Northie what happened to monty

[@TheNorthie]

gk with superior breaching he died like years ago

[@Thunderous117]

gk with superior breaching he had an allergic reaction to a medical treatment (I think an allergy shot) like 4 years ago and passed away, he was 33. A tragic loss of a wonderful man, RvB and RWBY were never quite the same.

[@MrFreakHeavy]

I was so sure Monty would eventually get some really BIG role in an animated movie somewhere and his name would become synonym to action animation. I was so sure I'd be hearing his name being thrown around when people talked about movie making and doing action scenes. I was so sure people would be learning his name in books at school, teachers calling his name time and time again. I was so sure of all of it. That's how good Monty was, but he died too young. The world never got to experience what he could do safe for a few people that watched RvB, RWBY, Haloid, and Dead Fantasy. We lost a genius. Humanity should've mourned his passing.

[@luizbiel2317]

Me, who only watched the 1st season: Wait, there's animation?

[@GraveUypo]

hello, i'm the other person who did that.

[@thespaceman4808]

Oh boy you will be amazed

[@VoidTrademark]

Whys this videos in your recommendation

[@fabooshka]

Same

[@Hambo325]

Same!

[@JinKee]

when we got to the bit that said "Monty got to a level of excellence through practice and dedication and you can too" i was convinced it was going to segue into a Skillshare sponsor message ngl

[@Browntable]

Dude same and I wrote it haha

[@magic_cfw]

@Diego Herrera Anticipation

[@borntopwnyou]

Man that would have been tasteless.

[@TsunayoshiSawada469]

DUDE SAME

[@TheAnimationHipster]

What's really funny about Monty is that he not only had no formal training in animation, but he just started doing it at like the age of 15. Also when he was asked what the principles of animation were he genuinely didn't know. He basically got good because he was a breakdancer and had a great sense of rhythm. Also, RT addressed that since Monty's passing they wanted to move away from his style, either because they didn't believe they could emulate it correctly or because of a vision change. They wanted to go more hollywood in approach, which wasn't the best choice.

[@CardboardBones]

I had no idea Monty was a breakdancer, but that somehow makes so much sense. His characters always moved in wild-yet-believable ways.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

I miss Monty so much. It's just not fair. I still love this series to death, but this and RWBY (which I also love to death) truly haven't been the same ever since. I do really like the merc episodes from season 14 tho. Edit: even tho I agree that RWBY is far from the show it used to be, I think the show is far from terrible. It absolutely has had its moments (V4 was kinda boring, 5 was garbage, and 6 started strong but fell off in the 2nd half) where it was kinda shit, but especially recently, I think it's gotten somewhat of a return to form. But that's my opinion

[@udbhavshrivastava]

I was legit super sad when I found he passed away while binging rwby. tbf I kinda started watching it less after pyrrha's death. She was the best girl imo lol

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@@udbhavshrivastava lol i feel that. It definetly doesn't hold a candle to season 3, but so far, season 7 is shaping up to be the best one we've gotten in a while

[@udbhavshrivastava]

​@@bobbyshewan4229 oh really ? damn , will give it a watch again then.

[@meme_guy924]

@@bobbyshewan4229 I enjoyed 4 though it was definitely weaker than 3 and I can see why some people don't like it. Volume 5 almost made me drop RWBY, but I thought 6 was a return to form for the series.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@@meme_guy924 6 started strong for me but fell off at the end, but I do agree with you besides that. How do you feel about 7?

[@kineographBOT]

The same could absolutely be said of RWBY.

[@oyu7214]

Well, vol 7 is somewhat fixing the problems that vol 4-5-6 had

[@MoonGuardian866]

@@oyu7214 proof that they are starting to get better after Monty, hes not here so they know they better pick the pace up, FAST. as mentionned at the end of the video, S17 Carolina Vs Carolina fight felt better but still has issues. RT will not be as perfect as monty, but they are trying, dammit!

[@jaiarojas5147]

I agree

[@TotoDG]

Well, some of the problems _are_ being fixed, but it's still heavily flawed for the most part.

[@CoopMy]

I agree fully, but I hope they learn these lessons in the newer volumes.

[@leonardchurch814]

Monty left us too early and it’s a shame we’ll never see his work again. That being said RvB was never going to get the same level of animation during Monty’s time because of RWBY. It’s good to see a deep understanding of how Monty created action, well done.

[@AveryScarlet]

Not only that, we won't see what the original path was. Although we may never know if the claims about it were true, but it's obvious the direction in the plot has changed.

[@JorgeTorres-ek5qs]

The way Monty's camera followed the action, I would describe as having the proximity of a helmet cam but with the focus agility of your own eyes. It looks almost like a POV if you were actually there fighting with the character.

[@MrAsh1100]

And you see how he doesn't use too many jump cuts but rely on following the characters, making sure the viewers never get confused in the entire fight.

[@Emilia-gw8so]

@@MrAsh1100 yes! Even through many parts of the fights go fast, im still able to keep up with it while watching casually, and sometimes i go back and slow down a certain move just to enjoy the smoothness and beauty

[@gavo7911]

Welp, time to go cry over Season 13’s finale again.

[@Browntable]

It’s honestly so good

[@danielnes1344]

One of the only things that makes me cry over and over

[@Cherrybomb69277]

Same

[@CripTikStorm]

Ain’t that a bitch

[@jackcabadas3976]

Amen

[@ThePlaydohWarrior]

"I stopped watching when they started messing with time travel!" Church and his many other failed Churches "Are we a joke to you?"

[@Boomie_365]

Then he missed season 17, a massive improvement on every level.

[@TannerThePuppyGamer]

and technically that wasn't time travel it was a simulation before being telported

[@LucyWest370]

@@Boomie_365 season 17 was good for donut and wash but the amount of shit that was crammed in at that point made it a mildly interesting confusing adventure about a pink man and his giant hammer saving all of space time. The show used to just be a d*ck measuring contest between The blood gulch bois

[@generictag1050]

actually it was gamma putting him through simulations. church killing florida and setting it to team kill is also a simulation

[@Engieman909]

@@generictag1050 im a tad late, but how did florida die then?

[@thebananamelon5065]

A kid 3d printed caboose’s helmet and holstered a banana in his pocket at school and I was the only one who understood him

[@duddude321]

And he didn't get shot 14 times in the back, arrested, expelled, and deported out of an airlock of the ISS? Must not have been in an American public school.

[@meowmur302]

@@duddude321 Way to bring politics into a comment about RvB

[@duddude321]

@@meowmur302 That's not politics. It's an observation. Politics would be remarking on the policy and how I feel it should be adjusted. "Donald Trump is being impeached" is an observation. "Donald Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice and should be impeached" is politics.

[@thebananamelon5065]

duddude321 It was in an American school you racist shithead

[@217adaptiveperspective]

@@duddude321 You're kind of coming off as the asshole here to be honest.

[@EposVox]

Good stuff. I haven't watched recent seasons (Starting now!) but from these clips, I notice a lack of depth of field and other blending effects that make the new stuff feel so plasticy and silly

[@slimkickens]

Plastic and silly is a perfect description of post-Chorus RvB

[@MrAsh1100]

That and loads of continuity errors where you see characters teleporting all around the map because they want it to be "cinematic" rather than making sure viewers can see how the fight goes.

[@magisterrleth3129]

Yeah, I think i stopped seriously following it after season 13. I was really surprised when season 14 came along, and just couldn't get into it. Felt like the story was over, no need to keep going.

[@tbhreviews6611]

I remember when red vs. blue was just on blood gulch lol

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

TBH Reviews, the adventures on Blood Gulch were the best in a narrative setting, but Monty Oum’s fight scenes in Seasons 8-10 of Red vs Blue are better than current seasons so far.

[@ThreadBomb]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Watching RvB for the action is, uh, incorrect.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Thread Bomb, I didn’t like the government conspiracy plot, the civil war plot, and the time travel plot, so the fight scenes were the best in seasons 8-10, but the narrative story altogether was the best in Blood Gulches because it was making fun of how shitty how early Halo games are so easy to animate them that even people that have never graduated high school/college could make them if they already know how to code and design the basic hardware/software for early Xbox games, and the fight scenes with Monty Oum were so great that later Halo games tried copying Monty Oum’s fighting style because Monty Oum is like the Walt Disney or Osamu Tezuka of modern times whenever it comes to fighting choreography.

[@archangeljegiudiel1494]

Do you ever wonder why we're here?

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Archangel Jegudiel, why are we here it’s life greatest memories?

[@slavknight5925]

red vs blue's fight scenes post-Monty looks like the MCvsLocke fight.

[@ToliG123]

Dude had the same thought. So fucking bad. Like why and how did 343 think these amazing literal super heroes should drunk slap fight like a rugby team. Its just..... all wrong.

[@markss367]

Seasons 11-13 it was good after that it felt weird.

[@bruh-fw7op]

@@markss367 On the contrary, I liked S15-17s fights. Those had the cleanest flow between machinima and animation, without having to completely sacrifice fast paced sequences (although still far from Monty’s). Chorus used motion capture, which means there were many physical limitations in animation. That being said, Season 10’s Freelancer animations were fantastic.

[@markss367]

@@bruh-fw7op i like the fact that each season has something different makes it interesting more in my eyes

[@bruh-fw7op]

@@markss367 agreed

[@BrandonBreezeyVirgo]

Still wish the meta returned I mean he’s the meta agent Maine.

[@crimsonquill4255]

Nah, I'm glad he didn't return. It would have cheapened the victory somewhat in later seasons...and as well as that, we wouldn't really have had the whole suit up at the end of Season 13.

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

What? No way, he had a clear and obvious death. There'd have been no incentive to bring him back, and we wouldn't have had the armor come back to us and the entire ending if season 13 would've never happened

[@anenclavetrooper9707]

Sicawhore Manchester it still would be badass

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

@@anenclavetrooper9707 if by "badass" you mean watered down unimportant and boring, sure. If you're fighting on behalf of the idea that you want the mets to return for some climactic final battle, go watch death battle, but bringing him back would just give rooster teeth the opportunity to make him a worse character.

[@thebizniz2052]

Sicawhore Manchester you would know

[@bigsnake3130]

What I like about Monty Oum's animations is how he really shows off the character personalities in their movements. Not only that, his choreography is so well done and has many different inspirations.

[@Talsbynians]

Forewarning about RWBY, the same thing happened with the fight scenes as well. All the fights from Pre-Trailers till like, season 4 were directed by Oum and are honestly so incredible. Now, there’s very little, stylized action when it comes to choreographing fights. It’s a little jarring to think about an anime that has natural progression of character’s talents going from quick, snappy, and sick to slow, reserved, and unimaginative. Thankfully, the team was smart and focused a lot of the show’s direction into story but it still feels a bit hollow w/o the fights that made rwby so well known.

[@daisy5497]

I'm not gonna disagree that the fights from volume 3 (that Monty didn't direct) through volume 5 often suffer from the same issues as recent rvb but volumes 6 and 7 (so far) have shown a real improvement in fight scenes, from the Grimm fights in the premieres to the Blake and Yang vs Adam fight at the end of volume 6.

[@Talsbynians]

JonoMate oh right it was season 3 that was his last one. But yea I agree they’ve gotten better. I don’t think the fighting will ever look as flashy but seeing them change the style into what it is gives me hope for future fights. A lot of what I’ve noticed now are fights based around their semblances rather than their body movements so it at least strengthens the importance of a character and their “power”.

[@daisy5497]

@@Talsbynians Yea nobody can animate the way Monty did so I'm glad they're using a new style instead, and apart from Blake semblance use has been more prominent or at least incorporated in smarter ways

[@kylekid10]

They did have one animator that I believe captured Monty’s style. Why it looked so good in season 4 despite monty moving on. However the issue is rooster teeth did not keep the animator at the company so when he left that’s when it REALLY started to dip. So I don’t believe it’s impossible to mimic or try to get something simulator to Monty’s style but roosterteeth is just not hiring the right people

[@ScrappyPom]

Except they failed to do any build up and it feels more of an after thought. IE Adam actual fight only happens in vol 6 finale and short

[@ethanmcfarland8240]

The spirit of show died with church. Ironic Church spent his life chasing ghosts Just like the new creators

[@dylanortiz932]

“That’s not ironic! Ironic would be if we had to work together to hurt each other!”

[@xaalcarlsonanimations1539]

As someone who animates fight scenes I have to say Monty is one of my biggest inspirations and I hope I can reach his level some day

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

Keep working hard on your animation, and you just might. Good luck.

[@randomstuff9005]

And then you could resurrect Monty Style In RvB and RWBY if you work hard enough!

[@YueGale]

Good luck, you can do it. Look up Mark as well who animated a fan made team SLVR, might give some ideas because he's also another animator and liked Monty's style too.

[@xaalcarlsonanimations1539]

@@YueGale Oh yeah ive watched all his stuff haha

[@Atlessa]

Looking forward to seeing your name in RvB or RWBY credits some day.

[@LostJourneyer]

whenever a celebrity dies people always say how sad they are and I never really get it because they're always old and already made a bunch of great works. But Monty Oum's death still hurts because he was already so amazing and he was still improving. I remember watching the first season of RWBY and thinking "this is pretty lame except for the fight scenes, but RvB took years to get good, so this show should be amazing in a decade" Monty never got to hit his peak, now we're just left with the void that is his (now infinite) potential

[@heroslippy6666]

This happens quite a lot in the history of jazz, drug overdose, drug related incidents, car accidents, failed relationships. So many died young.

[@Bhatmaniac]

@@heroslippy6666 he died from a severe allergic reaction.

[@heroslippy6666]

@@Bhatmaniac I am very aware that Monty Oum had passed away from a severe allergic reaction. I was giving an example to another creative area of the world.

[@Bhatmaniac]

@@heroslippy6666 understood

[@sharkdude7]

Dude I love this series: Donut and Doc are some of my favorite characters and I think it should’ve ended at 13.

[@Yroxcruk666]

Tbh to me, Red vs Blue ended on season 13 and everything after its a whole new show, i still like it but its so different to what it was before that to me its difficult to say its the same show.

[@Gannoh]

@@Yroxcruk666 Season 15 and onward is like a fever dream, with time traveling and shit. 14 was good purely because of how unique it was, plus some of the amazing stories like the mercs. What sucks is the animation in Season 13 was actually really kick ass. I was shocked by how much they downgraded in the later seasons.

[@Yroxcruk666]

@@Gannoh Oh yea i completely understand the criticism that it has gotten with the story (despite the fact that i haven't watched Season 17 yet because tbh, i didnt even know it was released until i watched this video) and even though i wouldn't call it my favorite at all, not even the best in the show, i stil personally like it and i would still watch the show to see where it goes, for now im still giving it a chance, after all season 1 to 10 was its own journey deeply connected, and even though it had plenty of arcs thorough it, it was still just one massive storyline, so if they go for the same approach here, i am going to atleast give it a chance. But yea, animation wise, Season 15 was kinda meh, but as far as i remember, there was a fight in Season 16 ( i think it was Donut vs O'malley, i might be wrong here) that i personally really liked and thought it was really good, maybe not "best fight ever in the show so far" but still fairly good.

[@theworstcatholic7247]

I ironically stopped watching it after 13 by choice until recently due to church being killed off for good. That was before I had learned anything about Monty or how much of a downgrade the story would get. Mostly because RVB felt like church's story and it had ended beautifully. Recently rewatched the entire series and I'm in 16 now and I got to say that it's honestly been painful to watch at times. Not just the animation(which is by far the worst for me and just cringe worthy for me at times) but he characters, like Tucker feels like such a step backwards since season 13, Grif and Simmons aswell. Though I will admit Cabooses final farewell to his best bud was a great character moment, but the only character that doesn't feel like a complete regression right now is Washington due to his injury. It just feel like a complete step backwards from animation, to writing and characters being dynamic.

[@werr3222werrr]

Or at least 14 as a goodbye

[@codycooper2753]

One of the more underrated things is how well he worked with Jeff Williams. The music and animation clearly were built together and took advantage of eachother.

[@mononokehte]

love u even more knowing you’ve been a rooster teeth fan

[@tryhard2222]

RWBY’s fight scenes animation and story delivery also essentially dropped off the face of the earth with Monty’a passing. I’ve never been as heartbroken about losing someone I’ve never met, as much as him.

[@chaosXP3RT]

It hurts

[@slugmanjones3504]

It seems that the camera is as much a character as the actual characters are in Monty's work.

[@roviH]

When you removed a few frames at 7:55 I was blown away. It really did make a world of a difference!

[@dcauwatchtower]

Completely agree. Haven’t watched RvB in YEARS, but the anime-like camera direction was amazing for a while there. Really underrated aspect of animated fight scenes.

[@samueljackson7548]

I'm honestly surprised that you made this whole video without mentioning "This One Goes To Eleven." That whole episode blows me away every time I watch it, the animation, music, and dialogue make it one of the greatest episodes of anything, ever.

[@babytricep437]

Of all time.

[@ididnothither]

Rest In Peace Monty Oum

[@KammyClues]

Augh, I love this film essay, I've always disliked the action sequences in the most recent seasons and it's so refreshing to see a video highlighting those exact reasons! You did a wonderful job, thank you!

[@crozraven]

Cutting/subtracting frames between motions for a bigger impact is the oldest trick in making excellent fight scenes in cinematography in general. Unfortunately, a lot of Hollywood movies nowadays simply missed it, especially the big blockbuster CGI heavy movies. I think you should check out some old Hong Kong movies or maybe recent "The Raid" franchise movies.

[@LukLuk1234]

Monty always talked about the "rule of cool" or if you paused a fight at any point, the characters still look cool, something that was missing for a long time but now (or at least in this volume of RWBY) has been remedied

[@UnifiedEntity]

I wouldn't say remedied for Rwby. For RVB their take on fighting after Monty passed works because Halo is more grounded in what the characters should be capable of since it's still Halo at the end of the day. RWBY? Not so much.

[@PaoloMunoz]

It looks like one of the main differences is that post-Monty, they use a lot of motion capture for their fights which are naturally slower and easier to animate. Monty didn't use motion capture for the actual fights.

[@karaokekingskingdom]

pretty sure it's the other way around, monty was big on mo-cap and they stop using it after because it took too long... It's one of the reasons why his work has a certain realistic weight to it.

[@anthony..5737]

@@karaokekingskingdom I’ve definitely seen them using mocap for more recent seasons so idk but that’s not the difference here

[@ardencross2992]

Agents Washington and Carolina are the only reason I still watch RvB as they have a more grounded story while the Reds and Blues deal with time travel

[@coltonjones6191]

Monty really was a goddamn master of the craft. I wish he could see just how much everyone admires what he did even now and probably for decades to come.

[@BrandonBreezeyVirgo]

One of my favorite fight scenes is the fight between the meta and agent Washington vs Agent Texas

[@meeome7367]

You’re definitely right that the fight scenes have declined since Monty passed, but I still love this show because of the characters. I’ve never felt like any of the reds and blues have stopped being themselves for a second, and I love all of them so much I can’t even describe it. So even if the writing and animation start to decline, I hope they keep making it until they feel it’s time to say good bye.

[@KappyKrunch]

Monty was and still is my hero

[@AveryScarlet]

*reads Monty's name* Ah no, don't make me cry again. Q-Q He's one of those gifted people that left this world too early!

[@bobbyshewan4229]

Also, I can help you out with RWBY. The earlier seasons, especially season 1, have those principles that Monty was a huge fan of. Even though it's gotten way better then it's first season post-Monty, and especially better than RVB, it used to have really static "fights", and that's me being pretty generous. Seasons 4 and 5 of the show are the biggest sinners of this. Season 6 was a big step in the right direction, and so far, season 7 is ok. And I honestly do recommend the show. I just wanna give you a fair warning

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

Yeah. I feel like them trying to copy Monty's style in RWBY took away from RvB.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@@nofacedgoldfish6216 it's less about copying RWBY and more just trying to copy the older seasons of the show but worse imo

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@Starship Trooper-1313 i thought the ace ops fight was actually pretty good but I see where ur coming from but yeah the story isn't perfect either

[@rdowg]

I'm more of an OG RvB fan than anything, I think I watched it as it was released until about season 6 or 7, so watching all of these flashy fight scenes has got me somewhat confused lol

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

I had RvB's early seasons on dvd since I can remember. I'm 19 now, and it hurts seeing my childhood company and dream job go down hill like this.

[@takedaiori]

Revisit this video 3 years after. Still the best RVB S8-S10 animation analysis video on KZbin!

[@bea4828]

Season ten is the only season that made me cry and it has always been my favorite not only because of the action but because of the characters.

[@sirknight6283]

Now season 13, church’s final speech is what made me cry

[@sirbirbton]

Right? Even though they all are just the same old idiots, the character development is just amazing. Not all of them had the same level of character development as a character like Church or Tucker, but they all learned and changed in very deliberate and satisfying ways going from the first few seasons to season 10. They felt almost like close friends I've known for years by the end.

[@stonewoodstudios]

I'm like a year late, but one of the most memorable scenes in any animation I've ever seen was the Freeway Fight from Season 9. Particularly, when we reach the climax. It wasn't just the animation, but the MUSIC-amidst chasing one of the Insurgents, goaded on by Tex's sudden appearance, Carolina pushes herself further and further, faster and faster, and the camerawork and music follow her, building up to a ridiculous tempo that feels impossible to sustain. She moves so fast that pavement shatters under her feet. Glass shreds beneath her hands as she passes by. Her theme is being played at easily twice it's normal speed, and as the viewer you just KNEW that something had to give. And then it does, she wipes out hard, and the camera and music follow that brutal impact. It gave me goosebumps so potent that I can replicate the feeling just by listening to the score of that scene all these years later. I'm not gonna lie, there were still some moments in seasons 11-13 that gave me that feeling (Carolina VS Sharkface in their first matchup had the same "Carolina is pushing too far" feel) but after 13 it all sort of vanished. I'd love to see your assesment of RVB Zero, garbage fire that it is, because the ONE THING it has going for it is fairly decent action scenes (and literally nothing else).

[@shidkid1117]

Same thing happened in rwby after Monty passed

[@zhaitae2470]

It wasn't as bad as rvb. Rvb just went to a complete mess after season 13. I had to stop watching because of how bad it was

[@whitepaws60]

Yep, They are slowly getting better, seasons 6 and 7 of rwby has had pretty good animation. WAY better than season 4 did (the one created after Monty's passing) Still suffers from a few issues though. the weapons just turning into a blur rather than seeing the thing in motion. a lot of the ranged attacks lack a punch, sometimes literally with Yang where she used to kinda shadow box when firing the ranged attacks but now just straight arm shooting the projectiles off. They are getting better but its basically season by season.

[@Skyguy-hi2rk]

whitepaws60 The biggest drop in quality is the writing (don’t get me wrong the fights suck too). Thank god they got a new writer for V7

[@whitepaws60]

@@Skyguy-hi2rk Writing is getting better as well i think. But threes still quite a few issues. Brunswick farms is a great example of good writing and direction, That arc if youd call it that was amazing. The apathy was a really good and dangerous grimm and the use of the silver eyes made sense, just like in volume 3.

[@samkingofthedank]

The point in RWBY that just made me go OOF I believe was in season 5 at the last-ish battle where Mercury lightly wacked Ruby's scythe with his foot, made a horrendously cheesy line, and she just picked it right back up and made some other defiant cheesy line in response. It made me wanna stop watching right there but I toughed it out and stopped watching after the end of that season.

[@Centuries_of_Nope]

Monty understood the importance of the fight telling a story. A detail that has been forgotten in recent seasons.

[@rohtal2939]

well, time to rewatch more Monty Oum fight scenes

[@Chinesetakeout382]

Monty Oum is easily one of the best thing to ever happen to animation. His animation surpasses a lot of large companies and that fact that rooster teeth isn’t a huge mega corporation is really inspiring. His death hurt me deeply and none of the shows he worked on are the same.

[@UnifiedEntity]

Literally watching RWBY without Monty's presence there is a noticeable sense of lifelessness in the fights of RWBY. The heart and soul of the series. Idc what anyone says, the fights is what bring out and speak alot about he characters then the dialogue and story. His style gave so much, on top with music implemented with it? Beautiful.

[@Furno52470]

"Animation can make or break a film or series" what ive been telling black clover fans who say the bad animation doesnt matter

[@PartyCow_]

Legit if black clover was picked up by any other studio that didn't want to put it out as an indefinitely running show with no budget it could have been amazing. Instead the animation and especially characters come across as garbage because there's no time to put love and effort into it

[@caseyhall2320]

RIGHT!? I was so excited and hopeful for Black Clover because the first episodes and fight scenes were so good and showed a lot of promise. Instead it's just another run of the mill "let's milk the fuck outta this show for money and kill all sense of pacing and plot progress. Oh, and the characters can feel empty too."

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@caseyhall2320 , I’m excited for Black Clover film on Netflix this year, and all of the complaints I’ve seen for Black Clover anime only makes sense if you’re watching the English dub only, and that’s you’re very first introduction to the Black Clover anime series.

[@TheTeflonWeasel1]

Dude I just happened to see this randomly in my recommended. It may be because its only a day after upload, but you need more views and subs man, this editing and composition is top tier. PS. (The added touch of not only grasping but EXPLAINING the 12 principles and why they're important blew this out of the water for me. The Research (or maybe knowledge) you did/had for animation was shown for sure here

[@TheWorldWideWebTheSqueakuel2]

i found out about this series on netflix no, i'm not kidding

[@danielarcaris9195]

And its leaving on January 1st.

[@slow_wagon4763]

same bro

[@swindle6644]

Hey same

[@centfont]

rvb is SUCH a great show and yeah the freelancer arc is so good story wise AND animation wise!! i’m really sad over how the new season’s animation looks (especially the tex carolina scene) but like season 12 and 13 were pretty good too like the huge freelancer/mercs fight was pretty cool!!

[@philtonmelto8519]

“The success of RvB can be partially laid to animation Jesus Monty Oum”

[@HylianKilljoy]

Monty's death really changed so much at Rooster Teeth. I still like their content, but moreso their live action and podcasts. I don't think RvB and RWBU were ever able to recover from losing him. It's so sad that we lost so much with him. But he did leave an amazing legacy.

[@ObitoUchiha38200]

Even though I never heard of Monty I can imagine he was one helluva animator he would fit in an animator hall of fame

[@WozViral]

I binged the whole show recently imagine my face when it went from fights scene where you can feel the "energy", the intensity to 2 people punching themselves like they were 70yo

[@ThreadBomb]

If you really watched the whole show, you know that MOST of the show does not have Monty's overthetop animation style.

[@zachstarattack7320]

normally 3d fights on webseries like deathbattles look stiff, but with montys rvb stuff its like just its own class of work

[@emopeterparker7]

this showcases the strength of animation as a medium (and further proves how ""realistic""/""live action"" remakes fail to understand the point). animation lets you focus mainly on the narrative and visual storytelling without bounding you to the limitations of physics.

[@thefilmschlock]

This is the only show I’ve rewatched more than most movies

[@thepetruccinator6318]

I remember hearing when Monty passed, it was such a sad day

[@troypalomaloo9922]

Thank you Monty, for creating these amazing memories that influenced my childhood. RvB Seasons 9 and 10 will always have a special place in my heart. You were gone too soon. RIP Sir.

[@axellis8333]

I know you said you don't watch RWBY so you don't want to comment on it, but you could pretend everything you were saying was actually about RWBY and it would still hold true.

[@Browntable]

Ok but i love ur pfp

[@25066j]

A man after my own heart. I miss the monty oum days, I still remember listening to that tribute podcast

[@allyski5914]

Something unmentioned I feel like is the music, and how it affects the scenes overall

[@vermt001]

You can really tell when Monty Passed in RWBY also. It just lacks the flow and preservation of momentum that Monty really knew how to nail.

[@omgjlmiub]

I was genuinely upset by Monty Oum’s passing. He had such an amazing future in animation and it might’ve really changed things to come.

[@canadianadmiral8082]

Watching things like this, it just makes me wonder how RT shows would be nowadays, had Monty not passed away.

[@joshrosenfield6546]

Personally, my opinion, I think Season 17 is starting to bring it back around as far as storytelling. It has a ways to go, but to me it improved.

[@hannahnelson4569]

Its funny, it seems like every few years rvb has a fantastic finale season. 10, 13, 17. There will probably be season 17 purists very soon given how zero is going.

[@bruh-fw7op]

@@hannahnelson4569 Actually, that’s what RT intended. They made perfect finales so that viewers can stop watching at any point if they don’t want to continue with RvB.

[@christopherquinn6188]

Season 13 was the last great season and season 3 was the last great season of RWBY. Monty Oum is the reason I'm studying animation. He was such an inspiration.

[@mariomovies9260]

New browntable video? I can do my calculus homework later.

[@Browntable]

Intellectual

[@wazzzup2579]

Procrastination at its finest.

[@lyndonadams4522]

Thank you for making this video. I really love and am inspired by Monty, there are so many show that have gotten worse without him. But people like you who examine his work and figure out what makes it great, people like you gives me hope that Monty won’t ever be forgotten and that one day someone will step up and take on his style of animation and direction.

[@thelemoneater]

Monty Oum's passing was when the series ended for me, both red vs blue and RWBY. I haven't watched anything RoosterTeeth related in years and I don't think I ever will again... (edit) Proceeds to rewatch up to season 10

[@darag.3584]

When he said "you can get to that level too" I was expecting a skillshare ad

[@rangamans1060]

Season 13s ending made me shed 1 1/2 tears. Such an impactful ending. I stopped watching after that

[@BobbyWong1069]

Season 14 was alright but stay away from seasons 15 and above

[@ThisIsAHandle456]

A wise decision

[@ThreadBomb]

@@BobbyWong1069 Yeah, watch season 14. You get interesting background on the RvB characters, plus the awesome merc trilogy of episodes.

[@Boomie_365]

@@BobbyWong1069 17's much better but not quite at the level of seasons 6-13.

[@KwakyWacky]

Can we also talk about how Monty used the environment in fights? His fights usually used the terrain the reinforce the action. It wasn’t just a backdrop. How many post season 10 fights blow up a mountain and have the characters fight on the falling debris?

[@captainflowers748]

Dang, the later fights seem very slow, while Monty's seem like they're actually FIGHTING

[@flavourruling2162]

Monty produced what felt like a dream because of how it moved, Rooster teeth post-Monty could only make what felt like highschool or middle school animation projects in terms of scope.

[@teensierkitty4214]

Youve helped me understand why i felt like things were missing since monty left this is depressing

[@Rango4U]

I know you said you haven't watched RWBY, but your criticisms of Rooster Teeth fight animation after Monty's passing fit so perfectly that it's scary. I think it'd be worth your while to check some of it out, even if only to see some of Monty's best work. Excellent video.

[@sailorusher2851]

"Slow-motion after impact, exaggerating the punch of the impact." So gooooood!

[@artobartis]

thank you so much for making this video! I've been trying to articulate my thoughts around the difference in RvB in the Monty era and after and you did such an incredible job of utilizing the principles of animation in your explanation. note: my absolute favorite part of this was when you put in the kinect when you said connect, I literally laughed out loud

[@hollow4562]

Damn this is so nostalgic like every single time I’ve rematched the end of season 13 which is when I stopped watching, I literally just start crying, every damn time. I don’t know why, but when I watched that show when I was like 9-10 I was so invested in that and I got so connected with each and every character and I loved the whole entire series and I loved it and it’s by far one of the best shows I’ve seen in my life and it’s so hilarious

[@fari67]

Every time I hear his name or see a fight scene he animated, tears well up in my eyes. Monty Oum you will live on in our hearts forever.

[@RhysClark97]

3:05 thats good because i can, pretty much everything that monty did well in red vs blue he did well in rwby, and much like how hte annimation quality dropped in red vs blue so did in rwby, you notice the cracks in volume 3 in which monty died during the production of i believe.

[@Lunacorva]

Season 17 was actually very much a course-correction for Red vs Blue and a return to form for it's writing. While it still had the time travel plot, Miles Luna (writer of Seasons 11-13 who returned to write this season after the writers of seasons 15 and 16 left) knew that he needed to focus on the characters and ground the story in their development which gave the plot a weight which Season 16 lacked.

[@ThreadBomb]

This is not quite correct. Miles wrote two episodes, but most of it was written by Jason Weight. Miles is a producer of course, so had a hand in shaping the story too (as he did in previous seasons). But yeah, this means the writer of seasons 15-16 is gone. Sad but necessary. Thanks for making me look this stuff up. I am now looking forward to buying my DVD of season 17!

[@Lunacorva]

@@ThreadBomb Huh. Thanks for letting me know. When I first saw Season 17, I thought "Wow. The Season 16 writer really stepped up their game! Well done!" Then the final credits said: "Written by Miles Luna" and I was like "Yeah, that makes sense." I think season sixteen's biggest problem was it changed too much too quickly

[@GoldBearanimationsYT]

I learned a lot from this good video

[@Kai-Xi]

When the new fights were first shown, I thought they looked pretty good, but the more they were intercut with the ones Monty did, the less impactful they felt, literally and figuratively

[@seandabest4329]

Season 16 isn't that good, but season 17 is most definitely a step up. I reckon it is in fact worth watching, because they do some solid character development for Donut, a couple genuinely good character moments for Caboose, a look at Carolina's development from beginning to end, and a few gags that genuinely made me laugh (such as Felix being afraid of knives - context required for that sentence, but yeah). And a minor thing on the environment in Carolina's self-harming segment, I do think it works better without the environment contributing anything. No tricks, no holds barred, no games, just her vs her past mindset. It's a fight she loses, but that doesn't matter because she knows she has genuine people who can and will support her. The animation criticisms are perfectly valid, but that fight means less if there are any outside factors contributing to the action.

[@tangerinepaint3643]

"Carolina's self-harming segment" lmao

[@jackmaclean986]

Dude, that makes a lot of sense; I kinda thought I’d just grown out of epic fights. A+

[@bogey4957]

This show was my childhood, so glad to see this in my recommended.

[@canucker]

I'm pretty sure my favourite fight scene ever is his work on Dead Fantasy Episode 2

[@rice-man9254]

This is the best video ever. Of all time.

[@sorrym8421]

The seasons og RWBY Monty was there to create were amazing.

[@HokageMarz]

A better question: "you ever wonder why we're here?"