Why North Korea Is so Poor (Hint: It’s Not The Dictatorship)

North Korea is one of the poorest places on Earth. But the country isn't poor just because of its dictatorship. Here's why.
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[@elucidator1277]

So basically, fuck communism/marxism? Agreed.

[@russianbot4418]

But but but, everyone wont be equal... AT THE BOTTOM then.

[@alvinbonny1562]

As the fat electrician Said "Communism Sucks and will always sucks"

[@fanOfMinecraft-UAs_channel]

​@@russianbot4418As somebody said, communism wanted to make everyone equally rich, but actually it made everyone equally* poor *Equally is said a bit loosely here

[@OscarSchneegans]

3... 2... 1.... BuT tHaT wAsN't REAL MaRxIsM / CoMmUnIsM / SoCiALiSm!

[@Commissar_4735]

no

[@Herzankerkreuz67]

World Economic Forum's slogan: You will own nothing and be happy.........seems even more evil after this video ( not that I haven't known this before) The most interesting thing is though that it says: YOU will own nothing, not WE will own nothing. Good old Klaus Schwab seems to have figured it all out........

[@bills5009]

That's an excellent point on top of this video. Well done!

[@josephryan9230]

"Imagine a place where your hard work never truly belongs to you, where every seed planted and every idea conceived is claimed by the state." Sounds like California to me . . .

[@josephryan9230]

@G.M-cs7fu Just give them time. The one-party state that's CA (and the other solid blue states) are well on their way there. If you don't believe me, talk to one of the tens of thousands who leave CA every year for a red state.

[@josephryan9230]

@G.M-cs7fu San Francisco was once one of the most beautiful cities in the world. It has been turned into a crime-filled, outdoor homeless shelter, and the city's residents are fleeing. If you believe that this is good governance, so be it.

[@alcrisjohnesquierdo7728]

Wait till you experienced capitalism 💀

[@sangmoon2464]

North Korea believed in complete self sufficiency, and they pretty much dissuaded foreign investment. Even when getting aid from China, China only gives enough to ensure North Korea stays alive as a buffer zone between China and the US sphere of influence. South Korea benefited from foreign investment especially from the USA, the biggest economy in the world. Even under dictatorship, South Korea understood how important foreign investment was to its growth.

[@uncaboat2399]

This doesn't detract from the point that it was property rights that allowed them to accept the foreign aid and do great things with it. The US sends foreign aid all over the world. How many recipients of that aid have an economy as strong as South Korea?

[@alexmintz7786]

"Dissuaded"? What lunatic would invest in a country that forbids private property rights? Would you?

[@uncaboat2399]

@@alexmintz7786 Foreign Aid is not "investment." And I don't think we have time to describe all the lunatics running things in the US these days.

[@alexmintz7786]

@@uncaboat2399 (1) show me any country that was helped by foreign aid. Its main purpose is to be perennial and keep the UN bureaucrats' jobs. (2) judge every tree by its fruits. The fruits of the USA are obvious: the best country in the world. the fruits of N.Korea are obvious as well, at least to me.

[@uncaboat2399]

@@alexmintz7786 I am willing to concede that the _original intent_ behind foreign aid was supposed to be beneficial to the recipients. But you know what they say about the Road to Hell.

[@evanrybak7439]

It’s not just because it’s a dictatorship. It’s because said dictatorship refuses to let people not be poor

[@excelente81]

wrong

[@kenlompart9905]

You completely left out the fact that NK was better off than SK for decades because it was heavily supported by the USSR, after the fall of communism is when NK along with Cuba really suffered and never recovered. Without the help it gets from China which is only a fraction of what the USSR gave them NK would be even worse off.

[@shauncameron8390]

Exactly.

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

Not just the USSR but China. Both China and the USSR provided majority of the aid to North Korea.

[@kenlompart9905]

@@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz China still gives them aid but not nearly enough to support the entire country, without Russia they've suffered greatly.

[@user-tq3ud9zi7w]

"You will own nothing and be happy"....Klaus Schwab.

[@THall-vi8cp]

I'm beginning to believe that dude looks to North Korea as a model economy.

[@ulflyng4072]

Yup

[@uncaboat2399]

@@THall-vi8cp It is entirely possible that he believes in the _system_ that NK is using, but blames the poverty on their not doing it _correctly._ The fact that the system itself is fundamentally wrong has probably never entered his head.

[@THall-vi8cp]

@uncaboat2399 I can see it now. "That wasn't a _REAL_ dictatorship! This time, we'll do it right!"

[@sizzler2462]

Well Schwab was half right

[@Segadeth003]

In other words, communism. It's always communism

[@UnexpectedWonder]

This isn't about Communism.

[@vanillaonlyxd6767]

@@UnexpectedWonder Who under Communism, has property rights? That's right! No one. Hm... seems like it's always communism.

[@AdmiralYamamoto-ph2jd]

@@UnexpectedWonderexcept it is, North Korea is total communism, China and Vietnam have been capitalized

[@mustang607]

Dictatorship is a symptom of something worse.

[@russianbot4418]

Appathay and cow ard ice of the general populace?

[@longWriter]

@@russianbot4418 Is "cowardice" a censored word on youtube these days? I'm surprised they'd pick _that_ word to censor...

[@russianbot4418]

@@longWriterDepends on who you are. For me it is more often than not. Words/phrases, post length, who I call out for obvious lies.

[@Anti-CornLawLeague]

Watch A Taxi Driver (2017) if you want a good film about South Korea’s dictatorship. Set during the Gwanju Uprising in 1980.

[@stevenhersom8992]

I was stationed@ K-16 at the time. White Horse Division and the riot police were not gentle! People do bounce when thrown from buildings, like at seoul university

[@nicolaasfourie]

The most prosperous Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore all have some things in common; property rights, rule of law, freedom of speech, and democracy. The more of these things in place usually leads to more prosperity. There are obviously some Asian countries that have none of these things but they just have a hell of a lot of oil and a small population.

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

Singapore does not have freedom of speech or democracy but I do agree, they have property rights and rule of law. What all the countries mention also have however is a good culture and good work ethic. Also all of these countries were ruled by dictators with a brain(ie they did not implement communism and allowed markets)

[@Tronathon242]

The thing people seem to miss about 1984 is that the Party makes Airstrip One an impoverished mess on purpose. North Korea's regime is the way it is simply because of its ideology.

[@rishitsoneja307]

george orwell was literally a colonial cop... ur reading propoganda

[@vinstatic3937]

Bold of you to assume North Korea isn't doing it in purpose as well

[@lifebyathousandwords4686]

While South Korea experienced a Christian revival starting in the 70s, and people came to know Jesus all across the country, only the underground church exists in the North. Throughout history, it was demonstrated that "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" and apparently, a foundation of prosperity.

[@excelente81]

lol... funny.

[@c.galindo9639]

Makes sense, since China is on the same level as North Korea but even the people there can have some innovation benefit them in their labor, although very little it’s just enough for then to want to thrive

[@aredhaired]

What should we do with that convention club that is promoting "you own nothing and will be happy"

[@alexmintz7786]

Spot on! Private property is the basis of any and all prosperity, and vice versa.

[@omeletaX]

You just proved that dictatorship is the reason north korea is poor. In communism the state controls property but to a certain extent; in the original proposal of the communist system by karl marx (which lenin and trotsky intended to implement) the state would largely control major things like land, food, water, services, resources, tools, etc meanwhile to a personal level ownership did exist in communism. Furthermore in the initial communist system; although the state controlled these things it was also meant to be their responsibility to be able to provide to all their people but you don't see that happening in north korea. The government is not providing the people with their control over the property as they should like communism meant it to be and they don't use the property to industrialize and make exports either, the Kim family instead uses it all for their own selfish desires, and they also control property down to a individual level when they shouldn't so really the radical totalitarian regime is to blame. Most communist countries that have existed did this exact same thing with a strict dictatorship exaggerating their control beyond how communism meant it which is why they ultimately failed.

[@citrosoda5370]

Title: It's not the dictatorship. Video: It's the dictatorship.

[@mustang607]

James Lindsay agrees, and has a few videos warning people, detailing the why, how, who, etc.

[@douglastassell4070]

Did anyone mention sanctions in there as well?

[@shauncameron8390]

North Korea is self-reliant, isn't it?

[@billbouzalas5720]

Thank you Nick. The world thanks you!

[@BAAWAKnight]

Governments, by their nature as coercive, expropriating, territorial monopolies, do not respect property rights.

[@douglachman7330]

Excellent perspective on the historical facts involved.

[@freesk8]

Well done. Thanks! :)

[@ryoukwjdbwopqmqpzl73819]

You need good relations with the west

[@1wun1]

One can't piss off their best customers and get away with it

[@jayfloramusic]

The real reason starts at 2:18

[@mb90821]

Efficient capitalism needs: 1) freedom (especially free flow of capital and freedom of movement) 2) a fair justice system (total separation of the state, the judiciary, the religion, and the money) 3) respect of private property (including respect of other people's physical integrity) 4) decentralization, fair competition, and free market (price flexibility --> dismantlement of monopolies and oligopolies) 5) Democracy (in order to kick the socialists and other corrupt politicians out) 6) Low tax because the best government will always be the creative individual, the family, and the innovative small business. They cannot make unsustainable deficits for long. EDIT: 7) Low regulation, and decent enforcement of the law.

[@russianbot4418]

American conservatives: WOW! Someone should stand up and fight for that in our country!

[@sonnypruitt6639]

8) Trump 2024

[@russianbot4418]

@@KurtFrederiksen And who exactly pays for all of that?

[@mikitz]

@@KurtFrederiksen I wouldn't be so sure if all that is needed, but trust between citizens is absolutely the prerequisite for everything positive. No trust equals tons of corruption and so forth.

[@marcusmoonstein242]

Good list. I would just add that for any social system (including a capitalist one) to endure you also need some degree of social mobility. It needs to be clear that every citizen will have an opportunity to live their best life if they're prepared to work for it. Any system will collapse if the majority of citizens believe the system isn't working for them. The best way to ensure social mobility is to tax those citizens who have the most money and to use that cash to finance welfare and education for the poorer citizens. This will simultaneously reduce inequality and allow the government to truthfully claim that everyone will get an opportunity.

[@justinvanburen8259]

Wow, never realized that!! Thank you!!

[@sharkchaos5160]

Great video.

[@christianheiens]

Love the takes from Tankies in the comments. I love how communism is the best system that has ever existed just so long as it's arch-enemy never boycotts or sanctions them. It's kind of weird that such a great system becomes a hellhole without its mortal enemy to trade with.

[@alexanderpushkin9160]

And what about sanctions?

[@selohcin]

Yeah, he totally left that out. It was a really slimy, dishonest move.

[@THall-vi8cp]

What about them? Serious question.

[@oliverroedel1111]

comunist bs argument

[@zurdddtk3025]

What? Did you really expect a honest western propaganda outlet video?

[@surfboy344]

What about using the country's resources for improving its economic development? Why the huge military that DPRK doesn't need? Why the missiles and nuclear weapons that DPRK doesn't need? How many people could be fed for the cost of one of those missiles?

[@longWriter]

I'm glad for a more nuanced take on the economic repercussions, both of systems of government _and_ their specific policies.

[@3mmdm32]

The most “efficient and best” form of government is “The Benevolent Dictatorship”. The issue there is they are rarely, if ever, Benevolent. The lack of property rights is a basic tenant for killing or preventing freedom.

[@im_not_meg.]

i was wondering why you didnt upload wednesday

[@user-lh8ct7zi7p]

North Korea trades with Russia all the time. They give Russia, workers and Russia gives them food and fuel. Russia also will use their beach resorts for their wealthy. North Korea maintains them just for Russian and Chinese tourists. Kind of like when we go to Central American countries for cheap vacations in good weather environments, at resorts run by the drug cartels and we bring in migrant workers to work our fields.

[@onlywei]

Property rights for sure. But also I think the lack of trading with the rest of the world is another huge reason for poverty.

[@rishitsoneja307]

the thing u missed while comparing between north and south korea is the fact that the south had money pumped in by the us while the north was placed under heavy sanctions strangling its economy

[@lintz_lin]

Good point, but I would say that the economic policies and the people’s attitude of SK formed a basis for the economic miracle to happen. Without this foundation, the money the West gave would be gone in no time with nothing achieved.

[@uncaboat2399]

@@lintz_lin It's not a good point. The US sends foreign aid all over the world. There are also places where the US _does not_ send foreign aid. Of all the places that receive US foreign aid, why does South Korea enjoy a prosperous growing economy? And so many others remain as impoverished as ever? Why are so many places that have _never_ received US foreign aid doing so well? An interesting corollary, 95% of people who win million dollar lottery prizes are just as poor or _worse off_ in as little as 5 years after winning. It's not the money that creates prosperity, it's what you do with it.

[@lintz_lin]

@@uncaboat2399What you said just confirmed what I said. Read the rest of my comment. The foundation of SK's economic miracle is still the economic policies implemented and the people's hard working attitude (like what the video says). The money the USA poured in simply stimulated that process, and yes, if the Koreans didn't have the right mindset, they mght very well stayed poor. I said Rishit Soneja made a good point since s/he pointed out another factor enabling SK's economic miracle. It's not the most critical one, but it's good that someone mentions it.

[@SupremeGreatGrandmaster]

Did the Soviet Union and China place sanctions on North Korea? Sanctions made no difference.

[@surfboy344]

So the Russians and Chinese didn't subsidize North Korea all through the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s!?!? Oh, wait a minute...actually, they did.

[@scottttym]

Property rights mean nothing without a gun to protect it.

[@GCarty80]

The common belief among American conservatives that private gun ownership is a guarantor of rights is refuted by Saddam Hussein's Iraq, which had amongst the highest gun ownership rates in the world. An ordinary person with a gun has no chance against an amoral sociopath with a gun, unless they've first done months of intensive training (like that of army recruits) designed to stamp out their inhibitions against killing, which means that all a tyrant like Saddam has to do to rule his country with an iron fist, is to get all the amoral sociopaths on his side.

[@Tjalve70]

In most democratic countries, we have property rights. And we don't have the gun culture that USA has. So no, you're very wrong about that one.

[@joanl.7543]

@@Tjalve70 Many Western countries do not have adequate rights for the people. Property rights are critical, but there are also speech and conscience rights that are being blatantly violated in Europe and Canada right now.

[@Tjalve70]

@@joanl.7543 In Canada and SOME countries in Europe. At least in UK. I don't know about others. Yes, you do have a point. But then, those rights are being violated in USA as well. Only maybe not quite so blatantly. And I can promise you one thing: Gun ownership is NOT the key factor here.

[@AtarahDerek]

Neither do the rights to life and liberty. A right that can be taken away at any time is not a right. To have rights, you must have the right and means to defend your rights.

[@neznaniludak5114]

i luv dis, gyy explained everything in less then 4 min, respect bro

[@robertshank8412]

In Canada, this is the number one problem with our indigenous communities. The Indian Act (yes. It's really called that) allows Indian bands to govern themselves. The result has been that the Chiefs control the money and individuals who are not allowed to own property and do not have access to greater fortune are condemned to lives of hopelessness and despair which often leads to suicide. Being allowed to own property would help fix that.

[@davidvavra9113]

Atlas Shrugged, the alternative ending

[@CARL_093]

good point

[@neilsbruno9842]

If President Kim, (who studied at Oxford University), could only just concentrate his time, money and energy on his 'people' and the economy and not focus on building rockets, North Korea, would be a very wealthy country.

[@avus-kw2f213]

What Kim are you talking about ?

[@Heinskitz]

TLDR: it's because Communism (no free market) and its bedfellow, authoritarialism (dictatorship). I read some time ago that much of North Korea's former prosperity was owed largely to the support from their communist neighbour, the Soviet Union. North Korea's land is mostly infertile and/or overworked, thus much of the support they'd received had been in the form of food supplies. When the Soviet Union collapsed, so did the support, culminating in the "North Korean Famine" in the mid 90's, which is estimated to have killed upward of 3.5 million people.

[@oliverroedel1111]

israel produces fruits and milk in the desert!

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

@@oliverroedel1111 Palestine is not a dessert and much of it was lush.

[@Komrad_Cybersyn]

Well, loosing 90% of its foreign trade in one day, then being subject to sanctions and being internationaly isolated (being refused entry into the WTO and FMI and others) when offering to liberalise, then being subjected to oil embargo (when the farmlands are few and massively mechanised), certainly didn't helped. Furthermore, until the 80's, the North was richer than the south and calory intaking higher. The dangerous fall of the standard of living in the north began when the conservative faction of the cpus was ousted by the revisionists like Gorbatchev then in 1991 when the Ussr was dissolved (and instantly cut all its trade with the dprk).

[@mk14m0]

Yes, the Soviet Union subsidized North Korea, a lot. But the reality is that the nation was dirt poor then, too. It just got lots of handouts in order to support it as a geopolitical piece on the Soviet chessboard. North Korean productivity was dismal when the Soviets were supporting it, and remains dismal now. As for how the DPRK used to be richer than the ROK, whose numbers are you trusting? The DPRK's? The USSR's?

[@Komrad_Cybersyn]

@@mk14m0 Indeed the dprk obtained several handouts by China and the Ussr for its military and agriculture sector, given that the wealthier part of the country for agriculture was traditionnaly in the south. Furthermore, the intervention of the USA in the korean civil war was hideous for the korean people and economy, the Jerusalem of the East (as was called Pyongyang, given its architectural and patrimonial wealth in the form of its 100 and some more chimurches) was bombed to the ground, as all cities on the north (destroyed at 70% on average) by the us air force. Furthermore, the US also bombed near the end of the war the yalu dam to cripple the energy production of the north (even though it was the major source of all the peninsula), one of the few projects of colonial japan which profited the locals. At the end of the war the dprk was a ruined state and yet, despite the disparity in international help (where the soviets brought 1 dollar the US brought a hundred), the north rebuilt faster and better than the south. The south began to be economically relevant only near the 80's through nationalisation of the banking sector and handing key industries to the state and then key oligarch families (nowadays Samsung , Hypedai....) and inducing the developpment of such entreprises through state planning (through credits, subsides and such to push in a particular direction investments). As for the wealth of the dprk, i take the calory intake of the people. Fore until 1980-1990, the people of the north received a calory intake superior to thoose in the south, which was translated by difference in heigh between people.

[@angelalewis3645]

Right on

[@broark88]

Property Rights. It just so happens that outlawing property norms is such a massive imposition, it requires totalitarian dictatorship, like outlawing language.

[@loc4725]

It's because NK routinely suppresses the formation of a middle class. The existence of a middle class tends to be the nucleation point for a freer and more representative society, and is probably why for example China is trying to disassemble that in Hong Kong.

[@docsavage8640]

Hint: it's 100% because of Communism

[@EgoisticAxis606v2]

Doesn’t mention sanctions also North Korea isnt communist because it isn’t a stateless classless moneyless society. North Korea follows the ideology of juche

[@manchu9inf]

And the north was propped up by the Soviet Union, until that collapsed

[@truthgiver8286]

A dictatorship can be the best form of government if you have a good leader who want's to do what is best for his people. It is the worst kind if the leader does not care about his people and thinks they are just there to serve his needs.

[@majormeteor]

This is true but the problem with a dictatorship is that eventually, you will get a tyrannical dictator that replaces the benevolent one.

[@truthgiver8286]

@@majormeteor This is usually the case.

[@shauncameron8390]

@@majormeteor Or that supposedly benevolent dictator overstays his/her welcome.

[@Theggman83]

What about all the sanctions, im pretty sure that wouldnt help. If someone reached into my bank account and lovked up half my funds, id be poor too... You mentioned something that's often overlooked...

[@uncaboat2399]

All they need to do is stop threatening violence, and the sanctions will go away. Nobody _wants_ NK to be poor. But nobody wants NK to shoot missiles at them either.

[@oliverroedel1111]

like the north corean government does with the poeple? sanctions is a comunist argument to culprid anybody but theyr demoncracies systems

[@vinstatic3937]

This isn't as overlooked as the fact that despite the government having very little resources, they still go to things like parades, huge statues and other ideological crap instead of things like farm equipment from China or something.

[@Theggman83]

@@vinstatic3937 sounds like the US. Spending mass amounts on the military and foreign intervention while their citizens are crushed by inflation... Honestly, when was the last time you talked to a farmer about their bottom line?

[@user-wj7bu9zv7i]

They are under sanctions since the communist monarchy started, and they were poor but functional throughout their entire history. Sanctions means nothing when the two biggest superpowers share a land border with you, and prop you up. They just have a failed system, and while the USSR collapsed under its weight, and China reformed it heavily, NK stays the same.

[@sbag11]

Property rights are absolutely fundamental to human flourishing. Property taxes must be abolished!!!

[@anthonymorris5084]

Hint, it *is* the dictatorship.

[@mission3479]

extremely heavy economic sanctions

[@Al.Kour.00]

The root of everything is property rights. Including rights on himself.

[@Tjalve70]

So basically what you're saying, is that Communism in itself, even GENUINE Communism (for those who feel that no country has ever been genuinely Communist), will cause a country to be poor. Basically because it stifles people's willingness to work hard to achieve something. And if people don't work hard to achieve something, they will remain poor. This is a very simple argument that it should be easy to present to anyone who is trying to argue that Capitalism is bad, and that Communism is good.

[@EgoisticAxis606v2]

Can you give any proof that communism( I think you mean socialism because communism was never implemented) makes people Lazy

[@Prororo]

Anyone gonna tell him about the Korean War?

[@uncaboat2399]

I fail to see the relevance of that event. I.e., everything he is talking about is *after* the war. *Before* the war, there is no such thing as North and South.

[@Prororo]

@@uncaboat2399 “North Korea started as more developed than South Korea” Meanwhile 85% of north Korea’s buildings being destroyed by the carpet bombing campaign

[@uncaboat2399]

@@Prororo Still misses the point. Japan and Germany were pretty much flattened in the last wars, but managed to prosper later.

[@uncaboat2399]

@@Prororo Meanwhile, I doubt that the level of destruction in NK was any worse than what happened in Japan and Germany, both of which today have thriving, prosperous economies, while NK still enjoys the wonders of pre-feudal starvation.

[@cafepablo1968]

This same idea was shown to be the problem between poor and middle class American Indian reservations too.

[@stuartdavis798]

One word - Communism

[@Commissar_4735]

same as cuba : sanctions , why? because the western ruling class want a regime change in both cuba and north korea so they can declare the full capitulation of socialism , they also want to overthrow the chinese government with sanctions on microchips and propaganda (btw north korea living standards is higher than 70% of capitalist countries, but a bourgeois propagandist say that a nuclear power like Dprk is "so poor" unlike successful capitalist countries like bangladesh xd )

[@luke_rr4474]

Is that the commie excuse these days still. Blame others for all the suffering and never be accountable for the deaths and poverty that communism creates.

[@billmaster1157]

Cuba, Venezuala and North Korea are free to trade with any other country in the world, including Europe, Canada, Russia, other South American or Asian countries, etc. There is really no point of causation between US sanctions and poverty, and all down to the ideas of the political landscape and the cultural practices. There is literally no reason any of these countries have to be poor, but it has nothing to do with the States. Communism and socialism are pretty dead, there is no need to actually resist it anymore, and it was the free exchange of ideas that killed these ideologies, and primarily only exist within the echo chambers of academia of the countries mentioned above.

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

Iran also is sanctioned by the US but they are thriving more than Cuba or North Korea as Iran respects the right to property.

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

@@billmaster1157 Outside of BRICS, majority of the largest economies are apart of NATO and EU and have sanctioned these countries for a long time. Sanctions take a long time to recover from.

[@Commissar_4735]

@@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz in 2015, the United States agreed to cancel most of the U.S. sanctions against Iran , and iran still a part of the world bank so they can sell their oil and all of those sanctions on iran are just a ban on military import north korea and cuba cant even get medicine or baby milk in better word north korea and cuba are under an economic embargo which is worse than normal sanctions like the ones on iran or china

[@buckskin64]

They vote DEMOCRAT!!!!

[@adamanhavengarde]

if the reason is property rights, isn't it technically also dictatorship. SK might have started as authoritarian officially but recognizing property rights is counter that claim. so technically, its the shedding of dictatorship still

[@shermanthebear963]

"It is not the massive amounts of US and Japanese aid, it was capitalism"

[@uncaboat2399]

The US sends foreign aid all over the world. How many recipients have an economy as strong as South Korea?

[@kenhart5259]

Yeah that's pretty much what he said.

[@Nmdixon-cu7vm]

Is it me, or did you just debunk yourself with your own video? You went from the title “it’s not dictatorship” to South Korea went to a republic of property rights and North Korea is still poor because of dictatorship of owning all rights and production. So a dictatorship?

[@wjdyr6261]

He's contrasting the start of a dictatorship between North and South. Why did S Korea flourish while N Korea didn't? Property rights

[@Nmdixon-cu7vm]

@@wjdyr6261it’s the other way around. He’s stating why North Korea is poorer. Honestly the South Korean property rights etc is irrelevant. North Korea is poor due to dictatorship as he stated.

[@wjdyr6261]

@Nmdixon-cu7vm he didn't contradict himself. Not only is it because of bad governing by a dictator but it's also because property rights don't exist. South Korea was a dictatorship but also had property rights

[@Michael-jx9bh]

Funnily enough the property rights issue is also true for some African countries & Russia. It seems you not only need property rights for a thriving economy those rights must also be respected & enforced by the government. Whatever kind of government it happens to be.

[@triclopsgamer5934]

If you are watching this in the U.S. you don't need to go all the way to North Korea to see this. Just look at any Native American reservation.

[@1495978707]

3:25 I don't think you were direct enough here. The point is that marxists blame poverty on everything but marxist policies. In the case of north korea, they'll blame it on the dictatorship. This case study show that that is bunk. Dictatorship is bad, but marxism has caused problems every single time it's been pursued, and we need to be unambiguous about that

[@zevfarkas5120]

The tragedy of the commons.

[@USStateOfSiberiaGHWBush1992]

Korea should had split east to west, so that each would have their own direct access by land, to the rest of Asia without one crossing through the other.

[@louislebrun1790]

Gteat reflexion, property right are an obvious fact that make the difference between poverty and high standard of living much more important than democracy.... Speaking of the us and much of occident right now I would like you to highlight if there is also a difference in currency stability between the north and south corea. Powels temptation to moved the missed target of 2% inflation to 3% is scary at best.

[@AtarahDerek]

Hint: Yes it is.

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

It's not property rights. One country is isolated from the global economy one is not

[@avus-kw2f213]

0:54 it was

[@makingmoneywithmj7752]

Also. No country wants to do business with them.

[@thomastessier4529]

I certainly am not rich but would like to be able to help some of these poor people in some way. Maybe God will open the door for me.

[@mayharmon6948]

That's a really nice thought, but under Communism you probably won't get that chance. They're not going to let in foreign organizations to help the people.

[@uncaboat2399]

Maybe you can help some of them leave.

[@BillHimmel]

Well argued! But In the end, it is democracy that guarantees rule of law and thus property rights!

[@joshuahogan3475]

Democracy does not guarantee the rule of law. Look at most Western Democracies and the break down of rights, including in the United States. Culture ensures the rule of law and if a people allow their culture to be undermined to the point Western Civilization has them the very democracies that they cherish can vote away rule of law, rights, and freedoms within a single generation. It has happened before in history several times. The Ancient Greeks even believed it to be part of an inevitable cycle of civilization.

[@russianbot4418]

Not when the majority vote to take everything from the minority because they can.

[@uncaboat2399]

Sorry, I beg to differ, and the US is a prime example. We are a democracy (a republic actually, but why quibble) and we have been slowly chipping away at property rights for decades. I'm not sure if there is anything that truly _guarantees_ rule of law and property rights, other than a well educated and active populace that won't compromise their rights for the illusion of security.

[@BillHimmel]

@@uncaboat2399 The US is not healthy democracy! Gerrymandering has taken almost all competition out of the party system!

[@Cacowninja]

@@uncaboat2399 Ever heard of anarcho capitalism? There's your answer.

[@frodej6640]

Maybe South Korea was better than North Korea. But compare with Japan and you see a light year difference. 1961 Japan was like 25 times bigger. Dictatorship is bad. You can also look at Chile which also implemented some economic reforms that have made Chile a much better country today compared with its neighbours, but when it was a dictatorship is was far behind most free countries. Capitalism isn't a black and white thing. It is a variable effect. The more right you get capitalism, the more wealth for everybody you get.

[@oliverroedel1111]

chile destroyed himself voting left. like venezuela, argentina and after a election fraud brasil

[@marina1463]

I come frome the country where communism were build 100 years ago. The history of my family is affected by it. While you hear that communnism is about sharing, in fact it is about taking away, declaring you an anemy of your nation and sending you to lager. That happend to my grandgrandparents. They were not rich, they had a house and a field. It was taken away, grandgrandparents were sent to the lager, 4 children became homeless and people in the village hid them in fear that someone would get to know that they help the children of the "enemy". Afterwords come kolhosps (kollektive farming), where my grandmother worked without getting sellary for decades. Communism was build as slavery. Last 15 years of Soviet Unian were much better than that, free medicine, free education. So my parents praised it. My grandmother hated Sovjets her whole life. Communism is presented as sharing, it is implemented as taking away. And one more thing: way of thinking is also about taking away, abou shame and guilt for trying to do your own business, no boundaries in communication...

[@krishnarao3740]

The sad thing North Korea should technically be richer than the south cause the north is more resource rich

[@danielschoch9604]

Is it not the lack of markets instead of property rights which makes North Korea poor? Look how Vietnam has improved when it switched to market socialism. We don't see boat people again. "Imagine a world where your hard work really never belongs to you" holds for Socialism, Capitalism and Feudalism likewise.

[@keith3970]

And now....let's hear from the experts.

[@wtkh]

Socialist DPRK (North Korea) I have been to North Korea. There are blue skies and white clouds, and people live and work in peace and contentment. Free housing, free medical care, free education. Half a day of school and half a day of extracurricular activities. Before I went there, I wrote seven articles about North Korea in English, which were published in China Daily. After returning from a trip to North Korea, I wrote about my impressions of North Korea in Chinese. I once publicly said in class that young people in the United States and Europe should go to North Korea and see it before expressing their opinions. Last year I taught during Semester at Sea with students from all over the world. A Jewish student asked me what I thought of North Korea. I said North Korea was very good. He said then why don't you go to North Korea. I said I went. He said he was going to live there for a long time. I said you are being reckless. Can I, you, or him go wherever we want in this world? Do you accept foreign immigrants in Israel? Does the United States accept immigrants? Does China accept immigrants? Once I was discussing North Korea with a Hong Kong professor. He said that there is a way to tell whether North Korea is good or not, and that is to open the country and see if the North Koreans leave. I said no problem. But we need to truthfully tell the people the truth about the United States and Hong Kong, let them know what will happen after leaving the motherland, and then let the North Korean people choose. When I was in North Korea, a Chinese second-generation red generation asked a North Korean why they didn't learn from China and also reform and open up. The North Korean's answer was very calm. He said that the North Korean government and people openly discussed what was happening in China and the Soviet Union. They knew about the inequality of wealth in China, the polarization and environmental pollution in the former Soviet Union. Their government and people jointly decided to adhere to the path of common prosperity. Don’t take the evil path of capitalism. Most of those who say bad things about North Korea are those with vested interests who have become corrupt officials. The vast majority of the people will not choose which path. Xi Jinping has actually rejected Deng Xiaoping's line, but he has not said so publicly. Dongping Jan 5, 2024

[@maplemiles3381]

But why do North Koreans flee the country and never return I even found a defector exposing a lot shady stuff they do in the military and how awful their living conditions are. "No this is all a lie and nothing but western propaganda. South Korea is a American puppet and North Korea has every right to fire missles to South Korea since North Koreans want piece and South Korea is ruthless"

[@user-ir1pw4sf3v]

Simple answer: South Korea is prospering and triving because is NOT govern by malevolent dictartship and totalitharian leadership as north korea is!

[@Theggman83]

Meanwhile the South has a birthrate crisis...

[@russianbot4418]

@@Theggman83 And that has what to do with the topic in play?

[@Theggman83]

@@russianbot4418 ... Prosperity was brought up... And that's not an appropriate description when their population is collapsing... Der....

[@User-jr7vf]

I see that you don't care about other possibilities, instead sticking to the traditional "because it is a dictatorship" bull**** that the video tries to disprove.

[@russianbot4418]

@@Theggman83 And?

[@sarinaglover3712]

All dictatorship means is that you have one ruler who's just that's just the guy or gal now if that guy or gal is actually doing well for the people that's fine but unfortunately most dictatorships are either socialist or communist in origin it's the communism and the socialism that does not work now if you had a dictator that believed in free market kind of like that Argentinian president or president Trump you'd actually see them prosper but when you have an individual using Socialism or communism to consolidate power and to make them the most powerful individual when in actuality they're really not that's when you start seeing the problems for example wasn't it Poland or one of those type of countries where it used to be communistic but they went back to free market capitalism I think the last straw for them was when certain things that the government was providing stopped being provided because the leader wanted a special mansion made for them that's when the population woke up and realized what it was really about

[@avus-kw2f213]

2:16 in North Korea houses are free so add 0$ to the GDP unlike South Korea where houses are expensive And there is a current building program which is rapidly building modern houses for Pyongyang enough to fit 10% of the population by my estimate As for the rest of the country there are building projects going on but it’s not as easy to estimate North Korea is currently undergoing a economic miracle considering how cut off from the global economy it is If North Korea was not giving away free homes and they charged a low $100,000 for every flat that would add $1 billion to the GDP just in Pyongyang alone every year

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

Trade is rhe lifeblood of a country and almost no one is trading with north Korea

[@shauncameron8390]

North Korea doesn't produce much worth trading. And like Cuba, North Korea has a history of not paying back whatever was loaned to them.

[@readynowforever3676]

Splendid succinct argument about the inexorable salubrious effects of Capitalism and Representative government.

[@r.bond.006.9]

Someone should tell this to Canada...

[@daltonroberts8692]

As long as imminent domain exists in the US, individual property rights will be trampled.

[@avus-kw2f213]

2:55 Old image

[@RussianOccupier190]

I disagree with last part when you said that dictatorship are not fine even if you have property rights in my opinion dictatorship that respects the right of the people to own property is a good dictatorship.

[@Tjalve70]

They are only good dictatorships when compared to other dictatorships. That doesn't make them GOOD.

[@bratwurstmitbiryani]

Not really. Only democracies can allow true freedom. Only when speech, means of existence, thoughts, freedom to choose way of life in short everything is free can a person truly prosper. Dictators usually don’t allow freedom of speech and thought. This is a huge blow to human happiness.

[@RussianOccupier190]

@@bratwurstmitbiryani humans can be happy without being able to talk about their political opinions in public as long as the government does a good job at handling the economy no problem.

[@RussianOccupier190]

@@bratwurstmitbiryani also democracy and freedom of speech and thought is the reason why the west is so degenerate ,back in the day when we were ruled by kings and emperors societies were way less degenerate. Then came the enlightenment with that came the sexual revolution and a lot of other shit that is ruining society.WE NEED TO BRING AUTHORITARIANISM BACK.

[@Tjalve70]

@@RussianOccupier190 Sure. People can happy when they live as slaves. But that doesn't mean slavery is good.

[@moledaddy]

You repeated the question for 2/3rds of the runtime of the video before getting to the answer

[@henryperez606]

What about East Germany and West Germany?

[@gringo3009]

FJB and the attempt to emulate this.

[@avus-kw2f213]

2:39 then capitalist south Also North Korea was completely destroyed during the Korean War

[@drrtfm]

Property rights are inherently limited by government, and dictatorships of any kind ultimately seize property.

[@avus-kw2f213]

3:07 you obviously haven’t read Kim Jong un’s books

[@michaeldemarco467]

Now we hear from our government in America the word "equity". Equal outcomes. It is being pushed by the World Economic Forum. It is Socialism. When you know you will all end up in the same place, why work to achieve?

[@marttoom5903]

t can also be expressed in one word, there is no need for a long minandering about different dictatorships. The reason is: socialism. Socialism will destroy even the richest country and eventually turn it into Haiti. If you don't react right away there in America, you too will have a long downward spiral into socialist hell.

[@ulflyng4072]

So much for "You'll own nothing and you'll be" ....but then why are our Masters and Lords working towards this well known fiasco? Depopulation? Hate towards the creation?