Why Newcastle are the real deal

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Newcastle edged past previously unbeaten Arsenal 1-0 in the Premier League on Saturday, with Anthony Gordon bagging the eventual winner for the Magpies. Despite a slower start to the season that raised questions about the progress at NUFC - Eddie Howe's side look to be back on track to the form they showed last season to secure them a top 4 finish.
With investment from the Saudi Public Investment Fund into the North East club, a lot of eyes are on Newcastle to see just how they spend their money and effectively build a squad. But are the club proving themselves to be the real deal this season once again? JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie take a look at just how they are turning into one of England's best tactical football sides.
00:00 Intro
00:27 Brief overview
00:43 Out of Possession
02:59 How should teams try to beat Newcastle?
08:33 How Man City did it
12:07 Some Stats
12:49 In Possession
17:08 So are they the real deal?
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[@matthewmcneany]

Eddie Howe's got Newcastle's players using their brains as much as Bielsa had Leeds' players using their legs.

[@tjonas1986]

Nice to see John’s view of Newcastle slowly turning … Bit weird to see Lewis and Fraser on the bench, though, given they play for Watford and Southampton respectively.

[@zumateen]

That's why they didn't include them in the 11 on the pitch... duh!

[@tjonas1986]

@@zumateen They don’t play for Newcastle.

[@PhantomOverlordX2]

And we're doing this with mostly players that were here before, and players that were believed to be not good, until they proved them all wrong. Even Gordon who was labeled as a flop, is proving many wrong. We're moving in the right direction, squad looking better, Eddie is doing an amazing job, even the youth players we got recently are looking far better than we've had for years. Lovely stuff.

[@michakmiotek8352]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” ;D

[@henbenharris]

Labelled a flop ? He was bought in January. There has been very little narrative saying Newcastle are bad, so stop making it up.

[@jacket2383]

The only thing that changed is the high quality PED's shipment.

[@brunoactis1104]

​@@henbenharrisEverton fans were literally laughing at Newcastle for paying that much.

[@fttw4401]

Man City were good against us but Brighton deserve a shout out. I've never seen a team play through our press like they did. It was high risk, everything had to be done really quickly and with a crazy amount of precision, but they did it flawlessly.

[@badofcheese]

I think Villa did the same last season and a bit in that weird summer series thing, but Villa always felt a bit loser and if it went wrong they were wide open. Brighton seemed to do it with impunity, even when it didn’t come off, they seemed to be set enough to cope with the turnover.

[@PaperBoatTV]

This aged poorly so quickly

[@yusufabdillahxyz]

Yes

[@thecarrotmonster8827]

Newcastle's been the real deal since Eddie took over tbh, its nothing new at this point. Been in consistent Champions League form for 2 years now A lot of ex players who think they're automatically going to be top managers could do with taking a leaf out of his book and get off the golf course and go out and learn.

[@edkingsleyiball7686]

It's interesting that the conclusion is a concern about creativity against deep blocks when teams start working Newcastle out. In the summer Howe was very clearly trying to get a creative No. 10 in to help us with this (Maddison and Szoboszlai were targets), he's well ahead of the game and I'm very excited to see who he recruits to solve that problem.

[@tomski144]

It’s why they bought Harvey barnes, he doesn’t dribble he plays clever one twos to open up spaces and pull players out of position and get through gaps! It’s another option while they identify the relevant hybrid 8/10 that will work in this system. Need to fit a certain physical profile which Maddison and szbozlai offer but there aren’t many like that around

[@gonufc]

Really? It seems like he purposely chose Tonali over the more "No. 10" style options purely not to change the midfield set up.

[@bobbySumpton]

​@@gonufcTonali was a chance buy as in "how the hell are they willing to sell"... We know why now

[@fernandomustachioso9737]

@@bobbySumpton Tonali was a big player for AC Milan, but maybe not big enough to not part with 70 millions even without this hanging over their heads. I got the impression he was often viewed as a guy who should've been an even bigger star, but it had not happened so far.

[@bobbySumpton]

@@fernandomustachioso9737 it'll be interesting to see how he comes back. 10 months learning Howes ways.. No excuses eh

[@thewalkingfish3001]

they are in my opinion ( livepool fan).

[@raveraidd]

disregarding the crap var decisions during the newcastle v arsenal match (for both sides and as an arsenal fan) newcastle are definitely an underrated side, a lot of people dont even put them in the top 4 conversation for this PL season, but they definitely could get 4th or even 3rd at this rate, they played very well against us, kept pressure, put a stop and held a strong defensive line against any attacking plays we had against them, they dont have the most incredible team but with another few transfer windows I can definitely see the side becoming title contenders and a top pl club.

[@gonufc]

I think a draw was a fairer result on Saturday but regardless of that, I'm shocked that people are consistently putting Villa above us. Now with all these injuries is the time when you would expect points to start dropping... And we're doing even better. Looks like Livramento (who is top class) will prove to be a massive signing this season even though I don't like Trippier at LB.

[@Plevins]

The ball was shown as still in, it looks out because the camera angle is showing the underside of the ball not the widest point. there was no foul since you think Joelinton somehow managed to push Gabriel with so much upper body strength that he wiped out Gabriels feet despite jumping into the goals trajectory not into Gabriel, both feet were off the ground before both hands were on Gabriel and his upper body moved towards his arms instead of his arms extending as you would see in a push. There was no offside since the keepers back leg was keeping Gordon on side at the time of Joelinton/Gabriel touching the ball.

[@jonnylectitio279]

Cool cool cool. And what about Guimares elbowing Jorginho in the back of the head 38 mins in? Or pushing Jorgihno full force in the back? Or pushing Fabio Viera away by the throat? Didn't get a card until 80 some minutes in. Absolute joke.@@Plevins

[@nasirruslan3826]

Mate, how is the ref allowed to officiate a match where the owner of the club playing in said match is also his employer? Clearly, conflict of interest bells should start ringing.

[@Plevins]

@@jonnylectitio279 But it’s fine for Havertz to studs up Longstaff in the foot with no intention of getting the ball?

[@maxmilburn6130]

Used to love the show, but I can’t get over why, when the podcast ended, Seb and Joe had to do it like TIFO IRL was ending. Feels so disconnected now, although JJ was the best part of the show he can’t do it all himself. Feels like there’s no more fun on here anymore. Seems like the show has always been at odds with having fun content and serious football analysis. But the best thing about the show was how it would be so informal and make football analysis easy for people to understand and entertaining at the same time. Without the pretentiousness of some of the more “serious” football content creators They really need someone on to fill the seats that were left, and lean in to how JJ works, and although Joe’s a big miss, you can capitalise on the more boring personalities leaving.

[@firas_13]

The beatles* were lucky that JJ and Jon weren't around back then.

[@leonstephens3679]

Not to get them confused by the not so well known, Beatles

[@firas_13]

@@leonstephens3679 LMAO. I actually got it wrong.. Thank you for correcting me.

[@henrytilley95]

Great video guys. Really enjoyed the section where you showed Newcastle's pressing structure and how Arsenal should have bypassed it if they wanted a better chance of a result on Saturday evening. I would have liked to have seen Arsenal play a bit more direct to Saka / Martinelli in the game. Seems like whenever they actually got the ball in the end Saka was being marked by 3 players. Martinelli had a bit more space but usually the ball was too slow in getting to him.

[@isahamilton01]

This has never happened before but this started playing while I was watching a different video, I just got randomly interrupted by JJ’s angelic voice and I couldn’t be happier 😂

[@bigbloke2000]

@9.45 : Shows Lewis and Fraser as NUFC players -- but no Livramento or Hall. What the actual hell. Could Tifo possibly incidate less of a damn about a team that, this season have so far beaten: PSG, Man City, Man United, and Arsenal?

[@CoCLord]

Yeah but no one really gives a damn about another Saudi club tbh. Far more interesting pre cheating

[@zumateen]

Yeah. But have they defeated Brighton? 😅😅

[@tanidaocphoenix9179]

@@CoCLord mmm i can taste your tears 😂

[@IrishSnwbrdr]

7 seconds in and we’re off to a great start

[@athreyathandeswaran7510]

Eddie Howe is definitely the real deal. Newcastle need better players.

[@DududududuSALIBA]

You have refs already.😂

[@ian-flanagan]

@@DududududuSALIBA2 borderline decisions for +3 pts this season. I lost count last season, but it was at least -6 pts. Statistically… inconclusive. Then when they bring in rules specifically to make Jason Tindall sit in a chair.. it’s hard to say the refs are on Newcastle’s side.

[@athreyathandeswaran7510]

@@DududududuSALIBA Eddie Nketiah red card v Spurs? Havertz red card v Newcastle? Don't play the victim card and fix your damn attack.

[@IndieGoFigure]

Of the 29 players who are considered part of the first team (according to the clubs own website) only 13 have been brought in to the club post takeover (and only 12 cost money) , 2 keepers, 6 defenders, 2 midfielders and 3 forwards, coverage is generally good but GK, RCB & RW* positions could do with some younger blood. *I know about Minteh and Kuol but neither of them exactly lit up the Eredivisie this season so there are no guarantees there.

[@MatSenthul]

​@DududududuSALIBA Didn't need refs to deny u lot Champion League a year ago. That was just so satisfying, I still watch that 2-0 win highlights. That & the artermath in the dressing room in Amazon's All Or Nothing : Arsenal 😂

[@mattthomas2078]

Nice to see that Jon has started to actually watch Newcastle play, rather than guessing at their tactics from the lineup 👍

[@theoggunner]

Yeah, watching VAR play must be nice

[@maccy4829]

A month ago he said we weren’t actually very good after we slaughtered PSG. Proper flip flopper

[@tjonas1986]

Was about to say the same thing! It’s taken long enough.

[@akamiguelsanchez9985]

@@theoggunnerstill crying?

[@dm7410]

​@@theoggunner😂😂 dry your eyes mate

[@backseatbroadcasting2356]

I have looked everywhere for that JFA sweatshirt. Can you pls link it?

[@nxbfilms]

They just need world class players and they will battling for the prem for years to come

[@RichMitch]

Yes. Thank you for asking

[@user-xf8qr4qz4f]

Proved it over the last two years. We’re not on the top teams level but we will compete for top 4 from now.

[@PatrickStarfishman]

I love this reply. Exactly what I think too. I DO think we're on a par or better than ManU, Chelsea, Spurs and we've been joined by Villa as the chasing pack if you will. But the next step over the next couple of years will be to level up to Liverpool and Arsenal and I really don't think we're that far off.

[@zacksmith9864]

The reason city lost in the cup is because they weren't good enough I'd love to hear the "other reasons" why they lost,

[@tanidaocphoenix9179]

Neither team fielded their 1st team. Im a geordie and i know this. We arent up to man city’s first team level just yet. But the young boys played PHENOM. And against man u ❤️

[@QuotidianStupidity]

John needs more Jumpers

[@PJWey]

Pushing their way to the top

[@TheLewinsB]

Idiots saying this aged poorly after a loss to Dortmund and Bournemouth when we’re plagued with injuries & suspensions. So we’ve got youth & Matt Ritchie playing but again haters claim it’s all about money? Face the facts, money or not, Eddie Howe has worked wonders and turned a doomed team into a CL one in a season and a half. Yeah we have money now but we have it in an era where all the big teams have money and pre established squad from days FFP wasn’t as strict. You’re all salty af and jump on us after 2 losses 😂😂

[@TheLewinsB]

Just to add to this fellow Newcastle fans, wait until the salt overdrive when we actually start signing already established superstars 😂😂😂

[@realld50]

We trap. We don't press.

[@profgbl]

The Almiron chat 😂😂😂

[@Shad0w5carab]

Glad to see Eddie Howe succeeding at the top end of the table, I remember when he was linked to Arsenal back before we got Arteta and so many people doubted him, he’s certainly shut them all up. They’ve established themselves as a top 6, probably top 4 side right now and will only improve with more signings.

[@brunoactis1104]

It took Arteta a handful of seasons to get going. It took Eddie half a season with a much worse team.

[@Shad0w5carab]

@@brunoactis1104 I agree although there were problems at Arsenal far deeper than the quality of the side when Arteta arrived and I’d say his greatest success so far is turning those things around. But yeah the speed at which Howe established an identity within this Newcastle side was incredible.

[@badofcheese]

@@Shad0w5carabArteta annoys me because I feel like he’s fundamentally annoying but I’d love him if I was a Gooner. Unless something unexpected happens and you really kick on and consistently challenge for titles, I think an underwhelming (outside of top four) season will see him off in 2-3 years but I hope you all remember him fondly. You’re right, he’s done so much for the club and moved you back up a couple of rungs.

[@Shad0w5carab]

@@badofcheese yeah I get that, he definitely goes too far with some of the stuff he carries on about. Some of it is justified but some of it definitely isn’t. Personally I don’t see him going anywhere anytime soon, it would take 2 or 3 seasons of missing out on champions league and a massive regression in the quality of football we’re playing for them to think of sacking him and given how young our squad is I don’t see that happening. But yeah just knowing how much was wrong at the core of our club before he arrived and how well he’s turned all that around gives me so much respect for the guy. He had to make a lot of unpopular decisions very early on in his first ever job as a head coach and I think he’s proven just about all of them were the right decision.

[@yung404error8]

Incoming 1-4 loss to bournemouth

[@ian-flanagan]

How much you betting? The last PL loss to anyone below BHA/AVL level was March 2022…

[@KindredBrujah]

It's JoELinton, like the Christmas Carol. Joel, Joel, Joel-inton. Born is the king of Newcastle.

[@JannyLW]

Newcastle went from punchy underdogs to just punchy 💪🏻

[@Will-zg3lw]

Unbelievable… you would have thought an attempted KO would be a clear and obvious error. Even Shearer said Newcastle were lucky!

[@swcullington293]

Not condoning it but Bruno's head wouldn't have gone to that extent if Havertz was rightfully shown a red.@@Will-zg3lw

[@jaskiratuppal6935]

​@@swcullington293 Damn too similar to "Look what you made me do" rhetoric that abusers use. For the future though Bruno could use the motto " On the field keep your hand to yourself"

[@swcullington293]

@@jaskiratuppal6935 bit of a reach, that.

[@mikem9309]

I think Newcastle playing about 5 or 6th if we consider this whole season so far. what is impressive is that we are doing it with an increasingly long list of injuries (and suspension). our big names are being replaced by not such big names who are consistently stepping up and holding the level, with a similar curve to last season we should make top 4 but i think teams are playing much better (namely Liverpool and spurs) so it will be tougher.

[@daddyflame]

Am i the only one wondering what the exact words for the pirate song are?

[@swelihlekhanyile5781]

Great series

[@RSB413]

Jon mackenzie cant help with double meaning jokes, 6 & 9 jersey on the wall behind 🤣🤣🤣

[@jlpkwh]

Man City we’re able to implement there plan because of ederson in possession he’s an extra outfielder who can ping 50 yrs passes . Waited till we pressed high then chipped it out to one of the wing backs most of the time Walker then kept the ball safe . They weren’t over expansive . The high press doesn’t work against City because of the keeper you just got to let him have the ball and man mark everyone else then pounce once the ball has been played

[@CJ-ih4oh]

Simple answer yes

[@jamesmccreery250]

If their the real deal, why have they dropped 13 points already in the league? I don't think they will be nearly consistent enough away to challenge at the very top.

[@tanidaocphoenix9179]

8 of our best players are injured or suspended. And we’ve played all the top 10 teams except tottenham and Man U… compare our run of games vs others and id say weve done well given the schedule. Compare our games vs aston villas games for example. Night and day difference in difficulty theyve played Brighton, Liverpool and Newcastle..

[@hodor6159]

🤡

[@kitlow2970]

when are you guys going to address how good Villa have become? the last time you talked about them was when you dashed Emery for being one dimensional in his formation and tactics. this season has proven that wrong.

[@norbert4571]

In Rugby?

[@mitchellcful]

good because the PGMOL are employed by the Saudi state yes?

[@familyread7889]

Let’s not get carried away yet, they are two points ahead of Man Utd as we speak

[@pyrosdestiny]

This aged well

[@doncorleole2356]

And then thy got clapped by bloody Dortmund

[@SirAmnesia]

half the teams injured and the other half is knackered from playing united, arsenal, and then dortmund within 7 days

[@anas5847]

​@@SirAmnesiayes, that's no excuse to get slapped at home and away by a regular UCL team like Dortmund

[@syox3667]

Dortmund is a very big team lol, acting like they are some unknowns

[@dddgtsd]

you talk like Dortmund are a crap team ffs, they are much more established team than we are

[@unclem7816]

Please do how bad west ham are.

[@quangtrungbui675]

actually Newcastle has one weakness in their team, even provided examine their ideal first XI, their well-rounded nature of most players except Trippier and Bruno G. It's not a bad thing at all to have a team with highly fluid team, and even unorthodox combinations like the rare occasions Almiron leaves his flank to go to the opposite one to add numerical advantage, their output surely proves the point when regarding their stable goal and points output. But the "well-rounded players" feature makes them highly vulnerable againt an all-rounded and/or unorthodox team since they don't have enough capacity to deal with the other team's unique or even highly oiled attacks. Man City is one orthodox team, Liverpool is one-notch better than them, Arsenal is just levels lower than City but still better, Dortmund is also a case when they cannot exploit Dortmund's awful system and spirit effectively. It will take them some time to ugrade the team from well-rounded to all-rounded, and until they have a chance to meet a special player.

[@JUANTOMASJUAN]

2nil loss to dortmund..what an easy prediction...!!!because eddie howe have nothing idea in his PLAN B!!

[@husseinjmakshofi2697]

They will just buy

[@RyanAustinDean]

Because Saudi. This could have been a two second video.

[@dddgtsd]

this video is about tactics.

[@RyanAustinDean]

@@dddgtsd Tactics using players bought by people who saw journalists into pieces and remain unaccountable because of oil leverage and billions. 👍🏻

[@dddgtsd]

no I get your point but there are plenty of channels/podcasts discussing the sportswashing and political side of football. Tifo are doing a video about how the team plays on the pitch.

[@TheLewinsB]

@@RyanAustinDeanTactics used by an Englishman who is a top manager, stop being salty

[@Mase1591]

I enjoy what you do and I'm always interested in what Jon has to say, but you guys need to have a bit of a rethink because this is the 3rd time this season you've made this exact video. You either need fresh voices, fresh topics, or a fresh format because you're just repeating content at this stage.

[@scottbain8415]

Nothing but blood money

[@davidbennett3833]

Haunt? We're the top scorers in the league

[@AndyZhax]

Dortmund never got the memo. 🤣

[@pozsoz]

they may be the real deal, but are they the bee's knees?

[@geordiedog1749]

Brought you by the salty tears of Mikel Arteta.

[@Luis-kv8zc]

As Wolves fans who have gotten robbed basically every week, people like you are why the refs are still allowed. Instead of standing against the blatant incompetence, you take the piss out of other teams when your team gets lucky with the ref call. And all of it just goes to help City win the league for the nth time

[@esa_is_awesome]

​@@Browne7100 quality sodium chloride. best quality salt

[@M4NA5]

@@Luis-kv8zcWe need a new term for sportswashing considering how rinsed these Newcastle “fans” have gotten ever since the takeover. Cheque clear, goal given.

[@Goonerpoo]

@@Luis-kv8zc What a sensible comment. How many points have the Wolves had to drop this season because of officiating? Even as a non-Wolves fan, I think it's really serious. I think the Wolves should make a statement too.

[@geordiedog1749]

@@Luis-kv8zc See, no! I stand against a manger trying to divert the attention away from his own failure by blaming someone else. Our goal was an incredibly hard goal to call. No argument. The decisions were hard. There was nothing clear cur about it. Arteta said they were “embarrassing’ and “shameful”. Nope. They were not. They may well be wrong but they were not obvious in any way. Arteta knows that his team - except Rice + played poorly and when the whole team play badly it’s down to the manager. He needs to accept that and not jump on some perceived bandwagon of slagg8ng off VAR. The refs and VAR get the vast majority of calls right remember. Wolves had a shocker v Man Utd - no argument. But it needs encourage,ent as a system and not slagging off because you bolted your game.

[@adzriak.4817]

saka,rice,raya,gordon, schar,pope,burn...then theres BENJAMIN white 😂

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

ikr, he's not even white anymore.

[@DogukanSeptem]

Saudi money and lack of a backbone from both uefa and english fa. No need for tacticos, answer is much simpler.

[@k-cr6nv]

Real deal in ufc not epl 😂

[@jgons]

they're not the real deal. the refs took the wrong side of everything for them to get the goal on arsenal and not have Bruno red carded.

[@colin8338]

So many salty arsenal fans 😂it’s actually brilliant! 🎉

[@thejoulesthief6841]

A lot of it is justifiable. We've been on the wrong end of tons of VAR and bad reffing. Tomi's sending off ("time-wasting", tackle to 2nd yellow), Kovacic staying on after 2 blatant "orange" fouls, the "forearm" hit from Guimares on Jorginho. For our streak to end that way really hurts. A win is a win though for you so you should be happy.

[@liesideways]

"salty" "crying" "pissing" come up with something new geordies

[@ossiaigbedo7223]

No. Saudi clubs won this week. Get used to it. Favourable terms clearly. You’ll never see City, Newcastle or Chelsea suffer from inconsistent VAR turmoil. Yes PFI the Saudi foreign investment branch invested in Clearlake capital which is what Todd Boehly owns partially. If you think only players are being paid by Saudi you’re insane

[@dddgtsd]

the VAR calls were correct in the Spurs game, I dislike Chelsea but I think you're just using confirmation bias to prove your little theory correct

[@TheLewinsB]

Tin foil hat much

[@haikrisna2092]

Newcastle is mid table team they lucky to get ucl spot look how they perform on the group 🤭

[@bathy94]

By beating PSG and drawing away to Milan? Grow up

[@onurbschrednei4569]

@@bathy94 They're last place in their group and lost two times to Dortmund... Newcastle is already out of the champions league.

[@bathy94]

@@onurbschrednei4569 two points off qualifying with two matches remaining, so they're not out are they. Back to maths class for you!

[@onurbschrednei4569]

@@bathy94 Haha, good luck, chances are next to zero but its great that you're so hopeful.

[@rheinhardtgrafvonthiesenha8185]

Proper dadbod

[@jefepeeps4308]

Lost to 10 men Liverpool but ok

[@ian-flanagan]

… who drew with Luton! It’s 38 games.

[@jefepeeps4308]

@@ian-flanagan Doesn't say much for Newcastle, does it?

[@jefepeeps4308]

@@gunkspirit still not impressed by Newcastle. Back to back VAR decisions have gone their way leading to undeserved 4 points in the last two matches

[@MrTim207]

If they’re not now then they certainly will be once the Saudi sportswash cash takes a real hold.

[@user-vg4yg8xg8i]

Does the man in the red jumper get paid for this?

[@LancerPedia]

19:32 "Journalists dedicated to each premier league team, so every fan gets the coverage they deserve, not just the big clubs..." Besides Newcastle (which is arguably in the big 7) we haven't had a video outside of the big 6 for 2 months, which was on Everton on the 15th of September. Time to redo this ad, no?

[@alexwill3933]

this is tifo not the athletic

[@Will-zg3lw]

Also where is Joe

[@RedloopGaming]

that’s for the Athletic not for this channel

[@williamahmed354]

lol. They just got beat 2-0 hahahahaha

[@felixmk1715]

No, you mugs. They elbowed and went in late all day just to score a jammy winner. Is Everton the real deal now too?

[@NUFC4LIFE-3]

🍼🍼🍼

[@Will-zg3lw]

Eddie Howell gave them the Mean Machine, getting away with fouls talk before the match.

[@barryh.4220]

Howe

[@Eanakba]

So many bad calls this match.

[@samwisethegreat23]

Stoke witu money

[@ZombieDeathProof]

🤫

[@elingrome5853]

way aye. man. probably not.

[@a-manthegeneral]

Such a good video, and the comments are filled with Arsenal smh

[@zsht]

Take away the false goal, they got 0.16 xG at home. What ‘real deal’ team creates 0.16 xG at HOME 😂

[@user-vg4yg8xg8i]

That’s if the goal was disallowed. But it wasn’t actually disallowed! That’s because there was no legitimate reason to.

[@hoodinisharif1860]

Waiting for the spurs vid when we go undefeated

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

this didn't age well now did it?

[@angzukoavatar4845]

No

[@Incurious_]

Aaaaaa-Anthony Gordon!!! Aaaaaa-Anthony Gordon!!!

[@Rodrifuuu]

Great way to get engagement from people annoyed at the blatant corruption that gave them 3 points.

[@liesideways]

PR mill spinning real hard rn

[@ian-flanagan]

You disagree with the opinion… and your conclusion is someone has paid for this opinion? Because there’s no natural way opinions could oppose yours? I can’t believe how many mentally ill people there are these days.

[@Blurifying]

lol

[@niftykitty7926]

Lmao

[@zlatanmorrison8182]

Not yet no, however they have established themselves as a credible threat to most teams now, rather than the guaranteed 3 pts they used to be - I am sure over the coming seasons with further investment and their 'end game 'manager (whoever that will be) will turn them into something akin to Man City.

[@JulieDorsetBelle]

Eddie Howe IS the 'end game' manager...

[@KindredBrujah]

Not sure what you've been watching, but Howe could easily be that end game manager. Remains to be seen how he can handle a team of superstars, but he has the tactical nous without question.

[@joeldurr2714]

SAFC

[@NUFC4LIFE-3]

Who?

[@user-xf8qr4qz4f]

😂 bet you cry yourself to sleep

[@craiglee3653]

700m and Arteta had no plan B.

[@jakubcygan8265]

if Saudis keep paying the refs off, sure

[@jaskiratuppal6935]

Tifo becoming what it set out to beat. Gaming the algorithm for clicks more than doing actual analysis.

[@danrono9725]

Go cry with Mikel, we all love Arsenal's tears, you actually thought the league was yours this season 😂😂😂

[@NitishDeuri]

against tactics eddie howe never gonna win the league but will remain in top 4.. Against teams who keep more possesion like city,arsenal.Eddie howe plays aggressive football because they can never catch the player. So they push the opponent player and commit foul. Eddie can play short of passing games against lower of the table team but can't never play against team like pep and arteta

[@ian-flanagan]

I would have sacrificed a finger to *only* “remain in top 4”. In your analysis, you might first consider the Championship players still in the starting 11, before critique what Howe is capable of, and you should definitely consider more than just the most recent game (although the most recent games have been victories over both Pep and Arteta….)

[@berlinocelot]

No.

[@InquisitiveHombre]

Why is the bald guy so uptight?

[@steve89..]

As insufferable as Liverpool fans, but without success.

[@Jaime_c6]

never seen a meltdown like arsenal have had, nothing wrong with the goal. should focus on their team only having one shot on target and playing very poorly.

[@ian-flanagan]

As a NU fan, I’ll grant the goal was borderline (x3), and Bruno should have been sent off… but same for Havertz. It’s just laughable Arteta blows up over this borderline case, but defended VAR for the TOTLIV “offside” which is the maybe joint worst we’ve seen.

[@marcusosborne9184]

Have you not seen the clear handball there's plenty of angles now available

[@ian-flanagan]

@@marcusosborne9184 I saw the match, which is what the officials have access to. Unless… you want time traveling refs? Or pause the game for hours to collect all media footage? What are you asking for specifically?

[@marcusosborne9184]

@@ian-flanagan I'm asking for refs to see two hands fully extended on Gabriel's back at least,can't blame arteta for going crazy when it's clear to see same as brentford last season clear off side but lines weren't drawn when arsenal were in a tittle race take,time and make the right decision if joelinton dosent handball it the ball is going away from him and the goal dosent happen same with the push

[@ian-flanagan]

@@marcusosborne9184 So now you’re saying they should penalise foul, not handball? To me it’s borderline, can go either way depending on the ref (and yes, that’s annoying, but that’s how football’s always been) I can blame Arteta when he defends the refs for the TOTLIV “offside” which is the joint worst thing I’ve witnessed. Getting the lines wrong should be totally unthinkable

[@dbz9393]

Why do we care about the Saudi national team? Talk about real clubs please

[@ian-flanagan]

The fact you comment on Man City shows your grandstanding doesn’t even pass the first test of moral consistency

[@jaskiratuppal6935]

I think the more potent question to ask is "Can they do it without hitting other teams players and being unnecessarily agressive during play stops?"

[@phigbill]

Let me guess, an Arsenal fan? 😂😂😂

[@TeddymanYT]

​@@phigbillBeing against intentional violent conduct in games is very controversial these days

[@Brunos-magic-hat]

Ask Man United and Man City.

[@jaskiratuppal6935]

@@phigbill Let me guess, a useless comment?

[@JulieDorsetBelle]

Unfortunately mate - Arsenal started it and the ref was too soft...Arsenal were dirty cheats and deserved everything they got...

[@felixmk1715]

Bruno deserves 3 matches for the elbow on Jorginho. Criminal.

[@ABC112010]

CHEATCASTLE

[@user-xf8qr4qz4f]

😂😂😂

[@snowymatrix]

No, they are just Stoke with cash👍

[@NUFC4LIFE-3]

And great management and players, there fixed it for ya 👍🏻

[@thomasandrewhitchen273]

They have a lot of positions to upgrade, still. It's apt that Gordon is in the thumbnail, as he's one of the players that isn't good enough to be in a regular Champions League team, which is what they aspire to be.

[@atourdeforce]

Clueless

[@huwjass4832]

Found the Everton fan

[@SaturnusDK]

The player of the tournament in the U21 Euros isn't good enough for the UCL?

[@tbc8954]

Football isn’t for you

[@thomasandrewhitchen273]

@@huwjass4832 Nope, Rotherham

[@MrAnds14]

Let’s not get it twisted. They didn’t deserve to win against Arsenal. But yea let’s praise them because they play the British way. Jeez.

[@T.E.S.S.]

the bonesaws are the real deal

[@atourdeforce]

Bone saws and money, is a fantastic combination. Cry more 😭