Why KPOP Groups Don't Get Along (ft former KPOP idols) - AOA, April, Hyunjoo

#April #Hyunjoo
Hey! I'm kinda late to this (I actually fell sick with the flu 2 weeks ago, so I had to postpone my video), but in light of AOA's bullying scandal (as well as Hyunjoo from April's recent allegations), I wanted to do a deep dive into the issue of bullying and members not getting along in KPOP groups! I hope you guys enjoy!
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[@streamgirlsnight]

hiii

[@luisantonio4447]

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[@seebe08]

Next video: What is the lifespan of a Kpop group?

[@jacobjohn1749]

HEY I NEEDED TO ASK YOU SOMETHINGG, DO YOU LIVE IN LONDON? PLEASE DO ANSWER

[@knuxxchae4955]

Imagine when idols are shipped together but hate each other, omg it must be SO awkward yikes

[@anhnguyen-jv7oo]

IKR. I wonder if some of those idols are the ones that I stan too

[@kajjafeeluv__775]

anh nguyen I’d say there’s a higher possibility that is the case

[@DVS_BSTD]

Ikr shipping is the dumbest thing in Kpop, wouldn't be surprised if it makes idols uncomfortable with each other. Like for example g idle, I'm waiting for soojin and shuha to start avoiding each other when the cameras are running because of all the weird fans that "ship" them...

[@shuunknown]

@@DVS_BSTD I hope they don't read extreme ship comment, that could be worse

[@lemonaidebey6190]

Taengsic 👀

[@tmdsb2655]

People are forgetting the fact that they’re coworkers. You probably don’t get along with all your coworkers either, and you expect that from kpop artists? Nah.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

It's not just a regular job because bullying doesn't always happen. It's a job where there is a group of people (managers etc) judging, bashing, catergorizing, comparing, and controlling you 24/7. Cant eat what you want unless youre favored, cant go out any time you want, cant contact family or real friends, must strive to be better than the members of your group etc. Then when on camera you have to play like everything is great and the group are all good friends. It's an exhausting and stressful lifestyle basically

[@tmdsb2655]

lemonaide bey the nature of it is a job. These are risks coming along with it. Everyone knows it going in, if you don’t like it, don’t become a kpop star. Very little you can do unless you have money and power in Korea.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

@@tmdsb2655 it's a job in the typical sense only if the group becomes popular. The members are doing all this for free and going into debt for a long time. Your forgetting the members live in this horrible environment 24/7 365.

[@tmdsb2655]

lemonaide bey it’s the same concept creating a business, you’re going into debt, and it’s only generating income if you generate profit. Coming from a family of entrepreneurs, I guarantee you that the work is shitty and you’re pretty much stressed 24/7, even in your sleep since clients call any time. Plenty of people fail to generate any profit. Of course you can walk out any time, but your bound by your investors and responsibility towards employees. No one has it easy in this world, the reality is if you’re unwilling to take the risk, don’t choose the job. Everyone has something shitty to their lives and especially in Asia, no one wants to spend extra time taking care of the wellbeing of others.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

@qυιηтεssεηтιαl qυεεη Ive worked in multiple places. Maybe im lucky or maybe not. I dont think all jobs have terrible work environments

[@annakim9300]

Even real families don't always get along.

[@jenie9977]

True

[@utpaladas9243]

Yeah and I'm the living proof of this statement....I don't even get along with my own father .....so

[@naysgaming]

Utpala Das right

[@ishwarya._.1903]

That's me and my family

[@Luvhyunjin_]

@Răzvan Mihai same

[@red_bun]

Yeah like imagine being randomly put into a group with complete strangers and being told you’re going to spend several years with them. I didn’t even like group projects at school.

[@bangpinkroasthatersandarmy6278]

Same

[@anonygent]

I think they would have to know what they were in for going in. They aren't expecting to become solo artists.

[@crystalsnow2013]

There are two ways when ppl fall in love (love as lovers or just as very close friends or wtv) 1st when you choose the person you are gonna love and 2ndly the forced love which is not actually forced, it's just you are used to being with some particular set of ppl for instance you were suddenly born in a random family and have some ppl who u call mom dad or siblings. Since u were born in this family, you gotta stay with them for years( and you know you can't just move out) you have no other choice but to love and protect them. You live with these ppl for so long that at some point you can't imagine even your life without them.you'll be sad if they are gone. I think that's what happens with kpop trainees too. They have no other choice but to work with each other and after spending some time they eventually ends up being friends or much more. Yeah there are times when things just don't work anymore and we actually have seen many kpop celebrities leaving their groups for ex woojin, he got thrown out for not getting alone and sh*t. Hope this makes sense.

[@anonygent]

@@crystalsnow2013 It does, but I think the cases of not being able to get along are much more frequent than people realize. The same thing happens in every workplace, whether it's the K-Pop world or your local drugstore, some people get along great and others grow to despise each other with a murderous hatred.

[@crystalsnow2013]

@@anonygent yeah, honestly we, audience are smart enough to know if something's not right (if yk what i mean) like we do get some weirdass vibes from certain ppl and this would probably the reason we don't stan them and the ppl who despair each other actually get separated with the passage of time. But imagine having a psychopath killer in your grp and u not knowing about it damn the chaos and risk lol

[@JarretS87]

I think you really see who is friends with who after the group disband.

[@_erl_ie]

Yeah

[@layloo5244]

Sometimes u can see while they’re active. Ive heard many idols talk about ‘we dont meet up outside schedules’ ‘i dont even have his phone number’, even stuff like getting questions wrong in those games about how well you know your members. And the qns be simple stuff like fav colour, bday, Moms name. gotta watch out for this stuff. Fair enough a lot of dont know our own friends birthdays. But we would know many other things about them that others dont. Fans be knowing idols better than their own members. That says a lot.

[@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577]

What are some of the example of groups that you know that are like this? Thing kinda thing is uncomfortable to learn about but curiousity thing is smth else lol

[@rheimy7819]

Lay Loo I have the feeling that not everyone in loona gets along because of this, but I hope they don’t have problems outside of that

[@layloo5244]

Rheimy right. As long as they get along as a group and have teamwork.

[@mayanotopsleep]

i always think groups as classmates. you get to meet all of them almost everyday, but not all of them are your bestfriends. but u guys appreciate each other, or at least tolerate them.

[@tumama-ye8ek]

This is a nice comparison

[@newjeansfan238]

Yes but even if they don't like each other, their company asks them to act like bestfriend and then, fans believe they are bestfriend because they believe what happens on screen is sincere but it's not! Their company wants them to fake it because of a perfect kpop bestfriend image they want!

[@a23g23u23std]

yes i agree. i always thought of the kpop industry like a school and kpop groups are like groups your teacher assigned you to

[@maisy8061]

I think alot of the time people forget that being an idol is a job and the members of a group are coworkers. The same way you aren't best friends with all your classmates or coworkers, not all the members in an idol group are best friends. Doesn't mean they all bully eachother if they don't love eachother just that they most likely have a positive working relationship.

[@melita3311]

yeah same and you have close friends in class, normal friends and just aquaintances or not friends at all but you guys are all at least civil with each other. of course arguments will happen but its more important to grow and fix your mistakes from the argument rather than the actual argument. but there can aslo be bullies sometimes (jimin aoa/ woojin skz)

[@Random-rv3us]

For Loona I will also add something. Vivi is the only foreign member and she was a model back then. She left the model industry, where she began being popular to live her dreams for what? Getting a ''Hey'' in a song? And don't tell that she can't handle lines because the girl can sing an entire solo on her own.

[@hyvn-km9vo]

facts. FACTS.

[@alexderek5233]

also to add some idols dont know English at all are given a English song to perform solo like wat??

[@Random-rv3us]

@Amanda CHU from Hong Kong.

[@chuuvestrain2712]

Sadly, this is true. It's hard to be a ot12 Stan sometimes 😔

[@geodex9]

Y’all about to be mad, but I’m saying this as an Orbit, but Vivi has the weakest vocals in the group. Sure, she deserves way more than a single line, but let’s be realistic, they’re not going to put weaker members with a large amount of lines. The reverse of this is that Vivi will never improve if she’s not given the chance to have more vocal lines. It’s ultimately up to the producers to match them with lines each girl can handle, and they’re kind of dropping the ball on that.

[@flipevent]

Here's the thing guys, idols don't have to be friends. They DO have to tolerate each other at a bare minimum to be in a group, and also be marketable. So, right, the idol industry is NOT to make friends first. But, I then remember a memorable quote from SNSD. They promised themselves before debut: "One member's popularity means the whole group's popularity. Let's not be jealous, but support each other." I think this willingness to support from behind while working on their own career at the same time is how all of SNSD eventually found their own success. That takes a WHOLE lot of discipline. And it's not for everyone.

[@defiantaichi]

Exactly! It's about discipline, following what you promised in your contract, behaving professionally and behaving like a team. That's what's important. It's not as emotional as fans make it out to be.

[@mariyannuism]

The irony is that not even SNSD could fulfill that promise as they had no trouble being swayed by SM and forcing Jessica to choose between them and her solo business

[@shreyachekkala3434]

@@mariyannuism why what happened

[@jasminejelly6882]

exactly snsd are queens. YES IM INCLUDING JESSICA

[@lovesicklisa7273]

Shreya Chekkala the members kicked her out because she ran a business outside the group

[@ganjistyle5941]

Having all those grown ass men who don't even look like they have skills, rating these women who are usually super young and like...putting cameras in their rooms and stuff is so creepy and gross and weird. Like....they're trapping them....honestly if a company doesnt have money to give these girls a proper place to live and grow as artists....they shouldnt even be trying to make idol groups. It's just sad to see.

[@benjibenji9102]

Ok but not all of them are men(?

[@AgustinaRD5]

@@benjibenji9102 most of them are

[@benjibenji9102]

@@AgustinaRD5 i’m just saying there is also a lot of female haters also

[@AgustinaRD5]

@@benjibenji9102 but i think they are talking about the people evaluating them the CEOs, etc

[@sjonmac6012]

True! And when the girls, especially the teenagers, start dancing to sexy songs in front of these untalented men, I cringe. Yikes!

[@raven525]

my brain instantly thought of jisung and hyunjin's "rap better" "dance better" argument sakdvjnskasb

[@16dishasarkar98]

Lol, that was iconic XD

[@sora1498]

BDKFSMSJSJ

[@caitlynsult2685]

? 😂

[@tensshirt9998]

Wait what happened

[@turtledvs]

@@tensshirt9998 they argued a lot since they are soooo young about who's better and ended up arguing so much lol that's funny actually

[@christa0chellew]

I believe that the main reason the public is so invested is that it makes us crave that kind of idealistic relationship as well. K-pop THRIVES on self-insert fantasy, whether you consciously partake on it or not, and sometimes that self-projection tends to bleed into the fan's perception of the group dynamics. And I'm not naive, I know companies know that as well, so they cater to that want, which is also a product they are selling us. Because let's be honest, and this is just an example.... whose dinner date with friends would be fun for an outsider to see if it wasn't scripted to be funny anyway? K-pop sells more of a life-style/life-ideals than music

[@christa0chellew]

and this is coming from a fan who invests money on concert and merch, not a passive outlook

[@newjeansfan238]

Yes i agree, it's theit company's fault to ask them to fake smile, fake friendship, fake their personnality too on screen with script too and put them on tv show or fans like more personnality than musics too lol, fans can love them, their personnality, their friendship and can have the feeling to know their idols, their group, their friendship BUT it's an illusion! Fans don't know them but just because they saw one aspect of their personnality on screen, they think they know them, their company use that, to create fandom using idol's personnality even if it's fake, showing their fake personnality, fake friendship can grow attention, sympathy of fans and grow sales LOL So businessmans abuse of that

[@christa0chellew]

@@newjeansfan238 I don't think it's just the businessmen fault. I think it's also about us as consumers. We won't be sold something we don't ask for, even if it's not directly. What I mean is that we as spectators enjoy such content a lot, we make posts about it, compliment them on their littlest interaction and we want constant interaction with them in that area of their lives. Hell, even western influencers/musicians/actors play into that because it gives them attention. We as consumers should be conscious of what we ask of them as well. The same way companies have implemented mental health in the last few years as a priority because of public demand, we also should check what we ask of them. No one is completely exempt from the part we play into this.

[@defiantaichi]

Agreed.

[@grimmjowjeaguerjaquez5065]

Thissssssssss

[@ingela2224]

I think that’s there’s always problems that members have with each other but they can’t show it

[@Pumpkin0_0]

Yeah. There are quite a good number of idols who talk about it, and even tell the public about an argument they had or who they get along with the least in their group. It's baffling that certain people keep forgetting that idols are human beings just like everyone else.

[@defiantaichi]

Acting as friends for cameras on variety shows and vlogs is part of an idols job. They could be friends off camera, or they couldn't. And I think about 90% of idols are not 'crackheads', 'goobers', 'close like siblings'. It's just not possible. It's all for show. And nothing wrong with enjoying it as long as you don't let it cloud your judgement when it comes to supporting idols. If an issue does come to light, people should be careful showing support to toxic people or idols who made life difficult for others. There are tons of examples of groups not getting along and having awkward chemistry. And that's fine. Especially in a cut throat society like SK, or a slightly more laid back one like maybe in UK and USA, musical groups don't get along. And that's fine. They don't have to be friends. It's just work.

[@alicekalis9086]

I see what you mean, but I still think it's much healthier for them if they get along, as they live together in dorms, have fun on cameras for their vlogs/reality shows together and work together. It's awful if they do all that and spend all of this time with someone who's mean to them...

[@danielvo8256]

I feel like groups that follow this tend not to be successful or have members leave then disband. The atmosphere becomes stifling and usually an idols physical health is quite reflective of this. By having this competitive and toxic environment, groups are inherently self sabotaging and they're doomed to disband after a few or no comebacks.

[@defiantaichi]

@@alicekalis9086 of course. It's wonderful if they get along. But this video is specifically about groups that dont. Every workplace has friends and competition. Good chemistry behind stage definitely shows in stage performances. And most groups are evidence of that. She makes a good point about the documentary showing BTS argue. Cause that's how people really are. We argue we fight, even with those we love and care for. That's a genuine friendship

[@aspannas]

@@alicekalis9086 That's why I believe that there should be an option to live alone for groups, they are first and foremost coworkers and it's normal if you don't get along living together, even as friends. It can be quite healthy to most groups to not live together as they are already together 24/7 and even sharing rooms in the dorms I think is probably too much and they barely get any privacy. At least get them separate rooms for each member. Mamamoo, for example, have lived in separate apartments for quite some time now and they became much closer after, just because you are good friends doesn't mean you want to live together and it will work. And it's very ignorant for fans think that all kpop groups are good friends with each other, probably a lot of them are just acquaintances for their work and may not even get along well.

[@alicekalis9086]

@@aspannas that's true...

[@cherrydrop9922]

I think this just supports the argument that groups should not be debuting with underage members, the emotional maturity needed to deal with everything is so great.

[@naysgaming]

yeah but then again your age does not determine your maturity level.

[@kekw5153]

Wait weren't yeri underaged when she joined RV like 16? Her age and joy is 4 yrs apart but their friendship is still close

[@aloha_lax]

@@kekw5153 and im pretty sure she has a good friend ship with a girl 10 years older than her (irene)

[@charlieackles8254]

Nay’s Gaming yes it does. being old doesn’t automatically mean someone is mature, but being super young *does* automatically mean a person is somewhat immature. maturity comes from experiences, nobody’s born mature. so a 14 year old or even a 16yo can’t be “mature” because they don’t have key life experiences that you need to become somewhat mature. but granted, some people have gone through those key life experiences and are still immature lol

[@whitegold2960]

@@naysgaming but it’s an indicator

[@yaminisaggurthi936]

I remember how in the Blackpink documentary it was mentioned how the girls didn't become friends overnight. Their dynamic as a group was good during monthly evaluations as they decided they would do what's best for them as a group during their trainee days in an effort to make their debut which eventually lead them to become really good friends. Even in Blackpink house, it is mentioned how since they spend so much time together during work, they all like spending more time alone, which I believe is a somewhat realistic view of how their dynamic is.

[@sarahh9214]

Exactly. If I were to guess I feel like blackpink considers each other very close coworkers and have a good chance of staying friends after disbandment. From what I have seen they seem to have a mutual respect for each other and know their places in the group (of course I could be totally off since I don’t know them). They also hang out with each other out of work like with Jennie being at Jisoo’s brother’s wedding.

[@SeaDemon25]

yeah it helps that blackpink is just 4 members, looks like they have good relationship and have lots of space, when they are not promoting or on tour they live in their own houses and hang ouut together now and then. Becouse they dont release music that often i think it created healty relationship. Big groups that are always promoting new singles and mini albums in korea and japan and world tours are almost always together 24/7 with high stress so there is more fighting

[@heejinators7342]

@@sarahh9214 I thought all members showed up to jisoo’s brothers wedding

[@chbibss]

i feel like bp are non-related siblings, they even called each other sisters. healthy sibling relationships don’t have to hangout all the time to be close, seeing that they live all away from each other, but when they do they still love to be together and genuinely show respect for each other . that’s what i think blackpink’s connection is and it’s refreshing for a group to act so uniquely outside of the group but still harmonize well together :)

[@ludofratta2328]

I think too that blackpink are able to be close friends because they have a great balance between their work and private life. It does help that they have personalities that match well together and have a deep respect and love for each other, you can see it in the many time they hang out and don't post about it, but you find out thanks to some really good detective fans that recognise clothes and things like that or even how they know a lot about each other and do little things for each other such as visiting the other members during solo activities, having a good relationships with the others family and taking care of each other. I don't think they are the only group to have a genuine friendship, but I think it's one of the few that is noticeable even with the little screen time they have together

[@forgotmyun]

I think it’s also because back in the west, girl groups ARE friends most of the time. The Spice Girls looked for their own management who would accept all 5 members. Little Mix is also known to be close. Fifth Harmony’s dynamic was more similar to most KPop groups, and yeah we saw how that ended.

[@lemonaidebey6190]

5h was different because its been leaked from the very beginning the group was meant to launch camila's solo career. The label didnt care for the group 😒 4h are close

[@forgotmyun]

lemonaide bey which is still more common in the kpop industry, some members are shoved into the spotlight whether they really want to or not (Hyuna, Suzy etc etc) we don’t really know what their perspective is because they have to keep this image up. It’s very different than other groups that seem to be much more friendly off camera. Lezbihonest for a second here, without the Spice Girls, most girl groups wouldn’t even exist. But you can’t manufacture that bond, which is KPop’s biggest mistake tbh

[@Justme-lf5oj]

@@lemonaidebey6190 really? I never heard of that. So basically the 4h members know this from the start or at the end of their 5h works?

[@illona2537]

That's a lot of stress, I'm not very familiar with kpop but this sounds terrifying.

[@OOOO0OOOO0001___]

5th harmony in my opinion was so toxic. The producers only made that group so camilla can debut as a solo singer. not only that but their fandom and camilla was SO racist towards normani calling her slurs on social media. their arugements about their mismanagement in the group really made me feel bad for them and now i see why they disbanded 😔

[@Tania-ex6ve]

No kpop group friendships are perfect. Even I get annoyed with my friends once in a while even though I love them. And I chose them as friends. Members are chosen by the company and members don’t have a say in who will be in it. Especially in such a competitive place, even after debut(if some members are more famous than others). In big groups with many members , there would be friend groups within then groups itself. Some members would be obviously closer to you than others . And there would also be members who you don’t like as well. Obviously not everyone bullies their members like jimin did , but not everyone loves each Other.

[@faervas1234]

The you need to stop being a fan of Kpop. The entire industry is based on what People consider being a bully. The age formality would be considered bullying in some cultures. If the leader is not being harsh on the others. Then the company would be get a talking to them for being to easy on them and it's their fault if a member does something wrong. The entire industry is based on negative reinforcement. complement are extremely rare. You doing a great job is expected. Their are company cultures and group dynamics that are different. leaders are Put in a position of being critical of the other members. Then they get blamed for being a bully. There is alway more going on and the person who claim to be the victim are not that innocent.

[@aspannas]

@@faervas1234 You have a very twisted way of looking at what a leader is supposed to do and be. A leader should NOT bully, be harsh, use negative reinforcement etc. And what is this victim blaming? "Then they get blamed for being a bully." Wtf, if they are bullying the members then they are a bully, there's no excuse? There's several people in the industry who DO NOT bully as a leader, Namjoon from BTS and Solar from Mamamoo, you can encourage, use the right kind of reinforcement and be supportive as a leader and be successful, these two groups have shown that. You seem yourself to be in that head space of a bully, I hope you change your perspective on what a leader is and what actual leaders in kpop are, because a good leader is NOT a fucking bully.

[@faervas1234]

@@aspannas I not saying it's a good thing. How much do you understand about South Korea culture? I know there had been efforts to change but It is very common to be called in and to be scolded by your boss for an hour or more. South Korea is known for what we would call bullying. One of the issue is if you are suddenly the oldest in group you become the leader regardless if you are up to the task or not. In another group you are treated like a baby or child because you are suddenly the Youngest in another group. There is a high rate of suicide among young people in South Korea extremely high for women from the ages 22 to 30. You seem to think I am advocating for this style of leadership I am not. It is the culture that is South Korea. Everyone who is pointing the fingers don't take into account that Mina may be right about being bullied but she is using the lens from outside of South Korea. Who don't understand it is systematic in the culture and to blame one person as the problem, when it is a wider social issue. Way of crayon pop talks about the physical abuse she received when she makes mistakes. A BBC documentary about Nine Muses shows how they members were treated on video. Even getting slapped. I was so common the CEO didn't even think it would be a problem to slap one of the members in front of the camera. In the Pilot episode of Anthony Bourdain he was in koreatown talking to the guy who start the food truck trend. A second generation restaurant owner spoke on how a customer had a complaint because he change a flower arrangement. The customer called the restaurant owner father who is retired. The restaurant owner had to go to the family home and get scolded for 3 hours about changing a flower arrangement. After work you are expected to have a drinks with your team where the your supervisor, goes over everything you did wrong. If the supervisor miss something the person above them will scold them for missing your mistake. It is the supervisor job to correct you on everything minor issue.

[@aspannas]

​@@faervas1234 Being the oldest doesn't make you the leader in all groups, Namjoon in BTS is an example of that, he's in the middle of their ages of 7 members and he's not the only leader in the group, Hoseok also takes part of being the leader when it comes to other things such as performance and choreography. And BTS always talk about how they handle it and how they support each other because they know it's hard for Namjoon sometimes to be the leader. They also have a really good relationship with their CEO, they even make fun of him all the time and aren't scared to go against what the company says sometimes, Seokjin is an example of that. I do know a lot about Korean culture and how work relationships are, but that doesn't mean it's that case for every single instance in the industry, there are good people and good relationships between companies and their groups. There's Sunmi who has known JYP for like 15+ years and even after leaving the company, is still really close and even collaborated just recently. Of course the whole industry and basically the korean culture needs to change if it's gonna be able to stop these groups being mistreated, controlled and not cared for by their companies but that doesn't mean there's no good people and good relationships in kpop.

[@faervas1234]

@@aspannas I didn't say their are not good companies. My point is people who a critical of Jimin and Mina situation. It was the circumstance not the person. Mina knows this but crafted a narrative that wholly blame Jimin. Look at mamamoo and Izone seem to be treating the members well. Also EXiD seemed to treat them well. These are the exceptions

[@defiantaichi]

K-pop needs to do away with the concept of visual tbh. It every destructive.

[@lemonaids5689]

Korea is a very beauty centric place, it probably never will go away.

[@defiantaichi]

@@lemonaids5689 true. also, music in Korea evolved with television. Unlike USA or Japan or UK or India where it started with radio. So things like visuals, MVS, stages will always be a part of K-pop. Music is visual in sk.

[@katja3957]

agree. all kpop idols are pretty anyway, what does a visual position actually add?

[@strudelh]

Exactly, its not just bad for the "non-visuals" who think they're ugly and feel insecure. But it's so bad the the member labeled as the "visual" in the group. Where they want too be seen for their talents and not just for their looks. For example tyuzu from twice, hyunjin from stray kids, etc.

[@MissSushi123]

Life revolves around beauty and visuals. You can't really take something like that away when it's given to us to begin with.

[@chantalbellefeuille4310]

Key and Minho from SHINee really disliked each other when they were trainees and during their first year after their debut. But they didn't want it to affect the success of SHINee so they made an agreement to get along and now they're like brothers.

[@dipsikhapramanik6668]

they have been together for 12 years now

[@blessmeachoo3639]

I remember the reason why Key moved out of the dorm. He was always with the members and when he saw Minho he wanted to spank him, he thought it's not good for them anymore so he moved out. Lol

[@shadotarot]

Co-workers don't have to be friends; ppl who disagree prolly never work in an office or in a team a day in their lives.

[@LinaKei]

I was in a kpop cover group for 7 years. I have experienced many hardships such as fights, jealousy, gossips etc. There were member who always wanted to be at center position, members who were praised more then the others, members who lacked a lot so their self esteem were at a point zero. There was a member who is not even talking to me nowadays and when I meet her on a street she is pretending she doesn't know me. We were standing on the same stage. I have never done anything bad to her. We were just not a personality match. Especially for girls, it's very hard to find people who match. And because the groups are build based on personalities, there will be always at least one member who will ruin all the group.

[@thanhsanmina200112]

it must be really difficult. but do you mind naming the group?

[@aliathesleepyarsenalfan]

I'm going to debut in one soon .... what should I look out for ?

[@cows7192]

@@aliathesleepyarsenalfan r u really debuting in a group (sorry if it sounds intrusive)

[@appleleahsinto5014]

@@aliathesleepyarsenalfan im gonna be ur bias 💅💅

[@kys4s4c]

I remember there was a petition to get Hwasa off of Mamamoo because she was the "visual hole" and look at her now. I'm not claiming that Mamamoo likes each other all the time but I think their friendship is the realest I personally have ever seen in kpop groups. I think group leaders are also important in swallowing criticisms, disputes and keeping the group together.

[@emukasa__]

Same with dreamcatcher except for anyone leaving the group if atuff like that.

[@Furendz]

They do have fights. Solar was a bit strict with hwasa at the beginning. After seeing her solo, solar cried and contemplated on her actions, saying she should've treated hwasa better. I still see them being awkward together. Still, they did quite well at being professional with their group relationships.

[@CleverMunkey]

Wheein said she will leave the group with hwasa when the members pulled a prank about kicking hwasa out. She was dead serious about it. That's true friendship! 😍

[@Furendz]

@@CleverMunkey I adore their friendship. Wheein is a bit weight conscious. She easily gets depressed when people says she's fat. And guess who's got her back. Hwasa. She told her to not care about what people think. Which is pretty helpful considering it's coming from hwasa. The most bashed among the four of them.

[@kys4s4c]

@@Furendz they do have fights which all friends do and are open about it and don't hide it which is my point.

[@Pain-yx1ri]

competition is the spice of sports; but if you make spice the whole meal, you'll get sick.

[@Arinaretina]

Underrated comment

[@Bongi344]

I've watched it, it's nice...thankyou 😊

[@LoonaticOrbit]

Damn

[@AIIXIII0]

Wise. It sucks that Naruto kicked your ass.

[@Pain-yx1ri]

@@AIIXIII0 He was the main character. That was his strength over me :')

[@Reeeses.pieces]

Ever since the mina situation I've been so paranoid about other groups

[@jungyeonsbeans8578]

same

[@dproductions7293]

Me think a lot about snsd bullying yuri color, tiffany americam, jessica being beautifull and hard person etc

[@dproductions7293]

And they just ignore Jessica as a person and as a member of the group, i just cant accept

[@dproductions7293]

@qυιηтεssεηтιαl qυεεη i always wait for the worst, so i think jessica was bullied, we have a lot of videos who proof that, and we already know she and taeyeon have fight on igab era, they restart to talk with each other in mr mr era, this is one of a lot of things who we have on jessica during snsd era

[@dproductions7293]

@qυιηтεssεηтιαl qυεεη man i saw a lot of fancams, and a lkt of thigs about snsd, so i know what im talking about I really wish they are good friends nowadays, but lets be real, snsd can fight for one member if they care about them

[@FirstLast-dt5jk]

Yesung did say "being in a group is like you are in a classroom. You can't like them all, but whenever there's competition between classes, you would want your class to win. You have your own group/friends in that one big classroom." I never see any other accurate description like this. He admits that even he is not that close to some members. It's not hate. It's just.. you don't match in a lot of things.. but just have to work together in making sure the group can proceed further. Nothing personal tho.

[@ningmeng5941]

i remember reading an interview about melanie and tia, they were close friends when they were young and thats why they joined their company, now theyre not close at all :/ they dont even follow each other on ig... its rlly sad

[@kholidamsolikhah0373]

OMG i remember they are debuting at the same time as Apink

[@lazyshawarma8419]

Oh my god Chocolat : (

[@sonder8310]

Isn't it weird that in Kpop friendship gets measured by who follows who? Like as an Ig outsider I am just - 🗿

[@bkzl]

@@sonder8310 it's the only way you kind of get an insight into things since we can't directly talk to them. Idk if they were as close as they were when they were younger following each other on ig would seem normal

[@sonder8310]

@@bkzl ayy don't mind me I don't have these kinds of things and seeing how stressful and meaningful such little things can get I am glad at that :D

[@thisisavivistanaccount7866]

They don’t have to be close because at the end of the day, they are doing a job. Most people who have jobs know they don’t get along with everyone at their work place and that’s ok. However, to be professional you should at the very least be respectful to your coworkers. Going out of your way to bully or antagonize coworkers is wrong. In kpop groups it makes it easier to work if you are close, and it creates special chemistry in performances and easier to appear on variety show etc. but it’s not a necessity.

[@bananabunch4590]

PREACH!!!

[@fanboyioi4441]

True but also remember being an idol is not just a job like other people’s. This is their dream and it’s a lifestyle. Most jobs you speak of people did not dream of it at a young age so that’s where I disagree in using kpop is a job as an argument

[@cod9372]

@@fanboyioi4441 Your argument is so absurd, it reminded me of a phrase from the Austrian theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli: "That is not only not right; it is not even wrong". What makes you think being a k-pop idol is *not* a normal job? They were hired by someone to deliver a service, and if they delivered said services to the best of their abilities, they received the tangible compensations specified on the contract. That's it, and whether the idols love the job they're doing or not is _completely irrelevant._

[@cupid6835]

Funny, our needs are getting too much. We now pay people to act fake so that we can daydream about them 😂

[@AIIXIII0]

@@fanboyioi4441 It is a job bruh. Even sports are considered jobs. What OP said is right.

[@ameliapond13]

If you have been in choir, it is literally the same. The choir teacher will pick out people they think will be the best for a solo part. I had this happen in the many years( since i was 5.)that i was in choir and dance. People that joined as friends ended up leaving as rivals.

[@moonchill165]

Omg yes! My close friend who was in choir since middle school and was kind of the main soloist and center wanted me to join when we got into highschool. I joined for fun and just to put more extracurricular stuff in my college portfolio. Little did I know that I actually could carry a note well better than my friend. The instructor noticed right away and slowly pushed me to be center and take main solo parts more often. It put me in seriously uncomfortable position as my close friend who introduced me to choir on the first place was being slowly shoved to the side by me. It caused some seriously thick tension between us for the first time.

[@drishyam272]

@@moonchill165 and what happened next???

[@moonchill165]

@@drishyam272 well I started to find that any little thing I did was irritating or annoying to her. She would nitpick me or make condescending jabs. Our friend group noticed too how we just weren't as close as we used to be. It was like the meaner she was to me the more I was like you know what I will take the solo parts and not even feel bad about it. We went from talking everyday to barely once a week. When we graduated and left choir we reconnected and literally laughed about the whole thing and how something so ridiculous came between our friendship. We are currently both seniors in college and are pretty good friends again lol long story short a fuelled competitive atmosphere can really bring out the bitchiness in friends without you even knowing it.

[@peachypeach4898]

choir teams are literally battlefields 😭😭

[@rizkiliantih.anggianni7535]

as a member of choir and being a bestfriend of an alto singer who often be choosen as a soloist, sometimes I envy with her because she really has good voice and that's why she choose to sing solo part often, but if only the coach choose me as a soloist, i will ruin the whole choir's performance I think it's okay to choose someone as a center, as a visual, as a face of the group whatever it calls but please do not compare each other because it hurts everyone in the group

[@Charlotte-hl2uk]

I always cringe when people comment “my group love each other” but these people are literally paid to get along. There’s probably more bullying cases out there than we know 😕

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

LmAo

[@ZzRaidennZZ]

And they base their opinions on content made to sell idols friendship like documental and movies omegalul

[@Miss_understood]

and then they will be like this idol raised my standards because of his personality uwu, then the said "personality" is a role they were assigned by their company

[@bokuwautsu]

kpop fans are known to make brave statements regarding their member and group

[@meelamiela]

@@Miss_understood THIS 😂😂😂 IT MAKES ME CRINGE SO BAD LIKE its not real babes

[@yvesforbesfloresii]

To be honest, the topic in this video reminds me of the 2011 South Korean horror film, White: Melody of Death, because in that film, four members of the group, Pink Dolls, which is a fictional girl group, are fighting over on who will be the main star or center of the group, after Eun-ju, the leader, played by T-ARA's Eunjung, discovers an old videotape of an unreleased music video of an unreleased song called White, which was re-recorded by them and it skyrocketed them to popularity.

[@reyanime]

I love that song White. Never seen the movie though.

[@cherry-nw1sl]

yo i remember watching this with my classmates back in middle school

[@milkduds9148]

This sounds like it could be really iinteresting, I wonder where the horror is... Would you recommend it?

[@yvesforbesfloresii]

@@milkduds9148 Sure.

[@babyanie4673]

I love that movis

[@clitorispilled]

for four years, i have never understood why koreaboos want to be kpop idols.... like the amount of mental pressure is insane i cant even imagine why people are willing to go thru that to be admired by the public eye

[@oqeufh]

True, I mean, each to their own I guess if someone enjoys that kind of lifestyle of being stressed out 24/7 then you do you, but I definitely don't get it lol.

[@tillycomedy2194]

the ones who stay and persevere have an undying passion for performing and making music. it's a cruel and gruelling lifestyle, but to them, it's the only way they know how to achieve their dreams. keep in mind, the average age to debut at 16-20 yrs old. they join the company when they were kids or teenagers, they're very easily manipulated into accepting terrible work conditions.

[@clitorispilled]

@@tillycomedy2194 yeah, i think i get it a lot more compared to me a year ago LMAOO its unfortunate that they put themselves under such circumstances unknowingly and I really hope in the future theres a stride more towards safer working conditions

[@tillycomedy2194]

@@clitorispilled 100% agree that the sk government needs to be much stricter when it comes to enforcing ethical working conditions for trainees and idols!! and they need to set laws to punish people for cyberbullying!!!

[@mimiandy1683]

I don’t think they understand how hard it will be working and living in another country and living in a place with a different culture and lifestyle. South Korea, as nice as it is, isn’t the U.S., the U.K., or Canada, when it comes to discrimination laws and feminism in their culture.

[@Sunny-xq3ul]

Wow i cant believe choyoon got beaten up by her groupmates 😭

[@elliebowtell]

IKR

[@bunnywar]

I don't care if they're friends or not, I do care about professionalism and respect, not wanting to work with someone is one thing but physically putting them in harm's way or physically harming them directly is unacceptable. It sad that there are cases when people side with the bullies or when both are at fault but one doesn't have to face any consequences whilst everyone attacks the other.

[@a_shan8662]

so this is what kevin moon meant when he mentioned kpop being scripted...

[@dearestkill]

a_shan ooo which video/interview

[@a_shan8662]

@@dearestkill he mentioned it briefly in a vlive a few months ago but can't remember the date

[@emerald442]

kevin moon? an ex idol?

[@a_shan8662]

@@emerald442 omg noo 😭😭 he's a member from the group ' The Boyz '. they're also having a cb on 0921 and their teasers are fcking amazing

[@emerald442]

@@a_shan8662 oh the boyz! i'm so sorry i didnt knew that! usually idols who are active are kinda private about this. do u know where he talk about it? i kinda curious. gonna check them out!

[@Jana-bn4dn]

just look at twice jeongyeon and nayeon both are lead vocalists yet nayeon gets all the lines center time the best outfits and is more popular yes they might have gone to school together but you can’t tell me jeongyeon doesn’t have any bitter feelings it’s only human to feel like that

[@kimkardashi-un2.051]

I often think she would feel that too. Like imagine, your job is to sing and dance but you can't even do it. But again, I really hope that they can put that aside 😔

[@defiantaichi]

They do mention it. But idols are careful not to blame anyone. And that's what being a professional is. Idols complain about not getting parts all the time. But I think it's commendable they don't go around taking names of other members.

[@fluffyyshaa]

my bias is nayeon but i really despise jyp for not giving jeongyeon enough lines 🙄 i thought jyp had been a good company before all this, jyp was actually my favourite company. but after i heard that they were mistreating got7, i realised that they weren't only mistreating them, but all the groups in jyp too... because of jyp, twice probably will never get solo activites, star in dramas, etc. they don't even have their own instagram accounts 🙄 i have officially left the jyp-fandom as of yesterday, and now i only support the groups UNDER jyp, hoping the best for them...

[@miriii_6066]

@@fluffyyshaa i definitely agree with you (i wish GOT7 was able to release their SELF-PRODUCED songs 😔)however i think it would be best for you to address it to JYPE not JYP, the artist.

[@karenbarrientos9828]

Am I the only one that feels like Jihyo doesn’t get treated like a main vocalist? Although I love More and More that song just sounds like a mess

[@sltslt24]

Also let's not forget that blackmailing incident didn't only ruin that one groups career but also pushed back and halted many female trainees to the point where big hit gave up having female trainnes

[@miamichelleabad5821]

@@yukijames1321 Same, I loved Glam and they had the potential to have a longer career together

[@NewBlueTrue]

Isn’t Big Hit bringing back female trainees. Big Hit is helping manage GFriend since buying Source Music. Some members of GFriend used to be Big Hit trainees. Funny how it comes full circle

[@kizoyah9253]

Tbh i think it’s stupid to not make any girl groups or accept female trainees bc of that one incident..

[@orangeoak5319]

Since this comment they announced they’re bringing in a GG sometime in 2021

[@teawithsugarandsomekookies4634]

@@kizoyah9253 ikr

[@SeikiRikodou]

I remember Tiffany once said "You not a true girl group yet if you didn't argue/fight with each other" so that's why i don't believe in "We know each other's differences so we adjust and get along" BS that some of the groups always say.

[@FebiMaster]

Right, even the closest friends would argue sometimes, it's just part of human nature, people naturally have differences from each other and that's what makes us human

[@SolarisMySun]

Honestly, I trust groups that say they fight, argue, misunderstand each other but then apologize and still get along and dont hold grudges. They're human, they will fight because they have different opinions, they will misunderstand each other because they all have different personalities... MAMAMOO is a great example. Moonbyul and Solar talks about the Cereal Fight to the point it became a joke in the fandom Hwasa said "Destiny" is a song that reminds her of the members, because, there were moments they hated each other, misunderstood each other but all 4 of them were destined to be together and the chorus part of the song represents their strong bonds (Idol Radio 2019) Solar cried when she rememberes in Vlive 2017 she scolded Wheein and got really mad, but never had a chance to properly apologize Solar cried too in 2019 Life Bar while talking about how she rarely complimented the members in the past, because she didn't know what to do as a leader, so she rarely complimented members, specially Hwasa, and when TWIT got #1 she couldn't really say a word because she had SO MUCH to say, so she hugged Hwasa and cried, Hwasa cried with her and revealed "She didn't say anything, but I understood it all" and in 2019 Idol Radio, Hwasa opened up to Solar saying a lot of things which made both of them cry. And in 2017 Vlive, Moonbyul said "I get this question a lot ""Are you all really close?"" I don't know about other groups, but I'm sure about this one thing, we are really close" In 2019 knowing bros, mamamoo were asked about Hwasa rising popularity and Solar said "Some people might think that it's just her doing well, but it impact us in a good way because we're mamamoo" so she reassured fans that even though Hwasa is the rising star getting a lot of CF/Wins and such, they're all ONE And they always have these heartwarming moments where they say a few words to each other, you can see how close they are. Wheein and Hwasa are best friends since middle school so it's obvious that they're the most close among them all and that Solar and Moonbyul are closest because the year gap between them is not that much. but MAMAMOO gets along really well, they're always contacting each other off cam too. Not only MAMAMOO, but BTS, GOT7 too have these moments where they fight on cam and off cam, but this kind of things are NORMAL and it only helps their friendship to grow stronger than ever

[@Bongi344]

You must be a veteran radish, thankyou for writing all of this!

[@Noelciaaa]

Also the fact that Mamamoo is just 4 members must help a lot. It's easier to keep peace and create a sense of comraderie in a small group

[@bluegalvez3101]

It's true. GOT7 always say they do fight but find a way to reconsile.

[@Justme-lf5oj]

@@Noelciaaa true, it's easier for girlgroup especially.

[@larissamota1718]

Another thing that makes Mamamoo's friendship seem real is the fact that the rest of the group participated in Hwasa's Maria mv. In the commentary, Hwasa said they are there because it's their support that keeps Hwasa's character from the suffering showcased in the mv. It might have been just another tactic from the company, but it was one of those situations in which they didn't need to be together and still were, making it all look more genuine.

[@Minzzo_69]

It’s fine if you want to ship fictional people, But do NOT ship real people.

[@lee...9098]

this!! i only ship people that are dating already

[@escfrenchnerd9421]

Periodt

[@nicolehernandezmorales4006]

when Mina from twice got anxiety and then came back was a real test for twice as a group, she had the option to leave but stayed thanks to the members, I think idol groups can go two ways, the hardships either separate you and grow into resentment and hate, or those same hardships can unite the members even more and make the bond stronger, really good and informative video!

[@ikhwanmauaja1184]

Now, we have another "test" with Jeongyeon. And judging by her personality, this seems to be the "real" one (i mean the test)

[@thefroggy5240]

twice seems to get along really well. i'm not a fan but i saw a video a few days ago of jeongyeon looking kind of stiff and awkward staring straight ahead and jihyo just looked into her face and held her hand. they all seem to have a good bond.

[@felipe21994]

@@thefroggy5240 they get along, but the 9 of them are not that close, they are a group with almost zero solo activities, so they tend to display good relationsships, but soome people say that they compite in several aspects, I also think that those times were not real trials, those were just idols that needed help or some time apart and they got them and jyp gave them because twice are 9 members and any situation like that could be bad publicity for the group

[@Soufriere84]

@@felipe21994 OBVIOUSLY in a group of nine young women, it's impossible to expect everyone to be best friends. I've been cynical about Kpop for years thanks to all the scandals plus the toxic environments noted in this very video. That said, I have yet to see any real evidence that any Twice girls genuinely hate each other (and I do try to look beyond the façade), and certain members are known to be very close. Jeongyeon flat-out admitted that she did not even _speak_ to Mina during Mina's trainee period and was harsh on her at the start of Sixteen to the point Mina cried. Later, Jeongyeon came to like Mina and Mina, known to be an introvert even before her 2019 anxiety-induced hiatus, has repaid that by being Jeongyeon's rock after JY _also_ had to take a break due to anxiety following her neck injury and Koreans slammed her for putting on weight. Mina didn't have to hold Jeongyeon's hand during one the first activities JY took part in after returning. Jihyo was friends with Jeongyeon during their trainee years and was the other member to _directly_ comfort JY during that show. Again, even with the cameras on, she didn't have to do that. Meanwhile, I've seen some people accuse Nayeon of being a bully, which she evidently was during Sixteen, but that was a high-stakes elimination show. It doesn't absolve her but it gives context. She has a longstanding habit of visiting certain members during solo shoots and is known to be very close to Momo. On the flip side, Dahyun rarely if ever appears with Nayeon offstage and DH apparently still holds a grudge for Nayeon's behavior in Sixteen. So, assuming they're all best friends is ludicrous, but they can at least get along, which is more than I can say for the guys in BTS, who I've heard genuinely hate each other. Or some of the others girl-groups in this video.

[@nikkiclarke2260]

@@Soufriere84 Where did it say the BTS members hate each other? (I’m genuinely curious I had no idea people said that). I know JHope and Jimin have both come out and said that the group fought quite a bit in the beginning, but that they grew a lot closer over the years.

[@MugenRider]

Despite everything being manufactured and scripted, fans continue to treat their idols as absolute gods that "deserve everything". Then they blame the industry and companies for overworking and not helping idols with their mental issues...Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who LISTENS to the music without all the fandom stan crap.

[@viki7268]

Literally.

[@gracelbng7481]

Periodt.

[@ravenrose9688]

I'm with you, I'm DEFINITELY just focusing on the music and not the idols marketed personalities

[@defiantaichi]

I used to be 100% invested in my fav groups. Now,5 years later I don't even have time to look at MVS sometimes. Just put on KZbin music while driving or working out.

[@kai0tfoool]

Ya ok but what about all the suicides? They shouldn't get mental health issue help? Really?

[@cyberink7093]

Yeah people really interpret way too much into everything. Shipping Idols is the worst to me. I just hope the groups I Stan (Stray Kids, D-Crunch, DKB, MCND, TXT, Kard and Dreamcatcher) do at least get along.

[@simplysimpy17]

Same love some of these groups lol

[@pearljamessara9921]

Omg dkd...!!A fellow bb❤

[@issgz557]

Insomnia? ♡´･ᴗ･`♡

[@cyberink7093]

@@issgz557 Insomnia ^^

[@simplysimpy17]

@@issgz557 casual insomnia

[@valj137]

"Real friendships do not need to be flaunted." SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE ONES AT THE BACK QUEEN

[@angelacao1511]

Interestingly, I feel like the groups with better atmosphere/relationships are under smaller companies (especially companies that started off almost broke). Because this way, many of the members started off as friends instead of trainees in the same “debut lineup” competing to stay and be able to debut. Naming a few: BTS from BigHit, mamamoo from RBW, seventeen from pledis (though I’ve always had issues with pledis)

[@brendasayuribellido9169]

INFINITE too

[@asserm.8047]

to add to this, smaller companies cant afford to have a large number of trainees (more trainees: more money spent on them), meaning that the competition is way less strict. if theres 10 trainees, and after a few months its decided that 8 specific members will debut, and THEN they continue training together, the situation will be much more relaxed personally im thinking of ateez. as far as it is known there was only one other trainee that could have potentially debuted. they knew for months that they were preparing together for their debut, instead of competing for it. its not clear what happened with the 9th trainee, but it is said that since he only had a month of training it was clear from the beginning he wouldnt debut. the rest of the members knew they were in the final lineup for a long time before he came to the company, or so it is said so yeah basically... small company -> few trainees -> less competition sorry for going on a tangent !!

[@angelacao1511]

@@asserm.8047 all good! Oh yes ATEEZ is definitely another great example. BTS was in a similar situation when they first debuted (except Tae's late showcase situation, tbh that could've been an issue but BTS handled it well amongst themselves and clearly that didn't leave any negative impact) and while seventeen did have other trainees competing also, their original goal was to get 17 members (which they didn't end up reaching) so I'm guessing that eased a lot of tension between trainees.

[@newjeansfan238]

Not really, Nine Muse was with a small company, BigHit is not a small company!

[@angelacao1511]

Pajlie sorry, how long have you known Kpop? Maybe do some research? Bighit was a tiny company on the verge of being broke when BTS debuted in 2013. BTS almost ended during their N.O. era because of not enough funds and Yoongi actually said that they used to print photos on cheap hoodies because they didn’t have money. Yes, now BTS is so popular that Bighit was rich enough to become the biggest stock holder of Source music and Pledis (entertainment Gfriend is under and entertainment seventeen+Nu’est are under). But Bighit was indeed a small company with only BTS under it for years and now only with BTS and TXT.

[@sssachikoko]

Video appreciation comment!! The amount of work put into this video is crazyyyyy!! The interviews, the dancing, having friends involved too my mind is blown🤯

[@ploopy678]

Awww thanks, you’re comment means so much to me!! Im really glad you liked the video :3

[@SaraH-jn5db]

I think Sunmi's voice on this needs to be heard by every fan: "we're the same people, we just have different professions." kpop is literally a job, its not a lifestyle, therefore the people doing that job are just as vulnerable to exploitation or hate as anyone else and no one is required to like another person in real life

[@sunmoonies]

one thing people should remember kpop members = business partner if one of them lost interest, then they can choose to part aways.

[@newjeansfan238]

Yes and fans have to remember that, but fans can be so naive to believe what they see on screen is sincere, their real personnality, real friendship but it's not! And it's that: They are just business partner

[@sunmoonies]

@@newjeansfan238 also this thing reminds me of zico when he clarified that all block b members just meet up for business purposes, other than that all the members have their own private life.

[@onogrirwin]

Being directly compared to others and told "You're doing it wrong, look at him, he's doing it right. Hey! teach this guy how to do it right" was a common occurrence in the army also. It was also a competitive environment, because this was during officer training. But for the most part we looked at it as a team activity.

[@inchw0rm]

even as someone who typically tries to have a realistic view of the kpop industry this is still a hard pill to swallow even if i knew it in the back of my mind, i think a lot of people need to see this and realize that their over analyzation of idols and extreme expectations is just ridiculous. i wish the industry was different and /maybe/ there are companies/groups that have less of these issues but we just never know!

[@whitegold2960]

Yes take every group with a big grain of salt

[@chiarag.6712]

this reminded me of what bts said when talking about their close bond: “it’s something to be jealous about. People who don’t get along... even if it’s a group just like us, a lot of them don’t get along. It’s really hard for them”. They probably know so much stuff going on behind the scenes in some groups...🤭

[@hannah4107]

When did they say something so shady? BTS also fight sometimes. In their Beyond the Stage movie Tae and Jin had an argument for example and they tried hard not to let it show during the concert. It’s only natural not to get along always if you spend so much time together. The thing with BTS is that they are really good at handling conflicts and talking it out which shows how important their friendship is to them. They are one of the groups which I believe are actually really close behind the cameras ^^

[@chiarag.6712]

Hannah it’s in their most recent documentary break the silence. They also said that they bicker sometimes too cause they’re humans, but it’s never serious and they solve everything communicating . The comment about groups who don’t get along I think it’s referred to groups who are strictly business partners and not actually friends. Jessi (the rapper) also said that she was pleasantly surprised that bts are actually friends behind the scenes after working with them for an advert. this makes you wonder how many groups are faking their friendships... just look at what happened with AOA, who could’ve imagined 😧

[@ascholz429]

Hannah the point of that part of their conversation wasn’t about bts never fighting, but that bts have a genuine friendship and actually like each other. they also said it must be hard to be in a group where no one ever gets along. i don’t think they ever denied fighting, they actually have said they want to show fans the harder parts of being an idol through their documentaries. they were just making a point about how lucky they are to actually be friends really.

[@khushbubarma6767]

I just remember Jimin and v fighting over dumplings they r normal human after all

[@kajjafeeluv__775]

Hannah jungkook.... man I wonder how much that man knows

[@yerisuo7038]

We don’t stan a bully Edit: don’t reply if you’re just gonna go hahaha you wrong because yes it was bad of me for jumping to opinions but I already know I was wrong so you don’t need to tell me and if you’re gonna say at least be nice

[@bangpink2771]

PERIODT.

[@yerisuo7038]

@n c t o l o g y no I didn’t stan AOA cause I didn’t want to be anywhere near jimin (I know this is a dumb reason not to stan but I have a burning hatred for jimin)

[@yerisuo7038]

@n c t o l o g y I feel brain ded lol 😂

[@elvapeh2422]

@xxxxxx it’s a slang lmao

[@brendasayuribellido9169]

I always love Shin Jimin Even she is hated the most I will be in her side Remember we dont know what happened, and Jimin was the leader and the most pressure was on her and Seolhyun too

[@missingu2745]

this reminds me of SHINee, they said that they are business partners first on a talk show where one of the hosts asked them if they were family or smth like that

[@thisisshineeworldandwereri8786]

And they became close 4 years after debut

[@GR1ZZLEDSTYKA]

I feel like that was smart on their part because if they are business partners first then there is no fallout if members don't get along. I believe Shinees members are friends, they have played up their friendship on camera especially with what happened to Jonghyun I believe they have a healthy bond because if they didn't they wouldn't had rereleased an album after his untimely demise.

[@defiantaichi]

Idols are working . Constantly. As soon as the camera is on, it's work face on. Whether it's KZbin or stage shows or Instagram or vlive. Instead of being delusional and blind thinking that's how they are in reality, we should commend them for being professional. For putting aside their personal differences and appearing as a team. And in cases of scandals, also be prudent enough to pull support away from toxic idols.

[@tarhk]

You know when a group gets along with each other is when the contract period expires and all the members willingly resign or all leave the company.

[@kep1er_diaper]

ehem. izone

[@felipe21994]

I don't know if the group is relativitly famous and even if the menbers dont' get along the oportinity for a contract with better terms is in, I belive a lot of idols take it and just get on being profesionals and working, some probably leave because they don't see an future to the group or have their own fan base and it's a better oportunity for them

[@attorney_rosa]

that's shinhwa and got7

[@nonsens58]

about groups having manufactured on-camera characters, i feel that some idols have acted so much, that they begin to forget their real identities. that's what i find really sad.

[@Ntwurf]

The “lia brings nothing to Itzy” hurted me on so many levels wow

[@leehannuel]

ploopy, i think you should of interviewed sera from 9muses to get extra insight! i think she'd be open to it,, maybe next video!

[@ploopy678]

I actually tried contacting her, but she didn’t respond 😢

[@Ohcityy]

:(( awww! That would’ve been the best. How odd tho she’s on KZbin and has an audience. Maybe she didn’t want to spill the tea.. totally understandable..

[@Ohcityy]

@qυιηтεssεηтιαl qυεεη Sara’s background? She’s a KZbinr and she was the leader in 9MUSES

[@Ohcityy]

@qυιηтεssεηтιαl qυεεη her KZbin screen name is @ sera ryu

[@emerald442]

@@ploopy678 i'm wondering if there a beef between male and female idols, or female and female, male and male behind the camera. is there an intense rival or nowadays not like before? also maybe u can talk a heavy topic such as sexual harassment to male and female idols that was harassed by female/male idols?

[@Ninaloasana]

The more i watch videos about idol mistreatment, the more i realize how horrible their living situations are and how much ent. companies want to portray perfect image of their idols. They put their idols through hell but expect them to portray that they're living in heaven with perfect friendship, perfect life, perfect job, perfect company, etc. At the end i realize that's companies dont only sell their idol's music but selling them as a concept for fans to fantasize. And it's so sad because not only such system allow fans to put unrealistic expectations for their idols, literally every aspect of their lives become public property. Their friendship, their feelings for other people, their looks, weight, are free for the public to judge 24/7. It's even sadder considering many idols are literally still children when they became trainees and exposed to such abusive environment. Even adults will have a hard time dealing with all that. No wonder many idols have heaaps of mental issues.

[@cod9372]

As unjust the system is, it's not fair to blame it all on the companies - because that horribly unrealistic and unhealthy concept of perfection is *exactly* what we, the customers, are asking for.

[@whitegold2960]

@@cod9372 yes that’s the problem for example feeds like is insert idol fat and so on. If the individual idol want to be skinner from what I heard as an example Gahyeon from Dreamcatcher that’s fine but who are the consumers to judge how an idol has to look

[@minsuga7898]

I remember bts saying that whenever they bickered in the earlier years, all 7 of them would sit and talk it out and over the 7 years they became so used to each other's personalities that they found problems too petty for them to break their strong brotherhood over. I think that's one of the things that helped them break the 7 year curse in kpop and re-sign for another 7 years Also when bts used to get alot of hate comments in English in their rookie years, RM used to lie and tell them they were being praised so the members wouldn't get hurt

[@cottonsan5226]

lol, imagine your faves having beef with each other but then they have to be clingy and do fanservice with each other when the cameras start rolling. after watching the old videos of how these ex-idols interact with the members they had issues with back in their days, i can say they are good at covering up whatever rift it is they have with each other. some kinda slip up with their body language, but most of them, wow, you'd think they're close.

[@soundsoftheheart3164]

I don't get the whole "visual" thing... Beauty is subjective... But then again, I'm not Korean so I don't know anything about Korean beauty standards... But from my own opinion, I am always attracted to a member that is NOT the "visual" of the group....

[@uaenaonce8231]

I whole-heartedly agree with the part about visuals being stupid but I have seen a lot of people who say that same stuff but go out of their way to say why their bias is so much prettier than the actual visual "aCcOrdiNg to kOreN beauTY sTanDarDs, just 'facts'." I saw a person saying how visual positions are toxic and then claiming that Yuna(16) of itzy's face looks weird from certain sides which is why lia is prettier and all in the same reply section. Glad you didn't say something like other members are prettier or insult visuals to bring up your biases.

[@soundsoftheheart3164]

@@uaenaonce8231 I've seen this too tbh and I hate people that do that!! I think all idols are beautiful in their own way. Sometimes I don't even know who the visual is in a group because I find all of them attractive... I literally have to go research who the visual is. But you are so right. People will uplift their faves while bringing down other members and that's not fair on anyone. Me personally, I just find idols really attractive, handsome, beautiful, cute, pretty etc in their own ways.

[@tuoanhnguyen4517]

I'm usually attracted to the least or less popular members of Kpop groups. I feel like I can somehow relate with them.

[@simplysimpy17]

@@tuoanhnguyen4517 same

[@sophiaperiii1483]

@@tuoanhnguyen4517 yeah like having a soft spot for them

[@Honeykissfire77]

I remember one of the members in SHINee talking about how when they lived together they would bicker and have arguments and such constantly, and when they were able to live separately they became a close-knit family and have that synergy that makes them the group they are today. So yeah, people need to have space. And then again with groups, it could take having to live together for a while to understand the others and friendships can form from there. But, we, the people looking in, can only speculate. We'd have to actually go through this kind of thing to fully understand. I personally, could not do something like this so respect to the ones that are willing to try and to those that make it to achieve your dream.

[@bodkimalone]

I think these fans are so obsessed with having members being friends so emphasising it...so we don't notice nothing else...but then like with aoa,the image is ruined and they don't want it....so they just follow the hate,but hey idk,I'm not expecting idols to get along...because no 2 person is the same

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

Especially the shipping is too much

[@aishgeraldinia5063]

Honestly I am patiently waiting for a company that treats their trainees like humans 😤

[@garyenkwong1683]

ashesuwu_ 5 years Later....I’m still waiting.

[@miamichelleabad5821]

maybe Psy's company, P-Nation is better. He took in Hyuna and EDawn when Cube gave up on them after their dating scandal

[@socorrocruz]

I mean Bang Si-Hyuk said in one of his speeches that CEO's should treat their artists like humans because they are all humans and have feelings

[@Stuporous]

The only companies which I feel like I sort of can trust are Psy's company and BigHit in treating their Artists like actual humans. Perhaps Ateez's company too. (yes, BTS have gone through a lot back in the days and were treated like shit, but now they aren't anymore. Even the new groups from BigHit like TXT and ENHYPEN I feel like are getting treated really well)

[@SeohyunChan1]

I feel like the closest to this is Happyface Entertainment, Dreamcatcher's company. They made a sublabel, Dreamcatcher Company, to focus on dc's activities. They're also given a lot of social media freedom. They can do vlives whenever they want to, they can also record with staff(especially lately the staff has become more comfortable to show their face on camera) they can do literally anything chaotic, and the company is totally okay with it. Comebacks are consistent, the company is always searching for a way to make all members shine equally. Example, they let their Chinese member participate in a survival show back at China to gain more confidence,and explore her own qualities. She released a solo track recently(the 2nd member in dc to do so). So hopefully as long as the company keeps this up, the group members wont have hard feelings on each other regarding things. Its much easier to be close to colleagues in a healthy working environment. I hope more companies can take this example

[@kylez3845]

The situation regarding a member being in the center while the other was singing. They did that to Jooyi of RaNia so much. She sang like 60% of their songs but was never in the center.

[@yoon9521]

I meant, let's all look at their pov: when you're trainee you and the other members were rivals. One of you might be kicked out and you're constantly compared to, during weekly evaluation you're made to compete again like it's impossible not feeling threatened, in some scenario your friends got kicked out bc the other members were chosen and you'd feel bitter about it too like why her and not your friends? Then after debut, the line distribution were divided according to the atmosphere (how well you suit the line) and popularity (most popular member usually get the catchiest line) and you'd wonder again why you who sang better got no line, and then of course, screentime. Not to mention, individual jobs. Why did they send this member to this show, even if it's not me there's Miss X who's better. Also, when that member ranked in brand reputation wayyy higher than you, got more ads, got tv gigs, solo projects etc. That's only between group, they still have to compete with other groups. Sometimes, it's not just inferiority complex and insecurities, but other factors too. Ofc, this is business. In the end, only those who sells will be promoted. I understand that popular member might get a solo before main vocalist, bc they have stronger fanbase to support them. No companies in their right mind will promote non selling artist. Even fans of all members can't really support this less popular member solo project. For example a group of 5 girls, one of them got solo debut, she's the less popular member but was the main vocalist, OT5 fans would buy her album but let's be real, they'd probably buy 1 album only and her OT1 fans were too small in quantity. On the other hand, if the most popular member debut, her OT1 fans might bought 20+ copies per person and she's got like 10 times OT1 fans than the aforementioned main vocalist. That's just how life is.

[@commercialfree]

Idol groups are all about image, they might show an innocent, sweet or cute image in public but privately they're not. So don't believe everything we see they post on their group's social media accounts i.e twitter, instagram or FB page. Also I don't believe that everyone is close to each other, sure they can all be friends but for sure there are members that they are more closer to than others. Remember idols are here to sell a fantasy and as a fan we must know how to separate the fantasy from reality. We don't know who they really are in and especially off camera. We only know what the company chooses to let us know.

[@utpaladas9243]

Cough cough woojin , jimin from aoa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TokkiStar]

There was an SM trainee on tumblr a few years ago that said chanyeol and baekhyun's ship was staged and that Sehun and Chanyeol were the real best friends. And this was said years before they debuted as Exo SC

[@stellalebay767]

Remember guys. Girl group are mostly valued by their looks, and imagine how creepy it is when the one who chooses the visual is a bunch of old men

[@patrickkenyon2326]

I have seen how management behave on " interview day". It's like watching little kids in a chocolate shop. Only disgusting.

[@sugarshaz7854]

I think it’s amazing how SNSD (outside the Jessica fiasco) has remained so close. I do feel like Tiffany is their glue though and getting back together seems like it revolves around her returning to SK, and them visiting her in LA. Honestly having a glue member is most important to group dynamics

[@icy6005]

Yup, this is the comment I have been looking for. It must be hard for the whole group to be close with everyone, there always tendency that some people are closer in 1 to 1 settings with each other (like Tiff and Tae or Tiff and Soo, or Hyo and Seo or Jess and Yoona, yes I think Yoona is still close to Jessica even until now but she won't be able to punlicly acknowledge it as she is still under SM). I also agree with you that Tiffany is most likely the glue of their group and she will initiate all the gatherings and parties. I also still think that Jessica is close with those people she were close with in SNSD, like Yoona or Sunny or Yuri, just that all of them are happen to be still under SM.

[@CN-hk6fn]

Seeing this makes me think of the 23 members of NCT and how they get along....

[@justMGonly]

I think they do but nothing is easy. But not all members are super close yet, some actually just started to get close bcs of nct2020

[@ayusheesahu5339]

They might be classmates.Now, my class has over 40 students and we do have our own friend circles. There is gossip, jealousy, fights and all but still we are united as a class.

[@AttackOnAlchemist]

I think some of them are really close (some of them have known each other for over 5 years) but their are 23 of them and most of the time they are in their subunits. Despite what most of the fandom wants to believe, they aren't all friends, and that's okay. They still work well together. The classmates analogy is probably the most accurate. I think the Dreamies are genuinely close, though that's likely because they grew up together and, with the exception of Mark, none of them went to school and developed relationships with people their age who weren't related to NCT or SM.

[@RatsRatsIsthebest]

They definitely talk about each other like highkey

[@Bucherviews]

I think that's kind of acknowledged, especially with content like Awsaz (Awkward Bros) about members that just felt weird about each other having to sit down and complete various challenges together. A lot of them don't even have each others' phone numbers :P

[@blache24]

I love how you always find ways to relate situations to the audience. You are teaching people how to practice empathy and I think that's such an important and amazing thing.

[@carolina7660]

This video is so detailed and useful, great job. We really need more people knowing and talking about this

[@almamater489]

The healthiest thing 2NE1 group had at YG is probably that each girl had her own room

[@sarahh9214]

That’s something I like about YG. Blackpink is allowed to live in their own homes. I’m sure it’s much easier with a smaller group like 2NE1 and BP where they only have to find a place with 4 bedrooms compared to 7+ members. And trying to round up 7+ people who live in separate places for a schedule seems hard

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

Ah this video was made on bullying in kpop, but then the bullying is kpop is slowly turning out to be fake

[@carrieheartsmusic6797]

umm she already said at 22:20 that we should jump to conclusions about bullying, so this video isnt being proven "fake"

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

@@carrieheartsmusic6797 I didn't say this video is fakr

[@dearvermin]

I wonder if there are other kpop idols that are two faced like jimin or kpop groups that fake their friendship?

[@dumbledorf5029]

0: he is?

[@bangpink2771]

Probably sadly :/

[@kevinators9803]

@@dumbledorf5029 they mean jimin from aoa not the one from bts

[@pikofan847]

Dumbledorf they meant AOA jimin i think

[@dearvermin]

Dumbledorf ahahah noo jimin from aoa

[@ana-hm1bb]

this video is so amazingly well done. such a good idea with accurate proofs as well as the interviews. congratulations and keep up the good work!!!

[@All-Hail-Gayle]

The groups that are always on camera freak me out. It's obvious the companies are making them be friends and open with their lives-- which just makes it hard for them to exist as people. My fav group is Stellar and they took abuse from all sides.

[@Wonder_mind_]

Very true .. I Stan blackpink and I have seen that they are a lot different than many other groups. Like the members have their own places to stay and not be pressured to be in one house but I have seen many fans saying that they are not close so they like staying alone.. I don't think that's the case... living conditions shouldn't be mixed with friendship... and they don't usually do same solo works which I don't really mind.. because all of them are allowed to choose about what they want and is possible for them.. I don't see them constantly being under the camera and having their privacy taken away.. I think groups under big companies live and have the probability to have good friendship is much higher .

[@lixiu8654]

I've been listening to k-pop over 15 years an was introduced through Lee Hyori. I started to catch on with the weird behavior through variety shows and kept digging deeper into what was really going on. The things some of these idols go through is complete abuse...and with the netizens continuing to attack these people, they are tearing them down even more. There's a reason so many idols commit suicide and I've seen some of my favorite idols pass away when they deserved a long beautiful life. We need to continue exposing the bad people behind the scenes and try to help improve the industry because I know there are so many of us who really care about them!

[@lemonaidebey6190]

Kpop industry desperately needs some socialism.. Such an abusive environment

[@imatcha]

You know what, I really love how detailed, articulate, and authentic you are in explaining everything. Thank you for putting focus onto these things 💜

[@adrichiii839]

Another thing I want to point out, is that if a member has be hired to do their first solo CF, acting role in a TV series, appearance in a variety show, invited to be in a fashion show or photoshoot, etc, it is usually expected that they share their 1st paycheck with their other group members. Now I don't know if this is mandatory for EVERY group and company but I remember someone's video on idol-group member relationship mention this (I think it was Grazy Grace). But you can imagine how the idol that got the gig in the 1st place might feel frustrated that they have share their paycheck. They might have feelings like "I was the one that worked hard, why do I have to share what I earned to others that did nothing." Also remember that most kpop groups are in HUGE DEBT to their companies, so it is likely that they are not getting paid at all or lower than minimum wages.

[@milkbread5036]

WOW This is SO in-depth. I thank you for all your hard work in research. I thoroughly enjoyed being educated on this more since it seems to be hidden in the shadows of "perfect" kpop.

[@izzahazryna2185]

Personally, idols don't need to be bff, but it's enough if they know how to be respectful to each other.

[@cookiesandcream8524]

Facts!!

[@geekdiggy]

vivi's a beast. she never lets her lack of screen time affect her professionalism. she still dances her absolute ass off even when the choreography has her hidden in the very back of the formation. every orbit who notices that appreciates it a great deal and it has inadvertently become one of her charms. she's the unspoken badass of loona.

[@valeriable1778]

Lay and tao ( tao is a former member ) from exo talked about the training process in SM and how it was literally a competition and more like a any survival show and they said that it was hard bc they were like 150 trainees or something and every week you see your friends get exclusion one by one and it was so SCARY ( tao almost tear up while speaking from remembering those feelings ) and you have to show your self too and you din't know who is next and its not like it get better after debut bc you can see how sm is literally mistreatment them and they didn't get better salaries nor better dorm until they made some money and they were 12 in little dorm until growl made them popular and sm waist a lot of Opportunities ( A LOT it's insane how they are stooping them from anything and make them the last in a list like comebacks) for them like directors said that they wanted to cast D.O. but it was SO HARD TO GET HIM and sm would name other idols instead and even if they had a comeback after mouths they would have one week promoting and sm wouldn't care about denying rumors (they said for chanyeol's one WE HAVE NO COMMENT AND LEFT HIM ALONE) and it hurt how they don't care about hate comments and sesangs and the members have to deal with it by themselves for solo albums the members would like it and would talk about it in fan meeting and how they're dreaming of it and thinking of it (D.O. a main vocalist said multiple times he want a solo album and said how exited he is to 2019 but sm put him on hiatus for 7 MONTHS and them a rummer went that he lift sm and after it denied it bc it made their Company shares go down hell lol he enlisted to not Waste more time) but sm would Procrastinate and wouldn't care and put them on unnecessary hiatus with hard to get to them by other combines who want to collab with them FOR NO REASON like you debuted them? why the hell are you stoping them from doing what they want and they make them work even with injures like tao's situation and krystal talked about how she wanted to sing but she got noting

[@raven-kn6lv]

Most of the times it's senior groups that get along well and very comfortable because they now know and understand each other. I'm not saying junior groups cannot get along well or even better than other senior groups, but usually it's the time where they are getting to know each other. Obviously other junior groups already get along well because they trained together before debut and created bonds already so that's good.

[@moneisgaming]

Most comments are talking about how people are delirious on thinking that most groups are friends or that a group with 7 or members are faking it but i think its possible not only that no one is perfect people argue and have disagreements all the time doesn't mean they aren't friends. Plus alot of idols have trained together for years im sure if they aren't friends they tolerate eachother. There is a difference between what people would consider eachother as a co worker, friend or family and that goes for idol groups. What they show on tv could be fake or only look fake to the viewer because u dont know them personally. Damn a whole ass paragraph i need a thesis statement 😂😂

[@defiantaichi]

So you agree with those statements then? I think the main argument is just fans read too much into small things. And the K-pop industry takes advantage of that. To the point that they shut down disagreements within groups without properly addressing them.

[@newjeansfan238]

Their company asks them to fake their friendship, that's the reality, the reality: we don't know them, don't know their friendship and they are not friend, they are first coworkers who have to get along to just work together! But it's their company who decide what image idols have to comform, to fake friendship because of the image and popularity! They have to act like a "perfect friendship group", idols don't have freedom to decide, they have to fake it because korean idols have to be perfect, have perfect image, perfect friendship that are fake! That's the hypocrisy of the kpop industry

[@Noelciaaa]

Also when companies decide on who to debut they don't just consider looks and talents but if the trainee has good personality. People with personalities that easily stir up conflicts or create divides are usually not chosen to prevent this. So it might be more realistic to keep relative peace in a group as opposed to classroom where there's all kinds of people.

[@fesii9916]

You and Debbie are so good at dancing together! ❤️ Thank you so much for this video, it’s so informative 😁

[@cloudycrux]

let say out of thousand fake friendship in kpop group, there's still some idols that genuine and having real friendship, unfortunately we wouldn't know which one. but the thing is, as long as they're professional, and just behave just okay, everything will be okay too.

[@EricTang]

Wow I loved this video! Thank you so much for including Choyoon and Melanie's amazing insight into the K-Pop industry ☺️

[@sebby2pro4u]

Idols who get shipped are so uncomfortable that they can’t even react or even enjoy the idols song please respect the idols and stop shipping them!

[@TalkingAboutYooh]

It's human nature. The only way to stop shipping is to remove the visual component of the industry. No mvs, no tv appearances, no photographs period. If they did that, then sadly many fans favorites would fade away to nothing. It's a business of images and pretty people look good together.

[@sebby2pro4u]

Shane Brannon yeah I understand but just think about it people ship them so company’s will do their best to keep them distanced

[@kep1er_diaper]

I remember Yuri and Yena from izone😁

[@meetcharubala]

you are doing a wonderful job...spreading awareness and making public understand these little things going behind scene...i hope many of us fans would learn and stop spreading hate or even discouraging comments on kpop groups or stop comparing specially on beauty.

[@cameliacazacu417]

I ult NCT and honestly this video really got me thinking..they are 23 members..in a company where the competition/comparing/visual ranking is probably intensified by 10 compared to smaller companies. I can just hope for the best.

[@snehaswati]

I was legit thinking the same thing. At least we know for sure that Dream is pretty close, sadly also due to the reason that they didn't get a chance to make any friends apart from their own members due to joining and debuting so young. 😕 Hopefully the members of the two other groups are comfortable with each other since they all trained together for 3-4 years and then have been active for 4 years making it around 8 years since they have been working and living together. We can only just hope though. But somehow SM groups have always stood the test of time and come out strong in the end. SuJu, Shinee, Snsd are a living testament to that.

[@cameliacazacu417]

@@snehaswati overall i noticed younger people tend to get along easier and make friends, its harder once ure older thats why adults stick usually to 2/3 friends. Id say wayv also vibe rly rly well its visibe. I think 127 also have a bond but gives off more “mature” kind of feeling. Like the one between taeyong and doyoung where they talk about getting old together and supporting through thick and thin. And also in 127 johnny plays a rly important role in uniting them cause it looks like he vibes with everyone.

[@snehaswati]

@@cameliacazacu417 I agree with you on both these parts honestly, 127 on shows seem like they are made to be all hyped up and chaotic, which they are but they are more of an introverted or quite and calm lot on the norm which we can see in their vlives and off stage interactions. Johnny has such a fatherly aura that shows his support for each member but also keeps them on their toes by teasing them. WayV just seems chaotic in general. 😂 And it has 3 members which are seem like are the sort of people who would become friends with anyone, which are Ten Lucas and Kun ( Kun would be more like the person to care for anyone in an instant ). We can see that specially with Lucas because of the way the Super M hyungs have grown so close to him in the span of an year. Also it seems WayV spends a lot of time doing things as a group on their own off camera as well which warms my heart. I just hope they are just happy and comfortable with each other even if they aren't best friends. Also it's not a hidden fact that each and every NCT aren't friends with each other. Awsaz wouldn't exist otherwise, since they have openly accepted the fact that certain members are close while the others aren't.

[@aruwuna]

I think with NCT, a part of their charm is how not all of them are super close? Like I love seeing different units interact with each other and it’s nice that they don’t feel the need to fake a friendship for the cameras.

[@meelamiela]

I think they recently spoke on this admitting they r not close with everyone (like way v or the newer members) because its awkward and difficult with so many ppl. But it’s not because of any bad reason, just how it is.

[@fesii9916]

I’m early! 😁 I’m always glad to see notifications from you Evangeline 💕

[@mnaoitb1]

ploopy your multifaceted approach to analyzing these issues is so fantastic. love your work, thank you!!!

[@landritabertyiski]

i'm so happy you're finally back!! thanks for this video, it's really good and informative ❤

[@lovisa4106]

HOW CAN THIS NOT HAVE MORE VIEWS OH MY GOD GIRL THE TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO THIS VIDEO I'M SCREAMING

[@jordan180]

Someone actually brought up Glam :o wow! You did your research! Most people have no idea who Glam was!

[@kep1er_diaper]

heck yeah

[@sarahh9214]

Haha big hit tries it’s best to hide Glams existence 😂😂😂

[@svftannies4113]

@@sarahh9214 why would they still have the playlist of glam on their main channel if that was so?

[@shitakemewmew]

@@sarahh9214 where?

[@geekdiggy]

thank you for making this video. it's one of the most organized and important discussions i've ever seen in kpop. every kpop fan needs to see this.👍

[@ploopy678]

Thanks!!❤️