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[@UnswimmingFishYT]

Objective fact: Luke in legends is better than Luke in Disney canon.

[@MLGProTroller]

Well even Luke himself would agree. 😂

[@priestesslucy3299]

Even Luke's actor would agree

[@DaysofElijah317]

Disney is a hack fan fiction in my opinion Legends are the true canon

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

@@DaysofElijah317 True. All the best stuff is mostly pre-Disney. I'm not entirely sure if it will improve over time, or if it will just get too bad to be profitable and contribute to Disney collapsing.

[@SubmissiveMemerality]

Even Kylo Ren would agree

[@user-tx3ho6fl3s]

So by this point of view...Anakin didn't just bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith, but by being the result of the Jedi Order's failings

[@tornado79ify]

I believe Anakin was the catalyst of the balance of the force being a reset. If that makes sense.

[@cadeshanley218]

Like a Phoenix Reborn from the Ashes. To quote Lord Beerus from Dragon Ball: "Before creation, comes destruction."

[@angelwhispers2060]

That's what the legend cannon was supposed to do

[@Gymantis]

Bringing balance to the force doesn't necessarily mean needing to destroy the Sith. If one side of the force is more dominating than the other then the force seeks to correct this which is what happened with the fall of the Jedi.

[@cadeshanley218]

@@Gymantis Exactly.

[@notapplicable1296]

EU or legends grandmaster Luke made sense, he brought his father back thru an attachment/Love, showing love and other emotions can be strength as well as a weakness. Yoda's Jedi feared emotions and attachments. Had Anakin been taught Luke's way I doubt he would've turned

[@neliusbresnan3766]

legends Grandmaster Luke was so much stronger than the character that Disney broke

[@robertmolnar8543]

When you think about it, it ultimately is a situation of quantity (The Old Jedi Order) vs. quality (The New Jedi Order). and considering how one was slaughtered like dogs and the other helped to defeat what is basically a Force god (Abeloth), I think it is pretty clear which one was better.

[@jonathancapel3595]

The reason that I believe that Luke's order is better is because he treated his followers as human beings. The old Jedi heavily monitored their own Order, because they were always constantly afraid of people defying the code. That seems almost like a prison, and those that weren't completely aligned with the rules were always treated badly

[@kirby9377]

The rules were made so you wouldnt make a mistake and they served a purpose

[@danielkeel9265]

Sentient beings, you mean. Not human-centric like the empire

[@hellkaiser1366]

​@@kirby9377bitch where?they ether made you a sociopath or a sith,Azoka was actually the only person that did not get fuck by the rules,and she was Anakins student so she really docent count

[@naruciak24]

​@@kirby9377Rules are to be revised if there are new information available. Jedi Order stagnated

[@kirby9377]

@@naruciak24 the rules still need to exist

[@childofgreen2847]

I honestly feel like the old order and Luke's order had good intentions, BUT, each path would have problems no matter what. But if i was to pick one, i'd pick Luke's method.

[@eds1942]

One of the things that I liked about Luke’s Jedi is that the older inductees brought with them their prior and personal skills and experience, making some of them far more effective Jedi than their abilities in Force could account for alone. Corran Horn, for instance, lacked the basic Jedi ability of telekinesis. Mara Jade was rather average or low level in her powers. However, no one can say that these two Jedi weak. Rather, their skills, intelligence and experience outside of the Order’s training made them two of Luke’s most capable Jedi.

[@priestesslucy3299]

Mara started out average, but when she moved in with Luke she just kept growing and growing. She's one of the big 3 masters under his tenure as Grandmaster for a reason. Weaker in the force than Kyle Katarn and Kyp Durron of course, but far above average.

[@camendiv]

I remember playing KOTOR and ranting to my friends about my conversations with Bastille, how in spite of her power she and many of the Jedi were sheltered and weak. They never had most of the foundational, developmental experiences and opportunities to learn and grow that the rest of us do and that was why so many of them had failed. Luke's biggest advantage wasn't just the power he inherited from Anikin but that all of his most important lessons weren't spoon fed to him, he had to earn them and they served him well.

[@damarglover6363]

Instead, we got Disney's version of Luke skywalkers Jedi academy in which he literally repeated the same mistakes that they did and had the same damn outcome 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@swearimnotarobot3746]

One problem with the Order is that they force the Jedi not to have attachments. Even if you are of the belief that attachments can become a weakness and a path to the darkside, it can only be achieved through the individual Jedi choosing that path for themselves. It would be the difference between choosing not to do something, as opposed to being forced not to do something. E.g; Choosing not to kill someone VS being forced not to kill someone. One shows strength to make the right choice, the other shows nothing, as they were never given the chance to prove themselves. If someone never experiences these ethical dilemmas, they won’t know how to deal with them. Side note, I’m pretty sure Revan said that this was even more of a weakness. Positive emotions can turn to negative emotions. Love for someone becomes fear for their safety becomes the dark side, etc. But just as the dark side can draw strength from negative emotions, the light side can draw strength from positive emotions. The Jedi are ironically acting out of fear.

[@charleslee8313]

Well said

[@jsbcody]

Yet the Jedi had an attachment.....to the Senate, instead of the people of the Republic. Couple that with the Jedi's attachment to the Jedi Council (where only likeminded Jedi were allowed) and the resulting dogma.

[@dawall3732]

I think he had it wright. I also think the drift from the original way shows just how corrupt they became in Yodas time.

[@johnwebb4499]

It's a shame we didn't get more Luke. Not even in animation.

[@robertmolnar8543]

Too be honest I am glad we didn't get more Luke because Disney ruined his character because face it Luke would not have even considered killing Ben/Kylo unless he had no other choice however, he would move heaven and earth to redeem him which he did not do in the f-ed up Disney Canon.

[@priestesslucy3299]

​​@@robertmolnar8543I can see the briefest of flash of consideration flying through his mind... And right back out before he could even twitch his shoulder muscles to grab his lightsaber. Luke isn't immune to evil thoughts, he just rejects them.

[@robertmolnar8543]

@@priestesslucy3299 Exactly my point because while the thought of killing his nephew may have crossed his mind Luke would have never have even considered it a viable option except as an absolute last resort the backstory we got in the films.of Luke wanting to kill Ben/Kylo, if even for a moment, was nothing but character assassination pure and simple and to be honest considering that Luke is 1 of my favorite characters in Star Wars I will never be okay with that

[@Chaoskingdonovan]

The reason is that not only was the dark side growing stronger but also that the Jedi didn’t trust eachother so much that force techniques that use to be common used like force heal and harmony were locked away

[@jonahstirbis3408]

I know lukes order is better because he allowed freedom of speech and of choice and that is why his order survived for decades and also he allowed emotions into his order which greatly helped him better understand them.

[@DaScorpionSting]

Luke's new jedi order i think was better. His father would've supported it even Qui-gon-jinn.

[@priestesslucy3299]

Even Qui-gon's master, though he may have given Luke the sideye for distilling the 7 lightsaber forms down to three and not teaching the classics at least as supplemental lessons

[@eds1942]

With the Dathomiri Witches. There at least two distinct factions or clans; 1 - the Nightsisters (practitioners of Darkside magics) 2 - the Daughters of Allya. (these sisters merged their own beliefs and those taught by a Jedi exile named Allya. Rejecting the practices of the Nightsisters.) Luke trained one of the Witches belonging to the Daughters of Allya faction to become one of his Jedi.

[@priestesslucy3299]

I didn't recall the name of the Daughters of Allya faction, but yeah I got a huge knot in my stomach when he said Luke trained a Nightsister. Those are dark siders, and their leader at the time really fucked Luke up 😂

[@Jman417]

Training Jedi from a young age is a brilliant idea. It's just like a chef getting trained from a young age to complete culinary masterpieces. Keep up the great content.

[@HeliRy]

The thought of a Night Sister Jedi is… frigging awesome!!!

[@richv1893]

Luke had to train who was available, which was better than the way it was before.

[@herodaresfire4512]

This needed another edit. Brakiss wasn't killed by Leia. He died when the Shadow Academy self destructed during its attack on the Jedi Praxeum.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Disney should've tried to bring this sort of thing alive instead of what we got. Damn you Disney.

[@undeadspartan3542]

Would’ve been beautiful

[@EAcapuccino]

Luke also had 1st hand experience with dark side power - on the attack - especially after being belittled by Vader and Palpetine (psychological warfare, if you like) and then by Palpetines force lightning. So of course, Luke had much more prior knowledge of the dark side in order to combat it which is what Yoda DID NOT ever have. So, it's no wonder Lukes pupils became more aware of Sith antics and became much better Jedi as a result

[@jayburn00]

Luke also turned to the dark side temporarily. Was brought back to the light by his sister.

[@bigbromcgee7118]

Don’t matter whether Yoda had experience or not (which btw we all saw how Yoda rebuked and could have been even more powerful than Sidious) with the dark side. Yoda was still way too powerful for Luke to even defeat. The best and most powerful Jedis ever were during Yodas Grandmaster reign.

[@frankdees507]

Yoda did a way better job of countering force lightning. There was no dark side attack Yoda was untrained for

[@priestesslucy3299]

​@@jayburn00I wouldn't necessarily call Dark Empire a full turn. He was in the process of turning for sure, but he was pulled back out before he went in the deep end

[@Milton2k]

Isn't it sad that we could have gotten these stories but instead we got Ep-7-8-9.

[@Hungary_0987]

Yeah

[@Bwillis2099]

Honestly I think this is the Luke Skywalker that should have been in the sequel Trilogy 9:30

[@andy84denham]

Hey was closer to the very original je-di in a way, yoga’s order. Trying to seek balance in the force and follow the will of the force will make them far more powerful the Yoda’s order.

[@charlieelliott3559]

Luke's jedi academy was definitely the better way going about it

[@kirby9377]

Not

[@mikeabbaticchio5754]

Luke definitely had it right, in fact Yoda was still blinded by what the old order was by initially refusing to train Luke. Could you imagine what would've have happened if Kenobi's spirit had not forced Yoda to relinquish his decision? It would have doomed the Galaxy in my opinion and lead Luke to becoming a True Sith....

[@blackc1479]

I think it was ultimately a big strength to accept older candidates. Part of the old orders fault was creating knights whos primary filter and understanding of the universe was jedi dogma. At the least, they had a harder time adapting to the realities of the universe, and in the worst cases could decide that things should be forced to fit their understanding. Allowing all ages brought both valuable experience, and different perspectives built on lives outside the order. And as to the kids, it was similar. Yeah, they grew up "in the temple" but the temple was made up of much more varied jedi, and as maybe the masterstroke, they werent "required" to stay in, and were allowed to do their own thing, but they also had not just the formal loyalty to the order, but loyalty to their FAMILY, both by blood and not. That kind of bond carries a lot more weight than formal oaths.

[@ajsliter]

He seemed to have adopted the teachings of Qui Gon Jin in having attachments and harnessing the connection and feelings for their force powers and their lightsaber. He might have also adopted some leanings of Mace Windu because Mace was Balanced in the force, knowing both light and dark and therefore able to use both powers without succumbing to the dark side. That’s how Luke was able to create a synthetic crystal and in the mandalorian used force choke. Had Luke found a natural kyber crystal it would have likely been purple as the color stood for balance in the force.

[@thomasparque7834]

I think Luke was right and in my head-Legends-canon i like to image he found a journal or some notes over the matter belonging to redeem Revan just before starting his academy but after the Thrawn Trilogy. Almost like Darth Bane with the holocron of Darth Revan. I think we would like to know what Luke would have though a Revan himself

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

I like this and it works with my head canon too

[@Allhailthesith]

In legends aka the EU he did if I remember correctly

[@benfarrar741]

Why couldn't we have seen THESE stories in the movies??? These are so much better!

[@pdanc]

I think it depends on what your goals are and the needs of that time.

[@19TheFallen]

Luke: My Jedi Order is more powerful than the old one! *Cue his Jedi Order falling after a couple of decades of existing in comparison to the thousands of years that the old Jedi Order existed for before falling to Order 66. (At least in Disney Canon)*

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

I really liked that variant of the new Jedi Order. I miss it.

[@lawrencecummings8703]

Luke's Jedi academy had a wide range of different backgrounds regardless what age they were and they're actually allowed to have families so generations they'll protect the galaxy

[@andreasschaeflein4233]

While his jedi order still faced the issues of jedi falling to the dark side, Luke's new order was definitely better than the old. I wonder how Cade would have rebuilt it and what rules he would change?

[@priestesslucy3299]

Would he have rebuilt it at all? Cade was fiercely independent. At best I imagine Cade might have just trained one apprentice at a time, graduated (knighted?) Them and taken another, allowing the Jedi to start slowly repopulating as independent force users following a general lineage of positive teachings Almost like a non-exclusive, growing Jedi Paralel to Bane's order.

[@nicholassingh5355]

The Old Order as much as they would talk about fear being such a taboo. They themselves we're the most fearful. Preferring programmable, unquestioning robots, rather than personnel that wrestled with, understood and had the opportunity to overcome their struggles with morality. The New Order represented a truly compassionate, loving, and redemptive approach that the guardians of light would bring towards conflict. In the Old Order there was virtually no form method of redemption. It was "oh no, he/she's to old" Or "so and so has been utterly consumed by the dark side with nothing remaining". The New Order extends a hand saying "you can be different; you can be better." "There's still an opportunity for you yet, if you will choose to walk in the light".

[@thenson1Halo]

Kip was a badass. He was a crack pilot against the Vong too.

[@greenleafnumber70]

Who was easier for Palpatine to turn to the dark side Anakin or Dooku?

[@19TheFallen]

Well, it's questionable.....Whether you look at Legends or Disney Canon, Dooku had started to lose faith in the Jedi order for a while. In legends, he feared that the Sith were returning, but was brushed off every time he expressed those concerns. What turned him was Sidious presenting him with footage of his former apprentice, Qui-Gon Jinn, dying at Darth Maul's hand. Like Anakin, Sidious used his attachments and emotions to turn him. In Disney Canon, Dooku had not only lost faith, but had secretly turned before Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan even went to fight Darth Maul. Anakin, no matter how you slice it, was doomed to turn. His fears about those he loved being harmed or killed were constantly being brushed off, he was told to simply let them go and it fueled an intense feeling that he was being ignored, held back and disrespected by them. And all the while, Sidious, as Palpatine, was always there, "listening" to his concerns, giving him council, praising him and fueling the dark fire growing inside him until the moment was right. But, if I had to say anything in regards to which was easier to turn, it was probably Anakin.....Dooku had his fears and concerns, but didn't turn until he was much older, and it was a slower process. Anakin, upon receiving even the tiniest false hope that he could save the ones he loved if he turned, turned on a dime.

[@greenleafnumber70]

I think you're right. Thanks for the great response.@@19TheFallen

[@dragonswolves5330]

Both in the end were easy to turn sadly

[@user-ci7dy1qk6z]

Actually, the thing about "no attachments" in Lukes order is, in my opinion, much closer to the buddhist an daoistic teachings (on which, i presume, the idea is based) than that of the Yodas order. "No attachments" does not mean "no relations". It's more like not being too focused on the things that are important for you. You have to strive for something, whereas in Jedi ways of Yodas order it was "obey the orders" kind of stuff. The problem is that the latter is good for those who cannot yet grasp the idea of perfecting yourself as a purpose. This "later you'll understand", though, is problem, for example, for Anakin, for whom, i guess, it resembled the slavery which he escaped. The other thing is not being able to leave the order for a time to process things. Of course, studying many ways at the same time is bad for training, but take a break is very important (let's think of it as of a gap year). Again, it's bad for kids, who were the main audience in the Temple, thus it was easier to forbade doing so for everyone. To sum up, the Republic Jedi became too rigid, not being able to use individual approach or, at least, specify it for different age groups, which led to that approach being ineffective and even harmful.

[@DLR1997]

They used to have a relationship with each other and had families until about four thousand years before the battle of Yavin by Master Atris

[@user-ci7dy1qk6z]

@@DLR1997 cannot disagree here. But look, the thing is that when things were in such way, the Order was not as rigid as it was in Yoda times. I didn't actually mean that before Luke things were not as you describe. I only meant prequels, since i watched only basic six films and nothing else.

[@jaredquinney204]

What an interesting video

[@straycat1674]

You know it’s silly as it may sound Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a perfect example. When they try to make her have no attachments she was killed time and time again. The slayer. But when she had attachments when she had something to fight for something to love more than just a love a few Maddie itself, I gave her a reason to fight harder, more of a purpose more of a drive.

[@priestesslucy3299]

Stupendous Wave, you gotta use the right terminology my guy. Luke's Student was a *_Witch of Dathomir_* but not a Night Sister. The Night Sisters are dark siders.

[@juliojuarez4033]

What I don't like about lukes academy in cannon is that he repeats the previous order mistakes by not allowing attachments & marriage in his order

[@lordofpain3476]

Luke's arrogance led him to believe that he was qualified to train jedi , even though he had minimal training himself . That is like someone considering themselves a master mechanic just because they put air in their tires once . Or someone considering themselves a doctor just because they once gave someone a aspirin.

[@fdjtron1732]

Luke was well trained, experienced and knowledgeable when he started to train jedi

[@jconnor117]

Yeah I think Luke had it right. That's all I'm gonna say on that. Except one thing Darth Caedus.

[@volbound1700]

To be fair to the old order, I also think even Obi-Won and Yoda had come to realize the mistakes and help guide Luke regarding the New order.

[@robertagu5533]

Actually, we CAN fault the Jedi for their flawed acceptance an training practices. Cuz they showed, especially at their end, how laughably BAD they are at understanding the bigger galaxy. An helping those in need in general. Even their own most famously. Something those like Anakin, Dooku an Eben Qui Gon expressed SERIOUS ISSUES with. An Sith like Palpatine made point to capitalize on... when he finally destroyed them Honestly seems like Luke mostly corrected MANY of the issues especially the glaring serious ones the old Republic Jedi messed up on. Like no attachments an no personal intermarriage Jedi families. Which would made keeping a high number of Jedi peacekeepers possibly EASY or least easier for Yoda an Co back in day. Lack of great numbers at least, an perhaps some exceptionally powerful Jedi literally born into it that could been additional "Anakin" or "Mace" level an similar Jedi is large part of why the Jedi needed the GAR in the first place. An just think of what they coulda done if they'd had the numbers to field just one battalion/wing or squadron of an ALL Jedi combat unit.. like their ancient ancestors did.. such a groups could made all the difference. An Luke got it right having adult trainees too. As they CHOSE to be Jedi Lightsiders despite even opposite origins. A fact Yodas Era somehow lost. Such Jedi aren't or even CANT be corrupted. An could even cause some real issues for even some of the most fearsome Clone Wars Era foes the Jedi had in all kinds of ways with additional skills that weren't even expected.

[@MrStiwan46]

The old Jedi order reminds me of the church. At the first look they seem to have good intentions, but when you look behind the curtain you’ll find some controversial sh*t… I’d go with Luke’s order all day.

[@blitzburn2871]

Seeing how legends Luke would go out of his way to train and rehabilitate Dark siders even when he knew they were there to destroy his order or had done some fucked up things makes me hate how lazy the writters were with Last Jedi.

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

I feel Luke’s Jedi also need a new Code, as the old Jedi Code doesn’t align with his philosophy. Luke's Jedi embrace attachments, emotion, and passion, allowing for open romance and marriage. They operate with a more nuanced, adaptable, balanced, supportive, understanding, insightful, empathetic, and healthy approach to emotions and The Force. Unlike the old Order, which maintained a rigid philosophy that suppressed or avoided natural emotions. As Luke's Order recognize that these aspects of life can be channelled constructively and actually helps Jedi to understand and control their emotions, rather than suppressing them, it strengthens their connection to the Force. My version of Luke’s Code is: In emotion, there is understanding. In knowledge, there is wisdom. In passion, there is purpose. In chaos, there is harmony. In everything, there is the Force. I feel that this Code reflects Luke’s more holistic approach to the Force. Unlike the old Order, which futilely shunned emotions and attachments, Luke’s Order allows for and embraces these elements as integral to their growth and effectiveness. They actively seek to understand the Dark Side, not to fear it, to avoid the ignorance and arrogance that led to the downfall of the old Jedi Order.

[@johnappleton3446]

The old jedi could leave when they wanted too, though. But it would be permanent, not like luke’s where you could live your life fully while still being a jedi

[@Turnsnap]

I don't even think you should have to pledge allegiance to the jedi first and foremost. What makes you worthy of training is your path, who you choose to be. That should be what keeps them in the order, the fact they want to be there and want to be jedi

[@Allhailthesith]

Disney killed all this smmfh

[@straycat1674]

Makes me wonder how many Jedi felt of a dark side because of how dogmatic the Jedi order was. Luke took away a lot of that dogma leading peoples natural instinct and exclamations become part of the Jedi order and who they were. And turn probably keeping quite a few people from ever turning to the Darkside and getting swallowed up by it.

[@baldrian22]

luke was correct. it would also help improve public oppinion of the jedi order. in one of the legends books there is even a couple that was working for the jedi order in some capasety in the temple or realy closely with them, but once they got a child that was force sensetive the jedi order took the child and banned the couple from having anything to do with the jedi temple aigen. the couple was still loyal to the jedi even afther that but their elder son that was old enough to remember what happend was quite resentfull of the jedi order with how they treathed his family once the force sensetive child was born. i dont remember if its from the old sithwar era or slightly before the clonewars the book is set to. but its defenitly shows a darker side of the order.

[@tengkualiff]

1. His Jedi Order didn't get wiped out by plastic bois

[@phorz85]

The two witches were not nightsisters n therefore not from a dark side background.

[@willg.7775]

We never got to see this! Ugh

[@rayman17420]

Listening to the storylines and names from the EU books brings me back. It also makes me a little sad for what could have been had Disney followed Lucas's plan for the final trilogy or they borrowed directly from the EU books. Comparing Disney Luke to EU Luke just reminds me of how Disney did him so, so wrong. So for me the EU is canon and the crap Disney put out is just poorly written fan fiction.

[@NateIsCorrupt]

Love Legends Luke, this is the real Star Wars!

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 288 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@bigbromcgee7118]

The strongest Jedi were during Yodas time as Grandmaster. There is just way too many powerful Jedis during Yodas reign as Grandmaster! Way too many!

[@lordofpain3476]

The reason Luke said that has several answers : 1. Luke wasn't too smart . 2. Luke was arrogant . 3. Luke knew nothing about the jedi . 4. Luke was yoda's greatest failure. 5. The legend of Luke Skywalker was overhyped .

[@GAMER32231]

B R U H LIES

[@kingshadow8782]

Naturally

[@strambino1]

Luke is right from my point of you!

[@christopherhood4942]

They really werent- it took a millenia for the order to fall to decadence and corrupt practices. Lukes school was like that fly that knows things can kill it, and then proceeds to fly into a bonfire.

[@marcosgonzalez4924]

Thank you I was thinking the same thing.

[@jonathangortz8104]

To quote parthanaxx from skyrim. Tell me is it better to have never made a mistake or is it better to have made the mistake and corrected the behavior afterward? He asked this when you tell him the blades want you to kill him.

[@RayHardman7567]

Legends Luke trained Jedi that were more powerful than Jedi in the old high Republic era before the sith wars.

[@kirby9377]

You did not just say that

[@kirby9377]

No one from lukes jedi order could win over plo koon and were levels under weak jedi like kit fisto

[@RayHardman7567]

@@kirby9377 a couple of them took on exar kun and won. Jedi masters on the council couldn't beat him.

[@kirby9377]

@@RayHardman7567mace windu and plo koon and Yoda could beat every new jedi

[@MLGProTroller]

@@kirby9377Bro just stop talking, you’re wrong.

[@laestaca7182]

If this is Canon, that doesn't mean jack shit. If this is legends, this statement is absolutely true

[@DLR1997]

Legends

[@newhybrid101]

In Legends timeline pretty much any force user in Yuuzan Vong-Legacy of Force era is far above Yoda in power. Kyp Durron,Caedus,Jaina Solo,Ben,Krayt. They are all far above Sidious by feats and scaling. Its something fans have a hard time COPING with. Kyp Durrons black hole feat and performance against an older Luke in sparring utterly embarrasses Vader. Jaina matched Kyp Durron As for Caedus,Luke didnt sat he was stronger than Vader cause thats all he was,he was compared to him cause he was his grandfather and had similar fall. Not to mention he grew expontially powerful over time,he only lost cause he was injured and his sister was given Lukes power,Caedus even said she was as strong as Luke in that moment. And he still barely lost Luke didnt become "twice" as strong as Sidious That statement was referring to how strong Anakin would become quickly after killing Obiwan. Even Dark Empire Sidious is far more than twice the power of his EP3 self. Grandmaster Luke scales comfortably in the HUNDREDS of times above peak Sidious Deathbattle made a grave mistake comparing Obi-Wan to Kyp Durron. Kyp would literally vaporize him with a gesture,Luke only compared him to Obiwan when he was untrained. He even said that Kyp turning to the darkside would be more destructive than Anakin becoming Vader Thats right,the Chosen One Anakin would get BULLIED by his granddaughter. So would Vader

[@jfb173jb]

Well technically Luke compared Obi Wan to Kyp according to legends. That's why they used it.

[@TaraCicora]

I know, right? And when Jacen was flow walking to the times of ROTJ and thought that Anakin was barely trained at the time he fell. I think it speaks a lot to the training that the Older Order gave. I have no doubt that the Jedi of the older order *could* do this. But when you streamline your training, much of the unique aspects of training is lost.

[@fox2569]

Nobody mentioned is above DE Sidious, only GM Luke was

[@eds1942]

The Palpatine clones were Palpatine at his full potential. The guy was obsessed with leaving forever. And heavy use of the Darkside corrupts the body, preventing healing, and without any knowledge of ancient Sith rituals, would’ve excellerated the aging process. But, with the steady supply of clones and the prospect of gaining the Solo children to transfer his essence into, he no longer cared about that limitation. Anakin and his twin children would’ve been at least twice as powerful as the Palpatine clones if they were to ever go on to reach their full potential, which is increased with your knowledge, experience, use of and when you push yourself to your limits. Lucas’ power scaling placed Luke as achieving near the full potential of the Chosen One, which was the same as Anakin and Leia’s potential. Only falling short of that by 5% due to the loss of his hand. Just as Anakin’s potential connection to the Force was cut in half due to the loss of his limbs. Legends Luke how ever was limited below that since most of his development happened before Lucas came up with the idea that the Skywalkers had the highest Force potential in history by at least a factor of two. Legends explained this, I think, as Luke having had a late start and had to figure everything beyond the bare basics on his own. That Luke wouldn’t learn that for the Skywalkers, there basically were no comparative limits until he was near the age of retirement. Otherwise, by Lucas’ power scaling, Luke would’ve been very near as powerful as Abeloth (95%), as opposed to only being 1/12 of that.

[@claudestevens1350]

Did yoda ever question this thinking?

[@jeremyarrington9427]

wow luke was training jedi older than him!

[@joeaquilino19]

They called him Stream bc when he was younger he could force pEe across the street.

[@JKH133]

However, during one specialised training session…

[@danieltyson2865]

The New Jedi Order by Grandmaster Luke Skywalker,is the way they should’ve always been.

[@PsychedelicDude]

However, during one specialized training session...

[@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi]

I would why they can't recast favorite characters like the James Bond franchise did?

[@Gor85]

Luke's Jedi Order is far better. Luke allowed marriage,love. He encouraged it. This was true way. Very smart. Jedi born other Force-sensitive. It's not problem he trained dark side affiliates. He did good. His Jedi Order is far better. May the Force be with you too😊

[@raditicat]

no

[@Gor85]

@@raditicatwhy not?

[@raditicat]

@@Gor85 yoda's way better is

[@Hungary_0987]

@@raditicatliterally how

[@Gor85]

@@raditicat don't think so i

[@allnamesaretakenful]

The Old Jedi were wrong. Criminal even.

[@brimstonewinpete9306]

now this is Luke Skywalker the one I know

[@Phoenix_A.W.810]

Although I don't have a much of a problem with Luke's character in episodes 7, 8 and 9, I also like how Luke's character was portrayed in legends. I really wish the makers of Star Wars just made a story line and stuck with it till the end, instead of having both legend story lines and canon story lines.

[@bahadiralpcetin]

5:09 A rookie editing mistake which I did not expect to see from jedi masters such as yourself...

[@shadeofshattered3]

Cannon luke was going to kill his first disciple in his sleep Yoda first students don't typically turn to the darkside

[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@NPC-gl8xp]

Disney ruined so much potential it hurts

[@b.msabol8551]

In current lore Luke is a joke. No offense. Yoda trained every single notable Jedi we know, not to mention Anakin (the chosen one) and Luke himself. So flat out Luke thinking that is laughable. Legends Luke however was damn near a force God. Battling Darth Kryat, The Vong, A reborn Palpatine, etc.

[@fireaxe3343]

They really did him dirty in canon

[@spacemilker9093]

Make it lame and put a chick in it - Kathleen kennedy

[@marciofelipejustino2563]

Kyp durron badss jedi.

[@Giddywiddy]

Weren't they all killed off by a little boy? 😂

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

The truly laughable part is that Ben Solo's training as a padawan wasn't even complete, and he still managed to murk Luke's entire school. And meanwhile, all of the Luke fanboys are actually trying to convince ppl that his Jedi Order had more powerful/talented members simply because they prefer his philosophy to Yoda's. It's like their brain is completely devoid of active cells.

[@devonmangiarelli3886]

Sorry luke the only one from his order that could take the likes of yoda Windu and anakin

[@StarWars_TheFan]

They all died so…

[@isessogroup]

Lmao. All Jedi wastemen. Period

[@Yueff]

So did Yoda’s…

[@Lsingnatureworld]

The sequels aren’t canon , Kathleen left Disney already soon yet will retcon those trash movies

[@songoku7530]

​@@Lsingnatureworldthe sequels are Canon

[@Ale12287]

He had 10 students and half of them became Sith. He is just an arrogant child

[@fdjtron1732]

He had like hundreds of students. In 44 ABY there was more than thousand of the jedi in his order.

[@MLGProTroller]

@@fdjtron1732100** not a thousand

[@fdjtron1732]

@@MLGProTroller there were 100 in 25 ABY and above thousand in Fate of the Jedi. After Yuuzhan-Vong War Jedi made new temples and academy's: on Ossus, Coruscant, Corellia, Dathomir etc

[@Hungary_0987]

Not that many…

[@joeaquilino19]

What he did not do was run away like a sad bum and take 15 hours to train up a mary sue

[@bigmanhelper]

I wonder what would happen if Anakin with his Chosen One destiny was born a Chiss rather than a Human, and became best friends with Thrawn?

[@user-yq9im9dk9z]

Rise of Kylo Ren is pretty much the only canon source about Luke's canon order. Honestly it's pretty boring 😢😮

[@th3blackghost214]

It's a bold claim but it's true when Luke says it when he said his Jedi order is more powerful than master Yoda's 😂😂😂

[@Gundam4]

Luke's order is clearly better

[@nathan8812]

Yet one more channel that says Disney's fan fiction is cannon. Sad.

[@kirby9377]

The old jedi were stronger and attachments led to the empire so the old jedi were right

[@songoku7530]

No they wrong

[@kirby9377]

@@songoku7530 Nah they were right just look what it did to anakin

[@MLGProTroller]

@@kirby9377Using what happened to Anakin as your example to “prove” the old Jedi order was better just proves how the new Jedi Order is better. So keep using examples that don’t help you. It’s very smart of you !

[@kirby9377]

Well anakin thought that attachement is good but his attachment led him to the dark side

[@poppalee]

​@@kirby9377It was not the attachment.... it was lying about it

[@bigbromcgee7118]

None of them are stronger than a Prime Yoda 😂…NONE OF THEM 😂

[@DLR1997]

Hush

[@fdjtron1732]

Some of them are: Kyle Katarn, Kyp Durron, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo possibly a few more