Why Modern Japanese Sports Cars Aren't Living Up to Expectations

[@ljphoenix4341]

One thing we should all agree on is that the 370Z is overpriced and outdated. Good car but you shouldn't buy one new. In my opinion anyways.

[@dew62169]

100% agree. The 370Z is 10 years old now with almost no changes happening between then and now. Why pay 35 grand for a new 370 when you could pay 15 for the exact same car but with a smaller infotainment screen?

[@AnthroGearhead]

35,000$ will get you 3 good conditioned 300ZX Turbos

[@masashiiino6914]

I'd rather get a used 370z no joke

[@elsaramos3868]

You kinda sound like dough demuaro

[@masashiiino6914]

Dough donatsu

[@zephyrgolem]

Evo 5 was sooooo nice back then. Wish they would bring Evo's back and not as a SUV

[@sergiogomez4289]

Zeke250 yet it was never available in the U.S. so us U.S. citizens only got the Evo 9 closest

[@zephyrgolem]

@@sergiogomez4289 rip I know

[@AnthroGearhead]

If Mitsubishi bought all the Evo models to the US , it would have been a huge problem for GM , FORD and Dodge Motor Co

[@dlozza2000]

Chouun Shiryu eh I don’t think so

[@AnthroGearhead]

They have more offroad capability than those american 4x4s XD

[@AzaanPD]

I want Honda to bring the s2000 back

[@calvin3448]

If they don’t, you could always buy a gt86 or a brz. Or you could get a used s2000.

[@jamaljones6568]

Calvin s2000 are way too expensive in my area

[@calvin3448]

Shannon Sharpe Yes. Not “expensive”, but they hold their value really well. Although an frs, brz, or gt86 are pricier, you can find them used for about the Same price but newer.

[@AlexEstrada300]

They should still my dream car

[@hyri3188]

Azaan PD Honda actually still has the S Line „S660“ but it’s only in Japan lol

[@martyn_g]

MX5. It still lives up to expectations- the ND is the second lightest made, and has one of the best gearboxes you can buy. Manual option by far is the top seller

[@NishantDash]

Good point but here's the big thing that people always gloss over: Even back in the 90s, these Japanese sports cars didn't sell too well and competition from Eu and USA were always there. We only appreciate them so much because we look at them with rose-tinted glasses and the fact that they're more raw as compared to modern equivalents. Bone stock cars from the 90s weren't exactly spectacular. M3s came more potent from the factory than some GTRs.

[@AnthroGearhead]

The M3 is a drivers car , the GTR isnt

[@andrewmayer2443]

Nishant Dash spotted

[@srijangupta.automobile6320]

Nishant Dash spotted.

[@devandrasimanjuntak1646]

Chouun Shiryu GTR is a driver’s car. They spent hours testing the awd system and suspension on the Nurburgring. R33 was the first production car to lap the Nurburgring in less than 8 minutes. The Supra on the other hand, that is NOT a driver’s car. More of a GT car.

[@HoodOnFire]

@David Sanchez say cringe one more time

[@trii.spokes]

Japanese Sports car **Shows 80's Economy car in Anime Tofu Delivery car Style**

[@AnthroGearhead]

One of the best shitbox cars in anime

[@trii.spokes]

@@AnthroGearhead True

[@OmniRider]

@@AnthroGearhead exactly! 😂

[@rushdrift]

Back when it was not famous in my country you could get it under $8000 now its $100k for a good condition one, it sucks to live in asia anything from an anime or movie price gauging are real.

[@adamkimmV]

Pretty sure the point of the show was it's about the driver not the car. But then everyone just goes out and buys an ae86 anyway.

[@OneLeggyBoy]

One reason they've suffered in the sports car departure is they aren't offering as many sports cars as they used. There's no Celica, no S2000, no 3000GT, no Eclipse, no MR2. So there's are less enticing options for buyers. Also in addition they're not making an effort to have a splash on pop culture like they did in the past. The Supra was in every racing game in the mid 2000s pretty much and now it's only in Grand Turismo. Now pretty much European brands are doing what the Japanese did in that era.

[@AnthroGearhead]

Mustang GT350R faster than a R35 Nismo Edition around corners

[@spawn_blacksmith]

Big facts! Once Honda killed off the S2000, I lost pretty much all interest in Japanese cars. At the time I almost traded in my clapped out Camaro for a gently used one.

[@AnthroGearhead]

The Honda Beat still exist but renamed to S660 , also a tribute to the classic S660 roadster

[@kylesoler4139]

Less options due to lack of new buyers, If you can afford to pay new car money for a near 30 year old car you should buy the new one. No need to worry about ownership history!

[@PlumberWRX]

They dont make them anyone because people.stopped buying them no company is gonna sell something that people aren't gonna buy

[@CRValtierra]

Reasons why they where better back then in most areas - Low costs - reliable - styling - simplicity - manual gear box (because its fun to drive) Now there way too technological (not a fan of new tech as i feel it makes you a lazy driver) But hey thats just me

[@orangetictac5845]

I agree

[@evos469]

And they were built in Japan

[@Andi-fh5lh]

The supra back then was 50k

[@katieadams5860]

@@orangetictac5845 the only good sports car they still have is the Civic Type R

[@basithph8958]

A manual is a must don’t care what the auto guys say

[@BoostedPastime]

Skyline Supra RX-7 3000GT They can never top these in spirit.

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

The RX-7 cannot be made, unless it heavily relies on extra power from hybrid technology. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Rotary engine has way to much emissions, so if Mazda will ever make a RX car, most of the power would come from electric motors

[@TheRealFobican]

I wonder what will happen if the RX (7-8) cars returned as an electric motor rear wheel drive and manual transmission two door coupe called the EX-7 or the EX-8?

[@harmfulmelody5958]

@@TheRealFobican if it's manual only it would either end up like the viper and selling horribly or like the STI where there's just enough demand to keep it manual only and in production but not low enough that discontinuing the car or bringing it's CVT over is worth the trouble.

[@Slythey]

They can never top these in nostalgia* Fixed. Those cars were decent for their time but are so vastly overrated at this point. By far and large Japan kind of fell off with performance vehicles after the 90's and just focused on the big sellers. Occasionally they come up with something kind of cool but its either very rare, long in the tooth and or not competitive.

[@BigBoy-mt2zt]

Nsx

[@ExAnimoPortugal]

The japanese sports car limelight is completely dim. I don't believe current models will ever become collector's items. I drive a 1.5 90 hp stick shift honda concerto from 1993 and that thing still puts a smile on my face every day.

[@zephyrgolem]

This is a really cool comment but I don't want to like since it's at 69. Nice

[@ExAnimoPortugal]

@@zephyrgolem Holy cow I didn't realize how many people liked it until now

[@axsenpai8914]

Portugal caralho, concerto is a good one

[@MrOiram46]

They’ll become collectors items given enough time, though probably just the ones that stayed in the garage most of their time.

[@Arakij11]

I have a Peugeot 107 (2011) with a 1.0 liter 68hp from Toyota (developped by Daihatsu) and same I'm having more fun than in my dad's BMW E46 320Cd (2006) (150hp for diesel which is quite a lot)

[@pathos8307]

Because some people overhyped the hell of them thats why its impossible to make everyone happy

[@imperial_crest6809]

I agree with you on that👍

[@imperial_crest6809]

@@AnthroGearhead Take a look at the comment sections on KZbin and Instagram and other popular social media platform on a Mk5 Supra related posts/videos. Mostly the fanbois love to spamming their hate on the new Supra without giving it a chance and one thing i notice is when I look at their accounts on Instagram (I'm not stalking) their posts is mostly dankmemes, weird posts and car pictures that they don't even own.

[@AnthroGearhead]

Cancerous carmemes ruined me

[@johndessire399]

@@imperial_crest6809 frankly speaking, the new supra kinda deserves it. The new supra is suppose to be toyota new halo car and it's not even made or assemble by them. They thought it was a good idea to take a gt car platform like the z4 and tout it like it some bespoke sports car. That just scream they arn't commited to making the best car they could.

[@EDVERSiTY_DECOM]

@@imperial_crest6809 It's usually just the cancerous drift crowd that want an exact remanufacture of a certain trim of a certain car from the mid-90's.

[@callumgill7019]

Because we overhype the past due to nostalgia

[@the_illuminati_thugga3810]

Most JDM fanboys weren't even alive when their heroes were around lol

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

FINALLY. SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS

[@sailor7537]

One more thing: nostalgia factor. Except for the Miata, Japanese sports cars never really took off even back in their heyday in the 1990s and 2000s. They didn't really become popular until Gran Turismo and Fast and the Furious brought them into the mainstream. Don't get me wrong, the old NSX, Supra, and GTR are great cars, but I feel that most people think they're great bcoz they associate it with those two franchises more than the cars' actual qualities. It's like the DeLorean DMC-12; people think it's a great car bcoz it was in Back to the Future, ignoring the fact it was woefully underpowered and overpriced.

[@ChanMan-mm7fe]

Good point.

[@ChanMan-mm7fe]

I didn't even think of it like that. And I play Gran Turismo. 😂

[@tilburg8683]

I personally liked them the first time I saw them, but I don't really like most new cars, the only ones o still kinda like is Pagani, and k guess the P1 is kinda nice.

[@xalataf3365]

The kids think that the MK4 Supra and R34 come with 1000hp stock...

[@Kacpa2]

Its not true in terms of japanese cars in general. You're ignkring the fact that cars like Celica, Supra, Skylines, Hondas all sold like hot buns long before any of this existed. Taking overhyped prives of Mk4 Supra or R34 skyline caused by these movies and games is not good measurement for popularity. It has nothing to do woth what happened with japanese cars being so popular long before any of these things got released. Superirity in quality, fun and affordability of most of japanese cars did. They all were superior in design and quality to most euro and american cars having both tech materials and design years ahead of everyone else. What games and movies did was to spark up interest in second hand market for these cars more to retardedly ridiculous degree with R34 and Supra jza800

[@eighttree9562]

How to get supra to sell: Put it in forza horizon 4 Give it a cool body kit

[@roach9799]

Well, you're not wrong

[@mikoajjaros3570]

I think it’s too fancy to really enhance it with a body kit. Widening it may make it look better, but it’s really hard to improve its looks without ruining them

[@Shaungt4]

You are right. I wish supra was in fh4

[@froggodoggo79]

@David Sanchez Sorry but as much as you and I hate it, no ones gonna spend hundreds of millions of dollars developing a new JZ for only a few thousand buyers.

[@takcleberry]

Well that won’t work cause the 2020 Supra was recalled

[@mangokun3570]

I agree with all of this, it makes since. Also thanks for mentioning the thing about the brz/86 twins being made for handling not straight power, im tired of explaining it to everyone.

[@AE86FTS]

While I love those cars, there is a reason why cars of similar hp numbers don't get that same criticism. The 86/BRZ twins have virtually no low end torque while most rivals (Miata, 124, Civic Si, Veloster turbo) do. While handling is amazing, in a slow commute where you aren't turning much and you are stuck in low revs, the lack of low end torque isn't pleasant.

[@ynyfoodservice4456]

Initial Wii have you tried drifting in a Miata or Civic? It’s impossible.

[@AE86FTS]

@@ynyfoodservice4456 While I haven't, saying that it's impossible is wrong. However, I was just stating that the Toyobaru's lack of low end torque can get dull after a while.

[@jarredl990]

YnY FoodService are we gonna pretend Chris rudnik doesn’t exist when you say that or?

[@ynyfoodservice4456]

@@jarredl990 Do you know how hard you have to push a miata to get to a place where you can comfortably drift?

[@lions_official7944]

The irony “Japanese take their time creating a masterpiece” that’s what everyone wanted not a rebadged Z4

[@GF-mf7ml]

Than the price of the Supra will more than Corvette, game over

[@vanillevaschnille9336]

@@GF-mf7ml everything is more expensive than the Corvette

[@lions_official7944]

TheBoltMaster it’s the same chassis just different styling. I’m not saying if it’s a good performer or not. I’m asking what did Toyota? Engine - Bmw Chassis - bmw Suspension - bmw Body - bmw (design by Toyota) Infotainment- bmw Seats - bmw You get the point. I respect the GTR and the NSX because Nissan and Honda tried sure the fans still wanted more because they were so hyped but still they tried. Toyota didn’t even bother

[@vanillevaschnille9336]

@@lions_official7944 no. Chassis = more Toyota Wheels and tires = chosen by Toyota Suspension = Toyota Aerodynamics = Toyota Seats = Toyota Engine = rebuilt to reliability standards of Toyota

[@enzoTHEferrari]

Abdul Rehman Khan Sherwani Engine - Drank Chassis - Drank Body - Drank Seats - Drank Suspension - Drank

[@Dankershim]

"Why Modern Japanese Sports Cars Aren't Living Up to Expectrations" Type R: * exists *

[@x-90]

Evo: Do I belong here?

[@basithph8958]

Supra: you must be joking right?

[@zwurka6826]

X-90 the evo x didn’t really reach everyone’s expectations but I still love the car

[@small_SHOT]

Hi

[@basuo8378]

if you have ever driven a type R you would never write that. it is easily the most fun 4 cyliender i've ever driven outside of the track. sure its FWD but it has ZERO torque steer and if you can drive a front wheel drive propperly its actually better in alot of ways then a RWD car

[@sarahkaplan6648]

The late 80's were japans best years long live the fc rx7

[@HotBoiRicer]

Look at my profile if you like FC’s!

[@mangokun3570]

Agreed!

[@peugeotICHIBAN]

That's because Japan's economy was booming back in the 80s and 90s. All came down in the 90s when the "Bubble Economy" bubble burst and the manufacturers got a bit less money to spend on sporty or luxury cars. Especially JDM. Most big performance sedans/coupés went extinct once the 00s rolled in.

[@PhilVillagerOffical]

Hehe

[@FASTERLANEDisBACK]

Japanese cars are too expensive for their performance compares to their competitors. The solution is make their next gens cheaper and accessible.

[@Aztllan]

Everyone is driving SUV’s now

[@ryangladden9831]

100% This is what's actually happening and only increasing.

[@FarrFromPerfect]

Sad but true - even I prefer driving my CX-9 to all the cool imports I had in the past.

[@Jehowy666]

It's not true. USA is rather small market compared to the rest of the world and everywhere else everyone drives a compact like Astra, Golf or Corolla. SUV is a dead end for USA buyers.

[@cupholders]

SUVs blehhhhhhh

[@stefan_4508]

Long answer short: the economy and market is different now. *end of story*

[@GT-RTData9]

@Hussar0 Yeah because Japan's economy is the same as America's economy fuckin dick head.

[@BionicTenshi96]

Well, Toyota is the biggest japanese brand and probably among the 3 biggest auto manufacturers worldwide, so they have big money on their backs, so economics are not a problem...

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

And because everything Japanese from the 90's is overhyped and overly pedastalised

[@klavier285]

It's sad, I look back to Japanese cars from the 90s or early 2000s and wonder wtf happened.

[@TheRealFobican]

Goshn?

[@familia3sgte]

"Japanese take their time creating a masterpiece" Supra 2020: Hold my BMW badge.

[@Jmeon4eva]

"Auf der heide..." *slaps* *plays Japanese Marches*

[@AntzolY111]

Well It's bmupra

[@rubadubmedia]

congratulations you are THAT GUY

[@yanlinzhu2682]

He’s probably talking about the LFA, which indeed took 10 years to come out

[@sandisv2520]

@@AntzolY111 more like Toyota Z4

[@TheKrzysiek]

Actually triplets Toyota 86/GT86, Subaru BRZ, Scion FRS

[@swizzy6010]

The Scion FRS got aborted

[@FarrFromPerfect]

@@swizzy6010 Scion got aborted

[@ashhketchumm]

frs got aborted

[@No-ig6kc]

Scion machine 🅱️roke

[@fenn_fren]

Scion, you're adopted.

[@Mace-1191]

It's because of nostalgia, with the fact most of them are treated like "god tier" cars they could never live up to the hype plus they a large majority of people love them when they are modified with big power etc and forget they aren't really that good as stock

[@grantapalooza998]

I still see people trash a stock Supra or an na one. They only praise the modified ones which in reality almost any car can be made extremely fast with tons of money

[@Mace-1191]

@@grantapalooza998 exactly watching a few heavily modded ones destroy things on the internet is cool don't get me wrong but a stock one isn't that quick and weren't loved that we'll hence the low sales figures of their time and the current demand today

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

The 86 and Z line got new additions, but dammit we still haven't gotten a new GTR:(

[@jamaljones6568]

Every car starting to look the same Camry=Avalon Supra=BMW Z3 Malibu=Honda Accord Etc

[@AR-zq9hq]

Park and 80s Camry next to an 80s Subaru.

[@person.w9780]

The Supra looks nothing like the Z3....

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

@@person.w9780 new Toyotas look like pieces of art. Even the economy ones. They also make their cars sportier, more fresh and more fun than ever. They promised something and they stand up to it

[@jahimuddin7380]

The Japanese sports/supercars are cool as hell, but a lot of them cost a lot but do not have the power to match, meanwhile there are American cars that cost a lot less but have way more horsepower.

[@callumgill7019]

Jahim Uddin but have low build quality and tacky interiors

[@ghoulbuster1]

@@callumgill7019 that's just, like, your opinion, man

[@theFORZA66]

The 2020 supra doesnt have a ton of hp but the b58 is really easy to push power out of

[@DR.P3RKY]

Boi Hasn’t been out very long at all and already have supras pushing 700hp

[@calincampbell5637]

@@callumgill7019 hurr durr plasticky interiors hurr durr

[@High99222]

The perfect example are Evos, at the time in the mid-90s early 00s, Evos could smoke 911's, they were fast, and much cheaper than the competition, they were absolute beasts. They made a good product and then got comfortable. While some 911 models from the 90s had 270 hp, they now have 450hp or so, while the Evo, got stuck with 280-300hp for two decades just relying on the name "Evo"'

[@nickz4993]

One word: Nostalgia

[@jp_0118]

While I love the 90s Japanese sports cars, this is the same argument of: “wHy CaN’T oThEr kIDS FrOm mY gENeRaTIon APpReciATE REAL mUSIc 😫” Tastes evolve, technology evolves, *legislation* evolves. Regulations on how to build a car, safety systems, NCAP/IIHS, emissions. Add to this that sports cars really don’t sell anymore. Developing even one from the ground up is hugely expensive and a huge risk for financial failure nowadays (its why Toyota co-developed the new Supra with BMW). Car makers are businesses too, they have to turn a profit, otherwise they kill whatever drag their sales figures down. So of course they’re never gonna be the same. Maybe if people lowered their expectations they wouldn’t be so ‘disappointed’. Just my $0.02

[@1Reddd]

What’s REALLY hurting Japanese sports cars, and even cars from other markets, is the fact that they’re all lacking driver engagement... Also, government intervention. Emissions and regulations (especially safety) have become so strict in most countries that building a new car like those we loved in the 80’s and 90’s is damn near impossible... All of these Japanese sports cars we praise will someday become so extremely valuable, some of them already are... So, buy and enjoy them while you can. Cars like that will likely never return again.

[@harmfulmelody5958]

the 150-400 HP japanese sports cars we got form the 80's and 90's are more feasible to make with current regulations vs the 500-800+ HP cars some company's are making today.

[@lordofkeebs8424]

Problem is the automotive industry is merging slowly together because of them sharing a lotta new technology, also the other thing is that no one is looking to design something unique, everyone is just following design ideas that were successful.

[@lucybaars4460]

The reason those cars don't carry up to expectations is the name. If the new Supra wouldn't've been called a Supra it would be judged like a new car, not compared to the Supras of old like they are today. Same goes for the NSX, they're both great cars, but the names they carry died in the 90's.

[@SteveOnlin]

Well if they didn't call it a supra people will still bitch

[@AAVVVAAADDAAAKAAADAVRAAA]

If the would just update the designs instead of just a whole new car they wouldn't get destroyed

[@MichaelLawrence-dv3dn]

@@AAVVVAAADDAAAKAAADAVRAAA they can't because they didn't make it since the early 2000s and it wouldn't meet some of the current standards

[@adlibbed2138]

@@SteveOnlin Celica Supra? because at least historically Supra used to be a performance oriented version of the Celicas until like late 80's

[@Oorakhhye]

Z4 and Supra drive very differently. They’re tuned differently and the Supra can run circles around the Z4 on the track even if they both have the same B58 engine.

[@conradsealy9603]

The R35 is still doing quite well in the performance arena even though its been in production since 2007.

[@payconotop6070]

yes a month or 2 later it will be gone

[@aymanlockhartable]

I remember working for Nissan/Mazda doing inventory in the late 90’s when golden age of Japanese cars. Racing Mazda RX-7, nissan 300zx twin turbo, Toyota Supra twin turbo, Toyota MR2 turbo, Mitsubishi 3000GT twin turbo, Acura type R, drifting Nissan 240sx in a private land back parking lot in the dealership was awesome and getting paid!!

[@SpookyFubuki]

Idk, man I still like the new miatas. But then again I’ve always like tiny little sports cars and the average American doesn’t seem to concur. Also the Miata and the fiata kinda stand alone as the last true roadsters now. Anyways I plan on buying a new RF club next May...

[@penamena5238]

The biggest disconnect of this video is the criticism of new Japanese auto manufacturers not making cars like they used to when the 86/Brz are exactly that. They are barebones and cheap and reliable but you’re critical of the fact they arent outselling mustangs and camaros? How the hell does that make any sense when the 240sx and integras of the 90s didn’t outsell their Detroit counterparts either. The 86/brz are not in a niche market. Toyota and Fuji heavy knew exactly the demographic the 86/brz would appeal to and the car fits absolutely perfect in that category and the only major criticism is the power.

[@grantapalooza998]

Yeah and they're priced around there 90s counterparts too. A 98 civic si MSRP was $18,000 in 1998($27,000 in 2019) where a 2019 si starts at $24,000

[@YTMathV]

Your videos are very sick man keep up the good work!

[@OmniRider]

Thanks man!

[@maxxas5067]

Sorry I'm late That new Camry is impressive If anyone gets to drive one get the big 6 cylinder

[@spawn_blacksmith]

The styling is on point. Best looking one yet IMO

[@FASTERLANEDisBACK]

My favorite is the TRD model.

[@richardbutton1179]

Camry TRD

[@martyn_g]

Jerry Smith it is a good looking car. When Toyota know they’ll make money off a car, such as the Camry, then they invest R&D - that’s what all these dicks complaining about BMW’s involvement don’t get.

[@eljoel89]

FWD V6 is gross to work on. They should've made a turbo 4 so you can actually work on the thing.

[@marunero3]

Dont forget RX-9

[@daevid21]

Neyro Seven there’s no way it will have a rotory

[@marunero3]

@@daevid21 i expect a modified rotary

[@encryptedaqua]

Neyro Seven 2 things. Reply to comments @ing isn’t a thing on KZbin anymore and it’s not a modified rotary. If it’s what they make and sell it’s technically stock

[@encryptedaqua]

David Stevenson it would only exist because it has a rotary

[@CanisMythson]

I'm pretty sure they've specified they're working on a turbocharged rotary for it.

[@ljb0685]

You could call the twins triplets, because the Scion FR-S is the first that got released, also one of the cars in the 86 series.

[@thecake6635]

7:19 sorry, no Godzilla till 2027

[@JakeSnake07]

Nah, 2020 he'll fight Kong. XP

[@yanlinzhu2682]

The underlying reason is probably japan’s own economy, which is staggering for about 20 years. Japanese people aren’t interested in buying a sports car as much as before. And oversea sales is not enough to incentivize these manufacturers to build sports cars.

[@dioarya6275]

Also, some cities in Japan was already forbidded any kind of street racing activities since these old JDM sport cars are affordable by anyone (including the middle economy society) and even tuned it for street racing (I think that there is few street racing activities around Tokyo Wangan or Osaka Kanjo nowadays (-_-)). Therefore, these manufacturers decided not to create it again or turned it into supercars or crossover since only the rich guys could buy supercars and crossover was very spacious and family-friendly. Unless, if they want to keep focusing on its original principles, then they have to create it again into track cars only (like what the British did with McLaren P1 GTR). Japan also have race tracks where could be used for public racing and joy ride (like Tsukuba and Ebisu) because there will be also higher chance to get pull over by cops when taking speed attack attempt on freeways

[@thinwig]

“Straight line legends” *sigh* here we can see a fine example of the Americanization of the the Supra...

[@603solo]

Thin Wig it’s mainly the over-engineered motor that requires little bolt ons/tune to make signification hp gains. “Straight line legend” is just the aftermath if you want to call it that.

[@thatcornfedrx8guy372]

Rx7 has great straight line speed as well, 6.33 second FR RX7 with a 2 rotor

[@stephenmaxwellfuks3484]

America has a lot of straight roads because a lot of america is flat and it's a big country, that's why muscle cars exist for straight line performance and up numbers (because us americans also believe bigger is better). Japan has very few straight roads and has lots of corners because they are in a mountainous and densely urban country, they also have a road tax based on car size because of their urban populations, so japanese cars are smaller and more nimble. Since america likes going fast and straight ofc Americans judge cars based on straight line preformance. Besides, all people, not just americans, like having the faster car. Should we judge cars that way? No. Do we anyways? Yeah :/

[@thinwig]

Roger Dodger and that’s the American influence once again. It was designed as a sports car, people just call it at GT because we naturally repeat what the majority of other people who haven’t done the research conclude.

[@thinwig]

maxZ 301142 I’m an American, I live in Japan. American car knowledge is awful, but by god we can go in a straight line quick. Japan is a mix of everything and that’s why I love it.

[@AKseorangmanusia]

6:00 Laughs in C5 Corvette... seriously, a used car that's as fast as the first-gen NSX fir around $10k? What a deal! (Sadly, I don't live in America tho...)

[@teem5642]

The GTR you've got to give it enough respect. It started out cheap when it came out 08/09, but it has lived up to its name and earned the respect, hence the price has gone up. Market dictated this.

[@Mayank_Maximum]

One car that competed Jdms of 90s is corvette c5 and c6 whose eininge are used for hyper caes

[@hyri3188]

Tbh I actually love the new corolla and the Supra Love both the styling lol

[@BlueDeadNoRedemption]

In the next decade we need a RX-9 turbo, evo XI, silvia S16/250sx, S3000, DC6 integra type-r, 400z TT and skyline R36.

[@joepeluso3864]

Stockton Slap I wish, but I don’t think they will build anything

[@spacekii]

Over here in Britain Japanese sports cars are doing pretty good. We have the twisty roads that people want to drive them on. They're still doing ok, just in other countries

[@AR-zq9hq]

In US you can drive miles on some roads before you encounter a turn.

[@Chopstorm.]

@@AR-zq9hq All depends on where you live.

[@createusername6421]

@@AR-zq9hq Damn where at? Nothing but bumps & turns even on the freeways god damn pot holes

[@AR-zq9hq]

@@createusername6421 Wyoming, Texas

[@liddz434]

Well there’s several factors here, 1) Japanese car makers took many people by surprise with the quality and diversity of car models they introduced in the 80’s and 90’s, whereas these days you’re very unlikely to see a car model released that you haven’t already heard everything about it. 2) other car manufacturers caught up 3) a long time in between models ie supra for example means a lot of time for people to build unrealistic expectations. 4) the car scene and it’s priorities are the not the same now as they were way back then. Car manufacturers want mass consumed vehicles which are safe and efficient 1st and cars that can be done up to look cool or drifted around a track second.

[@ManishaSabnis]

It's not the cars that are bad, The expectations are too high

[@kennythemeat]

i expected a new cheap sporty car like the eclipse back then. what we get: suv with cvt.... high expectations? really?

[@ManishaSabnis]

There are some exceptions lol

[@siddheshpillai3807]

I also expected a good need for speed game what we get is a dead game

[@JordanSVT]

I guess u could say once 2003 came around the Japanese cars got terminated...

[@111rr5]

2004 Terminator Cobra yup

[@OutdoorPOV]

The concept car for the Supra lived up to the hype in my opinion, but the final design was just a total downgrade...

[@Furrykevlar]

Here in Colorado Japanese sports cars a popular, I've seen a lot of new WRX STI's, BRZ, Toyota 86, FRS, Civic type R's, and 370Z's. And for some reason a lot of younger people get the Infinity G35x/G37x that do an exhaust and CAI and think they can smoke a Camaro or mustang. The one thing I don't really see in colorado is German sport cars that are tuned or built, it's kinda lonely cause I love my German cars and love my 2015 audi S4 and I track it and drag race it. And soon I'm going to get a Suzuki GSX-R600 to track and have fun with.

[@basithph8958]

The 1990s and 2000s were the peak of sports cars But atleast I’m happy that in this generation we have a new Supra, NSX, GTR, etc.

[@siddheshpillai3807]

I'm not

[@basithph8958]

siddhesh pillai it’s better than having nothing and if not those cars then there is the Civic Type R, GT86, Miata, Veloster N, etc. I still have nostalgia for the early 00s, 90s, 80s, and even the 60s but there are still some good cars in this era it’s better than having nothing

[@siddheshpillai3807]

@@basithph8958 i rather have nothing than having something that is ruined forever

[@basithph8958]

siddhesh pillai you can’t really say that Yes I agree that the Eclipse Cross killed the name forever but the new Supra took what the old Supra was good at and made it even better and it is living up to its name like manga people are talking about how tunable it is and how many mods they put Yes you can go on about how it was built by BMW but this was developed by Toyota and BMW based off the Z4 while Toyota did everything else It’s good that the GR Supra is a sports car not a crossover The Supra is something Toyota needed to make and they made it a very good car

[@TheWHEATISHweet]

Just waiting for another RX

[@Anonymous-bt7zz]

I think a HUGE problem with this "it's built for handling" mindset is the fact that they think other cars can't handle well. If you have driven a new camaro, or mustang around a racetrack you would know they handle great. They are just better all around. I used to only think the Japanese were the best, I owned a few. But lets just be honest here, The newest Japanese sports cars can't keep up with the American and European counterparts on the racetrack and in sales.

[@jsvazzz]

If they all made cars similar to the BRZ and FRS, I would honestly like it a lot better. Small, reliable, and great handling. SIMPLE

[@lazarushernandez5827]

Well Mazda and Toyota/Subaru currently have theirs, Nissan could as well if they saw fit to revive the Silvia/240SX in a lightweight RWD package. Honda needs a modern S2000...

[@FrozenIce]

i was expecting it to go 350->370->390 not 400 lol

[@zhemin]

well 300 -> 350 ?~>! 🤷‍♂️

[@zhemin]

maybe should be the 420Z?

[@linuxman7777]

You could also blame the declining interest in cars in general, as alot of the Rich people today want to live in walkable communities. In Japan, public transit is good, even in many rural towns, so there is less need for a car

[@dioarya6275]

Never forget that there is several city governments in Japan also forbids any kind of street racing activities in metropolitan freeways or mountain drives (Touge). I think it is also makes sense why Japanese car manufacturers decides to turn their 90s JDM legends franchises into hybrids, crossovers, supercars or cancelled its production because they don't want let themselves to be stigmatized due to creating a simple and reliable street sport cars only to be used for street racing activities.

[@trent7736]

I just want a new EVO

[@angelmelendez8281]

What's your favorite generation of the Z? Mine is 300ZX TT

[@sounddrivenofficial]

Thats everyones favorite

[@katieadams5860]

I love the 350Z

[@hobowizard3124]

Imo 240z is the best looking , but I'm also a sucker for classic cars so maybe that's why

[@mk2mister2]

Life's Compass 300ZXTT is a timeless classic that has aged the best of all of them. It's my favorite and I would love to get one someday. Nissan can easily bring back a "300Z" with the 3.0L twin turbo that's in the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport. Let's hope they do.

[@xalataf3365]

Which 300ZX?

[@joshuaburklund4206]

We need mid market cars like a 26 to 28k silvia

[@OtomoTenzi]

We need the 4000GT.

[@eemelikupiainen1415]

Modern cars in general are ugly and overly complicated on the outside

[@AnthroGearhead]

A 90s BMW M5 lasted longer than those new models

[@khumomatlakane2009]

Wow you are that kinda dude🙄

[@nun6996]

they are quite literally riced from the factory... how many cars you see with crazy honey comb vents and weird aerodynamic parts that aren't functional at all..

[@unit2135532]

I feel as though modern Japanese cars were built to be modified in anyway shape or form by their owners vs other modern cars which were built specifically to fulfill a certain criteria for people from the get go... I dont know if there's a better way to put it, but that's how I feel.

[@TotoGeenen]

7:04 you didn't include mazda

[@rubadubmedia]

Well said, I am probably making a similar video to this on my channel soon. I think the market has greatly changed and manufactures are catering to their normal market (as opposed to enthusiasts) these financial motivated decisions are practical and are what keep the doors open at our favorite manufacturers. Remember the NSX and S2000 both came out of nowhere when Honda was doing just fine and didn't NEED to create a sports car. They did it because they were in the position with time and money to spare so they could pour real effort and passion into these gems.

[@James-es1fg]

As a quarter mile guy I feel personally attacked by that average joe comment 😂

[@angelgjr1999]

James Cardenas 1/2 miles are more fun :)

[@calincampbell5637]

1000 miles are the most fun you can go anywhere you want to go

[@AR-zq9hq]

You consider yourself an average Joe?

[@Malinkadink]

I was set on a 2020 supra, until a dealer tried to get an extra 10k for it. Got a performance model 3 instead for less and i couldn't be happier.

[@christophersaint6926]

Nah Omni it's 86-99 far superior 2k+ is a mockery especially right now. The supra is just i.e. it does it's job it just doesn't feel special it's not particularly fast or nimble compared to others it just exists and does it's job. The new NSX is all computer so there is no feedback it's typical of modern Super/Hypercars while being slower and less nimble. The 370z is 10years past it's expiration date. The BRZ/86 should have just been the Celica and people would have expected it to be slow and ok handling for the track (not hinting at trueno86 like performance by calling it the 86) The MX-5 Miata is the same as it's always been it's cute quirky and fun to drive but no self respecting "Dude" wants to be caught in one cuz it's still "a girls car". In otherdwords no change there and addingthe fiat badges just proves it. Basically what you get with all of the modern japanese sports/pony/supercars is vanilla pudding for the price of a Gordon Ramsay Tarte Tatin with a side of Golden Oppulence Sundae it's crazy. What you had in the mid to late 80s and all through the 90s were attainable cars that excited and were special. You had 4 and 6 cylinder cars that could hang with the big boys in the straights, through the corners and do it with amazing reliability and small sticker prices. I mean in 1994 you could finance a fully loaded NSX for less per month than you can an average crossover these days and only a bit more than an Impala/caprice of the day. Now the exotic brands in many cases are a better value that's messed up.

[@Krezo200]

There will never been something like 90’s japanese cars, its over We have to accept it

[@Titas21]

One correction, there was Scion Frs.... (Nobody really knows it exist but whatever)

[@ArbyCreeper]

Titas21 you mean the 86?

[@Titas21]

@@ArbyCreeper I dunno... it was probably just a rebranded car, but there may be diffrences to the Toyota 86. As Scion was owned by Toyota until 2016 when it bankcrupted....

[@zarategabe]

This style of video making reminds me of the kids in the 1990s that needed to use EVERY SINGLE TYPE OF FONT on the same exact document.

[@Mr.Everything]

Meanwhile Mitsubishi is currently giving PowerWheels a run for their money!

[@jonathankhatskelevich7804]

Jokes on us tho, you can’t find a c8 for msrp tho

[@telfoyt5440]

new supras should come with a massive unnecessary wing stock

[@heronumbertwo3171]

Are you a ricer

[@ImInAgonyLOL]

@@heronumbertwo3171 Toyota was

[@heronumbertwo3171]

@@ImInAgonyLOL yep in the ugly gt86 ricer edition

[@sharpemang]

A Nismo costing 50k? I got mine for 22k used. You will never get a Shelby for that price used, EVER. So if price per performance is a factor, the Japanese are still king just because they are dominating the used market which will always cost less than a brand new car obviously

[@cat-em3mj]

but blade, where is the miata man

[@zhila5958]

exactly. mazda kept upgrading their mx-5 and it’s now one of the most fun cars to drive alongside subaru brz

[@SteveOnlin]

@@zhila5958 Hairdresser boi

[@SteveOnlin]

6:33

[@cat-em3mj]

@@SteveOnlin Not enough miata.

[@zhila5958]

TDS seventy-five i mean what’s wrong with them? lol

[@eijikamiya5779]

Here’s a different perspective from a japanese consumer. 1. Even here in japan, Japanese sportscars are not selling well. I think one of the reason it’s not selling well is because of practicality. Why? Because even if you buy a second hand sportscar for under 10k you will still pay premium on both taxes and insurance. Let’s say money is not a problem. Then another problem arises which is usability. Even if you have a 400-500hp monster under the hood you will still need to stay under the speed limit since 1. It’s expensive getting those tickets and 2. You will certainly lose your license if you keep piling those tickets. So generally there’s no merit in owning one.

[@ApollyonZKX]

Good points

[@Rockracer]

subaru does still get some things right though

[@Toyota4Life]

Rockracer1288 what ? Hell no. STI is old as dirt and no one cares about the rest of the lineup

[@guy_with_no_name7317]

Toyota4Life ok? what does that have to do with the model itself?

[@HoodOnFire]

They get some things right. The EJ25 still being in the STI is not one of those things.

[@Toyota4Life]

Guy_with_ no_name it’s old as dirt can’t you read ?

[@guy_with_no_name7317]

@@Toyota4Life And? what does age have to do with anything, toyota, honda and nissan are all old as dirt, your point?

[@edim108]

When Europe and America went forward, Japan stayed pretty much in place, and competition finally Catched up with them. New Japanese Cars are pretty much as reliable as the European or American equivalents, often having price as their only really big advantage (I'm looking at you Mitsubishi). That's sad, because Japan gave us some of the Best cars ever made and I'm saying this as an Amcar guy who Adores Muscle Cars.

[@calincampbell5637]

Honda, Toyota, and Nissan can't even say they have price advantage anymore. They've rested on their laurels for far too long. Kia and Hyundai are the new underdogs

[@mikehonchoboi]

They were all hype to begin with. Y’all grew up playing video games. You weren’t driving.

[@jace8036]

The new Supra is horrendous.

[@RuggedCoyote69]

THERE'S A RALLYE RED CIVIC TYPE R SOMEWHERE 🌴🌴🌴🌴🐉🌴

[@herrlogan17]

I´ll tell you, the old ones have soul and balls. Those classic NSX, Rx7 or Supra are unbeatable.

[@thephao4327]

Japanese Sports Cars: Catch me on the track. Everyone Else's Sport Cars: Ok J S Cars: Y'all so gonna lose E E cars show up in track trim form. J S cars: Oh hell nah!!! GTR and NSX fist bump: Here we go again

[@scottwolforth8948]

While a new 86 handles great, it doesnt mean that the same price mustang handles poorly.... mustangs are effectively better at posting laptimes due to tires they have access to.

[@wallmethod]

One fatal mistake of Toyota Supra 2019 is the use of torque converter. Sport’s cars should only be either Manual or in DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION. look at the Ford GT500 with 7S DCT.... Mazda MX5 too used torque converters. What the hell? These 2 Sports cars can easily be smokedby a tuned Fiesta ST or Fiesta Rally R2 1.0 with differential gearbox.

[@lucastekkan]

yet it they were never beaten. this is only baseless conjecture, you are just throwing words without meaning, thinking that they might work in practice. The supra doesn't need a dct, the ZF 8HP can do the job, shift as faster as a DCT.

[@wallmethod]

Lucas Tekkan WRONG! How on Earth Can a torque converter shifts as fast as DCT and feel as engaged as DCT? The concept of Supra is all fake... let’s start with Fake air vents, fake power shifts while on S mode “as if jolts are simulated” as the end of the day most enthusiast are laughing at the Supra because The engineers who designed it are lame... a sport’s car with a Torque converter? Then put a jolt emulator? That’s hilarious... everything looks fake In this car... no doubt there’s a massive recall going on and it’s not that ground breaking.... the only way to do it in a sports car is to go manual or DCT. Anything else is fake like women with fake tits lol!

[@lucastekkan]

@@wallmethod how is the concept of the supra fake ? The car is literally following the family line, a rwd midly luxurious gt car with an inline 6

[@wallmethod]

Lucas Tekkan are you aware that there’s already an ongoing recall from BMW? There’s a detailed review from EE (engineering explained) about the placement of fake vents which was obviously installed for aesthetic purposes... these pseudo airvents are comparable to ricers who put fake mufflers to make the rear appear balanced with quadruple exhaust (Just an example) See Engineering explained review. In S mode the Supra emulate jolts of shifts... this is a fake emulation. Why do you have to fake these things? This is like the shifts points in CVTs. In reference Ford learned that no matter How advanced the torque converter is, it can never beat the Ultra quick shifts of a DCT and will never be able to give that direct feel of engine power direct to the wheels bec of that torque converter. This is a Sports car, that mechanical connnection of gears to the ground is a fundamental factor for that sporty experience. If only Supra came up with DCT none of these bad reviews will continue to Show.

[@wallmethod]

Lucas Tekkan no massive racall Mr Queer because for that amount of money what you’ll get is a Gay Torque converter hahaha. You’re probably one who owns a Supra now realizing that you bought a torque converter lol! Enjoy your torque converter make sure it spins around at idle lol! :)

[@oennis1644]

This the content we love to see

[@derpedfox]

Budget, money, and market For example: imagine if they sole produce the FT1....it's gonna be at least 100k and the market won't gonna buy it because it's to expensive just like LFA

[@imperial_crest6809]

Derp Fox So it's either gonna be the collab of BMW that helped Toyota to create the new and tunable Supra mk5 GR or no Supra at all which will make the fanbois spamming and begging for Toyota to make a new Supra in the next for years

[@derpedfox]

@@imperial_crest6809 yep If they want to make the supra, it should sell well, lesson learnt from acura nsx and lfa

[@sounddrivenofficial]

Its not only just that. I believe its because of the less options as well. There arent many being made so essentially what happened to the muscle cars is now happening to the jdm cars. No 240sx, no s2k, no celica, no mr2, no 3000gt, no evo, no sc300/400, no rx7. Eventually seems like there will only be 3 to 4 left. I predict honda civic, nissan z, subaru wrx, and gt86 will be those last 4

[@aaryeshg.6526]

So basically when every car becomes 20-30 years old or went out of production too soon (manufacturer's and their "Limited" badges...) their depreciation bottoms out and then they start appreciating in value. Damn economics does hurt sometimes...

[@sounddrivenofficial]

@@aaryeshg.6526 Well with some cars yes but most of quite a lot of them are still low in price despite the age. Only exceptions would be the 3 most well known (supra, skyline, nsx) being over 30k but everything else can be found for like 10k and below

[@ninetenduh]

uhhh straight line speed, that helps you until the next corner, where even a Type R is vastly better then your 500 HP mustang.

[@shadyshinichi2JZ]

ninetenduh GT350 and Type R skidpad arent that different...

[@Texarmageddon]

Yeah except you can outfit a mustang to handle better later in the future for little to nothing.

[@Tetsu9701]

Bought my MT 5th gen Honda Prelude about 2 years ago and I am loving it!

[@Criscoflawlezz]

It’s cause nostalgia is clogging people’s minds

[@izzdin6228]

I'd rather get the mk5 supra over the C8 because in my country (Malaysia), we have roadtax based on engine displacement. So the supra with its 3l i6 is gonna be cheaper vs the C8 6.2l v8 when you add sticker price with roadtax.

[@picklejay7822]

Why would you buy a brz when the wrx starts at like 1k more... forget the mustang. Edit: lmao I was wrong! It starts 1k less! Why are there any brz’s on the road?

[@patrickhall7955]

Because they look way better then wrx's

[@HotBoiRicer]

Pickle Jay they’re made to be modded to your liking

[@ynyfoodservice4456]

Look better, drift better, bigger after market, don’t have exploding headgaskets, depreciated quickly without being destroyed unlike 90% of used WRXs, don’t have ridiculous insurance rates because of boy racers.

[@cybertron1000s]

Becuase Fast and Furious fed Millennials the fantasy that their 40k sports car can beat a 200k Ferrari.

[@ApollyonZKX]

"More than you can afford, pal. Ferrari" *Revs Engine*

[@metalgrinch]

They don't make em like they used to. 😔

[@takcleberry]

The new 2020 BMW Supra with Toyota badges was recalled anyways, sorry folks

[@pmayo7894]

7 for faulty wielding and, for most cars, backup cameras (which isn't much of a problem except for parking).