Why Nutrition Guidelines Need a Major Overhaul | Dr. Donald Layman

[@Isabelle.g6]

The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner.

[@jackiesmith-nq8in]

I eat ruminant meat and non-starchy vegetables. I don't worry about fat since doing that I have lost about 30% of my body weight Ten lbs of fat to go. I gained a little muscle strength. Hip, back, knee pain greatly reduced.

[@milofonbil]

I have stopped the doctor recommended DASH diet. I've gained weight and developed pre diabetes and NAFLD following those recommendations. I've changed to a diet based on ruminant meat and fatty fish with fiberous carb diet. I avoid processed food and seed oils. My blood work is looking much better except my LDL. Is the LDL scare really about selling statins?

[@beyondfitrd]

I love Dr. Layman's point about the Dietary Guidelines eventually needing to view (essential) amino acids like vitamins with their own specific requirements. That will quickly solve, or change, defining plant-based "protein equvalents". I see the saturated fat conundrum in a similar light. There are short-chain, medium-chain, and long-chain saturated fats. Lumping them all together, as if they all have the same physiological effects, has never had scientific underpinnings (as a growing body of research on full-fat dairy and reduced risk of diabetes has shown). Beyond that, of course, saturated fats have long been part of the human diet, whereas polyunsaturated seed oils are an invention of industry. Great episode; thank you!

[@maryroseback9058]

Perfectly said!

[@joerockhead7246]

always look forward to dr layman as a guest

[@evangold7307]

Dr Don Layman is a G!!

[@seattlegrrlie]

Whenever I say that I eat a lower carb diet, people always assume I mean keto or Atkins. On the daily, I get around 120-180g of carbs some is from fruits. I eat some grains, but keep the servings small. I'll up those carbs if I'm out hiking, but that's for immediate energy use during activity. All my friends eat way, way too much added carbs and sugar while thinking it's part of a "healthy diet"

[@skincraftorganicsllc8537]

Same with me - I eat about 95-110 carbs (from sweet potatoes, berries & small amount of oats) - everyone I know eats just as your friends - way too much refined carbs (pasta, bread, etc).

[@keto-rl2ce]

I’m still on my weight loss journey so high protein, low carb, healthy fat. - 70lbs to date & normalized A1c fr 9.3 to 4.4 following Dr Ted Naiman’s P:E Diet & Drs Lyons & Dr Layman recommendations for past 2 yrs! ❤

[@ManjiMachine]

Saying “lower carb diet” is implying you know where your carbs should be at in relation to staying at maintenance metabolically and body weight wise. If your weight is stable while eating said number of carbs and your blood glucose is stable thats not actually a “low carb diet” you are meeting your daily requirement to avoid dipping in a cortisol stress response to generate energy through gluconeogenesis due to low energy intake and to stay in homeostasis.

[@trishmarck7798]

Please sit down with the Campbells/Barnards etc who believe a while food plant based diet are the answer. We NEED this discussion!!

[@sabine8419]

Don't waste your time. They are irredeemable.

[@clararomero1004]

@@sabine8419😂😂😂😂

[@justin333eb]

What’s happening in the health industry is beyond alarming-it’s manipulation at its core. I urge everyone to read 'Health and Beauty Mastery' by Dr. Julian Bannett. It completely transformed how I approach my health!

[@FireOElijahMC]

I got it, truly a good book

[@chrissyyankee]

Link please!

[@Ashgutierr]

@@chrissyyankeejust Google it

[@ryno3888]

Have you read, Good Energy, by Casey and Calley Means!? 🤯

[@popaoomowmow]

​@@chrissyyankeeit's a book

[@avicenna1977]

I have come to appreciate the content and perspective Dr. Gabrielle Lyon brings to the table. As an outsider (of the US), I am surprised that more discussion on the health of the animals conventionally raised for food in the US is not a major point to consider. I am often gobsmacked at the poor health of the average American living in the outskirts of major cities, and I imagine this is an unnatural phenomenon that arises beyond just not moving enough and having access to a lot of food. This is becoming more common globally, but Americans are unique in the extent of metabolic disease that is evident. I scrutinize all dairy products when visiting the US to ensure that that production was hormone- and antibiotic- free. The animals themselves raised for food have diabetes - so what do you expect those that eat this meat to develop? So, before advising to eat meat freely - perhaps there ought to be some advice on the quality of the food one is recommended to ingest.

[@sabine8419]

Have a good look at industrially produced plant foods.😂😂😂😂😂

[@sabine8419]

Even those who are unable to exercise, paralyzed in wheelchairs, can get metabolically healthy and lose weight on a keto/carnivore diet. They also get rid of inflammation and ill health. Drastically reducing carbohydrates is always beneficial.

[@wvu500]

Unbelievably insightful and educational. TY for doing it. There is just too much misinformation and it is doing an injustice to human kind. The truth is this whole conversation and why myths continue is it is making lots of money for many people.

[@iansleith]

Wow, that's a lot to digest. As a male in my late 40s with a family history of heart disease. The ever changing information on nutrition feels like playing Russian roulette. I'm trying to dodge heart issues that might be brought on by personal food choices.

[@ScienceAppliedForGood]

The information isn't ever changing if you look at physiology textbooks they state the same things as Donald Layman mentioned. For example, that eating carbohydrate raises insulin hormone level in the blood. Insulin inhibits fat mobilization and promotes fat storage. This is known for decades now. I suggest to check this popular science book on human metabolism: "Understanding Human Metabolism" by Keith Frayn, Emeritus Professor of Human Metabolism at the University of Oxford.

[@StanDupp6371]

@@ScienceAppliedForGood Layman is not a centenarian with a proven long term track record in anything. High carb centenarians. 2010 study title: "Discovery of Novel Sources of Vitamin B12 in Traditional Korean Foods from Nutritional Surveys of Centenarians." These Korean centenarians consume a high carb diet with 87% of plant foods and 13% from animal foods. They have almost no access to synthetic vitamins, supplements or fortified foods. Centenarian men take in about 1700 calories per day and about 300 grams of carbs per day. These people are set in their ways they do not play games with diets or experiment with any type of money making fad diet.

[@ryno3888]

Excellent conversation. Great questions and great, thorough answers.

[@MsGrannyfrog]

Just listened on my morning walk. 69 YO postmenopausal victim of women's health study. Bordering on obesity, fighting osteopenia and working one on one with a personal trainer to help in all regards. Having upped protein goal to 125 grams / day carbs 125 /40 grams s pushing my limits on calories to lose weight. First objective is muscle and bone. Yes the fat is about total calories for me. I could set carbs lower but she says you do better with building muscle with adequate carbs (so still working on understanding that one)--I know Dr Layman often says 130 grams a day so a bit confused there if I even need that much. Years of vegetarian eating and knowing for a while that the only way I am going to get adequate protein is animal protein or processed plant proteins. It is a challenge when you get to be this age and don't need so many calories. Going with lean animal proteins vs processed plant proteins. Dr given go ahead to work with compounding pharmacist for bioidentical hormones. I don't have time to wait for all the studies and guidelines have let me down before. Glad I found Dr Layman and then you. Oddly many years ago there was an early 70s book called Diet for a small planet where (other than the protein levels recommended at the time) she was all about balancing the essential amino acids in proteins and she was widely panned for this. That said, with a degree in biochemistry, that morphed into another career field, I have full appreciation. Study area was lipid metabolism and so much that is coming out today was spot on wit with my undergraduate thesis director (though the metabolic roles of many of the lipids were still being fully developed). Love your podcast. My personal trainer who has a degree in exercise science is in line with your recommendations. The nutritionist at the doctors office is another story. How one gets a degree in nutrition and says leafy green vegetables are bad (oxalates) and beans are bad (phytates) has no idea of how to prep them and the nutritional roles they can play in terms, mainly, of vitamins and minerals. But whey isolate is a part of my daily life. My morning protein as well as post weight training. Love to use Cronometer though know even the RDAs are a stab in the dark as the food/fiber matrix all play roles in absorption of said nutrients etc.

[@MsGrannyfrog]

@@andyc7747 Our systems are very adaptable to survive on a wide range of diets. Humans are not and never has been carnivores with the exception of small populations who have genetically adapted to such a diet. In order to derive the benefit from such a diet, I would need to go low enough to induce ketosis. This is not a way of eating I can or want to sustain. So then, the question becomes adequacy if not primed for ketosis. Even good vegetables contain carbs, and valuable pre and pro biotics. I am on board that a healthy gut microbiome is essential. As I log in Cronometer I see how important these vegetables are, yes, even grains and legumes to a limited extent are to the fiber and micronutrient content of the diet. The challenge with age is us older folks need fewer calories and are less efficient than young folks at initiating muscle development and also with absorbing nutrients, or even getting enough.

[@scottpierce9195]

Such a shame that dietary guidelines are more about politics and dogma than they are about nutrition and the health of the public😢

[@keto-rl2ce]

Excited to hear this discussion! Always direct, highly informative & cutting edge! 🎉

[@theironforce3000]

Excellent conversation with some important , yet easy to digest topics. Thanks for clarifying the origins and difference between food pyramid and dietary guidelines/myplate. 👍

[@nadiacoffey2609]

I feel like I’ve been brainwashed my whole life, especially about eggs. I’ve only recently resumed eating eggs nearly every day. I was told years ago by a registered dietitian that eating two eggs a day is too much cholesterol and that a healthier option is oatmeal. Don’t get me wrong, I love oatmeal, but eggs are good for you and it’s wrong to tell someone to replace them with carbs.

[@perrysebastian6928]

Great stuff! Ben Bikmen and Don Layman need to get on the same video stream. That would be awesome 😁

[@HealthyAging-x1m]

"This video is great. Thank you for sharing!"

[@christaherron5759]

Wished there was discussion about including protein powders (whey or pea) and collagen to get amino acid goals to mitigate the fat and carb issue.

[@AkadiLife]

With the guidelines needing changes, where is the best source of food examples to plan meals?

[@StanDupp6371]

Follow the centenarians. High carb centenarians. 2010 study title: "Discovery of Novel Sources of Vitamin B12 in Traditional Korean Foods from Nutritional Surveys of Centenarians." These Korean centenarians consume a high carb diet with 87% of plant foods and 13% from animal foods. They have almost no access to synthetic vitamins, supplements or fortified foods. Centenarian men take in about 1700 calories per day and about 300 grams of carbs per day. These people are set in their ways they do not play games with diets or experiment with any type of money making fad diet.

[@jeaniecurry4512]

Except for that high level of maltodextrin I quit using lmnt

[@Rositasparks]

Try SaltT from keto chow

[@fitoverforty]

🤣 400 mg

[@kentong9514]

FDA kicks oat and white bread out of the dietary guidelines. For saturated fat, you should talk to Nina Telchoiz and Gary Taubes.

[@HSLSFirst]

Great information! The problem is not the guideline recommendations. Unfortunately, too many, if not, majority of people disregard the guideline and overeat in excess on junk food and UPF's and can easily get into caloric surplus. Guidelines will never incite people to take responsibility and to be accountable for their own body and health. The food industry just responds to the demand by making hyper palatable and calory dense food that people purchase. We are almost at a point, where the government has to step in and force the outcome by regulating the food industry to limit access to unhealthy junk food and UPF's to the people.

[@HSLSFirst]

@@andyc7747 You are right but, I don't believe that, even, the best nutrition guidelines will change how the general population feed in excess into caloric surplus. The food industry will always sell what people purchase and that is very palatable and calory dense food on which it is very easy to overfeed unless you are accountable for controlling quantities. Matter of fact, people who care about their health don’t even need nutrition guidelines. They feed on what works for their lifestyle. Is it a lack of educating people about nutriyion and lifestyle?

[@sabine8419]

The guidelines are low fat, bad fat, too high in carbs. This leads to disease. They are also lacking in healthy ruminant meats and fats.

[@coffeemachtspass]

There are two reason the USDA has minimized, but not eliminated ultra processed grains from its recommendations: 1. Without the fortification of flour with factory vitamins and minerals, the USDA diet would be even more hopelessly and obviously deficient, and 2. The USDA has always been tasked with contradictory chores: Provide advice to Americans on what to eat and Promote American agricultural products to sustain the farming economy.

[@bethscott9162]

Please be more specific in discussing the macronutrient “carbs”. I know YOU know, but honestly, the general public doesn’t know that fruits and vegetables are carbs too! Specifying “processed carbs” is only a minor course correction. We, as doctors and health coaches need to be more explicit so that the public we serve doesn’t continue to swing wildly with the fads, but is educated to make better and better choices based on what we share.☮️

[@andrea.givens]

Fantastic episode 🔥

[@Jimfly30]

First of all, would following the plate or pyramid help someone lose weight and stay healthy?

[@CS-06]

7:30

[@Jimfly30]

@ ty

[@sabine8419]

No😂😂😂

[@rossentownsend4936]

Advertising campaigns connected fruits and vegetables together like there one word and then bumped up the sugar in the fruit that are available. The Department of Agriculture And the snack food industry Melded together too.

[@ScienceAppliedForGood]

It was a very good talk. Carbs are the main problem just as David Ludwig's Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of obesity postulates and which is supported by mounting evidence.

[@jarren32]

It is disproved day after day after day. Youre choosing to believe select malinformation at best, or believing in unscience at worst.

[@DerrickLytlephoto]

The guidelines don’t need to be amended, they need to be abolished. Gov will always be captured by money, corruption , lobbyists, and self serving bureaucrats.

[@McCaffreyPickleball]

I'd love to see sources for the studies mentioned around 0:27:00 Ronald Krauss Co-authored a lot of papers and the closest one I could find based on your claim had the opposite conclusion to what you said.

[@MsBuffalopoo]

Grains are sprayed with glyphosate. Those of us with the MTHFR gene mutation would not touch them.

[@milofonbil]

Have you read Dr Benjamin Bikman "Why we get sick"? He might be a good guest on your show.

[@meganwildhood3893]

Um, where is the evidence that we have "no requirement for carbs at all"?

[@milofonbil]

Fat in our diet has beed villified. What's lacking in the dietary recommendations is what fats we do need vs fats (omega 3, mono saturated) we don't need (transfats and less omega 6). We probably need saturated fatty acids.

[@dolorespense3781]

Seriously one of the comments was eating isolates is not good in diets , was talking about dark green lettuce . THAT IS TALKED ABOUT WITH seemed with an all meat dieters Say also I wonder if you doctors could comment , thank You !

[@donkorte80]

Actually x number of drinks will raise alcohol blood levels …. Based on body weight… absolutes tend to be somewhat rare in nutrition/life…

[@champ-x7k]

Top ov the morning to ya gabrielle the king is back few technical problems 😘☝

[@cynthiapierce4184]

Excellent

[@fittara7322]

I think rather than speak to individuals we need to talk to big companies that promote convienance in s busy world to saywhen we make a burger orwhat ever we wajt use harmful fats, we will switch to whole grains we willl put more veg on the item etc etc cross the hoard and just help people get more involved with exercise thatis suitable and incouaging on individual basis.

[@askyourselfwhatdoyoureally3542]

No money in a cure...

[@lindajones4849]

Absolutely. Nothing like a pharmacologically dependent repeat customer who starts as a child on ozempic.

[@BeHealing]

You didn’t offend me 😀 great discussion

[@sabine8419]

The guidelines NOT about health, they are about profits. They are utterly unscientific, and need to go. Nobody needs dietary guidelines. All people involved in them need to be scrapped. That would save taxpayers a lot of money.

[@dianemcclure4430]

Have u heard of fatty15

[@workingtogether8804]

Just a thought 🤔🤔🤔! How do you control a population? Keep them unjealth!!!🤔🤔🤔🤗🤗🤗❤❤❤

[@roughout]

Vegetables and fruit are carbohydrates.

[@ManjiMachine]

The fat content is causing insulin resistance creating the glucose intolerance, the end

[@sabine8419]

No. It is the fat you make from the sugars/carbs via de-novo lipogenesis. If one just eats animal proteins with their associated fats there is no problem with fat.

[@ManjiMachine]

@@sabine8419that only happens in an over consumption state, not if you stay within your metabolic demands and not surpass them chronically

[@giuliam2531]

The shirt😂❤

[@MarkThomasMedia]

1.2g of protein per kg. I am 80 kg so that is 96g of protein, call it 100g per day. That is 16 eggs!! Or 400g beef or beans!! Are you really talking about 100g of pure protein {up to 25%) or 100g of meat/ beans per day? Surely you are talking about 100g of meat, not pure protein.

[@aleksandrap7336]

There are other foods with protein not just meat and eggs., Turkey, chicken, nuts, yogurt, cottage cheese, egg whites...

[@MarkThomasMedia]

Thank you for the reply but that was not the point of my question. The point is that if I tried to consume 100 g of protein a day then whatever the source of protein, I will need to eat 400 g of it as at best meat contains 25% protein. This really doesn't sound right to me. 400 g of steak is a hell of a lot. Just intuitively 100 g of steak should be enough for a day. Especially given that you are aiming to get 70 or 80% of your calories from fat not from meat or other protein sources.

[@reason3581]

”Protein restriction down to recommended levels is the only intervention I could find that slows down all the aging pathways.” / Michael Greger, author of How Not to Age

[@MsGrannyfrog]

I struggle with this having a friend, a Vegan who was a keen follower of Greger, a very athletic person as well, who died before his time due to a broken hip. So I struggle with this. There may be ways around it but right now, I am a bit skeptical of the approach. I do think the Adventists have great insight. I think Layman's insight to this is that yes, if we ate constantly like mice and constantly activated mTOR we would see that from protein intake but we eat in discrete meals and are not in this current state. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8435998/#:~:text=In%20multivariable%20models%2C%20including%20adjustment%20for%20calcium%20and,diet%20pattern%20and%20hip%20fracture%20risk%20in%20men.

[@sabine8419]

Red meat is the only thing in the diet that will lengthen telomeres.😅

[@slowmopoke]

Bluebird

[@reason3581]

1) people don’t follow the dietary guidlines, they eat mostly ultraprocessad junk. 2) the solution is not to eat lots of red meat and butter. The solution is to eat Fruits, vegetables , whole grains, beans, lentils, nuts, seeds, mushrooms, herbs, spices, olive oil and maybe some fish.

[@napua5217]

Terrible advice

[@sabine8419]

So many antinutrients and plant toxins.🙈🙈🙈

[@CarlosRojas-gm1qy]

What about toddlers? Children that don’t like to eat meat?

[@CarlosRojas-gm1qy]

What about if you’re a hyper observer?