Why Nobody Is Buying Graphics Cards Anymore

[@leadfarmer5563]

When a gpu is nearly a rent payment, it makes it hard to justify. Especially when a new one will be out in 1-2 years.

[@ToreOnYouTube]

To be fair, the production cost of wafers are increasing exponentially, as the transistor size goes down. Maybe, instead of trying to go lower every few years, try doing better collab with software developers to optimize performance.

[@over9000optimally]

Holy crap. GPU's cost way more than my rent. Your area must be pricy.

[@EaglePicking]

A new one is always out in 1-2 years.

[@Jesus_Christ_is_Lord_]

​@@over9000optimally rent where I'm at is $3000- $5000 and climbing

[@asoka7752]

@@ToreOnKZbin why they don't release more older gen GPUs at affordable rate?

[@takeoffwithjakesoft]

It's like nVidia and AMD are actively trying to kill PC gaming.

[@b0rg1010]

... and it's working. I have no interest in buying a new GPU anytime soon and I use to upgrade and buy new hardware on an 'as and when' basis.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

@@b0rg1010 having joined the PC master race in 1994, I remember back then it seemed like every six months to a year there was a new graphics card or processor that blew away the last one... the pace of improvement has stagnated over the past couple of decades to the point where we're using hardware that's a few generations back and it's still "fine." I haven't seen so much "upgrade inertia" since the late 80's (when I was watching the market from behind a Commodore 64) when people had Turbo XT's with Hercules or CGA displays and upgrading to EGA or VGA was a major jump for them, and the 386 was out of reach financially. If anything, it's worse because of the stagnation of real wages (and thus disposable income) for the majority.

[@carlofontejon2811]

Maybe that is the new world order

[@fwef7445]

they clearly want you to buy a console instead, never been a better time to get a ps5, especially with all the crap pc ports of late. Guess I can always use my pc for non demanding indy titles

[@arenzricodexd4409]

no such thing. nvidia and AMD are just try to milk those that are thinking pc gaming is all about PCMR. years ago they also PC gaming is dead because console in so much better in certain aspect. and yet PC gaming still live to this day. all this new expensive hardware only going to piss hardware enthusiast that like to upgrade on more regular basis because now it is very expensive to do so.

[@zachb2046]

There was *never* a graphics card more than 500 bucks I was tempted to buy. The companies are nuts!

[@teeaymusik9811]

Exactly.. Just bought an beautiful white edition zotac 3060 with 12gb and it's fast enough for me as I'm not really a gamer. Great card got it for 350.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

I never got it myself "So this RTX 3090 can do true 4K with ray tracing and high settings?" "Yes" "then what can this 4070/80/90/ti do that it cannot?" "It... costs more?" They've got to be incredibly mad/stupid/greedy to think the prices they ask relative to what these cards bring to the table is worth it.

[@sepg5084]

Yeah. PS5s MSRP is less than $600, i'd rather buy that than build a gaming PC. My PS4 is still alive all these years after i bought it 10 years ago. I won't be surprised if PS5 will also survive that long, maybe i'd buy one once i find a new game that i am willing to spend money on.

[@coops1992]

I wonder when a card like rtx 3090 will go down to 500 bucks? Maybe 3 years more? Then I'll prob get it cause it can run 4k smoothly.

[@robertsteiner4696]

​@coops1992 Given inflation combined with everytbing else going on, 5 years is the probably time things get reasonable again. That is, of course, hinged on the USD not falling off the fucking earth even more than all it has which given what's happening in the world is HIGHLY likely at this point so.....its gonna be a long time.

[@aaron_d_henderson1984]

the problem with the high end gpu market, is that you can get an entire desktop PC system (with a good video card) for what they are asking for a single video card.

[@jebes909090]

So whats the problem then. If you can get an entire pc and a good video card for the same price then theres no problem.

[@yourbarber6732]

@@jebes909090I was able to get a pc with a 3070 but it was my first pc. Lots of ppl are just trying to upgrade pcs that they already have so it’s kinda outrageous that 1 upgrade could go for the price of their whole pc

[@hyhhy]

@@jebes909090 The industry has the problem.

[@jebes909090]

@@hyhhy the entire world has a problem, not an optional part industry. Good luck trying to buy a house. The price has increased 5-10x in the past ten years. Grocieries cost 5-10x as much. Gas has increased 2-3x.

[@Dafoodmaster]

What country do you live, jebes?

[@Hashterix]

I remember when the most powerful cards were an eyewatering £400. Now you can pay double that and still be 2 or 3 tiers below the flagship card.

[@Hashterix]

@@SgtShnackendale There's just no point in going for flagships anymore. They cost silly money just because they can. But even the tiers below are about a third to double what they should really be priced at. Crypto miners really fucked us all over and now card manufacturers are refusing to put up with demands for reasonable value. 4060 is a joke compared to the 3060.

[@towngirlz]

I bought an Nvidia 8800GTX when they came out for around £450, it was the 2nd most powerful card on the market after the 8800 Ultra!

[@michaelkores6860]

Well, I remember paying around 300 Euro for 4 mb of ram. Yes, megabytes not gigabytes. Pricing adjusted roughly to inflation and back then I payed around 4000 for an office desktop pc.

[@Hashterix]

@@michaelkores6860 yes but that's how things should be, getting cheaper over time, unlike graphics cards

[@justaguy1253]

@@towngirlz the 8800 GTX was a beast. I remember that thing still kicked ass in 2012-2013.

[@sounghungi]

The GPU market is a great lesson on how even if there is a duopoly, the market still has to compete with other products because 1600 dollars used to buy a GPU is 1600 dollars that could be used on a trip, new hobby, fancy dinner, tickets, Steam Deck, console, etc. People only have a certain amount of money and at some point they'll just use that money on something else.

[@timmy3822]

Honestly, if it weren’t for me being a massive flight sim nut and needing to upgrade due to system bottlenecks I’d be keeping my 2080 for a long time yet. I can easily max out most games so long as RT isn’t on. At this point I reckon if I didn’t play RTS or simulators I’d just stick with a console.

[@cattysplat]

Huge amount of the market has switched back to console gaming. Or just nothing when nothing is worth playing.

[@baraka629]

@@cattysplat i don't see any statistics indicating anyone would have switched to consoles or abandoned PC gaming. just looking at steam charts the player counts for the big titles like CS, Dota, Apex, PUBG etc are all consistent. maybe you mean players of games outside of the steam platform like LoL, WoW, Fortnite and the likes jumped ship but i see no news indicating that, though to be fair other companies are way less transparent with their player numbers.

[@baraka629]

@@cattysplat if anything the player numbers for CSGO have risen from ~1M concurrent player peaks throughout 2022 to ~1.3-1.4M jan-mar 23. lots of people coming from consoles forget that the habits of PC gamers are completely different than those of console gamers, for example a large portion of the PC gaming community just sticks with one favourite game over years, while on consoles it is common to get the "new big release" on launch day, play it for a while then move on to the next hot new thing. Buying a new Fifa or COD yearly etc. You will find people on PC doing that, but not nearly as prevalent.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

​@@baraka629 I switched back to consoles. The last console I had was a PS3 but now I have a PS5 and Series S. Those two combined couldn't have gotten me a decent GPU so yeah I'm out of PC gaming and my 1070 will be it for 2 or 3 more years.

[@mattsmash93]

I had a 1060 up until a couple of weeks ago. I now have a 3070 that I picked up used for a very reasonable price. It’s quite the difference, but to be honest, the 1060 was still holding its on pretty well. Nvidia and AMD have lost their minds with this pricing.

[@MineikaXD]

i might understand amd but nvidia was just being ngreedia, they keep amping up the prices so of course amd have to atleast follow a little bit or else they will just lose their market shares

[@MrTrancelator]

They probably use the same logic as gacha game developers: they started relying on a limited but wealthy population of "whales" who always buy the best for bragging rights. Myself, I'm still running a 1080Ti, and even though I don't have ray-tracing, I don't think I'm missing out on anything really "game-changing". Based on RTX on and off images posted on the web, I consider RTX more of a gimmick than a "must have" feature.

[@Stromn83]

not really , money just isnt worth what it was years ago when a high end card was only 650. speed it forward to today and that same 650 is more around 1200...lets go brandon.

[@envy851]

so true

[@AndrewKennethColborn]

Nvidia ceo has dementia

[@Krankie_V]

I'm still rocking my 1080 Ti. It works great for 1080p gaming. I would really enjoy an upgrade, but I can't justify the cost because I just dont have much time to play games anymore.

[@pascalschwager1467]

Same 😂 Still rocking the 1080 and it's fine, I don't need any more

[@1986tessie]

Same, was a mad card when I got it. Years ago but beside the point. Lol

[@Krankie_V]

@1986tessie yeah man I felt like a total badass for ten minutes, then a better card released 🤣

[@TheOneTrueFett]

Still banging my 1080ti, no problems with gaming. The only issues I have are when I try to upscale certain games to like 200x resolution with everything else also set on ultra lol

[@shadowfox662]

I still have my 1070ti an it does the job well even today

[@jackbrown6788]

As someone who is more than overdue an upgrade (still running a 1070), the thing that's putting me off is that many of the AAA titles being benchmarked on a 4070ti or 4080 aren't achieving amazing results and so these cards don't look massively future proof. If I spend £1000-£1200 on a card I want it to last me about 6 years. Plus, a lot of recent games just don't appeal to me so it's hard to justify the purchase. I'll just wait until this thing completely packs up and then get something mid-range.

[@righteousone8454]

Bro, I am sorry, but what are you talking about? I went from RTX 3070 (which scorches your 1070) to 4080, which scorches my RTX 3070. From 1080p to 1400p I saw leaps and bounds on my GeForce 1080 to RTX 3070 upgrade. I also had 1070ti, and 3070 scorches both of them. You have 1070 and talking about "4070ti or 4080 aren't achieving amazing results" Go buy RTX 4090, that scorches RTX 4080 if you want that insane improvement, but stop spreading misinformation. RTX 3070 obliterates your 1070, let alone 4080

[@trr4gfreddrtgf]

I fully agree. 12gbs on the 4070 ti isn't going to be enough long term. 16gbs won't last much longer. Better off going for the 7900xt for that 20gbs of vram.

[@R6ex]

Yup. None of the cards are able to max settings all games at 4K120. 😪

[@Stavrosstavrosstavros]

@righteousone8454 what he is saying is, given that he is paying 1200 for a card it should at least last for 6 years max settings AAA games at max settings 140+ fps 4k since, since 4k is the new max resolution and for the 1080p of 2016, when the max tier card cost 700 was maxing everything and was priced lower even accounting for inflation

[@dex6316]

@@righteousone8454 you clearly don’t know what op was talking about. Op wasn’t saying that the latest GPUs don’t demolish their 3070. Op was saying the latest cards don’t demolish the latest games, only the 4090 does that. The 4090 is going to be able to last a very long time, but op is doubting the 4070 and 4080 will have that same longevity. If the longevity isn’t extremely high, then price must be lower to compensate for the shorter cycle. Price is not lower, and in fact extremely high. A typically 1070 went for around $450 in 2016, which is around $550 today. A typical 4070 goes for around $850, which is around the inflation adjusted price of the 1080 in 2016. The 1080 had the benefit of being the flagship, while the 4070 is only around the 5th or 6th strongest card on the market today.

[@AAjax]

I'm worried about the very real possibility of getting laid off, and putting food on the table in the face of high inflation. I'm not worried about saving up so I can buy Jensen a new leather jacket. I don't care to run a portable space-heater PC with self-igniting cables and exotic cooling requirements, either. Lots of things pushing me away from upgrading my PC, and honestly, I don't really care anymore.

[@sayeretmatkaal]

Been there. Dread it. Maybe this will work for you too : 1) Identify long-term hardware that is dependent on costly proprietary software (John-Deere, BMW, Apple...) 2) Identify good people with complementary skills 3) Verify market by talking to some prospects 4) Do a Linux ! Develop an alternative, with essential features, requested by user, etc. Because of corporate greed, this is a HUGE market and not likely to diminish. Stay small to avoid prosecution or become big enough to win

[@frameripperz8794]

Most likely you don’t even need a upgrade

[@SIPEROTH]

This shows how their tactics shrink their own market. People that used to care about buying GPU's now saw how they don't really need them as much or bought a console etc etc and got out of the habit of getting new GPU every little while and now this companies are left with a shrink market. This will come back to bite them no matter what anyone thinks. Nvidia already has more inventory in their storage than they EVER had.

[@hihellothere9569]

@@sayeretmatkaal Linux sucks tho

[@sayeretmatkaal]

@@hihellothere9569 How? There are HUNDREDs of Linux models out there, atleast a few should satisfy ANY requirement. Or you can even make your own (LFS, Gentoo, Arch) Or are you shilling for gates/apple? 😃

[@bingbashbosh1]

Blows my mind when you can buy a full rig with a beast graphics card for just slightly more than the card you want on its own. THAT IS INSANE!

[@lucasRem-ku6eb]

old GTX 1070 system, yeah, the PC is not worth any, the card is !

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

Until people stop paying the prices for the GPU’s just gonna continue and what’s even worse is the people that buy every new generation like they do with iPhones and the Samsung galaxies they don’t do anything particularly better, but he has a People that more money than brains, and they got to have a new no matter what

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

@@lucasRem-ku6eb 1070 is still an excellent card and still play modern games you’re not gonna be getting 300 FPS but who cares there’s still a ton of people out there using 60 Hz monitor still so via 4090 and you don’t buy a high refresh monitor what’s the point

[@lucasRem-ku6eb]

​@@South_0f_Heaven_ They needed $600 + for these cards, yeah keep it please! The issue with GTX 1070 is resolution, 1920x1080 max, it can do esports on high framerates !

[@over9000optimally]

Doesn't make any sense to me. Even with consoles, the price difference between a new console and a new SSD or older gen with hard drives wasn't actually that much. In some cases, the hardrives were more expensive.

[@FlavorsomeMusic]

Why would I buy a 1200$ gpu to play a 120$ game that is not fun and asks me to spend like, 120$ more every month in microtransactions when I can play a banger 20$ indie game like cosmoteer on my 400$ laptop with 0 gaming hardware ?

[@Bigboss-xe6lm]

Thats a really good game, and point

[@quixmith]

I remember a time where you didn't have to save up for months just to buy a PC component... but now it's insane

[@cesartapia610]

Yeah you probably could've gotten a decent low-mid card for less than a weeks wage not too long ago.

[@ronnierabell1]

That's because these KZbinrs are making it a trend. Then companies add more crap into to it and then the price blow up in our faces

[@ddubz6356]

Stimulus bill did more bad than good 😂

[@francopereyra6659]

Now you now how hard is to get something in third world country

[@LudusAurea]

Have literally had a stack of parts on the table for 5 months. Gpu and mobo is $3000 combined.

[@NOLAgenX]

I was an avid hardware guy for years. Now though, once prices exponentially rose, I have tuned out of the hardware scene. I play on 1440p and am content with my old 8700k and 2080Ti. The only concession I took two years ago was to double RAM from 16 to 32 GB. I’m happy and play everything I want to play.

[@mugetsu9948]

same, i have a 9900k overclocked 5ghz and 2080 ti, at some point i just decided everything runs badly on PC is just bad optimization & lazy devs and games just doesn't seem to be that much difference from 4 years ago either, Like it's never about optimizing the game but more like what's the top card in the market atm, devs will only optimize barely so the game is playable on THAT CARD. Most new techs are just new software tricks or dedicated hardware for specific task like tensor-core.

[@mr.e4202]

Still running a reg rtx 2080 I got a deal on years ago. 5800x with 32gb ddr4 and theres nothing i have a problem running at 1440 even some 4k 60ish

[@s2korpionic]

That's not old, and most people still don't have a 1440p monitor.

[@NOLAgenX]

@@s2korpionic In the world of PC hardware, 2018 is old. I just stopped caring anymore, but all the people still into hardware will be happy to explain how much things have moved on since then.

[@tweedeldee8122]

Yea. I'm so old that once we hit 60FPS andn1080P I figure that's better than my old eyes (who grew up with 260 resolution TV). Was into overclocking in the 90's/2000's. Now I don't care. Wish I could find a new game that I wanted to play. My around $200 RX 580 is all I need at the moment, minus a VR set a friend gave me. Any suggestions on a open world RPG with F5 saving like Skyrim, Witcher?

[@chrism3790]

During the crypto craze, Nvidia and AMD fell for the illusion that gamers want high end cards. Most don't care too much. Now that mining is dead, the performance/price is simply abysmal. I still have a 1650 Super. Sure, the newest games aren't really playable on it, but there are sooooo many older games that are really good, fun, and don't require a high end GPU. And let's be real, most people can't afford the latest games anyway, which means they can't afford to blow 800 bucks on a GPU either. Bottom line is: most games run fine if you compromise on settings, and the gains for high end hardware are pretty marginal. Yeah, it's a subpar experience for some people, but it's enough for those who care more about the gameplay than the looks of a game, and don't want to break the bank. That is most people. I don't know, but it feels like GPUs have reached the same kind of product maturity as smartphones, where paying for the premium stuff doesn't really get you that much more.

[@randomrfkov]

It was always the Mid-Range and Budget gpus that sold well. Because, guess why? Most gamers are teens or young adults with limited cash flow. Steam stats says everything. Never mind that there is a global demand. It's not just North America and Western Europe that want these things.

[@TheMarcelo88]

Is mining dead? Didn't know that

[@hammerth1421]

@@TheMarcelo88 Things like Bitcoin run best on dedicated ASIC machines. Etherium or more precisely Ether was by far the biggest GPU-mined crypto and it changed to proof-of-stake, an economic model which eliminates the need for wasteful mining (and makes the already scammy thing more scammy but whatever)

[@mafiousbj]

Also most PC games aren´t PC exclusive anymore and are aimed at console specs, so any 1000$ graphics card is orders of magnitude overqualified for the job ^^

[@AYAKXSHI]

@@mafiousbjalso pc games are usually the worse ports or any game out so ppl usually buy for there console first anyways

[@jimi_jams]

Got a RTX 2070 super right before the huge spike in prices, it lets me play all the games I enjoy on high or max setting with little to no stuttering for the most part, even 3 years on. I have literally no reason to get a better card.

[@mrsteel250]

Same boat here, if the game developers give half a shit about optimizing the 2070 can run on high!

[@peteri9973]

All fun an games till they push out a "update" that your cards can't handle

[@scottd7222]

Bro I'm using a Vega 64 and it still getting the job done 😂

[@eaglechawks3933]

The prices are just insane for the amount of actual "upgrade" you are getting from version to version. Scalpers and Cryptominers drove the price beyond all reason for most people. It is a price point issue -- you can get people to pop out $400 if you can see a serious visual difference, but the plus $1K market is going to be small.

[@Yatukih_001]

The employers had no idea how much it would benefit others to have their salaries raised. That is where things stopped. So now people are going to move to the recycling industry and then to other places where it will be easier for them to expect faster and more transparent money transfers.

[@josephschultz]

Yep I bought and built my last PC I have around $2,500.00 tied up in it with all hardware Monitor keyboard ETC I will not need another for at least the next 6-7 years if not longer

[@Saxgod]

Well no need to worry about crypto miners because eth2 is POS so no more GPU mining. So the prices should start getting back to normal within 6-8 months

[@Artholos]

This is such petulant crying. You can’t blame scalpers and cryptominers when they’re buying GPUs and then not buy any when they’re available. It’s like a child NOT playing with their toy, but suddenly wants to play the the toy when another kid plays with it. Non-crypto consumers have a lot of options, like the RTX 20 series is so underrated and crypto mined 30 series GPUs are relatively cheap and pretty reliable. It’s not only crypto miners fault, if it’s anyone’s fault, it’s consumers too.

[@Saxgod]

@@Artholos well you can’t blame them anymore and I’m fact you can probably buy some used cards for a good price. Think LTT did a test on crypto mining cards and they ran fine and you get them for a used price

[@xentaatnex8261]

I got tired of the market manipulation. It made me realize that my need is stronger than my want.

[@breannafrank4946]

Good cryband not have a pc

[@bodasactra]

Many creators warned that GPU makers scalping consumers for their stimulus checks during a crisis would have long term negative impact on interest. I understand once a corporation can make quadruple margins its hard to go back but the way they keep trying to artificially stimulate the market to fit that fantasy has only made it worse. Gaming has had total collapse in the past and its certain to occur again. Perhaps its now, and frankly i am glad for it. Its the only hope for a return to quality and value across the gaming industry. Great vid, nailed it!

[@gogereaver349]

I don't think there's anything to do with scalpers. People are just not seeing a need to upgrade their systems when the games they play are several years old. It's more new games are not selling other than the select few

[@frallorfrallor3410]

@@gogereaver349 i only upgrade when i have to lol

[@dergunter1237]

wont keep going on for long especially due to the recession and peoples financial issues, they will either halt production and research to cut on cost which would mean utter technological stagnation and than death of the company or they will have to lower prices or produce more affordable models

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

Corporations tend to be myopic in regards to their greed/profits. Far from the most pragmatic of approaches indeed.

[@shaunhall6834]

Great insight!

[@ieaturanium574]

Remember: There are a ton of older games you can play, you don't need a new GPU. Let them choke on their stock. If your old GPU breaks, buy an APU instead of a GPU. Intel Pentium G604+motherboard would be a lot cheaper than even the cheapest first hand GPU, and it can still run old games.

[@StephieCopper1985]

Gaming at 1440p is enough.

[@patrickmccarron2817]

This is the first time in my life I’m actually considering getting a console rather than upgrading my PC. It’s not even an issue of being able to afford it, I just cannot justify the price no matter how I spin it.

[@aiodensghost8645]

PS5 is your best bet. If you like Game Pass, I say skip the Series S and go for the X. Too many performance problems on the S.

[@SigmaGrindset-vg4oh]

Did exactly that by going for the PS5. The performance is stable, the games are decent (let's be honest, modern games are terrible, but there are still some that are worth it). My only recommendation is that you should probably think about 6950 XT for 1440p or even 4K, if you already have a PC tower that can fit it and a capable PSU, as it's quite a good deal these days (if you live in a country with cheap electricity that is).

[@bndtx3]

@@aiodensghost8645 there honestly nothing wrong with the series S the way things are going with physical gaming I’d say stick with the S and get an expansion card. Save some money 💰

[@wonder_9315]

I’m kinda in the same boat. I’m playing a lot less games now than I was when I was a teenager and into computers. My PC is pretty dated, but still able to perform almost anything I need it to, with some adjustments. But rather than throw a ton of money into updates, I’d almost rather shoot for a PS5 or Xbox. I’m not playing many games, and it’s not a passion of mine at all anymore. Only thing is that I exclusively play FPS games on Mouse / Keys and have an extensive library I don’t wanna restart

[@malachibeckner9334]

I’ll probably just get the steam deck whenever my pc dies or becomes too outdated

[@TerraWare]

With the current state of economy people are buying less in general so it's hardly a surprise. These new gpu's are luxury items for most of us anyway and those are the first things to take a hit during recessions.

[@Bustermachine]

And they're an even bigger luxury when you consider plenty of games are perfectly playable just by tuning the graphics down lower. Buying a new graphics card every couple of years in order to chase the absolute highest frame rate and resolutions is not just a luxury, it's a luxury within the hobby of gaming itself. And while I don't think it's bad at all that people spend their money on keeping at the bleeding edge, you really can enjoy games just fine at 1080p medium 60fps, I know that's heresy for some people, but it's true XD

[@lol-fs9rr]

@@Bustermachine i can play games like cyberpunk at 60fps or below in fact i usually average around 40-50 frames in cyberpunk with a 1660 super on low settings and its not that bad i dont notice the low frame rate but for fps titles like csgo/valorant anything below 80 frames is unbearable for me haha

[@1984-f5x]

Agreed. I’m tightening my GPU belt this year. I’m happy with my 3060 . With the games I have, I don’t need to run them on 4K.

[@gogereaver349]

I want you to the AMD integrated GPU the 2400g during the GPU shortage. The machine is several years old now and still plays most games just fine. I am upgrading to a 6900 HX this year finally though. And the PC supports thunderbolt 4 so I can put a GPU on if I want to. But literally everything I play the integrated is just fine.

[@TerraWare]

@@gogereaver349 Yeah as long as you're happy with what you got and it does what you need it to do that's what matters. I've mostly had desktop Ryzen's without integrated graphics R 2600/3700X/5900X. I put together a new pc a few months ago with a 7700X/4090 and the 7700X has integrated RDNA 2 cores but haven't really played with it at all.

[@jbountalas]

I upgraded to a 12 GB 3080 last year and it hasn't disappointed. I can probably wait for Nvidia's 80xx cards to come out before I consider upgrading. A video card is a discretionary purchase, and if you think about it, both AMD and Nvidia need us a lot more than we need them. RTX 4090, $2500. Really? They must be smoking some pretty good stuff.

[@doodystreams]

The 3080 are perfect. Bestbuy and micro center have the rtx4090 for 1699.99

[@00_UU]

I got my 4090 for 1700. Just don’t pay scalper prices

[@rggsf]

​@@00_UU it's not even worth 1700

[@jbountalas]

@@00_UU up here in Canada they are $2500. I prefer to keep my kidneys…

[@donquijote6030]

Same. I have the 12gb 3080 and have no plans to upgrade any of our family pcs for several years

[@TenseIntense]

I upgraded back in 2018 to a new PC with a RTX2080. Up until then, as far as I knew, the 1080 still was up there as one of the best cards and has been for years. Picture me surprised when NVIDIA released the 3080 just 2 years later.

[@15xgg80]

I’m still using my 1080 that I got on release day in 2016. Still plays most games on high on 1440p with no issues. I even beat cyberpunk when it first released with barely any issues. I have the money to upgrade to 4090 but I see no reason to.

[@Robo-xk4jm]

@@15xgg80 was wondering how tf you can play cyberpunk no problem when i cant without major lag spikes but then i looked it up and say the 1080 has 8 gb vram while for whatever reason they decided 3060 mobile chips would only get 6 gb, thought i lucked out getting a 3060 laptop while desktop gpus were basically nonexistent, but the 6 gb vram and the i7 cpu only having 4 cores proves me otherwise

[@jarirepo1172]

10 years ago, every new generation of GPUs were huge upgrade. It was always tough to decide whether to buy or wait, since so much progress was happening so fast. Last years, only thing that's been rising fast is prices. Yes, of course performance of new cards is somewhat better, but not at the level you'd really need to buy them or felt forced to buy them. And game devs have to make games mostly to fit what rigs people have so things have stalled a bit. Really, prices should come down or there should be bigger improvements in performance for most looking to get new GPU.

[@adamlarussa5243]

I somewhat agree with you. However, if you came from almost anything older/worse than a 3060(maybe even an 8 gig 3070) the performance upgrade would be massive if you went to a 4090 (maybe even the 4080).

[@cloudexmachina]

@@adamlarussa5243 but noone who has money to blow on a 4090 dient uprgade to the 30 series already. an everyone else just dosent want to spend that kind of money. They'll look for a 2060-90 or go with a 3060-90 if they wanna spend some cash

[@adamlarussa5243]

@Cloud Ex Machina thats not entirely true. I had a 3090ti, and went to a 4090. And even i can see the performance difference.

[@BLACKSYNTH]

hmm kind of, not really, the 4090 is about twice as fast as the 3090. thats the biggest leap. that really insane. but it's expensive so not pracicle for most people. the lower models arnt that much better over 30 series.

[@Mikenperu]

@@adamlarussa5243 But you are an exception, not the majority of the marketplace I'd think.

[@imushavem4061]

Instead of a new GPU, I got a Steam Deck. It seemed a better fit for how I play. Plus, if AAA games aim to play on portable systems like the Deck, these high end GPUs don't offer that much incentive to developers. I'm also finding indie developers are making the games that I find more interesting anyway.

[@GraphicalRanger]

Totally agree. After getting my Steam Deck my plans for upgrading my desktop PC have basically changed. I'm still rocking Gtx 980 I bought 2nd had just before the pandemic... but after Steam Deck which I prefer to play on, I'm not so bothered on desktop side for the next few years...

[@MrManchego43]

Im loving my steam deck, I play it way more than my gaming PC.

[@fwef7445]

better off getting a console for AAA games now, they're so badly optimised on PC they aren't worth the frustration. you have to be rich or dumb to buy a 4090 to play any of these unoptimised games

[@cihiris2206]

Agreed. The astronomical price of these new cards are really making mobile gaming look good! The Quest 2, 3 on the way and the Steam Deck yes!

[@Yatukih_001]

The high end GPUs offer incentives to 3 - D printing and graphics design and things like that. Advanced movie editing features, etc.

[@Faust_YT]

It's insane how the price of high end gpus doubled and some even tripled since the great crypto rush.

[@GrabbaBeer]

I’m glad it’s dropped since then!

[@simplebidnessman]

@@GrabbaBeer how much further do you think that GPU prices will fall?

[@GrabbaBeer]

@@simplebidnessman honestly looking at crypto prices I don’t think they’re going to drip anyone. Maybe 50-100 at most. I think they’re set higher now after everything else has gone up. Crypto seems to have bottomed out and gpu prices seem to have stabilized with its demand. But I could be wrong. No one knows what the market will truly do next

[@simplebidnessman]

@@thomasb282 New? From where?

[@tweedeldee8122]

I think they're milking it for all they can. Have to get rid of older Gen stock so they can't lower prices on the new.

[@threedog27]

Problem is also that there are literally no AAA games which are actually good. The most played games are all years old and even run on a potato. There is no real need to upgrade your system every once in a while. I have a 1070ti and can play everything I want with enough fps to enjoy it.

[@GotNextVideo]

40 series has brought substantial gen on gen performance and feature improvements, it's just the pricing that is out of whack. Crypto blew up GPU values to insane levels and nVidia forgot what the market is like when it's just gamers.

[@noiresama7222]

They no longer need gamers. Crypto miners and AI companies can generate thousands times more profit than gamers.

[@pooksthepossum]

@@noiresama7222 but now they NEED gamers since crypto markets are in the shitter for the last year and a half. So the statement "they forgot what it's like when it's just gamers" holds true right now. Crypto enthusiasts aren't buying nearly the same amount of cards or other mining equipment at this time.

[@HydratedBeans]

AI researchers are a very small market and crypto is basically dead.

[@noiresama7222]

@@HydratedBeans they also have productivity users

[@5bars3g36]

@@noiresama7222 most productivity users are corporate and thus don't buy at market, they get a negotiated company price

[@shawnadams1965]

My old 3700k system lasted 8 years with one upgrade to a 1080ti. I built a new PC right before the price boom (cyberpunk 2077 hype was real) and actually was able to buy a 3080 on release day for MSRP. I don't see me upgrading for a long time unless they drop prices down to a reasonable level again.

[@JustMe99999]

The prices aren't going to go down again.

[@benhawkins6510]

You won't need a new card for a loooooooong time. 3080 and above is going to be usable for at least 3 more generations.

[@blucuzzin]

@@benhawkins6510 think so? at 1440p im assuming?

[@24tommyst]

Word. I built my system--including down to the thermals paste that has an eight-year lifespan--to last eight years with hopefully no replacements and FOR SURE no upgrades. Gaming is fun and all but I'm not willing to pay $1000+/year to keep up with the latest shit.

[@johnvirginia7238]

My 2700 K did the same thing. And I also upgraded to a 1080 TI. But then I got a 3090 and I had that in there for a couple of weeks while I built new computer around it and I sold the 2700k setup without a video card at the height of crypto mining. And I sold the 1080 ti card separately for almost what I paid for it in 2017. I now have a 4080 FE . I probably won’t do any more upgrading at this point. A gen 5 tax 3.0 psu would be nice but instead, I just bought a nice corsair sleeved cable for the 16 pin

[@PropaneWP]

The biggest challenge for tech channels is that the Great GPU Price Crash that everyone waited for never really happened. I was LUCKY to get a 30-series card at (inflated) MSRP, and that was at the lowest dip possible here in Norway. That sucks. It's nowhere near the reasonable prices people hoped for. Of course that leads to resignation and disinterest. The only GPU news I'm interested in right now is Intel Arc. Where are all the millions of crypto farm GPUs? Where are all the scalped cards people were sitting on? We know they exist. Some of them have turned up in South America, with their chips literally painted over to look new. That explains some of it, but what about the rest? This is the kind of news I would like to see tech channels reporting on right now. Tech channels should give their test rigs some rest and adapt to meet what people want to see.

[@ruicosta1037]

Ikr? A fricking 3070ti still sits at $650-700, at least the good iterations and not Manli or whatever. Sure it used to be $1200 a couple years back, but it's still way overpriced for its age.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

the greed from mining just "evolved" and they got another idea about the maximize their money making scheme. the forth boom will come why should they sell all the GPU that they already had?

[@Cornelius87]

They're on ebay at least on the amd side you can regularly find 6600's for less than $200, 5700xt for around $170 and 5600xt for less than $150. Those are great value because even the 5600xt is still a very capable 1080p card way faster than 6400s and 6500s, so until they lower the price of those cards the used market won't go any lower.

[@PropaneWP]

@@arenzricodexd4409 I highly doubt there will be another GPU based mining boom. But if that were to happen, it would be more cost effective to use the newest hardware available.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@PropaneWP maybe. but don't underestimate greed. when Bitcoin migrate to ASIC we end up seeing new algo such as ether being created to be ASIC resistant. because some miner did not like those expensive ASIC only affordable to rich miner. and in initially it is all about AMD GPU only. but they see nvidia GPU and start creating new algo that is more optimized for nvidia architecture.

[@givenfool6169]

I remember scrounging up cheap used parts on ebay to get a decent gaming computer back in 2011-2015 it was super easy and it helped a lot of my friends get into pc gaming. Just something highschoolers could reasonably obtain if they really wanted it. No way this is the case now.

[@Jacob-F45]

I'm still actively looking to buy a GPU, but get discouraged when I'm faced with buying a "new" GPU that was released almost 3 years ago, or buying one that costs twice as much for a small uplift.

[@damienthorn1340]

I still remember buying my first card, a Voodoo 3 2000. This thing was maybe 2 models away from the very top range and only cost maybe 200 bucks, if that. It's really simple. The corporations may say this or that as to why the prices are rising, but the reality is because we only have two companies that make them to any standard, and the CEOs of both are cousins.

[@Grom84]

at that time nvidia was making crappy videocards nobody wanted to buy) the history repeats itsef lol

[@ThisOLmaan]

the Voodoo 😁👍🏻

[@patriotic8037]

Voodoo 😱🤯

[@dualfluidreactor]

if you don‘t want the expensive high end cards - the don‘t get them! don‘t lament that they exist, because they are the ones which in a couple of years you can get for cheap! ofc everybody wants high end for cheap - but then the gpu comapnies would be less profitable and would have less money overall to invest in new tech, rnd, and keep on pushing the tech forward! the people who are buying the high end cards are funding the improvement of the tech for everybody!

[@Mirsab]

Dude I thought maybe you're kidding about the last line but no, they're apparently actually literally relatives!!! 😂🤯 Talk about the chance of 2 relatives heading the world's GPU duopolies!

[@radicalcentrist4990]

Because my current card, a Radeon RX 570, is still holding up well enough for all the games that I'm interested in. The RX 570 aged surprisingly well even though I think it was considered a budged card even for it's time. It is struggling at the newest games, but I am less and less interested in the big AAA releases anyway. Nowadays I like diving into the past for the old time classics and overlooked titles.

[@GeeWizKhalifa.]

I've been rocking my RX580 and same its been doing just fine

[@TheGlock30owner]

I got a RX 590 in 2018. One of the fans has stopped working and I need to keep the side off the case off or the GPU overheats and shuts down. Even that is less trouble than paying $600+ for an equivalent replacement.

[@DragNetJoe]

I've got an RX480 and a Haswell i5. Yea, it's probably getting close to EOL, but I find myself gravitating to the console.

[@GeeWizKhalifa.]

@@DragNetJoe wowsers 4th gen huh, I went from a i5 6600k to a i5 12600k back in December, talk about an upgrade.

[@flex4711]

@@TheGlock30owner You can either buy fan replacements for cheap or alternatively: You can strap a chassis fan, any kind to your gpu with like cable ties and itll work just fine. There are tutorials for both online

[@Razer5542]

I'd love to upgrade my 1060, but: 1. Prices these days are still too high for me. 2. What's the point of upgrading when most games these days run/play like absolute dogshite due to horrible optimization/ports. 3. Why should i reward a company like NVIDIA with my money when they've been stubborn on their stock for years now, while trying to squeeze out more and more money out of the consumer with every new GPU that they've released. Not to forget that they release cards every 1/2 years now and that some of their newer cards are a absolute joke compared to previous ones..

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Have to agree but it is a huge mistake by both AMD and Nvidia as if they lose the interest of the core gamer market that brought them all this success going back so many years, it will be over. Also making a profit is of course the goal but my God, they are just rubbing it in right now and almost laughing at us from on high as they price the most important customer that being the low to mid range gpu buyer out of the market..

[@thebcwonder4850]

Why would they care about low-margin gaming cards?

[@ItsThicc]

@TheBCWonder thats where they make most of their money

[@technicalfool]

The most important buyer of GPUs is no longer gamers. The most important buyer of GPUs is businesses buying tens of thousands at a time for supercomputers, clusters, massive renderfarms and compute farms, "cloud" companies, research faciilities, the type of customer that sees a $10,000 chip as a business expense and buys a new one every few years. Below that you've got console makers buying custom silicon in bulk, large chain stores and PC vendors hoping to flog cheap pre-builts, and IT departments who just need something that can display a picture. Way below that, you have PC gamers looking for what the latest generation of breeze-block-sized toy GPUs they can cram into a box will cost and might offer. The only thing that keeps PC gamers as even a going concern these days, is they have a habit of being very loud. It's free marketing, but only if you have them on side.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

If Nvidia and AMD cause a decline in the PC market, then PC ports will get shittier, and there will be less interest in their top tier cards...

[@dkat1108]

They don't give a damn about little johnny gamer dude.

[@Fl1ckz_TV]

The problem Nvidia and AMD had was they expected everyone to continue upgrading. Lots of people only got PC's from covid benefits. And not as many people are still looking.

[@QoraxAudio]

Covid benefits? Dude I want some! Where do you live? People over here in the Netherlands didn't get any benefits of any kind, except business owners.

[@alphastratus6623]

@@QoraxAudio I think even the normal savings for jobs did it as well. In Germany for example the state use some tax money to allow companies to cut wages up to 100% while the people got their money instead. So the basic income was only reduced minor while a lot of expenses (traveling/vaccation costs, restaurants, ....) were cut down. So it was a net gain for a short time fot things like PC hardware, but also SIm racing stuff, hobby stuff in general.

[@Bustermachine]

@@alphastratus6623 Plus with the pandemic shutdowns and uncertainty, and being confined at home, a lot of people decided to pull the trigger on building their new machine right then and there rather than chance waiting into the uncertain future. That's how I wound up building my PC with a 2070 super for 500$. I'm not saying it was a great value proposition, but given I was upgrading from IIRC a Fermi series card, and the ensuing scalpocalypse I'd say I didn't exactly the worst possible decision.

[@QoraxAudio]

@@alphastratus6623 Yes in our country companies also received benefits, but people didn't. Yeah people did spend less on holidays and more on hobbies indeed; I've been selling audio equipment quite well, especially at the beginning of the lockdowns, back in 2020.

[@daytonlaceup9718]

@@Bustermachine The pandemic was a completely different time and times have changed now. I really hope that less people buy the new GPU's, even the 4090 so NVIDIA can open they're eyes to realize how expensive these cards actually are. Because with the rtx 50 series coming out one day NVIDIA knows they can sell it at an even higher price, and then same again when the rtx 60 series comes out even further in the future

[@ganthrithor]

I'm still using a GTX 1080. For my last few PC builds I've just been getting a lot of use out of my hardware-- I had a Haswell setup for the longest time (until 2021 I think?) and then finally upgraded to an AM4 build (5600X, 32GB ram). I'm way overdue for a GPU upgrade at this point, but first the pandemic / crypto crisis pricing-- and even just the literal time / effort investment required to buy a product at any price due to shortages-- put me off when I did the AM4 upgrade. Then it got close to current-gen GPU launch time, and I didn't want to pay launch-day MSRP for a 30-series card that was on its way out. Then the current gen stuff arrived, the prices for last-gen stayed at full MSRP, and the price of the new hardware was literally ridiculous. Fuck off: I'm not paying over a thousand dollars for a mainstream flagship graphics card. I'm not paying $900 for a gimpy mid-range card that can't even do 4k properly running today's games, let alone have any headroom for future releases. And I'm not paying $1,600-2,000 for a 4090 because low-volume halo / techdemo cards have always been a dumb flex for people with too much money. I feel like GPUs are in a similar situation to where CPUs were during the long-ass stagnation period of Intel Core dominance-- yeah, there were new products every year but they were expensive and they didn't offer any substantial performance improvements in real-world use cases for people who play games as a hobby. It's just not worth spending thousands of dollars to slightly increase a benchmark score each year. The reality is that I can still play all the games I actually want to play-- which is not many these days anyway, since like many of us I'm regrettably a fucking adult now-- on my GTX 1080. I spent a little money this year dropping a 5800X3D into my system because it actually does a lot more for performance in a game I enjoy (Escape from Tarkov) than a GPU upgrade would have. Tarkov is the most demanding title I play (pretty much the only other games I've played in years are EVE Online-- a MMO from 2003-- and Valorant, which I play casually with some friends). I play at 1440p/144hz. Neither of those games needs any more GPU horsepower to be playable in that configuration. My last PC upgrade, I did so that I could get actual playable framerates in CoD: MW. I actually needed more CPU cores, more mhz, and more RAM to make that happen. But now? I didn't even buy the new CoD game because it looks worse to my eye than its predecessor. All the titles I do play are old. Until I decide to switch to 4k displays, or someone drops some must-play title that wrecks PCs, why would I spend extortionate amounts of money on a graphics upgrade that I don't even need?

[@no1be4me2]

Breathe buddy breathe...

[@jakedasnake98]

I’m not reading all that

[@GamingLovesJohn]

I read all of it, because I can relate to it. The kids above, well just don’t understand until the time comes. But yeah, 100% on COD being meh and just sticking with mostly older games that doesn’t require that much GPU horsepower. I still haven’t upgraded my 3900x, because I still love having 12 physical cores and I know my ass would benefit from a 5000 series chip upgrade…. but meh. The only upgrade so far was a 4TB SSD, I bought to back up my old Hard Drives from my first PC that I used for games/files.

[@WiseSilverWolf]

@@jakedasnake98 Theres a free Chrome extension called Read Aloud that converts text to speech so you can just highlight text and it reads it for you, very useful for reading walls of text.

[@robjones8733]

Yeah, same here, I'm sticking with my rx590. It works, Grim Dawn runs fine on it.

[@samuraijaydee]

I spent about 2 year thinking about upgrading my RTX2080… but now I'm just sick of the daft prices. So I'm going give Nvidia the finger, and making do with what I've got.

[@jeje4131]

Same boat

[@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle]

Grab AMD, they are like half the price of Nvidia. I got myself 6650xt which is equivalent of 3060ti, but it was like half the price of RTX, and I think I paid $330-350 for it, while at the time 3060ti was like $750. So far the only game I had issue playing was Frostpunk 2 and for some reason I had bit of issue with Plague Tale 2. Realistically you're more likely to play older games then strictly newer ones, so I think overpaying for GPU is utterly pointless unless you're maybe streamer or into e-sport and you can easily get that money back. Heck most of them probably get those for free anyway.

[@Bigboss-xe6lm]

@@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle You are forgetting some important tech upgrades the AMDs dont have. I would never buy a 6650xt instead of a 3060 ti. No - way... Too much tech for the buck if you compare

[@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle]

@@Bigboss-xe6lm I am not from USA so we pay import taxes, so could around +20% on pricing in USA, so 3060ti was just way too overpriced, especially for our paycheck. I don't play in 4K or am hardcore gamer, so I would see very little difference in "tech", but I saved up around 400 euros on GPU alone, and atm I was looking to buy entirely new PC.

[@armadillotoe]

$300 is my sweet spot. The last card I bought was a $230 Geforc 1050 GTX. I am not a big gamer and if I can't find a good deal, I will stick with what I've got.

[@mrlightwriter]

I'm still using my 1050ti that I bought in 2018 for €190. Edit: a word

[@broniusbronka2703]

I'm just going used, bought GTX 1060 3gb used in 2019.12 for 80 Euro, now have used Rx 6600 from 2022.12, bought it for 140 Euro, now probably need upgrade my R5 1600af to maybe 5600, and I'm good for 3 more years

[@LhynkalTheFool]

​@@mrlightwriter Good stuff bro, I also bought my GPU in 2018 (GTX 1060 6GB). Think I got it for 320€ because pricing in my country sucks and the prices were creeping up due to crypto mining. I was thinking about upgrading this year (GTX 4060 or RX 7600 XT) but this vid made me skeptical.

[@pinakmiku4999]

This is the thing most people should do. Just stick with your current card until you get a deal! I sold my gtx 1070 for $150 profit during crypto mining and purchased a Legion laptop with rtx 3070 which was a nice upgrade and helped me during work from home. Once gpu mining became obsolete last year I purchased a used 3080 for $400 for my desktop which was sitting idle since the day I had sold my 1070. Recently I also got that terrific deal of $419 for 3080 and sold my previous 3080 for $600 making a big profit of $200. Effectively I still own the 3080 however at $219 if I consider the profit from other 3080. And if I also consider the $150 profit from selling my 1070, then it will be $69 for upgrading from 1070 to 3080!!!

[@georgeindestructible]

This is an absurd price to performance level of a 1050 GTX lol. To make you understand why, back in 2008, a 9800GT costed 120 eu in europe and that was an AIB model. 4 years ago, iirc the 1050 was around 150 to 180 eu here in europe and that was with VAT included something you guys in America don't have so you are almost always getting GPUs at lower prices than us.

[@over9000optimally]

AMD has already admitted that they're shortdropping shipments intentionally, because the increased prices actually brought them in more profit. So, they are intentionally keeping demand higher than supply now so they can keep the prices jacked up.

[@soumen8624]

At least they admitted, but then artificially reducing supply won’t help them in the long run.

[@deletevil]

AMD have not done that you decepticons. It's not the AMD who pull that trigger, it's the retailers who've been doing that.

[@over9000optimally]

@@deletevil the head of AMD was the one who said it. It popped up in my Google feed, so I read an entire article about it. They said they made more money that way, and even if it slows, they would have to still make less money per material cost that they were making before doing this in order for that to technically not be true.

[@MrBashem]

AMD mixing up people ditching nvidia for good strategy. Tech people at AMD are great but their sales team not so much. Higher prices will equal lower turn over. Sure may look good on paper at the start but people won't be replacing their cards as often now. Short sighted sales plan. Opens up market for Intel.

[@KompletterGeist]

I don't think you can complain. That's just how markets work. If it was your company and your money in question, you'd do the same...business is not a charity

[@neoshenlong]

I think we also need to consider that the most popular games on PC right now are free-to-play esport games like Fortnite, Valorant, Apex and so on. And all of these run at 200 frames or more on pretty much every modern GPU, even on some APUs. The bigger market has no reason to change.

[@threedog27]

Yes this right here. The developers know this. The more people can play a game, the more money they get. So of course the game can be played on years old hardware. Also the most AAA nowadays are just right shit. The most played games are all years old. The market is just oversaturated.

[@appakinggg]

Yes i agree,people complain about prices but if youre on a 1080p or even a 1440p monitor... a 500 dollar gpu will pump out great numbers. I just bought a 6800xt for bout 500 dollars and its pumping out 144fps People just look at the high end models and say prices are insane. But theres plenty of good gpu that will pump out numbers especially if youre on 1080p

[@neoshenlong]

@@appakinggg To be fair, those 500 usd GPUs are a bit overpriced at the moment. You have to look at the $300 range to find sensible prices (and my point applies completely to that range of prices, perhaps even more)

[@appakinggg]

@@neoshenlong yes but inflation is too account for. Maybe people are on 6 year old gpus and look at prices but inflation is compounding. Combined with the fact it gets increasingly harder to edge oit the last bit of performances. For sure the companies are still bastards and overpricing 6% compound inflation anually makes a 300dollar gpu, 425 dollars after 6 years... and thats just inflation calculated in. Combine covid problems, shortages... And a 300 dollar gpu sells for 600

[@pindanetel]

yaeh gen alpha gamers are normies now

[@Aeternum_Gaming]

video cards *USED* to be like $300-$500 now they are usually over $1200 for a slightly future proof card. gpu's should not cost the same as a mortgage payment.

[@Andrushe4kanka]

It’s just a one part of the pc. Most of us doesn’t want anything that is more expensive than 60 series. They could made more money if there was any noticeable performance increase in 60 series.

[@Alphacuremom55]

That's what you get for running 4k

[@MrSkeltal268]

I think nvidia underestimated how elastic graphics card demand actually is.

[@StuartB_]

My GTX 760 still handles a lot of my 1080p game needs, upgrading to a 2070s at the end of this month. The beauty of running cards until they don't work is it's soo easy and cheap to upgrade to crazy levels.

[@НикитаБойко-ш7ф]

Not the politest question, but can i buy 760 from you?

[@VesperAegis]

You can still have plenty of fun doing this and there are plenty of enjoyable games at this reso, especially 4X strategy games. That said, in my mind nothing can duplicate the joy and beauty of a true 4K 120 FPS experience. You're basically in the other world.

[@leewafer6583]

Exactly I using an old GT 730, works fine, but getting either a RX570, or RX 5600XT in a couple weeks, Never seen a reason to upgrade every year just because a new better card released.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

Still on my 660ti at 1080p, can't fault it in the slightest it does what i want from it and I've taken great care of it and my rig as a whole keeping things clean and cool, i just don't give a shit anymore about the PC tech rat race.

[@Sir_Ken179]

The first pc I built back in 2010 had a Radeon HD 4850 512 MB. It was like $140 and my total pc was $512. I cut grass for weeks to raise that money. Those days are over. I would never tell a kid now to get a PC because of how expensive it is.

[@robertstanner2282]

Same i bought new 4890 for less than 300. Now gtx 4090 or whatever it name is priced around 3500 usd? I m not genius but i'm not so stupid enough to buy it. Stick with integrated right now

[@pilsplease7561]

I honestly have been using my xbox more and more with it running games well and not needing a upgrade for around a decade. As consoles are infinitely better value in every way, they are running everything at 4k, and smoothly for $500 which makes a pc a bad value.

[@halcyform9161]

When the nvidia 2000 and, not long after, 3000 series were announced (and their equivalents), I bought extras of the GPU I still use which is the gtx 1080 and 1080 TI. Got them before prices spiked. One of the best PC decisions I've ever made.

[@D3humaniz3d]

Honestly I've been so happy with my 5900X and 6800XT I decided to go for a custom loop and call it a day for the next 10 years.

[@shadowwarior2231]

ikr? i spend literally everything i had to upgrade my pc and i got a rx6600 with some 4th gen cpu because i have no money to upgrade the motherboard and the cpu so i will just play with like 50% of the real power of the gpu until i gather some money.

[@simplebidnessman]

I have that CPU and plan on getting that GPU, do you think I should wait for a sale?

[@D3humaniz3d]

@@simplebidnessman wait for the 7900xt price to go down - or go with the 6900xt because last I checked the prices went down.

[@shadowwarior2231]

@@simplebidnessman i have no idea because i live in asia and things are much different in the market in here, idk where you live but i would buy the gpu if i really want to play games and i have enough money, but if spending that much will put you on the edge then yeah wait for a sale or something.

[@MrMonkfish37]

I'm the same with my 5800x3d and 6900 xt

[@QuantaStarfire]

I've been on a GTX 960 since 2015 and it's gotten to the point where I can't play newer games anymore, but I also can't really upgrade because even the low-end cards have seemed super expensive for what they are. It sucks.

[@cupid587]

Just buy old 1080Ti card

[@waled7564]

RTX 3060 and rx 6650xt is now sold for reasonable price, 280$ for RTX 3060 and 275$ for the rx 6650xt

[@Sighman]

I saw a used 970 the other day for AU$100 (US $60). You could get one of those and sell your 960.

[@fuzzblightyear145]

i know, crazy yeah. Still using my GTX980. it's still perfectly fine for most things these days still. Have not got a grand for a new card, it's just ridiculous

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

This info might be out of date, but when I last did research, any x60 model was usually worse than the x70/x80 of the previous generation. The x80s were top tier regardless of generation, but performance was diminishing returns on the x70 of the same generation for like double the amount of cash. *Therefore the only models it really made any sense to buy were x70s, regardless of generation.* If you couldn't afford an x70 in the current gen, you were better off buying the x70/80 from the previous gen than the current x60. And getting an x80 over an x70 wasn't really worth the extra cash unless money really was no object and you had it to burn. Like I said, this info might be out of date, but was the case last I researched.

[@Machinationstudio]

I think one part you haven't mentioned is indie games. They are going strong and run fine on 1080p60 due to the nature of their graphic style or gameplay pace. Whether it's people not upgrading their rigs that are making them popular or they are just getting better quality is up for debate. Another thing affecting prices is the prosumer market. AI, 3D and video rendering, Adobe, all use the graphics cards now. Small businesses and prosumers are buying up the latest Nvidia cards for these. They will drop launch prices to get the 4090 to swap out their 3090 ASAP, because money is made on those machines.

[@roosterqmoney]

Ding ding ding. I play nothing but indie games on my mini PC. Paid like 550 for a beelink with a 6800h. It works sooo God for everything indie. I get indie games for like 5 bucks on sale.

[@HydratedBeans]

Yeah I bought a 3090 and it was kind of a waste. Almost every game I play works at 1440p 144fps on my 1080ti

[@ni9274]

Every game run well at 1080p60 if you never tried anything higher.

[@Middleseed]

Yeah, that’s the thing. The 4090 has a justifiable price tag, after all it is the literal best there is. Everything under it though is priced well above an acceptable range.

[@HydratedBeans]

@@Middleseed agreed. The xx90 is just the new Titan. It’s everything else that’s obscene

[@0ne0fmany]

1) Because games don't require the upgrade anymore. Consoles are still at the RTX2070's level, many still use GTX980-s, and you are playing old games anyways. 2) Pricing and Scalpers. 3) The manufacturers switched their focus to A.I. development instead of gaming.

[@pcneststayinformed]

So true. I maintain a PC hardware affiliate website and the sales are incredibly low. It's like 2-3 times less compared to 2021.

[@eawblablatron9161]

yet retailers stubbornly refuse to lower prices. let's see who bends 1st then. We are in the zone baby, we have waited for way too long to bend over now. 1200 for shitty ass gpus. nope.

[@atnfn]

​@@eawblablatron9161 not like retailers can be expected to sell the gpus at a loss. It's nvidias and adds fault.

[@eawblablatron9161]

@@atnfn don't ask me plz to feel sorry about retailers. they are just merchants. if they weren't selling gpus they would be selling potatoes in a farmers market. their moto is easy money and greediness. their brain always think " I'll buy this that much and I'll sell it that much and I'll make this profit". at least Ngreedia designs and makes the gpus. retailers just unload the truck , fix the boxes on their storage room and wait to sell. they dont even know what a capacitor is. if tomorrow, bottled farts were to gain more value than gpus then those "retailers" would abandon all gpus in a sec and sell bottled farts! they don't love gaming or offering to the gaming community.

[@plushquasar653]

I wonder what was going on in 2021 that would contribute to that….

[@dergunter1237]

@@atnfn they wil lhave to lower prices sooner or later, ones their sales start going down as well

[@ShaighJosephson]

Seems that Nvidia's driver updates for older GPUs are deliberately slowing performance down to get customers to buy the new ones...just like Apple was doing with their old iphones to get people to buy their new ones...

[@bricaaron3978]

Seems like? Or are? Have you tested and verified this? I I wouldn't put it past them, but there's always the option of using a previous driver. There's a reason that I have a copy of all of NVIDIA's drivers going back to when I built my first gaming PC in 2008 (Version 178.13).

[@Infinite8blue]

​​@@bricaaron3978 it is a strategy called PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE. The product is designed to work well but will purposely fail over time. But because the product work so well at first you end up buying the next product from the same company. Company's no longer make products to last as long has possible but make products only to maximize profits.

[@bricaaron3978]

@@Infinite8blue You failed to address my point.

[@TheMocutMiester]

​@@bricaaron3978 it is hard to capture this evidence unless you are looking for it. Are you expecting someone to paste their evidence here? Lol issa KZbin comment section bro

[@l0lan00b3]

@@bricaaron3978 good habit. You could Google it I'm sure there's some one out there that's been watching. Even with out proper evidence, and considering most major companies do this, I absolutely believe it is happening. That's just me personally.

[@DerrangedGadgeteer]

It seems to me that the scalpocalypse kept game developers from leveraging the horsepower of the newer GPUs, since to sell games they had to accomodate people with several-year-old hardware. Then the market became flush with last gen's GPUs, those who wanted them went ahead and got them, and now there's no killer apps pushing recently sated gamers to the next generation. Games coming out today can run passably on hardware almost a decade old. And as far as I know there's no experience on PC that requires a 4080 to enjoy.

[@Njin8492]

My rtx2080 cant handle Hogwarts Legacy.

[@Anthonybrother]

That's a good thing.

[@jamx02]

Hogwarts Legacy, Warzone 2

[@ІгорАлієв]

The only such experience is hpc calculations.

[@DerrangedGadgeteer]

@@jamx02 a 3080 or 3090 can't run those at max graphics?

[@VicharB]

Agree. I was thinking of upgrading my 3070 to 4070 12GB, but then decided to wait and upgraded to 3080Ti for USD 450 only and sold my 3070 for USD 350, I consider that a good upgrade and now will wait for 5 series or 8 series from AMD and pricing, backbone being o/c 4.7Ghz 5600X with 32GB and SSDs.

[@kevinrosario2729]

My current card is a Radeon RX 580, which I got in late 2020 before the GPU price hike and shortage. It still runs new games just fine. I mostly play indie titles and ports of older games nowadays so there's not much incentive to upgrade other than playing games in native 4K.

[@rainmaker3948]

I have the same one lol

[@gambitoxxx4851]

I have a 590, almost the same, and play every game that is realize.

[@soulessone4206]

Same rx580 the only real upgrade is 300+ dollar's and that's just dumb.

[@Cynthetik]

I have the exact graphic card. I’m debating on whether to upgrade or crossfire it.

[@juliankraus1011]

Same build here. I'm planning on upgrading to 3060 Ti

[@Roundtablist]

I am still very much into PC gaming (since the 90s) and I would totally buy a 4070/4080. I could afford it I just won't at the prices that are out there so, until the prices drop significantly, I'm happy to wait. If I have to wait until the 5000 series nVidia cards come out and get a 4000 series then I will do that.

[@jambononi]

Yeah even if you can afford it, they're just such bad value for money. At the end of the day, no one "needs" a high end graphics card for gaming. Even pro gamers and enthusiasts don't need it. We're still playing on a screen with the same basic fundamental graphics and animations as 5 or 6 years ago. It's been very incremental from my point of view anyway.

[@SapiaNt0mata]

@@jambononi the only reason to upgrade is if you want 4K or 1440p and keep the gpu for 4-5 years.

[@paranoid9678]

@@SapiaNt0mata nop if you run a pascal or maxwell gpu you need to upgrade and many people run thoses older gpu becasue the minig boom did kill the market for like 2.5 years right now i still run a1080 and games like rdr2 run like shit at 1080p with fsr2, i can get a4080 truh the company i work for that will savce me like 19% on it price VAT but even then a new 4080 would cost me more the dobble what i payed for my 1080gtx 6 years ago

[@madfinntech]

Exactly. I could buy something like 4080 or even 4090 but I just don't want to pay what they are asking for.

[@paranoid9678]

​@@madfinntech same here even for 950 what i could get it for its not ok for me performance is good but it has only 16gb ram not much for a card sold at 4k card rt performance is good in 1080p but for 1400+ you need fucking dlss again the 4070ti is crippelt in its bandwidth and its low 12gb ram fuck if i didnt need cude i would go full amd this time my second system got a 6950xt for 590€ two months ago and i only look for nvidai becasue i need at lst one cude system...... sure i can get a older ampera but again 12gb 3080 cost over 1100€+ here (880€+ i would pay) but it a 2 year old gpu and even slower then a 6950xt in seme cases and it need 450+watt so far nvidia did not lower the price for it old gpu it still around the lauch price of 2020, 3 years later fuck at gcn2/pascal times you could get a 1080ti for 700€ or a 290x for 450€ now you dont get a 4070ti wiht a ridiculous 192bit memory bus for less then 800€ and people want that price for hher end cards back we fucking know amd can lower the price for it new gpu to at last 750€ xt and 900€ xtx models and nvidais die are also a joke te 4080 die itself is smaller then a 3080 die so it sould not cost much more then a 3080

[@baraka629]

the vega, rx 5000 series and rtx 2060/2070 were quite good deals for their time. nowadays theres practically no mid range anymore.

[@pulkmees]

Assembled my PC just before Covid. Bought a 2070 super just to play games from the last 10 years with decent graphics finally. Guess I'll wait 10 yeasr for the next time then.

[@Thrallito]

Price are so high that people dont want to buy a gpu that cost 2 full mounths of salary every weeks.

[@xidis8022]

People are back at work and money is tight right now with ballooning prices on everything including GPUs. Hopefully nvidia takes a massive hit this generation.

[@BoleDaPole]

Hopefully that's not literal, US said it will blow up TSMC if China invades Taiwan.

[@r34ztune11]

I play at 1080p on a 60Hz monitor and will continue to do that well into the future. I also don't always play the newest stuff, so my $140 in 2020 RX 570 8GB can usually manage High settings, sometimes even Ultra. GPUs just don't age as fast as they used to in the 00s. As long as I can get 40-60 FPS with at least medium settings, I have zero interest in upgrading. By the time I'll need an upgrade, maybe AMD's APUs will be up to the task of 1080p 60fps High settings, so I'll stop needing a GPU altogether. The Radeon 680M in the newest APUs is matching or beating the laptop GTX 1050 GPUs, so maybe in 3-4 years, we might see iGPUs reaching laptop GTX 1070 level.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

...and with it, the death of the AIB market. That's probably what all this is going towards. Remember the mid 1990's, when gamers had to buy sound cards if they wanted more than bleeps and boops? A few years later (around 1997 or so), they started putting passable sound on motherboards. Oh, sure, some purists still bought sound cards (some still do) but today a "sound card" is no longer a "must have" when building a PC, because it's already integrated onto the motherboard. It's not even a major category (it's minor) on PCPartpicker. In fact, most semi-modern GPUs (anything with HDMI or DP) have quite adequate sound output integrated into the board (it's better than the Realtek crap on my motherboard). So, be careful what you wish for, because at this rate, the market is devolving into a dystopian hellscape of more integration, less user choice, and more corporate hegemony. Open architecture and "options" were what made the PC great; but now they're trying to turn it into a damn Mac. Or at least kill the desktop market. We can't let them. We must vote no, with our wallets. Trouble is, they don't listen. They just release whatever crap they want and the fanboys lap it up.

[@Kraken9911]

I'm still using my 1070TI. This is the longest I've ever used a video card because an upgrade of the same tier level now is absurdly expensive. I can afford a new one but I can't justify it because my card still gets the job done.

[@bryanbrewer4272]

Same, Im still rocking a 1080ti, i see zero need to upgrade anytime soon. it runs evreything at 1440p with great fps.

[@skylordsrebornpvpreplays5795]

@@bryanbrewer4272 same... I don't game as I used before and it gets the job done perfectly on newer games like re4 remake 1440p

[@Majestic1987]

I still run my 10 year old Xeon rig. I upgraded to a 1660 Super two years ago just because I bought an ultrawide 144Hz monitor and my old GTX770 did not support the refresh rate. Other than that, yeah, New rig would be awesome but I am not willing to invest 1500+ in a new rig at this point.

[@suzesiviter6083]

I could play cyberpunk on that card no problem. I now have a 4080, but it is not worth the cost tbh, stick with that 1070ti for as long as you can, its great value -bang for the buck than any other card mebs.

[@AveryHyena]

My asus strix 1080ti has lasted 5 years and can still run every current modern game at at least medium graphics.

[@panike]

I got an RTX 2070 for 150 last week for 150 and I'm super satisfied with the performance. It is so sad what happened to GPU market.

[@ExelArts]

Used?

[@heyjeySigma]

150 bucks?? thats an excellent price. even if the card itself is nothing too special nowadays. still solid stuff for 1080p gaming in 30-40fps or 60 on older games im sure

[@star59_mcun4]

​@@heyjeySigma you insane? I have an rtx 2060 and i get 80-90 fps on verg high settings in AAA titles

[@Aramythr]

@@heyjeySigma I still have a 1070 and play on 2k ultrawide and easily get 60 fps on almost any game I play on high settings

[@matthewk4912]

@@heyjeySigma RTX 2070 gets way more frames than 30-40fps on 1080p lol. I often get above 120 fps on modern games.

[@kcato5879]

With the insane price gouging and artificial scarcity over the past 3 years, is it really a surprise people aren't in a hurry to buy GPUs?

[@caktrez2076]

Only me who thought he said ” daddy here”💀💀??? 0:28

[@Alien-by3gb]

No 😅

[@diego6849]

You thought ? He DID say "daddy here", that's what I heared lol

[@IDKBro64]

Turn on the caption it's literally says "daddy here" 💀

[@captainmusx817]

I'm happy with my RTX 2060 and will stay with it , I don't care about new graphic cards for now but maybe in future if I need to upgrade but of course with reasonable price, well time is different now .. like you said " People have tuned out from the market they’re choosing the used market, staying with what they have, and looking at alternatives like the console market".

[@enemya.i.gaming6]

Looking forward to seeing the sales figures for AMD and Nvidia over the next 6 months.

[@ShooberTimber]

6 months? More like 2 years. No one will be buying these overpriced bricks until the RTX5000's & RX8000's release & drop the pricings on the current RTX4000's & RX7000's. Ngreedia & AMD are out of their gourds with these price ranges.

[@GrabbaBeer]

They’re good right now

[@malazan6004]

NVIDIA sales are an absolute disaster trust me. A few nerds bought 4090s and that's about it

[@GrabbaBeer]

@@malazan6004 they aren’t, look at share price eps and stock

[@Q5Grafx]

im betting intel passes amd and closes the gap on nvidia. Nvidia died when they lost EVGA they just dont know it yet.

[@DelNiceBeto]

I honestly think there's also a platou we've reached. We aren't getting as big of leaps any more. Each new series just feels incremental compared to the last so it really is not worth it to upgrade until 3 gens later. That along with better optimized games that still look great on lower settings you can easily wait far longer now between upgrades than ever.

[@KaLaka16]

3090 was way faster than 2080ti. 4090 is even more faster both absolutely and relatively. But the 2080ti is still a really good card. We have hit a point where the average gpu is very good for the average gamer. The tech has evolved faster than the games or the gamer's expectations, except for enthusiasts. A 1070 for example is still a really good card for 1080p gaming. It's only 4k gaming and ray tracing that need a ridiculous amount of GPU power really. This gen is really good for the enthusiast with an unlimited budget, and if buying used parts, also for the average gamer, depending on country though.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Not only that, the whole realtime Raytracing buzz has also basically become a freaking JOKE. YOu barely even notice any actual visual improvements. Just look at Hogwarts Legacy for example... Meanwhile older games like Red Dead Redemption 2 look absolutely freaking BEAUTIFUL even without RTX. If the Engine is great and the shaders do one heck of a job, you absolutely don't need RTX. This stuff is only for these insecure PCMR fools who need to compensate something in their life.

[@toolittletoolate3917]

This is called the curve of diminishing returns: Each incremental improvement is smaller but the price increase to get that tiny improvement gets larger and larger. The audiophiles saw this happen decades ago, and now it’s our turn.

[@Phil_529]

This is a really bad take. I just went from a 3080 to 4090 and the difference is insane. For Cyberpunk I was getting ~60fps at max settings at 1440p/DLSS quality. With my 4090 I get ~200fps with identical settings but now with frame generation and a way faster GPU. The 4090 consistently gets double the FPS from last generations flagship. The only issue is pricing but in terms of actual experience the 4090 suits my 1440p 240hz monitor and 4K 120hz OLED TV waaaaay better.

[@Phil_529]

@@KRAFTWERK2K6 You're speaking foolishly. Hogwarts has awful raytracing that was just hamfisted in from Unreal Engine 4 plugins. Go look at a game that actually spent time on their ray tracing mode like Cyberpunk or Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and you will see a gigantic difference. Better yet go look at Fortnites new Nanite + Lumen mode -- it's a totally different looking game. You can stay being mad or whatever but raytracing and now pathtracing will be taking over as computers get fast enough to do it.

[@alanhaigh9682]

I was and have been happy spending upto £300 or about $350, I've always gone for upper mid range as normally best value, I did spend a lot on a 2080 super when they were at a premium. It was a great overclocker but still not much faster than a way cheaper 2070. I next had a 3070 which was actually great generally a little faster than a 2080ti. I've got to the point now that the graphical quality improvement isn't worth the cost, I'm older and have had cards all the way back to Geforce 2 mx I think my first. I skipped 3dfx,matrox,diamond cards as expensive and no true standard then. My long winded point is just buy what you can afford, honestly honestly paying a fortune doesn't give the results you expect. I've had fast pc's and honestly after a few weeks of thinking how amazing you don't notice the graphical improvement.

[@FSboy70]

No gain = no pain (no expenses). Very simple market mechanism. I don't owe anyone my business - especially not after turning scalpers themselves. But in general, like them - I expect a return for my money.

[@richardmartin862]

After waiting forever for prices to calm down etc. I finally bought a second hand 1660ti for 80 dollars, now I have a massive back log of games to play. I'm sticking to 1080 gaming don't have a 4k or hdr display, can wait for that and ray tracing later. It's all about how much cash you are willing to spend and how important gaming is in your life against say buying a car or other living expenses.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

80 bucks is an appropriate Price for a GPU. Anything else above 400-500 bucks range is just plain daylight robbery.

[@shadowcatcherfox5186]

For me, it's between needing a card that fits under 310 mm (midsized case), doesn't have a crippled memory bus (looking at you 4070 ti), and doesn't spontaneously combust due to "user error".

[@constantinosschinas4503]

​@No_Name What is your point.

[@Power5]

@No_Name pretty sure he is referring to the power cables melting and Nvidia blaming users.

[@jamesmetz5147]

You said what I am sure that everyone else is thinking. Some how the manufactures forgot these card are something we play with and they can only get so much for a toy.

[@AndragonLea]

It's not so much that gamers don't care and a lot more that top of the line has become so ridiculously expensive that even people that make gaming their main hobby have a hard time justifying the expense. Used to be that a 2000 bucks PC was considered high end and held you over for many years. Nowadays the effing graphics card alone can run you almost that much and it's worthless unless the rest of the build is of similar quality to actually let it shine. I want an amazing PC, but if buying one will set me back a year saving for my house, I'm good. Then we have the fact that more and more of the big triple A publishers that were once pushing the bleeding edge of graphics have since decided to go for quantity over quality where gamers are concerned - they want as many people as possible, so games aren't pushing it as much and therefore you don't really NEED a relatively new and expensive card to play most new releases. Less requirement and higher prices mean less people will feel inclined to actually shell out.

[@jppotato17]

I got a 3060 at microcenter during the GPU drought. It was an ROG card and it was wayyy overpriced at $550 after tax, but then I turned around and sold my old 1070 for $400 cash, so not bad for a $150 upgrade! No need for me to upgrade again for another few years

[@timhensley3695]

Micro center is the cheapest place I have found to buy the GPU

[@jiggerypokery2962]

3060 will probably play everything for the next 5 years easily i think maybe 10. Right now the 1060 is running everything without DLSS.

[@tee2567]

My solution was to opportunistically just buy a whole used laptop for $700 CAD because it had a 3060 in it, and I needed a modern laptop. Better value than I knew, because the CPU has way better emulation for Android than anything else I had.

[@stephendurnan3609]

Yeah, I sold a RX970 and a 5700xt to pay for the 6800xt.

[@trumplostlol3007]

3060 isn't even a big improvement over 1070. You need to replace it by 3070 or 3080 or you can't play Hogwarts smoothly. Your 3060 is OUTDATED. LOL

[@xomvoid_akaluchiru_987]

I've been doing tons of research in hopes of educating myself on all the different parts and terms with desktop computers, and now that I've gotten a good grasp on all the different parts I'm mostly just waiting until some stuff releases that's actually worth the price before I make my dream build.

[@pigon__]

Gotta get 4k 60fps rain world 🔥

[@campersruincod6134]

Same

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

I’m mostly thinking the same thing, although in my case I do need to upgrade soon due to my hardware being so old.

[@BitZapple]

Intel 14th gen

[@6thHokageJuan]

if scalpers sweep in again then...it still won't be worth the price

[@korinogaro]

Well true, I was interested in hardware for decades and 40 series almost killed it for me, then there was a new spark shortly before 7900 presentation and release and it killed almost all that was left.

[@spinostu]

1 year later and your points still hold up well. I was about to upgrade my 1080 to a 4080 when my mobo died. Rather than buy a new CPU/Mobo/GPU and play it on my crappy 60hz monitor, I bought a PS5 and the 10 best games for the same price. Having not bought a PC since about 2018, I find it all very confusing and expensive now. Happy just playing my games

[@tixeright9120]

Been running this pc for 7 years, didn't start running into performance issues and upgrade bottlenecks until the last couple of years when it comes to running AAA games. Granted, if I had purchased a 4k HDTV/monitor or set up my room for pc-based VR gaming I would have experienced issues a lot sooner. I'm always going to consider a 1000$ or more graphics card as a STUDIO card, not a gamer card. Even though I got a gtx960, I would have to think about upgrading my pc and gpu only after getting a 4k TV to play at 1440 or greater resolution. Newer games running at 1080i resolution, all the old tech still holds up. Every once in a while you get a warming that the highest settings won't be used, or that performance may be impacted soon because your GPU memory is running low, but I've got 16GB of mobo memory, and an 8 core processor, so it's not like games won't run, or that they'll crash the system like they did way back in the day even if you're using an almost 10 year old gaming rig.

[@siricm9647]

the advances in performance are just way to incremental now to justify upgrading every couple years. Especially when most people seem to be fine with 1080p at high refresh rates.

[@HawkEye23388]

Great video! I really have to say, that I’d rather watch a video about an older card and how it performs today than something about a RTX 4090 or so. If I would still regularly game, I would just buy an older card (if not too expensive), go with that and maybe just turn the graphics down. As you said, I just want to play the damn game😂

[@guilhermelopes986]

I'm really overdue for an upgrade, but prices here is Brazil are really really hard to justify, pouring 3 to 4 months worth of pay for what is considered "budget" out there is just a bad taste in my mouth. I have an ancient Intel from 2013 running a 1060 (the 3gb one cus it was much, much cheaper at the time and a sizeable upgrade from the 660 the pc came with). Which was all bought with mom's money at the time, but even now I'm really struggling to justify buying a whole new PC with my own money, the games I enjoy are mostly indie or are old enough to not need new hardware.

[@_SereneMango]

That's what I do: look up for indie games - I'm actually still happy with my 950. AAA games are already another can of worms to begin with...

[@105rogue]

Brazil huh. Coffee from Brazil is fantastic 👌. This is random and has nothing to do with pc tech, but I understand there has been a lot of political unrest in Brazil regarding the elections. Not sure if that is still a thing but I just wanted to say well. . . I hope you are safe and doing well.

[@guilhermelopes986]

@@105rogue Eh things have settled down, mostly. Current government is playing it safe, they know people dont like and dont trust them, and the only reasons they won is that Bolsonaro was a enough of dumbass wannabe right wing extremist and fucked up enough that suddenly the semi-senile fucking mob boss (that was "released" from jail to run for president... ) isn't looking too bad of an alternative. Specially when less privileged people would for sure vote for him due to his "commie wannabe" profile and some far off promises of easy money due to lax social programs (that he currently doesn't have the budget to pay). Overall things are not too bad, but I at least still expect some major fuck ups and shenanigans by the gorverment until this cycle ends.

[@105rogue]

@@guilhermelopes986 Regardless, glad you're safe.

[@ARBESProductions]

Yep. As a Brazilian myself the hardware prices here are crazy. I had to buy the 3060 12Gb during the pandemic because of work and it was so damn expensive.

[@Ascuded]

I don't care anymore, I found the hardware which I can use to play my games comfortably and will only upgrade when it stops functioning. Not planning on giving away two and a half kidneys for an upgrade

[@arturwittensoeltner8729]

Ahhhhhhhhh come on, an arm & a leg should be enough don't you think?😉

[@liambenjamin2827]

this is why i'm thankful that i was able to buy a $100 1660ti back in 2019 where it was not very expensive. still using it until now and i'm not upgrading.

[@XPLOSIVization]

Got my RX 6800 last year to replace a dying RX 480, although the RX 6800 seems like a massive step up from my other card (I'm still only using 1080p and a 60Hz TV), So for me upgrading to something right now just isn't viable and would be a complete waste of money

[@cesartapia610]

Despite the ridiculous pricing of the newer series of cards, I think the 1080p performance segment is now relatively affordable. Especially considering how we could have sold our cards (Rx 480/580) at various points during the shortage for maybe $500. Why did you pick the 6800 if you mostly play at 1080p? Aren't the 5700 xt and 6600 xt better options for price/performance at 1080p? Just curious because I find myself in a similar situation, but am leaning towards getting a used 1080ti or Titan XP for around $250 instead of buying a new higher end card for $350. Maybe that's better value for me because I exclusively player older titles.

[@superioritymelee]

​​​@@cesartapia610 Depends on the country to be honest, used cards market is bad in some countries so you are better off getting a new one instead. I got a 6700XT even though I am on 1080p, it's a bit overkill but I tend to replace my graphics card every 5-6 years so it's not a bad deal. And you have the power consumption advantage at 1080p if you limit your FPS to 60. My card draws like 100-120 watts and this figure can go even lower in older titles. That's another factor when buying a card because 1080ti might not be as efficient and it might add up especially if electricity is expensive where you live.

[@sportschool3537]

@@cesartapia610 Dude, I'm sorry but my 6600XT is handling 1440p gaming EASILY... most AAA games I play on 1440p at 60 FPS and competitive games I can easily go 1080p with the AMD 1080 to 1440p sharpening at 144 FPS... hey, I play F1 22 at ultra settings 1440p at over 100 FPS ffs... People are way too hyped for the overkill... unless you want 4k then 6700XT is THE card to have... very affordable for our day and age (around 450-500 I think), can easily handle even 1440p 144FPS, has enough VRAM to be decent for quite a few years and never be irrelevant for 1440p and overall it's THE most value for money card right now... the RX 6800 is the least value for money AMD card imo... cause it's not a REAL 4k card and at the same time it's not worth the money to just play 1440p cause you can do it with cheaper cards... so IMO you either go for 1440p with 6600XT or 6700XT or you go 4k with 6900XT or 7900XT... not even mentioning the NVidia scam prices... AMD is way more affordable... Anyway, people need to think WHAT they want their GPU to achieve before they buy one... also, other things like DDR5 Ram can give very very nice boosts of performance... 7-10 more FPS for 120-130$ with that new RAM is no joke... especially since RAM is something you'd get eventually anyway... having a 1000$ GPU with old gen ram is literally retarded...

[@ViaScientifica]

GPUs have become too expensive. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that the upgrades in GPU technology have not kept up with the price hikes.

[@The-Cat]

yea... stupid ray tracing gimmick seems like the most hyped selling-point and it's the only motivation to make all the upscaling tech gimmick number 2 relevant.

[@ThatPianoNoob]

I dont fucking understand why nobody is mentioning how the console focus of the industry has basically destroyed any necessity to actually upgrade your hardware all that much. Why the fuck would I upgrade my graphics card if there isnt a game out there that can actually utilize that. I guess cyberpunk 2077 and star citizen.. Anything else is meant to be played on a console that is classfied as the joke that is "next gen".

[@The-Cat]

@@ThatPianoNoob High five on everything you said bro! 👍 so fucking true. Especially Star Citizen, amazing views on a tripple 1440p monitor setup!

[@starscream6629]

@@ThatPianoNoobEven star field

[@bencegergohocz5988]

​​@@starscream6629Well, not realy. Bethwsda games are always limited by CPU usage, not by the GPU. The consols can't handle Starfield at 60 but not because of the GPU of the xboxes.

[@schadenfreude6274]

I bought a 2070 in 2018 and till this day its still working. I can still play pretty much every game at either 1440p or 1080p. Sure I have to lower my gfx settings abit, and I may not get Full 60fps but who cares when gfx cards now cost so much and from the looks of it is just minor incremental improvements. I can totally take my time to wait. I'll probably only upgrade when they release the 6070 or even 7070.

[@cbca6567]

Agreed. my 2070 super is in my Dell G5 i7 10900 and drives my Dell 3220DGf monitor native resolution 2560x1440 at 164 Hz Nvidia Gsync, and runs past and modern games at that resolution smoothly. My GPU is very close to a 2080 non super and that card is one of the two graphics cards recommended for the upcoming game Starfield; the other card meeting the raytracing objectives which I do not need. As the youtube reviewer said he uses a 2080 on his personal pc and the 3000/4000 series offers only modest performance increases compared to their prices. I will also wait until the next gen GPU with 32 Gig VRAM and at that point I will probably change my pc and monitor too.

[@justdoingitjim7095]

I'd been wanting to upgrade my entry level graphics card for something better, now that I've gotten more experience in gaming. But, the high prices kept me playing with the one I had. Recently it started having problems, so I started looking around again. Surprisingly the prices have started going down and I picked up a new 8 gig RX6600 at a decent price. It was already discounted 20% and I added my relative's 10% discount because they work at Amazon, where I bought it. The difference in my gaming experience is HUGE and it I didn't have to mortgage the house to do it!

[@hoxton_hummingbird]

My GPU journey for the last 10 years was going from GTX 560 to a RX 480 to a RTX 2080, which still feels like the smartest thing I've ever did. Bought the 2080 from eBay for ~350€ when the next generation came along, so I've been comfortably looking at all these prices as they went by 😅

[@ancientnpc]

2080 is still a kickass card... up there with 1080Ti in terms of bang for buck over many years

[@hoxton_hummingbird]

@@ancientnpc yeah! To be honest, I feel like most of GPU power over the last couple of years goes mostly into bad optimization and being able to run games that use it for very diminishing returns..

[@easydayez]

​@@ancientnpcray trace is over hyped and way too early to buy in on 1080Ti is the way right now imho

[@k3salieri]

I'd be building a new computer right now if prices weren't so ridiculous.

[@felipe8511]

there are so many games from 2000 to 2015 on the backlog that i could spend the rest of my life without upgrading my PC and i would never ran out of games, not to mention mods, games like modded daggerfall could last 10k hours easily

[@Waldherz]

Has nothing to do with caring or not caring. Most people just cant afford an upgrade.

[@doctorno3912]

Even those that can afford it some are a bit wiser with money and don't see the value.

[@bushmonster1702]

Yep and it’s about recognising value. PC gamers are a bit more savvy and can see the obvious rip off.

[@heatherharrison264]

For the size of monitor that I prefer to use, 1920x1080 resolution is perfectly good, and being happy with 1920x1080 will save me a fortune in the future. Therefore, the 1660 Ti that I bought a few years ago is still fine. I don't buy the latest AAA games anyway because they are always buggy at launch, and most aren't interesting to me anyway. My CPU, on the other hand, is more than ten years old, and it is showing its age, so a CPU/mother board/memory replacement will likely happen before long.

[@chrisworthman3191]

Greed has destroyed gaming in general. Games are shit, hardware is overpriced.

[@dandyer8351]

greed has destroyed many things in this world my friend.

[@buzz4633]

After years and years before Covid, I got used to not buying a new GPU. Thanks to their refusal to spool up more manufacturing capacity. Instead they just, like you say, decide to scalp the customer. Finally upgraded my 1060Ti to a 3060 when it hit rock bottom at MSRP price. So, at that trend I'll probably upgrade at 5000 or 6000 series.

[@JellyLancelot]

I’m still on a 980Ti and was dead set on a 3080 launch. 2 years on and I’m still on the 980Ti as the 3080 is still £700+ even on eBay. The best deal I’ve found so far is an XFX 6800 XT which looks tempting at £570 on Amazon right now, but I’m still paying only £80 below MSRP two years after the card launched and with the new gen being released, and stock is still in limited supply across Scan/Ebuyer/Overclockers. I’m not even considering the new generation cards as the price to performance is just rubbish.

[@haroldaltamirano3958]

3080 is $500 on facebook marketplace

[@StingyGeek]

AMDs response to competition is very stark. In the CPU space, intel holds AMD to account and they compete. In the GPU space, AMD is happy for NVIDEA to set the price, and then AMD is happy to just near-match in a way that keeps the market uncompetitive - and their profits are basically maximised. If only AMD acted in the GPU space, like it was in the CPU space. Hopefully intel can bring some competition to the GPU market. And of course, all companies waste silicon on RT.

[@V.D.22]

true but Nvidia has a lot more years of experience in the GPU market.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Yeah, GPU market is price fixing mess.

[@Mannuu1]

Amd keeps investing more on the cpu market cause it makes them a lot more money first and second because Intel is scum... Karma took its time but it finally hit them where it hurts the most... Costumer credibility and mindshare. Gpu market is very different. Ppl keep getting flabbergasted by catchy names like dlss, Ray tracing, tensor cores etc and whatever amd does it just doesn't sell. Nvidia has almost 85% of the gaming market even after amds most competitive line up in years, the rdna2 cards, they still lost marketshare.. It becomes very hard to justify to investors that they want to grow and focus on the radeon group even more when cpus department just does so much better... The fine wine everyone keeps talking about on the radeon cards is a mute matter though it is real but it doesn't bring them any more money. Everyone that bought below rtx 3090 will regret their decision soon? Yes they will... U can tell its already happening now with the memory limited cards like the 3070 and 3080s on these newer games coming out like forspoken and hogwarts legacy but again. A mute point.. Ppl will upgrade in their own time and still by Nvidia the next time cause it is what it is. Jeson huang is a genius. An evil genius but still a genius... And Lisa su is an extraordinary engineer but not a publicist like huang... Intel I just don't think will last in the arena tbh...

[@Geekhobby]

The difference is that AMD had to compete with Intel for their survival. They don´t need to compete nomore. Now AMD has has a big market share on CPUs and has become like Nvidia, greedy. Killing the PC-game market together with Nvidia. They dont realise it because greed does make them blind.

[@jacobbrown1690]

@@V.D.22no they don’t lol. ATI was around before nvidia. AMD bought ATI

[@Sara-nb8fv]

I'm holding back from buying a high-end gpu for now. I got a 1070 ti that I bought in 2019 and it's still going great. I can stick to 1080p no problem. In my case money wasn't the issue. I'm not poor nor rich but I work a lot and save like hell. I was recently looking at gpu prices and took an interest in the 4080. Until I watched Gamers Nexus videos about it (I haven't been in the loop for a bit) and saw the disaster Nvidia caused, and poor money to performance ratio. I can fully afford a 4080. But I don't want to. Really flies around my ass if Nvidia said goodbye to reasonable gpu prices. Nice and dandy for u, Nvidia but say goodbye to customers buying ur gpus then. They really said "If u don't want them at this price, don't buy them." and got surprised when ppl stopped buying their overpriced gpus lol Outstanding move, my liege. I was done with them the moment they chose scalpers over long time fans and gamers. I only have now hope in AMD or I hope that Nvidia's greed will push them to release an affordable Pascal-like series every couple years between their cash-grabs. When I built my first pc the gpu market was promising, now I don't even care anymore. Even companies like EVGA tapped out. If a company like EVGA leaves the market it's bad. I'll buy a ps5, I'll buy an xbox series X but I won't put a single £ towards a gpu unless my pc is struggling and surely that money won't go towards Nvidia.

[@TheHunt890]

I switched to the 7900 XTX, after 4 years with my 2080 Ti BECAUSE EVGA tapped out. I find Ray Tracing to be its strongest in tech demos like Quake 2, and Portal, but main AAA games don't show as much of an improvement in visuals imo. Reflections tend to look low-res, and honestly I find ray tracing needs more work. We're just not there yet unless you have a 4090, and even that takes advantage of DLSS and frame gen, so I switched to AMD and haven't looked back. It's essentially a faster 4080 for less $ if you're not into ray tracing.

[@Sara-nb8fv]

@@TheHunt890 I'd love ray tracing but I had the same realisation. It's not there yet. It will be great in a couple of years, for sure. Currently, I don't see myself paying £1,300 for a Gigabyte card just to get some kinda cool effects from time to time. I know Nvidia, especially, will try to sell ray tracing as if it was the next big thing after 3D graphics but I'm not buying their marketing. Ofc, they would try to pass it as a new breakthrough. The same way apple added a new notch and called it a breakthrough in technology. I'd rather stay realistic. I'm not trying to recuperate million upon million of dollars that went into their new technology. I'm not gonna be hyped about it enough to by a 4090. I don't think I'll ever spend money on Nvidia anymore, tbh. Sooner or later they will be massively called out for their greed and they will drop a pascal-like gpu with great performance to money ratio and then it will be the only time I'll give them my money. For now, they better be satisfied with those few people who can afford to spend £££ for a 4090. I bet enthusiast and overspenders' money will be enough to satisfy Nvidia lol Bet it's their demographics lol

[@frankwren8215]

Everyone knows that the card prices are artificially inflated. They can either lower the prices or not sell them. Simple as.