How a Feud Over Libya's Central Bank Could Restart its Civil War

[@TLDRnewsGLOBAL]

UPDATE: Last night, the two sides signed an "in principle" to jointly appoint a new governor within 30 days, and some oil production has resumed. However, who actually replaces Kabir is yet to be decided, and until the two sides actually agree on a candidate, tensions will probably persist. (www.reuters.com/business/finance/libya-factions-agree-appoint-central-bank-governor-bid-ease-crisis-2024-09-03/ )

[@AlexC-ou4ju]

This is very good news, with chinese demand down due to lower economic activity and libya restarting oil production, gas prices will continue to drop making things cheaper for consumers and harder for nations like Russia and Iran.

[@lupen_rein]

Thanks a lot for accurately summarizing this incredibly complicated conflict. I have been writing my own news article on this insane row this weekend that is absolutely in line with what you said here and it's so incredibly hard to get up to speed on what is actually going on there, considering the multitude of disparate actors with their own agendas.

[@gavv5911]

Only problem is Haftar doesn’t fully dominate the new eastern government like he did pre-2020, still fairly influential though.

[@philliphartman2381]

Two rival armies sharing revenues and a banking system is one of the wildest scenarios I've ever heard of.

[@xELITExKILLAx]

It’s literally how the clone wars worked in Star Wars

[@MAC9949]

You have 7 seasons of Star Wars: Clone Wars to watch!

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah this is so weird 😂 enemies discussing how to manage their central bank

[@philliphartman2381]

@@xELITExKILLAx You know Star Wars isn't real, right?

[@sharpasacueball]

​@@philliphartman2381No way

[@samelmudir]

its already old news and a new central bank governor has been appointed

[@0ptic0p22]

W

[@NovaHessia]

By Tripoli. Benghazi won't accept it.

[@organizedchaos4559]

It’s not over until til it’s over. All they agreed is to appoint someone new, no one got appointed yet

[@kronos7110]

Hopefully it won't happen. Those are gza supporters.

[@bwhog]

Libya's oil is also very high quality and easily refined. That makes it especially valuable.

[@A.Severan]

It's surprising to many that Libya remains the richest and most educated country with the highest HDI, literacy, and GDP per capita & ppp in its region and mainland continent despite the civil war. However, when you consider the broader context, fewer than 2,000 civilians were killed in Libya over the last 10 years-a figure significantly lower than in other conflict zones like Ethiopia, Yemen, Syria, or Ukraine, where hundreds of thousands have recently been killed within a fraction of that time. The situation in Libya isn't as dire as some might believe, and the data supports that view. It's very hard to undo many decades of progress that was on par with or rivaled the west.

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

That’s all thanks to Gheddafi

[@shafsteryellow]

Kind of like Somalia... without a formal govt from 1991 to 2013 and still less homicides per capita than South africa, one of the lowest HIV rates in the world despite being next to Kenya and less total violent deaths (al shabab, clan warfare and criminal homicides combined) in 20+ years than Ethiopia has managed since just 2018 in its civil war.... It has 5G Internet access in all major cities and 4G nationwide with the cheapest Internet per gb in all of africa and 7th in the world. All the telecommunications companies are Somali owned and operated. No govt assistance, tax subsidies or infrastructure investment just pure libertarian anarcho-capitalist autonomous grit. Somalia is also the most advanced country in the region for FinTech and amongst the most cashless societies in the world with over 80% of payments being made online or via mobile payments on somali owned platforms like Hormuud. This is a country that hasn't had a formal govt yet has had more hospitals and universities built since 2001 than Congo, Liberia, Gabon and Gambia which has over 200% larger population and more than double the land

[@xaveriusyerryuntan9862]

​@@JahNgomba-ir2zi Is this "Ghedaffi" the 2.0 after the old one? 😅😅

[@kayemni]

Am pretty sure Libya is not the richest in the region as it is behind Algeria and Egypt. But am really surprised that Libya has indeed a higher HDI (0.746) than Egypt(0.728), Algeria(0.745), Tunisia(0.732) and Morocco, although their values are really close especially with Algeria where there is a difference of 0.001 only. Also it must be noted that HDI is limited and doesn't account for inequality and other stuffs, with a better metric the IHDI we sadly don't have data available for Libya for The time being, and Algeria, Egypt and Tunisia are the only African countries with a medium IHDI

[@shafsteryellow]

@@kayemni not true.

[@hmidlashkham5552]

Correction: All sides of every conflict in Libya did not support but tolerated Al-Siddiq Al-Kabir because he paid every sides' militias' salaries. At points two factions would be actively fighting and both would be paid by the same central bank. The western government ousting him made the east angry not because they supported Al-Kabir, but because they saw it as a power grab and an attempt to cut off the east's finances

[@ComicallyLargeSpoon25]

You're forgotting to mention that the "UN backed" west government was supposed to be a transitional government that overstayed their welcome

[@A.Severan]

@@ComicallyLargeSpoon25 you’re also forgetting that the parliament has also long expired and is long overdue for an election that they delay. They’ve overstayed their welcome much more than the official recognized government.

[@24xv555]

Forced into the situation by the murderer haftar

[@shakshukioflibya6633]

​@@A.SeveranThey welcome an election, it's the west that's been delaying it with a bunch of excuses so they can siphon more money before they're replaced by another transitional government that will do the same.

[@MAC9949]

Also that it is backed by a few militias that declared their allegiance to Al Qaeda

[@Alibeysuleimanoglu]

But the military lord Haftar is somehow more legitimate.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

babe wake up, new war, pain and suffering just dropped

[@adamo1242]

Freedom and democracy courtesy of NATO

[@134343]

@@adamo1242 Eh it is a bit more nuanced. In some part yes, but the Arab spring was also something initiated by the will of people not only NATO.

[@adamo1242]

@@134343 it's would not have succeeded without NATO meddling

[@adwnj]

Arab spring was significant on its own, but the west absolutely fucked up by interfering.

[@adamo1242]

@adwnj Libya specifically would not have had such a significant movement without NATO involvement and previous destabilisation efforts, which hurt people's living standards

[@Edwardbanks1]

I see Libya got the Somalia treatment. Overthrow dictator, then country run by warlords. Power vacuum invites more chaos. Then country split between two strong factions that cannot unite country. Keep stalemate in place while the people suffer. This is Somalia today and this is also Libya as well.

[@lale5767]

I actually think it's really amazing any lands unite at all. I mean put 10 guys in a room and tell them they have to pick a leader who will get the pros of the group and that they have to figure a way to work together. I've gotte learn more about founding nation-states.

[@yungmansour9638]

i agree with you totally. but sometimes when i compare that to any realistic alternative im really grateful

[@TexanIndependence]

@@lale5767 That only works with Monarchy, not "democracy". For example, when the USA overthrew the Taliban in 2001, they convened the Loya Jirga meeting of all tribal leaders, and they almost unanimously demanded the return of the Afghan King (who was amazingly still alive). But George Bush was embarrassed that his "democracy" wanted a king, so Bush overruled their democratic choice, and then put in a handpicked puppet from one of the tribes instead. Whereas ALL tribes saw themselves in the King (kings often being a blend of various tribes through marriage), in "democracy" they saw only saw a few tribes reflected in the government and it's natural some tribes saw themselves as being a faction in opposition and thus conflict restarts. Democracy is by it's very nature divisive and conflict creating. And if you understand Clausewitz, "war is a continuation of politics by other means", then it is clear that Democracy is essentially constant, non-violent civil war, where occasionally the non-violent fighting becomes violent. There is never any peace in Democracy. Both sides must constantly stoke up division and fighting in order to compel their OWN side to get off the couch and vote for them, their voters need a compelling reason to stop what they are doing (work, family) and go waste time on them by voting, caucusing, primarying, campaigning, volunteering, donating, etc. Democracy is only non-violent when enough of the population either: 1) when the centrist money class has bought off both main parties and limited the differences between them to relatively minor issues 2) there are divisions that both parties exploit, but the people adhere to highly anti-violent religion (i.e. Christianity, Jainism, etc.) and the causes for fighting have not risen above the people's anti-violent religious impulses (i.e. the 60 million armed christians in America) or that 3) the disadvantaged faction still holds hope of victory (i.e. they still think they can win elections despite being on the losing trendline). Basically a sort of foolish optimism of the losing faction in a democracy is necessary to avoid violence. 4) the people are so addicted to various vices and corrupted with luxuries such they can't be bothered to fight (this will disappear during economic crisis and violence will begin) and they are divided along ethnic, religious or other lines such that no main opposition can coalesce (but those same divisions that prevent opposition bode poorly for the survival of such a nation once the luxuries dry up or major invasion occurs, i.e. late stage Rome).

[@sherifmahmoud7703]

@@lale5767 it is not complicated. Nation-states are founded through war. Winner declares/redefines/rules the new nation-state. In the most successful nation-states, the winner also re-writes history to: describe himself as a hero who brought "independence," "justice," "unity," "consensus," "prosperity," "dignity," "freedom," "democracy," or any other inspirational catch-phrase; describe his opponents in the war as "traitors" or "evil"; and deny or water down crimes committed to achieve his victory. Ideally, school curriculum is updated to brain-wash future generations into believing this history and to instill "pride" or "nationalism" in the minds of young future soldiers. A national holiday can also be declared to help memorialize and celebrate the founding of the nation-state. These wars can be triggered or prolonged by a foreign nation-state that backs a warring side they speculate will better serve their interests (usually natural resources). Plenty of nation-states are interested in taking the natural resources (e.g., fossil fuels, rare earth minerals) of others or at least getting a generous discount.

[@petergray2712]

Libya was already divided along geographical lines when the Italians took the country from the Turks in 1911. The eastern tribes were mountain herdsmen/raiders with strong ethnic and historical ties to other Afroasiatic groups like the Egyptians, Tuaregs, and the Amazigh. Tripoli and the western lowland cities were mostly founded by the Carthaginians and hosted polyglot populations from other parts of the Mediterranean (Greeks, Romans, Vandals, Arabs, and Turks). The west is heavily urbanized and highly integrated into maritime trade routes, while the east is more rural, balkanized, and isolated. The Romans administered the country as two different provinces, but the Umayyad Arabs and the Turks unified them for reasons of geographical convenience. This unified region was dominated by the more warlike easterners, to the dismay of the wealthier westerners, and this has created much strife.

[@MJ-di6ze]

Man as a young kid brainwashed by KZbin media I use to feel bad for gadaffi and the way he died. Now as an adult I can say gadaffi got off easy (including the knife situation)

[@darkrieshunter6670]

Gadaffi bio is truly crazy, his mood swings was pretty funny. He start cussing out the Saudi crown prince when they ignore him and tried to banned musicial instruments then reverse his decision after he was confuse that nobody was playing music

[@SorryStamin]

Gadaffi was a bad person. But there was no slavery under gadaffi.

[@MJ-di6ze]

@@darkrieshunter6670 lmao I don’t know about that

[@MJ-di6ze]

@@SorryStamin yea never heard of slavery under him.

[@M-Soares]

Libya used to be Africa's richest nation under Gadaffi lol

[@Lordskipper1910]

Actually this is a good thing. Oil money is going to waste so why not just halt production and put more pressure on both parties.

[@tjadams8]

"Haftar decided he'd had enough..." Almost like the CIA hadn't housed him in Falls Church, Virginia for 30 years (along with 300 others around the US) waiting for this EXACT moment. You mention "NATO backed Rebels" but not a word about the CIA with Haftar?

[@theconqueringram5295]

If only this war could end.

[@AliAmar-mg4ie]

America and Europe describe us as terrorists, and they have forgotten what they did in Gaza. Everything they want to be in their interest, in the hope that Libya will return to what it was, without foreign intervention.

[@vladimircurkoski1455]

Shiny example of democracy

[@stephentutton2060]

Thank you for your pandering!

[@CHMichael]

Arab spring doesn't seem to have been an improvement. Some areas are just not ready for democracy. It requires informed voters ..... something we seem to be losing.

[@typo4859]

Libya having a higher gdp per capita than the US just shows how flawed of a metric gdp per capita is

[@molotays]

absolutely, but this case is not a reflection of that. in the times stated in the graph in the video (60s - 79s), Libya under khadhdhaffee actually saw extremely good standards of living as well as a huge sovereign wealth fund to match. qazzaffi wasn't perfect, even back then. and the gdp per capita is flawed. but this isn't an example that disproves gdp

[@YoheYamatai]

Libya was a rich country back then, its population didn't even have to pay for water and electricity

[@eVill420]

it just means Libya has more money to use for X compared to population, or more debt to pay I guess

[@Yangking-z9d]

​@MayankTrivedi2-bg3dg yh not everyone in the US has 70k it's just measure assuming the wealth distributed equally

[@Haytem.]

​@@YoheYamataiwe did have to pay, even if at a lower rate, but salaries were also very low, it wasn't a paradise back then, but it was sure more stable compared to the current fiasco.

[@mladenmihajlovic7980]

Libya Good people ...

[@Catholic-Joseph]

Didn't know this war was still happening.

[@extrapolate]

Why would you? No jews to blame so the news doesn’t bother

[@houseplant1016]

Yeah, overthrowing a government and getting b*mbed by NATO with full force is very impactful...

[@yerassylmukhamediyar4818]

It's not

[@prinskorvar9331]

​@@damine4740 bard 🗿

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

It's been happening ever since the west went in there and mucked the whole place up.

[@batprime1177]

Another reason for oil companies to jack up their prices.

[@Kkm-freefree]

كان شرحا جميلا و مختصراً 🇱🇾 يصف حاله بلدي.... عن نفسي و أغلب شعبي لا نهتم كثيرا حقا بمن سيحكم فقط تعبنا من الحرب و دعني أقل أن هذا يصف الأحداث الأخيرة لا أكثير لو تعمقت سترى فوضى أكبر مثلا حالة الجنوب بشكل عام الإقتصاد الناس الإتفاق الذي أبريم في 2011 إمتصاص ثروات اليورانيوم و الفسفور و ربما الحديد ...إلخ

[@azovianace]

I love how you missed the small funny part of france supporting warlord haftar over a UN recognised government along with UAE and Egypt

[@ValensBellator]

Which of these will Russia have to rely on for a Mediterranean port now?

[@معتصمالضراط]

holy crap we can never rest bro, these civil wars got many of my people killed like i dont understand what they are fighting for

[@Mohammed7411h]

اسمك هههههه

[@simonburrows137]

omg their politics is an absolute nightmare

[@BardovBacchus]

Benghazi - Many people in the USA cringe 😆🤣

[@LordDim1]

An interesting video worth making could be about the possibility of a restoration of the Libyan monarchy, which was overthrown by Gaddafi in 1969. Late last year the Prime Minister of Western Libya announced he was in favour of restoring the monarchy, and just a few days ago the Libyan High Council of State, an official UN-backed advisory body which supervises the two rival governments, voted by a majority to officially endorse restoring the monarchy, and sent a letter to the UN Secretary-General announcing their support. The claimant to the Libyan throne, Prince Mohammed Al-Senussi, has been holding numerous rounds of consultations and peace talks the past few months. A 2021 report an poll by the Cambridge Middle East and North Africa Forum found that 50% of Libyans were in favour of restoring the monarchy, and that that percentage had increased from some 40% just the year before, indicating an upwards trajectory. This was, additionally, before the Prince took more concrete action in trying to mediate a peace agreement

[@anthonymanderson7671]

Didn't know about this. A monarchy does help some places to stabilise. Libya would have been a second saudi arabia if the monarchy wasn't overthrown.

[@pao_2031]

@@anthonymanderson7671 Monarchies can only be a force of stability in homogenous societies

[@Vlain-hc5sb]

​@@pao_2031Libya is pretty homogenous.

[@zararianrock]

@@Vlain-hc5sb To a point. Its not dozens of tribes like Ethipia but a long history of 3 distinct regions and a smaller popular of the usual nomadic tribes that appear in North African countries. but I wouldnt say its any less homogeneous than the united kindom, in fact its probably more culturally homogeneous.

[@elshanks1578]

@@zararianrockLibya has more than 150 tribes. Tribal law is above all.

[@Abraxium]

Looming financial crisis? Civil war in Middle East? We on that 2011 grindset

[@mroof523]

As an American, I feel pandered too. Thanks bruv

[@Baolosantos]

نعاني بسببكم

[@iOS6Fan1]

12:20. Why did you highlight KSA, UAE and all for Israel?

[@ThinkForge]

It always starts with the military, they are supposed to protect the people not act like common gangs

[@sherifmahmoud7703]

To be fair, neither side really targets civilians. So no one to protect. Most of the civilian casualties happened in the first few months of NATO's 2011 invasion (about 30k civilian casualties mostly from NATO/France bombing raids). Since then, it was mostly armed groups fighting each other in the desert or near cities every once in a while. Libya's military is lead by Haftar in the East. Opposition is lead by "islamist" parties in the west. I don't like using the word "islamist" because I really mean political groups that use religion to influence/deceive conservative people, like the MB of Egypt and Erdogan's party in Turkey. There is a stalemate in Libya because of foreign interference (turkey/nato arm west; uae/russia arm east). The foreign powers are competing over libya's oil & natural gas.

[@bernardfinucane2061]

Libya is two countries, as you mentioned a year ago.

[@amarachibigelow8178]

7:31 Im not British tho LOL 😂

[@notoriousfly9260]

A mild case of anglocentrism.

[@OfficialUKGov]

we as in the tldr team

[@OfficialUKGov]

​@@notoriousfly9260we as in the tldr team

[@therichestmaninbabylon8231]

Trinidad in the house 🇹🇹🇹🇹 when we gonna get some Caribbean pandering lol

[@waywaywaytoostrong6322]

Talk about Algeria’s elections

[@lipingrahman6648]

This civil war ever ended?

[@IdontKnowAtAlllol]

the civil war never ended

[@scudthehero]

Is this show mostly viewed by Brit’s? Is that why it’s called WTF USA?

[@shafsteryellow]

Huh

[@fateenshareef8716]

Where exactly has NATO led intervention worked out fine in the last 5 decades?

[@MuiltiLightRider]

Bosnia and Kosovo

[@pao_2031]

@@MuiltiLightRider Has it though? There are still undercurrents of unrest in those two places. Peace is not merely the absence of battles in the streets,

[@matthewmiller6568]

​@@pao_2031peace is peace. Even if it is begrudging.

[@msl2299]

@pao_2031 I mean it stopped the genocide and secured peace- sadly I doubt any outside force could solve the issues that lay in the very being of Bosnia & Hercegovina which creates the unrest you mentioned. Population is just too divided politically for that.

[@RedXlV]

@@pao_2031 Better than genocide.

[@Benbobr]

Did I hear... the GLA!?!? 😮😮

[@MappingLore2024]

Talk about how Rojava is today

[@colinroast6332]

JACK HAS LEGS?!

[@andrewrice9362]

Can you explain who is the local forces in green are they western or eastern alligned

[@williamkarbala5718]

The first thing they should do is diversify their economy. 25% civil servants!? Jesus.

[@Naturenerd1000]

1 or 2 monopoly bank for a whole country. Not a good monetary system.

[@NotEebra]

The GNA dissolved in 2021 and has since been the GNU (Government of National Unity) after UN-led Libyan delegations vote.

[@Wotsdat35]

It's Libyan not Lybian, come on guys.

[@DGAMINGDE]

That's hardly the worst typo.

[@Wotsdat35]

@@DGAMINGDE so?

[@nickt2822]

noone gives a sh1t. its people dont give a sh1t thats why its a failed country and you care about how its writen?! efing christ the stupidity.

[@humblebee5597]

​@@nickt2822is that so? I thought it's bc of US-backed coup.

[@abduahmed786]

Both are right

[@Naturenerd1000]

Oil prices go up in Europe because of this.

[@MqCorey]

What's ctrl-p? Ctrl-v perhaps?

[@mr.normalguy69]

Wait? There was a second Libyan civil war?

[@DeliaLange]

yes it started in 2014

[@GobbiExists]

Yeah, the 1st one deposed Gaddafi and the 2nd one is the one we r used to

[@flolow6804]

God why cant they just split the country in 2 and stop with the violence...

[@JosephKleingebbinck]

The The The The The The The The Wall is the the only thing thing I have have been been working working with with this project project and and the team

[@ahmedkhalid9887]

من كثرت. المليارات الدولارات المهربة. إلى العديد من دول العالم. والنفط والغاز المهرب. اصبحت. مشكلة. البنك. المركزي الليبي يتخوف منها العديد من الدول. ونحن. المواطنين الليبيين. يخبب لنا في الخفاء. لابادتنا

[@J.B.Ram1]

I do feel bad for the normal citizens of Libya who just want to lead their lives in peace. Godspeed.

[@Lazarusman]

Im shocked a civil war in africa

[@pao_2031]

There are active wars on all populated continents except North America.

[@MyFancySauce]

Thanks Hillary, you really left a mark on the world 😊

[@thepax2621]

*Eh* Its not like Lybia and the World, aren't used to it 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@EM-tx3ly]

Libya needs a benevolent dictatorship no use of democratic means to achieve peace stability and unity I always said that Arabs in general function best under Monarchy and it remains true

[@nukeplatine]

And the 'Arab spring' continues

[@GM-ub8qy]

Libya has more oil than Nigeria??

[@Soraviel]

Rough times for Libya

[@toyotaprius79]

Is this the prosperity and democracy that NATO brings?

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

NATO only deployed aircraft and special forces, and only for a few months in 2011. This is just an African nation failing to hold itself together after it's dictator snuffs it. Which might have happened with NATO intervention anyway, and Gaddafi would be 82 now, so he might have gone from old age anyway. Personally, I think if he didn't want NATO intervention, he should have stayed away from Pan Am flight 103

[@RisingInTheFlesh]

Gadaffi did hold the country together until NATO started to meddle and artificially create problems. All because gadaffi supported state banking​@@HALLish-jl5mo

[@anthonymanderson7671]

​@@HALLish-jl5moGaddafi could have seen this coming but he didn't.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

@@RisingInTheFlesh NATO intervened on the 19th of March, following a resolution from the UN security council. The revolution started in January, violence started mid February, protesters stole tanks on the 19th of February, by the 23rd of February the government had lost control of an airport, and by March 15th, the Rebels were launching airstrikes of their own, sinking government warships. The situation wasn't going great for Gaddafi even before NATO got involved. When your rebels have an airforce, you are not doing very well.

[@Silver_Prussian]

​​@@HALLish-jl5momissed out the part that nato countries sponsored and helped ,,the rebels" who are in reality just terrorists unhappy with Gaddafi's government for dumb reasons. Ousting gaddafi was done for many reason, one of then was free oil the other one was because he was basically going to deal a harsh blow to the US dollar by introducing an pan african currency based on the Libyan one. Even if Gaddafi was old he would have likely picked somebody to succeed him and the country would not be in such a dire state.

[@OsaweEloghosa]

Please can someone travel to Libya recently??

[@AliAmar-mg4ie]

America and Europe describe us as terrorists, and they have forgotten what they did in Gaza. Everything they want to be in their interest, in the hope that Libya will return to what it was, without foreign intervention.

[@hassanj1861]

First of all the videos starts of wrong, lybia is not a country, a country has borders. Its a lawless place

[@guavaguy4397]

Reminds me of divorce proceedings with my wife.

[@Divoonatam]

Interesting

[@nimaiiikun]

restart? it never ended

[@Ar1AnX1x]

Africa is basically like a free for all pvp server, and then people wonder why there's so many refugees moving to Europe, and why a significant percentage of them aren't culturally fit for Europe, its because they didn't move because of cultural values or even economical improvements(because some of them aren't regular immigrants, but refugees), a lot of them moved just to survive, you have to look how a lot of these people's lives were like in their own country, then you'd understand why they risk everything to move, there's for example hundreds of thousands of these people in Syria or Lebonan, they're refugees in their own country, can barely afford food or water or electricity, lost everything in war or political instability

[@mathias9542]

In my country 90% of immigrants are NOT refuges

[@sometimeswitty6849]

90% come from regions with no active reconized military conflict, they come because people go around africa effectively recruiting them. They're offered new phones, legal help and even given temporary bank accounts with a regular stipend, I've even seen the recruiters in action in africa, there's ngo's paid to do this. Edit, phone spazzing out, as for those from the middleast in actual warzones my stance is it shouldnt be europes problem, as these people generally bring there problems over here along with alot of backwards beliefs, but i also believe the usa should stop destabalizing countries to place central reserves in them, but thats clearly not going to stop anytime soon.

[@ambessaseway5594]

Majority of Africans in UK are legal migrants with a work visa

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@sometimeswitty6849 who said it's Europe's problem? and 'these people generally bring their problems' is an exaggeration of the highest degree, some of them are terrible people and should be deported but most of them integrate, if what you said was true the U.S. would be the worst country on the planet after taking hundreds of millions of poor uneducated immigrants for a century and this wasn't really an advocation for immigration, just that its not a surprise with how unstable Africa and the Middle-East is

[@weamibrahim2146]

Yep, glad to see someone saying something sensible. Cheers from Syria

[@thefalconegeneral4820]

Maybe NATO should have left Libya alone

[@J.B.Ram1]

Would it have made a difference? Once Gadaffi died his house of cards was going collapse anyway.

[@Thoughtsbyme-ts4jz]

@@J.B.Ram1well they accelerated it and now Italy, a part of NATO, is shocked the consequences of their actions are happening

[@shafsteryellow]

​@@J.B.Ram1 who killed gaddafi?

[@zsombortelek8411]

​@@shafsteryellow His own people.

[@newworldbro]

gaddafi simps are so lame

[@chomper720]

The civil war ever ended?

[@AbcXyz-sv6ol]

It was not a Civil war at all it was the West who called it like for explain why they need to invade Lybia. It was a war between Khadafi and Lybian peoples against The General After who works for the CIA

[@lupen_rein]

The war ended, but it ended with a ceasefire, not a negotiated peace settlement, so it may reignite any day now.

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

create your own bank. derp. power.

[@R.stiltskin]

Ghadaffi should never have been ousted

[@datboib3432]

I see you were a fan of his slave markets held in numerous cities throughout Libya 🤡 Surely the dozens of t-rist groups he funded & supplied for decades share your same sentiment

[@farright118]

How many turkish soldiers are in the west?

[@TheKing-uu7jn]

Italy needs to prepare its navy

[@wadeday8706]

Libya does not have a strong navy, it’s the weakest in North Africa in terms of naval power. It’s also internal and has rarely spilled over to other countries. Europe is not in any danger, the only ones in danger are Libyan civilians.

[@CampusTheBridge]

He is talking about those civilians i think​@@wadeday8706

[@francoswag1281]

​​@@wadeday8706 I think the guy is reffering to the possibility that many people will try to migrate to italy to recieve refugee status, since the migrant route requieres ppl to pass through the sea, that would put preassure on the italian navy to respond to the crisis

[@an70n10_]

​@@francoswag1281Libya is Italian and we should take it back Nato is just Usa we aint independent

[@caseclosed9342]

And Qaddafi thought he could unite Africa…😂

[@hothdog]

he got killed by nato before he could do enything..

[@an70n10_]

​@@hothdogusa*

[@an70n10_]

My bad it's the same thing

[@AliAmar-mg4ie]

America and Europe describe us as terrorists, and they have forgotten what they did in Gaza. Everything they want to be in their interest, in the hope that Libya will return to what it was, without foreign intervention.

[@The_Prenna]

Yet another success for American foreign policy 🙄

[@christianmutiga301]

NATO backed. USA, Britain, France

[@christianmutiga301]

No Western leader decried the removal of Gaddafi from Libya

[@konstantinosskarmoutsos5935]

Because the world would do very good if there were not the US

[@Silver_Prussian]

​@@konstantinosskarmoutsos5935Yes we actually would

[@Silver_Prussian]

​@gabrieljean-batiste2006its fully to blame for libya along with brittain and france

[@Yasinburak1992]

Removing gaddafi was a mistake tbh. Guy was bad yea but now we have this mess…

[@Belloking1]

He wasn’t bad at all. Compared to our biggest ally in the Middle East (The Star of David state) Gaddafi was a saint. He was toppled for seeking alternatives to the petro dollar and west/white led international financial institutions like IMF and World Bank.

[@matthewmiller6568]

​@@Belloking1he was pdfile who had literal sex dungeons where he would kidnap kids to. He was brutal to his people to the point they rebelled.

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

The removal of ghedaffi is the worst thing that happened to Italy in 21st century 😢

[@pao_2031]

@@Belloking1 Multiple things can be true. Was he a terrible leader - yes. Did Libyans live much better lives under his rule than they do now - yes. Obviously standing up to the West, unlike his peers in Saudi and Egypt, was never going to end well, but that doesn't make him a fault-free liberator.

[@jaylooppworld381]

@@pao_2031well after distributing the blames, under which regime would you prefer to live ? The one active now or gadaffi’s ? Thats the question that matter.

[@notruthinthisworld.8414]

NATO did well

[@محمدمازق-غ1خ]

All this happened to us because your beloved NATO

[@matthewmiller6568]

No it happened because Gaddafi mistreated his people and caused a civil war.

[@jcbw9975]

No. Wrong

[@berjoxhn5142]

"Central bank" 👃

[@midia2]

Are u study boy..is not real isu

[@controllerplayer1720]

Ephesians 6:12 Geneva Bible

[@SimpleGeopolitics24]

The civil war is back

[@ricobacalla1891]

Some people gonna blame america again hahahaah

[@shafsteryellow]

It's obviously there fault

[@redacted7060]

Everything was better under Gaddafi

[@erikthomsen4768]

He built an empire on shifty sand and you’re congratulating him? Do you think the trend of warlordism, brutality, corruption and tribalism just appeared out of thin air?

[@a3cools115]

@@erikthomsen4768cope

[@pao_2031]

@@erikthomsen4768 He is technically correct though. Their socioeconomic indicators have sunk and democracy + respect for human rights is even further out of reach than it used to be. Sarkozy and Obama's decision to cosplay as the Avengers over there did far more damage than would have occurred if they had stayed out of it like they did with Egypt, Tunisia and the Emirati states. There is enough historical precedent to show that poorly executed Western armed interventions in that region always makes things far worse for the people there. And before you start - yes Gaddafi was a terrible person who could've prevented all this in the first place with democratic reforms rather than authoritarianism. But that doesn't absolve the other actors of their role in this mess.

[@erikthomsen4768]

@@pao_2031 I honestly don’t care much for the less of two evil, especially when he has already motivated his own population into a full scale revolt against him. From what I can tell, the rebels sought to preserve his accomplishments and getting rid of his corrupt regime. The only thing we did was bomb Gaddafi’s regime into submission and allow the rebels to win a short war. We didn’t create the tribalism or warlordism that is plaguing this republic today.

[@wadeday8706]

@@erikthomsen4768Warlordism was not a thing in Libya before the war. The war was what started the cycle of savagery not Gaddafi rule. A lot of what has been said about Gaddafi was an exaggerated he was no saint but he was not as brutal as most other dictators.

[@trashcanthertrdman8459]

Libya would be the richest country in Africa if the EU didn't overthrow Gaddafi

[@Lin.Do.n]

You mean if the Arab gulf countries hadn't lobbied the West to intervene and also lobbies the UN to approve the intervention?

[@lupen_rein]

The EU? It was the rebels who were supported by NATO air strikes based on a consensus UN Security Council mandate agreeing to "any means necessary" except boots on the ground to prevent a bloodbath in Benghazi.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

​@@lupen_rein Half the SC abstained. Some 'consensus'.

[@alexisvladimir8148]

And Gaddafi deserved that ousting after supporting various communist terrorist and jihadist groups in the world.

[@Lin.Do.n]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn A third abstained. And in UN terminology consensus just means no objecting votes. Unanimous is when all vote in favour and there is no abstaining or objecting votes.

[@tiptoe38]

America

[@controllerplayer1720]

Ephesians 6:12 1599 Geneva Bible 12 [a]For we wrestle not against flesh and [b]blood, but against [c]principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors(monarchs,kings,corrupt presidents,junta,regimes and dictators), the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness(heretic religious rulers and jihadist extremist imams), which are in the high places.

[@myxomat00sis]

thanks NATO

[@erikthomsen4768]

It should be Qaddafi who should receive credit for pushing his own people into open revolt due to corruption and dictatorial brutality. You should blame Gaddafi for allowing warlordism and tribalism to fester and grow until it consumed everything he had built!

[@a3cools115]

@@erikthomsen4768you’re a shill, stop the cope and lies

[@megaponful]

​Cringe take the warlordism started after Gaddafi was murdered and a power vaccuum was created that could never be filled. He didn't push anybody into revult the insurgents were paid and armed to take him down. You are wrong ​@@erikthomsen4768

[@an70n10_]

Usa* Nato is just Usa and their sadly not independent members

[@AliAmar-mg4ie]

America and Europe describe us as terrorists, and they have forgotten what they did in Gaza. Everything they want to be in their interest, in the hope that Libya will return to what it was, without foreign intervention.

[@SimpleGeopolitics24]

Remember the days of the Carthage Empire

[@AlexC-ou4ju]

that would have been Tunisia. It's like saying 'Remember the days of the Roman empire' on a video about switzerland.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

You don't have to go far back to begin with. Things were better under Gaddafi, until certain countries went in to remove him.

[@SimpleGeopolitics24]

@@AlexC-ou4ju Carthage is in Tunisia, but the Phoenicians also had colonies in north of Libya

[@explodingwolfgaming8024]

Commenting 4 algorithm

[@MuhammadAsif-y4x]

🛳🚌🛫

[@augustin5611]

Wtf are those bad analysis. Not a good channel to be informed of anything

[@Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

You're clearly not versed enough on this matter given the mistakes you made in this video (I'm not going list them but for one, the eastern government is based in Toburk not Benghazi) Please refrain from making these videos about my country ever again

[@Daniel-iy4zy]

“As British people, we-“ lemme cut you off right there. I am not British!!! But thank you for covering the U.S. in the nebula series :)

[@Stjorn]

debaby

[@whitezombie10]

A civil war’s factions sitting at a table and discussing how to share the money of the country because they interrupted the war is NOT something I thought I would hear about. We should have just left Gaddafi alone

[@an70n10_]

Or left...us🇮🇹

[@entropicpedro]

Africa will never recover from Gaddafi's death. Since that man was killed by the West the continent has been on an accelerating downward spiral...

[@MagicSecretsandMysteries]

As brutal as he was, Gadafi was lowkey ahead of his time. He forced progress and cohesion in his country. Its concerning how the quality of life for the majority of Libyan citizens was better under Gadafi's rule than under what the UN would allow them. Is it me or does the UN tend try and enforce the status quo more than actually helping the countries it gets itself involved in; especially resouce rich countries are destabalised. Like, i support their peace keeping missions but whenever they actually try and intervene, its often to destabalise the region. *Puts tinfoil hat on*

[@erikthomsen4768]

You are looking with rose colored glasses, if you think he built a great country. Let it not be forgotten that the blatant corruption, dictatorial police brutality and his own warmongering pushed his people to revolt against him. This is why the first Libyan Civil War happened. The second Civil War can be attributed to the tribalism and warlordism that he refused to address. These deep rooted issues created a terrible foundation for his new republic.

[@a3cools115]

@@erikthomsen4768a lot of lies and cope. You’re acting like lobbying isn’t a form of corruption in western government, not only that US agencies have increased corruption.

[@MagicSecretsandMysteries]

@erikthomsen4768 Never said he was perfect. But it was certainly better for the vast majority of its people before than it is now. He was forceful, but at least he had something to show for it. Look at all the other African countries that are now constantly fighting against themselves or each other. The majority of their people are suffering. I'm not gonna going to compare his rule to modern 1st world countries. There was a time when the best England could do was have authoritarian rule (absolute monarchy). These figures, during their multigenerational reign, managed to achieve a common sense of identity amoungst the people minimising infighting. I'm not going to sit here and look down on people for infighting considering our own sense of national identity stems from long-lines of authoritarians who forcibly nurtured/fostered a common identity across an entire nation. For a long time, British history was riddled with factional infighting. Also, back then, they were were largely isolated and didn't have the additional pressure of competing with the rest of the world on the global stage. In the case of Libya, foreign powers have more to gain by destabilising the resource rich country, which makes cohesion that much more unlikely.

[@erikthomsen4768]

@@MagicSecretsandMysteries What exactly is the motive to destabilize a resource rich country? Oil became more expensive as a result of the civil war. That’s the opposite of what any western government would want. Although I do admit that the Arab countries that joined our little coalition did benefit from taking out a competitor.

[@MagicSecretsandMysteries]

@erikthomsen4768 I'm not talking about civil wars as it's rarely ever the public fighting but rather military factions and thugs seeking to capitalise of the chaos (based on what's happening in African countries elsewhere). In this case, the country's economy is in shambles, and foreign countries are able to either cheaply buy off their reserves short-term or secure long-term contracts extremely cheaply. Sometimes when the infighting ISN'T (*edit*) major, some foreign parties are able to out-right buy off mining/drilling rights; these parties/companies lobby their respective government to interfere in other countries affairs. These tactic has been used by nearly every major country for hundreds of years. It's not new. The people suffer every time.

[@JordiSalvadoBuque-gs1he]

After Gaddafi the situation in Lybia only has made worst and worst ... Ask to CIA & MI6. 😢😢😢😢😢

[@erikthomsen4768]

Oh, please, he refused to deal with the problem of warlordism and his rule was so oppressive and corrupt that he pushed people to revolt. You don’t get to blame everything on us. Take some goddamn responsibility.

[@a3cools115]

@@erikthomsen4768the non stop shilling bot

[@erikthomsen4768]

@@a3cools115 if you could prove me wrong, you wouldn’t have resorted to petty insults.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

"foreign backed rebels" Sounds like NATO did what Russia did in Ukraine

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

Not really a secret that Kadaffi lost his power and his life due to France and USA intervention as he tried to sell oil without using USD.

[@Lin.Do.n]

You forgot to add in the Gulf countries there.

[@waynesmith7746]

Difference is these revels were already there and came up naturally. The start of 2014 war was started by Russian operatives like Igor girkin and other Russian soldiers w Russian biker gangs joining in. With a small contingent of Ukrainians. Russian then sent in their own official military pretending they were Ukrainian

[@eVill420]

Gaddafi kinda started it by saying Switzerland should be destroyed and by funding terrorist attacks into Europe

[@nickt2822]

you know that ghadafi whas a dick.. tator right? do you think that being a dick..tator doesnt make you a lot of enemies? why do you think that the fate of 99% of dick..tators is to be merced? because they are such good people and everybody likes them?!