Why Marvel's MOST RUTHLESS Villain Isn't In The Live Action Movies

When Marvel's Daredevil came to Netflix, audiences were blown away by Vincent D'Nofrio's powerful portrayal of Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin. By far the standout villain from the Marvel Netflix shows. He could have rivaled Thanos or Loki for the MCU's best villain. But because of the failure behind the rest of the Netflix effort we may never see Wilson Fisk enter the MCU. Though fan's have high hopes we will see Kingpin in Hawkeye and Spider-Man No Way Home.
Written by Dave Baker
Edited by Dave Sadvari
#WilsonFisk #Kingpin #Nerdstalgic

[@darkdudironaji]

"Most people think of him as a Daredevil villain." Damn I feel stupid. I always thought of him as a Spider-Man villain. *30 seconds later* Oh, nice. Me no dumb.

[@symphomaniac]

I always thought of him as a SpiderMan villain thanks to the animated series

[@darkdudironaji]

@@symphomaniac Same

[@gurentgc3546]

@@symphomaniac Kidz of the 90s know better.

[@Thros1]

Pretty sure those people are thinking of the movie Michael Clarke dunkan was great

[@SylviaRustyFae]

@@symphomaniac Yep, this. I grew up when Spiderman was airing as a cartoon and always knew him first and foremost as a spidey villain and was kinda confused when i was watchin Dardevil and saw him there... And was completely shocked when they actually fleshed him out as a villain in much more detail than the spidey cartoons ever did. And now I kno why that was.

[@nicolasschultz7550]

I loved how he skipped iroinfist when he named the show that were doing well

[@Nerdstalgic]

Intentional!

[@matityaloran9157]

I honestly liked Iron Fist

[@mindseyemelodies]

i am an iron fist apologist.-

[@baboonaiih]

Iron Fists best part were the siblings and definitely NOT Iron Fist himself

[@Jojozilla426]

@@matityaloran9157 same, I get why people hate it so much but I really enjoyed it

[@KellyMichael91]

Nerdstalgic: don't expect to see Kingpin in the MCU anytime soon Wilson Fisk: laughs in Hawkeye

[@QuinoLising]

correction, don't expect to see a GOOD Kingpin representation in the MCU anytime soon

[@spittinvenom9843]

He was neutered, disgraceful

[@QuinoLising]

@@spittinvenom9843 jeez sorry, didn't know *I* apparently am disgraceful

[@spittinvenom9843]

@@QuinoLising maybe you misunderstood, I was calling the Fisk character treatment in Hawkeye neutered and that was disgraceful to the epic villain portrayed in DD.

[@satyaa_x]

It was the worst version of King

[@jahidulhaquebandhan4215]

I do not exaggerate when I say this, "Daredevil is the greatest superhero story ever put on television, featuring one of the best superhero vullains, ever" Every aspect of this series is great. And it's a shame that it got cancelled.

[@christieblackwood7807]

No it's not

[@jahidulhaquebandhan4215]

It's something I believe. Not that you have to agree.

[@shealupkes]

which is why he has no place in the mcu

[@jahidulhaquebandhan4215]

Indeed

[@gurentgc3546]

@@christieblackwood7807 it's sadly.

[@nocontextwhatever]

The performance of Kingpin is truly one of the best acting performances I’ve seen on tv or film, ever. Thanks for reminding me about it.

[@fallenscsl]

loved him ever since full metal jacket, private pile =P

[@ShadowProject01]

@@fallenscsl THAT’S where I remember him from! My gawd thank you! Was driving me nuts. Yeah Vincent is THE Kingpin hands down.

[@willrunriot]

@@ShadowProject01 He's the bug alien/"Edgar suit" in the first Men in Black too.

[@OLDg_Vids]

Yeah and the same goes to Charlie Cox as Daredevil! What a masterpiece Daredevil is!

[@MrFreedomforyou]

I totally agree

[@AlexLove631]

There’s a giant rumor about Fisk appearing in Hawkeye and Matt appearing in Echo, which would give me life. Feige has to know how perfect the castings were for many of the NETFLIX/MCU shows, and should keep them. Daredevil is one of the best things Marvel has ever produced. Not bringing Cox back would be one of the biggest mistakes Marvel would make

[@christianchase9909]

One thing that gives me a little bit of hope is the way Disney has handled shows like the Mandalorian. They brought a bunch of stuff back from all the media and basically just gave fans what they wanted in the Mandalorian. Maybe they will do the same with marvel🙏🏻

[@davidmckesey7119]

What is echo??

[@AlexLove631]

@@davidmckesey7119 Echo is a great Marvel character who will appear in Hawkeye and get her own spin off show

[@peteredwards2318]

Charlie Cox's casting in that role was great, but the skilled selection of that actor, as impressive a bit of work as it was, PALES in comparison to how well he actually acted that role. There was no way anyone could have expected him to pull it off that well. His portrayal of Daredevil is, I would say, THE best acting in a Marvel IP, or ANY comic book IP, EVER.

[@AlexLove631]

@@peteredwards2318 just goes to show that actors just need proper scripts and roles to truly showcase their talents. Cox’s portrayal of Matt is up there with the best. He is to DD what RDJ is to Iron Man and Jackman is to Wolverine.

[@janujano2026]

"It's highly unlikely that D'Onofrio's Fisk will be featured on the silver screen soon" That didn't age very well

[@paydronian]

"The silver screen" is a term used for the movie industry, not television. I'm still hoping that happens, but an episode of Hawkeye doesn't count as "the silver screen".

[@janujano2026]

@@paydronian Still it is highly likely that he'll appear in some movie any time soon, We only have movies planned for 2024 and 3 years isn't that far from now

[@richarddagostini6332]

@@paydronian definitely agree with your definition of “silver screen”. But I have to say especially with the appearance of daredevil in No way home, and an introduction of kingpin in Hawkeye we can assume they’re both in the MCU now and may both show up on the “silver screen”

[@richarddagostini6332]

@I'M ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM! lol yes I knew that, I was just agreeing with his point lol… thanks tho

[@ColonialSun-mg6tq]

Not gonna lie I thought this was a video from 2020 until I saw your comment

[@JVR10893]

I love the Disney+ Marvel shows, but even the best moments don’t hold a candle to the first two seasons of Daredevil.

[@patrickcox8990]

you really think season 2 is better than season 3?

[@JVR10893]

@@patrickcox8990 I honestly didn’t watch season 3. My life got busy and then I just never got around to watching it. I do owe it to myself to finish the series at some point.

[@albinwallen634]

@@JVR10893 season 3 is like the best season

[@abdmin503]

@@JVR10893 season 3 is one of the best, its so good, thrilling and satisfying end to the series, it works as a finale too except for a post credit ish scene that sets up another season which was sadly cancelled

[@mihirvemuri6261]

S3 is literally the besy

[@joshjohnson5884]

The amount of people say this aged well is cringe at this point but they right. Matt Murdock was in the new spider-man and Fisk is in Hawkeye

[@GrayifiedX]

No they were not! Stop spreading Fake News!!!

[@theseriessmaker6446]

@@GrayifiedX yes they were

[@louisgoelen1645]

@@GrayifiedX they literally were.

[@an-animal-lover]

@@GrayifiedX have you watched either?

[@MrOcean-wl1vy]

Kingpin was a joke in Hawkeye. He was not the Netflix Kingpin but a sham.

[@creeder99]

The whole daredevil series that featured in Netflix was a pure art and it's a shame they cancelled it.

[@Edson07bs]

Maybe that's why there are strong rumours/confirmations that most of its cast will return for a Disney+ version.

[@satyaa_x]

@@Edson07bs they will rune the characters

[@hamzaliaqat1731]

KINGPIN'S COAT, HAND & LAUGH APPEARED IN HAWKEYE Ep 3 😂😂😂😂

[@sergeantk]

"don't expect Fisk to make a return any time soon" Me after watching hawkeye:

[@tinogarcia996]

Fisk brings together the sinister six in No Way Home. Perfect.

[@angrym0nkeysh0w]

This version of Wilson Fisk is way too amazing to appear in that shitty version of Spider-Man. I'd much rather see him in the Hawkeye show tbh

[@angrym0nkeysh0w]

@U.S Agent Gonna cry?

[@southsouthsouthside]

fisk appears in hawkeye, matt in no way home

[@xperson838]

He'll be too busy trying to get revenge on Hawkeye for Vanessa's death in the new series. Oops spoilers ...

[@jeremyaguilar591]

@U.S Agent no one cares about yours

[@jacoborozco9412]

“Don’t expect him to be back anytime soon” The rumors of him coming back for Hawkeye: I gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@-Scrapper-]

Daredevil might come on spiderman 3 and this guy was on spider verse

[@daoyang223]

Don't know if he'll be in Hawkeye. lol

[@Comicbroe405]

@@daoyang223 You just wait. Respectable scoopers are talking about it. His character is essential to Echo & it sets up that series too.

[@Eudaimonia7564]

@@daoyang223 he will be. Trust me. There’s more evidence for him to be in rather than him *not* being in it

[@ext609]

@@Eudaimonia7564 Yep, A few months ago he like the rumor tweet about him appear in hawkeye and then he unlike it after people start talking about it.

[@merbeartheginger456]

“Don’t expect to see him any time soon.” 😈

[@gabe6199]

D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk is the greatest onscreen adaptation of a Marvel villain.

[@arnavkhadkatkar8210]

I agree but ur forgetting Willem Defoe 😭

[@rob_patrick1]

I love to see you make a new essay on Daredevil in No way Home, and D'Onifrio Kingpin in Hawkeye, because personally I have mixed feelings about how they reinvented Kingpin in Hawkeye in just 1 episode

[@ginge641]

I'd be incredibly impressed with someone getting an essay out of Matt's three lines in NWH.

[@ryantony7743]

What you mean reinvented? The man almost killed Kate she got very lucky.

[@velkren3594]

@@ryantony7743 fr people getting way too pissed saying they nerfed him and stuff

[@launchermonkey201]

@Velkren I don't think he got nerfed they made him like cartoonishly strong in hawkeye

[@ryantony7743]

@@launchermonkey201 Oh you're taking about surviving getting knocked over by a car and blown up I assume... yeah but I guess that's just a reminder that these are still comic book shows. I mean as grounded and realistic as Daredevil was, the things especially Matt could do is definitely things you'd see in a comic book show or movie which is obviously a benefit to the series cause of how well they wrote his abilities into the show. My point is no matter how grounded or realistic a comic book character is written to be, it's still comics

[@grimace9559]

This aged so well

[@lieutenantkettch]

"Don't expect to see him anytime soon." And now, Spider-Man: No Way Home and Hawkeye episode 5 are out...

[@pkmn_trnr_alex]

daredevil is just a really good lawyer

[@Sammy-bj7ff]

Who’s here after Hawkeye episode 5?

[@GageM808]

here we are 3 months later, daredevil was in spiderman and wilson fisk fought an avenger on hawkeye

[@SebasZC]

"Don't hold you breath to see him with the avengers anytime soon" xd -Hawkaye: Take my beer...

[@jusjeffrey]

Haha, I love how he appeared in Hawkeye anyway

[@jusjeffrey]

And Matt pulls up in NWH

[@blazarre7251]

Well this aged well huh

[@luxentmacaroni]

This aged like pure fucking shit

[@madhursaigal142]

It's ironic how Kingpin came to life just 2 months later

[@lizmarie8658]

this is an interesting watch considering the recent developments in Hawkeye and no way home....

[@angelsepulveda9211]

Vincent is one of my favorite casting of a villain, especially Kingpin. Can't see anyone else playing the role, hope they bring him back!

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

Got your wish.

[@Seaweedsz]

I still hate the fact that when people asked why the Daredevil, Jessica, Luke and Iron Fist didn´t appeared on Endgame someone from Marvel said that it was because it would have been confusing to those that only watch the movies, but now that they have disney plus they suddenly don´t care about that. It was obvious that they they were not included because they didn´t have complete control over them, made them look like hypocrites.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Same why Wolverine wasn't in the latest Marvel vs Capcom

[@Raii_Chu]

i mean, chill out. Not that big of a deal.

[@IamGrimalkin]

Although Spiderman did appear in endgame and they didn't have complete control over him.

[@jesse76thgames80]

they had a point tho

[@Seaweedsz]

@@jesse76thgames80 Yeah, but the point still stands with the Disney plus shows, the only difference is that they do own them and that they are almost as formulaic as the movies.

[@archibaldcreep1]

Kingpin Shows up 2 months later, lol

[@mozzarellarellarellarellar8425]

Here after the Hawkeye reveal

[@Oropher420]

literally 8 weeks later and he's in Hawkeye, Marvel is such a troll.

[@laurencegodenir7232]

6:00 glad that you were wrong

[@Foxtrot5]

This video was released at the worst possible time.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Could've waited just a few months

[@Theaura1]

this aged like milk

[@SwuadeTV]

Guess I can stop holding my breath

[@hefoughtabear118]

The Netflix Marvel series are way better than the MCU's villains no contest. Kilgrave, Bullseye, Foolkiller, Jigsaw and Kingpin are basically perfect

[@nicolasschultz7550]

To be fair they do get a lot more time in the series to develop them and show there back story

[@hefoughtabear118]

@@nicolasschultz7550 true but I'd also argue that maybe 2 or 3 of the MCU villains individually beat some of the best netflix villains but collectively i think the netflix villains as a whole beats the mcu

[@John-Doe-Yo]

@@hefoughtabear118 who else besides thanos?

[@hefoughtabear118]

@@John-Doe-Yo Id maybe say that Wenwu or Killmonger are more compelling than Foolkiller and Jigsaw but thats about it.

[@The_Kvng]

@Snehil Shrey Yea its because they want someone more powerful than the last guy which just sucks.

[@thehypershon4064]

This aged well lol

[@ahmadusman4775]

Well well well

[@phantom3146]

All the Disney plus shows feel so bleak compared to Daredevil Daredevil should’ve been the standard for all future comic book shows

[@Bored_Barbarian]

I really liked his portrayal. Bernthal and he are perfect for their roles. Literally I hope they never recast Punisher as long as Jon is interested. He nails all sides of the character, not just “omg big guns and revenge”. Vincent D’onofrio is so good too. When he gave the speech about the good samaritan , and came to the realization that he, himself was the ill intent, it was so chilling and effective. Damn, now I need to rewatch Daredevil 😂

[@jacobp249]

"When I was a boy..."

[@nude_cat_ellie7417]

Oh man you are so right…I still glue to the screen at that scene on repeat viewings.

[@amadan4995]

This aged well

[@rickyricardo2280]

0:24 Um… about that…

[@MegaDT1000]

It's December 15, 2021, the new episode of Hawkeye just released, and this video has fortunately aged like room tempature milk. The King has returned.

[@freewillygoss]

I'll never get tired of the car door scene. Just crazy. And I love his goons, RIP my boy Wesley

[@therealoj3474]

As Charlie cox and Vincent show up in the MCU less than a week apart

[@coombsyboi4139]

lol next minute he’s in Hawkeye. 😂

[@SylviaRustyFae]

Kingpin/Fisk was such a very well done villain in the TV show Daredevil. Like, they give you so much about that char to make you truly empathize with him in ways unlike any other villains in the various adaptations of marvel heroes.

[@austinwalker240]

I’m finally starting the Netflix Marvel shows and I started with Daredevil. I just finished season 2 and honestly find Fisk to be the most compelling character on the show.

[@prarthanagarwal3961]

Revisiting this video after Hawkeye EP5 & No Way Home is pure bliss ! I am glad I held my breath 😂

[@soggychip3784]

yup worth it

[@voodoo2919]

this came out before he showed up in hawkeye right

[@kunalsingh1944]

Yep

[@rsienicki]

"However, don't expect to see him showing up again anytime soon." Well this essay didn't age well very fast. :D

[@Coolsomeone234]

Looks like Fisk needs a really good lawyer to help prosecute him

[@trentmerrell686]

Finally!!! This guy was insanely awesome

[@Nerdstalgic]

The best

[@swarckle6324]

We will see him toe-to-toe with the avengers soon 😀

[@roboninja3194]

Well this didn't age well.

[@TylerMarkRichardson]

Well he isn't so it still holds up

[@SunlightGwyn]

As murderous as Thanos was, at least he always gave a peaceful death with his snaps.

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

Yea kingpin just gives you the fucking door

[@ferguscotterill5353]

Wellllllllll he did slaughter billions the good old fashioned way before he got the stones. He been doin that since before gamora was rlly even born (prolly)

[@TheBfutgreg]

Except for poor Loki....and Vision too I guess

[@levels1937]

If Thanos didn't have a hero's complex in Infinity war r.i.p Mcu.

[@jackzimmy8461]

It’s not about those he snapped, it’s those he left behind. You don’t get to give half the universe PTSD and call it a mercy.

[@ROBtimusPrimeReborn]

This video will age badly when he debuts in the Hawkeye Disney+ series. Lol. Fingers crossed he really appears in it.

[@leandroondarza3365]

Dont...dont give me hope

[@rissoto7850]

still not a movie

[@Retrolovegamer]

We can only hope

[@VAVORiAL]

I doubt Hawkeye will be good. But hey, I'm all im for surprises.

[@ROBtimusPrimeReborn]

@@rissoto7850 that's a bit facetious dude. If he shows up in the Hawkeye show, that confirms he'll be in a MCU movie someday.

[@jonathankelly4222]

I think it’s about time we started a hashtag movement. His version of kingpin was beyond superb.

[@HoDoBoDo]

I hope he is super violent in Echo, because if he is cartoonishly strong like in Hawkeye then I won't be happy. I'm not saying he shouldn't be cartoonishly strong, but he shouldn't look as silly as he did in Hawkeye when he was rammed with a car or blown up with a bunch of trick arrows. It's cool to see that he finally got his comic book accurate strength, but it should be portrayed with an R-rated flare.

[@JustSomebody5]

Hmm, I imagine translating such a maturely toned character whose recent live action depiction had him cut a man's head off with a car door would've been enough to dissuade Disney from involving him.

[@thisbubblygoodness7611]

and that's the problem, it is a very real threat that Disney and the writers will diminish this character into something lesser and more child friendly

[@thisbubblygoodness7611]

@@Niop_Tres yeah basically

[@SpacenoidCentral]

@@Niop_Tres PG may censor surface level stuff like cussing and violence, but it cannot censor deep themes and character emotions. The writers just don't care enough.

[@cassiea.9437]

*laughs in hawkeye*

[@Dv0m]

thsts what im saying man

[@gamepixel5904]

*laughs in no way home*

[@RaptorAceX]

Watching this right after his reveal in Hawkeye, guess you were wrong about when he'd return LOL

[@filippians413]

Vincent D'Onofrio is one hell of an actor.

[@IcyDiamond]

Honestly I can see him being in Hawkeye imo

[@Nerdstalgic]

You might be right.

[@songsfordustmites]

Don't forget the Echo spinoff

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

@@songsfordustmites If u dont mind me asking, whats that about?

[@CooperDianeBob]

Hope they continue his story and he still in prison

[@southsouthsouthside]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy respectable scoopers have said that fisk appears in 3 episodes and it's not a cameo or minor role

[@GothCatDaddy]

Vincent retweeted an article saying that he's going to reprise Fisk in Hawkeye. I don't think he would have done that if it wasn't true. I love the video, but it's going to poorly age in a few.

[@jackdailey5238]

It better poorly age

[@GothCatDaddy]

@@Niop_Tres It will. He wouldn't confirm a project he's not in. And it's listed on his IMDB and Wikipedia. Both sites have been wrong before, but the source is him.

[@MovieGaps]

Can we say this is officially poorly aged yet? I might be jumping the gun but if that wasn’t Vincent’s voice they got a damn close actor/impression

[@GothCatDaddy]

@@MovieGaps I'm waiting for next week, but yeah. I think we can call it.

[@Cj-xt6tv]

It’s called

[@Devilmandbz]

And then they put him in to spite you

[@nilanjandas2762]

Honestly speaking, I was more impressed by the first seasons of the Netflix shows than the recent ones. Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were good shows. Everything in Disney+ is so world ending, I get bored sometimes 😂 Need some intimate and personal stories

[@queend9604]

Hawkeye seems to be going that route, which makes complete sense given that they seem to be heavily adapting the Fraction run, which was a lot more of smaller, self contained story

[@Edson07bs]

Falcon and the Winter Soldier + WandaVision aren't world ending at all. So far, Hawkeye isn't either. On top of that, I doubt Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel or SheHulk would be.

[@andrewthezeppo]

I loved WandaVision because it was so unique and well done but I did get bored with Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Falcon's whole plotline of being broke and his family almost losing their business was really dumb and clunky. Like in the real world he could easily get endorsements for thinks like Gatorade or whatever. Vision, a freaking robot, could buy a house in the suburbs and Falcon can't afford to help with family?

[@nude_cat_ellie7417]

Intimate and personal. Yes yes, I agree. I actually get a little frustrated with DD S3 because there is less character development for Matt.

[@jonasquinn7977]

Is it just me or is this whole video just based on “Kingpin is the best Marvel villain and the MCU will never include him “ with no reasons as to why?

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

Yeh i felt that too. I also find it weird that whenever people (rightfully) criticize MCU villains, they exclusively take examples from pre- 2015, when everyone knows that the best marvel villains r post-2015. Zemo, Vulture, Killmonger and Thanos with Ego and Hela as honorable mentions. I dont know why people still do this. Is it just to downplay the MCU?

[@SylviaRustyFae]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy None of those post 2015 villains hold a candle to Kingpin when it comes to actually getting the viewers to empathize with the villains and their motivations.

[@muhammadHassan-kj1jy]

@@SylviaRustyFae Thats just ur opinion, just like how i feel that the villains i listed along with many of the TV villains r the greatest characters marvel has made. I simply include some of the movie villains when talking about greatest marvel villains

[@SylviaRustyFae]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy Can you at least explain what it is about these MVU villains that makes you empathize with them?

[@jonasquinn7977]

@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy yeah, regardless of how you feel about Kingpin the whole “all MCU villains are bad” meme hasn’t been true in a while

[@krishilgandhi7199]

So this video aged badly with hawkeye episode 5

[@bhriscumstead117]

Well this video aged poorly, and it's only been 2 months.

[@benjiross1]

Aged like bread

[@InsomniacPostman]

Well, this aged like milk. 😂

[@annacleverley307]

Well this didn't age well

[@sewest6038]

and today....

[@samuelbam3748]

This video didn't age well

[@Crowskie04]

I don't just want to see him going toe to toe with the Avengers. I want to see him being a force of lawful evil ala Dr. Doom or Magneto. The realization of the character in the Netflix shows was amazing and even sympathetic. Marvel likes to make genere movies, maybe they will give us a Godfather-esk Kingpin film.

[@jettlucashayes8508]

well he is back know

[@anthonyd5563]

Who's here when they found out his character will be in Hawkeye and other MCU shows.

[@derangedcrouton1864]

Yes he is!!!! Yes he is!!!!!

[@LuiJoD316]

Well as of today this has not aged well. Kingpin has just debuted on an Avenger’s MCU Disney Plus show! Almost like Feige saw your video and said, “What? Hold my baseball cap…”

[@Revenkin]

Daredevil was near perfect, Jesica Jones was amazing, Luke cage was great, ....... Yeah Disney should definitely incorporate most of the defenders into the MCU

[@peterstevens3219]

Hello. I am 3 months in the future and Ur wrong. He is in hawkeye

[@TylerMarkRichardson]

Hawkeye isn't a movie

[@FaceClef]

Netflix Daredevil is a masterpiece

[@Nerdstalgic]

Agree

[@milk1472]

Well, the first two seasons, at least

[@WithoutFear804]

@@milk1472 You mean the first and last season?

[@Spearz5]

@@WithoutFear804 there’s 3 seasons

[@johnmolina2190]

This video aged horribly, no offense:) love your vids.

[@pirocetamol]

This video didn't age that well...

[@shashankbhat1]

This aged like milk.

[@PitZagufull]

Amazing!!! An analysis not only on D'Nofrio's Kingpin, but the entire MCU as a whole, films AND televisions! Thank you for making this! I love it!

[@goliathsbane]

0:23 That line aged great

[@Akane1051]

Honestly this just woke up in me again the resentment I feel for the fact that Netflix!MCU was scratched out. I just CAN'T feel the same level of exciment withe the new MCU series- they don't feel like actual movies, but they still feel very MCU-movies and there is nothing spicing up the experience. Netflix!MCU was just _different_ to the movies and you could feel you were seeing a different side of the cinematic universe. They gave a differente level of depth to the whole thing: right now the Disney+ series is just more bridges to the next big thing, but Netflix series dealt with the cities and citizens of an over-powered world. If they haven't scratched out Jessica, Daredevil & Luke Cage, can you imagine the impact they could have added to Civil War, actually making it a civil war about superhumans identities and accountability? JESSICA WAS DEALING WITH THAT. IT WAS MATT'S CONFLICT. LUKE WAS ON THE SPOT-LIGHT FOR IT. But no, no one there liked to share and they ruined it. The Disney+ series CAN'T de-escalate their stakes now, they established a pattern with WandaVision breaking into other universes, FATWS bringing more super-soldiers, Lady Hydra and the start of the new team; Loki broke the timeline and now we have the next Big Bad. I mean... what is Kingpin who just wants to control a neighbourhood goings to do in the big picture? Yeah, they can do it, they are not just going to, because they don't want to. And now we can't see how we fit there, as an audience. We are just Peter classmates asking if someone has a plan for five seconds in the opening of the past movie and that's it. There is no Malcom, no Trish, how much time and space is going go be given to Ned and May in the next Spider-Man movie? I am going to be fine, because is a movie and I know what I am watching, but I was also better before it was always only about "the universe".

[@UnchartedMedia]

Well..........this didn't age well

[@Kta8548i]

Top ten things that didn't age well

[@thatguywade5384]

This has aged well

[@tmhugin8312]

Well... well... well...

[@pekhos_]

6:02 "Don't expect to see him showing up again anytime soon" Literally two months later and he's in Hawkeye whoops

[@tadeaskrasny9226]

I love how he meantions multiple times that we shouldn’t expect kingpin to come back anytime soon, but it took only weeks and he appeared in hawkeye

[@csheffa]

Ooops, this didn't age well

[@clappytriofan2098]

Kingpin showed up in today’s episode of Hawkeye 👀👀👀

[@MichaelWalker345]

Feige has said that he wants to bring Daredevil, Kingpin, Jessica Jones, and the Punisher from their respective shows into the MCU. I don't see them not bringing them in if they bringing in other characters from other properties.

[@noelv1976]

The problem would be since it’ll be on Disney, the bloody violence, language and occasional sex scenes will be gone. That’s why I don’t see how they can make The Punisher for Disney…it was an MA rated show for a reason. But we’ll see how it goes

[@e.winkler3181]

Hawkeye, wait for it

[@jacobharris954]

He has not said.

[@Eudaimonia7564]

@@jacobharris954 well it’s happening anyway. Daredevil cameos in NWH and kingpin is in Hawkeye.

[@thatkarmaguy5356]

one down

[@captainstage2009]

Watching this after Hawkeye is just hilarious 😂🤣

[@attissedain6424]

Well now him and Daredevil are here so get ready for one of the best villain's to ever come