WHY LAND ? ✈ Extreme CATIIIB -Severeⁿ Fog (Cockpit) Landing ♦W0X0F

00 VISIBILITY ~WHY LAND ? Seriously Foggy CAT3B Landing- Full Autoland~ LAND 3 ! CATIII ''W0X0F'' Conditions ! Zurich's {LSZH}, Kloten Airport.
Anyone KNOW what 'W0X0F' actually means? (-Exactly)
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[@BBHemisnJets]

Don't Miss Ladies Cat3 in thick JFK fog to minimums ! ✈️. >>. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGm8mZKFopKKb80

[@judgemarshall6127]

Pilots..... Nuff said! 🤔👨🏽‍✈️✈🌍

[@Vincentcool16]

I thought after the "10" callout the runway would appear but suddenly I hear "Speedbreaks up" and I was like WTF? :D

[@GriffieRex]

Great video! Best auto-land I've seen on here yet! Thanks.

[@metr0labs]

In ILS we trust.

[@mrquantissimo5334]

Sam Weatly Ha-ha :)

[@fotisaiki]

+Sam Weatly True that !! hahaha

[@highflyerl23]

In George we trust

[@friedchicken1]

I love the title "why land?" yeah, I would just keep on flying indeed :D

[@aquacortez]

Fantastic.

[@jimmywacked]

Good One..!!! w0x0f

[@alexismancuso9746]

amazing thanks for share

[@Jimmythekid007]

Best one yet. ( works good )

[@BBHemisnJets]

Very Cool Captain Small ! automation IS Awesome !

[@ttungus]

The localiser is a great technology, thanks for sharing!

[@friedchicken1]

who needs the windshield? hold my beer

[@GregRutkowski]

Now that was Sweet!

[@yole456789]

that was a scary landing... nicely done!!

[@slowpoke96Z28]

Thats badass

[@agafed]

Nice vid...

[@basimpsn]

Quote Category III C - A precision instrument approach and landing with no decision height and no runway visual range limitations. This category is not yet in operation anywhere in the world, as it requires guidance to taxi in zero visibility as well. "Category III C" is not mentioned in EU-OPS. Category III B is currently the best available system

[@skat0r]

you're an expert

[@curlyanneb1973]

Absolutely terrifying.

[@BBHemisnJets]

Sound like you read straight from the purple promise FOM.. lol (Excellent Answer)

[@MiG82au]

The localiser (horizontal guidance) is located at the far end of the runway for precisely that reason.

[@dlm5055]

I would have had to change underwear before getting off that plane. CRAZY but good pilots!

[@Feuergraf]

CAT III approaches get performed by autopilot. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system#Special_CAT_II_and_CAT_III_operations

[@stealhty1]

Thank you Captain Eric, I didn't know that, this explain why at KLGA they Land right after get out of the clouds of very dense fog

[@Swissflier101]

whoa! looks similar to my landing but it was at night! nice video.

[@hbagenda]

crazy!

[@gragrn]

That was scary, the pilots got guts!

[@ProChoiceJesus]

No, not at all. Autoland with no or little visibility is very routine. The technology is so reliable and has so much redundancy that failure is extremely rare. If a problem does arise, you just firewall the throttles and make a missed approach (which the plane is programmed to do immediately, or the pilots can do it just as easily by hand cause they know the missed approach procedure by heart at this point). These landings aren't at all like an emergency procedure. Very safe and routine.

[@dragoonfj123]

Aircraft can actually taxi in these conditions at certain airports equip with adequate surface detection radars and and taxi lights that guide you to your gate. It essentially turns your taxi route into green lights and we just follow the green in.

[@ferdyantonioortizcalderon3163]

wowww!!!

[@martin128956]

excellent done Captain, I'm really impressed, Greetings from DEMUP, PA28. EDWQ

[@dwightsmall5878]

Yes, the MD11 is full auto land and no, the pilot's not allowed to hand fly it. The autopilot does a fine job, better than most pilots, but it requires total concentration of both pilots. These are also called monitored approaches because the pilots are monitoring very closely and watching for certain things to happen at certain points on the approach regarding the a/p and auto flight system. If the a/p messes up and misses something and the pilots don't catch it bad things will happen.

[@CristiNeagu]

It would be kinda ironic to be able to land in thick fog then not be able to taxi cause you can't see the ground from the cockpit.

[@friedchicken1]

LOL

[@BBHemisnJets]

"Follow-Me !"

[@yossariandude]

modern planes auto taxi too

[@CristiNeagu]

+yossariandude I am not aware of any airports that support CAT IIIc operations.

[@BBHemisnJets]

Correct- That's 'cause the are NONE. CAT3B, yes.

[@markpeterson3220]

I love the speed brakes on but no runway in sight at 30 feet

[@gabrielmoraesblink]

some airports specially the ones who got ils cat III, have a ''follow me'' truck, an aircraft can request it or sometimes the tower sends it without a request

[@jomatton8900]

CAT III-C is where vacating the RWY after landing is done with AP engaged. The landing is possible in O/O (no ceiling, RVR 0m). If the airport is also in zero visibility, actfs have to be towed... . CAT III-B is no ceiling and reduced vertical visibility. Vacating the RWY and taxiing is difficult but possible.

[@kokal1ful]

good

[@hayden4516]

I have an insturment rating but I'd never want to try this. Makes me sweat just watching...

[@sdkarns69]

Wow

[@MrFly757]

Ohh cool I didn't know the Catlll was capable.

[@Windtee]

KLGA is not equipped for... nor are there any published US TERPS for a CAT III approach at this airport. Additionally, the pilot is verbally announcing a confirmation to land on runway 3. LaGuardia's runways are 4-22 and 13-31.

[@Purpleskilton]

Autoland was developed by the UK government's aviation research facilities in the mid 1940's at RAF Martlesham Heath by the BLEU (Blind Landing Experimental Unit).

[@xxmsemxx469]

Esto sí k es confianza!

[@FlynBrian]

Weather, sky 0 Obscured, Visibility 0 Fog

[@Goproflying]

CATIIIB is subdivided into an approach WITH &WITHOUT a decision height (DH). With a DH, the limit in quesiton is 50ft with an RVR not less than 75m. A pilot may NOT continue the approach below the DH unless visual refrence with one centreline light is attained and can be maintained. No DH ops require NO visual refrence to the runway prior to landing but an RVR of 75m is still required for taxiing.

[@jimmywacked]

@kupilot3 Close.WOXOF? you missed the 'X' →Sky ObsXcured..\\\ he notes it above..Great Vid.!! Google is NOT 25+yrs old...like us....LOL

[@PikalaxALT]

So from my understanding, CAT I ILS or LOC is used in good visibility where the pilot only uses the beacon as a guide but flies in manually. CAT II ILS is used in poorer visibility where the pilot relies on autopilot until he can see the field, at which point he disengages autopilot. CAT III is true autoland with flare (III/A and higher), rollout (III/B and higher), and taxi in (III/C).

[@BBHemisnJets]

That's true. But There is a system of specific markings and green lights on the taxiways coupled with red "stop bars" that guide pilots from the runway to the ramp and Terminal \ parking area. ► Otherwise, yup- a "follow-me" truck is dispatched (with huge lights) to guide crews to the gate.

[@Windtee]

... also, KLGA's runway 4 doesn't have TDZL (Touch Down Zone Lights) which are the group of lights you see on either side of the centerline lights... visible from 0:30 - 0:39 .

[@atenco01]

So what was it A320 or MD 80..What type of plane? Awesome!

[@jmclarke1]

Wow, this is freakin insane!! lol Autoland?

[@nova0286]

CAT-3 has no DH, but CAT-3A RVR must not be less than 700 feet and CAT-3B must not be less than 150 feet. CAT-3C is "zero-zero" meaning no minimums, but an alert height is typically used above the runway (50 feet).

[@BBHemisnJets]

Correct → that's the 'X' ♦ I was asking Ray Browie about the 'Ceiling' report in W0X0F - which he missed-

[@7x77-]

i cant wait to try this. Thats y we are called PILOT. Not just good day pilot. but in all kind of situation. good video.

[@slowpoke96Z28]

Try??? You mean do...

[@andresherrera9163]

slowpoke96z28 I don't want to be in his plane.

[@Feuergraf]

CAT III approaches get perfomed by autopilot: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system#Special_CAT_II_and_CAT_III_operations

[@kayakutah]

Several years ago, the FAA proposed and implemented a change to CAT III approaches as displayed on approach plates. I believe ICAO has implemented the change as well. Many plates have been changed to eliminate the a/b/c categories and have gone to a single value. Many of the plates have yet to be changed but will be. Operators and governing authorities no longer use a/b/c values. For example, though KSLC (Salt Lake City) still has a value of 700 RVR for CAT IIIa and 300 for CAT IIIb in their publications, it is the aircrew and aircraft capability that drives minima. So, in a 737-900, in KSLC, the airplane/aircrew mins are RVR 600 if the airport allows. The autoland in the 737 is "fail passive" which in the old system would have been CAT IIIa. At KSLC, that would have been RVR 700, but we can fly a CAT III to KSLC at 600 based on the higher of the (lowest) RVR listed (in this case, the old CAT IIIb of 300) and the aircraft/aircrew capability (which is RVR 600 for the 737). In short, there no longer is a CAT IIIa/b/c division. The capability to fly to lower that RVR 600 mins is due to the "fail active" autopilots in aircraft such as the 767 combined with the training the aircrew gets in those operations.

[@rayharkins14]

kayakutah very good info thank you. So cat 3 has no DH, just a rvr ? I thought 200 was low.

[@schm1035]

How very refreshing to read something from somebody who knows what he's talking about. I'm guessing you must be a pilot. In our operations, the CAT III B designation was replaced by the term "CAT III with Rollout." CAT III A approaches were replaced by "CAT III without Rollout." The rollout referred to whether the autopilot was capable of tracking the localizer even after landing so as to stay on the centerline of the runway. I'm fairly sure this change was the same for all airlines. It's kind of amusing too that you still hear people talk about A/B CAT III approaches even though those terms have been gone for years now. People are extremely reluctant to change what they've known for many years. I probably am too!

[@mikeydapilot]

He's not confirming to land on runway 3. In a CATIII ILS approach, the autopilots land the aircaft. The system that does this is called "autoland." There are two components, "Land 2" and "Land 3" and the component used depends on how many autopilots are active. Ideally, all 3 will be operational and "Land 3" will be used. If one autopilot fails, then the system will use "Land 2" as a backup. In conclusion, the pilot is confirming that "Land 3" is still operational, not confirming runway 3.

[@dualinput601]

wooow

[@nordic]

@BigBearVids it's CAT IIIc (or autoland). Not all the ILS are the same, both plane and pilots have to be ready for IIIc.

[@Swaggerlot]

The minima for a HS Trident on a CATIIIb (that was back in the 1970s by the way) was more about having the visibility to get off the runway than it was about the actual landing.

[@HisHighnessSajjad]

Unbelievable.

[@BBHemisnJets]

That's correct- But what else might you be eluding too.?→ that This wasn't a 0 VIS \ fully coupled Autoland? LAND3 ♦ ?

[@BBHemisnJets]

@mztthew found out that --Both pairs of eyes are watching the The Autoland system which has to be monitored right down to taxi speed.....any failure at any time would require a go around before landing....

[@podajdalej11]

From podajdalej11: Severely foggy landing is prerequisite to an accident. The air controller had to tell the crew that the landing gear is not seen through binoculars and landing will result in disaster.

[@hansolo6751]

thats so freaking amazing. i guess as long as the captain know the descending rate everything will be fine

[@Feuergraf]

No, only the autopilot is allowed to do a CAT III approach (excluded if HUD equipped and licensed) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system#Special_CAT_II_and_CAT_III_operations

[@hansolo6751]

Joker you must be joking

[@Feuergraf]

Hansolo I have not a IR but that's why I inserted the link.

[@rackets001]

Autoland means "automatic," as in, "hands off." The plane lands itself (if equipped).

[@RomanZerstoren]

oh my...

[@michaeljohn8905]

Do they have full auto land ? Second are you flying this down all the way to minimums ? (hand flying)? Must take alot of concentration.I get nervouse in the pattern on VFR days lol..

[@captainkhaled01]

wow what a foogy day, dude i would also be kissing the auto pilot, but that is why aviation has the most advanced intruments, plud the amount of training they put when it come to this type of situation, hopefully ill be thier soon, im gna become a airline pilot hopefully, great vid 5/5

[@cristomahawk]

which is the decision height in this type of approaching? is written on the approach chart?

[@assailant85]

according to wikipedia you must see at least 50 metres of the runway in front. I doubt that very much :D

[@podajdalej11]

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[@okardash]

Holy crap , in my country we have the same low visibility but sandstorm so all you see is brown . and unfortunately all the planes that have to land return from the place they came , ILS is forbidden cause when it's sandy they runway get dusted and planes can slip out of runway easily . :)

[@Sailbadthesinner666]

There used to be a FAT FSS met who had WOXOF as his personal license plate

[@zizi87]

Land 3 is not dependent purely on having three autopilots operational. It's aircraft specific. In a 757, for example, you also need three independent electrical supplies. If you only have two independent electrical supplies (such as if you have an APU failure), you would only have Land 2, despite having three autopilots operational.

[@Aeronaut1975]

Just a guess.. Small (ish) aircraft. Mountainous region (Duh!), getting kinda low on fuel, the 2 or 3 divert airfields planned are experiencing similar weather. Gotta' land somewhere, better now than never.... am I wrong? Serious question, I'm not trying be a smart arse here. Was this a commercial, military or test flight?

[@ttungus]

how does the plane align itself during touch down without veering off course on the run way?

[@FlynBrian]

guess i need to open up the AIM again and look through the wx section.

[@deltavee2]

Hah! Me too. Speed brakes? SPEED BRAKES??? Then seems like about two feet of fast-moving runway is suddenly visible. Guess a lot of passengers found out what kind of ghoulies they had as well. That was impressive as hell.

[@dvypatel]

@ken92660 first thing that came to my mind..scroll down to post it and here it is you already posted it!!!!

[@colombanni]

CAT III C is currently not availble.on this planet for commercial use. CAT III B requires a DH of 50 feet. Note tto the fact when you are 50 ft. AGL in a final, the RWY threshold is way past there! Pilots tend to go lower, than. .

[@flcspmg]

000 question is where you landed?

[@jeanorwin]

Are you sure you were on the runway :D?

[@RS-vb3ui]

Isn't autoland cat III "C"? Great land!!

[@topgeardel]

Would all countries allow that landing in those conditions?

[@jacobbarnett8169]

Damn that is crazy, now how do you taxi to the gate??

[@TheMatii25]

That's the problem haha

[@BBHemisnJets]

@mztthew you may be right... You need to see lights or SOMETHING to continue.... I was not videoing this one \\ a co worker was... so It could have been a Lear or a private..// ??? .STILL...Scarey..good call..!!!

[@BBHemisnJets]

Close ! the 'W' 0 is the ceiling - {Indefinite}- X= Obscured, correct. and so on.! ↑

[@BBHemisnJets]

Totally Legal -Land3- CatIII. the Pilot's don't even have to look outside the Cockpit → till just after the wheels hit the deck.

[@BBHemisnJets]

Actually you ARE right. I must have gotten my 4 letter ICAO code wrong. I think its actually somewhere in 'L'....not 'K'.. Liiving down the road from LGA you must have landed there more times than me.!! I'll research and change it.! thxs.!

[@GeoffreyGodshall]

you know it!

[@Nikola16789]

@zangdaarr I dont know any airport in Europe is sertified for CATIIIc (0-0) operations. Anyway CATIIIb with no DH restrictions and RVR 75m is enough to legally cover this landing. Nice video btw

[@MrFly757]

Was that legal they were way past minimums? Or is it fine when on auto land?

[@rayboxcyprus]

Landed in ABU DHABI, same conditions, couldn't see the winglet... taxing took forever.

[@JellyD78]

Look, I admit, I'm just starting to study ILS literature. I'm a student, basically. But THIS is crazy. Aren't they supposed to divert traffic or something when visibility is so bad?

[@normanjtongmd]

The Korean pilots need to watch this--the next time they will rejoice at SFO on a clear, sunny day.

[@assailant85]

the first time must be so scary for pilots :)

[@VladimirYesayan]

Great now let's see how they taxi to the gate

[@kukydevil]

i thought CAT III C isn't in operation in any part of the world yet

[@ihhansen]

W0X0F - W = indefinite ceiling, 0 = zero feet above ground level, X = visibility, 0 = zero, F = fog. In other words, W0X0F = the bottom of the clouds are at ground level and therefore, cannot be defined. The visibility is zero from fog. This is an outdated acronym, but pilots and air traffic controllers still use the pronunciation "woxoff" to describe this type of weather phenomenon.

[@BBHemisnJets]

I think you kinda missed X as 'Sky obscured' .

[@northstar5934]

why u landed keep flying 😂

[@beergut111]

yes, the USAF developed autoland in the early '60's.