Why Michigan Parents Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

Michigan authorities are including looking into whether the parents of school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley had an accomplice and what actions school officials took after they were warned about the teenager's allegedly disturbing behavior.
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Why Michigan Parents Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

[@briansteve5269]

When they refused to take him home, they should've heard "My next call will be Child Protective Services."

[@Dain75]

That organization is extremely overworked and underfunded. It's hard to say how fast they would have gotten there.

[@kathyadair8552]

@@Dain75 Not to mention that there are some in that field just as corrupt as our government. At least, the dems. have been trying to do something about it, all these years. ... Not that they're a who lot better, overall.

[@Dain75]

@@kathyadair8552 the NRA pays conservatives a ton of money in donations to vote their way that is for sure. I imagine gun companies do as well. I think there is a limit to what a business can give, but I personally think "donations" like that should be illegal. It's basically paying for votes.

[@MC-kg8mp]

I never knew you can refuse to take your child home...Wow, help us Jesus

[@Lani.Gemini]

@@Dain75 hes 15 right

[@mrsignguy1000]

You enable him or her...you're responsible for what he or she does!

[@iForgottToWipe]

Like the Christmas Parade attackers mom bailing him out of jail after he ran over his girlfriend?

[@IXSICNESS]

Yep, the NRA and pro gun people have been enabling mass shootings for over 20 years

[@luciussvartwulf6630]

@@IXSICNESS hmm, guess we need to round up AOC, Waters, and a bunch of the democratic leadership then, seeing as they encouraged and financially supported the "summer of peaceful protests" that killed nearly 40 people, caused billions in damages, and destroyed tens of thousands of lives.

[@IXSICNESS]

@@luciussvartwulf6630 you sir are why we in the rest of the world assume american is a learning disability as opposed to a nationality. Did you think that was a smart comment? It wasnt. All you achieved was to convince anyone who reads it that you are so cognitively challenged that you can only be the product of inceat

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

@@IXSICNESS completely missed the point of the original comment didn't you. Then you decided to copy the concept but enlarge the circle of guilt in your mind. If you want to extrapolate that out to the widest circle, why not say that the founding fathers of this country enabled shootings for more than 200 years?

[@tarapike1108]

If I heard of a school shooting at my son's school, I would never think it was my son. I think it speaks volumes about their son that they thought it was him.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Given that mom's text "don't do it" was sent _after she heard about the school shooting_ - hence too late for him to "not" do it - I rather suspect that what she may actually have been concerned about was that he would finale by taking his own life, as most of these cowards do. As for the father's contacting the police about the "missing" gun, as the kid had had the gun all day _including when the parents were at the school_ the dad clearly wasn't concerned about the whereabouts of the gun - which, let's remember, he bought expressly for his son - and so I believe his call was also just to cover his own back.

[@charlesstockford5913]

Yet as her step son said shes a monster. She runs the place. So she had husband buy a pistol. I wonder with her record of anger problems if she is allowed to buy weapons?

[@klm4446]

Moreover, it speaks volumes about THEM.

[@klm4446]

@@charlesstockford5913 Any nut in this country can buy a weapon, that's why we have this problem.

[@malc2719]

The GOP aren’t concerned, until and unless, it’s one of their own children !? But that’s never going to happen because their children and grandchildren all attend private schools !!? They’re immune to these massacres!!

[@nance1111]

Interesting that the father went home to check for the gun and not back to the school to check on his son. Terrible parents. They are as responsible as their child.

[@MikeKing001]

Why should the school have no responsibility? They are actually trained to deal with children displaying risky behavior and did nothing.

[@eby2257]

The parents and son are in the same jail but they are separated so they qualify for the Democrats $450,000!!!!!!

[@troyb.4101]

That bad choice should cost him at least 30 years in prison!

[@mr.majestic2667]

@@MikeKing001 They called a meeting with parents on shooting day , this was early in warning signs , people forget in this country we do not screen people for potential crimes we arrest people after committing them .

[@MikeKing001]

@@mr.majestic2667 schools expel children and ban them from the premises for less every day. The idea that the school is not liable at all but the parents are is laughable.

[@hithere8140]

The family who spends prison time together, stays together ❤️

[@user-wickedflower]

Prison record isn’t just for Christmas,it’s for life 😁

[@818silencer818]

It's sickening how the mother instead of being worried about the well being of her child in an active shooter situation like all of the other parents were, the first thing that comes to her mind is that her son is the shooter and texts him not to do it. Buying a gun for him when you know your son is sick in the head is the reason the parents are being charged, as they should.

[@dougrhaminar1649]

Children should be at work if they are not at school

[@kdawson020279]

Notice that they hired expensive lawyers for themselves while the son is being represented by a public defender? Parents of the year, if the criteria is "clueless negligence that results in mass murder."

[@kdawson020279]

@@dougrhaminar1649 That's an interesting take. He was 15, most places that aren't farms won't hire people that age because of labor laws. 16 is kind of the low end of being able to work a W-2 job. I used to mow and pull weeds for extra pocket money, but I didn't get a wage-paying job until I was 16. I'm not sure that palming your kid off to an occupation is a substitute for being a parent. Do you actually have children, or are you just someone whose parents didn't want to actually parent? I say this because I have one grown child who's a mechanic and one in high school, and my younger child needs more time due to certain factors than my older son with contact with us, help with stuff, and most non-sociopathic people I know aren't just looking for ways to hasten their child's descent into low-wage employment at the expense of sleep, education, and other things. These parents didn't seem to think much at all.

[@johnathanbrown5244]

I'VE YET TO HEAR FROM A MENTAL HEALTH DOCTOR !!!!!!!!! TRUMP WAS DEEMED A PHYSOPATH YET NO ONE BELIEVES IT!!!! SO SINCE WERE ALL DIAGNOSING THIS KILLER AS MENTALLY SICK PLEASE SHOW YOUR QUALIFICATIONS !!!!!! IN THE OLD DAYS ITS CALLED (SPOILED ROTTEN) ASSUME NOTHING!!!! FUNNY FOR A CRAZY LOONY OUTTA HIS HEAD INOCENT KID ,,,,AS SOON AS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CAME HE SURRENDER,,THAT SECOND !!!!! QUICK ON HIS FEET BY SAYING THAT DRAWING WAS FOR A VIDEO GAME IM DESIGNING HUMMMMM YET HAD HE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION!!!!!! GOT CON ?? GOT FOOLED ?? OF COURSE YOU DID !!!!!!

[@kdawson020279]

@@johnathanbrown5244 Your caps lock key is stuck. No one is going to care until you fix it.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

To me (granted I'm not an attorney) it seems highly suspect that the mother automatically suspected Ethan of being the shooter when she heard there was a shooting. "Ethan, don't do it." That's a statement, it isn't even a question like "Ethan are you okay?" or even something like "Ethan, please tell me that's not you. Please call me now!" or something. It pretty firmly says the parents AUTOMATICALLY *assumed* the shooter they'd just heard about was their son. That just does not look good, IMO. They *knew* their son was capable of this, full stop. And in fact, as we all know, that very morning they'd seen the drawings and the dire words. I don't know how anyone could say these parents shouldn't be held accountable. Obviously, they very clearly knew their son was capable of a mass shooting (none of this started that morning with a drawing...this kind of thing builds, it doesn't appear out of nowhere) and what did they do in response to this? Gave him a gun, then laughed about him buying more ammo and told him to learn not to get caught at things. I can't believe there is anyone out there who thinks the parents shouldn't be on trial.

[@DavidJ222]

And he was capable of it because they bought him a lethal weapon as a Christmas gift. They totally enabled him. They should have bought him a puppy instead.

[@willybones3890]

@@DavidJ222 Or a Playstation 5. Someone that disturbed shouldn't have an animal.

[@vivalaminion2936]

@@willybones3890 You're assuming anyone get get a PS5 right now.

[@charlesstockford5913]

There are but they would have voted for Trump. Not a political statement just an observation of the type of people that have to be prepared to take on the world mentality. He catered to them for their vote.

[@maplebones]

It's just the gun nut lobby. It's always the fault of something other than the gun or the shooter. In this case the shooter's innocence extends to his parents who enabled him.

[@hilariohernandez]

The school did not know about the gun. The parents knew about the gun.

[@barbarahenninger6642]

They should have asked. Ethan told someone there that their family hobby was gun shooting.

[@granniesmith7904]

the school did know about the gun because he told them about shooting as a family hobby the day before when he got caught looking up ammo for it therefore they knew there were guns

[@trishmurphy1941]

And I suspect there are regulations about searching a student’s backpack. Would a warrant be required? Teachers have gotten into trouble before for acting on their suspicions and searching lockers etc.

[@mintvelvet3351]

The school knew

[@willybones3890]

@@trishmurphy1941 Be for real. The backpack is on school property therfore subject to search. Everyone failed in this scenario and a monster fulfilled his destiny.

[@AERIXX3]

Any time parents are complicit in these situations they should be held accountable and responsible up to and including prosecution.

[@Matt-mj3lk]

in general this makes sense but how can he be charged as an adult and his parents be considered guilty of involuntary manslaughter at the same time? Seems like the prosecutor needs to choose here, is he to be treated as an adult in this situation or not? parents do seem like idiots though

[@rogerbing5314]

@@Matt-mj3lk nothing but a dog and pony show

[@eckankar7756]

I read where his peers are saying he was bullied by classmates. Maybe had that been addressed he might not have felt the need to defend himself. Even a timid mouse, when cornered, will fight the best it knows how.

[@twt000]

​@@eckankar7756 He was not bullied, just told his Mom that because he was in trouble. Everyone at the school confirmed this.

[@hangender]

so...brian's parents....yea....

[@hypsyzygy506]

"...to make sure this never happens again..." In the USA? Are you kidding? Be serious now.

[@robertirvine7938]

As we have seen for years it is only getting worse, while republicans in Congress do nothing and always say it's too soon to mention this, let's send out thoughts and prayers.

[@GoreChyld]

Been hearing "To make sure this never happens again" since 1999. Guess whats changed, NOTHING!

[@mv-db4463]

@@robertirvine7938 Democratic congressional members OWN guns themselves AND hire people as security personnel to protect them and their families that have guns that are illegal for private citizens to own. What is the matter with you ..... DEMS and REPS are equally responsible.

[@AGamingGuitarist]

As soon as I heard that line, I laughed. What a joke. This will happen again, and will continue to happen until something fundamentally changes.

[@kuroexmachina]

@@mv-db4463 yes but DEMS do NOT actively block bills to avoid this kind of tragedy

[@bubbak435]

That's the perfect picture photo mugshots of the Crumbleys christmas card..

[@hypsyzygy506]

It'll go nicely with the one from the Kentucky congressman...

[@judywhiting4684]

Bubba k....thats funny..but terribly tragic....what despicable parents they are....RUNNING FROM THEIR SON....NOT TO HIM

[@tophat8190]

I pray that if your kid does anything in life that you will be held responsible and held to full charges as if you did it yourself !!

[@Gallagherfreak100]

@@tophat8190 : Its too late. My kids are grown up, with families and jobs. I did lock my guns up.

[@tophat8190]

@@Gallagherfreak100 You are very lucky to have had perfect children, most people do not as kids make mistakes ( not of this level of course) but make mistakes... nonetheless....

[@Poecuz]

The school should have called the police after the parents refused to take the boy out of the school.

[@maplebones]

On what grounds ? There was no evidence of a crime.

[@Kingnome]

@@maplebones There’s evidence now😉

[@Revkor]

@@maplebones we have seen them called in for less

[@maryelizabeth6797]

The parents should have been told to take their child and he would not be allowed back in until there is proof that he had been seen by a professional.

[@txrick4879]

That's why they are being charged . They could of prevented it but did not . The parents were responsible for him .

[@professorwizard4143]

The parents of Crazy kids rarely accept, or they outright deny, that their kid is crazy. Same with the parents of Bullies, they always pull the "My kid wouldn't do THAT!" card.

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

YUP...that's the card to use. It says so in the Parenting Guidebook that comes in the Cracker Jack box.

[@Dain75]

Often the parents are awful bullies themselves.

[@queenfae2182]

Unfortunately, i know my son can be a little turd. He's getting better now that the constant tension between his dad and me is gone by us not living in the same place anymore.

[@geomcc39]

This kid was not crazy ! he was pure evil.

[@jbarnhart2653]

Not these two. Mom called the kid when she figured it out. Not the school or the police.

[@bradforward850]

I've been out of Junior High for 30 yrs now and they were searching our lockers and backpacks back then even. What changed?

[@walterbo7687]

Probably a rightwing family movement that are against any government interferences in the behavior, security and education of their kids. Look at the mask mandate saga and what those type of families were against of and their narrative, behaviour and aggressive attitude

[@jilliancopeland6825]

Maybe it was suggested and the parents objected, they seem like the type that would from the text between mother and son.

[@Mr.White10-65]

@@walterbo7687 We spell "behaviour" as "behavior" here in the USA.

[@raptango_na6199]

thats right. i remember.

[@miyako1909]

@Mr. White Stop being a grammar police. And technically, he wasn't wrong. When I was in my birth country, I was taught Bristish English so even when I am in the US now, I am still using it.

[@joymorris495]

School superintendent put out a statement saying when EC was caught searching for ammo on his phone (day before shooting) he told his teacher shooting guns is a family hobby. I would assume from that he has access to guns...seems the teacher did too but not the guidance counselor.

[@granniesmith7904]

exactly. someone at the school knew about guns in the home because he told them the day before

[@fauxque5057]

They're covering their hides. Trying to push the blame on the parents.

[@leftsmith280]

Yes, and luckily, we live in a country where white conservative parents have zero problems with schools taking actions to protect the safety of the students.

[@mr.majestic2667]

@@fauxque5057 Parents rights supersede any schools right to parent any student , the blame falls on the parents what if this kid had dropped out for last 6 months and went to school anyhow and killed other students , should the school be to blame .

[@MM-pl6zi]

@LAST WILL BE THE FIRST his skin was red, not his hair.

[@brendapaws7933]

Why didn't the school call the police? That's what I what to know.

[@eckankar7756]

absolutely

[@jenvicinity9143]

Especially when the parents refused to take him home after the school told them to. How do they get to say "naw, don't think so, he's staying in class".

[@missmerbella]

Because they didn't believe he posed an imminent threat and didn't realize he had access to a gun.

[@lewisjl9867]

Police can only react when a crime is commited... At that point there was no crime so what could the police have done?

[@kcse]

The drawing itself isn’t a crime. But the school has civil tools it can use to hold that student. Such as removing him from class for an immediate evaluation to determine safety issues.

[@you2angel1]

Those beautifully young children so close to being grown 😢 So beautiful, taken. The grief is unbearable an loss to the families and to us as a society.

[@captaincrappy]

I agree. how do you feel about the victims and families and witnesses of the Christmas parade massacre?

[@jotarokujo2027]

@@captaincrappy what about buffalo supermarket shooting

[@petehernandez1476]

And I thought I was asking for too much when I said I wanted a 10-speed for Christmas. The thought of wanting a "gun", at age 15, never once entered my conscious.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

Who in their right mind buys a 15 year old child a gun? A 15 year old is not old enough to drive, not old enough to vote, not old enough to marry. Why would you buy them a gun?

[@thewholeworldisbeautiful]

You have the parents come to the school because of the drawing, you send the child back to his class, but even with a disturbing drawing the school doesn't check his person and his locker and his bag to make sure he doesn't have a gun?

[@marvelpapi5902]

Even the school faculty of Michael Myers checked his backpack

[@jasonj1376]

That point is exactly why the parents have been charged. Must distract the simple minded so they cannot realize how the school screwed up.

[@fauxque5057]

I got suspended 3 days for asking a friend "what kind of car does she drive?" as I was being ejected from class. Teacher claimed I was threatening her. I claimed I was asking my friend what kind of car his mother drove because she was my ride home. My parents knew she was giving us a ride home but the school wasn't buying it. This kid said he was going to hurt people, and couldn't stop it, and gets caught shopping for ammo yet the school sends him back to class and blames the parents for not volunteering to take him home?

[@denisetsalacopoulos3451]

Polo p

[@fdm2155]

The school has some liability but nowhere near the liability his parents have

[@VC-jb8mc]

If the staff checked the backpack they’d be sued for that too! Educators can’t win and people can’t make up their minds.

[@lindag4544]

the school getting sued, who effing cares if it could prevent a tragedy.

[@jinkang2913]

these parents are absolutely responsible for what happened and should go to prison for a long time.

[@maryjeanjones7569]

Agreed! They were the adults and knew better.

[@chasinglighttoo]

These are terrible "parents" but why would the school, having the information they did about the shooter, his drawings, searching for ammunition in class, etc., not have searched his book bag and even have police come in and do a person search. And WHY send him back into class?? Especially after all the school shootings we've had?? What a preventable horrible tragedy. So sad. My heart and prayers go out to the families and friends of the four students murdered, for seven who were injured and for all who were at the school on that horrible day.

[@Revkor]

both are to blame

[@mimiwatching]

Exactly

[@markharris61]

She told him dont do it. That knowing his intent

[@melancholygirl840]

It's about time these type of parents start being held accountable!!! None of this would of happened if this gun was properly stored!

[@ThomasMilne]

Or if they couldn't buy a gun, like here in Canada where we have one of these every twenty years Guns are the problem

[@paulbird3235]

THESE type of parent's should never be parent's PERIOD.

[@badnoxin3851]

Will this standard be held against parents of children in large inner city areas?

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

The school shouldn't be absolved of their responsibility either; it's beyond belief that having insisted the parents get him into counselling ASAP and seeing him checking for ammo and those disturbing images they then decided he was not a danger simply because he told them a lie. WTF would they expect a potential mass shooter to say? "Yes ok you got me, I was going to shoot you all LOL". And seriously, they never even asked the parent whether the kid had access to firearms? The negligence is shocking.

[@TheAnonapersons]

@@noneofyourbeeswax01 oh shut up ... blame it on the people who bought the gun and your stupid laws allowing easy access

[@iainherridge6253]

Those parents hoped that their little darling was gonna be the next kittenmouse!

[@Michael-ez3zg]

Perhaps all guns should be sold with a free accompanying box containing *"Sending You Our Thoughts and Prayers"* prepaid-postage postcards.

[@uio890138]

And knives, and baseball bats, and SUV's, and balled up fists, etc etc etc.

[@m.w.3256]

NRA should have their names and seal on the enclosure!

[@eckankar7756]

@@uio890138 kitchen knives, rope, matches, scissors

[@eby2257]

@@m.w.3256 The Democrat BLM terrorist in Wi. that killed six white people used an SUV!!!!!

[@earthling4214]

@@eby2257 I know you're desperate to defend the holy gun paradigm.....but take a very deep breath. No one is ever coming for your guns so you can go ahead and educate yourself on the statistics on gun violence in this country. Every year the FBI publishes all the homicides from all the various methods you mention....you can start there and proceed. And dont do what Breibart did and just list the rifles statistic and leave out the other categories of guns. It's divided up.

[@octavia2]

It's not hard. Stop the public having guns. Every other civilised country can manage it. Otherwise stop pretending that this isn't an inevitable consequence.

[@romulus_]

it is hard. the genie's out of the bottle.

[@andreaperry938]

The parents were contacted twice within 4 days of them buying their 15 year old a gun.

[@gigi9467]

It wasnt bought for the kid

[@knowjusticeknowpeace1478]

@@gigi9467 yeah it was.

[@chasinglighttoo]

@@gigi9467 It was bought for the shooter as a Christmas present. Great present for a 15 year old with issues. Yeah. Peace on Earth

[@gigi9467]

@@chasinglighttoo huh… am not against the gift but definitely something he should have locked up and to be used with parental supervision..

[@eckankar7756]

I got a .22 rifle for Christmas when I was 7. Should my parents been put in jail? I never shot anyone maybe that's the difference.

[@eckankar7756]

1961: do unto others as you would want them to do unto you 2021: don't get caught.

[@vinceoleyar9411]

Also... 1963 JFK 2021 Lets Go Brandon

[@werone696]

Schools and their staff are among the lowest paid and we want them to be therapists, police, counselors, all while paying for their supplies out of pocket. Did school or any of their staff purchased the gun, left the gun unlocked in a drawer, and they didn't tell the shooter to "Not to get caught" 🙄 People want to cry that the school didn't check his backpack, yet the parents were right there and didn't check it as well. And just as an example if they had checked his backpack and didn't find anything, people would be crying that they violated his rights. This is why we can't get good qualified school staff. Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't.

[@johnsonsandra8069]

I couldn't agree more....the parents knew about the gun ...it's easy now to say the school should have done this or that ...guess the way they handle violent pictures kids draw might need to be addressed differently but then you get people screaming freedom of speech ...we have sick gun culture in the USA....period!!!

[@davidpage7900]

I appreciate, and fully agree. Then there's the legal: Everyone seems unaware that there is the legal fact that students, though under-age, are still citizens of USA. As such, they have all the same basic legal rights as adults. So as to the question: Can the school be sued, either criminally *or* in civil court? If I were a lawyer, I would feel highly embarrassed if I lost either case. If a police officer pulls someone over for speeding... and he sees an artwork somewhere in the car which they think that an occupant is responsible for... or even if they notice that someone inside the car is looking up ammunition for firearms on his cellphone while the driver is being issued a speeding ticket... can they arrest? detain? Demand that the car remain after the ticket was written just to hear a 5-minute lecture? The answer is no. That would violate the citizen's rights (of course). So why should a school have such power that even a police officer, who's primary goal is safety (rather than teaching)? I am certain that saying "kids are special!" ... isn't a legal argument.

[@maggiemims5063]

All parents of kid's with gun violations should be held accountable for the actions!

[@AOIKAZEGA]

Agreed. Although I wonder why a recent school shooter was released 24 hours after?

[@granniesmith7904]

parents are jailed if their kids dont go to school seems they should be jailed if their kid goes to school and shoots it up...just my opinion

[@Juliet_Capulet]

@@AOIKAZEGA ​ @M3TAL C what school shooter? ETA: Oh, okay, I found him. I don't know except it wasn't random, there was a fight first, he WAS arrested immediately, he is detained at home and he is going to be tried. There hadn't been any indication beforehand that he had a gun or that he intended to shoot anyone (and it seems like he didn't intend to shoot, it happened during the fight). Nobody died, either, thank God. That doesn't make it okay, it just makes it a different situation, and again, it's not like he got "sent home" and all's well. I'm sure he's going to be locked up for a good, long time. I mean he'd use the Rittenhouse "it was self-defense" excuse and since he was currently being beaten up it would make sense, but...you know...well, I mean, one look and we all know why that won't fly in court.

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

F L I N T, Mich., Sept. 11, 2000 -- The man accused of allowing a 6-year-old boy access to the gun police say was used to shoot first-grader Kayla Rolland was sentenced today to two to 15 years in prison.

[@kdawson020279]

@Diana Beebe Sadly, this is one of a precious few. Nobody brings up the fact that discharging a weapon within a K-12 building is a federal crime, as well as the fact that parents/adults who own guns commit a federal offense when they give a child a handgun not within the exceptions to the law, and if the kid goes on to commit s crime with the gun it can result in 10 years in federal prison [18 USC § 922(x) and parts of 18 USC § 924, collectively known as the Youth Handgun Safety Act. Every gun bought from a dealer must be accompanied by a yellow ATF YHSA information pamphlet and a [usually underwhelming] gun lock.

[@kathyadair8552]

Thank you! That's extremely encouraging News to those of US to the North. I attended Hurley Hospital's School of Nursing there, for 1 year, decades ago. I'm soo sorry for what Failed "BIZman," Former (R) Gov. Rick Snyder DID to that poor city! (And to Our State, in 8 years!) And that Taxpayers will be footing his legal bills of, probably, $$$25M?? - up from "$17M," the last I saw, when I learned his case will be going to Jury trial. (Maybe, several+ months, ago. ??)

[@jc.938]

These parents thought they were clear of charges but ran like scared cats when charged! Poor excuse of character!

[@Rocket_Man.]

They should learn how not to get caught!

[@anthonycannatajr9482]

It's about time the parents of minor offenders, especially those who allegedly murder, are charged; parents are responsible for their minor children!

[@bryanb3352]

not criminally responsible. No one is criminally liable for others' actions even though that's what you crazies want. You want to just be able to lock up people for disagreeing with you.

[@vampireslayer1989]

In this case, the child was underage to have a gun. On social media, the parents made it very clear that this gun was a gift made available to the child. Lock them up and throw away the key.

[@robertirvine7938]

@@bryanb3352 His parents bought the gun, knew he had the gun and mother texted this murderer 'don't get caught'...I enjoy you see this as disagreeing, it shows what a fool you are.

[@bryanb3352]

@@vampireslayer1989 But he didn't own a gun and it's not a crime for parents to buy a gun for their child... but lock them up because you don't like them right?

[@bryanb3352]

@@robertirvine7938 So what's the crime? I know you nuts think things you don't like are crimes but you're wrong.

[@Edward-lf7ms]

If a child is under 18......parents are responsible for their actions.....period!

[@KitEKat-io9vu]

The loved ones of the deceased and the survivors must be furious. Nothing screams "I love my son" more than going on the run when your ill child has just been arrested and is behind bars.

[@muley101]

Mama needs Jail time and Plenty of It, what a Reaction. Kick Back answer " just Don't Get caught"!!!

[@stephaniebilansky5238]

One of the pictures said "help me". Should have been sent for immediate psych evaluation at the hospital.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Just setting up his defence of mental stress, it's evident that he had no intention of killing himself so a few years in a secure hospital and then back home is the plan. If it was genuinely a call for help, well he got a reaction and was spoken with but denied it all. I wouldn't believe a word of anything that any of that snake's nest of a family say.

[@JackT81]

If that's the case...we also need to hold the school/administration accountable for allowing a student they deemed unstable to attend the school. Students are expelled for lesser issues.

[@Joernfm]

ohh you mean that you have do have to make sure you weapons are not used in a crime , by your family ?

[@yarazooom]

whatever happened to ZERO TOLERANCE ? school officials should have expelled him immediately. if parents FAIL then school should step in to PROTECT students from DEATH. no brainer

[@kdawson020279]

There will be lawsuits. Big lawsuits. Criminal exposure is not impossible for the school. The parents violated the Youth Handgun Safety Act, amongst other laws, but the school underreacted when they usually overreact.

[@thats_mr_b_]

The term “unstable” was never used, that would be a different situation.

[@kdawson020279]

@@thats_mr_b_ At my son's school, a student just got a two-week suspension for suggesting he was thinking about committing an act of violence at the school with a lot of conditions for return. Then again, on Jan 21, 1985, a kid walked into the high school with an M1 Garand and killed the principal and targeted other students before being subdued. They don't take unnecessary risks.

[@TheOfficialZombieWhisperer]

I wish that that boy would have had almost anyone else for parents, I completely blame his parents.

[@whereisyourhumanity7557]

What if the parents had taken him home? They refused to take him after the school meeting; what if they had taken him home? Would he have killed them, instead? Maybe they had a bad feeling.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

@@whereisyourhumanity7557 Maybe he would have killed them instead, yes. Who knows? But they were the ones encouraging an obviously sick kid by buying him something that could murder people. They "resisted" the idea of even a psychiatrist. What would have happened to parents encouraging murderous tendencies would have been what happened to them. But they were culpable. Those poor kids and the kids' families weren't.

[@LotsofLisa]

Yes. But I blame the school too. They had an actual drawing of the warning.

[@willybones3890]

Morons raised a monster. Armed him and set him loose.

[@TheOfficialZombieWhisperer]

@@willybones3890 I have a son very much like him and I got help now he is in China teaching English, I wish that I had been him mom I would have done something appropriate.

[@ROOKTABULA]

I look at that thumbnail and the only thought that comes to my mind: "We need to start licensing and regulating breeding."

[@Edward-lf7ms]

The parents set all of this in motion!!!

[@IXSICNESS]

The pro gun people set all.of this in motion with their refusal to adopt any common sense regulations and restrictions; which have been proven to be effective every where else in the world.

[@Alritealritealrite]

@@IXSICNESS blah blah blah. What a ridiculous thing to say. Gun control wouldn't have stopped this man from buying a gun and giving it to his kid. He broke the law by buying his kid a gun genius

[@IXSICNESS]

@@Alritealritealrite if he couldn't buy a gun he couldn't have bought one for his child genius. Jebus talk about a smooth brain comment

[@Alritealritealrite]

@@IXSICNESS so what would make it so he couldn't buy one then genius? You can't just take people's rights away for no reason.

[@jimmyrecard5056]

@@Alritealritealrite The US have 4 times the amount of murders per capita than the UK, thats the difference between the kid having a knife and stabbing one person before being restrained and having a gun and mowing 4 people down. Thats the difference gun control laws can make.

[@okd521]

See you next week in another town covering virtually the exact same story every week for the next 50 years! Until we do something about our gun problem!

[@k333rl]

people problem not a gun problem. same as cars and forks. don't punish the tool and ignore the person behind it.

[@youcrazycat1]

@@k333rl guns don't shoot themselves.

[@earthling4214]

@@k333rl Isnt it such an amazing coincidence that the only "first world" country with all the rampant gun violence is the one that buys into your paradigm.

[@k333rl]

@@earthling4214 interesting that we are the only country with the 2a?

[@bryanb3352]

Why do you think it's a gun problem and what do you want done?

[@maunezalyons7188]

I have so many emotions running through me right now! This is so senseless on the parents part. Why would you buy your child a gun. Children do not have the mental capacity to deal with their raging hormones at this age so why would you think he would have the ability for cause and effect. What I’m trying to say is parents should never buy guns for their children and parents should be responsible Gun owners themselves, keep them locked up! He should be tried as an adult, the parents should be charged, the school should also be charged for missing all the red flags. Parents if you know you have a problematic child who is obsessed with killing, murders, and acting out, MY GOD DONT BE AFRAID TO CALL THE POLICE! that goes for the school taking action as well. I’m sick to my stomach over this. For the record I’m not anti-gun. I just believe children should never own a gun while living at home.

[@thephoenix9303]

The NRA and GOP send thoughtlessness and prayers.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

@Nap Time Literally nobody cheered that. (And it was not "black supremacist." They haven't even found a motive yet. He may have just literally been nuts.) The fact that that's where your head went points to you being the one who laughs at and cheers murder. Nobody else does. Don't blame the world for your own thoughts.

[@cheesehead4670]

The fact that the school officials didn’t get the SRO involved, check his backpack/locker seems glaringly egregious to me. My son and 6 of his friends were all searched in middle school, because one of the friends they sat with at lunch “had a lighter and they were talking about owning each other money” so they “must be selling drugs”. If administrators can make that leap, surely these ones can for a drawing a shooting & searching for ammo. Actual concerning behavior. When I tell you these kids were searched, I mean their shoes, lockers, backpacks, persons etc. there wasn’t one stone left unturned. What could be the difference??? 🙄

[@tobiramasenju6290]

Glaringly erroneous?

[@davidkeogh1570]

Paying tribute to dead students is of no value,doing something about guns is of enormous value.

[@lazarusdarkstar3015]

Wow I’m still freaking surprised she told him “don’t get caught “😶

[@eckankar7756]

1961: do unto others as you would want them to do unto you 2021: don't get caught.

[@peterhatch6418]

I think his mother said “do not do it”?

[@Gallagherfreak100]

That was said in relation to him shopping for ammo on his phone. You can not legally buy, mail order ammo unless you are 21 years old.

[@ErichHans]

The same thing is always said, "we need to make sure a tragedy like this never happens again." How can we make sure a tragedy like this never happens again when we never do anything about it? A school shooting happens, people are "shocked," they send "thoughts and prayers," argue that we need change, then change doesn't happen, and then people forget until another school shooting happens. I'm sick of this, and I'm sick of empty words being spouted by politicians. We need laws, strict laws, laws that will be heavily enforced. We also need politicians that are not just rhetoric but are actually willing to fight for the children of this country. No one should be afraid to go to school or any large gathering because they might get killed. I'm absolutely disgusted with this constant inaction from the people with power.

[@Protect_all_ljf3forms]

You can make all the laws you want it only punishes those who follow them. That does not fix the problem. Honestly I think you need to take a class on gun safety mandatory with proof of completion before you can buy one. Simple barriers stop people from doing things. This won’t do anything about the millions of illegal firearms from the drug cartels and the like. Punish criminals not law abiding people

[@marcelblock2454]

@@Protect_all_ljf3forms in this particular case the gun was legally purchased.

[@gedjones5977]

Not you Erich you have seen the light and I think you know the ease of obtaining firearms is at the forefront of American society’s problems.

[@ErichHans]

@@Protect_all_ljf3forms The issue is how easily people can get weapons that are built for mass murder. Why would anyone need something like that? Also, this is an uniquely American problem. It's not because we happen to have more criminals than other industrialized democracies, but that we are way too lenient on guns and gun ownership. Why do European countries only have a mass shooting event only in extremely rare circumstances? It's because they have extremely strict gun policies. This school shooting was not a matter of "gun safety." I'm sure that even if the parents were forced to attend a class like that they would still have been negligent and horrible parents. Same with the kid. He wanted to murder people. The best way to prevent this, is by making it difficult for people to get guns. This works in so many other countries which is why it seems like that never have mass shootings whereas we seem to have them all the time.

[@hypsyzygy506]

@@Protect_all_ljf3forms It's not a matter of politicians not doing anything about it. It's a matter of politicians actively refusing to do anything about it, and actively opposing and hindering and demonising anyone who does try to do anything about it. Everyone knows who they are.

[@shetoniateeteewilliams8387]

With all the active shooting drill the schools have to do. When parents has to be called in for simular behavior the schoold should be required to ASK the parents if the child has access to a weapon. The child should be searched (on person and locker) and still sent home.

[@ladyarrow2169]

100% correct.

[@granniesmith7904]

they knew he had access to a gun because he told them so when he got caught looking up ammo for it

[@audimaster5000]

@@granniesmith7904 I didn’t realize that. Told who? I suspect the parents were not open to the school administration about firearms being unlocked and accessible in their home. I’m speculating though

[@charlesstockford5913]

Absolutely. They did just that 30 years ago with my son and it wasn't anywhere near this serious. They even got Social Services involved. The school didn't understand that my kids had just to live with me and they spent their school years before in the US military. Step dad was lifer in the Army.

[@harveyjackson2802]

AA

[@henriettawight5216]

Make sure it never happens again. Somebody says that every time it happens

[@imatugwaddle2291]

"LOL. Just don't get caught!" Great advice, Mommy.

[@wonderfulwenna2710]

I would think these parents had a really good idea what their son was thinking about,they seemingly pointed him in that direction Imo.Sounds odd.

[@jenvicinity9143]

@@wonderfulwenna2710 I'm guessing they were getting ready for the civil war so many seem to romanticize.

[@JRoss-zxzx]

5:10 the cowardly 'parents' made sure they were safe first. Probably didn't bring him home as they were worried he'd go after them.

[@kcse]

As happened with the Sandy Hook shooter. He killed his mom as well. And she supplied him the gun he used and took him to the range to learn how to shoot it. Bought him the ammo. Had she survived she could’ve been criminally charged and certainly would’ve had civil liability as well

[@jubbins64]

The officials from the school should have suspended him until they get him counseling.

[@mimiwatching]

Whatever happened to school psychologists?

[@mimiwatching]

How horrific what he did, and also how he asked for help and never got it!

[@4NickAder]

@@mimiwatching public school psychologists disappeared with the conservative's investor tax cuts

[@klm4446]

They bowed down to ignorant, a hole parents instead of protecting everyone else's kids. Hope the school gets charged and sued after his parents get the maximum sentences.

[@kathyadair8552]

@dan mac I did. - And the school sounds like Civil suits, not, criminal, are fair game against the school. Because they neglected to Call 911 - after the parents refused to take their kid with them.

[@kb5905]

So sad. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾. RIP to all the kids. Buys a 15 year old a gun for Christmas unreal.

[@johnpenley]

There's already been precedent in Michigan over this same charge. Look up the Jamelle James case

[@locke3862]

Well! There it is. However I’m pretty sure the courts are gonna throw life in prison at the parents instead 2-15 years.. A few different factors in the cases and the world is a lot more politically charged these days. They didn’t charge the boy in that case. They are charging the kid as an adult in this one, AND charging the parents.. Thanks for posting that case though!

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

Good call. I'm going to post the first paragraph from that news story so others can also see there is a precident already set here.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

How interesting (and horrible, really). The parent of a 6-year-old who got a hold of his father's gun. The father is serving 2 to 15 years for involuntary manslaughter and that dad didn't "give" his child a gun "as a Christmas present," it was simply negligence...I think. I need to keep researching that because it only comes up as a blurb.

[@johnathandavis3693]

Yes- but Jamelle James was black. These people are white + gun + Michigan + Trumpism 2021. They are about to become Right-Wing heroes. Watch them walk...Justice is arbitrary in post-Trump America...

[@angieg2561]

That was with a 6 year old not a 15 year old who was charged as an adult.

[@robechlin643]

If you as a parent or guardian buy a gun for yourself or your kid you should be held responsible for any crime they commit with that weapon until there 18 years of age. It's not only a matter of good parenting , it's a matter of responsibility for your child.

[@sqr2024]

Do you agree with 16 year olds voting?

[@AT-jm4dl]

The school should've demanded that the kid be put into counseling immediately. They gave the parent 48 hours to do it;That was insane. Also, once the parents refused to meet the school demand, the kid should've not been allowed back into the classroom, certainly not without before patting him down and searching his backpack. I know hindsight is 20/20, but the teachers were really disturbed by the kid's drawing, so to let him back into the classroom that same morning was just plain wrong.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

well, no psychiatrist is going to allow walk-ins, unless you're suggesting commitment. To me 48 hours seems reasonable given the little the school knew and even then so few doctors will take a patient that quickly (they'll say "if it's an emergency go to the emergency room"). BUT he should also have been expelled until the counseling happened. That's the mystery - why they bought his "it's just a video game idea" excuse and allowed him back into class, if they thought it was so serious that they threatened the parents with CPS.

[@Poecuz]

The police should have been called as soon as the parents refused take him out of school.

[@opmules2574]

Well the parents didn't reveal to school that they recently bought him a “Christmas present”, pretty sure if they were privy to that knowledge they would have called an officer and detained the kid right there and then. Especially with that drawing.

[@suehowie152]

Well you do have to find one first..

[@yardmanvibes3559]

Until we begin to hold parents accountable for enabling free access to guns and encouraging these demented behaviour then we won't begin to deter these atrocious acts. Let's set an example for all ......I applaud the Procecution for getting these indictments against the parents.

[@Revkor]

the gun is NOT the problem the fact is the paretns were so blind to what their kid was and never got him the help he needed. both them and the school are responsible

[@georgemckenna7574]

It is heartbreaking in this modern age that people are acting like it is 1000 BC. Killing today is unbelievable and it seems that these killings are simply on a whim. OUTRAGEOUS and sickening.

[@GCJACK83]

The parents are culpable for providing a firearm that was kept unsafely stored to their sixteen year old child who legally cannot concealed carry a firearm until the age of 21 per Federal law, and for failing to pull their son from class to take him to counseling to get his head sorted out. The school itself is culpable for not seizing the kid's backpack to dump the contents in front of the parents to search it for any weapons. The parents should have been told when the kid was brought into the room with them: "This is what's going to happen. We're going to bring his backpack in, dump the contents onto the floor, and search through the contents. If we find any weapons, the police will be called and the possession of a concealed weapon will become a criminal matter under state and federal law. However, you can pull him out for the day, take him to a psychiatrist, and get him psychologically evaluated and the police will not be called in if you do that".

[@sellingacoerwa8318]

Why don't we charge the guy who sold them a ice cream cone earlier in the day for good measure... we can cite the Twinkie Defense as precedent. This is turning into a Witch hunt.

[@markharris61]

Like RITTENHOUSE WILL BE RECHARGED AFTER THIS TRIAL

[@markharris61]

cul·pa·ble /ˈkəlpəb(ə)l/ Learn to pronounce adjective deserving blame. "sometimes you're just as culpable when you watch something as when you actually participate

[@Juliet_Capulet]

@Peoples Republic of Ninj why wasn't the drawing grounds? He literally wrote that the "thoughts won't stop," that life is nothing and he wrote "help me." It wasn't just a gory drawing. It was an admission that he was that far off the edge.

[@darkred1686]

@Peoples Republic of Ninj A genuine question, I'm not trying to attack your point, but do you have a link to what the actual laws are regarding this specific school searching his belongings? I attended middle school in a district where one school in particular had metal detectors and full-time police officers assigned to it and any student was subject to search who couldn't pass the metal detectors with out accounting for every metal object they had on them. But I understand this school exists in an area where this isn't the norm, so I have no idea how the law works in that situation.

[@Angeliss77]

If the parents would've just took him home none of this would've ever happened. So horrible what a tragedy.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Given what has come out thus far I would respectfully disagree - this kid with those parents in this environment was a time bomb and only the time of the inevitable explosion would have changed.

[@Alritealritealrite]

The parents and the school should be held accountable

[@ScienceBitch123]

It wouldn't have happened that day but it would have happened eventually

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

@@noneofyourbeeswax01 maybe when we hear of kids killing their parents, we should look to this case and wonder if the kid was just doing the world a favor.

[@luisdeleon9819]

@@ScienceBitch123 American schools have become shooting galleries. They could analyze each case to death but the outcome is the same.

[@lastchancemonicam3948]

It's about time parents are being tried for the crimes of their kids. We need better access to parenting classes, how to discipline, how to parent, how to reward, etc. With proper care, this wouldn't have happened.

[@enigma1331e]

72 hour psychiatric evaluation hold for anyone showing self harm or harm to others.

[@jasonwhitaker4883]

As a pro gun person and having rifles as a kid throughout our house. No 15 year old needs a hand gun.

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

Yeah and no 15 year old needs a $1000 iPhone or $200 Nike shoes but this is not about need. That has been a problem for more than 20 years now - helping kids understand the difference between *wants* and *needs*. And then here you come with a statement like this. To many parents have coddled their kids, been a friend instead of a parent, bought them anything they want and much they didn't, and never taught them how to earn anything. When kids grow up with an entitlement attitude, they *need* everything - when you hear them tell it. They _need it because Susy has it_ or they _need to do it because all the other kids are doing it_. They don't understand _WANT_ because they have never wanted for anything. It was always provided. Saying no is an important part of teaching children that they can’t have everything that they want (even if it’s affordable). Often what children really do need is not provided at all by the parents because even as adults we can get confused by wants and needs. How do we explain it to children if we don't have a good handle on it ourselves. For instance, we all need food for survival but we don't need ice cream, potato chips, soda pop, & donuts etc. While we may _want_ some or all on that list, we don't actually need any of it for survival so they must go into the "Wants" column. One thing that really helps is for ALL adults to start using the proper vocabulary, especially around children. Stop saying things like "I need to go to the golf course today" when what you should say is: "I want to go..." Don't say things like: "You need to do that properly" when what you should say is: "I want you to do that properly." Children NEED your attention. They need your love and respect. But most importantly, they NEED your guidance. You don't NEED to buy your son a handgun. But if you WANT to buy him a handgun, then you NEED to provide proper guidance and you NEED to be responsible for what happens with that gun.

[@k333rl]

@@Rx_Bluegrass well said.

[@Sbannmarie]

Why is it harder to get a library card than a gun? Someone please tell me. Anyone... anyone?

[@stevencharron3866]

It's not.

[@christopherclark4038]

clearly you have never applied for a gun annmarie.. lmao

[@stevencharron3866]

@@christopherclark4038 It literally can take HOURS. LMFAO! and Don't some states have a waiting period of days?

[@lynnyhen]

The school is absolutely complicit!!

[@generalpopulation6273]

some folks are just not capable of parenthood...

[@sarabeth8050]

Will the Crumbleys be allowed to keep their extensive MAGA hat collection in prison? 🤡 Chumps for Chump! 🤡

[@DB-kj7mv]

What a lovely looking family... do they hate combs? They all look like they just woke up...

[@friscokid4320]

Just look at the evil in all their eye's.

[@Gallagherfreak100]

Especially, the enabling mother. The father's ex wife said the mother "ruled the roost".

[@thatguymcfly2835]

Ugh I wouldn't want them living in my neighborhood based just off their looks

[@roxannetomlin3113]

Parents have GOT to start paying attention to their children ……… PERIOD!!!

[@luciussvartwulf6630]

the last time parents started paying attention to their children, the Teachers Union sent a letter to President Biden comparing them to domestic terrorists.

[@jamesl9371]

Almost everyone in the USA has access to guns. That’s the problem

[@cammimitchell7626]

I can definitely understand holding the school administration accountable. I'm sure there are more friends that aided in the parents attempts escape. There are layers to this travesty.

[@evilrellik]

Would the school admin even have authority to search the teenagers backpack for the gun if they thought he might have had it?

[@johnrodriguez8253]

What kind of parent buys a gun to his/her teenager knowing how things are going nowadays! At least keep it out of reach until going to a gun range...! These are clearly narrowminded people!

[@davidblah-7215]

Parents of the Year

[@theskyehiker]

It gives me hope that the parents might be held responsible for their part in this horrible event

[@keenanschouten2582]

They won't be convicted. The charge is for show.

[@TheInsaneupsdriver]

up to 60 years, i doubt any jury will be kind to them either.

[@bryanb3352]

What was their part?

[@bryanb3352]

@@TheInsaneupsdriver Is that the standard you want? We just convict people you don't like no matter what the law actually says?

[@mr.majestic2667]

@@keenanschouten2582 In civil court they will lose based on the evidence .

[@O-SNOOPY-SNOOP]

THE DAYS OF PARENTS PLAYIN' THE DUMMY CARD ARE OVER IT!!🤣😅😂

[@territ1231]

When the mom said "Don't do it" did she know he had the gun and was going to shoot?

[@grandma3pets749]

She texted that when she had already heard what was happening. She knew immediately that it was her kid. Maybe she just wanted him to give himself up instead of being shot by the police.

[@lindag4544]

I think she suspects it already happened, just didn’t want him to shoot himself

[@cwilson9636]

I'm so sick of the word "allegedly" being used. Go read the definition again. "Allegedly" does not fit here when 4 young teens have lost their lives and others have been injured. RIP in dear Angels🙏🕯🕯🕯🕯🧸

[@patrickpschaefer]

True, but the law also does state "innocent until proven guilty" so until a trial and a conviction...

[@MartiStLys]

Why does it feel like the mother encouraged the boy to settle scores at the end of a gun, and left him there knowing he was likely to act that day? ..whatever the case may be, the prosecutor seems to be holding back on some kind of evidence/info about the parents that appear to point in that general direction, imo.

[@barbarahenninger6642]

I wonder what she meant when she texted him, "Don't do it, Ethan."? It implies they had had discussions of something relating to what he did at the school. My first thought was that she thought he might commit suicide, but of course I don't know what was in their minds at the time.

[@williameddy1662]

@@barbarahenninger6642 By 12:55 on Tuesday , November 30 , the kid had killed 4 people , and had been arrested . The mother texted 22 minutes later , at 1:17 . After another 15 minutes later , at 1:37 , the father called the police to say that his son might be the shooter . I think , and no, I don`t know , that this was "clean up " by the parents . Had he discussed his plans with them , or , left them a note ?

[@Juliet_Capulet]

There are a few reasons. To me, a huge blinking light is that immediately upon hearing there was a shooting at the school and not knowing who the shooter was, the mother texted "Ethan, don't do it." She AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED her son was the shooter. Without even having checked to find out yet that the gun was missing. What does that say? To me it says she 100% knew her son was capable of an act that murderous...and in response she bought him a gun and later texted him laughing comments about learning to do bad things and not get caught.

[@MartiStLys]

@@Juliet_Capulet Exactly right! I also heard one of the officer say that there had been problems at the school between their son and others the previous month during one of the press conference. My gut tells me she encouraged him to deal w his problems at school-assuming he had significant ones-with violence. ..leaving him there knowing how he felt, then going on the run after the boy has been arraigned AND the prosecutor s stance on the whole thing?! Red flags everywhere!!

[@Juliet_Capulet]

@@MartiStLys Oh man. This just gets sadder and sicker. I know everyone wants to hate this child but I think about what kind of household he may have been living in, all the evidence of the parents not caring, the way they abandoned him after they saw him write "help me" and then abandoned him again to the wolves (so to speak) while they ran off to save their own skins inside a warehouse...I just can't imagine how bad things may have been for this kid nor how helpless he felt by this point. Combine this with being taught violence, being handed a gun, and being taught to do bad things and not get caught...then dealing with "bad thoughts" he couldn't stop...and now...tragedy for everyone. For a huge amount of people, entire families of those dead children, for Ethan himself...for everyone but the parents who just want to save their own *sses and watch their kid go to prison.

[@christinamangelo]

Its like looking at devils and their spawn!

[@superdrizzle7342]

They bought that kid a gun for Xmas and bragged about it on Facebook, lock em up.

[@mikew6060]

That is not against the law especially when the gun is in the parents room and the kid took it

[@randmayfield5695]

I don't think anyone in this family owns a comb or a brush. All three have "jungle boogie" hair dos.

[@MrDisneyCollector]

That carefree "on the lam' look

[@labspeciman7402]

Suspected murderer? You mean it may have been someone else? Nope.

[@JSkyGemini]

He's a mass murderer at this point.

[@basildon5263]

"Never happens again." How hollow this sounds. If he hadn't had a gun. If he didn't have access to a gun. If there wasn't a gun there in the first place.

[@davidconnell1959]

When “Not guilty” is a three-syllable substitute for “I did it.”

[@mvvpro8688]

If they don't hold the school accountable for letting this happen while there were so many warning signs, it will keep happening on other schools.

[@jamesmoore3694]

it is time to hold all adults respocible for their actions

[@markmierzejewski9354]

Not respocible..😆 🤣

[@angelas3883]

"He didn't know they were fugitives?" Bullcrap... why did they withdraw money then run??? YES THEY BOTH KNEW THEY WERE FUGITIVES!!! And how can you actually defend anyone like this... the lawyer is complacent to their actions in my opinion...

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Stop treating children as if they were adults and less you’re willing to hold them and charge them as if they were adults

[@k333rl]

that's part of the issue here. we've raised generations of kids with zero consequences. the issue is with the kids and not the tool.

[@eckankar7756]

I got a .22 rifle for Christmas when I was 7 years old. I never shot anyone, though.

[@tomosborne9314]

Where's the "news" about the Parade Murders??? Is it the Wrong Narrative for msnbc???

[@jennacca13]

Yes, just what we need. Stronger backpack laws.

[@robertlee4172]

They thought it was a good idea to buy their depressed 15 year old son a semi auto handgun for Christmas? Kept in an unlocked drawer? Ignore the urgent warnings from school staff? "LOL" texts from mom to son just before the mass killing spree? Well I'm sorry, but this group doesn't garner any sympathy from Americans, let alone the whole world. A made for TV series couldn't have dreamed up a better plotline. Crumbley's ex wife weighed in yesterday. Another glimpse in the horror story of a deadbeat dad who withheld $67 dollars a month in child support. FOR THE FULL 18 YEARS!!!!

[@taniamans2026]

Laws must be changed. Its horrific that there is not laws to lock up firearms

[@Revkor]

the issue is if there is a sudden breaking you lose seconds unlocking the gun

[@dsp6373]

I see one point that needs to be asked: did the school ask the parents if the teen had access to a gun. It should be a standard question after finding those drawings.

[@paulbird3235]

The police should have been brought in automatically. Have they learnt NOTHING.

[@dsp6373]

@@paulbird3235 I’m going to speculate and suggest that perhaps the school did in fact ask the question but his parents lied, making their criminal liability go through the roof beyond even the charge of involuntary manslaughter they’re facing. That might explain her text message to him saying lol and not to get caught next time because it was very close this time. I’m not going to be surprised if during his trial more facts come out as to the lies the mother and father made that contributed to the murders.

[@dsp6373]

@@paulbird3235 that aside, the online foot print of the mother is quite disturbing with delusional stuff about Trump.

[@paulbird3235]

@@dsp6373 Although we will never know ,seems as if this family could have been led on by the MAGA brigade .

[@dsp6373]

@@paulbird3235 unfortunately Trump can’t be given the credit of creating these monsters, the country had them before he ran for office in 2015, but Trump did weaponize their illness and hate for his political and personal benefit, making them and so so so many like them across swaths of the country his supporters and foot soldiers, and now we are in a very big mess.

[@KA-yw7zj]

All I wanna know is why they want these parents in jail... kyle rittenhouse's friend isn't in jail... no school shooter's parents was ever arrested... so why these folks????

[@clarenceruruku9002]

Accountability for this tradegy lies with the parents..not the school..the parents are guilty of negligence

[@fia8079]

The parents refused to take him home at which time he was allowed to go back to class !! THE SCHOOL HELD A MEETING TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND LET HIM BACK TO CLASS !!! THE SCHOOL FAILED KEEPING EVERYONE IN THE SCHOOL SAFE BY NOT DEMANDING THEY TAKE THEIR SON HOME !! THE SCHOOL SHOULD ALSO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR INACTION !!!!!

[@Rx_Bluegrass]

Don't fool yourself...the school has money. A Civil lawsuit will likely follow the criminal case. OR the school will settle with the parents of the victims out of court and out of public view - just to avoid the lawsuit that is sure to come.

[@angelhart1846]

@@fia8079 Did they know he had a gun ? Nobody checked the backpack and that includes the parents.