Why Muzan vs Mahito Isn't Close

[@hld2142]

mahito definitely clears, just idle transfiguration is too oppressive. landing it is a one shot, even for those who can regenerate because of the soul damage.

[@Chiraqy]

Here’s my scaling for both: 1-Muzan: -being the king of demons, should be superior to Kokushibo who’s leagues above Zenitsu who was stated to be as fast as a flash of light meaning Muzan realistically is FTL+ to MFTL All speed -in season 4 episode 8, A healthy Muzan couldn’t dodge a point blank explosion, the highest explosion velocity is a detonation velocity which is around 8200m/s, or 23x the speed of sound, Muzan couldn’t dodge this explosion, and he wasn’t off guard he quotes: “I figured he was planning something, but not something to this scale” indicating that Muzan knew Ubuyashiki would have a plan, the plan in question being? Who knows, maybe the hashiras jumping him? The list goes on, he should be on guard and to back it up, he’s quite literally in an enemy territory -taking the blitzing rule, 23/10= Mach 2.3 which is Muzan’s highballed speed -the Muzan earthquake is no where near City block as he only affected the ground under him and the shake pressure was felt only a few meters away from him, it would scale to Wall level -Doma creating budhas is also a fodder feat as this doesn’t upscale Doma’s AP via universal energy, creating something with the verse energy≠AP, and the calc is inconsistent, it was put a town when it didn’t even destroy the room they’re fighting in?? Gyutaro destroying district only gets him to small building as the attack couldn’t even destroy the ground and only affected the wooden houses -Mitsuri dodged lightning? Prove the lightning was real, Mitsuri legit cuts the lightning as proven by Zoha, lightning is immaterial and not a solid object meaning it can’t be cut “she just swung her sword” if that was the case she should’ve somewhat someway gotten electrocuted since her sword will work as a conductor, “Nichirin blade nullify blood demon art that’s why” the only example we saw is Tanjiro, you can’t prove the same case would be for Mitsuri as Tanjiro, just like Yoriichi is isolated from the verse, and to debunk this even more, she couldn’t react to a Mach 1 attack from Zoha and no she wasn’t 100% off guard, her being a hashira, she should know that “Nichirn blades nullify blood demon arts” which if it was true, she would’ve done the same thing to the sound wave, 1/10= Mach 0.1 being Mitsuri’s high balled speed😭🙏 -same thing for Zenitsu, kaigaku’s lightning have been disproven to be actual lightning as it doesn’t have lightning traits Conclusion: Base/healthy Muzan is around Mach 2 being generous with an AP of at least street/city block 2-Mahito -Mahito is interesting to say the least, he’s obviously superior to Dagon who blitzed Maki who in season 1 already performed a Mach 7 feat of catching bullet point blank range, it was a rubber bullet and the Mach 7 end is for real bullet speed, a rubber bullet should be faster via having lower muzzle velocity and lower mass, although via’s air’s reflective index, it should’ve slowed down, either way it’s above Mach 7, blitzing rule, 7x10= Mach 70 a low ball of Dagon’s speed meaning Mahito is easily above Mach 70 which is already faster than every demon slayer character, I disagree with Dagon being island to country via creating a tropical island as I said, creating something out of the verse energy≠AP, the safest way is to take Jogo’s AP which scales to Large city, Mahito being a fellow Natural disaster curse should scale to that -Mahito taking many hits from Yuji who counters the soul and not taking any damage from him, easily puts him at Large city AP, since season 1 Yuji was able to damage Hanami who’s superior to Jogo who himself is city -Domains have a barrier that can’t be broken as not even Gojo could, so the downgrade of people getting blitzed by domains is out of the way Conclusion: there’s really not a lot to talk about Mahito except for these, although something I haven’t mentioned, finger bearer are curses with Sukuna’s fingers, meaning they scale to 1F Sukuna, and they managed to blitz both Yuji and Megumi who should scale to S1 maki who I said is Mach 7, Jogo compared himself to 8-9F Sukuna while being generous, meaning Jogo is around 5-6F, Mahito being superior should scale him above 7F or 9F which gets him above Mach 100😭🙏 Maybe pin? (Couldn’t really care, just sharing my opinion, Muzan is a fodder😭🙏)

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Chiraqy We can debate everything you disagree with. And no I'm not pinning this lol.

[@Chiraqy]

@@animezparadisez69 just shared my scaling on both characters Demon slayer characters are fodders if you want refute my scaling

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Chiraqy Ok I'll refute both your scaling for Demon Slayer and JJK in a debate. Drop your tag.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Chiraqy I don't use disc anymore so you'll have to slide your IG. Sorry I didn't specify for tag.

[@Chiraqy]

@@animezparadisez69 I don’t got instagram, I only have discord 🤷‍♂️ we could settle it here

[@grimesms]

Mahito isnt light speed at all no one can dodge to the EM waves (sukuna didnt dodge it) Mahito is island level via dagons domain hes just a lighting timer if you argue ISB mahito is relative or above base kashimo who is lighting speed in all speed categories (not because of his sure hit lighting) but ion really got mahito on the same pase as kashimo

[@animezparadisez69]

@@grimesms We saw Sukuna dodge it so idk what manga you read. But if you don't believe Mahito is that's ok like I said more than once. But he should still be faster than fodder Shikigami attacks. Other than that everything else is fine.

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

Muzan is leagues faster by feats and scaling, and has easily superior physicals via scaling above the likes of Mitsuri, Akaza, etc.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b We can debate this

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

@@animezparadisez69 Why bother when the feats speak for themselves? Even Gyutaro can destroy a whole district and that guy is laughably inferior to Muzan in everything. And Akaza & Rengoku can create massive shockwaves during their fights. And there's Mitsuri, who can ragdoll and destroy large building sized dragons of Hantengu. All these feats are easily comparable, if not far above what guys like Shibuya Yuji and Todo have done. And that's not even bringing up the laughably superior speed of Muzan.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b If you refuse to debate then don't attempt to antagonize people. It's embarrassing. Also you ignored everything else that was mentioned. The best feat you mentioned at best is around city block level to maybe multi city block level so it doesn't make sense to wank. Also Mitsuri almost died to Hantegu so idk why lie there. And you didn't mention anything that actually scales Muzan above where I put him.

[@KazeKuzeKura]

Muzan cant even hurt mahito

[@dominicmarshall1189]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b are you forgetting that muzan cant really kill mahito because of his cursed technique. also mahito can idle transfigure muzan and it is already proven that normal regeneration cannot save you from idle transfiguration. lets also not forget mahito has DE, and he can use the 0.2 second variant. muzan knows zero anti domain techniques and he is gonna get reduced to a pile of meat. next point is yuji required a black flash, to literally multiply his damage to defeat mahito, and it took around 3 black flashes, all of them multiplied to defeat him. before this yuji couldnt do crap to him. mahito was taking all the punches absolutely unphased, muzan obviously cannot do this and even if he did, mahito would most likely be able to regenerate it easily. not to mention all the powers muzan has, mahito can replicate because of his ability to manipulate his own soul into any shape. as well as being able to change muzan's body.

[@Atriedits4040]

Mahito clears the verse

[@Vectorohyeah-b9s]

While i dont exactly believe Muzan can beat Mahito i do think there were certain factors to consider, Muzan's ability is Biokinesis, being able to control his body however he desires and to change it to how he desires shown how he can shift between different forms, example the child form, what i think is that muzan will get his soul manipulated but could use Biokinesis to shift his body back into shape, but i still think mahito would win from the power scaling difference

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Vectorohyeah-b9s Can you show evidence his soul is being affected by his biokinesis because that sounds more like head canon rather than definitive evidence he can resist Idle Transfiguration. Not to mention how would he know what exactly to do to counter it and how would he be able to even see Mahito if he doesn't have a power source that can be equalized into cursed energy?

[@Vectorohyeah-b9s]

@@animezparadisez69 i never said he could "resist" idle transfiguration i said he could undo it by shifting his body around or even splitting himself apart and rearranging himself back together similar to the yoriichi fight, and seeing how your bringing cursed energy into this i would say its fair to say bringing in domains in the video should be an issue, Muzan doesnt carry cursed energy which means while yes he would be more damaged by most of the attacks, he wouldnt be seen as a person within a domain

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Vectorohyeah-b9s Yes can you show evidence to support your claims because once again it sounds like head canon rather than anything definitive. And we know for a fact Mahito's Domain would work because we've seen his cursed technique affect humans as well. There wouldn't be a lock on but it would certainly kill Muzan instantly. Not that it matters because it doesn't change anything I said previously.

[@Vectorohyeah-b9s]

@@animezparadisez69 While i would agree muzan would die to it, there is a difference, humans in the JJK verse still carry very small amounts of cursed energy, even with that small amount its enough for the domain to target and see them, while muzan would be seen an animate object and act similar to toji's heavenly restriction since domains register people by their cursed energy since Muzan isnt from the verse he simply doesnt count as a person

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Vectorohyeah-b9s That doesn't mean it won't work at all doh. And we'd know that Idle Transfiguration would work on Toji as well seeing how the technique itself affects ones soul. And once again this doesn't matter because it doesn't refute the things I said before. If you want to debate with a judge on this we can.

[@indecision3835]

Muzan caps at 2-3 finger Sukuna level.

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

So stronger than Mahito.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b Mahito no diffs

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

@@animezparadisez69 Agreed. He no-diffs his chances of living when going up against Muzan.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b Naw Muzan gets one shot by Idle Transfiguration. Disagree then let's debate.

[@smilingsingh6426]

​@@animezparadisez69no way he can no diff cry about it

[@JCF245]

muzan speedblitzes the whole verse and stops at 16 finger sukuna

[@Chiraqy]

Not proving that so why bother?

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

@@Chiraqy They don't have to prove much when the feats back it up. And not like you're one to speak, Mr. City-level Mach-100 Shibuya Mahito & Yuji who tries to scale via Hanami and Jogo, even though Jogo doesn't has at best city-block level feats via Maximum Meteor and his lava melting a few buildings. And that's via his DC/AP, which Hanami doesn't scale from as she's only more durable than Jogo and nothing else.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@JCF245 Let's debate then

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b Yes they do the burden of proof is on them to prove that. Don't tell people they don't have to prove things and can just make baseless claims.

[@neglic4118]

average curse spirit beats entierty of demon slayer, cuz they dont have cursed energy, your arguement is severly flawed

[@AshKetum-u3f]

It’s wasn’t going to be close any character in jjk can’t beat him what makes u think Muzan can

[@animezparadisez69]

@@AshKetum-u3f Sukuna and Gojo no diff Mahito doh

[@elijahedwards5360]

Mahito is MHS+ - FTL, but not because of Sukuna

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

Mahito is nowhere near Hypersonic or FTL. This is some delusional wank with no basis.

[@dominicmarshall1189]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b neither has muzan.

[@Chiraqy]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5bMuzan is not surpassing Mach 3 Mahito I easily HHS+ to MHS

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

@@Chiraqy Mahito has nothing to put him at MHS+ And Muzan is well beyond Mach-3. This is plain delusion and ignorance considering even characters like Mitsuri are consistently casual lighting timers.

[@Chiraqy]

@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b I already sent a comment scaling both character -Mitsuri’s feat is highly inconsistent via the fact she cuts lightning, lightning can’t be cut simple explanation to debunk the lightning attacks -muzan couldn’t dodge a point blank explosion of a velocity of 8200m/s which is around 23x the speed of sound, meaning Muzan’s high balled speed is Mach 2.3 via blitzing rule

[@BeeBoiVR]

Muzan can regenerate faster therefore he wins eventually being able to overpower the king of curses

[@animezparadisez69]

@@BeeBoiVR First of all Sukuna would one shot so idk why you're mentioning him. Second of all show me a single scan him regenerating damage to his soul.

[@smilingsingh6426]

Even if his destroyed he can regenerate even faster than mahito and no curse can one shot him in the last battle muzan was weakened atleast 70 percent and still almost won​@@animezparadisez69

[@lynettegarcia.3390]

Mahito is not stronger than muzan less be honest. Look Mahato couldn't take down Yuji and Yuji cant even use a cursed technique. Plus remember the lighting base attacks we see numu use are not real lighting. Its made from cursed energy. Same as the blood demon arts the lighting made from them aren't real lighting. So Mitsuri and other characters in the verse aren't lighting speed their a bit lower. But Muzan is stronger and faster than every singal character in demon slayer IN HIS WEAKEN STATE so he would be arorund lighting speed IN HIS WEAKEN STATE. And we are taking muzan feats from the the one fight we have and that is not sold evdince because hes weaken so yeah.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@lynettegarcia.3390 1. Not being able to use a cursed technique when you have insane attack potency doesn't mean anything and doesn't refute the things I said in this video. 2. There's nothing insinuating that it's slower than natural lightning at all unless you can provide evidence of such. Even then if you want to use that logic the Hashira could barely move a few feet to save a civilian in time. That would make them slower than sound. I can minimod stuff too. 3. You just claim with zero evidence Muzan is lightning speed after being dishonest about the other metas that were mentioned. Give evidence since you want to play that game. 4. If you disagree with the video we can debate with a judge.

[@thecomte7367]

​@@animezparadisez69 his arguments were bad but i do agree that blood art lightning isnt actual lightning, and my reason is that slayer mark mitsuri couldn't react to or dodge sound based attacks against the same upper moon Who was using lightning. Based on that, there's no reason to believe kaigaku's lightning is really lightning speed either

[@animezparadisez69]

@@thecomte7367 Now see that's what doesn't make sense. It's essentially saying a faster Mitsuri isn't as fast as a slower Tanjiro who outright dodged sound while injured. Plus in the fight we did see Mitsuri dodge some of them. The only attack I can think of is where she was caught off guard. Plus if we have to be skeptical of the lightning wouldn't it be weird not to question how fast the sound based attacks are either? There's too much going for the attacks actually being that fast to the contrary. Also if we do that then we should question power scaling as a whole. Is sound this fast in this verse? Is light this fast? Who's to say what this character says actually applies to our logic? I could even make arguments that Hashira aren't even as fast as a normal human. But see we take characters at their best do we not? If I have to low-ball one verse and scale the other properly wouldn't I just be lying to my audience?

[@AnakinSkywalker-u5b]

@@thecomte7367 Mitsuri could react to the attack. She was merely mid-decapition attempt with Hantengu and couldn't stop herself. Hantengu's lightning is outright confirmed his fastest attack. And Mitsuri later on reacts to the same sound wave attacks casually.

[@lynettegarcia.3390]

Um look I'm not a power scaler I'm just starting to get into this stuff but look. The lighting based attacks seen in both anime are not real lighting. Look if it were real lighting every thing would be burnt. Lighting is 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit 5 times hotter than the sun. That would have melted mitsuris sword and ended every thing. The lighting used is not real lighting. So the characters in both series or not lighting fast. The lighting used in both series are the closets thing they will ever have to lighting. The lighting used is not as fast has real lighting we can see this when Mitsuri blocked the "lighting strikes" with her sword, Lighting has a top speed of lighting is 180mil meters per second. WAY FASTER THAN MUZAN AND MAHITO and mitsuri. If Mahito were faster than lighting the fight between him and Yuji would end in a flash (pun in tended) Yuji is 50 meters per second way slower than the speed of lighting. And i will say this i was wrong about Muzan being lighting fast that's Dum for me and anybody to say. And I didn't say that muzan would win I said that muzan is stronger than mahito not he would win.