Why Nobody Uses Ash (It's Not Just Powercreep) [Arknights]

[@danylokhorenko7501]

You owe us intro joke

[@burpium1767]

Expecting 2 jokes for the next episode 😂

[@thomaslepage5941]

No he doesn't. Modding Fatalis to be Blue-Eyes White Dragon is peak comedy.

[@xivilius.]

SUPAH trying not to talk shit about Ash for a day, Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE

[@PlasuMinasu]

Gummy vs the blue eyes white dragon as the background gameplay is something I did not expect to ever see on your channel

[@JM-nothing-more]

you must not have been here for long

[@kyarumomochi5146]

You should have known better!

[@Bondrewd__21]

I mean, it’s SUPAH, what else have you expected then? Ash fighting that white dragon?

[@fedorgame4839]

Supah trying to act like he doesn't want ash to fist him with her flashbang grenade

[@U-key_official]

More like he wants her to penetrate his ass with her breaching round.

[@billlee3851]

My favorite thing about Ash is when she stuns an enemy but shoots at other enemies instead. Truly a collab operator moment.

[@SUPAH_SUPAH_SUPAH]

And also because she's a true limited that hasn't reran for 3 years. Yes.

[@agustdofficial8945]

She has one of most satisfying skill. S3 goes brttttttttttttttt.......

[@Ascend337]

You have successfully convinced me to stop pulling for her

[@abrahamwijaya6631]

She has one thing good.... In base 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@snorp6781]

Please get a lower resolution picture of Wiš'adel.

[@nicksugoi9366]

​@@agustdofficial8945 s2 goes brrt not s3 lol , her s3 is explosive push enemies

[@enno8015]

Ruh roh he found a content formula

[@giahuytran720]

IInfinite money glitch

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

Supah took the ash comments so personally he forced himself to remember archeto exists

[@januszpolak254]

Bro really can't get over Ash existance.

[@PayAttEx]

And bro is also dead wrong. People aren't using Ash because unless you're an old player you don't have the operator. It's one of the rarest operators in the game. I never even thought I would be able to get her until now. I got her though and her S2 is a banger skill. :)

[@megugao]

​@@PayAttExash does not get bad, newer operator just get better

[@mohammedsalmaanjada7798]

Its true what supah is saying thou,she's just not relevant anymore, s2 is an ok skill to use but their are much better

[@NewNecro]

@@mohammedsalmaanjada7798 90% of what he said applies to her entire subclass though. She's a more expensive sidegrade to Exu who is stronger against stunnable enemies. Sniper is the class that improved the most through stronger units and newer subclasses after Chalter set a new high bar for how 6* snipers can be really good (People used to think she was an insane powercreep but now there are multiple flexible alternatives to her between Rosa, Pozy and Typhoon). That improvement also isn't as nearly as invalidating as direct powercreep like Walter is to Rosmortis or Texalter is to Phantom.

[@HWMREWesker]

You think about Ash from battle point of view. I think about Ash from base slave point of view. We're not the same.

[@vice2792ocl]

well you see, in terms of material efficiency... yada yada. I think easy answer is Never Needing to worry about about fatigue is probably worth it.

[@Moonlight-qq2qr]

Thanks for taking my bribe and hyping up Archetto, the cult greatly values your assistance

[@xtranathor8143]

All hail cute sniper nun!

[@Obscurior32]

All hail cute sniper nun!! 🙏🗿

[@Hel1mutt]

all hail cute sniper nun! ⛪♥

[@bencoad8492]

still prefer to use her over exu at least i can use her s3 when i want >_

[@thatguy7329]

"I ran out of jokes for the intro" *Me completely disarmed and shocked in delirium by see Gummy fighting a Blue Eyes White Dragon*

[@IrisRhodes3765]

“I owe you nothing” You owe me my huehue griddy

[@birdroll]

ash only has use in low dp situations (like CC), where her Y module allowed her to be deployed very quickly (which no-one figured out because thinking and reading is hard) fortunately for us lobotomites, almost every stage in the game doesnt have an enemy that can reach the blue box before myrtle can activate her skill

[@Lss40]

There's one other operator that powercrept her niche not mentioned in the video - Texas Alter. Stun on deployment and then additional stun soon after was Ash's very powerful tool, but Texas Alter just does it way better.

[@EggyEggtoast]

at some point wisadel is just going to be represented as a 2x2 white and red set of pixels

[@ghostlydude6478]

“This time, a special treat to wisadel, lower resolution. No I will not be increasing the resolution.”

[@pizsaf2058]

You seem to forget that my 'Ash has to be in this team comp' niche, I need Ash. The moment i switch Ash with a different operator, the niche requirement isn't fulfilled anymore, thus failing the stage immediately.

[@okNerdRage]

Well that's just your fault for playing a dumb niche. Or a niche at all. Dumb.

[@khongnoi1012]

I consider her a sidegrade of Exu: less potential, but safer helidrop (thanks to Stun on deploy), and fewer cases where she gets stuck shooting high DEF enemies (thanks to high damage per shot on S2).

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Fun fact: for base skill and nostalgia reasons (i joined when event first ran), i was rolling for ash. On the 110th pull, i got typhoon. The game can be quite silly sometimes.

[@sirki2885]

at least it wasnt ash at 110 so you got an extra 6* but yeah would be nice to get spooked by typhon at some point

[@gaerekxenos]

@@sirki2885 Oh gods no =-=;; I had my Ash at around 110 during the original run >

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@@sirki2885 I'm not going to be building typhoon though, so It was just the game saying i was stupid for rolling for ash.

[@sirki2885]

@@Santisima_Trinidad ouch but then again main reason rolling for ash is her base atm its really been a big help in maintaining my sanity in base management

[@daag1851]

But Supaaaah, what about the Stun, and by that I mean she is one of the only 18 (Ash, Beeswax, Bibeak, Blitz, Cliffheart, Hoerderer, Jessica Alter, Mostima, Near Alter, Penance, Project Red, Rosmontis, Skyfire, Texas, Texas Alter, W, Wind_Chimes, Zuo_Le) operators who can do stun on demand rather then on RNG, plus her stun actually last for some time other than that I agree she is mid and yes I had to write down all of them

[@Hoshiyomi-w-]

"Phantom" bro I dont think you can call Phantom s3 not stun RNG

[@daag1851]

@@Hoshiyomi-w- yeah you right edited, I kinda forgot what his skill even was

[@anniejellah1913]

Why include cliffheart but not the other shifters? All shifters stun during shift

[@bluerendar2194]

@@anniejellah1913 because of they don't shift, they don't have the stun effect. The exceptions are Cliff and Weedy since they always stun, and Weedy is not on-demand.

[@daag1851]

@@anniejellah1913 as @bluerendar2194 has said thx @bluerendar2194

[@Derin7890]

even if we exclude Exu or you dont have her there is still Kross Alter with her S2

[@taufikrahman8479]

Next vid : Ash Situation is Crazy

[@owo4470]

man they made ash and ela so accurate that even in here, ashe gets outshined by ela's kit

[@sparky00777]

You won't stop us from unlocking the 5th Dorm!!

[@AkaneSasuSora]

every time you comment about wis'adel she loses a pixel

[@shigeru6282]

The sad truth is that marksman snipers are becoming more and more obsolete with every new event. It seems that in a year or two they will become the new brawlers of Arknights which is sad cause I love this archetype and diversity each of the marksman snipers provide

[@januszpolak254]

That's the fate of all "basic" archetypes. Pioneers and Dreadnoughts are already eating dust.

[@ketsura3618]

Marksman were kinda relevant on Exeter event, simple because you wanted you had that thing, and Markmen attacked fast enough to make it better, for everything else in the stage, they were dead weight.

[@scaredycat3146]

I always roll my eyes when someone complains something can or can't hit air units. As if that's a relevant niche, we almost never get to fight strong flying stuff.

[@LozerLudo]

i think its moreso just cause drones and other flying enemies have become less common/relevant over the years, and the ones that do are bosses from what i remember so you just bring mylnar chalter wisadel anyways to deal w em.

[@no.4779]

Crazy that I started out playing because of fiammetaa, literally used her in every map up until typhon. Now i don’t even use typhon anymore because it takes no brain cell to drop a f grenade and all the homies press 9 on suzuran instead of f aiming at the enemies

[@metal9076]

"SUPAH! But I use Ash!"

[@bigslump3622]

Yes yes very siege, now give us lower resolution Walter

[@KTKompa]

Great video! My comprehension is a bit lacking due to being EN, but I rolled for Ash and got her!

[@Glicole_]

elite enemies specifically drone type thats what I used her for

[@Glicole_]

ofc now typhon is better with this but exia need buff ela trap can't target flying type pokemon

[@touchme4856]

Okay now we need a yugioh collab with Kaiba as the 6 star summoner

[@PROtoss987]

her name is Ling

[@touchme4856]

@@PROtoss987 thats true, but she doesnt insult me every two seconds

[@MrX-un8cz]

i guess 3 years ago they didn't want to make her strong so they just gave her a niche remember 3 years ago we don't have anything that can smack the enemy from the other side of the map(GG, typhon and ray S3) and the boss killing skill back then either skadi S3 or silverash so player options is very limited, unfortunately fast forward to today's, we do have a gigantic amount of operator that just laugh at boss face, too much defense? ceobe, too much art resist? orbital strike typhon, too much of both defense and art resist? virtuosa, monst3r and hoederer however they did properly introduce a good niche for ela, even if her dps is subpar in the future, she still got decent amount of utilities thanks to her mines and her module basically fix her biggest issue but it was nice of them to give her dps skill at elite 1 because back then grinding tier 3 material is a fucking nightmare unfortunately marksman sniper is just in a really bad position for arknight currently, you have so much more option to kill aerial enemy like trapmaster, unless there's a certain restrictions you can probably play the game without leveling any marksman sniper to elite 2

[@rampart5631]

Since i got called out lol, all i said was ash was good back then but then got powercrept by the game. It's like how if silverash was released today he'd be a mid unit.

[@soulburner1860]

2:38 Flatinum got shot. It's been so long

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Supah, my guy. I love you. But saying "Ash was never good" is just flat out wrong. Do you think we used her for so long simply because we liked Ash THAT MUCH that we gimped ourselves by not taking Exu or Archetto instead? No. She WAS the good choice. Two things have happened: 1. The meta has shifted away from Ash's niche in favour of Exu's niche. 2. She was powercrept.

[@idiom2805]

Again, if you like her, roll for her. Probably never gonna see her again. Personal preference > meta sheep.

[@hersheedenwerf]

I do use her

[@MadIIMike]

"Why nobody uses Ash" - because she's a limited operator a lot of people don't/didn't have and the people making guides didn't feature her. I don't think she's the greatest operator ever, but she's pretty good when going into stages blind, where you wouldn't know the timings for Exu S3 and the like. I'd say it's more of a Marksman archetype thing that doesn't allow completely insane operators unless they ignore their archetype. Primarily their targets are aerial enemies with low defence and the 3-5* operators still need to do the same thing. If we apply the same logic, Saileach must be completely useless, because Myrtle does the same job and has inbuild global vanguard regen. As far as defensive fast redeploys go, I think Gravel is still the one able to tank the most damage. And Cuora is or was the defender with the highest def.

[@heimdallcvl]

I got Ash at 60 something pulls. Got dupes for Typhon, Pozzy and Eunectes before getting her. I wasn't playing in the first run of the event, I have enough pulls for the coming banners I want and it was simply for collection purposes. She'll probably be E0 lvl 1 for ever, but it is what it is.

[@JADATH650]

Image this: Ash is designed to be like a 6* April On talent 1, throws a flash bang that makes Ash and other surrounding operators camouflage for X seconds. (Thematically blinding the enemies. Hell even reduce all enemy accuracy 80% would be better.) Reduced deployment time, reduced DP cost and SP+ on Talent 2, not only on 1st deploy. (Its not only on first deploy on April) Skill 2 is passive, and meant for her to be retreated and redployed to use. Atk +40%, ammo 31, reduce interval. (Even April gets +100%, crazy) Skill 3 can still only be used 2 times per deployment, whch is now fine because she is meant to be retreated. The SP+ from T2 and camo from T1 keeps her safe the perfect amout of time for this to pop off once. With 3 6* marksman, none of them are a 6* April. Sucks man.

[@Hasel6858]

there is only one niche where ash are truely outstanding, the ultimate AFK base strat

[@miltaire3235]

Got her in 5. Account ruined, Aaking myself now

[@SingleMothersBeware]

Ash's S1 stats were so funny to me, i guess it was made to exactly double-tap those lil slugs in her collab event, otherwise it is only viable for trash clear everywhere else (sometimes on EX stages) Anyways i spent everything on her banner since im doing R6S niche plus all their multiplicative talents/numbers translate well into IS runs Painful, albeit fun all around

[@nuginurohman7613]

ray s2 not even afk btw, sure its infinite but you must use sandbeast to make this skill efficient ,without sandbeast management its just basic hit with extra range and damage

[@shiron1076]

i feel like the only way to save her kit is just redeploy reduction considering her talent makes want to deploy her to trigger and her s3 resupplies its uses

[@bluerendar2194]

Also make that damn SP talent activate on every deploy SMH That's probably her kit if she released today, tack on April -redeploy and make the SP talent work every time. She'd still be pretty mid I think, but probably on the better end of mid.

[@peakerbox]

I feel a lot more would have to be shifted around for her. Her skills can stay but need number changes. S1 needs a buff, S2 is fine with the attack interval/ammo but take the extra dmg off stun w s2 (but keep the stun talent activation on s2), remove her useless DP reduction talent and just put "150% increased dmg while skill activated" and atp you wouldn't even need to buff S1 (maybe, actually idk?) but making her increased dmg conditional on S2 AND making you get the module just to see its full potential is insane. It's Aosta all over again. "Deal a good chunk of damage under conditions that aren't convenient where you could just use someone else (even in lower rarities) and they perform better at minimum or immensely better in general." She might actually be gas then..? I kind of figured they'd rework her before re-run considering what she is, but they'd never do such a thing as to rework an operator tho as that's where spending $ (or saving pulls) for Walter comes in!! (Edit: I used 20 leftover pulls for her banner just to send it and got her so will probably use her for funnies anyway)

[@bananaslamma35]

Ash has 1 functional niche I've found is semi consistent, and that's specifically in IS. She can actually play well with a lot of different IS builds when another more specialized Sniper would suffer from RNG. It's still not a good niche, but she's at least playable. That is more than what can be said for... actually bad operators.

[@Kyle81290]

Looks like Ash is the new Skadi

[@Sephiko]

just wait another 3 years where she has a good module that's only usable in one mode

[@steinsschrodinger8688]

Can't wait for Wisadel release on global and SUPAH will spit more shit about her being "too OP" 💀

[@Arphalon]

Just use whatever character you like. You like Ash? Use Ash, modules exist.

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

>"Why Nobody Uses Ash" Was I...not supposed to be using Ash this whole time?

[@theodorevelasco5539]

Arknights most BELOVED youtuber

[@empress_eve]

3 years ago is different from now; that I can understand. But I feel like you've missed a lot of important details that make Ash not entirely the worst unit ever. She: > Can synergize with Schwarz' ATK buff from whenever she's in the squad (+10% ATK bonus (+12% at max potential) ARC-X module S3 = +15% ATK (+17% at max potential) and this is given to every Sniper (not [subclass] Sniper, just Sniper) class in the squad) and the best part is, Schwarz doesn't need to be deployed for this buff to be activated either, she could be in the deployment bay the entire time. > Ash synergizes with literally any unit that can stun and give her the S2 damage bonuses; this is including: Gummy, W (S2 & S3), Blitz (S1 & S2), Mudrock (S3), Click (S2), Aak (buffed with his module especially), Beeswax (S2), Bibeak (S2), Croissant (S2), literally any Push Stoker/Puller that does stun, Flametail (S2), Kal'tsit (when Mon3tr is defeated), Kroos Alter (talent/trait), Liskarm (S2), Manticore (S2), Mizuki (S3), Mostima (S2), Nalter (S3), and Texas (Both of them, S2 (Texalt S3)). > She sets off an AoE stun upon deployment. Nothing too special to add here but she can help buy time for incoming enemies especially if you're needing to stop a massive slew of enemies from getting into the goal. > As a Marksmen, her attacks are Physical, which helps a ton when it comes to enemies with high RES but little to no DEF (like Exu). > She's also a low-cost rarity due to her archetype. Her Talent 2 lowers the cost of her first deployment by -3 DP (MAR-Y makes this -4) and makes it more cost efficient to deploy in situations where DP is limited. > Her S3 is read like almost (barring Frost, Ela, Fuze, Iana and Tachanka) every other operator from the R6S collab; Blitz's S1, Doc's S2 come to mind. However, they have alternate options for people who don't want to constantly wait to redeploy them after running out of skill usage from the previous deployment (Blitz S2, Doc S1, Ash S2 (probably the best skill in her kit outside of her S3). Comparing Ela to Ash isn't remarkable considering they're both entirely different classes with different skills and requirements for those skills; Ash is a Marksmen Sniper, not a Trapmaster Specialist like Ela who can do a lot of things; and shouldn't be compared with someone pushing in a different weight class than the other. > Back with Exu and Ash (I genuinely think this is important); they are the same- that I can agree with. However, it's like people comparing Siege to Saga and trying to figure out who powercrept what. They do the same things in different ways, in the same subclass as each other; one is just manual and the other is automatic. Exu is about timing her skill to certain other skill procs to get the most out of her DPS; while with Ash, you can just proc her skill manually when you feel everything is ready. But I'm confused, did she powercrept, or didn't she? Is she just versatile in different areas compared to the other units? Is she not worth the pulls? Do we not pull for her? I already got her 3 years back but I'm thinking in the perspective of a new player here. From my honest perspective, Ash is fine. She isn't groundbreaking, she isn't the next Chalter (that's Walter), she's just actually doing what her class description says (unlike Mister Doc "ground healer as a guard instructor that can outheal a healer within a second (and let him give you HP shields on top of that too)") and there's nothing more, or less to that. People can find their use for her, but she isn't entirely useless and her kit doesn't work against her (like certain someones) and makes her incredibly versatile depending on the situation you feel the need to use her in. I think it's important to say when people need to invest in a unit if they truly need that unit; especially now unlike 3 years ago where we got what we got to work with. Anyway, I'm just a Sniperknights player that plays for fun a lot of the time. I didn't mean to ramble for so long but man, I hate this debate cropping up, again.

[@Brazio20]

funny that he mentioned Ela as if Archetto and Exu aren't affected as well.

[@Willie_Shakes]

Ash was amazing during IW when I had just started to game and was borrowing her. helped me clear the normal mode of that event. Good times, good memories and a nice Ash

[@CrossbreedAzure]

The way Ubisoft has been going I doubt we'll have another collaborate run in the future so I rather get these characters. What also helps me with with this decision is the fact that I saved up enough to still have 200 pulls for the next limited Banner coming up because I actually saved unlike everybody else apparently.

[@namonaite]

Honestly I think her mechancial shortfalls make her more fun to use, same reason I will use Ray over Wis'adel.... (this is 50% cope since I just wanted anything from the banner and got Ash twice)

[@Itashafan]

That’s an insult I’ve been using ash since release!!

[@axios4702]

I use Ash to hunt drones. There are many stages with annoying drones that move through awkward ranges or very fast. Ash's skill 2 allows you to immobilize and take out such drones. There are probably better ways to deal with them, but Ash was my first non-AoE 6* sniper and it's what I'm used to do.

[@roxashunter8879]

I love how his MHW just gets progressively more modded as times passe.

[@mahakimukano4536]

I still use her, her new module makes her S2 even stronger. Yes she may have been powercreept but she still got ok damage with a 6 seconds stun on all the enemies located on the target's tile.

[@CibleYeet]

The only real benefit imo is with the other module y, in this sense she is more like a helicopter drop sniper. For the price of 1 kroos you get stun on deploy and 17/25 for the skills. Only use case for me so far is in high risk is if I get cucked out of a vanguard

[@JP-iq5pg]

I think it wasn't mentioned in the video, so if I'm right, I think it should have been mentioned that her s2, when activated, will not guarantee that Ash will only attack enemies that were stunned by her Talent, for the duration of s2, which is the biggest problem, at least for me. I could forgo the fact that she's not the best for "elite mob killing" (but still up there for a Marksman, in my opinion), but knowing there's fewer situations now where enemies that Ash has to "focus fire" are the only one walking within her attack range is a big turnoff to me nowadays. You could argue that I should just put other operators to help Ash, but that's starting to be too much work. Yeah maybe i'd just use stronger and simpler Operators in her stead. Unless they plan to release a module or something that makes her heavily prioritize enemies stunned by her Talent, I will only think of Ash as a niche pick in IS3/4 when I have relics that increase stun duration whose role is to stun on demand while doing some damage.

[@zaneexe6750]

the only reason to pull ash nowdays is limited operator collection, for gameplay especially f2p it's better to use your resource on meta

[@cefrinaldi8060]

I remember 3 years ago during the collab i only pull ash because of she is super limited. But after that, the only r6s collab ops i ever use is Tachanka and the rest is gathering dust.

[@govinlock8568]

My issue with Ash is her total damage per skill cycle is lackluster compared with other single target snipers. I had tried her for a while after her event released and eventually I went back mostly to Exu because the later has much more total damage despite her struggle against heavy enemies. Her niche is mainly on her stun that very handy against vulnerable difficult enemies.

[@fushizenna1796]

Ash is a reason why i remember about Arknights 3 years ago and comeback year after AK release day. Im using her for 3 years and almost never drop her off squad. She carried me in early days and still she has never disappointed me so far. Who cares if some operators useless when you like them lol? Its like you cant understand why Ash is ok op and just keep yap about her how bad she is in every vid. 14(12 with pot 6) dp or 9(7 with pot 6 and with module) dp cost with stun after deployment and good s2 uptime + she cute with her skin. If your point is "Why are you using 3 years old operators when there is new *incert names* op", then its probably better for you to just sit in main menu and jerk on gummy (and i must say she is bad operator because she is in game for 4 years and even then there was Saria so stop edge to her🤓)

[@ketsura3618]

Sure pal, them just keep jerking to her, since it literally dont matter in the grand scheme of things that u like a operator. One of my fav is Franka, and I could bring her to every stage, but I just dont because I'm aware that while her 90% of her is amazing, the 10% that is her kit isn't and I'm not a masochist. If you like doing masochist things, you are free, but don't try to talk like if it mattered.

[@mochalatte8362]

The thing about this video is that, like every other review, is purely objective and statistical. It's the same thing as saying "Vigil is bad for a 6 star"and " Lessing and Viviana is USABLE bout mediocre". No one is going to conficate your favorite operator for not dealing 1 morbillion damage or covering 17272618 roles at once. If someone tells me Mountain, the operator that introduced me to this game, fell off because of other better, more versatile lane holders, and due to enemies stacking their DEF, I would answer the following questions; -Does the game, in its current form, give disadvantages/cripples the operator because of powercreep, featurecreep, and mechanical reasons? >Yes -Can I still use this operator due to subjective and personal reasons as a part of Nichenights and/or dedicated and enjoyment of the game? >Yes In its core, Arknights is an subjectively objective game. You can roll and build what you like, you can play who you like, you can do clears with who you like, it's valid. But numerical/statistical factors exist, LMD a factor, Materials is a factor, Modules and trust is a factor, even TIME is a factor. The reason why meta ops are good is because of how CONVENIENT and easy the make the game. Besides no one is really gonna stop you from building who you want, whether it is meta or not, but it's still important to consider and balance the scales when it comes to these things. Imagine a level 15 account having a lvl90M9 Vigil with the other operators only lvl 1,at least consider the pros and cons before leveling up your favorite operator for personal reasons (coughcoughSollyzSundaysCOUGHCOUGH) anyways have a good day 👍

[@Kilo6Charlie]

I still prefer Ash over Exusiai for Elite Clearing BECAUSE she has an AFK-Unfriendly skill. See, I'm dum, and I can't bother burning the time and brainpower needed to figure out what timing to place Exusiai so her skill is up during the 4 tiles of range she usually has to DPS down an Elite Enemy. It's MUCH easier to just deploy Ash, wait for the enemy to enter her range, hit the Delete button, and cancel skill once the enemy is dead, rinse repeat. yes, it's not AFK, but when I'm not following a guide I don't do AFK anyway.I do low-brain (which does involve some AFK ops yes) Ela might be better sure, but I haven't grocked how to use her properly yet, and she still is working on stuff like Trust so she's lagging behind.

[@byeguyssry]

Am I going insane or does Supah start out saying that powercreep is not why she's bad 1:23 and end by saying that she got powercrept 8:54 (And on that note, yes, her strength on release is important when talking about collab operators that were strong, because the general assumption is that operators are not deliberately released strong while planned to be made worse quickly over time. If that is indeed true then it should be mentioned)

[@pdch759]

I mean yes, but it's possible we will never get to pull her again or have to wait 3 years again. So for me Collab operators are always more important than limited even if I won't use them, but just to collect them.

[@vitanera4032]

Imagine if they make a collab with fallout and one of the characters is courier six and his/her skill 3 is Euclid c finder 24 hour recharge time but deal an absurd amount of damage

[@4o4osam]

She's my go to sniper lmao, just time shit better and she goes pewpew+ stun. She and mudrock in a lane make it unlosable unless they get stunned, but just deploy a bait unit for the stuns

[@koekelbagstrogoff966]

Oh yeah, Ash finally got the stun module when Ela released, cheers for reminding me. Brb, gonna mod3 her real quick.

[@SowaPieselowa]

Well I'm kinda disappointed that nobody tries to synergies with other operators in TEAM, what the hell

[@aethermax4695]

The thing is people already could see the issues with Ash on release, but she wasn't that bad on release. But now its not just that other operators are stronger, other bosses are also stronger. Ash always was flawed in hindsight. And the same people who pushed her to max risks and stuff knew. (since they are the same people who are hardcore enough to understand the game)

[@slavchansidorov32]

Nah, Exu only shines at elite killing when they have no defence, as soon as they have good def stat which is not uncommon now, out of 2 its only Ash who deletes them. And comparing to Ela is kinda way too much, Ela is outright broken, there are very little dd operators I would consider bringing over her at all.

[@tiendungle2465]

i use Ask, her 2 stun back to back could be really useful sometimes

[@MrGotcha]

As a fan R6S, I'm still use her than other sniper marksman It's fun to use other R6S OPS tho XD

[@vice2792ocl]

Wow, so many CC's declaring Ash season. I didn't realize ash had so many detractors. Is ash meta, no, but this looks like a pancake or waffles situation. Look, she's r6, super limited. I'd like to believe we got some new r6 fans here cause ela and maybe ash. and I'll keep using her for the base.

[@Akiikage]

Got her first 10x. Can’t complain. 😂

[@Zero_Shift]

I think Ash is neat, but the fact that most enemies are stun immune makes her skill useless. The third skill that nobody uses is too limited and S1 is very bad for being an afk skill - I do like it though. Kinda wish it was at least +25% not +15. Honestly her best thing is that she has a stun on deployment (similar to project red or texalter) but it lasts a long time

[@onursenduran961]

Ash is indeed strong (unless facing stun immune enemies) and the issue is mostly about her arctype rather than Ash herself. She can both 6 secs stun and burst with 25 dp cost auto recovery skill which is BONKERS especially with Shu and Ptylopsis in your team for faster dp. However meta favors operators who are absolute units that can destroy armies and enemy bosses on their own and take a beating. While Ash can deal with most enemies safely via stun and burst, she dies to enemies that hit whole map, on top of that her arctype is bad against armor while high contingency contracts always always give mobs tons of armor.

[@M43VEEE_]

I got her in 30 pulls just so I can see her skin in the characters screen. She stays e0 tho

[@asdion]

Ash is more useful than gummy Especially in IS where Nethersea Predators and their ilk exist

[@scaredycat3146]

They may not be Wis'adel but let's not pretend Ela and Yato aren't powercreep incarnate. Not that I don't agree that as far as gameplay goes, there is no reason to pull for Ash nowadays. Luckily I did that 3 years ago so I don't have to anymore.

[@EliTheBraixen]

the only reason i pulled on ash banner was to get the rainbow operators and i found em really cool also cause i missed out due to misinfomation about it never coming to global which was my one regret when i came back after taking a break from arknights and i was also lucky to get all of em in 26 pulls

[@davidramirez6129]

I spent 100+ pulls getting Ash. Is she meta? I dont think so. Is she good? I dont know, prolly. Was she worth it? Hell yeah brother

[@randoguypassword5433]

SUPAH I hear you, but hear me out I started playing a month ago and I'm already obsessed SUPAH... My collection SUPAH... I missed out on Ela SUPAH... I NEED ASH SUPAH STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

[@Lakeses]

Your arguement isn't good ela power creep exusiai and archetto heavily too, you can't say exusiai is viable and ash isn't because ela exist because ela makew marksman snipers a joke anyway

[@Brazio20]

this

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

I personally find that ash is a good pick for is. The main reason besides is3 demanding stun is just that she slices and diced. Archetto and exia can get really bricked by high armor enemies. In a single map you just don’t pick them, but as a use for your sniper ticket, ash is one that can at least still provide crowd control and has some punch against high armor. You’d probably still pick something with bossing power like typhon, but I’ve generally found her reasonable there and genuinely a top pick in is3.

[@Vamparize]

I know that Ash is bad but I didn't feel like waiting another decade for a rerun (if that ever happens) so I pulled for her so I can finally have all the R6S operators

[@Omegadragon4]

Oh boy I cant wait to sit down and watch the new SUPAH video-BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON?!?

[@darkomega6597]

stun on deploy+stun on skill activation (with module, thats whole 12 seconds?), this is pretty unique to add to our strategy picks.. no other operator can do this no? imagine pickle situation, and there's no pickle to pick, Ash saves the day, or at least buys some time for operator's redeployments.. especially on ultra tough stages like CC & HS (I tend to collect no-other-operator-can-do-this operators, just like radiant knight's no-deployment-slot-used)

[@squidman3484]

Reasons to use ash: Good skin (Just to clarify, I dont have her built, shes still sitting e1 level 1, but thats a bussin skin)

[@wiktolego]

I use her regularly and shes really good. I dont know whats the problem

[@questionable_fox]

If only Ash s3 wasn't limited to 2 times per deployment. I could imagine Ash would have a niche of being a marksman sniper with good burst aoe damage, because her s3 is quite strong...

[@Dimaaasuu]

40 pulls in i got 2 ash, 1 frost and 1 blitz

[@BirdBoxAdobo]

I mean the only good thing is their base perks But I rarely use the control center. Not pulling

[@ketsura3618]

its not that special anymore, if u use Hibiscus, Kroos and Lava Alters, they do the same thing, you only have to include more 2 alters that dont have a morale penalty to be true infinite, but even if u include one, like let's say Yato, it's still fine, since the only morale consumed is the the penalty one, so u can even treat the ONE rotated operator as part of your regular rotation. In 243 it even fits very well because I always leave with a SINGLE spot left to put someone extra.

[@azukipl9178]

fast redeploy module ash when

[@PlatinumKrown]

I still rolled her for collection sake, and got a Surtr dupe on the way. I likely won't worry about modules or masteries though.

[@polardon3161]

Okay, actualy good analysis video that i can mostly agree with. Mostly because exia in terms of viability is in almost same wheelchair as ash and archetto, due to the fact that guards simply exist