Why Jordan Peterson Fans are Racist

OH boy, back with another Jordan Peterson video, exploring why race was such an issue when I commented on him negatively.

[@Joelygill]

Faithful comment readers, I never understood why ya’ll watched people you disagreed with. Limited time on a beautiful planet etc But a pattern in the comments emerged where a minority seems to watch out of a desire to better understand ppl they disagree with Which I admit is admirable Anyway, this video was direct response to this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZfbiaKbbpuDhtksi=O97Me0UaKGbdaKOE And I’ll leave it here for the curious And thank you for the feedback Ya’ll might have given me some new insecurities 🤣

[@zoobieloobie3646]

You're such a hypocrite lol.

[@Joelygill]

feel free to expand on how?

[@seanbrennan5192]

I love JP because he’s against racism and group thought. He is for bettering yourself and thinking like an individual, a real stand up guy

[@Joelygill]

never went anywhere near JP

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

​@@Joelygilloh so that's why you're an uninformed moron

[@Burnflesh82]

@@Joelygill So why are you speaking of him or his followers if you know nothing of either?

[@holyphainesthai286]

I was gonna flame, but I see the internet already has it taken care of.

[@Joelygill]

Feel free - I aim to keep a playful attitude about this stuff

[@sonjacharles2457]

This is a bit rambling. I think he's drunk.

[@Joelygill]

I do not drink and believe alcohol is poison

[@Arkon-sf3hp]

@@Joelygill cap

[@Joelygill]

Haven’t drunk in years

[@ichibanmanekineko]

As Morgan freeman said, racism dies when we ALL stop talking about it. We're all human. Stop perpetuating division and create harmony. Let's love each other.

[@Joelygill]

I get towards that idea in the end of the video But personally don’t agree Ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away in my experience

[@sojalemmi1515]

@@Joelygill the problem is that identity junkies are creating problems and divisions by their obsession with race. so it is not that the problem goes away because you are ignoring it, you avoid any problem in the first place by getting over it and not making a big deal out of it. you are not special for being not racist, most people are not, and the only reason people like you even think there is still a "race problem" in the first place is because you are obsessed with race and racism and can't get over it. in my experience, it is generally the identity junkies and those obsessed with race who are generally harboring the deep seeded racist beliefs and they project that onto others. most everything is projection in life, you reveal a lot of yourself by how you see/understand other people.

[@Joelygill]

@solemmi1515 agree with a lot of what you said. I said something similar in the video

[@HuntsmanArt]

So you are grouping many thousands of people all together, and saying that they are all the same based on a limited experience of a few (possibly) bad individuals within that broader group who are only united in the fact that they are fans of one man. I seem to recall that going over pretty badly in some places around the world but that's just me. I've got no issue with you as a person, as this is the only of your videos that i've seen, and you seem like a good enough person, but it is extremely dangerous when people start to group others together in big bundles of hate. If i remember correctly (and i do) that is what happened in Nazi Germany. Now by no means am I equating you to a Nazi, I am simply saying how dangerous it is to group people together and say that all of one group is one thing. Have a wonderful day, god bless.

[@Joelygill]

I think I addressed that point quite specifically early on in the video? I was giving a reason why a Jordan Peterson fan said they are racist. And if they ever start rounding up people on the basis of their fandom of JBP I apologise. P.S Love the drawing man!

[@adrianrodgon3485]

@HuntsmanArt don't waste your time, this idiot has the IQ of a smelly shoe.

[@joshuaconsidine163]

My man’s don’t quit the day job bro, have the skill of talking is being fluent, you did not plan this out at all lol. You’re so out of touch of how the world is happening 😂😂😂

[@Joelygill]

i mean yeah, you're not wrong ahha. More just practicing speaking in front of a camera at this point. It is a strange skill but I figure it is about reps like most skills

[@HeIljumper]

@@Joelygill So you thought you'd go on the internet and call people racist? Not the worst way to meet people, I guess Right back at you, you racist son of a bitch I watched it The racism, I saw it You're a racist!

[@evalramman7502]

No. They're not of that mindset. And neither is Peterson. Your assumptions are deeply mistaken, to put it as politely as possible.

[@Joelygill]

Only going off personal experience with KZbin commenters 🤣 I never said he was racist!

[@evalramman7502]

@@Joelygill Change your assumptions and attitude and prejudices and stay off KZbin, unless you're making a mint - in that case, grift away.

[@Joelygill]

i would never presume to tell a stranger on the internet how to live but I'd suggest following your own advice first

[@JustSomeSlavicBoy]

​@@Joelygillmaybe I got robbed by black person does that mean I have the right to say black people are criminals? Its my personal experience (btw if do you feel like thats enough argument its not). There is no good reason for this whatsoever regardless of personal experience

[@Joelygill]

i mean, you are aware Jordan Peterson fans aren't a race?

[@DRUMNERD]

I’m a fan of his and I’m not a racist; square that circle please. You should aim to do better, narrow mindedness and tarring people with the same brush isn’t a good practice.

[@Joelygill]

I do in the video

[@DRUMNERD]

@@Joelygill you really don’t mate. Please try again or just do some self improvement to not make such awful statements towards a full group of people.

[@Joelygill]

I can’t remember the video but I’m pretty sure I just give a reason a commenter said

[@DRUMNERD]

@@Joelygill so anything to support you’re claim that I personally am a racist - outside of the point that I simply enjoy the man’s work and most of his messages?

[@Joelygill]

@@DRUMNERD how far through the video did you get out of curiosity?

[@oliver6257]

Why take the time to watch people you don't like? There's a red flag for you right there, you should always take time to listen to people you disagree with unless you think you're omniscient. That's how you make progress. Your points on this were completely without depth; you think an entire group is racist because someone was mean to you in a comment section? And apparently Jordan Peterson said black people don't like accountability? He never said this. He's certainly said similar things about BLM rioters and antifa, but maybe you're confusing them with an entire race.

[@Joelygill]

maybe i didn't express that clearly enough , I said that was a comment I received from a JBP fan -never said Jordan Peterson said anything close to that. I dnt think I ever expressed that an entire group was racist in the video? And on watching ppl you disagree with - Finite time- In choosing to do this you are saying no to doing something else. I would like one example of any progress being reached on watching a youtuber w less than 300 subs...

[@TheJakusMaxus]

@@Joelygill Read your title and then think about your comment again....

[@Joelygill]

@@TheJakusMaxus it is intentionally ambiguous

[@TheJakusMaxus]

​@@Joelygill thanks for proving my point... 😂🎉

[@Joelygill]

@@TheJakusMaxus I mean, you’re welcome? Not here to argue

[@Chivoton]

Meh

[@Joelygill]

Such an enigmatic comment

[@Chivoton]

@@Joelygill thank you!

[@Law7--7]

I watch Jordan Peterson and I'm not racist. Your personal experience with a small minority of supposed racist "fans" of Jordan Peterson shouldn't dictate your opinion on the entire fanbase. That is in fact racist. Down voted

[@Joelygill]

What should dictate my experience beyond personal experience?

[@noyes8836]

@@Joelygill try thinking logically. duh

[@Joelygill]

@@noyes8836 I mean I could make the argument that I viewed KZbin comments as a sample size to draw a larger conclusion - which I believe is how all these psychological profiling things work anyway But I’m not gonna lie. This is not a logical video. This is an emotional video. We live in an emotional world And you didn’t even waste your time watching the video, which I was about to commend you on 🤣

[@noyes8836]

@@Joelygill "I mean I could make the argument that I viewed KZbin comments as a sample size to draw a larger conclusion - which I believe is how all these psychological profiling things work anyway " that is most definitely not how they work ^^

[@Joelygill]

@noyes8836 sample sizes? Isn’t that crucial for statistical analysis? Admittedly, I am layman

[@MossXM]

It's not too late to take this video down man

[@Joelygill]

What would that achieve?

[@2bitTank]

@@Joelygill not sure what this achieves.... so you didnt actually say "some of them" are racist. you stated... very clearly in your ramblings lol.... how some of them have treated you poorly. but you decided to say in the title.... why youre racist if youre a fan of peterson...

[@Joelygill]

@@2bitTank I mean it is intentionally ambiguous but it CAN be interpreted as why some are.

[@pasanski]

I've never heard someone talk 10min and say literally nothing. Thank you for new experience

[@Joelygill]

I mean I should feel insulted but I’m just grateful you watched the entire video, thank you!

[@larsbrholm564]

Luckely you only have 262 followers. When you point fingers at someone - remember three fingers are pointing at yourself.

[@Joelygill]

Yes it is good l- gives me a chance to practice in the shadows. And I love that saying!

[@larsbrholm564]

@@Joelygill the saying was a free translation from my own langauge (Danish)

[@Joelygill]

@@larsbrholm564 what’s the Danish version?

[@larsbrholm564]

@@Joelygill Hi Joel. well i wrote free translation because expressions in a langauge are difficult to translate, but I think my translation was accurate. the danish words are: hvis du peger fingre ad nogen - husk at der er tre fingre der peger mod dig selv. You might know it but more than 1000 english words are coming from danish!! the danish Vikings concured England and lived there for 200 years. example house = hus, window = vindue, door = doer. there are several videoes on KZbin FX "Old norse in english". nice to hear from you. Lars the Viking....

[@kvernesdotten]

So im having a really hard time understanding where you are coming from, because I personally find this very... Unstructured? It kinda seems like you want to "tackle" JP and/or his "fans" on an intellectual level, but then kinda dont really define any points nor argue them. Is it meant to be a discussion? A vlog? A diary? By all means, you are entitled to feel and think whatever you do, but if the point here is to argue a point of view, then you cant really take a conclusion and run with it without arguing for it. It doesnt suprise me at all if youve had bad experiences and comments and all that, but at the same time thats how people act. They just go for whatever lowest possible hanging fruit they can get, if you were fat then im sure they would attack you for that too. Those are people who need to go sit in a silent room and have a good, long think about how they act towards other human beings, but saying that they are the same group as another one, or even that theres a corrolation? Im sorry but no, you will have to convince me about that one instead of just telling me thats how it is. And if this is not the point of the video, please let me know what is. Im genuinly curious

[@Joelygill]

No argument made - just a reflection on personal experience

[@kvernesdotten]

@@Joelygill Okay, who is it meant for though? Yourself, the viewers or the JP fans you speak of?

[@Joelygill]

It was more a response to specific commenters. Structure was I literally had an idea for a video and then made it in 10 minutes, so really is just a stream of consciousness free association thing going on I try show my work because it is an easy way to gauge interest in a topic So, this topic has interest and I probably will make a more cohesive video on my experience with JBP fans because it has been enlightening, to say the least Beyond that, thank you for helping me flesh out what the point of all of this is

[@kvernesdotten]

@@Joelygill Thank you for taking it in a constructive way

[@snowymaplesyrup]

I quite like Jordan Petersons content. Can't speak to his character though. I do believe you can be a fan of someone's work, whether they are racist or not, without being affected by the elements of the person. ESPECIALLY, if it isn't preached about in their work. I'm sorry you had a rough experience. It seems every race is upset with every other race recently and it is putting people under higher pressure and makes them more aggressive.

[@Joelygill]

Never even come close to intimating that Peterson is racist But thank you for the comment More about the experience with his fandom, which has been strange to say the least I didn’t really communicate the ideas well. It was more of free association type video It was so bad that I didnt expect anybody to watch the whole video but I may do a more cohesive one at some point Thank you.

[@snowymaplesyrup]

@@Joelygill ah, I misunderstood. Still though, I find most of my friends do like Peterson and I personally don't find them racist. I hope that you get to experience the more positive members of his fan club at some point. .

[@sarpsays]

I don't understand, the video you linked as what this video was a "direct response" to is another dude rambling about JP? In what way is Jordan Peterson himself or his fans racist? Undoubtedly there will be a few within his massive fanbase that may be so simply due to basic population statistics, as with any other population of such a degree. But I truly wonder in what way JP's preached values conveyed racism to you - or if this is merely one of those buzzwords from the set of names (misogynist, racist, nazi) that are used against opposing political ideologies nowadays?

[@Joelygill]

That guy was me! I pretty explicitly state that I’m only basing my experience off his fandom. And I’m comparing it to other fandoms. That’s about as deep as it goes Never comment on JP beyond saying he is not for me

[@MasterBetty69]

I'm black. I'm a fan. Am I racist? Am I allowed to be racist? Elaborate. & you couldn't steal attention away from Peterson if you tried lol

[@Joelygill]

I mean it is possible to be black and racist? All the elaboration is in the video…

[@Jason-gt3ht]

How clean is your room??you make your bed?

[@Joelygill]

Honestly, could do with a tidy

[@dave9944]

Yeah, I was left a bit confused as well, kind of rambling. I think this needs more structure. But keep at it! Practice makes perfect.

[@Joelygill]

Thank you! I really just have an idea and film it and then move onto the next idea at this point - more about getting comfortable speaking to a camera at this point

[@kashemvai5025]

who gave you permission to open a youtube channel?

[@Joelygill]

¿Que?

[@Anygodwilldo]

I watched this for 5 minutes and you didn't exlpain how people who follow JP are racist. Then I stopped watching because I don't beleive you will.

[@Joelygill]

A JP fan explains I just comment on his explanation

[@JamesMarshall-bc9nn]

Rage farming

[@Joelygill]

Hey man, i have an idea, i film it, move onto the next one - as deep as it goes

[@ChrisHops22]

Oh boy.

[@Joelygill]

PSA I choose to interpret these vague comments positively like oh boy you really hit the nail on the head with that one 🤣

[@bryzzt]

glad this showed up, now i can avoid this channel

[@Joelygill]

I mean it is my intention to repel certain viewers - can’t be for everyone Have a blessed life

[@natashka1982]

um...so why you trying to have the same haircut as him? lmao Just shave it off, dude. Let it go

[@Joelygill]

I don't even understand ya'll

[@michellewilson6249]

Jordan Peterson fans are not racist. If anything is probably a very honest and in a very intellectual thinker. And usually if someone's calling someone a racist. Is a racist.

[@Joelygill]

The old who ever denied it supplied it argument Personally doesn’t make a lot of sense to me

[@michellewilson6249]

@@Joelygill put it to you this way people are going to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. But they're also cultural differences. I mean think about it. How one behaves and one culture. And yet another. This will cause conflict. I have no problem with disagreement I really don't. But it's been done to death in the US of a for so long.

[@Joelygill]

Yeah I’m not American so can’t really speak on that

[@michellewilson6249]

@@Joelygill I know. But it's more cultural differences than it is racial. Give it time. The more you know from both sides. The more you will understand.

[@michellewilson6249]

Also if you imagine a conversation from someone from the west and someone from the East. The two will get together and just figure out what offends one another. And that is what free speech is all about!

[@TraversyMedia]

I have no clue why this was in my recommended but this is the most incoherent crap I’ve heard in a while. Stop dividing everyone. You downplay the ACTUAL racists by spewing this garbage

[@Joelygill]

How does this downplay actual racists? Might be a reasonable point. Although who am I to gatekeep racism?

[@Pusfilth]

Is your own personal experience being gay bruh?

[@Joelygill]

Holy crow- pusfilth, long time no see mate. If you keep commenting on my videos they are more likely to show up on your home page, I fear.

[@Pusfilth]

@@Joelygill 😂

[@Joelygill]

I am starting to see the genius in your name - never gonna forget pusfilth 🤣

[@Riseroseriot]

My friend, Jordan Peterson taught me to listen to people i disagree with and after listening to you i genuinely hope you do better research and actually come up with facts instead of your own personal account of thing's This is coming from a third world country person of color

[@Joelygill]

Yeah I like to reflect on personal stuff because I find it a better way to make sense of the world And the fact that you use the fact that you’re from a third world country as a way to make a point Suggests that you might also drift away from “research” and “facts”

[@noyes8836]

so i didn´t watch it because i don´t want to waste 9 min of my life, but after 40 sec i am thinking maybe you have narcissistic personality disorder? look it up. it´s hard to diagnose from 40 sec though lol, so i might be way off

[@Joelygill]

Yeah interesting to make that leap off 40 seconds! Curious if there is anything specific that gave that impression? Certainly have some narcissistic traits - but pretty narcissistic culture? Certainly wouldn’t self identify that way. My understanding of narcissism is that is very painful way to experience the world, hit a man with a hammer and he becomes a narcissist

[@noyes8836]

​@@Joelygill i don´t even know how to answer because i don´t understand half of the things you say. "Curious if there is anything specific that gave that impression?" - yeah, everything pretty much. mostly your super inflated ego. you can´t even articulate a coherent point but nonetheless you are acting ridiculously confident, so that would be a pretty typical trait in an NPD. also you probably know yourself that you try to fool everybody, but wouldn´t admit it to me or anyone. that would be another sign then if you are interested in looking into it. good luck, have a great day

[@noyes8836]

@@Joelygill "My understanding of narcissism is that is very painful way to experience the world, hit a man with a hammer and he becomes a narcissist" yes very very painful. although i do not understand the hammer part at all

[@Joelygill]

@@noyes8836 when your in pain you turn into a narcissist - it was a metaphor. Not a literal hammer!

[@WaldorfStatler]

😂😂😂👍🏻

[@fiveromannumerals]

Yet another drifter, trying to make money using his skin. No effort required.

[@Joelygill]

I mean - where’s the money gonna come from?