Why ODSTs hate Spartans - Lore and Theory

[@Saintbow]

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" Pelican Pilot: "Name one pelican pilot other than Foehammer?"

[@solidcomic117]

BROHAMMERRRR

[@titanjakob1056]

Delgado

[@spartan-1824]

I know right

[@EMoney0527]

Hocus?

[@zhalosupercell2486]

I’m sorry I’ve never played halo but what’s a pelican pilot?

[@asinatrafanatic2697]

The real heros are the countless UNSC Marines who went into battle knowing full well that they probably wouldn't return. They were truly the backbone.

[@MightyCousintube-fg4jf]

Spartans and marines have mutual respect. They fought together and each of them show high tolerance with each other during heat of the battle. Marines always have Spartan backs unlike ODST who whine about stupid shit.

[@dozergames2395]

@@MightyCousintube-fg4jf they had the spartans backs they just felt like these freaks are taking all our achievements and hard work and makeing it mute

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

@@dozergames2395 I've always funny cause ever since the Spartans were mere 6 year olds the UNSC government owned them, and their every waking day was literally: "Do this beyond what is considered exceptional or get utterly destroyed" The Spartans did not have a choice and when they did it was fabricated so that they'd say yes in a "choice", the Troopers had a choice and freedom to get the achievements.

[@brianpolio42]

@@tyvernoverlord5363 that and they are acknowledged that they have died so they are at peace but Spartans will always be declared MIA Never KIA so there existence will be forgotten.

[@BuckOrosco]

They may be the hero's but in no way are they the back bone.

[@Darklordiban7]

Missed a big point in that Spartans were overall misunderstood in general. They never took off their armor(and when they did, they were sickly pale), they did inhuman feats of speed and strength, were absolutely massive(height and weight), were raised with military training which lead to them talking "like robots" or not much at all, could stand unnaturally still, and most of the details of what they went through or even the fact that they started as children were hidden from most people. They were overall incomprehensible to anyone without most of the facts. ODST training was incredibly difficult and the idea that there was something above them was difficult to mentally grasp.

[@Kerumoom]

Seems sort of monstrous when you think about it

[@zippyparakeet1074]

@@Kerumoom reminds me of the Pacific Rim quote: "To fight monsters, we created monsters of our own"

[@Knuspermonster]

ODST: "Thinking" Let me get this straight. Our Training is known for some not even surviving it and making walking through Hell like a nice thing and you want me to tell there is something that is even HARDER?

[@husaini8009]

@@Knuspermonster i mean, they didnt go through a process that could kill them and wastes all the years of training instantly so yeah

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

@@Kerumoom It's one of the interesting things about the setting. The Covenant are obviously totally evil, but the SPARTAN-II's like John-117 are literal child soldiers that we stolen from their parents, brainwashed/tortured/etc., and then used to slaughter human rebels. If the Covenant didn't come along the Spartan program would have been correctly seen as monstrous.

[@redaug4212]

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" UNSC Army: "We hardly even exist -.-"

[@mistahshade]

Wasn't Emile part of the UNSC Army before becoming a Spartan?

[@steadysamurai1172]

@@mistahshade no he too was Spartan-napped at a young age in the S-III program

[@TmanTheTdog]

@@steadysamurai1172 Well, not kidnapped exactly. The III’s were orphaned children that ONI basically would ask “Hey Kid, wanna avenge your family?”

[@steadysamurai1172]

@@TmanTheTdog True, true... I henceforth change my statement to “Spartan-bamboozled”

[@TmanTheTdog]

@@steadysamurai1172 An apt designation for ONI’s... recruitment techniques

[@piercepayumo4212]

ODST: "We don't need no Spartan!" Master Chief: "Tell that to the Covenant."

[@ozzyd31ta62]

Damnnn

[@Blitzkrieg23]

Xytan 'jar wattinree vs endgame thanos off-topic

[@coolminecraft1457]

ODST: “Normal humans will win this war not some augmented freak.” Spartan 2s and 3s: “ohh you’re built psychopaths and sent on absolute suicide missions on the best of days?”

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

wolverine: I WAS HERE FIRST, GET IN LINE BUB.

[@tehnsib]

But... the rookie.........

[@maggintons]

ODST:"We get no recognition." Me: *Constantly body blocking the ODST from fuel rods trying to help him survive The Ark*

[@maddawg9644]

I remember as a kid trying really hard to save every marine good times.

[@HaveANiceDayLol.]

@God Trojan Exactly. Fuck escort missions of any kind

[@lordbonney9779]

There’s two types of people who play HALO: 1) Those who save every Marine, friendly Elite and ODST. 2) Those that “Captain Keyes” EVERY friendly AI.

[@komet_13]

yeah i always try to give them the best weapons to the soldiers, rockets, fuel canons, snipers etc XD

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19 If you’re in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you’re English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations.

[@epicdude3659]

Spartan-II's: exist ODST's: and I took that personally.

[@therookie9276]

Spartan-II’s: Exist ODST: Peace was never an option

[@NuBeKiNg34]

ODST: And you know, i feel bad for you. Spartans: I dont think about you at all.

[@Cybernaut551]

@@NuBeKiNg34 Until Buck was promoted to Spartan before Buck appears in Halo 5: *Guardians.*

[@gtdhujgryhj5231]

@@therookie9276airforce : exist every other branch: why

[@Arbiter8655]

I dnt want peace! I want problems always

[@camillecirrus3977]

Chief in lore: completely disables 10 ODST's in just 22 seconds Chief in games: *_Cries in sniper jackal_*

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

Chief in lore seriously played baseball with a banshee and his fist why do beam rifles hurt so much?

[@austrakaiser4793]

CE Rocket Flood: Let us introduce ourselves.

[@jacksonb.valentine8208]

Obviously unconfirmed and never will be, but i just imagine cannon difficulty is easy for this very argument lol

[@Cha-Khia]

@@jacksonb.valentine8208 Canonical difficulty is Heroic, y'all just need to step your game up.

[@azorat1976]

@@Cha-Khia heroic is easy

[@Taz20005]

But odst carry a certain fear about them....a spartan shows up and people are like "wow a spartan were saved, never thought I'd see one." ODST shows up...people be like "damn we must be really fucked if they are dropping ODSTs here"

[@HibiscusOrchid]

It's the difference between a Superman and a 'Broken Arrow'

[@jimmyhernadez6185]

I feel like your staying this Bc of the show forward unto dawn, during the time which it takes place Spartans we’re still covered by black ink, only the top of the top knew of there existence. So that like we’re one of the recruits say “odst’s we must be fucked” is just Bc at the that was the most elite trooper they knew about

[@JayWalkZ]

@@jimmyhernadez6185 in the games the marines always feel like they're saved when a spartan appears. Spartand never die. When an odst appears it is a big battle with so much in stake that the likelihood anyone will live is slim. Especially when everyone know that an odst doesn't live long.

[@Qballiz2kool]

Don’t know why, but the “damn we must be really fucked if they are dropping ODST’s here.” really made me laugh.

[@zxcasf]

@@JayWalkZ Kind of reminds me of the Roman phrase "it comes down to the Triarii". When the Roman republic drew up battle lines they'd keep the oldest most well equipped soldiers in reserve at the back, and so a battle was considered to be particularly rough it the Triarii had to commit in force.

[@paragonrobbie9270]

ONI: Intentionally starts feud between a young Spartan and 3 ODSTs The Bullfrogs during the fall of Reach: "Yo, Noble! You guys wanna take some jump jets and hop around a city with us!"

[@phantomdude9901]

@@Feroce Well, going by Bungie's philosophy, the games were the only true cannon, if a book touched on something outside of that, it was mostly fair game unless the games say otherwise

[@toxicmasculinity7870]

@@phantomdude9901 Unfortunately though, I think 343 is giving credibility to everything outside of the games

[@InformerMaz]

@@toxicmasculinity7870 Not necessarily a bad thing. If it affects games, then yeah it’s bad. Doesn’t mean trying to give credit to books and stuff is bad - especially with everything to do with Reach. I think it’s good they found a middle ground between the two, to make them both valid.

[@brickvision8858]

You need to remember that the entire planet was screwed at that point. People change when death is pretty likely

[@Knuspermonster]

@@brickvision8858 also having some Spartans around and helping kick cov ass is never a bad idea

[@Grizzman47]

ODSTs: *have legs and lungs* Master Chief: *heavy breathing*

[@louis8487]

Master Chief: *Defends himself against unprovoked attacks* ODSTs: "What a piece of shit"

[@user-rc5je6yl8q]

Wouldn’t that be all of us?

[@akiramoon5272]

“Defends”...

[@christophermichael6027]

Not sure if I would use the term “defends”. He got asked (and accepted) to a sparring match. He could’ve said no. He didn’t intend to kill them but he went way to ham. When I read this in the book, it reminded me of Rocky VI with Drago and Apollo Creed in what was supposed to be an exhibition but Drago went way too hard, though Johns was unintentional whereas Drago’s was

[@miaella9113]

ODST: doesn't follow gym etiquette Also ODST: tries to beat a 14 y/o up for it

[@thatguysix-]

Kills the shit out of 4 ppl know all well they would be destroyed

[@earnestbrown6524]

Halo Legends "The Babysitter" has a good take on the one side nature of the rivalry.

[@fluent4530]

O Brian came to respect the Spartans though

[@aerozola2024]

@@fluent4530 well yeah because one had to die for him

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

Probably my favorite episode from Legends. The resentment was there all the way until the helmet came off.

[@goldenguardian8753]

Ya

[@KillMonger592]

True shit

[@vashthestampede6172]

John 117 absolutely misunderstood the situation that was at hand. This story comes from the book The Fall of Reach. Yes, it happens after an augmentation and John feels off because of his enhanced strength. He takes the pin and uses calculus to determine the weight divided by height and the pull of gravity to realize that the ship's gravitational rotation wasn't off, his body was. When the ODSTs entered and almost got injured by the unsecured weight pin, John tries to diffuse the situation politely. The ODSTs were the aggressors. When their CO told them to get into the ring, it was only then that John snapped into purpose because he was given orders to engage. After the devastating outcome, John approaches Chief Mendez confused at why he was seemingly in trouble. He was emotionally distraught because all he did was what he had been rigorously trained for since early ages of childhood; follow orders. That's when Chief Mendez gives the valuable wisdom that sometimes the orders aren't going to be cut and dry, black and white. Sometimes they'll be confusing or even conflicting, but they are orders nonetheless. The ODSTs were in the wrong by trying to engage John before a CO told them to resolve it in the ring. There is zero theory against John within the source material regarding this encounter because he lacked comprehensible knowledge of how extensive the augmentation was for his body and mind. This is a huge turning point mentally and emotionally for John's military career in that particular chapter.

[@cloudpractitioner5158]

Very interesting. Thanks for this post!

[@meetmeinthegame403]

Y’all niggas take this shit way too serious lmfao

[@rubens4747]

@@meetmeinthegame403 you clicked on the video too

[@abdulkhafidsulaymaan]

@@meetmeinthegame403 it's just all for fun bro lighten up

[@abdulkhafidsulaymaan]

Man they do this type of shit for real. I'm sure the powers that be wanted to see what John could really do. they had a eye on him since the beginning you know. they groomed him to be exactly what he turned out to be the master chief.

[@joshuadarrow]

Using kidnapped children as child soldiers: I sleep Using war orphans instead: *R E A L S H I T*

[@lukegovier6614]

@James Harrison Don't say norty words

[@lukegovier6614]

Don't skwer

[@lukegovier6614]

Don't say that.

[@lukegovier6614]

@James Harrison wrong words you ment i didunt

[@lukegovier6614]

@James Harrison i knowwwww

[@manipei]

There is one ODST who is in our hearts more than a Spartan. They called him Rookie. Gone but never forgotten ✊🏽

[@arthurwilliams5357]

You a real one.

[@lhg3242]

Great game never got to finish it 👎 but great game

[@shadowyt3769]

true

[@DanTheMan-hg6un]

@@lhg3242 it’s so good, go finish it

[@ZachAttackO0]

Yes sirrr. Tbh the very first game i ever played or touched as a child was Halo 1/2 grew up into the series as it progressed and for some reason when Halo 3 ODST released in Xbox 360 days it just stuck with me as a kid remember having actual butterflies dropping in that pod the erie feeling of being completely lost and the soundtrack was dead on, back then thought legendary was impossible last year got a gaming desktop bought the master chief collection and pacifically beat it on legendary few days ago sounds dumb but just a little small achievement that you'd think you could never pull as a kid is badass kinda weird just playing games you haven't played in years but use to all the time.

[@SirCannonball]

“The…SPARTAN-II[s]…like the Master Chief? Back when I was a[n ODST], they always struck me as glory-hungry bullet-catchers…The best thing they did for the rest of us on the field of battle was draw enemy fire. That’s no small benefit, mind you, and I got nothing against the Master Chief himself. I’ve met him. Fought alongside him. He’s a good Joe. You know, for a genetically engineered superhuman who was kidnapped at six years old to be shaped into a killing machine. He never morphed into a monster and tried to bite my head off. Not once.” - Edward Buck, circa 2555

[@nebsam715]

When and where did Buck say this?

[@SirCannonball]

@@nebsam715 Halo: New Blood, Chapter 1. Book that tells of how Buck and Alpha-9 joined the SPARTAN-IV Program before the events of Halo 5.

[@nebsam715]

@@SirCannonball thank you/sir or madam,given the full one year age of the comment I replied to I appreciate the instant replay

[@skullman-us7wn]

Fuckin love gunney

[@MC-vk5by]

@@SirCannonball man I was gonna say dang dude how in the world did you join? 😂

[@nuclearphoenix177]

The only chill ODSTs were the bullfrog I feel like they had a good time with six since he also saved them while evacuating

[@ContentCrusader69]

That was before 117 was tasked to fight with the covenant, plus I believe the hatred is toward a specific spartan model and noble 6 wasn’t the same spartan model as 117

[@atcrider250r4]

If your saying noble team are spartan 3s your wrong

[@atcrider250r4]

Spartan 3s were trained on onix not reach

[@DarthSangheili]

@@atcrider250r4 All of Noble were S-3 except Jorge. He was the only S-2 on the team.

[@torynnielsen5646]

If all ODST hate Spartans that is a very silly writing choice. Imagine navy seals being pissy at rangers

[@depressedyoshi1688]

"Broken ribs.." He just vibe checked a guy in the chest and he died

[@werewolf4358]

Vibe wasn't up to snuff.

[@erickauffmann_official]

Hahahah

[@cornyhole]

🤬 *VIBE CHECK* 💀

[@kneeofjustice9619]

I really liked the “The babysitter” episode of Halo legends. The ODST’s hated the Spartan until she sacrificed herself in the end to save them. Making them realize that Spartan’s were soldiers willing to fight for others just like them.

[@ulfrick11]

And that ODST punches out another for insulting her.

[@nebsam715]

I didn't know Halo had a series where do I get Halo legends?

[@thechrometrooper5454]

@@nebsam715 it’s free on KZbin and a number of sites like Pluto TV and Tubi

[@kevincloud574]

@@nebsam715 I think I saw it on a streaming service a while back I don't remember which. You should still be able to find it im sure. It's really good

[@ccls2]

@@nebsam715 Dutch from Halo 3: ODST is in that episode too

[@CrispyMWHC]

9:24 "ONI were in the wrong for orchestrating the situation to begin with." I feel like that sums up many of Humanity's non-Covenant problems.

[@thespartan-sangheili3224]

Halo drinking game: take a shot for ever time ONI is doing shady shit, double shot if it's a war crime.

[@CrispyMWHC]

@@thespartan-sangheili3224 We'd be more hammered than a squad of ODST's on shore leave.

[@Entropy_91]

They're like Cerberus, except their experiments don't break loose and start killing all their guys.

[@thespartan-sangheili3224]

@@Entropy_91 except for the Mona Lisa, in that case ONI's experiment's did break loose and kill (infect) everyone

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

@@Entropy_91 Cerberus doesn't terrify me since they're so disorganized. ONI could make a lot of people disappear.

[@Fellovidual]

Lets be real here, the main reason is because it faster to kill an ODST in your warthog than it is to ask them to get out.

[@lucaschudleigh7193]

This is the most relevant and accurate comment I have ever seen on KZbin 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@blackwarrior0776]

It’s like when the “cool” kid says your joke, but louder.

[@Fellovidual]

@@blackwarrior0776 ?

[@blackwarrior0776]

@@Fellovidual that’s my way of looking at it at least

[@Engieman909]

@@blackwarrior0776 I'm going to assume that you think that this comment was stolen from you. *Nothing is original on the internet*

[@anonymousguy720]

I would like to add that because of the surgery he had massive hormone imbalance, he had a five o clock shadow and was 6’5 at 14, they clearly though he was an adult

[@SMM_NAA]

Clone troopers fully grown at age 10: Pathetic.

[@dd_doesit]

to be fair i’m 6’5 at 16

[@SMM_NAA]

@@dd_doesit Chief?

[@itookthewooockkk5200]

@@dd_doesit bro a whole ass spartan

[@dd_doesit]

@@SMM_NAA instead of being a super soldier i’m just asked do i play basketball

[@tomtheconqerur]

Imagine if john just hit them all in the pelvis. He would be known as BallBreaker.

[@jamesharvey3993]

“The Nutcracker”

[@HaloGrunt15]

@@jamesharvey3993 "The Sack Smasher"

[@alfo149]

Ball dropped. Ball taken.

[@filthcauldron2441]

"Cockknocker" lol

[@troopergames8173]

@@alfo149+ YEA

[@Level5Fighter]

Four ODSTs vs one Spartan trainee. Moral of the story: Doesn’t matter how much you’ve accomplished, don’t let pride get the better of you.

[@CBSMcCloud]

well a 14 year old spartan got probably a better body as them... even without augmentation

[@yusafmalik5171]

Na, it's steroids and body augments

[@yusafmalik5171]

I'm trying to do this irl

[@matthewpaine6908]

If I learned anything from Lance Armstrong it is anything is possible with large amounts of Human Growth Hormones.

[@werewolf4358]

"The greatest swordsman in the world was beaten my a farmer with a quarterstaff."

[@501ststormtrooper9]

“How’d you get to being paralyzed?” “My spine got broken by a 14 year old.”

[@rhysnichols8608]

Nah it’s a badass way to become a cripple. “I fought a Spartan in hand to hand combat and lived”

[@theguybehindyou4762]

@@rhysnichols8608 I'm sure that's comforting.

[@garrettlaturski6703]

To be fair for the ODSTs that fought John, John was described as looking like an 18 year old Olympic athlete

[@1117Jrod]

The difference between an 18 year old Olympic gymnast who is still a boy (which is what I believe they were compared to) is still different than a seasoned special forces man. Source: friends with military special forces and collegiate gymnasts back when I was in college. Even today I look at a 20 year old “in shape” and I’m bigger.

[@__mindflayer__]

@@1117Jrod I mean tbh. They didn’t really tell the ODSTs his real age plus I’m sure John looked like a straight up adult. All they knew was about the Spartan project and we’re basically tasked of poking John with a stick.

[@THEZPCIPROJDCECT]

In the comic where thats from he's shown as being about a foot shorter and no where near as big and the ODST's call him "some kid"

[@FlameDarkfire]

I can grant them they probably figured he was a new recruit or something, but why they still followed through with an order to attack him, making up the weakest excuse of provocation to attack, is Kinda beyond me. The ODST sergeant was in on it apparently, so why *he* didn’t question the order makes me wonder as well. Kinda makes me wonder if the Spartans weren’t the only force to be conditioned to be unquestioningly loyal and obedient. I wonder how he felt, ordering those men to their deaths or permanent disability.

[@buenapilapil5513]

@@FlameDarkfire I still remember while reading Halo: The Fall of Reach, the seargent didn't realize WHAT John is til after after the fight. And even then, it was only after Chief Mendez showed up to break it up and get John outta there before someone called security.

[@Ikcatcher]

Imagine working your ass off to be part of the best special forces ever only to be sidelined by some magical faceless super soldier

[@reyzephlyn105]

I feel like that happens alot to actual special forces. There's always a Special Special Forces

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Rangers: lead the way! Delt Force: I'm going to jump down and say 'ello there

[@ematic0054]

Images getting your family torn away from you to be thrown into into a place you don’t know anything about, to be a machine of war, Just be insulted by some But hurt soldiers

[@weaselwolf8425]

@@SCHMALLZZZ Delta doesn't exist so its safe to say Green Berets (literally the same thing lol). At least you didn't say SEALs😂😂😂😂👊

[@black10872]

@@SCHMALLZZZ Actually ODST's are more like Green Berets and Spartans are like Delta Force.

[@aeternusnightshade2726]

"Rivalry" is too strong a word for the fact that most Spartan-II's were utterly unaware of why the regulars were so angry at them while they were there to slap ass and nothing else. Spartan-III's had little contact with soldier's outside their units and Spartan-IV's are taken from exceptional soldiery to be augmented and fitted with state of the art mjolnir armor, so the IV's would probably have some former ODST's thrown in there and would probably have more amicable relations with the regular human soldiers.

[@Man_of_Krieg]

Buck is a former ODST

[@nakeysnakey6220]

Palmer was an odst too, she's got some buddies still no doubt

[@happyhammer1]

Yeah, Buck used to be an ODST

[@marseldagistani1989]

@@happyhammer1 Rookie

[@fortgamer874]

At the start he did say one sided rivalry

[@epicdude3659]

The UNSC when a Spartan loses a limb: here's some more cybernetics. The UNSC when an ODST has his spine broken: sorry mate but you're absolutely screwed, nothing we can do, you'll never walk again.

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

The UNSC's medical tech really is spotty and you can see from the first novel _Fall of Reach_ to Halo Reach and the media during and post Halo 3, you really see the further spotification of medical technology over the 20 years of the franchise once 343 comes into play and magic hands the tech...

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Cybernetic limbs is about a million times more plausible than fixing a broken spinal cord.

[@navilluscire2567]

@@SCHMALLZZZ But you'd think they, a Great Journey's damed space faring civilization that has stupidly advanced medical technology and I dunno has human argumentation technology couldn't find a novel solution to broken spinal cords. Heck I don't see why they couldn't fix literally everything, every alignment or injury known to man save death. Even then that's in situations where a person can't be revived because they've been dead for about 4 or so minutes which is about how long it takes for the brain to be seriously damaged by lack of oxygen intake and thus futile to revive. Actually I'm suprised a space faring human civilization hasn't already embraced transhumanism and turned themselves all into literal demigods with super advanced genetic engineering and cybernetics. At the very least you'd think they'd already figured out how to greatly extend human lifespans with genetic engineering to where 150 years old is more like being in one's late 50s for us or even granting longer still lifespans going into the multiple centuries, they've had centuries to figure it out. (as an on the spot hypothetical)

[@cpt.riptide473]

@@navilluscire2567 Well, Johnson died in combat in his 70s, didn't he? Human lifespans seem to have been somewhat increased

[@praetorian9823]

@@cpt.riptide473 there’s no fucking way. Johnson was 70?! How in the hell was he still able to fight so easily?

[@hectorsjourneys8249]

ODSTs: WE HATE SPARTANS Also ODSTs: *Get turned into Spartan 4s* Homies make up your damn minds.

[@magnawaves]

The span of time between John killing those ODSTs and the Spartan IV program taking in ODSTs as volunteers is double what you've probably been alive. They did make up their minds.

[@josephfox9076]

The fuck Palmer

[@bthsr7113]

He also said that the majority still stayed in ODST

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

Aren't Spartan IV just 343's version of ODST?

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

I mean Nazi Germany renamed it's the standard Heer Soldier half through WW2 to Grenadier. Not because they were actual Grenadiers but to give the lowly Heer Soldier a confidence boost knowing that they share the same name as the venerable assault Troops of yesteryear. I am 99% sure it's the same thing with the Spartan IVs. Placebo effect. Tell them that they are Spartans even when they actually aren't.

[@AlturdWalker]

ODSTs in game: “Yo shit we got a Spartan.” ODSTs in lore: “ah fuck we got a Spartan can’t wait to get no credit.”

[@BushBumperBaker]

I honestly wish they would make ODST's hate you in Halo. Lmao. Would give them waayyyy more personality.

[@wastedweirdo9853]

Run by someone "Fucking prick"

[@Raccoon._.06]

Cheif: *saves a group of ODST* ODST: F*** you, we were fighting here first!

[@starhammer5247]

@@Raccoon._.06 That gives the same energy as Chips saying, "You stole my kill! Kill Stealing bastard!"

[@Raccoon._.06]

@@starhammer5247 😂😂

[@lonelystarboy]

To be fair, the odst's that fought john probably didint know he was 14. It was said that before the augmentations John looked like an 18yo Olympic Athlete at age 14.

[@fankgaming7753]

Doesn’t matter. They were unlawfully ordered to attack another service member aboard their vessel. Shouldn’t have complied with an illegal order.

[@chockyglocky0577]

@@fankgaming7753 you forget that Oni could and would kill you or ruin your life if you didn’t do what they wanted

[@fankgaming7753]

@@chockyglocky0577 No, no I didn’t forget that.

[@chockyglocky0577]

@@fankgaming7753 fair

[@michaelterrell5061]

To be fair however they were still much older, much more experienced, and would have thought that they were physically stronger(oh boy were they wrong).

[@dorkmax7073]

ODSTs: You took everything from me Spartans: I don't even know who you are

[@TimeCircleBlue]

That second statement would be absolutely genuine with little to no malice. Not their fault ONI never tried to socialize the S-2s

[@patientzero0003]

This was well explained in the book. John was taught to win, to neutralize his enemies. The ODST became his enemies when they challenged him.

[@opticalraven1935]

I find it funny that a group of guys went outta their way to pick on a lone soldier, who was trying to apologize. But, what do expect from a horde of immature fuckwits?

[@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19 If you’re in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you’re English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations.

[@sansskie1151]

Imagine being kidnapped at a young age... -This comment was made by the ODST gang

[@yadaddy_couldnt]

Odst may be badass but will never out do Spartans

[@riverfeather381]

What about the Spartan IV gang?!?(I dislike them as well but they do join the Spartan IV program willingly at adulthood)

[@austrakaiser4793]

I'm not part of the cringy ODST Halo 5 clan even though my gamertag sure does seam like it but aye I live where most ODST's come from.

[@odstscorpion4472]

Deadass

[@austrakaiser4793]

@@odstscorpion4472 Deadarse bloody down under mate

[@suzumiyaharuhi3438]

Remember how the security guy said he wasn't impressed by the Doom Slayer?

[@Redlionreal5649]

Holy shit yes

[@naija395]

Explain I want to know. Was that in doom or halo?

[@Redlionreal5649]

@@naija395 doom eternal....

[@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747]

Then he almost shit his pants when he saw him.

[@Saren_95]

I never get tired of this story. Seeing how strong Spartan IIs are without their armor always blows me away

[@midgetydeath]

Which is why the lore about humans actually is pretty cool. The Bungie take on humans being Forerunners makes more narrative sense, but the 343i take that Spartans are humanity's natural form is pretty dang cool.

[@surveymaster1297]

"he did that all... in 22 seconds" I shouldn't be laughing but that was funny

[@3CODKing]

I honestly wish the games could justify just how fast the spartan 2s were

[@michaelcarrasquillo4781]

@@3CODKing I hated how Halo 5 portrayed the speed of Spartans. I didn’t even read the books and I knew that John was portrayed to be much faster than in Halo 5.

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

@@michaelcarrasquillo4781 The choreography in Halo 5 is awful, and not just in the fight between Chief and Locke. It's throughout the Campaign.

[@michaelcarrasquillo4781]

@@lelouchvibritannia4028 that’s very true...

[@LMG1792]

Ackerson deserves everything that happens to him. I'm glad in the old books Cortana got some great revenge on him.

[@cobrajeff96]

In the Uprising comics they painted him differently, made me respect him somewhat.

[@m1tthrawnuru0d06]

Well she tried to get him on a frontline assignment, but instead he left Reach and returned to Earth. He ended up being captured on Mars and killed during the covenant invasion of the Sol system.

[@Justin-LaFleur]

Ackerson was UNSC Army though not an ODST

[@hydrasfang]

Didn't Ackerson try to kill the Spartans while they were still unaugmented and in training during the book Halo Fall of Reach? I could be wrong about them being unaugmented but I can't find my book so not sure.

[@Justin-LaFleur]

@@hydrasfang he tried to kill the Master Chief not all the Spartans

[@no1bandfan]

Even the Spartans who were damaged, broken in battle or crippled by the augmentations still wanted to do everything they could to help. The worst thing to them was to not to be able to serve, to be thrown away as useless.

[@knowledgeseeker5393]

Have you already done one on how buck becoming a Spartan affected him in relation to his former fellow ODST’s

[@danielsummers4891]

He did mention in this video that the animosity was almost entirely towards the Spartan-IIs, not the -IIIs or -IVs, but that would be neat to find out

[@knowledgeseeker5393]

@@danielsummers4891 yup

[@alonidas4259]

Spoiler from one of the books: The motive was because the rookie and the rest of the team died in a foerunner planet(I think, its been a while since I've read the book)

[@DaMasta981]

@@alonidas4259 Rookie was kidnapped and assassinated, while the others survived. They used his death to become Spartans

[@alonidas4259]

@@DaMasta981 Man that sucks and also I have to read the books again, its kinda frustating that you can only find this info in the books and not in game tho

[@roberthipolito1351]

*Spartan II* : I lost almost all of my brothers and sisters *ODST's* : Bastard you took my place! *UNSC Marine* : Bruh, we're cannon foder... Humanity's grunts. *Planetary Armyman* : Wait you guys get mentioned!?

[@paulnathanmullock6214]

Killzone marine: at least your franchise isn't dead

[@TheonlyWelc0mematt]

Unsc Air Force: We only got mention once... in Spartan ops

[@pierrebournaltaccount7316]

Halo 5 marines: we are only in cutscenes ):

[@johnnyb7628]

Just imagine how useless the navy felt (and I mean the navy with actual ships on water.)

[@kishaloyb.7937]

@@johnnyb7628 they probably stopped using the word "navy" once UNSC arrived with actual spaceships xD

[@lavi688]

Something that isn’t mentioned as someone who’s read quite a bit of lore/books is that John thought it was an ordinary test. As regularly the Spartans were normally tested like this in these circumstances and were required to kill. He thought it was an exercise, as explained in the books.

[@civosborne]

As a former paratrooper, I see similarities beyond jumping out of aircraft.

[@christopherjones7023]

much respect and gratitude for your service

[@civosborne]

@@christopherjones7023 My greatest contribution to the war on terror was burning poop in a bucket.

[@christopherjones7023]

@@civosborne someone had to do it I guess, and I thank you even more for actually stepping up and getting er done

[@civosborne]

Sorry for not including this in the original. An example of my work.: kzbin.info/www/bejne/foa2nKGnf7J9odk

[@christopherjones7023]

@@civosborne well crud, now you have my sympathy as well as my thanks.

[@theorangeninja6486]

ODST: *challenges john* John: So you have chosen death

[@zonnodon163]

Amen

[@Everydayartist12]

Or paralysis

[@NewGuy2534]

Well let’s think. ODST were recruited from volunteers based on their skills within the marines. Spartans were child soldiers, kidnapped, indoctrinated, replaced with flash clones, and in the case of the Spartan-III sent out in suicidal raids to die.

[@PackHunter117]

The thing is the Spartans helped save humanity. If they didn’t exist ODSTs wouldn’t have been able to do jack shit in comparison.

[@jobomba]

Yeah like he said I think their resentment is misplaced

[@JohnWright-hi9mb]

Without the ODSTs they would have lost the war as well. The spartans did not do everything. Just Master Chief

[@sG_Paradise]

@@jobomba Yes I know what it means I wasn’t paying total attention, my bad 😬

[@sG_Paradise]

@@JohnWright-hi9mb Right, the spartans were killing machines but they can’t be everywhere at once

[@jobomba]

@@sG_Paradise all good

[@holydragonsoul8257]

I believe in the book glass lands some odsts went to earth after the coventent attack and when they where asked who they where the civilians did not know what an odst was and just assumed they where another solder in the unsc

[@coolminecraft1457]

Shit forget the name part think of watching someone die in your arms hundreds of light years behind enemy lines and when you go home the people don’t even know what makes you different from just another conscript.

[@dravenocklost4253]

God damn, ouch... :(

[@dravenocklost4253]

@@coolminecraft1457 yeah

[@stevenescobar3247]

Weren't they out of uniform though.

[@2fangz296]

@@coolminecraft1457 what about having hundreds of spartan soldiers die and covered up and labeled MIA because "spartans never die" never known to history. cry me a river odsts

[@Letsgetdusty]

“This goes further than a simple superiority complex” Proceeds to highlight how it’s exactly a superiority complex

[@jdeitch1322]

Inferiority

[@MikeJones-qn1gz]

Think of modern day special forces they are extremely competitive and will always say that their force is the best.

[@MrHowhot]

Who

[@CHgamer14]

@@MrHowhot SAS vs Navy Seals

[@flabbywall1780]

There special until there enemies have a fucking anti air gun pointed at them.

[@devinshort8150]

It depends, the Seals tend to be more arrogant than the others because of their "visibility" in the media via movies and the like, leading to a "movie star" mentality disproportionately among their ranks. Whereas with groups like Force Recon and the Green Berets, because of the quiet nature of their work, you're more likely to see a sort of quiet confidence with them when around others. They usually know they are among the best warriors in history and tend to feel no need to prove themselves to others who haven't experienced what they have.

[@CHgamer14]

@@devinshort8150 true was just an example tho, like you get similar rivalry between marines and army or FBI and police kinda thing

[@blackdragon5274]

I feel like not all ODST'S hate Spartans by any means, maybe like a very vocal third or fourth, but most seem to respect them, especially chief.

[@coolminecraft1457]

You’d be real respectful too if you met the man almost single handedly responsible for the defeat of the most powerful enemy you’ve ever encountered.

[@xShadow_God]

The ODSTs (Bullfrogs) in Halo Reach didn't seem to mind Noble Six accompanying them.

[@Samuel_Loegan]

Exactly right guys? Not EVERY single dudes and dudettes hate the Spartans

[@spagheddie1673]

@@xShadow_God I like to think that a lot of odsts - such as the bullfrogs - see it as an opportunity for some friendly competition, and a chance to prove themselves

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

@@xShadow_God Same with the ODST's Chief fights alongside with in Halo 3. At the beginning of the mission The Ark, when Chief is standing in the Pelican and grabs his sniper rifle, he looks at an ODST who nods at him as if to say, "Let's see who can get more kills between you and me >:)." They have a friendly competition at times.

[@Player_Zhirow]

Counterpoint: Spartans were known as “Spartans”, ODSTs may’ve been overlooked in their achievements but Spartans were literally just a symbol, they didn’t and don’t technically have names. They’re just a weapon, can’t be mad at a gun for being a gun. Spartans don’t look for thanks or recognition, they just do the job because it’s the job.

[@UncertaintyLaw]

With each other they used their name. the only time they acted like normal people is when they are alone with each other.

[@AOJ-z3m]

​@@UncertaintyLaw and with Halsey, since she was basically thier mother

[@derp3305]

Welp, that explains why my ODST AI team accidentally fires rockets at me right after I gave him one.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@Magine_]

I thought that just happened to me, glad to hear they hate us all XD

[@wasupiknowu8533]

Lol

[@petemasta99]

Mine just kept driving off a cliff over and over

[@tobiasreaper3650]

@@petemasta99 they felt that was a better option than getting into a fight with you

[@robertalvarado3855]

The real heroes are the Marines in which I took out my level frustration on. The ones I stuck a grenade for no reason. Thank you Marines for dying and respawning with a forgiving heart.

[@longarrowthegreat5230]

I ACCUSE YOU OF TREASPN AGAINST THE GRAND ARMY OF THE REBUP- I MEAN GRAND ARMY OF THE UNSC!!!

[@bi0h4z4rd4]

John *defends himself against ODSTs trying to kill him without even killing any of them* The rest of the ODSTs: So I took that personally.

[@odsttrooper3724]

He definitely killed them

[@helloyouarereadingmyname3322]

@@odsttrooper3724 1/2 but the ones left had their lives ruined. One was paralysed for the rest of their life and the other lost their chance for kids with a shattered pelvis. Unless you're talking about the 10 odst's with live ammunition

[@opticalraven1935]

@@helloyouarereadingmyname3322 Well, next they'll think before starting a fight for no reason. And to the ODST that lost the chance to breed, good. We need less of the assholes around.

[@gabrielcanejo187]

@@odsttrooper3724 He's talking about the 2th mentioned in the video.

[@real_terminalgt]

@@gabrielcanejo187 ah yes, the 2th odsts that died

[@smc0718]

My Theory: They are jealous that Spartans take all the credit.

[@ranger3576]

That they do. Especially since the Spartan program did in fact take funding from other programs and branches, including the ODST’s and S-3, as the cost of one set of mjolnir armor alone cost as much as a brand new Halberd class destroyer.

[@dislikebutton5748]

They aren't exactly going on the news and talking about their accomplishments they are given credit for the things they accomplish nothing is taken but I see your point

[@dislikebutton5748]

@@Prophet1 well yeh jealousy is understandable but hatred is not at least not anymore since they can all try to be a spartan now. That doesn't really change anything since the reputation of spartans began with the 2s and those deaths will still be overlooked but if that makes a soldier fell such a way as to hate then what purpose did they join the ranks?

[@xShadow_God]

Just like how clones were pissed that Jedi took all the credit. The clones would sacrifice themselves for the mission, only for the Jedi to be praised as the heros. ODSTs seem to fall into that same category. The best of the best, willing to give it all for the mission. But they hardly got any recognition. Obviously the literal super soldier will outperform normal humans and steal the spotlight. I can't blame the ODSTs at all for having a resentment towards Spartans.

[@smc0718]

@@xShadow_God *Yup!*

[@Zimzilla99]

ODSTs be like: de tuk er jerbz

[@kylonjones5678]

Took our jerb!

[@drepo9175]

Er meh gerd, de yuk er jerbz

[@gavinlewis6396]

Durker durr!

[@Enigma..]

😂😂

[@coolmanhere8110]

derk dik dur

[@bloovboi4260]

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" *looks at me* me: *holding a Rookie ODST plushie* ODST: nvm

[@smoke5820]

That’s me

[@smoke5820]

I love ODST’s they are in one of the few halo games that have the bruteshot and I love the armor

[@therestinghornet6906]

Holy moly joining the discord was such a good idea. I was here almost instantly 💙

[@tiltedmalzahar7006]

i was actually unsubbed randomly, thankfully this video appeared in my recommended and now I'm back as a subscriber, love your content dude.

[@redcell9636]

Same, I only just noticed that.

[@TalexTheLich]

Just a quick thing about John; if you're fighting against the odds, as in a stronger opponent, more opponents or in that case both. Your mind goes to a more brutal place, you're not thinking about just disabling the opponents you're thinking about making it out alive. This plus as you said he probably wasn't aware of how strong he really was, he was still learning that gravity didn't effect him the same so I can totally understand him not being held accountable for his actions, plus he was devastated to learn he killed allies. Totally understand why the ODSTs would be mad and hate him for it (and all Spartans) but I just thought it was a thing of note is all :> great video like always

[@mrmagno5955]

Both sides Spartans ODSTS have to realise without either of them the war would have been lost

[@Everydayartist12]

Spartan 3s disagree without them the war would be lost

[@quantumfrost9467]

You say John could of eliminated the Threat differently, but he literally just got augmentations so he probably wasn't use to it yet

[@trevorminton6084]

The only proof you need is in the fight with 10 ODSTs, master chief doesn't kill any of them despite them trying very hard to kill him. If he could've controlled his strength during the fight against the 4, they would've all survived

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

@@trevorminton6084 totally different situation.

[@trevorminton6084]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 i can agree that the ODSTs were much stronger so chief could go a little harder, but he does show a remarkable amount of restraint in that fight

[@ecadogan4]

@@trevorminton6084 but chief had literally just had his augmentation. He just knew something was different, he wouldn't know one puch would kill someone

[@snodog00]

Dude, respect for how you asked for subs. Thanks for telling us why it matters to you and the effect it has on your channel instead of just screaming at me to do so. I am and have been subscribed.

[@roelsalinas3536]

Is no one gonna talk about how John didn't look close to a regular 14 year old lol

[@MandalorV7]

@Yung Katt That would put him in the new enlisted age range whom all military branches haze quite often. If they really thought he was 18-20 then they would have had no problem knocking him around a bit. As I presume that’s how they thought the boxing match would go.

[@tdawork7339]

@Yung Katt they said he looked like an Olympic athlete

[@austrakaiser4793]

I agree when people try to portray children/teens they never get the looks nor personality correct. Mate I'm a 15yr old Aussie and people deny I'm younger than 20 because of my strong accent.

[@knightknox6562]

I wonder why this 14 year-old boy is as tall as us and is looking like john cena on steroids and has battle scars. Eh fuck it lets fight him

[@d4rokki]

@@austrakaiser4793 same, I’m 15 years old and people think I’m older simply because of the way I act and how I look. Although I am 6’4 and have a beard so I can see why they’d think so

[@Smallzthehomie760]

Helljumper here, I dont hate the spartans im just jealous they take all the glory they took the “badass” title away from us

[@jayahdez]

thanks for your input & thank you for your service 🙏🏾

[@Nbmstr2000]

Unsc marines just laugh at middle battte because see this, lol

[@Smallzthehomie760]

@@Nbmstr2000 English?

[@Tigershark_3082]

ODSTs are still badass in their own right

[@DicSeaMon]

ODST Sarge "settle this in the ring" 14 year old 117 "im about to end this man's whole career."

[@jamaltimmerman7052]

Wow that's means John is master chief

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

TL;DR: Spartans: The future is now, old man.

[@Cybernaut551]

I love that.

[@gifthorse3675]

I love how humanity is facing extinction but the UNSC can’t afford to give every soldier shielding and advanced armor cause you know, you need to save money in the end of times.

[@cryptosporidium1375]

They put majority of their eggs in the Infinity as it was basically the Government in exile vessel.

[@Omega4Productions]

Well, just like any war, you need to make sure there is something left over when the war actually ends. Not much point in winning if you end up collapsing afterwards anyway.

[@fossilizedanimals5503]

I think it was less actual cash and more material and. Mark 5 wasn't made until 51 or 52. Not counting augments and the like

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

MJOLNIR armor was literally powered by a nuclear power cell; that's part of the reason why it was so expensive to make.

[@MrVeps1]

The Spartan-IIs didn't get shields at first. They fought the Insurrectionists before the Covenant attacked. Many of them died before shields were reverse engineered. The UNSC can't afford to give every soldier a shield much the same way they can't afford to give every soldier a tank. You can't just go into a debt of manhours and natural resources, it's not like engineers eat money and shit out bleeding edge technology.

[@dank9640]

John didn't mean to kill those ODSTs, he just didn't know his own strength

[@arsalansaeed5961]

J117: Our duty as soldiers is to protect humanity, whatever the cost. ODST: Soldiers are still human. ONI: Spartans aren't human, they are weapons.

[@jacoblagasse9225]

"There were other ways John could have neutralized the threat" Ummm two things. First, you said it yourself. He wasn't used to how strong and fast he was post augmentation. Second, he was out numbered. You gottahit hard and fast and take as many out of the fight as fast as you can before they can overwhelm you. John doesn't know how strong he is at that point. The whole thing is in no way John's fault. He was just defending himself. He wasn't trying to kill any of them. He was probably just trying to knock them out, but ya know, first fight pumped on super soldier juice and you're not used to it and you're reacting off instinct and military training that's been drilled into your head... Oh and they're ODSTs. You really think they're going to stop fighting just cuz of a broken arm? Fuck no.

[@ekscalybur]

I also had a serious problem with his assessment here. The only neutralized threat is a dead threat. He, on his own, was attacked by a group. The arrogant shits got what they deserved. None of the responsibility for the outcome of that was John's.

[@drl6437]

@@ekscalybur tbh it wasn't the odsts fault aswell. Oni demanded a odst sergeant to use odsts as training dummies instead of using other different methods.

[@jonlewis5061]

@@drl6437 exactly. A group of the most elite troops ordered to go up against one kid that they didn’t know was already highly trained and freshly augmented. Lol

[@vinnyvin4287]

@@jonlewis5061 Yeah, but it was neither's fault, one group had orders, and one simply was unaware that he was practically of a God's level in combat.

[@BioLegacy141]

@@ekscalybur Neutralized doesn't mean killed. Incapacitated, unarmed, surrendered, injured beyond fighting capable, etc, all of those are options. I don't agree with Installation00 here but you're definitely wrong too.

[@connormorris6642]

Oni has the technology to make genetically enhanced super soldiers but they still can’t fix paralysis 🤣

[@SantanicoDiabolical]

they probably do and just don't because capitalism. Even now medical technology is pretty advanced... if you can afford it.

[@connormorris6642]

@@SantanicoDiabolical nah, America isn’t making it to 2550 without that free health insurance 😂

[@IKMojito]

@@SantanicoDiabolical very cringe, there's a huge different between inducing body development and having to unfuck crippling paralysis

[@SantanicoDiabolical]

@@IKMojitolol, cringe how? Do you know exactly how advanced the medical technology is in Halo? Because it doesn't seem like it. In the books, which go into much more detail, the UNSC is able to flash clone entire human bodies with sentience or just specific organs for surgery. Halsey flash cloned new organs before performing surgery on several Spartan 2s. So no, it is not cringe to think that healing paralysis is within their reach. Nor is it cringe to think that this technology is not available to the public as it is shown many UNSC citizens are completely unaware of the existence of flash cloning. ONI having used this tech to replace the young Spartan 2s with clones that would die soon after and thus covering up their kidnappings, so... also kinda have to mention how much better life expectancy is, with Sergeant Johnson being in his 70s but is still fit for active duty military service and looks at least three decades younger than his actual age.

[@IKMojito]

@@SantanicoDiabolical cloning tissue is a whole seperate issue from being able to cure paralysis. It's one thing to create something from a base material, it's another to have to work with something that is already damaged

[@tristanbackup2536]

Why we need a game from the Marines or soldiers perspective with band of brother themes of war.

[@CaptainCracked]

Damn, I feel bad for Buck. He probably needs therapy

[@ThatOneGuy-iv9sn]

He has more to worry about

[@Davidofthelost]

He has an ONI girlfriend pulling his strings.

[@logicplague]

That marine from 343 Guilty Spark needs therapy.

[@Just_a_Tool]

I feel like the blame on Spartans is fully misplaced. All the grievances ODST's have with Spartans are not the fault of the Spartans, but was conducted by ONI and their propaganda.

[@lemon_curry_]

Christmas time, sauce time

[@ranger3576]

Yup

[@sirduckoufthenorth]

what is that picture

[@Just_a_Tool]

@@sirduckoufthenorth Just Mei.

[@Myname8315]

Great point, the reality is that the hatred for Spartans is really misguided outrage with their leadership. Although if it ever got out that leadership purposely killed ODST’s for the sake of an experiment the outrage among the UNSC ranks would be immense. It’s a sad reality, but ONI is highly unethical. Unfortunately the covenant doesn’t have the word ethics in their vocabulary, so there’s that.

[@Sinn0100]

I love the ODST or "Hell Jumpers" as their skills on the battlefield are incredible. However, Spartans are legendary and in a class of their own. They can do what entire platoons of ODST cannot. Furthermore, without the Spartans ability to hold the line and win battles decisively...the ODST would have been wiped out along with all of humanity. I believe the Spartans deserve the superstar status they have earned through blood, sweat, and tears as the true deciding factor in destroying our enemies. That doesn't mean the Hell Jumpers or any other Marine doesn't deserve to be honored for their incredible bravery but we have to give credit where credit is due. Hopefully, we see an end to the needless feud between the ODST and Spartans. I don't think ODST has been made obsolete by the Spartan program. No more than the Navy Seals have made the Green Berets obsolete. They all have their roles and ODST far, far, far outnumber the Spartans.

[@danielawesome36]

"Why ODST's hate Spartans" John: "Haha punches go brrr-!"

[@DeathByLego]

Basically yeah

[@danielawesome36]

@@DeathByLego Actually, I'm pretty sure ODST's already hated Spartans even before John broke a few of their friends' bones.

[@TheonlyWelc0mematt]

Bones go crrrrk

[@crisis-cor]

I almost liked this comment until I realized it had 117 likes.

[@danielawesome36]

@@crisis-cor Lord Hood: "You want a medal, mate?"

[@mattweels]

So, what about regular marines? They died A LOT, right?

[@ekscalybur]

Well, according to Installation00 and many other people in the comments, fuck those guys. Every time you saw a UNSC ship blow up, there were 1000s of noncombatants dying in each one, so I guess doublefuck those guys.

[@randomguy2369]

One thing that lives rent free in my mind is the part in Halo 1 where they first introduced The flood and that one marine went crazy and started shooting u with his pistol. I put him down everytime

[@Ajc-ni3xn]

ODST: “we do hard job wah wah” The UNSC commercial Fleet/merchant marine getting mentioned like once:

[@knightknox6562]

:R E A L S H I T

[@TheonlyWelc0mematt]

Don’t forget the unsc Air Force

[@frankhurtado8596]

I still kinda confused as to how John has any blame for the ODST situation in the gym

[@thearchives1094]

Basically John shouldn't have used lethal force, granted he did not know his strength, but he should have incapacitated them, like breaking arms and legs, not spines and skulls

[@frankhurtado8596]

But if he didn’t know how strong he was how can he be blamed for anything that happened? Like if he was just listening to what was ordered by adults and high ranked people than it’s not his fault they tried to fight him with his new augments that he doesn’t know what that means for himself

[@Omega4Productions]

Yeah, John basically underestimated the new strength he had and thus used disproportionate force on the ODSTs. That's why it was "his fault".

[@frankhurtado8596]

It just seems weird putting blame on a young boy with fresh augments who doesn’t know how or what he can do especially when he was given orders from a high ranking person to fight these grown men for no reason.

[@PeachDragon_]

@@thearchives1094 he didn't do it on purpose, he fought the way he knew, he couldn't just assume that a punch from him would kill

[@jerlaine1638]

As a veteran thank you for pointing out that in a fight we're fighting for each other. And the anger is most certainly misdirected at the Spartans. It would take a complete douchebag to tell hardened warriors because yes the ODST is the definition of a warrior to fight a child. It would take a bigger douchebag to fight a child, I don't pity those men. Nor do I pity the ODST who fell when they attacked Master Chief, they could have said no and disobeyed orders that were clearly a threat to humanity, instead they attacked.

[@tonythegreat4275]

We need a halo game where you play as a odst again, and even a halo game where you play as a marine, covenant, and insurectioness, shit even put the flood in there i wanna play as the flood.

[@smokedpencil3584]

Yes, please that would be so cool.

[@StevenTheAristolianNerd]

It would open up so many possibilities to have more games where you play as Marines or ODSTs hell maybe even pilots. Every mission you just around carrying troops, Spartans, and equipment across the battlefields.

[@JDGurg]

Imagine a “open world” type game, where you can choose which path you want to take as a member of the UNSC, depending on the choices you make in training, or early life, etc. so you could be a Spartan, or any of the other sides of the UNSC. An idea I had was the first half of the game taking place during the human covenant war, then maybe become a defector, and then be up against ONI, though you’d likely die at their hands at the end of the game. Just my thoughts.

[@npswm1314]

Lol. Just go play the SS13 Halo server when its up.

[@40kthrawn30]

Imagines playing as Foe Hammer I think she is a real unsung hero and I think she has some badass stories as well.

[@jameswallace7091]

Your content is fantastic. It’s easy to see how well researched it is as it’s incredibly accurate! Thanks for your hard work! Us fans really appreciate it!

[@lordd0ngur18]

ODSTs: “Am I a joke to you?” Noble 6: “Yes”

[@Slow_Biden]

Noble 6 was completely erased and classified 😭😭

[@samuelpettington2241]

With the increasing ease, affordability and effectiveness of Spartans, ODSTs are being phased out. Not to mention the idea they might have that Spartans aren't "human".

[@abelardodelatorresolis3966]

I thought that, the plan was to slowly transition to a full spartan army.

[@KillerChickn]

Every Ancient Human facing the Forerunners was augmented beyond Modern Human Spartans, with much higher grade exo-armor and way more advanced AI helping each one.

[@Zues120]

Meeeh. Even a thousand spartans doesnt mean diddly for the hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of thousands of ODSTs. There are units of ODSTs per colonized continent, per planet, and probably larger space stations.

[@KillerChickn]

@@Zues120 And yet a single Spartan has taken out multiple Covenant and Forerunner Armadas, and saved all of Humanity multiple times. Those ODSTs are just slightly tougher cannon fodder.

[@prof.gunslinger2872]

@@KillerChickn if you’re talking about Chief, there’s more than a few things to keep in mind. One: He’s the main character. Plot armor. And secondly he is described as incredibly Lucky, or y’know Plot armor then there’s Cortana. His augmentations. His armor. Etc. Now I love Halo and Chief, but seriously. A lot of his feats shouldn’t have been that probable for one person even a Spartan.

[@theRadiator909]

I appreciate your honesty and transparency on asking for people to subscribe. Also very accurate lore which can be hard to find in an enjoyable and subtle style. Subscribed!

[@whataboutvietnam]

I’m going out on a limb here that it’s because John iced those three ODSTs in a gym that one time. RIP it was four

[@Born2beSPRA]

It’s like the military in the MCU. Youre still protecting your country but someone like captain America shows up and you become a side character in your own life

[@MajorMustang1117]

Kinda feels similar. I was a Paratrooper. Friend was a Recon Marine. Each of us were very proud of our training and how we performed when compared to regular line units that we may train or be around. But because neither of us were part of SOCOM (Green Berets, Rangers, Seals, Raiders, etc.) we never actually DID anything that regular line infantry didn't do. So we kinda despise SOCOM. Not the troops in it, but that we "specialized" units are now irrelevant.

[@1014p]

If you were irrelevant the division would not exist. That said cross training from SOCOM, was not aware it involved many branches. To me seems like double dipping, but it was not all of them and not many in total.

[@aaronrodden8121]

Force recon IS SOCOM operationally available and can be pulled under SOCOM in certain circumstances! Army rangers are the same! In fact, a few "units" are SOCOM compatible when the need arises for more man power, security and etc. they are just not "full-time" operators. Compare to the coast guard being under homeland security until the need arises and then the U.S. Navy takes control and for all intents and purposes they are a part of the U.S. Navy in its warfare activities.

[@nobodyimportant9127]

I was a grunt. All that anyone remembers about tangi valley is some seals died there.

[@xXbrokenvoidXx]

17:10 That's really hard to believe. A lot of those injuries are pretty life-threatening without immediate medial treatment. Getting shot in the legs, collapsed lungs, broken skulls from getting punched in the head???

[@Prehistoeif]

Pretty sure they had medics on standby.

[@xander.357]

Getting shot in the legs not so much. Miss the femoral and you can tourniquet above the wound and you'll be fine for atleast an hour or two

[@Ratkill9000]

Here's a question, how much of the books are really ONI propaganda? Then how much of the events are technically classified either as Top Secret or on a need to know basis?

[@CHgamer14]

Well the forunner books are actually in universe accounts from the ark about the time of the forunners that ONI found and made top secret

[@santiagomartin221]

The civilians know about the existance of the furerroners?(sorry i'm hispanic)

[@CHgamer14]

@@santiagomartin221 never worry about spelling bro am a native English speaker but have dyslexic so I can't spell stuff either. yes the public know a bit about the forerunners but they don't really know about the flood or ancient humanity. they only really have the basics of they were old and made big technological masterpieces thats sorta it. ONI don't want them knowing too much

[@npswm1314]

@@santiagomartin221 Several colonies were specifically made to excavate Forerunner artifacts and structures. So its likely the general populace is aware of their existence. But its likely that ONI is the only organization that knows the full extent of them as opposed to just knowing they existed. I mean...alien life isnt exactly a massive secret. The UNSC only freaked out because the Covenant attacked. Not because they were aliens. By that point, humanity had found hundreds of alien lifeforms.

[@ranger3576]

@@npswm1314 the big ape like aliens that you fight in the stealth mission with Jun and Reach are one of them

[@Spike-13]

I remember the ODSTs on installation 04 didn't like chief, especially Major Silva. Called him a freak of nature and called the SPARTAN project a failure.

[@TimeCircleBlue]

Never have I wanted to punch a fictional character so bad. John is pretty much suppressing Survivors Guilt the whole time he’s there, and Silva says that and not only rubs salt in the wound but also lit it on fire. Pretty sure the command structure thats hardwired into John’s brain and the all out crisis that was happening at the time was the only thing that saved Silva from being throttled in that moment.

[@Spike-13]

@@TimeCircleBlue I absolutely agree, couldn't have put it better myself

[@flame__7704]

So with john beating up the odst. It is on the odst that went to lift the weights for not checking the equipment first.

[@captin-crane3324]

And the ODST that became Spartans were some of the most terrifying soldiers on the BF

[@luriothelucario250]

*Coughs in spatants IV's are just worse versions of spatants III's and they're worse versions of spatants II's*

[@captin-crane3324]

@@luriothelucario250 well no s***. Spartan II where able to flip tanks without the Mjolnir armor. Later on the armor was cheapened and couldn’t preform like the original sets. Basically the armor would super enhance any physical action dialed past 10 to 50. But when a normal grunt put the armor on… we’ll it was a closed casket funeral. The armor was made for the Spartans, not vise versa. But ODST wore a slimed down version of the mjolnir armror. It was half the protection but it was lighter, and way better then anything they had.

[@TheCpadron19]

If you read the books, not all ODST's hated the Spartans. When Chief fights alongside them, they realize how much they need Spartans, and although they might not say it, they respect Chief. The only ones who hate them, are the ones who never got their ass saved by them.

[@TheClandestineFox]

I remember in ODST it said in Buck's description, "if he was any better, he'd have been a Spartan." And then in like Halo 4 or 5 he was in a Spartan unit and I was so proud of him XD

[@redcell9636]

I think this resentment by ODSTs and a lot of planetary PDF forces and UNSC Marines and Soldiers is the reason a lot of them signed up to the Spartan IV programme. Paying a large homage to the phrase; _If you can't beat 'em, join 'em_