Why Madara VS Sukuna Is EXTREMELY unfair.

[@Tempest1018]

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[@bluejay.27]

Happy new year! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@greatminikwu9089]

Kinda bummed you didn’t include the domain expansion in the vidoe ? But I gives it wouldn’t change the outcome next pls do shigaraki vs sukkuna 😅tahts way more fair

[@Isaac-yr1re]

Bruh Seth already made this video

[@SIeepingLeaf]

@@Isaac-yr1relil bro tempest has been making this video for months

[@Demiurgos001]

Do Raiden Ei vs Gojo

[@DeussEx]

The fact that people put Sukuna against Madara shows that they are suffering from extreme recency bias.

[@lolkollkj]

These Naruto wankers think naruto characters like tobirama would solo jjk it ain’t recency biased it’s more fanboy biased from naruto

[@marvelmaniacs1]

Honestly, I don't even think it's recency bias. I just think a lot of people hype up. Sukana due to his statement of cutting the world, I've literally guidance arguments with people aka JJK fans who don't know how to scale trying to claim that he's planetary or universal or that he can cut through existence itself because of that😂

[@ClairvoyantDreams358]

Ong

[@vegetacultminorityhunter]

People take the black hole feat as large planetary. Despite nobody scaling to it 😭 (Yuki died from using it and kenjaku nearly died from a nerfed version of a black hole)

[@lolkollkj]

@@marvelmaniacs1 bruh it’s not even that it’s just the naruto bias please look over how both teams work and you’ll see why this fight is closer than you think

[@mooneater2948]

I’m so tired of people wanking Sukuna vs other verse and especially vs Madara. Sukuna’s Hax would be effective… if they were even remotely on the same speed/AP tier

[@lolkollkj]

They are 😑

[@alexproctor524]

@@lolkollkjnot

[@lolkollkj]

@@alexproctor524 but they are actually underrated

[@cov-hx5ok]

Sukuna washes

[@blessinganwana9854]

​@@cov-hx5okwash's who

[@felon7682]

Pain Vs Sukuana would of been a much more fair fight

[@MrMan2006]

not rlly

[@Yami_Soryu]

It's closer yeah but Pain still slaughters

[@cov-hx5ok]

Sukuna washes that purple eyed bundle of sticks

[@dracobushe5920]

@@cov-hx5okdickrider

[@pacmiller7564]

​@@cov-hx5ok😂sure buddy

[@Black_Dragon_Official_Channel]

Madara one shots, thank God they're still sane people in this world

[@jack_bright7709]

he's not right tho

[@MagicianSama]

@@jack_bright7709how come?? Any version of Madara washes JJK

[@theneverwhere6076]

@@MagicianSama If a single hollow purple lands on Madara he's not coming back even with edo tensei.

[@lancebigraga]

​@@theneverwhere6076as if a hollow purple is faster than Edo madara

[@theneverwhere6076]

@@lancebigraga Considering he's comparable to Obito who was scared of Itachi who barely evaded lightning - it pretty much blitzes Madara yes.

[@OldFolkz]

Funny thing about Madara's regeneration is after absorbing the god tree he actually boast about how he just achieved immortality while telling naruto he can't win. So sukuna literally has 0 win conditions.

[@Churd_]

“You almost killed me, you bastard” -madara after getting kicked really fucking hard

[@OldFolkz]

@Churd_ and madara is leaned against the god tree while saying that.. my comment literally says AFTER absorbing the god tree.

[@saviour4923]

@@Churd_ that was madara BEFORE he absorbed the god tree. Its sad how your brain neurons just lost the ability to read and comprehend stuff lmfao

[@OnlyPixelOne]

​@@Churd_ that was a metaphorical phrase. Madara would have regenerated instantly back anyways. He did so to express just how impressive Might Guy's attack were

[@AFed69]

​@@Churd_Madara then gets sliced in half and survived immediately after

[@Horey.Customs.12]

Madara one shots maharaga. After he gets bored of dancing 😂😂

[@TaylorONEism93]

Massive copium

[@TheManUnderTheSun]

​@@TaylorONEism93wym cope? It's true

[@TaylorONEism93]

@@TheManUnderTheSun lmao I’m trolling

[@ExitScam]

Haha. JJK fandom is hilarious. What will they say next? Sukuna can beat Aizen 💀💀💀💀

[@pacmiller7564]

😂I'm sure there some jjk fans out there who think he beats Aizen.

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

I mean, some people think Sukuna can beat Gilgamesh lmfao

[@ThierryHenry427]

​@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234WTF 😂

[@Otaku_Amuno]

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234that’s a whole another level of meatriding

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

@@Otaku_Amuno There’s some really crazy fans out there. And the only way Madara would loose to Sukuna is if he’d just stand there and let himself get hit on purpose. Which is something he won’t do.

[@nebulus48]

Sukuna is a Deku Victim, don't put him and Madara in the same sentence 💀

[@ZT_Flow6]

Thank god nobody was stubborn enough to disagree

[@ClanceyJoveda]

I swear bro, JJK has the most insane fanbase ever I've seen people say "20 Finger Sukuna no diffs MUI Goku" Or "Gojo washes Ichigo" Like, I havent watched both bleach & dragon ball, but I know for a fact that Ichigo & Goku wash the whole JJK verse💀

[@cotilianysuna9689]

I'm not kidding when I say that Ichigo in his weakest Bankai forms probably completely washes the JJK verse. It's stupid just how powerful Ichigo is already by that point.

[@aryanbhattacharya4238]

damn fr? you should try those animes

[@alexproctor524]

Everybody in here writing full paragraphs but I just want to know what sukunas gonna do with the second meteor. And that whole rinnegan ability that lets you literally rip out people’s souls lmao I just don’t see this going sukunas way against a fully grown madara at all and sukunas my favorite new gen villain

[@obsidianquill7949]

Man what sukuna going to do with the first one? Lmao it took 2 kage working together to stop it.

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

Then there’s limbo clones. Sukuna would have no way to see nor sense the limbo clones. And the “world cutting slash” hasn’t been stated to cut multiple dimensions. Limbo clones supposedly have sussanoos as well. So Mahoraga and Sukuna might just get randomly one shotted in the middle of the fight.

[@alexproctor524]

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234 madara already has the jjk secret move on lock lmao, domain expansion: majestic attire beat down

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

@@alexproctor524 and people seem to think that Madara is an imbecile that will just stand there and let Sukuna hit him

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

4:27 We only see Hakari move after the bolt has already hit him and disappeared meaning he's not moving in the same timeframe and wouldn't scale in speed. Arguing he must've moved because the bolt was going towards his head acts like electricity moves in a straight line when it doesn't and arcs to whatever path is the easiest. Because he did get hit in the shoulder therefore the path to his shoulder was easier than the path to his face.

[@thatguy779]

I'm personally of the opinion that Mahoraga just wouldn't be able to handle a lot of stronger verses like upper-tier naruto characters not just because of how vast their arsenals go, but by the sheer gap in physical scale in terms of damage that can be dealt. Given how Sukuna was still able to force Mahoraga to heal despite how long it would have been adapting to cleave & dismantle, I could see Madara in that same scenario possibly bullying it until it just runs out of cursed energy- as it's never stated to have anything near Rika's "limitless cursed energy". It would be pretty hilarious to see Mahoraga just run out of juice

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

or the limbo clones just jumping Mahoraga with invisible sussanos lol

[@thatguy779]

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234 Oshit I forgot about the limbo clones entirely

[@shido_rimru_]

​@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234bro even one pice characters stomp jjk lol

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

No those fodder ain't even city level ​@@shido_rimru_

[@TheologicalRezi]

​@@shido_rimru_ no they can't lmao☠️

[@zulaikdulfiqar5256]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🤖 *Introduction and sponsor* - Introduces the topic of Madara vs Sukuna and promotes the sponsor anime Express 01:07 🛡️ *Distinguishing Sukuna versions* - Important to distinguish between finger-restricted Sukuna and full power Sukuna - AP and speed matter against Sukuna unlike Gojo - Sukuna scales above disaster curses in AP 03:11 ⚔️ *Sukuna's abilities* - Dismantle and Cleave slash attacks - Malevolent Shrine domain spams slash attacks - Supersonic+ speed scaling from other sorcerers 05:33 🦊 *Madara's abilities* - Contended Ninetails, fought Hashirama - Gained Rinnegan, revived and absorbed Hashirama's power - Dropped meteorites in Six Paths form - At least multi-continental AP 07:40 💨 *Speed and hax advantage* - Madara has clear speed advantage - Light Fang attack, Naruto light speed consistent - Existence erasure won't work, Madara regenerates 09:18 🎭 *10 Shadows Sukuna* - Gained Mahoraga shikigami, adapts and negates curses - Still gets one-shot by Madara - Genjutsu ineffective against soul swap 10:29 🏆 *Conclusion* - Madara speed blitzes and one-shots - Reiterates subscribe reminder Made with HARPA AI

[@XKIRA376]

Marara really being put at such a level where people believe sukuna could win LOL. W vid

[@MN-vw3rp]

Poeple still not taking into account that madara wasn't even fighting seriously, he was just checkin his objective boxes to complete his goal effortlessly then got backstabbed by spirit of a god so she could reincarnate, bro if he was fighting seriously he's far far more than a planetary threat, he was just chilling not even fighting the whole time

[@cosmictoon3975]

Seth did a pretty good job on this. I agree with y’all’s takes on this. Speaking of which this needs to be a Death Battle with epic animation. For entertainment purposes.

[@KeyThaOne]

Seth did an awful job on this, he wanked the fuck out of sukuna nd lowballed the fuck out of Madara

[@Dylan-qj8gj]

seth the pedo?

[@john_the_masochist2564]

Nah. That Seth video was booty crumbs. They sucked sukunas dick so hard, most of his feats were completely overestimated to the point they made shit up for some. Then, they didn't mention half of what madara has done.

[@yashkambli5208]

Only for them to make Sukuna win cuz Mahoraga can Adapt to anything and Sukuna survived Matter Erasure . DeathBattles don't know how to scale .

[@cosmictoon3975]

@@yashkambli5208 sure but I’d like to watch the fight regardless. Their animations lately have been amazing! I watch Death Battle for a good time.

[@Skinny_CJ]

Putting Madara against SUKUNA is just completely disrespecting Madara and his strength

[@KomiSenpai_]

Tempest, 65$ for a hoodie is NOT a low price

[@Tempest1018]

Chill on me😭🙏🏾 use the my discount mane😭

[@cjcj4861]

​@@Tempest1018no sakuna from jjk destroys Madara Uchiha no matter what you say it still won't change the fact the dude literally Cuts existence in half cut through fucking Infinity if you don't know what that means so no matter Madara Uchiha is not going to win

[@denjiurameshi4699]

@@cjcj4861Great bait just stop bro...

[@cjcj4861]

​@@Tempest1018no Madara Uchiha does not one shot no damn of sakuna from jjk where do I get that shit from you literally smoking crack in terms of techniques madara is going to get destroyed Case Closed your scaling your BS is irrelevant I'm using logical facts and Common Sense will tell you straight to your face the answer is no Naruto characters won't be able to deal with that kind of power Point Blank fucking period

[@aafronteras]

cant stop the fact that Madara blitzes lmao@@cjcj4861

[@MegaMachiOnline]

Considering characters use curse energy to fight Maharoga but he never adapts to it but the application of it, I can picture characters just trying to hit him harder (in more verses with baked in power creep/growth) to force refined adaptations For example heating up air to a certain point strays from fire and becomes something else, but verses have different kinds of fire. Would him adapting to a normal fire or a special fire cover the difference between both and the intensity/level they burns if someone more powerful performs the same move? It feels a bit weird to say the adaptation is absolute and limitless otherwise you’d think it’d be able to fight anyone with a way to avoid getting one-shot (to continue adapting) apart from regeneration.

[@onyx6774]

I think its weird scaling jjk characters with their domains, i think its just a hax ability to be honest. If that is the case then Dagon is stronger than Jogo since he created an entire island, but we clearly know that is not the case. i wont consider them. which just makes it worse for sukuna. LOL I always Thought compare them to their domains was kinda weird.

[@bitviper3430]

Yeah especially since they are not necessarily real. People like Toji and Maki have to allow themselves to be effected by the domain

[@wswann34]

Yeah, they are clearly not making a island because outside of it is jus a small ball. JJK was not meant to be scaled high but JJK fans are jus relentless

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@wswann34 The inside is island sized regardless.

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

​@@bitviper3430 they are seperate space time 💀 also they are real

[@itssome_gent1311]

The domains r completely real inside and r created pretty much instantly and it would be useless to create something that would apply to ur AP inside of it. Example: i use 3/4 of my power to make a gun but my punches do more damage. Not practical. Creating a space doesn't necessarily mean u r above some1 else but it means that u r at the lvl required to create it hense Dagon's Island. Jogo is straight up stated to be above Dagon despite only creating a mountain.

[@awakening3940]

Honestly i think Meruem needs to be talked about more even tho we dont have much feats from him it would still be intersting to see how meruem would fair against other verses

[@sixpathskaiokentv]

I'm gonna be dropping a Warhammer 40k (Astartes Deathwatch Kill-Team) vs Chimera Ants (Including Meruem) vid down the line. Busy with anotber project atm though

[@darthchungus9964]

​@@sixpathskaiokentvif the kill team has a space marine psyker then ez other than that it just depends on their loadout

[@ethan1441]

@@sixpathskaiokentvif there’s a decent psyker it’s a major rip for the ants.

[@sixpathskaiokentv]

@@ethan1441 yeah I've since thoought about the matchup more, and decided there's too many variables. I'm likely going to do Ephrael Stern vs Post Rose Meruem instead.

[@d.r.8320]

Thank you for putting some respect on Warring states Madara.🙏🏽

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

Nobody: Dude I'm strong I can beat this Madara dude Madara: *1 shots with limbo* Ok man

[@Netfilx_1101]

i might get hate, but this is literally the most glazed villain of today vs the most glazed villain in all of history

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Nah that’s aizen

[@FrancisPauloDiola]

Sukuna would not stand a chance against Madara , Madara is different level compared to Sukuna

[@apocrypha5062]

Can you do this matchup idea analysis? 1. Higurama vs Damnatio (⚖️ vs⚖️) *a Lawyer vs a Judge 2. Jugram vs Damnatio (⚖️vs⚖️) *a Sternritter vs a Paladin 3. Jugram vs Damnatio vs Higurama (⚖️ vs ⚖️ vs ⚖️)

[@ChristianMartinez-gb2wj]

I didn’t even know this was a hot topic until Seth’s video on it that came out yesterday

[@OJBA]

could you do gojo vs deku or all might vs gojo?

[@amorishere]

W i love you tempest could you do Boruto vs Asta next

[@sageoverheaven]

3:54 You lost me at "3D space". As per Minkowski's space-time model, which is what is applied in JJK via general relativity/ special relativity/ Gojo's technique employing metric tensors as per the Jump GIGA 2021 explanation, Space-time is the fourth dimension. Space-time is what the limitless harnesses-in the JJK0 movie, Gojo's technique is explained by Miguel as the manipulation of space-time on an atomic level. There is no such thing as "3D space"-the three dimensions are the three axes of distance (x-axis, y-axis, z-axis-length, breadth, height of a cube for e.g.). If he was cutting the third dimension, he would have literally infinite AP with his Strong Cleave™, because Gojo's technique brings an infinite distance in these axes into reality. Bypassing that is cutting the space-time fabric/ cutting through the fourth dimension. Nothing in Naruto has shown the kind of durability required to tank this attack. Madara still has a massive stat advantage (being in the upper planetary/ multi-planetary ranges + FTL ranges if you give him Six Paths), but that attack is straight up oneshotting him if it's landed successfully.

[@kingmaou4690]

😂 lol tojo hit by it still had have his body, Madera having half his body gone was able to heal like its nothing. And also even sukuna was able to tank it with some damage, it just goes to show its not as strong as you imagine it to be. Even the author of jjk said it was kinda of a mistake for him to have Maki speed feat with the bullet.

[@sageoverheaven]

@@kingmaou4690 He never said it was a mistake. He said "you're probably thinking "going from 'mach' to 'infinite' is really stupid"... and you're right." Meaning he acknowledged power cliffing. Also, unsure when this became Toji vs Madara. Also unsure what you're talking about, because I never brought up Hollow Purple.

[@kingmaou4690]

@sageoverheaven he also talked about the gun feat being too much at that point. Also the wc wouldn't be able to kill madara and he can dodge it.

[@sageoverheaven]

@@kingmaou4690 He can't even perceive it lol. It's basically Sukuna's version of Limbo, with the only people to perceive them being Makora post adaptation and Sukuna himself. And yes, he talked about the gun feat being too much for pre-awakening Maki. JJK powercliffs after her *second* awakening.

[@sixpathskaiokentv]

Great vid Temp.

[@jkunimage4187]

Like. I don’t like to say wank cuz sometimes I think it’s just a term for people who use a higher meta. But a lot of people like to give sukuna the best interpretation just because if they don’t sukunda gets washed. Like how many times do I have to hear planet level sukuna is valid because it’s on the back of the jjk manga? Like if they give madara the highest interpretation as well then I don’t mind, but people just low ball him and give him the lowest possible scaling ever. Like guys. Madara is at least moon level

[@kingmaou4690]

Taking domain as your level is wrong. its not about how strong they are but its basically a hax that gives them an advantage saying dagon island level because of domain is like saying gojo is galaxy or higher because of his domain..Domain should not be counted like that but as hax. If highballed jjk top characters can be island but definitely not because of dagon domain comparisons. Most of the strongest are are city lvl.

[@Luvs0nny]

Take a shot for how many times tempest says the word contentious in his videos

[@Tempest1018]

Its like 9 or 10

[@fardin_king6817]

The thing with speed in JJK can he hard to scale but going by how Lightning speed attacks have a guaranteed hit or at least had before time skip it is possible that the top tiers have reaction time faster than Lightning at least but movement speed is debatable. Hakari did move his head but he wasn't fast enough to dodge it completely. As for Kashimo's transformation, it is said that his speed was increased due to increased brain activity not that he himself was moving as fast as his attacks or launching them at those speeds, so Sukuna dodging his attacks was makes him faster than Kashimo's movement speed and activation of his attacks not Light itself.

[@JARMIDz]

Madara wouldn't be able to regenerate from the infinity cut. Gojo was just regenerating everything sukuna threw at him, until sukuna hit him with the infinity cut, which gojo couldn't regenerate from. It's unclear why gojo couldn't regen from it, but it's speculated that it slashed away at his soul. In jjk you can regen from everything, accept if you get your head chopped off. Madara still salms though lol

[@KeyThaOne]

Headcanon

[@amogus1415]

Cause jjk regen is dogshit and stops the instant your brain is damaged💀💀

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

Juubidra was flying around with half of his body missing and regenerated. He also lost half of his body due to Guy’s reality bending kicks. Madara is definitely regenerating from that.

[@VeidoRPT]

tbh pretty sure you can't regenerate your head or stomach getting cut off because CE originates from the stomach and gojo was cut in half from the stomach

[@VeidoRPT]

don't take my word for it tho i just watch the anime 😭

[@MaximumValue-y3f]

Respect you are a true Naruto fan

[@swagssj3]

Why do ppl never take gojo hollow purple as a light speed feat? It was stated to be an imaginary mass, which just means it forcefully travels at light speed, which he can do it up to 200%, so 2x faster than light, that's what i use to scale their speed

[@chance2110]

There’s more than one type of imaginary mass than tachyons. Tachyons being the only one that moves faster than light. Personally I give Gojo the ftl feat with hollow purple because in matches with some verses it doesn’t make a difference. Either he was already going to win or it’s still too slow.

[@swagssj3]

@chance2110 I actually didn't think about that. lol thx

[@chance2110]

@@swagssj3 Np, I like answering questions like this to clear up common misconceptions.

[@Prodigal450]

​@@chance2110let me get this straight. HP is ftl? Then that means that Sukuna is faster than HP? I mean he did sense it and managed to tank it at the last second so...

[@chance2110]

@@Prodigal450 I said I personally give it that ftl feat because it normally doesn’t matter in the vsbattles I care for. The interpretation is there, but it’s more than likely that wasn’t the author’s intention. It’s been stated Gege takes more liberal approaches with math than objective analysis. Sukuna is already up to ftl because of the Kashimo feat.

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

Bro Corrected Seths Wank/Copium

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

Seth literally said 3 interpretation of sukuna low ball mid ball true version, high ball

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN the apparent mid ball or true version is highballing Sukuna stops at city lvl-country Seth was wanking sukuna Deku is enough to slam sukuna let alone madara

[@somerandomperson5473]

​@@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv don't forget seth was nerfing madara HARD and didn't even talk about madaras broken abilities like limbo. Didn't he delete that video or something?

[@MrMan2006]

Sukuna slams so bad (im retarded and dyslexic btw) 😭

[@masonmcfadden4886]

Well at least you know who you are 💀

[@DaBossMn]

Don’t worry. We know the JJK fans got you at gunpoint💀

[@lolkollkj]

Naruto d riders arguments “jjk fanboys am I right and jjk fanboys held you at gun point 🤓👆”

[@DaBossMn]

@@lolkollkj ☝️🤓

[@lolkollkj]

@@DaBossMn 🤡👆

[@kingmaou4690]

The speed and strength+durability+hax that can one tap sukuna.. difference is wayyyy too wide.

[@ningnings_randomworld]

Why is this matchup everywhere tf?

[@MrMan2006]

sm people got it wrong, and somebody had to get it right.

[@chancerichards9176]

Very close fight 👏 I honestly don't know who wins this, but it seems you might be overlooking some details in this battle. Madara is faster and stronger with high-tier genjutsu and Hashirama's cells, but Sukuna from 1000 years ago, along with all the ten shadows, could take a nigga out. Hear me out, Sukuna's domain expansion involves low-tier reality warping, dismantling and cleaving until nothing is left, even bypassing Gojo's infinite space. Now whether Sukuna negated Gojo or did the impossible is debatable. Sukuna possesses Mahoraga and his sacred treasure, making him adaptable. While Madara could take over Mahoraga, it's the body, not the power, and both Sukuna and Mahoraga would likely adapt to any genjutsu thrown their way once the Chakra Wheel spins. That's if they survive long enough, and as we know, Sukuna is a genius in curse manipulation and can use reverse curse energies to heal himself, heal others, boost your strengths and speeds, and can kill positive curse energies. If anyone doesn't know what curse energies are it's in everyone like Chakra, it derives from emotions. So how does sukuna one shot Madara with Susanoo? The world dismantle or "The cleve that could cut the world." Although theoretical and just rumors, supposedly a full power Sukuna could do it. What other powers does Sukuna have? Fuga or "open," Electricity, cursed invocation, chants, etc... I still got Madara for his vast amount of knowledge over jutsu and the Mangekyo Sharingan as an occular power itself, but there are ways Sukuna could get the dub. Madara very hard diff~ almost dies, loses both his eyes and uses the Izanagi and is left paralyzed by the end of the fight.

[@cov-hx5ok]

It’s not close sukuna cleaves his head off

[@jayarts2476]

Obviously everyone thought about this. You’re seriously overlooking Madara’s durability and his eyes that WILL perceive the slashes. I mean people in jjk was able to also. He will have an answer to his domain as people have already explained it. Them slashes is just not enough sadly

[@abp_gvo_2275]

WHAT IS CHAKRA WHEEL?

[@vuyanitause6534]

​@@cov-hx5okhe's too slow. Madara speed blitzes

[@chancerichards9176]

@@abp_gvo_2275 The dharma Chakra Wheel is 1/10 sacred treasure, its what's on Mahraga head that spins. Sukuna can also equipped it to him, but that's not what makes 1000 year Sukuna scary. It's the other two he has rn in the manga, but supposedly at one point he has the "Yatsuka no Tsunugi" or "The Eight Handed Long Sword, Divinity Yatsuka." Which could Slay Budda.... in different mythologies. But what he has rn in the manga is enough sacred treasure to take Madara out. The treasures were used to kill High teir demons like the Biblical "Lucifer Morningstar's own fallen general" like the Archangel Rel. I'm not joking, lol, cool little fact.

[@brunonascimentocoelho2427]

Mahoraga CAN adapt to anything even to Goku (if he doesnt go FP from the start), the problem is that it takes a lot of time

[@uzookafor8721]

Capppppp,he can't adapt to Goku even while suppressed, take it easy man.broly is even far better in reactive adaptation

[@wswann34]

@@uzookafor8721 good point, broly is basically a dragon ball mahoraga

[@shido_rimru_]

This gotta be the dumbest comment I seen on this video he not adapting to goku at all lol

[@uzookafor8721]

@@shido_rimru_ you are right 😂😂😂

[@uzookafor8721]

@exylx what

[@tsukune2910]

I really don’t think sukuna beats Kakazu realistically. He has win cons but he can’t really spam his space slash.

[@obsidianquill7949]

Sukuna doesn’t have win cons since kakazu easily tanks it with his RAW DURABILITY.

[@tsukune2910]

@@obsidianquill7949 funny enough yes he tanks his normal slashes lmao

[@sixpathskaiokentv]

​@@obsidianquill7949 was looking for the Kakazu meme haha

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

​@@obsidianquill7949 against space slash he getting one shotted

[@obsidianquill7949]

@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN I’m going to assume you don’t get the meme so I’ll explain it to you. I forgot who but there’s this crazy redditor who unironically thinks kakazu is the strongest akatsuki member and he was being so annoying about it people turned it into a meme. One of the redditors more absurd arguments is that kakazu simply has better raw durability so that became the face of the meme.

[@Nemesis_Prime_Editz]

Ok the vid was great but...if it's any version of madara before edo tensei sukuna has capability to one shot by simply severing his head, not saying it would be easy but doable. Edo tensei + sukunas only win is to simply atomize him with domain expansion cause if we learned anything from mahoraga and cell a guy with super regen need to be atomized to negate the regen and yes his domain cand do that as we saw in the anime with the shibuya incident where thousand dies to it. So madara clears most of the time

[@marcpitt1147]

Nah, he can’t Madara probably uses susano and izanagi,in the manga that mentioned if somebody trains he/she’s shranigan to perfection he/she can predict opponent’s movments from little muscle movment (lam sorry for lacking english it’s my third lananguge)

[@TheGoat23871]

Temptest can you make a video scaleing the beyblade metal fusion verse please

[@cov-hx5ok]

No that shits ass

[@ChrisMALUKAI]

So basically, it depends on which forms of Madara and Sukuna we're talking. though I gotta admit the genjutsu/sharingan is OP

[@youssefibrahim5496]

w vid as usual and alive madara one taps

[@globalphantom6928]

I’m just trying to imagine sukuna dropping a domain and then bam perfect susano

[@MadaraUchiha-mk3du]

My edo tensie form is indestructible

[@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch]

Ayoooooo monday jobber and goons : sukuna stomp Yesterday seth : madara hightdiff Today tempest : madara stomp

[@XKIRA376]

Fr😂 the madara downplay was wild tho he stomps

[@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch]

​@@XKIRA376 Seth and jobber didnt downplay him they wank sukuna

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

Seth didn’t even say that though he said it’s based off of 3 interpretations of JJK Lowball JJK (I think it’s just more modest interpretation): Sukuna would struggle against the Gokage INDIVIDUALLY and would lose that 5v1 Mid ball or fair and most reasonable interpretation: Sukuna at peak should be ahead of the Gokage individually but any form of Madara we can scale as an adult slams no diff High ball which after watching the whole video was some of the biggest JJK wank there is (they did it on purpose of course to see the highest interpretation almost on a Naruto is universal type) and he said Sukuna could get close but probably loses to Six Path Madara which the interpretation was including Sukuna having planetary AP and FTL+ to INFINITE speed. Me personally, I think the Gokage could beat him in a 5v1 and maybe even individually since they’d be significantly faster (the JJK speed arguments are pretty bad almost as bad as the Yuki black hole interpretation).

[@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch]

@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 yes i know but i took the wank as hes anwser

[@cov-hx5ok]

Reality : sukuna stomp

[@NinoInTheComments]

What is even the angle for Sukuna beating Madara? Like is it literally just world slash attack potency or people think RCT would grant him immortality against a shinobi? Edit: Even if Sukuna somehow WINS and is enjoying his victory with Uraume eating grapes an shit.. time release izanagi would save Madara, there is NO victory for Sukuna here lmao

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

Lemme save you guys some time Madara Gaps the verse No concept of difficulty.

[@pacmiller7564]

Big fact's

[@RobertFierce]

Madara completely shits on Sukuna on every level. It's not even a fair fight lol

[@wolf_dragon_aa8037]

Yeah let us just see if Sukuna(suk un deez nuts!!!)would be able to survive a touch from Madara's Truth Seeking Orbs,he would immediately get disintegrated.

[@nirbanjyotidas5828]

You are taking 9 tail plant destroying statement but didn't even take the statement where gage says sukuna can destroy the earth....you people are really downplaying jjk verse

[@danielgedeon6454]

Bc its not consistant at all, Kuramas statement is supported when he actually scales to characters like Juubi who are planet lvl to planet lvl+ at least while not even at full power, the JJK verse is weak and not even country lvl thats a fact,base Madara decimates

[@obsidianquill7949]

The problem is sukuna has never shown anything close to island level while kurama can easily shoot bijuu bombs that eclipse cities.

[@Nurrlmao]

I mean the nine tails has tons of statements such as these and characters who scale ~ to him or below him, where as sukuna's best feats are like island level, and its just on the back meant to hype up the series, one has other statements and calcs that back it up more where as the other has nothing backing it

[@swifty4975]

Keep up the grind lil guy.

[@Apex-edit-z]

Sukuna: how does it feel to be in the face of death Madara: very funny *Bitch slaps*

[@Amoeby]

Sukuna: Ah, my Anti-Susanoo techni... Argh-ahh💀 Madara: Wake up to reality🗿

[@vongolatx4828]

"ending this debate once and for all" ahh post 💀

[@muneerthepioneer6306]

no way people in comments are getting worked up over which 2 FICTIONAL characters would win in a fight 🤣

[@OtsutsukiMelvyn]

The jjk verse are island lvl fodder I'm tierd of people comparing them to any anime in the big 3 like being realistic kcm2 naruto can solo the verse dressrosa luffy with g4 can and soul society ichigo with banki and white will individually one shot everyone

[@gridhunter8592]

Hows this for a verses topic sukuna vs merum vs kars vs muzan, thoughts

[@jack_bright7709]

Nah I'd win in chapter yare yare Gojo was said to power a whole country just by his own energy and also for a lifetime so japan 3.3 petajoules or 3.310^18 joules of energy which will be mountain to large mountain level, Going by todo one can use cursed energy to amp his states plus nanami statement for Gojo throwing tough punches casually we can say that Gojo can utilize full extent of said joules or some amount like 10% in the fight with sukuna Gojo throws a Black flash which amp is 2.5 in power using all this stuff now using only 10% of said energy will give a Black flash of 6.25^ 43 joules or large star level Going by full 18 then it will come 1.9710^46 joules or solar system level and sukuna would scale to this or a little lower And Google this called "how Big a Black hole needs to be to destroy earth" cuz a Black hole size of 1mm can destroy the entire world (we know that Yuki's black hole is a lot more bigger than this) the energy required to make said Black hole and the fact that kenjaku withstood the Black hole and tengen barriers were capable of containing said Black hole and that sukuna can literally one shot kenjaku even though he's able to withstand that Black hole in the Back cover of the jjk manga it said that sukuna's body parts can destroy the world sooo yeah that's my argument for sukuna being above planet level for speed FTL cuz kashimo CT exist (i seen some people scale this to FTL+) for that Regeneration BS sukuna can damage mahito and we know that the only way to damage mahito is to damage his soul so yeah that Regeneration ain't going to do anything also happy new year

[@jack_bright7709]

if you disagree than we can debate it rn

[@atlanticlava9623]

Firstly. You’d be asserting that gojo scales above Yuki individually which means she scales above her CT which there is no evidence for as tempest said in the video. Scaling above Yuki doesnt mean you scale above her CT kenjaku confirms this by saying he would’ve died along with the world if her will and tengen weren’t suppressing it even tho he was bullying her the whole fight. Secondly just because sukuna can attack the soul doesn’t mean every single attack he has can again thats an association fallacy. Madara can negate the truth seeker orbs and has things like the soul dragon. Spiritual attacks wouldn’t matter to madara. Also the sukunas fingers being able to destroy the earth is literally an outlier. And more akin to him destroying humanity and not the actual earth itself. His best attack literally cuts someone in half and obviously not the universe as tempest said. All the yuki feat is, is a clear outlier. Even the statements such as “special grade sorcerers should be able to overthrow a country” is again in reference to taking it over and not necessarily being able to destroy a country. Stop wanking and watch the video.

[@Nine22.-21]

@@jack_bright7709😈Join the server

[@voidtempering8700]

​@@jack_bright7709I would say the first issue is how to apply the ^2.5. Because if you, say strike with 2 romnatons, and then square it, despite it being a far higher value than the joules, the black flash would be weaker. So does it make sense to use the value in joules or tons of TNT, or does cursed energy in verse have an entirely separate measurement of energy?

[@True123.54]

@@jack_bright7709 Firstly. You’d be asserting that gojo scales above Yuki individually which means she scales above her CT which there is no evidence for as tempest said in the video. Scaling above Yuki doesnt mean you scale above her CT kenjaku confirms this by saying he would’ve died along with the world if her will and tengen weren’t suppressing it even tho he was bullying her the whole fight. Secondly just because sukuna can attack the soul doesn’t mean every single attack he has can again thats an association fallacy. Madara can negate the truth seeker orbs and has things like the soul dragon. Spiritual attacks wouldn’t matter to madara. Also the sukunas fingers being able to destroy the earth is literally an outlier. And more akin to him destroying humanity and not the actual earth itself. His best attack literally cuts someone in half and obviously not the universe as tempest said. All the yuki feat is, is a clear outlier. Even the statements such as “special grade sorcerers should be able to overthrow a country” is again in reference to taking it over and not necessarily being able to destroy a country. Stop wanking and watch the video.

[@ryanfernando7033]

You can't put a ghost in a genjutsu,that only applies in the living,sukuna is a curse,his not a human like everyone else,unless you have a domain expansion,but you can't trick a ghost.😊

[@byejaye]

I can imagine sukunas face when madara just regenerates and the whips out a susanoo. How is going to block the statue of liberty let alone a blade the size of a couple city blocks. He didnt drop the meteors yet either

[@King_Of_Clubz]

Another thing to consider.. Sukuna can sense those with Cursed Energy right? Madara doesn't operate off that resource. So what are the chances that Sukuna can't sense Chakra...???

[@AaronRocha-bq9oz]

Late comment but in verse battles there is something called verse equalization

[@emmanthegoat]

You can’t forget about the sharingan he see the slashes in domain expansion

[@Fudo124]

Those bleach fan and naruto fan think that they can beat goku 💀

[@jadopgurumayum9410]

Goku is not a human no human could fly

[@akmobileplayz2240]

literally nobody said that here

[@diegogrunt6758]

If we are talking about Sukuna vs base madara, then is extremely unfair to madara, he is just a low superhuman with great hacks. But, if we are talking about madara six paths, then is extremely unfair to Sukuna. No matter how you see it, is extremely infair to both of them

[@ethan1441]

The only madara sukuna beats is madara when he was first alive. Any other Madara is just way stronger.

[@diegogrunt6758]

@@ethan1441 well, if you are talking about Madara immortal then you are right, Sukuna can’t beat him, but neither Madara inmortal. Only madara six paths Can defeat Sukuna (and with ease considering he is light speed)

[@ethan1441]

@@diegogrunt6758 I’d argue edo tensei madara could win due to the bullshit that the rinnegan has but also it being a stalemate is pretty likely. I’m iffy on rinnetensei madara because he is stronger than edo tensei because the edo tensei weakens the target. But he also loses his immortality.

[@diegogrunt6758]

@@ethan1441 at least we Can agree when that madara goes to Max version, Sukuna has no chance

[@ethan1441]

@@diegogrunt6758 yep. He gets absolutely fucked by 10 tails madara.

[@jordandavilabrown294]

I have a couple of arguments that I believe can support Sukuna's strength and speed, that said it's entirely up to you if you want to believe it or not. 1. In JJK 0 Geto took a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the disaster curses who have displayed feats of small city level or higher but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high ball levels of scaling, also black flash raises the power of a strike to the power of 2.5 thus this will help our scaling. (The number of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI) Small town level 4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level. Town level 2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level. Large town level 4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level. Keep in mind that Kenjaku was saved by Sukuna who effortlessly blocked a punch from Gojo that was going to kill Kenjaku in one blow, and Kenjaku using Geto's body as a vessel around that time 2. Now there is a higher end scaling for Sukuna's combat speed through Gojo's teleportation. Base off the original japanese text from JJK which is (瞬間移​​動/Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat and Sukuna has been shown to being able to keep up with him in combat which saids a lot about his speed. So if we do go off of this then this means Sukuna would be able to kill Madara pretty easily.

[@Gojoover-_-]

I’m a massive jjk fan and glazer, but why tf would you try to pin sukuna against a planetary powerhouse like madara

[@Knights_and_gnomes_are_good]

idk why but madara vs sukuna is just such a sick concept (even tho it would be shorter than my c-) i love both but madara is better

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

I would give Sukuna planetary levels of power, Kenjaku while very tired, and caught off guard didn't just have the durability to withstand being inside of a planetary black hole, but he was able to produce enough CE to create enough anti-gravity to cancel out the black hole. Kenjaku is nothing compared to Gojo, who has half the CE of Yuta, who has half the CE of Sukuna. That's without mentioning CE output.

[@TheManUnderTheSun]

He's not planetary, anybody can react to a black hole being made in front of them. Kenjaku used a CT aka antigravity to match the CE output of the black hole. Without tengens barriers and yukis willpower, then the entire planet would've been destroyed.

[@samirm9097]

so would sukuna want madara with susanoo or no?

[@WhshsNomas]

Well if he has his Mommy and Daddy then probably yes

[@death0freaper670]

The power scaling in Naruto is absolutely broken

[@securityagent5159]

Madara : Would You Like This Clones To Use Susano or not? The choice is yours (bro is literally spamming clones , Susano , That Big Rock Falling From Sky , Regeneration bro is literally immortal)

[@The.one-who.asked.]

Arguably madara can regenerate his soul after absorbing the god tree. We saw edo minato being unable to regenerste the soul damage done by juubito. Then naruto gets gugudamas aswell and juubidara still is confident in his immortality. Madara in return should also be able to either pull sukuna's soul out with the ningendp path or just use gugodamas (durability ignoring erasure, also ignoring soul durabilityby that logic since they interact with souls)

[@nxw-px2cg]

This ain't even a debate bro

[@Priyanka_007_]

Many jjk fans thinks that gojo can beat goku 😂😂

[@jkink6974]

Okay gotta debunk you. 1st jjk has a few light speed scaling. More than just the one Mach 3 statement. 2nd the slash works like kamui where it kinda sucks in space as said by the author. Space attacks work on madara. Also healing exsist in jjk and gojo couldn't heal the slash. 3rd if he uses in domain its ggs because the damage appears instantly before the attack does.

[@obsidianquill7949]

1. There is no speed feats or statements that put sukuna at lightspeed aside from the em wave feat (very shaky) or the prison realm statement (which doesn’t even work if you look even slightly deeper into it). 2. It won’t even touch madara ems madara is ftl+. 3. Gojos domain which I’m going to assume is similar in speed to malevolent shrine activates in 0.2 seconds which is child’s play for madara. Again ems madara alone is ftl+. Ems madara blitzes low diff, 1 rinnegan madara also blitzes low diff, juubi madara negs.

[@danielgedeon6454]

The worst debunk 1. Prove that JJK is even light SPEED, and the Kashimo feat isnt consistant at all.. 2. Also the slash doesnt work like Kamui, its far weaker, also Kamui rips THROUGH Space, it doesnt suck Space, Madara has already dealt with Space attacks.. Also thats an attempt to a NLF ? just bc weaker characters cant heal from his attacks doesnt mean Madara cant, especially if he scales far higher and that he Can also regenerate AT will.. 3. The domain isnt doing anything to base Edo Madara whos immortal and Can even regenerate from being completely vaporized, even then Madara Can dodge the domain in the first place since hes far faster than Sukuna and hé has précognition with his Sharingans, the strongest attack Sukuna has cant even damage Madara BC of the difference in scaling

[@jkink6974]

@danielgedeon6454 okay 1st off light speed is in jjk. Not only was the dodge light speed but so was the attack that blitzed someone made of ems waves .sukana scales above everyone. That includes kenjaku moving away from a black hole that light was visibly being sucked into. Gojo moving in no time. 2nd the space attack works on space ignoring durability. 3rd scaling above everyone means he scales above Yuta who was able to destroy the cursed inventory which is a 4d space. Easily scaling above madara. And again the domain is a sure hit effect. 4th maharaga can adapt to things like charaka letting sukana cut thru anything. As well as things like the perfect circle which has infinite mass . If lower characters can deal with that then obviously sukana scales above

[@kaimobley5324]

This isn't a debunk at all. • JJK yes has light speed scaling At Best but as the video creator mentioned Naruto as a verse is that at a minimum during the 4th Great Ninja War for High Mid tier Ninja like Darui. Madara would scale far above Sukuna in Speed as Ninja's like Tobirama who have instant teleportation admitted weren't on Madara's Level and a Edo Madara (who isn't at full strength stated by Hashirama himself) casually blocked a KCM2 Naruto attack which would bare minimum be 2x the Speed of Light as KCM1 blitzed the 4th Raikage. • Gojo never healed from a Spacial Slash but a Edo Madara or Jubidara would. But let's say we're using Madara during his Era and Madara when he fully Revives. I'd Argue the Sharingan let alone MS/EMS would be able to see Sukuna's Slash's as you mentioned it's a Spacial Attack and there are plenty of those going around in Naruto. I know for a Fact the Rinnegan can see it as it can see in different dimensions/plains of Existence. It also wouldn't be that hard to see with the Sharingan that Sukuna's Slash's are Dominantly and Heavily reliant on his movement (moving his fingers in a direction, kicking in a direction etc (Not including Malevolent Shrine)). Sasuke was able to pick up on Deidara's Hand Signals during the middle of their fight while not trying to go out all out and deduced his Jutsu was Earth Style. If Sasuke could do that in base Sharingan then Madara of all people would be able to deduce the same and strategize accordingly. He's already fast enough to dodge Sukuna and flat out Blitz him in Base so this wouldn't be an issue. • Whether we use any version of Madara from his Era or in the 4th Great Ninja War one thing is constantly shown and that's Durability. Madara's Durability should scale to his AP (same as Sukuna's) and we've seen weaker characters attacks do absolutely nothing to someone who is far superior to them. Guy took a Gentle Fist attack that bypasses physical durability from Neji and brushed it off (granted he was ready for it) and Juubidara took 2 hits from Naruto and Sasuke amped with Six Paths Power without even blocking and it did nothing. Madara already scales far above anything Sukuna has done (at the current moment) so we can reliably say Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine Slashes let alone Fuga Arrow won't actually do much to Madara. If he uses his Susano in any way that's definitely not doing anything. The Chakra from the Susano alone was enough to block an Attack from a KCM2 Naruto it's definitely going to protect him from Malevolent Shrine. Ribcage onwards is just unnecessary as it's adding extra layers of defense. You could argue Sukuna can combine his Spacial Slashes with his Domain but we don't know that for sure as of yet. If he can't Sukuna is still cooked, if he can then Sukuna finally has a win condition for Madara Era and Revived Madara if they can't get out of the Radius in Time which he very likely can. But let's say he can't... Izanagi for a reality Rewrite to finish Sukuna off. And arguably Madara could heal his eye afterwards as when he Awakened the Rinnegan his Eye Returned to normal thus showing the Rinnegan can override the effects of going blind from Izanagi and by extension Izanami after they're used if not all MS/EMS abilities that make the user go blind or flat out lose an eye "permanently".

[@cov-hx5ok]

@@kaimobley5324sukuna claps him

[@andrewsemerel5946]

I think dagon created more than a island. He created a tropical island. A tropical is a location.

[@ryanfernando7033]

I base their speed base on how fast they're being animated,the fight scene in naruto are just too slow for me, however in jjk they're pretty much show the speed and you decide,and that's how it should always been, perform and we'll see who's really faster, I don't believe in just words just to hype up nerd fans,i believe in how they really convey those speed in action,in naruto im just disappointed

[@Hcjeiwjc]

what are you saying lil bro. madara easily neg diffs the verse. Also maybe the reason it doesn't lool like the characters are moving fast is because the animation wasn't as advanced at the time

[@jeffmilligan5307]

I get this, but did u guys see the mahoraga fight? Currently in the manga, he is literally killing everybody and on top of that he isn't even using his full power yet... I have to see the fight end, I need to see how they stop sakuna because right now I think sakuna could kill Madara, not easily, but easier than we think...

[@MATI640]

Bro kid madara solo sukuna and 99% of jjk the difference in strength between naruto characters and jjk characters is simply too big

[@Beyondness.A]

can sakuna spawn a meteorite

[@jeffmilligan5307]

@@Beyondness.A no, but he can summon fire that is hotter than that of a meteorite. He could probably dismantle the meteors before impact as well. Him and mahoraga were throwing buildings around as they fought...

[@akumpo2819]

@@jeffmilligan5307I’ve read a few comments and one of the things that I haven’t seen was the fact that madara’s immortal and has unlimited chakra. The real question is if sukuna can keep up with madara

[@ryanfernando7033]

Sukuna can just one shot Madara too,its also proven that madaras susanoo can be broken like how sunade destroyed it with just a punch,what do you think will happen if sukuna hit him dismantle or cleave? And even gaara was able to grab madara from inside his susanoo with his sand,he can be grab and that shield is soft as a cotton, there's no escaping that dismantle or cleave of sukuna

[@WhshsNomas]

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[@WhshsNomas]

First off all put the cheese on the burger, And Madara isn't getting scratched by Fraudkunas little attacks, Just because Tsunade can break Madaras Susanoo doesn't mean Fraudkuna can, Madara cut a mountain in half was toying with the 5 kage, And that wasn't his full power, Ten Tails Madara was fighting So6p Naruto and So6p Sasuke which are opponents who are way stronger than Edo Tensei Madara, Madara was able to survive 8 Gates Gai someone who could bent space time and WAY faster than Fraudkuna, Madara solos the JJK verse stop riding Fraudkuna he doesn't have anything that could even scratch Madara.

[@Hcjeiwjc]

dude madara negs

[@6ronanfreemaker9]

if you got satoru and mahito together to fight against madara it would be just one domain expansion and madara loses (idk if madara has any imunity to mental attacks not just genjutsu, and it still probably doesnt matter if we acknolege satoru domain expansion is just every information being delivered to you at the same time), then he would just need to bring mahito in to the domain expansion, touch him, bring him to madara and have mahito just simply touch him and fuck him up also i believe you forgot takaba when you said madara solos jjk verse, like the brother has toon force (i know it isnt tecnically but it operates in a similar way)

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

You do know none of them are fast enough for that and a Truth seeking orb would kill mahito

[@6ronanfreemaker9]

@@hassanhassan-os5oq thats why i said mahito plus gojo, and i didnt say is granted they would win it would come to who attacks first in all honesty

[@MATI640]

​@@6ronanfreemaker9 Madara has genjutsu so gojo would be out of the fight before it started and mahito would die after one attack

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Sukuna's strongest attack outside his recent space slash which is more of a hax is only calced at city level and that's with the help from his domain. Anything higher is wank.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

Sukuna’s definitely FTL (possibly MFTL), him at less than half of his suppressed power, and with all of the nerfs was so fast that he waited for Kashimo’s electromagnetic blast to be a few yards away to chant, move around, make the hand signs, and launch a world slash, all before the blast could hit from a few yards away making the world slash dozens of times FTL, Maki could effortlessly dodge the world slashes even while blinded, and caught off guard making her far faster than the slashes. Yet Sukuna could speed-blitz Maki, and he's still massively nerfed while suppressing himself to such an extent that he's not even trying. Also, Mahoraga should already be immune to the TSO, Mahoraga is adapted to infinity, limitless, the perfect sphere, Sukuna can catch, heal from, and push against the existence erasing 200% Hollow purple, catch, and heal from the durability/soul damaging soul split katana, Sukuna is massively resistant towards Jacobs ladder (a CT made to destroy curse objects, which makes up Sukuna’s entire existence) so even if you want to assume Mahoraga is not adapted to the TSO, Sukuna could quickly adapt for Mahoraga, and that would remove all ninjutsu’s. As for Genjutsu, RCT constantly refreshes the mind, we've already seen how it would work when Jogo was saved as a head, also Sukuna can see your ability near the level of the six eyes, he would instantly know about the Genjutsu powers just by looking at the user, Sukuna was able to instantly know Yuta was using a future sight CT.

[@TheManUnderTheSun]

Bro no, jjk doesn't get past hypersonic.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

@@TheManUnderTheSun STFU, you did not have anything to go against what i said, so your just shouting nonsense piss off.

[@KratosMessi-g6b]

for the first one ,its consistent,like the fastest character stated by the manga is gojo,yet we haven't seen any instance where he actually surpasses light speed,also,maki is shown to be around supersonic speeds in the manga,and sukuna dodging kashimo's em waves was just him aim dodging it,which means he already saw the attack coming,and kashimo charhing up,so he moved away from the blast impact range,which seems consistent too,and thus maki dodging world slashes,makes the world slashes super-hypersonic,maybe relativistic at best. also,even if sukuna is ftl ,madara still is way faster than him,because he was playing with kcm 2 naruto,who is easily ftl+,and also so6p naruto,which amps his power multiple times,and i am not even using the inconsistent haku feat,which makes even kid naruto and sasuke ftl+,and will make madara mft+ easily. also,mahoraga adopted to infinity in sukuna's fight with gojo,why are you using it here,its a different fight,mahoraga is actually dead,so you can't bring the mahoraga which adopted to infinity,you can either bring 4-arm sukuna,which knows world slash,or the meguna with mahoraga,which doesn't know world slash also regarding tso,mahoraga was one shotted by fuga and hollow purple,voth being city level attacks,which makes mahoraga's durability lesser than city level,any attacks from madara beyond that durability,can easily one shot him.

[@Adam2111barry]

lol Seth said Sukuna adapts infinitely and beats ten tails Madara and definitely beats base Madara

[@Nurrlmao]

nah

[@cov-hx5ok]

@@Nurrlmaoye

[@zenmaster4829]

​@@cov-hx5ok nah

[@Demiurgos001]

Yeah, but not madara with ten tails

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

He said base and mahoraga adapts to the concepts itself

[@D_I_T_O_]

Why are you guys so obsessed in downplaying sukuna. 😶 Is it because sukuna is more badass than your favourite character or is it because he defeated gojo🌚

[@Tempest1018]

Nah hes just ass

[@wolffangg]

​@@Tempest1018 No one's surprised you chose Madara but why are you being so rude?

[@CursedShinobiClown]

Lol Sukuna fans are so weird

[@vongolatx4828]

Seth the programmer whooped you

[@somerandomperson5473]

He was needing madara hard throughout the whole thing

[@vongolatx4828]

@@somerandomperson5473 needing?

[@somerandomperson5473]

@@vongolatx4828 meant nerfing but auto correct changed it to needing.

[@theodor071]

No disrespect to Seth the programmers but the recent suckuna vs Madara video was crazy wank for sure.

[@matthewwelles8422]

See the thing is, the power scaling for JJK isn’t the best because ain’t no way Maki is just barely faster than Mach 3 when we’ve see feats that make it so an earlier version scales higher than Mach 3. I honestly think they can react to the speed of light (Sukuna and Gojo) but can’t move at that speed and idk how to scale AP really because Hollow purple is supposed to just erase what it touches(it doesn’t always do that) and Sukuna’s world slash literally negates your durability just like Kamui does…. So I think majority of people underestimate JJK but definitely a lot of the fandom over hypes/over rates the characters(Kashimo light speed scaling and such). My opinion? Madara wins however Madara can recognize that Sukuna does have ways he can get a win, just it won’t be likely that Sukuna does land a hit cause Madara is too fast Edit* If Madara can regenerate (which he can literally ONLY do in edo tensei, unless he’s able to when he’s blind as well) then Sukuna can use 10 shadow’s because Edo Tensei is literally cheating so then Sukuna can use the world slash and 10 shadows cause then that’s cheating as well. I’m talking about alive Madara(not Juubi-dara) against alive Sukuna(hein era form cause that’s Sukuna’s “default” if you will)

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

Madara can regen because hashirama cells

[@matthewwelles8422]

@@hassanhassan-os5oq not in his alive state…. Did you read man? In the manga and anime Madara DID NOT obtain regeneration from Hashirama cells until AFTER he died, so what you’re saying makes no sense for this specific argument

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

@@matthewwelles8422 didn't white zetsu have hashirama cells and didn't Madara have him as a subordinate

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

@@matthewwelles8422 also to get the rinnegan you need both the chakra of Indra and ashura

[@rick7122]

Madara was unable to heal by himself, zetsu gave him an arm after he reincarnated and cancelled out the disengagement of the edo tensei by performing it on himself, when he turned into Juubi he was able to heal, but it was also incredibly slow compared to RCT@@hassanhassan-os5oq

[@masonmcfadden4886]

Can you do luffy vs gojo 💀

[@beytullah6972]

Bad idea, it's impossible to make a fair argument with One piece fans when they resort to the most inconsistent scales and wrong understanding of abilities. The best example is G5 and people thinking no one who does not have haki even if they level higher can't beat logia users

[@Thegodsworshipper13574]

@@beytullah6972I agree. I was debating a one piece fan on naruto vs luffy. And they said “naruto doesn’t have haki so he can’t hurt luffy” 💀

[@Thegodsworshipper13574]

It will only piss luffy fans off. And regardless gojo likely wins I would say (likely not saying he does but likely) reasoning behind this is probably due to hollow purple which actually states to erase beings from existence. Which luffy has zero hax to. Honestly I could continue this but their is no point.

[@MrMan2006]

Luffy slams. He’ll blitz past infinity (jjk chapter 76) and beat him up with dura neg. He’ll probably need anywhere from Wano base to Wano Gear 5 to beat Gojo using speed advantage, but he slams as soon as he learns advanced armament. Infinity may not be able to block the intangible, invisible strikes from Ryou.

[@MrMan2006]

luffy a naruto victim tho

[@baruchogbewe]

yo tempest is the goat every video he makes he be cooking just sukuna did to gojo

[@recognized_]

Sukuna way too overhyped

[@pancakes454]

If y’all can easily accept that Dagon is island level for creating an island why can’t you accept Gojo being universal for creating a universe with his domain 😂😂😂

[@johnsaincyr8616]

Not the sharpest in the shed

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

You're assuming he creates an entire universe.

[@pancakes454]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 i mean at first glance it does appear like he is making one

[@RobertFierce]

Gojo lost to Sukuna so he is absolute dogshit lmao. Doesn't even belong in this Madara conversation

[@headcrap6152]

now do obito vs gojo or sukuna

[@justinwhaley1288]

I love both Characters but the only versions of Madara that are winning are prime EMS, eso tensei and ten tails. All other versions get clapped. Also we havent seen Sukuna full power. So we will just have to see what happens next

[@mayonnaise3959]

We literally did and base madara slams

[@MATI640]

Base Madara slams