Why Netflix Cowboy Bebop failed.

[@heli88]

As always, an interesting perspective. Thank you! As I've grown older, I've realized that I don't want live-action adaptations of anime (or cartoons in general). Anime is great as it is, and doesn't need to be crammed into another format. Once you take away everything that makes it anime, it's just another show.

[@DennisTamayo]

Yeah, you don't want the upcoming Voltes V: Legacy.

[@proudfirebrand3946]

@@DennisTamayo I don't even wanna know how this came to being and why, If this is real at all and (I hope to anything that is holy that you ARE joking and I`m just lacking some reading comprehension at the moment because of how absurd that is.) you are not joking.

[@kosmosXcannon]

I think Hollywood is trying to recreate the same success that comics had with things like Iron Man. At least it seemed like the people back then at least gave a damn about keeping the core intact. That probably brought in the core base and with that core base they were able to expand out. Now it seems like they just want to skip the foundation go straight into trying to build a new base.

[@jb-dn5fy]

Still hoping for a live action berserk. Henry Cavill is perfect for guts and Michael fassbender for Griffith! Hell we can do Zoey Kravitz for Caska!

[@KatamuroTheFirst]

@@jb-dn5fy unless they change some of the more fucked up things it would never be done, not with those actors. No one, ever going to pay that kind of money for what would basically amount to a high budget slasher/exploitation film.

[@heliopyre]

the worst is when they took that character that had been experimented on by the military and just said "eh, he's non binary" and striped all that away. then they had the gall to call the original character a mistake, or a poor representation while completely ignoring everything about him.

[@kimmccarthy7747]

It was too easy to say that, rather than delve into what really happened to him. They probably had a quota to fill as well, such as what he said about the gay sex scene.

[@ericfrancisco6615]

Gren was the moment that told me they dropped the ball. Gren was an integral narrative point in Bebop, and was deconstructed into a parody of the tired "yasss queen!" trope.

[@NebLleb]

Whenever I see a bad reboot, I'll be there in the comments of the reveal trailer, and type in "For Gren". He deserves to be a martyr.

[@InternetMouse]

As soon as i heard that, i was no longer hyped nor willing to watch more.

[@kedabro1957]

You have 69 likes.

[@Elerad]

Ahhh, I did not know about the script coordinator. Things make more sense, now.

[@STOCKHOLM07]

Yes, yes they really do.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

You should see her twitter feed, it's a mess.

[@ravenger5672]

She has to be your average "Disney-Adult". Every single adult, human story was replaced by rich kid has disapproving parents or step-parents. Stories about unfair billing, abusive relationships or even forcfully taking over the occupation that made you what you are. Every single one of these stories were replaced specifically with: rich kid who's at odds with his parents. So shallow. The only type I know to relate with such a mundane, nothing plot are Disney-Adults. Hey, guess what rainbow-suspenders? The characters in Bebop were all nearing or in their 30's, and in your late 20's you don't call your mommy and daddy for approval. You're supposed to be an adult at that point and make your own decisions. I know, it's crazy to hear, but something I don't think they've ever heard.

[@99Michael]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 She can get a job writing for Marvel comics.

[@duncanlutz3698]

That ESG hire rainbow dumpling also had a post-cancellation meltdown attacking and mocking the general audience for "killing" her wonderful show. We'll never get to see how amazing S2 is now! Which... to be fair, S2 could be much better than S1. I mean, they'd have to actively try to make it worse. But.... this is a general problem in the media world that they never put their best foot forward. They get so excited about created a shared cinematic universe or setting up a sequel, that they forget to actually give audiences a reason to care about the beginning. You need to build the first floor of the house before building the second. So yeah, maybe S2 really was a great story that would have justified Gren and blah blah blah.... then why didn't they start with that? Or why involve Gren before they were ready to explore the character. Gren doesn't pop up until half way through the series in the anime and it's a big shock for Spike when they bump into each other. But we all know why. The rainbow dumpling was projecting too hard onto the script and forced us this "representation" in her image, and not an interesting take on the character. For one, the original Gren was already grappling with confusion, loss of identity, gender dysphonia, guilt, shame, abandonment, etc... and they could have really run with that as a way to explore the struggles of trans people to a cisgendered audience. Gren didn't ask to have this body, Gren doesn't feel comfortable in this body. So by flipping the paradigm of a trans character discussing gender dysphoria to a general audience of cis-folk that typically don't understand, they could have had a cis-character (Gren) deal with the forced changes to his body as a way to bridge that gap and help general (cis) audiences understand the horror of gender dysphoria a little. And, ofc, be more true to the character. But that would require respecting the source material and generally pulling her head out of her woke-hole... and we can't have that!

[@rlt422]

Funny thing... She went all stupid on "I'm not the tall big chested cartoon" but... she's almost the EXACT SAME HIGHT and CHEST SIZE as the anime character. It was 110% the costuming (poor choices) and her sh*tty attitude toward fans that killed her character for me.

[@ryanpeck3377]

Her height and chest may be the same but her overall proportions arent (waist size) However as you said better costuming could certainly have made a huge difference and she didnt need to be exactly the same as the anime for fans to accept her. But of course nowadays women can only have “sexy” outfits if they’re on onlyfans or a twitch streamer

[@SouthernGuy5423]

@@ryanpeck3377 I mean, how is Faye Valentine's outfit even that sexualized? Its a tank top and shorts with stockings, suspenders, and boots! I mean, sure, the actress would have needed to get in the gym and go on a crazy hardcore diet to look GOOD in a that outfit, but actors and actresses do that ALL THE TIME! Just listen to any of the rants from the Marvel actors, particularly Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth about how crazy their diet and exercise routines have to be to stay in 'super hero shape'. I think that's the real issue - she's too damned lazy to put in the work to get into that kind of shape...

[@nagoranerides3150]

@@SouthernGuy5423 Faye's outfit is sexualised and that's why she wears it. It's a weapon, which for her is a defense. Faye is all about keeping everyone's eyes on the surface and away from the literal void inside her before she gets her memory back. She's not wearing those shorts because it's warm everywhere she goes. The problem with the Netflix version is that there's no understanding of the character. She's just a nutter with guns. None of the characters were really understood, nor was the overall story. So the real issue is that the wrong people made this show. The performances didn't matter against that fundamental mistake.

[@SouthernGuy5423]

@@nagoranerides3150 Yes, Faye Valentine's outfit is sexy... but its not like she's wearing her underwear on the outside like a lot of anime characters, now is she? Her shorts aren't smaller than a lot of women's underwear. The outfit isn't form fitting and skin tight. THAT was my point. It was a normal outfit - regular shorts, and a button down tank top, with suspenders, boots and thigh high stockings underneath. If you take out the stockings her outfit would look perfectly normal on a 20-something woman when the series was originally released. There's clothes that look good on someone and then there's a stripper outfit - which is what many female anime characters wear. Faye's outfit is simply normal clothing, only made sexy by maybe 1 extra button undone on her blouse. Everything else you said seemed to be assuming that I haven;t seen the anime the dozen or so times that I have. You don;t need to lecture ME on the characters.

[@citeltheof]

You don't poop on the fans especially when you're "role" is designed to get folks to watch the show. I got into Cowboy Bebop because of how much of a looker Faye was and quickly was disgusted with how much of a trainwreck she was as a person. Spike had her number down: "women with attitude." This "actress" had the attitude alright, but she should have directed it toward her role in the show and sucked it up that she was *only* there for whatever looks she might have had. I for one gave this a *hard* pass based on this "actresses" lashing out at fans. What a flippin' moron!

[@JohnLumagui]

I think the main problem is no one in charge was a real fan of the anime. They took a story and tried to adapt and modernize it without staying true to the original spirit of the series. Fans probably would forgive little changes here and there, but the characters bore little resemblance to the ones we fell in love with.

[@kendershot]

If I were a betting man, I'd say that writer Christopher Yost was a Bebop anime fan. He's been a comic writer for years before moving to Hollywood, with a lot of good stories under his belt. I don't see someone who adapted Ragnarok ignoring relevant source material. I expect there were a lot of "Network Notes".

[@ThePowerFrank]

The just went full Dragonball Evolution on this, ok maybe not full but they were close

[@EVAUnit4A]

One of the long-standing complaints that Trekkies have had about "Star Trek" over the decades (even more-so during the current -nutrek- era) is that one of our own- a knowledgeable _fan from outside the production-_ has never been put into an authority position in terms of writing or directing. For whatever reason, the idea of putting a _Star Trek_ fan in charge of a _Star Trek_ production has been allergy of Hollywood. The first example of this _finally_ coming to pass was John Logan, who wrote _Star Trek Nemesis_ (2004). By his own admission, he wanted the movie to highlight things from the franchise then that he enjoyed; a love-letter of sorts to the fans. It ended up being a copy-paste disaster and spelling the end of Classic Trek on the big screen. The second example was Justin Lin, director of _Star Trek Beyond_ (2016). While still a -bad robot- employee, Lin demonstrated that he understood the "heart" of _Star Trek_ in his movie, and was ultimately _blessed_ to have both Simon Pegg ("Montgomery Scott") and Doug Jung writing it, who actually both cared about _Star Trek_ pre-Kelvin Timeline as well. You can argue the merits and pacing of the film all you want to (certainly I have my own opinion of it), but most will agree that the _failure_ at the box office for _Star Trek Beyond_ specifically was more due to the _rejection of its immediate predecessor rather than_ the movie itself; unfair as that may seem, that _is_ what happened.

[@thechildrenoftherev0]

I don't mind them trying something new with the live-action, in fact I think keeping it too close to the original would have been a bad idea. The original story already exists, so there's no need to tell it again. Why not try something new? Mind you, I'm also someone who loved the live action GitS film...

[@EVAUnit4A]

@@thechildrenoftherev0 A shot-for-shot recreation of _anything_ can be 50/50; even Peter Jackson knew that twenty years ago when he filmed _The Lord of the Rings._

[@thewayofthegunn]

"Hollywood" just doesn't get "anime". One of the main attractions of Cowboy BeBop is the existential angst which encompasses the anime. This was totally absent in the Netflix series (I struggled through the pilot episode). Boredom (existential ennui) and loneliness also play a big roles in the anime version, which are not good themes for a live action sustainable series. As you stated, the Netflix series portrayed them as a "family". Finally, you can't improve on perfection. A live action drama was unnecessary and redundant. The same goes for Ghost in the Shell.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

at least no one's meddled with akira yet

[@chakryand]

They’ve been trying to. I think Taika Wakiti is attached currently to the live action version.

[@chakryand]

The angst and loneliness definitely could have worked in live action. I don’t think it was written well enough to pull it off.

[@lordzoro4568]

Bro that’s so true, I watched the Netflix version and was enjoying it. I then searched Google about it and saw that ppl were really mad about it, so I went and watched the anime and just from the first couple of eps I could tell how they butchered it. The angst u were talking abt is spot, completely gone from the live action

[@bobdike1850]

@@matheussanthiago9685 .....had to jynx it didnt you?

[@MarkMeans]

This is where "Book of Boba Fett" failed. By trying to make him a "sympathetic" character who "deep down" cared about people is a total 180 from what we originally saw from a grim, always gets his man/person, bounty hunter. In other words, the writers had no clue as to who Boba Fett might be and just assumed he had the morals of someone who lived in 2020.

[@therealfriday13th]

It would have worked if rather than just trying to paint him as that, they condensed all of it into two episodes and had the rest of the season show his descent into how he was in the movie. Buy Hollywood can't write anymore.

[@chriseaton8308]

Except they're plotting something bigger for Boba. The Mandalorian story is clearly building to the retaking of Mandalore and establishing a new Mandalorian society, BoBf is setting up Fett to lead the new Mandalore. His insistence of "not being a Mandalorian " and his push at becoming a leader are clearly telegraphing his eventual rise as the new ruler

[@therealfriday13th]

@@chriseaton8308 if only Boba wasn't dead.

[@beorbeorian150]

The last scene looked like the end of blazing saddles. It was just terrible. Looked more like a furry convention than a battle

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@chriseaton8308 lol no. They simply assassinated his character. You’re reaching way too hard.

[@rudymoralesjr]

I'd rather have these kinds of videos than reviews. Much more interesting. Greatly enjoyed and appreciate you making this video.

[@jonwilson9131]

"What harm can this little Rainbow Nazi do?" Ok, you got my like and subscribe for this.

[@kevinkorenke3569]

Thank you for striving to keep this about the actual behind the scenes production and not a review. You are right, there are literally hundreds of reaction and review sites out there of varying levels of quality, many of which end up on the short end of the Bell curve. I especially appreciate your views on agency versus drama. I see a lot of this conflict happening between the written Expanse series and the expanse television show. So many times agency was taken away from the characters in the books in order to create a sense of drama and conflict that simply did not exist in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I think The Expanse was fantastic television and with the exception of a couple of characters they did it very well and it's success can be attributed to that. The Expanse gambled in a similar way that cowboy Bebop did, they just gambled smarter and won.

[@CallMeChato]

I liked The Expanse. But you’re right hyped up drama is obvious sometimes.

[@damac5136]

That's what we hired Chato to do wearing that hat! :c) I'm also in agreement on The Expanse. One of the few shows I find time for.

[@RealengoPrimordialDemon]

Also there's a difference between a bunch of novels that have some decent followers and a anime icon that a entire generation love it. Most people didn't know about the Expanse and you can more easily adapt it without backlash but something like Cowboy Bebop badly executed is a failure for sure.

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Oh I definitely agree with you there. I can notice some small differences between The Expense first book and from what I saw of the same length of it in the series and the book likes to take more of its time in developing the story rather than trying to push drama but still being very exciting rather than dragging stuff out too long. On the whole though the series still very much worked and definitely deserves all the praise it has gotten. I’m only sad that the final series ended where it did when it feels like there is still a lot more to come. Full applause to the script writers and staff involved in adapting it.

[@mogaman28]

@@RealengoPrimordialDemon More than one generation actually. I show Cowboy Bebop to my niece and nephew when they got 14~15 years old and the love it. They're at college right now.

[@SaturmornCarvilli]

Your perspective as a former network executive is incredibly interesting. I haven't encountered someone with your experience to explain the behind the scenes workings and complications. The best I've managed to find was newspaper reviewers, small-time/independent filmmakers or low level production staff. None of which could give as good 'lay-of-the-land' type view that you have concerning network productions. I hope you continue for some time, and wish you much success with your channel from so. You offer a rare view into media production not easily found on KZbin despite media reviews being a dime-a-couple-dozen.

[@CallMeChato]

Thank you. This was a happy accident.

[@SnakeWasRight]

It's almost like when writers hijack famous IPs, then proceed to use someone else's creation to wax on about how the story is theirs and about their vision, and shall be tailored to their personal tastes, and not the audience's... audiences don't show up.

[@tempestfury8324]

It's not "almost like", you nailed it spot on! The Cowboy Bebop franchise isn't that well known. It isn't The Lord of the Rings! When Producers, directors, and writers of Hollywoke attempt to create something based upon what their 30+ year old, basement-dwelling man child are interested in.... that's problematic!

[@Fundelstein]

"Firefly looked more expensive than this." Oh, I FELT that.

[@AIKIDOJRA]

One of my favorite Bebop things is how in the Anime you don´t immediately know anything about Spike´s back story, you only get hints, but after each episode you get treated by this great ending with just images of Spikes past, no explanation, just images and an amazing song ''The Real folk blues´´, little by little do you as an audience piece it together, none of this ´´Fearless´´ bullshit we got on the live action, Vicious and Julia looking like cheap porn actors didn't help, oh and having lesbian Faye turned into a hand to hand expert holding her own against Spike was an insult

[@Jianju69]

Two things I love: Cowboy Bebop and brutal honesty. Liked and subscribed.

[@ettcha]

My excitement for a Bebop project was sky high back in the Keanu days, fizzled in the years of silence that followed and finally, was replaced with ambivalence when Netflix announced. Thanks to the perspective presented in this video i can see how things ended up the way they did. I still won't watch it though. For certain IPs like this and TNG, I'd rather hold on to precious recollections than taint them with exposure to the new thing.

[@STOCKHOLM07]

The live action didn't ruin anything for me, but then again, I didn't finish it either.

[@tempestfury8324]

The one and only movie Keanu was qualified for was Bill and Ted.

[@reginaldforthright805]

@@tempestfury8324 and Dracula, great accent work.

[@tempestfury8324]

@@reginaldforthright805 haahaa!🙄 Good call! I still love that movie!

[@guygadbois3010]

Hmm, the writers for the 'LOTR: Rings of Power' are two guys named McKay and Payne, whose writing credits are "temporary screenwriters for Star Trek: Beyond (2016), and have since written for Disney's Jungle Cruise". Just try to laugh through the pain, people. As for Netflix, it doesn't bode well for their 'One Piece' anime adaptation nor the other 9-10 animes they plan to make live action. At least they aren't trying to produce "Cuties 2: Magic Tyke".

[@BeNice108]

I mean, when it comes to the One Piece adaptation, it has a little more going for it. Like the creator himself, approving of the main people to work on the show and helping them cast people. I still think it's going to be one heck of a challenge, but the respect for the source material is there without a doubt.

[@Ilovegrunge123]

@@BeNice108 Also the things they changed in the cowboy bebop live action like adding more comedy and modernizing it one piece anime already had. They have Bon Clay who you could consider a non binary character in Alabasta. Also Tashigi who is a "feminist character" they would typically write.

[@guygadbois3010]

@@BeNice108 Shinichiro Watanabe was part of the Netflix production of CB at one point too, but well, it didn't quite work out. Hope One Piece works out though!

[@BeNice108]

@@Ilovegrunge123 That's the crazy part, though. Cowboy Bebop had plenty of diversity too, and they toned it down and felt the need to change characters too much. lol Hollywood's stupidity knows no bounds.

[@BeNice108]

@@guygadbois3010 Making it all the more ridiculous that it is another adaptation that has failed. Me too, of course. Going to keep my expectations tamed.

[@NeverForget1776]

Finally, someone talking about the ESG; the system implemented as a work-a-round to not being to push a social credit score system onto the American populace. Instead they do it thru the private sector. Not only does that avoid any constituonal protections but it goes in under the radar so that by the time its common knowledge amongst the general population it will be too late to undo.

[@TwoSevenX]

"Hollywood" may not hate writers, but they sure as hell do not respect them.

[@CallMeChato]

Yes, I was being hyperbolic. You are right.

[@adrianodejesus5603]

It honestly baffles me how these Hollywood types decide to throw away the key to the golden chest aka the source material just to virtue signal/push a message. CB live action had everything to be a success but noooooo, let’s change a master piece to conform to modern American tribal politics…..that will bring in new fans and placate the millions of fans that supported CB for decades.

[@INFERNO95]

The people who are running Hollywood today are not level head adult, they are all children who grow up on social media. They don't care about money nor the fans. All they want to do is force there own toxic views on life and use popular franchise to do it. Cowboy bebop is the latest victim.

[@raimee81]

He says it plainly at the beginning. It's all about maximizing profits.

[@kosmosXcannon]

@@raimee81 they profited so hard, that they decided they didn't need to make anymore episodes

[@dustinlindsey4452]

It's more about social engineering than profit at this point. Hollywood is just one scale of a greater beast.

[@XShrike0]

It feels like parasitism. They want to tell their stories and messages but don't want to put the work in to growing an audience. However, they cannot write and nobody is really interested in their message. So what they do is take something popular and try to highjack it. This popular thing really doesn't deserve this popularity, because this group don't have the same popularity. This popular thing must have gotten popular because of bad reasons. So it is okay to skin it and pull the skin over their stories and messages.

[@audreyquinn73]

"But, she's only the script coordinator. What harm can this little Nazi Rainbow do?" This absolutely slayed me!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@DarkSol16]

Rainbow Nazi is now my favourite way of referring to forceful, overbearing sjws.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

The thing about the challenge presented by the different runtime is that it was a problem entirely of Netflix's own making. Since they were making the show for their own streaming service, they were free to give it any number of episodes of any length to be released at any time without even the traditional limitations of fitting into television scheduling.

[@jamieK111]

Great insights! Hearing you replay what production might have been like going forward, rather than looking back in hindsight, is super interesting & enlightening. Thank you!

[@mattroxursoul]

Yeah the anime fights, especially Spike were suppose to be an homage to those old Bruce Lee flicks. That is definitely the way they should have gone for. Like you said the crew was not really family like, sure when the chips were down they had each others backs but that is different. There was definitely a little bit of angst in the anime, but only when it was personal... I.E. Julia/Vicious or those related to them. Otherwise Spike was always very cool calm and collected.

[@Puma5]

Thank you for your videos! I think your inside perspective is increasingly important for understanding and fighting the social justice takeover of the film industry. Cheers from Germany!

[@CallMeChato]

Danke

[@jomkraft4070]

They already made a brilliant live action Cowboy Beebop. It's called Firefly.

[@CurbSideManor]

Cowboy Bebop is the jam! I knew right off the back they would mess it up. They weren't going to let Spike be Spike. They would tone (way, way) down Faye attire and bad*ssness. This is my second time running across your page, and I'm really enjoying it. Common Sense is so refreshing! And hearing someone speaking with common sense and logic is very calming. You the man! My daily dose, my aspirin for the headache of these troubled days. I thank you for your channel!

[@alejandromolina5645]

The reason Bebop failed is because they were misandrist. Trying to constantly down play her looks because the mob didn't want men to look at Bebop. I mean "Wow what a stupid and misandrist thing to do". They should be playing to men who love watching these types of shows. Women for the most part don't watch super hero, scifi, and fantasy shows or movies.

[@creatorsupreme2490]

Thanks for these golden nuggets of catch phrases. I appreciate your concern for maintaining continuity.

[@marcosusher663]

I have a question. When you cancel a series on one of these platforms such as Netflix or Amazon, is there any monetary loss? How is the platform economically impacted? I don't quite understand how that works. (For example the millionaire investment that was made in Rings of Power and the possibility that it will be cancelled, what happen if the serie got cancel)

[@CallMeChato]

Most of the time the networks don't spend their own money. There is usually a syndicate of investors, overseas interests which is often when you'll see a French or a German actor in some show who's well known back home. I would be shocked that Amazon didn't spread the risk on this. Who knows?

[@marcosusher663]

@@CallMeChato thanks for the respond

[@rmsg7504]

Thank you, I'm really enjoying the insights you provide on your channel!!

[@grndiesel]

"what harm can this little rainbow naught-see do?" You sir, just earned a new sub. Boy do we need this level of straight-talk in the world right now.

[@mobbs6426]

I've been waiting for you to get started on Cowboy Beebop

[@MrMustardfinger]

I know its always easier to pick over the bones of a show after its happened and failed but they really should be talking to people like you to bring them back in line. As always your takes are really interesting. I have to admit I didnt watch this show, main reason being is any press interaction I saw about it talked about diversity and inclusion and that was about it. If thats the most impressive thing about your show then Im out, I want to be entertained and im sure most people are the same.

[@CallMeChato]

Thanks. Same thing happened with Harley Quinn movie where every interview was about representation. It wasn’t just the actors, it was the interviewers, also gushing about it.

[@ZarMationStudios18]

Thank you for the clarification on the topic of writers! That's the area of moviemaking that I love most, and it's great to see someone put it so humorously in just three minutes.

[@CallMeChato]

You're very welcome!

[@queazy03]

Thank you for that fresh perspective. As a fan all I see are rainbow haired social justice activists ruining everything we love

[@craethedreamer267]

New here but I love this channel and your deadpan delivery Sir 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😁

[@ams914]

Holy crap, you are my spirit animal! So nice when I discover people who see how "activism" is destroying the arts and particularly Hollywood. It's becoming more and more like the Soviet film industry. Tick boxes first, and then find a way to work a story around that.

[@Based_Proletariat]

Oh you mean like Top Gun Maverick which is basically armed forces propaganda? Right

[@Tommy-wq7sd]

They had EVERY intention of meddling with the spirt of the show and that's why they failed

[@charlesissleepy]

I really don't understand the desire to adapt classic animation to live action. One of animations greatest strengths is the suspension of disbelief which really comes in handy for fantasy and scifi. Similarly, action and color choices can be coordinated with music to really create something cohesive and cool. Bebop is king of this rule of cool kind of animation, with akira, ghost in the shell, ghibli etc also excelling. The live action adaptation was doomed from the start. With readily available streaming, the real question is why would anyone want to watch a cheap copy of a classic?

[@angelphoenix7784]

I think they are trying to ride the wave of anime; and/or it was due to some people wanting Japan to change how they do things. And since that didn't work, they are going after anime to "remake" them.

[@jneilson7568]

It's like videogames. They're doing it 'the honor' of scraping it into a movie or TV mould and wondering why it almost never fits or comes out the same.

[@9unslin9er]

Spike: Andy Samberg Jet: Hugh Jackman Faye: Mila Kunis Ed: Olivia Thirlby Julia: Sienna Miller Vicious: Lee Byung-hun Vincent Volaju: Keanu Reeves Elektra Ovirowa: Ruby Rose Fight me.

[@jmch6359]

This is probably my favorite take-down of Wokeness that I've seen so far. Too bad a person has to be safely in retirement before they can say what so many of us feel.

[@CallMeChato]

Oh, I said this same stuff when I was doing the gig. I'm not retired so much as I quit.

[@shebabaloney1714]

You're an idiot JMcH

[@danielwhyatt3278]

I couldn’t agree more. It still felt like what was created had potential but was massively let down more so by the writers than anything else including the visuals. Shame it had to end this way. It feels like, if they got a whole new bunch of writers with actual veteran experience outside of the typical Hollywood and American TV dramas, they could actually get this stuff done right for a second season.

[@HeShoeTooBig]

Your insight on how writers are chosen is great. In video games, movies, and comics, I and many others not in these industries have noticed a drastic increase in these super "woke" writers who are...frankly not talented at all. It's as if having the "correct political leaning" is all that matters. It's the same with video game journalism. I have a question for you about this. It seems like making "woke" cartoons, movies, and TV shows isn't working out financially. Yet "Hollywood" keeps trying to push for it. Why is that? Is woke culture really more important than money for a lot of people? I feel like I have to be missing something. Things like tokenism are in full effect everywhere. It's something I notice as a black man myself. It seems to be an accepted form for "diversity" among the woke crowd. I'm sure people running the show don't care either way, but I can't figure out why they keep doing it when it fails over and over.

[@alexandermckay8594]

The problem is as William Goldman said, "Nobody knows anything". It's then the loudest voices that get attention. If pandering to a crowd gets a project funded and then made, well so be it. What most forget is the studio is the one at risk. What you seen on screen is old news. Everyone has already been paid and has moved (hopefully) to other projects. For the creatives it has become a resume and the more popular it is, the better.

[@demonfox879]

From what I can gather. They could be a bit nervous about it. A lot of these 'Woke' Crowds have a lot of standing within the Social Media. Their like Honey to the Bees of the Media. They may be small, but their very load. So whenever they start crying about something, the Media flocks to them in swarm and that's a lot of bad rep these companies can not afford. or at least, 'Feel' like they can't. I mean, in their view. Arnt these 'woke' People supposed to be the 'Good' guys here? always having the best intentions for the community in representation? Who doesn't want to be in the 'Right' Side of History??? Having these types of people by your side, telling you what you should do "For the good of the Community" is a very toxic atmosphere. Makes these companies antsy. BUT, They are slowly but Gradually wising up to their nonsense. Over time as everything they touch crumbles, these companies start to loose their already VERY small patience with these people and began to ignore them. From what I hear in the 'Inside'. A lot of people who work in these industries really don't agree with them, like at all. but because they have such a load mouth in Media, if they don't comply. their livelihood is practically threaten so they have to go with it. It is what it is I guess and if you want to keep your job. might as well 'Play Along' But like I said, a lot of Companies within the Entertainment Industry are wising up to their nonsense. Slowly but Gradually.

[@kosmosXcannon]

With the ESG thing the creator touched on. I think it is because the people that actually control the money want it because it keeps them distracted from them with the culture war BS. They probably got this idea with how they were able to successfully derail occupy wallstreet movement by injecting identity politics into it. Then again, this is all a theory. I think it really isnt all that farfetched. We could also be at the point that this shit is now self perpetuating since this culture has been cultivated so long that people now believe in this crap, because they wanted to play with fire. They probably don't care since they probably got theirs and are now older and could give less of a damn.

[@InternetMouse]

Cause humans are getting stupider.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

because the message is more important than short term profit. these companies can always get more money from their owners, who make billions every year by dividing people on their skin color, so they dont unite and lets say start a new political party that would tax them fairly.

[@Gottzchalk]

You are a genius love how you just nail analyzing films movies incredible sir

[@brigandboy1425]

In every live action adaptation of anime that has failed that I have seen (a dozen or so, so far), the common problems is always that the people writing and creating the story *DO NOT* keep the characters as the characters. Bebop failed because the characters (all of them) were not the same characters as the anime. You can translate character, even if you can't translate spectacle. Instead they focused on translating spectacle, and then increasing it or changing it, instead of translating over the characters and building on top of that. I suppose none of that work sounds impressive to the people they were pitching this turd to, so they tried pitching "big fights" and "funny dialogue" instead. Good riddance. They never should have made this, frankly.

[@ninjafoxgamesgeekery]

Completely agree. Honestly, if the characters had been written properly, you could just jump in with the crew assembled and do new stories set prior to Episode 20 of the series. If you absolutely had to build the crew, adapt each member's first appearance from the anime and otherwise do new episodes that could have been treated as interwoven with the anime and fit just fine. If they had thought of it as "We're going to do a series in the same approach as 'Knocking on Heaven's Door'" and, so long as the characters are right, it could work.

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Honestly the closest thing I’ve seen to a perfect anime live-action agitation would have to be Ghost in the Shell with Scarlett Johansson. Sure I can see it had a few little flaws, but on the whole I really really enjoyed the film and feel like it definitely doesn’t deserve all the hate that it seems to get. The script felt a bit compressed but on the hole was still pretty solid for the length of the film, plus the acting by everyone was brilliantly done and the visuals were perfect. The other one would have to be Alita battle angel. I might put that just below or equal to Ghost in the Shell depending on how you look at it or what you prioritise in a story. Visually though I put them equal to each other even though they both run on very different aesthetics.

[@barongerhardt]

@@danielwhyatt3278 Have you seen the Dragon Ball Z live action?

[@DarkStar-os9pv]

Just discovered your channel a couple of days ago. Love your insights and firsthand experience. You're bringing a much-needed perspective to the world. I hope more people will find your channel, and some sanity arises within the various fandoms as you share your hard won knowledge. Good luck going forward!

[@k3salieri]

I believe the fan issue with Daniella was largely the Fae costume design. In her meltdown she goes on about how she isn't a DD 6 foot tall lady when in reality Daniella's body profile is actually pretty damn close to the actual Fae.

[@GuukanKitsune]

It's also that her characterization was completely wrong.

[@__shifty]

she thought the cameras were pointed at daniella instead of faye.

[@jordananthony9549]

Just found you channel. I love you take on analyzing and critiquing, you got my subscription.

[@slipoch6635]

The fight scene issue was a big one for me in the early episodes, the director didn't cut away quick enough with thrown punches and even 250ms-500ms too long makes the fight scenes look slow and awkward. Faye is the queen of hearts a legend that goes back 300 years (when she was frozen), and is supposed to be this femme fatale. They removed the femme fatale and the gambling and the legend. The writing for Faye removed all her background motivation and destroyed the character by trying to make her pityable rather than strong.

[@kimmccarthy7747]

Can't have a femme fatale. That's a character that entices the male gaze. Even if it is to prey on men. That script producer probably thought they might sell some posters of her to go on boys' walls and had a fit.

[@RBelmont007]

Wait, are you saying Faye was in cryo for 300 years, or am I just misreading that?

[@manuela_esse]

Faye was put in cryo sleep for 54 years, not 300! Considering how young she was when she had the accident, she couldn't have been a gambler in her previous life

[@manuela_esse]

@@RBelmont007 in the Italian dubbing, by mistake the 54 years of Faye's cryo sleep became 514

[@slipoch6635]

@@manuela_esse Interesting, in the start of bebop they refer to the gambler the queen of spades mentioning all reports of her description match Faye, and she says that would mean she is 300 years old. Also in the Manga I have they talk about how the moon was shattered at the start of the colonising of the solar system by the gate and that it occurred 300 years earlier and that all the cryo pods on the moon were abandoned and forgotten by the companies that ran them.

[@greenflamingoentertainment8613]

Lol, mentioning Blackrock ESG score (scourge of the western soul) -Subbed.

[@MichaelFedorShow]

Hello. I just found your video because you've become a "folk hero" to a lot of mutual fans in the Ethan Van Sciver comic book artists community. I enjoyed you video. Thank you for your explanation. You seem like a nice guy. I never watched the series and expected it to be lousy. I was a huge fan and felt like the original animated series is was very important to me. I felt like this was going to be a failure to catch lightning in a bottle and not recapture that magic ever again.

[@DemonicRemption]

"When I saw they made Spike all angsty about getting bounties, I knew they f*cked this up..." Me:"That's why I should heard your full statement before commenting... Spike being angsty about grabbing bounties? HE AND JET ARE BROKE! They joke to be bounty hunters as a living. And Spike's doing it to try and move away from his past... I just... WHY?!"

[@MK-mz3jv]

Great video, thank you for the insights! For a future video down the road, would love to hear your insights and thoughts about how execs would tackle production problems when a major injury occurs on set yet they still have to move forward. Cho apparently was badly hurt during Cowboy Bebop and it messed with the production, would be curious to hear your insights on other productions or incidents and how execs would tackle those situations. Thank you!

[@CallMeChato]

It's a problem. What can I say. I've and DOPs leave days before a production. You just find a way to make it work.

[@brianleblancart736]

You hooked me right away! I can tell you're a great writer just from hearing you speak. I'm subbed.

[@peterfmodel]

I generally agree. The only modification was Faye’s character was changed so much it did not resemble the original one at all. At least Spike was a 60% match and Jet almost 100%. As for extended run time, they could of put two anime episodes into each live action one, but personally I would of done totally new episodes, slotted somewhere in between the anime episodes. Finally, so many unnecessary changes were made to the supporting characters, they would have been better off just using new unknown characters, which again support my idea they should have done new original episodes.

[@florkyman5422]

I didn't watch it. Advertising is saw made me feel like jet was going to just be a stereotype.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

A live action series about that one Cowboy/Samurai bounty hunter could have worked, you get the nostalgia of the Bebop world and potential for cameos here and there without having to touch or "update/deconstruct" the main characters or THEIR entirely separate arc. Best of both worlds

[@therealchiamac]

Just a few comments, and this seems like the best place to put it since you talked about changes needed to adapt it to a longer running format. For better or worse my partner and I are fans of The Tick. That late 90's cartoon that only had a few seasons, then was rebooted for 2 separate live action series. As you said with Bebop, the live series couldn't have come close to the animations so far as action, or stunts, sets, etc. What The Tick did, was didn't really do any of the action, and focus it on the personal stories of these characters and the expanded The City. The first adaptation (which is really worth watching) had many nods in the background to some of the cartoon villains and action, without trying to show it in a cheap and campy way. The most recent version, on Netflix of all places, maybe doesn't do it as well and draws it out a little more, but they do focus a lot on The City and personal lives rather than try to go all in with action scenes and effects. I do wish the most recent adaptation did another season, with more episodic focus on villains like the cartoon, but it was a nice way to end it and I'm not sitting here years later wanting my time back. I know Cowboy Bebop is almost sacred to fans, it's held in reverence and spoken about in hushed whispers as the best anime ever, and it had a big impact on my life. However, I'm not sure why this adaption couldn't have followed something like The Tick, and stay in the same world but focus on different aspects and therefor add something to the anime original, or at least not take it away. All that trying to copy it, like it seems Netflix did, was to allow us to compare it (sometimes scene to scene and line for line) with the original. Where as The Tick, each version stands on its own. IMO

[@CallMeChato]

Completely agree and I'm doing a video on exactly this. Thanks for your comment.

[@HarosOfStyx]

The Critical Drinker technically brought me here. In his 'Happy Hour #48 - Superchat Catchup' at 53min43sec, someone mentions you to him :)

[@CallMeChato]

Nice to have you.

[@raulzarco2063]

I hope some Hollywood Types have the humility to view your channel and videos. Your very tactfully, intelligently, well thought out observations combined with your down to earth style, hopefully will resonate with them.

[@cttommy73]

Why did Netflix live-action Cowboy Bebop fail? Simple. They changed everything fans liked, insult fans, and acted smug and as if they were better then both the original and the in-built fan base, even though they needed said show and fan base. Doesn't get any easier to understand then that.

[@tempestfury8324]

Actually Hollywoke failed because they thought the American public was even aware of Cowboy Bebop....which they weren't. Then they believed it would be marketable to change these characters to be more palatable for a mainstream audience. That is why it's was a failure! It wasn't like the tiny imperfections of Peter Jackson's adaptations of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Or a film that would do justice to fandom. It was an attempt to cash in on what they believed the audience wanted from a franchise that is still relatively unknown.

[@DivergentDroid]

Screw the Purists who liked the animated show. It failed because those idiots wanted a cookie cutter show that matched the anime exactly. I knew nothing of the original anime and loved the live show. I felt cheated when the fan boys screamed like Children and ruined the show for the rest of us.

[@SonnyRao]

*cough* Star wars the last Jedi *cough*

[@niccrolusvnyz3981]

I didn't see it because I knew I would not like it but I did enjoy this insight into production and having someone in the know break it down. Thanks.

[@smellthensing2221]

The show really struggled to find its own identity. It kept ping-ponging back and forth between cool moments and awkward moments, interesting new ideas and bad new ideas, intriguing call backs to the anime and clumsy call back to the anime. It just didn't come together. And then there's Faye Valentine: Netflix Faye just couldn't stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Spike and Jet. She had the presence of a kid sister/sidekick character from an old sitcom. I can't help but wonder if the actress was tacitly aware of her character's shortcomings, which may have informed her public meltdown just a bit.

[@singerap]

Thanks for that perspective. It was a nice education in how things work.

[@kendershot]

Civilian question: what exactly does a script coordinator do? It seems like a fairly benign position. Do they do any actual writing?

[@CallMeChato]

No writing. Often they are script continuity. They should also be very familiar with the show bible so tone and 'rules' aren't broken.

[@reynarudydharsono603]

@@CallMeChato Sooo kinda like an editor/beta reader of books then? These guys don't write, they're there to make sure the grammar is correct, the continuity, etcetera etcetera.

[@ProperZen]

Algorithm brought me here. Great insights and looking forward to our travels. Subbed.

[@ckeller98]

I’m impressed. I started off totally underestimating that you would truly get what failed and you totally nailed the issues I had with the show. But, I felt they could have pulled it together with a season 2 if they could have refocused as you’ve suggested. I did like the main characters.

[@actstuntcam]

I think a second season could have been good - it was starting to improve a lot - the first episode was pretty tragic.

[@als3022]

I don't always agree with these, I don't need too. But the words you come up with and the lovely dichotomy between respect and disdain for the system is always fun.

[@darkdudironaji]

You hit the nail on the head with the sets looking cheap. If they had ended the whole thing on the casino scene and posted it on KZbin, I would have thought it was a fantastic fan film. But seeing it as a series in Netflix... It looked shitty and cheap.

[@emerraldx]

it felt intentional tho

[@Bad_Llama]

I’m fascinated by the perspective you bring to these movies and series. I have honestly never thought about the executive perspective; it’s always just easier to look at the finished product and wonder who decided to polish a turd and serve it up. I’m going to check out more of your vids to see more.

[@rizkiagustian7640]

I just honestly believe that any live-action adaptation of any form of animation will simply not work. One of the key elements of making animated features fun to watch is the visual aesthetics resulting from the animation. The energy, the colors, the atmosphere, the intensity, the freedom of expression; it just works under different rules compared to the real world. I have yet to see a good live-action anime adaptation and most Disney live-action remakes have been mediocre or outright terrible. I mean Beauty and the Beast is almost a complete redo of the animated film scene for scene and it still feels like a lesser version. Just feels a bit lifeless and flat. Of course, a great writer could probably make anything work. But great writers are rare and as mentioned here, aren't guaranteed to create hits anyway. There are so many elements that need to be nailed to effectively translate an animated feature into live-action that it probably wouldn't be worth the effort for most projects. Another approach is to simply be inspired by an animated feature and create a vastly different end product that simply borrows elements from its source material. That way, focus can be directed towards telling an original story and making sure that the story is crafted to the highest quality. But at that point, why bother calling it a live-action adaptation anyway? So yeah, I think live-action adaptations are simply pointless endeavors. Avatar The Last Airbender was presented perfectly in its animated form; what could a live-action adaptation of that possibly offer that would add anything of value?

[@CallMeChato]

Yes. I would frankly have gone back to the Manga.

[@gauraprema1932]

Can I just say I love that you did this in seemingly in one or very few cuts. It proves this is genuinely your opinion and makes it more interesting to listen to

[@samn8309]

I liked 'Rainbow Nazis'. Very accurate. I'm sure 'Chato' would have been a likeable boss. Regarding agency, or destroying it, they did that crap in the Witch series. All the witchers were so upset about being torn from their families and forced to protect citizens from monsters. It came up in the game but wasn't a big thing. It took the floor out from under them.

[@CallMeChato]

I'm a very likeable boss. I fire anyone who says otherwise.

[@U4ia28]

I’m so glad that I watched this video. Learning about the script coordinator put this shows failure into some much needed perspective.

[@toketsupuurin]

Speaking as an animator, the thing that horrified me the most was the obvious lack of comprehension on the direction side that this was, in fact, an adaptation. Everyone assumes turning a novel into a film is hard because there aren't any pictures so you have to invent that part. But the assumption with an appalling number of live action anime remakes is that "the pictures are already there. I can just copy that into the real world and it will work." But it *doesn't* because animation is all about stylization and exaggeration. You can't put actual humans into a setting like that and make it work unless you're going full on 1960's Batman camp. The thirty seconds or so that we got seeing Ed is a concentrated dose of "the director and cinematographer have zero clue about how to create a new visual language and tone for the adaptation. They're just copying and they don't know what they're doing." The writing was not the only problem here. Not by a long shot. There was a fundamental problem with the directing.

[@Masterho310]

I saw Daniella’s melt down video and knew the show was doomed way before they officially announced it wasn’t getting a sequel.

[@Doc-Glock]

There's a lot of cases where a piece of media (movie, TV show, game, etc.) has shitty writing and/or bad production and people go at the actors for it. Usually, it's not deserved, and even less so in this case. So I feel it's a good sign that many people are acknowledging that the issues with Netflix Bebop are not with the main actors or actress at all, and are instead focusing far more on the production and writing. Specifically the "quirky" choices of the script coordinator, who sounds as if she's suffering from a case of Twitter Overexposure.

[@damac5136]

but... her tits!

[@TheBNCyo]

Her dad must be a very powerful man, there ain't no way a nobody like her should be "coordinating" shit on a netflix show

[@christophermonteith2774]

mostly, but there was that video, which is certainly an issue. any time that the cast directly attack the fans, even verbally, or talk down to them is a reason to say that they are the issue. but its usually not their fault, that's for sure

[@kimmccarthy7747]

@@christophermonteith2774 I'm sure there are a lot of actors and behind the scenes people who feel the same about fans at various times for various reasons, but the smart ones know better than to shoot their mouths off near mikes. They know the next job might be perfect, and your last enemy could become your biggest fan. People who have to vent on camera about the shortcomings of their viewers seem to be unaware that they have to get another job in the future, and that there are a lot of other, smarter people out there who can do the sane thing and better.

[@Doc-Glock]

@@christophermonteith2774 That is one thing I didn't mention, but we can all agree on: Her video was stupid.

[@Ultrajamz]

Good mention of the ESG thing. Few seem to know.

[@jeffpotts6187]

"Sycophantic fame-f***ers" I'm writing that one down and sticking it to my monitor...

[@als3022]

Good work

[@pattenam]

Wow. So glad your work came up in recommendations. Appreciate many good elements: the unique perspective of your experience, the candor, the well structured ideas and the entertaining verve with which it is all presented. Thank you for the videos!

[@CallMeChato]

Wow back. Thank you. I'll have to add this as a movie quote.

[@benjaminboyle7329]

It's interesting you mentioned firefly because that was the spiritual successor to cowboy bebop and was obviously the right way to do a show like this.

[@CallMeChato]

Yes, spiritual is a good word. I always thought, highly borrowed.

[@Daramouthe]

Love your work Chato. Can't wait until the next one.

[@gbcraw]

Thanks for this. I wanted to like the series, even if I was pretty sure it wasn't going to be as good as the anime. I found your analysis oddly carthartic. :) I realized I was just kind of "stuck" processing my feelings about the series, kind of numb. (Now I can move on with my life.) Like you, I was ok with the three main actors. I wonder what might have happened if they'd opted for more bite-sized morsels (25 min, like the anime, sure; maybe even shorter). I saw you mentioned The Expanse, below, and I also liked that, but as you mentioned, this perceived need to add drama to the point of boredom/nausea -- you just undercut the best of the source material. On the other hand, I listened to all the audiobooks for The Expanse -- in that medium, the space opera works much better, imho. I felt the reboot of Battlestar Galactica actually did this even better, at least for a few seasons, til it lost its way. On the other hand, I felt Firefly was really entertaining, short-lived as it was. (Foundation kinda lost me in a way that feels a lot like the LOTR series.) Everything stems from the writing. Writing well (let alone reliably well) is hard, as you said. Ultimately I feel kinda sorry for the Cowboy Bebop creative talent.

[@CallMeChato]

Bingo

[@WilliamTheMovieFan]

This is why the Mandalorian show is terrible. They turned the bounty hunter into a baby sitter.

[@skorndrow1704]

The show would have been better if they just kept the "heart" of the show and wrote their own adventures. Unlike most anime to live action, Bebop is grounded enough to work and the structure of the series makes it a prime candidate to put stories into it without effecting the overall story too much.

[@mokane86]

Imagine if instead they did "the untold stories" and then could take free reign to mess around more. Tell the story of how Spike and Jet met and started working together. What happend to have Spike be gifted the Swordfish? Jump to when they are all together and make up some technically inconsequential but interesting other side bounties or calamities they had. Skip ahead to teenage or young woman Ed the bounty hunter! Etc.

[@aarondcruz3443]

I like this behind-the-scenes perspective on how we continue to get misfires in our entertainment. It honestly baffles me on how all the pieces are there and sometimes it can just fall apart in the end. Great and entertaining video

[@Omegaphoenix128]

I'm still of the opinion that many of the short comings was driven by ideology. For example, I don't really care about the race swapping ultimately as long as the core character was intact. Dont misunderstand, as i think race swapping for the explicit reason of diversity is just tokenization by another name rather than getting the best actors and actresses in the role. If these selected performers were the best for the role, and the core traits of the characters were there, itd be ok to me. Afterall, of they were casted to be accurate to the anime in terms of identity but everything else was the same, it'd still suck. However, the reality is they very likely behind the scenes selected people with DIE in mind, and then proceeded to butcher the characters and their personality again for DIE ideology. Which is the issue in the end. The ideology informed what decisions were to be made and that is a big part of the problem.

[@resistancepublishing]

Your comments were at 666. I had to comment and change that number. Dude you are now my favorite KZbinr (I love your honesty and sarcasm). I’m serious. I just found your channel and I’m binging your videos. We normal people crave honesty and we’re sick and tired to the fake Hollywood doublespeak

[@CallMeChato]

You are very kind.

[@resistancepublishing]

@@CallMeChato any time

[@bovinejoni4243]

I think this misses what was arguably the most fundamentally flawed decision made in adapting the material, which was forcing what had been a highly episodic series into Netflix’s standard “ten-hour movie” formula. More than the need to pad for runtime in individual episodes, what really plagued the syndicate storyline was the necessity to expand it into the narrative spine of the entire series. This decision in turn forced Spike’s character to be written differently, because his old life loomed large over his head in every episode as opposed to being something which only periodically resurfaced.

[@roberticvs]

Looking forward to your vid on "sycophantic fame fucking" (SFF).

[@jasonmontoya4749]

I am commenting before i watch video to tell you why I stopped watching, when the hot girl was all woke with her new lover, i rolled my eyes and stopped watching. That simple.

[@robjohnson8522]

Just found you. Great stuff. I snorted coffee at "Rainbow Nazi".

[@pentelegomenon1175]

Faye isn't actually tall or large chested, she wears platform shoes and a top that pushes her chest up, she is actually a dead ringer for the actress in the Netflix series.

[@rybuds47]

I saw the same thing, she really didn't understand the situation at all. She was about to be the dream girl for millions of fans, a real life Fay Valentine, and she crapped all over it. What a bad move.

[@ExeErdna]

It wasn't her looks it was her actions he talking down to the fans poisoned the well. A lot of people never forgave her or cared about her after she spoke ill of them.

[@Ilovegrunge123]

@@ExeErdna Also some people where coming to an understanding that the costume change was due to her having to do stunts. Until she made the video the compassion people had for the actress being comfortable doing stunts vanished because she made it about something else. Also its odd that she says the original shorts would go into her crevices but the posters where it shows everyone showing their backs show shorts that would be uncomfortable to.

[@RyutheWeredragon]

Not quite a dead ringer - Anime Faye is designed to look Chinese (Well, Anime Chinese, but still). The main problem was the costuming wasn't something that fit the character at all - you could de-sexualize the outfit, but still make it fitting for a femme fatale - they didn't. In fact they went as hard as they could to delete that from Faye's entire character, turning her into the second worst character in the show (next to their version of Vicious, and even then, only just).

[@Ilovegrunge123]

@@RyutheWeredragon Did everyone forget about Ed. That’s another level.

[@andrewj6611]

Love your content! Keep up the great work!

[@CallMeChato]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@frankverisco4722]

I talked about this too on my podcast. Cowboy Bebop failed cuz they couldnt get the basics right. The costumes...the race of the characters...the background of the characters...the sexuality of the characters. They changed everything from the original IP.

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

Thank you for this analysis!

[@heronoverdose]

Appreciate the perspective, making me think some wiser decisions could of got them to season 2 despite the major flaws. Better luck next time for Netflix adaptations!

[@babytoshiro7014]

Yes, but Netflix just rather quickly cancelled than invest in a show that had a rocky start.

[@DennisTamayo]

English dubs of anime shows are 100% better, even on Netflix.

[@TroutCreative]

“Sycophantic fame fuckers” I couldn’t smash the subscribe button harder. I need to play this tangential opening on how “Hollywood Hates Writers” for anyone who asks me why I don’t make movies anymore or why I didn’t stay in LA very long. As a long time Bebop fan this analysis is spot on. I didn’t make it thru the pilot. 20 minutes in and I had seen enough. Very excited to explore this channel. Not sure how I haven’t found it sooner.

[@slappy8941]

I recall the words of a wise man; "Everything woke turns to shit."

[@dandyrevisionist7879]

I'm amazed by your experience in this important topics, today the entertainment is the wild west, there is no clear leader as it used to be in Netflix golden days.

[@DoBap_]

I agree with almost everything you said, the only thing I disagree with is your description of the original, and Spike's masculine character. As the original was fun and action packed, it dealt with dark themes, and did it realistically. The characters are all haunted by their past, bottle their emotions up, and hardly communicate with each other. Which is a realistic dynamic you hardly see on TV, and ultimately leads to their downfall. Unlike the Netflix version of course, where everyone needs to be a family, and talks in an exaggerated, unrealistic manner. The reason I think Spike is such a great character is because he hooks you in as a cool, masculine power fantasy, yet is ultimately emotionally crippled by his feelings of unfulfillment due to his past. Making a more realistic, relatable, and likeable male hero than the crap hollywood pushes out today.

[@CallMeChato]

I think we're actually agreeing. Anime Spike had those emotions, he just didn't yammer about them all the time. He was stoic.

[@DoBap_]

@@CallMeChato well I meant I disagreed with your description of him and how the original was paced, as your description was a tad one dimensional Guess I’m nitpicking, I just love the original so much 😂

[@jneilson7568]

And the tragedy is that he's so young and horribly jaded.

[@haukikannel]

The Anime Spike did not consern his life. He was living at spare time and that makes him somewhat careless… Other anime charactes also were darker / more sinister that the live action ones. Vicious was pure sadistic killing machine in the anime. Everything was toned down and character were more ”heroic” and pland without any weanesses that made the charaters what they really are. Radical Edvard is just impossible to do in live action… Nobody could do that. One good idea that I have seen was that Ed would be only seen through computer connection and newer would be part of the ”real” crew in person. That would have worked. But the main point was that the theme was not beepop. The lost of crimnes, worries of normal life, everything that did make the world feel like living real thing, with misfit main characters. Maybe some day we could see good anime adaptation. We have seen good anime style movies! Matrix is pure anime! Joch Wick movies are also pure anime. Firefly TV series did show that space western works. So it is possible… Just hard, hard to do well. Matrix sequels were not very good. Joch Wick still looks good, but story is npot progressing. Not an easy task…

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I saw an interview where Al Lewis was talking about when he guest starred on Lost in Space. The show ran short and the writers had left. So he grabbed Johnathan Harris and they did an old vaudeville skit. Could actors do that today.