Where the hell are the ODSTs!? | Lore and Theory

In this episode: We discuss a brief history of the ODSTs and just where the hell they've disappeared to since Halo Reach.
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[@winkoman3]

I'm surprised that ODSTs never really caught on in popular fiction or even in the Halo series post 343. The concept alone of an Orbital Drop Shock Trooper is one of the coolest things I've ever heard in my life.

[@winkoman3]

@@braydoxastora5584 40k predates halo, right? So you couldn't say that Halo ODSTs "caught on" with 40k

[@bruni5289]

What use do ODSTs have in the current era of Halo though? They were meant to fill the gap between the light infantry, the Marine and the heavy infantry, the Spartan Two and Spartan Three because humanity doesn't have the numbers of Spartans they needed. Now that we have the Spartan Four program we can mass produce our heavy infantry, and so the ersatz heavier infantry isn't necessary as much

[@bruni5289]

​@@winkoman3it does and 40k has the Elysian Drop Troops

[@winkoman3]

@bruni5289 that's great, it's entirely beside my point though.

[@winkoman3]

@bruni5289 one word: strategy. The ability to deploy a squad of elite shock troopers anywhere on a battlefield at any time. If Spartan IIIs can be deployed from orbit like that, that's great. I would consider them effectively Orbital Drop Shock Troopers at that point.

[@Rev_Goose]

What I hate is that they're actively in the current stories like Rubicon Protocol and Shadows of Reach, but we just never see them in game. It really wouldn't have been hard to just add in a few ODSTs into some of the marine squads in Infinite

[@McKillahGuerilla]

Yeah with Infinites open world and Valor system the final upgrade for marines at the FOBs should've been to ODSTs, or that could be a secret Easter egg challenge.

[@The.prophet.of.truth.]

Or as support that you can call like the weapons and vehicles in infinite.

[@smudge4331]

I believe we don’t see them anymore is because we’ve followed the UNSC Infinity since H4 which probably holds the highest concentration of Spartans in the entire UNSC and ODSTs are somewhat redundant. I imagine if we were to see more UNSC ships, stations, and bases separate from Infinity we’d see a lot more. (There probably some manual that says Infinity has a lot of ODSTs… in which idk)

[@Rev_Goose]

@@smudge4331 I think the Infinity had somewhere between hundreds-thousands around the time of Infinite and that was when they weren't operating at full capacity. I honestly think they were absent from H4 simply due to the fact that they wanted to focus on Chief and Cortana feeling cut-off and unsupported by Del Rio and so we really only have a few missions with marines and they also wanted to introduce the Spartan 4s in that game too. As for H5 I think they were absent just because the story was primarily around Osiris chasing Blue team and wasn't supposed to be a large unsc military campaign, otherwise we probably would've seen them. As for their absence in Infinite, I've got nothing, this is really the first game narratively that felt like they should've been there in some capacity

[@KeyboardTarantula]

maybe if we had gotten dlc... CURSE YOU MICROSOFT!

[@user-jl3jc5ce9e]

As a former American Paratrooper, I relate more to ODSTs in Halo more than a super soldier like the Master Chief. Just rigorous training and high expectations in performance of combat duties.

[@OscarOSullivan]

ODST’s are the direct descendants of our Special Forces in the Halo universe

[@metalworker14]

Thank you for your service! Badass 🤘

[@brianstabile165]

@@OscarOSullivannot really, there descended from Jump Jet Platoons during the mars-earth conflict which were pretty much airborne troops.

[@alexlyster3459]

I mean, I'd be surprised if you did relate more to the Chief than the ODSTs. Unless you were just THAT good 😅

[@cornchips2201]

nobody talks like that that did it, get a grip and stop pretending, why do you feel the need to lie about serving your government (not your country) ?

[@Voltaic_Fire]

It's hard to not like the ODST, they are the best of humanity but also the underdogs so you are obliged to care for and root for them.

[@redwiltshire1816]

I mean it’s also hard to love them when lazy book writing kills em off in the most boring way possible (if you know, you know)

[@Matt-md5yt]

@redwiltshire1816 agreed. Hate that type of writing. Same with just killing them off screen in general

[@Voltaic_Fire]

@@redwiltshire1816 Wish I didn't know, I was not happy when I found out.

[@redwiltshire1816]

@@Matt-md5yt exactly I’m fine with noble sixes death but killing the most beloved characters in halo in a book is just lazy

[@redwiltshire1816]

@@Voltaic_Fire wouldn’t be surprised if lock is dead in a book at some point

[@colinhand3868]

That live action ODST advert was amazing. ODST series like Clone Wars would be a must watch. Love your videos, great work

[@valkaerie8715]

You have no idea how much I want that now

[@kaifairclough211]

Man a clone wars style ODST show would be legendary

[@fruitypebs1868]

November black is a small group of vets on KZbin making a short series

[@Professorlicme8]

A kid tv show about odst would be such a waste. Live action would rule

[@OscarOSullivan]

ODST vs Rebels

[@rookie4582]

I find it just so heart warming how much we value ODSTs considering how Spartans are supposed to be the center of attentions. Especially in the 343i era. Also great story in the intro.

[@Tank50us]

It's kinda like why so many people in 40K care about the lolely Guardsman. Sure, many joke about them... but let's be honest for a second. A guardsman, even one as tough as a Catachan Jungle Fighter, or as stoic as a Kriegsman, you can sit down, have a conversation with, and share an MRE with. You can't really do that with an Astartes. Just as you can't really do that with a Spartan. But a Marine or or ODST? They'll tell ya the best place on their homeworld to get a steak, a beer, and a night of happiness.... or maybe all three in the same conversation.

[@rookie4582]

@@Tank50us Could only wish we could get interaction like that. Like how you mention of the MREs too haha

[@Matt-md5yt]

​@@Tank50us agreed, guard is more real world like than space marines. More human.

[@Gyrfalcon312]

​@@Tank50us Aye.

[@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19 If you’re are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations

[@knightofarnor2552]

My hot take about Rakshasa armor is that rather than being yet another "budget MJOLNIR" option, it should have been the step between a normal BDU and the real power armor, designed for unaugmented personnel. Like an early attempt at giving energy shields to ODSTs. I got this idea at the start of Infinite Season 5, after seeing all the people who put the ODST helmet on Rakshasa.

[@ethan-qm8gu]

That would be interesting

[@hiddendesire3076]

I mean, even the concept art of Rakshasa showed exposed fingers on a number of the glove designs, along with some non-helmets including a facemask and beret combo that sadly never was used.

[@saltytroopa6578]

Whoops I’m one of many who did the odst x rakshasa combo😅

[@Alex567283]

I think we all did, lol. It's just one of the most iconic, well designed helmets.@@saltytroopa6578

[@trashjash]

Ignore the silly parts of 343i lore, embrace what sounds in line with the Halo universe and cool to yourself. I pretty much chalked up Rakshasa armor as something akin to a beefed up ODST kit just due to how it looks. The helmet that Dinh wears also sorta resembles an ODST helmet, but stylized with the painted teeth around the visor and reinforced with additional plating and systems.

[@cjclark1208]

ODTS are loved because they fit the bill for a elite grizzled commando or pathfinder paratrooper unit that’s highly effective when deployed.

[@OscarOSullivan]

They pretty much are paratroopers and are closer to the SAS

[@RiksGamingChannel]

The ODST's are by far my favorite UNSC trooper, and H3 ODST was one of my favorite shooters. It's why I always wear at the very least the ODST helmet whenever I can in a Halo game, and I hope we eventually get them in a triumphant return to the forefront in Halo games someday.

[@Matt-md5yt]

The helmet design is my top 3 favorite

[@RiksGamingChannel]

@@Matt-md5yt the Infinite Mark V (B) version is by far the most beautifully modeled ODST helmet in any Halo game

[@OscarOSullivan]

In Reach my armour was ODST my favourite

[@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19 If you’re are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations

[@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool]

@@OscarOSullivan🐪

[@goldzior1128]

Something notable at the start of Infinite is when Chief has the Pelican's onboard AI do a perimeter scan for UNSC personnel. It shows numerous ODST tags that all said DECEASED. It's possible nearly all ODSTs from the Infinity died. Especially so if even the Spartan 4 population has been reduced.

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

It would make sense, second to ship's security/masters at arms and gunners mates and the marines aboard they are THE primary experts at ship to ship infantry combat as a shock warfare operations group. They are tough as nails, armed to the same level as a marine weapons platoon, trained to a level that'd make DEVGRU blush, and the closest equivalent to the SEALs/Green Berets the UNSCDF has to throw at a problem requiring such operators. In open warfare on a defensive arena cross hundreds if not thousands of klicks on a shield world, low on supplies, low on ammunition, hunted, fighting on hard terrain, reduced in capability, trying to get survivors collected, doing risky hit and run ops, having safeholds and firebases raided, prisoners taken and brutalized by the banished? Yeah, along with the S-IV's they were primarily target number 2 behind the chief and everyone thought Atriox ohk'd the chief on Infinity; so the banished took that as open season. I remember those KIA tags too and it makes sense. Sure the IV's made day to day ops for the Banished a living irritation, but the troopers mowing down the lower level troops was probably something seen as a threat to be curb stomped. Taking them out would make things hard to almost borderline for the grunts trying to survive that were still spread out and cut off. With the troopers gone, the banished could them mop up the rest and focus more on eliminating the IV's still around.

[@chaosbringer9007]

In Rubicon Protocol the ODST are around Zeta, with the remaining UNSC forces keeping track of each other through the use of FOBs keeping up a scoreboard of sorts. Most notable unit in the book was a group of ODSTs called Gravediggers/walkers I forgot, but they did really well when it came to blowing up banished supplies. So they're around in Halo Infinite, why 343 decided not to include them again, it annoys me.

[@shauntempley9757]

Most likely on a different section of the Ring, and most likely on a section with Captain Lasky.@@chaosbringer9007

[@ParagonFury]

At least as far as Infinite is concerned; according to Rubicon Protocol there weren't a lot of ODSTs present on the section of ring where the game takes place to begin with, a lot of them went on higher risk missions/raids and likely didn't survive and I believe that by the end of Rubicon Protocol there might actually only be like 2 squads of ODSTs left (including "Hatriox" Squad who were causing a lot of problems for the Banished). In fact if we go by Rubicon Protocol there majority of "Marines" you recruit/help in Infinite may not even be Marines but civilian crew members using salvaged Marine equipment.

[@moloney0218]

I would love to play halo infinite: odst as hatriox, in the same type style as odst, that would be amazing

[@redwiltshire1816]

So why aren’t any of them wearing salvaged broken pieces or odst I know for a fact if I was left on my own upgrades would be a high priority

[@StedNark]

I thought the ODST squad was tombstone or something like that. Hatriox was just another marine squad on the leaderboard.

[@ryatt9365]

⁠@@StedNark Yeah the ODST squad (or at least one of them) was called the Gravediggers.

[@NathanVZeds2]

@@redwiltshire1816 i think probably it’s cause the odst armor is pretty high tech and the banished probably salvaged it and scraped it like the unsc vehicles

[@gpsoldier9462]

Speaking of ODSTs I often think about the fallen odsts you come across when playing through Cairo station and their efforts in defending the station.

[@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool]

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19 If you’re are in North America, please go check out any of the churches available to you: PCA, OPC, Rpcna/Rpc, Urcna, or a canrc church (These are conservative and actual Presbyterian churches) If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms Lutheran church If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland and the APC. (Different from the Church of Scotland) If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England (Different from the Church of England) Also online you can look up church finders for each of the groups, it will show you locations

[@omarcj789]

In a drop pod hearing jazz music in the rain

[@Mr.Mushroom.]

Halo 3 odst was my introduction to the halo games. It will always have a special place in my heart

[@gideonevans9717]

Same

[@OscarOSullivan]

Same here

[@seara038]

I remember my first time playing Halo Infinite and seeing that marines with better gear were part of the unlock tree and immediately thinking, “Oh, ODSTs are going to be are near the end of the tree, probably around like the scorpion or something.” And when I looked at the full tree, all I felt was there was a missed opportunity.

[@azemov2847]

I don’t like how in recent games it doesn’t feel like a humanity effort anymore in older Halos even in Halo 4 we had support from all aspects of the UNSC Navy, Air force, Army, and Marines but since Halo 5 and even in Infinite which had Marines but they didn’t really matter to the plot. they’re just non existent. I always thought this was a factor to why Spartan IVs are not really liked. They just get too much of the spot light. I miss them.

[@slimnerek]

I agree. It felt like a actual war with the initial trilogy. Everyone doing their lil part to help Chief accomplish his goals. These newer games are just the Spartans/chief running around dogging everyone out in every way.

[@randomusernameCallin]

I don't hate that they aded Crossing Rubicon to Halo but I would like to see more normal troops. I did like the pilot in Halo Infinite. It is great seeing someone that is not in the military steping up and having a larger role.

[@OscarOSullivan]

@@randomusernameCallinHe probably was an ex UNSC pelican pilot

[@randomusernameCallin]

@@OscarOSullivan He said he was not a pilot and not even a soldier.

[@OscarOSullivan]

@@randomusernameCallin Then how did he have UNSC body armour and a Pelican

[@DeWellstein]

Since the Bungie days have gone, presence of various UNSC units has been utterly lacking. Which is sad, as fighting among your AI buddies, has always been one of the best things in Halo.

[@sofaking1627]

I've got a similar story during the midnight launch. I walked up to the local gamestop and stood in the rain, then ran home and played the game all night. The first time Buck said "What can I say, it was one hell of a night" hit home so hard when I had stayed up all night playing till the sun came up.

[@amdkillaplays]

Maybe we will see ODSTs being involved in the defense/recapture of the Infinity if its ever explained where she went. Fighting through an alien held city sized ship, with Roland as the AI instead of the Superintendent, letting us follow clues to unlock what happened. Sounds like a great Halo Infinite: ODST

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

Ooh this sounds amazing. The environments might be a bit boring though. Banished starting to turn the ship into their own might asd to the variety though.

[@Unchainedful]

It’s confirmed Infinity blew up. There are no personnel alive in the infinity. The debris you see all over Zeta is from the Infinity.

[@amdkillaplays]

@Unchainedful Where was it confirmed? Halopedia has it listed as "presumed destroyed". I would imagine a lot of that debris came from the Halo itself, the 10 Strident/Anlace class frigates, and the Banished ships that would have fallen in the battle against the Infinity. Either way they would have lost a huge amount of the crew considering the number of KIA Friend or Foe tags we see in the intro.

[@amdkillaplays]

@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 Could be an interesting way to reintroduce the flood. Its scary enough facing them in almost impenetrable armour, let alone as just a human

[@badcopnodonut08]

Good idea. But it's 343. They won't, because you've already proven you're infinitely better at storytelling than ANYONE they have employed.

[@revant2138]

So happy to see you talk about this, me and my halo crew all complain about this, we check every soldier in hopes of finding one but never do! Free the ODST's!!!

[@MTG_Midtiergaming]

I just played through ODST with my wife and I love that game. It would be incredible if they gave us an ODST 2 and expand on their lore and story.

[@danicalifornia505]

Super wish that there was another ODST game. So many hours and so many times but so much fun.

[@_Wizzo]

I'd absolutely loved an ODST 2 whilst 343 are working on the next mainline Halo game. One that brings them back, which would then go onto tie into them returning in the next mainline game. Great video mate!

[@egcarbone2410]

Hey Wizz!

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

Would have to be a different team of ODSTs, though. Our favorite ODSTs are now either dead or SIVs.

[@badcopnodonut08]

Good idea, 343 make a game with good worldbuilding and storytelling. Next, convince EA to not be a shit publisher. Since we're asking for the impossible.

[@ryancarver1131]

Anytime Installation00 uploads, instant like! Keep up the great work man, I love your lore explanations!

[@michaelthayer5351]

Yeah Spartan-IVs really filled ODST's shoes. But it seems like the Spartan-IV program was just the harbinger for the real goal of augmentation to Spartan-IV equivalent of all enlisted UNSC personnel probably around the 2570s-80s. Then we could possibly get ODST Spartans who have the same enhanced training and combat role but also benefit from Mjolnir armor and physical augmentation because there's only so far grit, determination, and training can take you when your enemies are all 7-8 foot tall slabs of muscle and power armor.

[@V7I-theseventhsector]

I want an ODST story where you plan as an ODST and at the hight of the game you are backed agents the wall and are about to be killed when all of a sudden a spartan comes in and absolutely destroys the foe you where facing, when you play as a spartan you don't see how powerful they are and can be as much as in the comics, I want to see that in game I want to see a spartan come in and fight along side one to see them from an angle we have never seen from in a game before.

[@Gyrfalcon312]

Hell yeah, good story idea!

[@Nick317317]

I would love to see a more "survival" type game where the player is an ODST with their squad trying to rebuild after a Guardian EMPed a world. Would be interesting if it was similar to H3:ODST where it might start off with some more linear missions and open up to more open world as the colony rebuilds

[@OscarOSullivan]

I think that would be wonderful plus give ODST’s,Marines, Army troopers and Army airborne different camo uniforms for different environments and Frogman ODST’s and Army Airborne.

[@crimsonquill4255]

Oooh, not only an awesome lore video, but another creator pushing November Black! I cannot wait for that short film, it looks so good, and the lore content is really good to discuss too. I definitely would like some more small scale stories involving the ODSTs and Marines, something more dangerous and to remind us of what the soldier at ground zero experiences. There's an awesome fanfic from years ago called "Enemy of my Enemy" by Katsuhiro that has a group of ODSTs among the defenders of an outer colony led by an Irishman named Murphy. In that fic, they're treated as the best of the best, and watching them fight from the perspective of a pilot or a marine is awe inspiring. So when the Post-Schism army starts dropping them, you know that it's gone to Hell in a handbasket.

[@Spartan-Ben-204]

I miss them so much.

[@emilefoxhall3155]

I really loved the ODST models used in Halo 2 anniversary. They were badass

[@zachnelson3555]

How about a story about the 7 dead odsts that we find on delta halo Each odst can be found at different points in the mission and I am fascinated by this because each odst is found progressively closer to the structure in the center of the lake so what happened? Its something I feel is worth talking about

[@glottoverse9380]

"Develop their proprietary product before focusing on smaller side projects..." I think what modding has shown me in recent history is that they probably don't have to work as hard as they think they do. HaloReachEngine + ODSTAssets + NewLocations(Hardest part) + NewStory = done

[@DSlyde]

I have loved ODSTs since that drop Delta Halo in 2. Spartans and the Chief are great, but there is something so compelling about a regular human going feet first into the hell that is the Human-Covenant war. And the elements they so obviously drew from one of my favourite sci-fi books as a kid just made me appreciate them more.

[@gamma1235]

Idk, I might be the odd one out here but if we had to have any spinoff games with ODSTs and marines, I would personally love to see a game around two or three different era's of Halo History: - The Rainforest Wars - The martian campaign (which like you stated 00 is the first official formation and deployment of the UNSC Marines, including the ODSTs) - A campaign before the UNSC was founded in where we take on the role of the precursor to the ODSTs and or the precursor to the UNSC Marine Corps.

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

The Jovian Moons Campaign which was a part of the Rainforest Wars concurrently running at the same time as the Interplanetary Wars would also be something to possibly explore.

[@pigpig252]

I'm seeing a lot of ODST-based content and talk on the internet recently, love to see it

[@toofastnobrakes]

Lore wise, I think it would be fitting if ODST’s started being outfitted with modernized SPI armor. In kind of a trickle down affect.

[@theyautja3606]

I think Helldivers 2 definitely makes a case for how much mass appeal ODST-like soldiers have. Hopefully, 343 strikes while the iron is hot.

[@badcopnodonut08]

They won't. That would require them to come up with an interesting story.

[@Badger_Actual]

Helljumper! Helljumper! Where have ya been?! Jumpin down to Reach and back again! Helljumper! Helljumper! Who have ya killed? Innies, brutes, and jackals too!

[@MVVibes-tr7hd]

This video is so well pieced together and the intro was so captivating and nostalgic. Thank you for sharing this and you have earned a new subscriber!🙌🏽💯✨💫

[@user-mw6ib8qo8j]

Your intro captured my feelings exactly when i was a kid. Here i am, playing THE master chief, and all i really wanted was to be an ODST.

[@JohnArceane]

The comment about putting together a smaller substudio to do a side project immediately made me think of the recently-released Assassin's Creed Mirage. Mirage was built on the last game's version of the AC engine and started in the concept phase as DLC for that game, and the studio responsible, Ubisoft Bordeaux, begged for the chance to make a standalone game when they began to see the potential of what they were doing. Two years later, they released Mirage, which is genuinely the closest Ubisoft has gotten to a stealth focused 'Assassin Fantasy' since 2014's AC Unity released. It's not as popular with the mainline gaming community, but for fans of core Assassin's Creed it pretty much hit nail on head unanimously. Now, take that philosophy and apply it to the functionally sound gameplay of Halo Infinite. Yes, 343 is hurting for help right now; all the more reason to put out a bulletin that the company is seeking fulltime employment for a new Halo game. Sequester a substudio of people who love the core of what makes Halo special and give them 16-24 months to create a small-scale, traditionally styled campaign adventure with any number of characters, from a new team of ODSTs to Alpha-Nine as SPARTAN-IVs or even the S-IVs in Rubicon Protocol, slot in Firefight or even just do the thing that makes the most sense and make it standalone DLC for Halo Infinite.

[@juzzi137]

What I find shameful, is that the human and Elite alliance is basically absent if not forgotten completely. One would have expected that story to become much larger, but unfortunately nothing. We just have stories where it is the exact same as in Halo Combat Evolved.

[@poprocket2342]

The odsts would make such a good goal point for something like an Xcom style turn based tactical strategy game. Using stealth, hit and run and squad tactics to separate and pick off covenant forces. Maybe they could license smaller "war stories", spin off games set before and during the human covenant war during the established lore to explore less covered times, battles and aspects of the war and let 343 focus on carrying on Chief's story

[@tiptap2352]

You mentioned it being good to feel vulnerable in Halo stories sometimes and it's always a good feeling to hear someone say exactly what you're thinking. I ran a Halo Tabletop Campaign recently where I had the players roll Human Civilian gangsters on an outer colony. They enjoyed the tension that came from being so vulnerable in combat just fighting other humans let alone when the planet ended up getting glassed. By the end, the players saw one of the final boss characters (who the group made amends with) get killed by an Elite Minor. That really cemented the sheer power of the Covenant in their eyes and they bailed from the planet as soon as possible.

[@Wzrd8]

To this day I am disappointed that ODST wasn't a tactical rainbow type shooter instead of ur halo guy without shields now.

[@badcopnodonut08]

Go find a cod mod with halo assets.

[@inductivegrunt94]

I really want to see ODSTs again. Last time we saw them in a game was Halo Wars 2. We need ODST 2, even when it most likely won't be Alpha-9 as the playable squad. It wouldn't really matter to me, just that we get that gritty ground feel that we had on New Mombasa again, even if for just one more round.

[@strandy4256]

Holy cow,, that shift into November Black. It just stated and I’m hyped

[@Machobanaenae]

4 minutes in and man what a great intro! You just earned yourself a sub! What a great story and description of the ODSTs. You perfectly surmised what made this game unique and beautiful. 10/10 good sir.

[@TheNighteater]

As cool as the ODSTs are, with the advent of the Spartan-IVs, logistically it doesn't make much sense to continue to invest in training for them. You let currently operating unit continue and consolidate as they retire, supplementing with the 4s. I certainly hope we get more ODST stories, but I really believe that as the Halo timeline progresses, they will slowly fade out, much like calvary in our own history.

[@alphacraig4784]

They will only fade out when Spartan 4s or( 5s?) Are able to be so abundant they are not needed anymore which is probably not gonna be for a long time considering how regressed the UNSC is going to be given the Infinity is (maybe) destroyed or out of action and Sydney (cradle of the UNSC) is wiped off the map. Galaxy is in a power vacuum due to the Created

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

There is far too few IVs to warrant just ditching ODSTs. They are far too expensive to replace an entire type of infantry. ODSTs are far cheaper and easier to train and replace than Spartans. Maybe they start augmenting ODSTs and giving them SPI armor much further down the line, but I imagine they will just fold ODSTs into the Spartan Branch at that point.

[@tristanbackup2536]

Agree. Given how military evolution works, they will be faded out in-canon. Don't mean we can't go back & make prequel stories about them during the Covenant war.

[@wet_weather_imp]

I think you and many others keep forgetting that there aren’t many S-IV’s. There are only a couple thousand S-IV’s compared to the millions of ODST’s still around. Even if S-IV’s are more effective than ODST’s, they are too few to fully replace them.

[@Bolt451]

I still want to see a revouloution ark after this current one where the angered colonies who were already rebeling are finally able to strike at the broken unsc and we have to see chief and the other spartans react to it and if said story were to get messy both rebeling and staying loyal ODST's would be good to see the battles of the individual oppressed planets.

[@truth9958]

ODST will always be my favorite halo game, next to the first but that's mostly nostalgia. The atmosphere of the city at night as you make your way through town, outnumbered and alone aginst enemies who are without a doubt stronger than you and will jump at the chance you murderize you. Fantastic.

[@Robocopnik]

It's neat how right out the gate, they're the bad guys, but everybody loves them because they're so tacti-cool.

[@M4xH4xCentaurus]

Isn't it also kind of canonised that they were turning all of the ODSTs into Spartan 4s? I would guess there's still normal ODSTs around, ofc. But I would expect a lot of them having gone through the Spartan Program by now too

[@KeyboardTarantula]

I hate spartan 4's. at least how they are portrayed. if they were just different replacements treated as NOT spartans, then ok, but they talk like civilians, act like marines and pretend they are spartans. it's NOT cool. if they were just odst's but with energy shielding, sure, i'd be happy, but they straight up made living action figures. that's what they feel like. not people. and they are held in regards to 2's and 3's, which SHOULD NEVER BE THE CASE. it nerfs the lore of 2's and 3's, while making 4's feel like copouts.

[@mekboy7403]

Some did try to become Spartans but most don't pass selection. Its still a very expensive process so they are very picky on who gets through so theres only about 500 IV's and still tens of thousands of ODST's.

[@M4xH4xCentaurus]

@@KeyboardTarantula well... if you read the books, that's EXACTLY the way they are viewed. An upgrade to normal marines, because now they don't have to use children anymore. Where as the S2s and S3s are still regarded as super-soldiers in comparison to them. Hence the Halo 5 fight scene between Locke and MC. He didn't even break a sweat

[@KeyboardTarantula]

@@M4xH4xCentaurus yeah, I wish I could get the books, but im broke. also, social interaction isn't my strong suit. Mjoulnir Mk.V is. also, chief broke a visor. not a sweat, but still.

[@Richard_Frost]

Feet first

[@lelandgrubson2736]

into hell

[@parapotato]

The Rookie getting KIA in the background is such a blow. It really feels like they are trying to emphasis that 343 is the Spartan company that tells Spartan stories in Spartanland. Why would you want to know about the little people?

[@greldikvaskupalah2009]

I kinda want Halo Infinite to have an ODST campaign where the protagonist (customized ODST) leads an effort to free captive marines and retake another section of the ring.

[@PikaJayMason]

Another one of 343's writing mistakes is leaving out the awesome Helljumpers.

[@Gat720Dua]

Kinda similar to HiddenXperia's Elite video, both of you want Halo to explore more stories that isn't Chief or Spartan centric. I 100% agree on this one, even though I'm a Master Chief fan and an overall fan of the Spartans, the Halo universe is vast with lore that can span millions of years. If Mario can get away with being a 3D collect-a-thon, a puzzle game, an RPG, what's stopping Halo doing a similar thing?

[@jingle9691]

The reason I love the ODSTs is that they're the best humanity can be through discipline and training only, no fancy armour, no fancy physical augmentations, no genetic advantages. They could have chosen any career but they've chosen all by themselves to be the best warriors they could make themselves, training harder and more often than any other non augmented human.

[@Mister_Matthew]

I just played all the halos again, and I never noticed that they were in the old games 😢 it was a great revelation

[@Zenghilios]

Fantastic video man! Hyped for November 1 👀

[@illyasvielvoneinzbern5570]

I always fail NN November when I remember the ODSTs. Glad you gave a little nod to that struggle at the end.

[@TrepidDestiny]

Fanbase: We want more stories about marines, and ODSTs! 343i: More Spartans, got it.

[@TrepidDestiny]

In fact, now that I think about it, Marines took a backseat once 343i took over. Halo 4 had no memorable Marines or ODSTs, not even memorable voices/voice lines. Halo 5 I don't recall as seeing a single marine. Then Halo Infinite HAS marines, but none of them are actual characters. No Johnsons. No Bucks. No Mickeys. No Dutchs. You pilot isn't even a marine! He's a civillian contractor!

[@badcopnodonut08]

Homie. How did you not realize how bad 343 were after 4?

[@TrepidDestiny]

@@badcopnodonut08What about what I said made you think I didn't realize they were bad? I can still play bad games.

[@Lawgamer411]

It’s so funny because ODST’s are arguably more popular than ever, with cross core helmets showing that every dude is using Firefall or the ODST helmet, the OST of H3 ODST consistently being brought up, etc, and yet 343 doesn’t do anything with it. Oh yeah… the Dave and busters arcade game. Sweet.

[@berg450]

ODSTs remind me so much of how mobile suits are used in Gundam, they often drop to Earth from space in either pods or solo to launch attacks, very similar to how ODSTs are deployed

[@MichaelOlmeda-ch2uf]

Man the amount of side stories that could be adapted into a game is unreal. Even on the alien side of things. Games that explored the covenant relationships between the alien races that have been inducted, a sangheli game. Sooo much content just sitting in outter space.

[@Tank50us]

Ya know, an ODST game in the same style of Ghost Recon Wildlands would be awesome if you ask me. Just picture this: You are a squad of ODSTs sent to quietly pacify a rebel group on a backwater planet. While on this world, you hear... whispers of something going on. Something huge. But it's off-world, and you've got a job to do. As your team of ODSTs quietly cut through the rebel forces, you start to piece together a larger plot from the Rebelion, which you act to put a stop to. But then, just when you finish off the Rebel forces... the Covenant show up... And now your fight is no longer to pacify the rebels, but to get as many civilians as you can off-world. You make the call: So long as there is one civilian left on this world, your team isn't leaving. The remaining rebels, once your enemies, now your allies, decide to redeem themselves. They will fight this battle with you. 50yrs later, a team sent to rebuild discovers a device. It contains all of the recordings. The mission reports. Everything. The team member that finds this decides to write a book detailing the lives of the ODSTs, Marines, PDF, and Rebels. You sacrificed everything for the people of this world. And now, decades after the fall, your story is finally told.

[@mbell9995]

Totally agreed. Good video!! Do you have a video about your other ideas of side story ideas?

[@UrbanR0S3]

I remember (and still have) a drawing i made of a ODST helmet, i still love the ODST's to this day

[@lastman320]

Watching this video had me think, why not make our own stories. I’d love to take a gander of making stories of a squadron of ODST strike forces and the different stuff they face off against. I’d just need to dig into the lore of planets, lore, and characteristics ideas to make said strike forces

[@Machtri343]

The flashing in a lot of the B-roll in the first half of the video and the live-action ODST segment was frequent enough (along with the difference in "luminance" between frames being strong enough) that I would either put a small flashing warning or, in future videos, try to space out segments of video/b-roll that might have a lot of flashing (stuff like glitchy ambiance or closeup gunfire) wherever would be reasonable. Was otherwise a fantastic video, and I loved your story about buying Halo 3: ODST when it first came out :D

[@Rocket66380]

When odst drop we can see at a little moment the In amber clad follow the class 5 spaceship jump in the subspace portal 🥹 I love this saga since CE, it have a special place in my heart 🦾

[@michaelsolomon3496]

Did you ever play Halo Fire team Raven? It follows an ODST squad (the game's namesake of course) during the events on installation 04 in Halo C.E. it's quite fun and given how much you obviously like the ODSTs you'd probably really enjoy it

[@xclam8]

I would love to get a squad.of the boys in dave and busters to partake in this gem

[@CyanPoro12]

Bro, as i'm hearing this video it si raining outside i feel so immersed!

[@musictorin]

ODST's casually being the coolest sci-fi soldier uncontested since 2004

[@CharlieO_]

So very glad I found this on October 31st. I promise to wait the 1 hour until Nov 1st patiently and faithfully. Great channel. Keep it up. The thing about the economy of war is that the cheaper things tend to get used more often than the expensive things - NOT 'unless' they are effective, but DESPITE of their shortcomings when the net effect is more of 'them' dead than us or, almost anytime a bean counter can find any efficiency or financial model to keep them. ODSTs are a far cry from cheap or marginal, but they do so much more for the UNSC than any variant of Spartan, because they have been slowly gaining operational development momentum for decades now. Just like the US Marines of today, ODSTs can expect to be disbanded and forgotten about if peace is ever achieved - and then called ba k up when needed. The only reason to do something scary to the franchise would by if they decided to can them out of a need do drama. Hopefully, when I wake up, there will be something to look forward to.

[@MooreShots__]

Search for November black. We have released our live action odst pilot

[@bboyx2456]

The fact you played it at night your first time that's a experience fr especially I hope I grow old asf booting up a 360 with my grandkids calling me old AF n 2082 with my 70 + year old game

[@hightechredneck6017]

I thnk a series that gives the back story of the back story. The story of everything building up to the invention of the slipspace drives and the exspansion of mankind to the stars. And then the story of Dr. Halsey and her life growing up and becoming who she became. This is a series that I really feel ,would really be awesome to see told and how it unfolded

[@mistertestsubject]

Halo 3: ODST is always going to by my favourite halo game overall. The tone of it is just perfect. So lonely you almost feel relieved when you have an enemy contact...

[@richardkim3652]

My theory is they all became Spartan 4s and the rest retired. Also when you said "Queue the outro" a ad popped up and I thought that was funny lol.

[@newbiegain117]

In fact. In the battle of new Mombasa, a total of 69 ODST perished compared to the marine core.

[@macauley6954]

Great return to form brother!

[@sircrimsonwolf7492]

Having a elite, ODST soldier as a side character that fights, along with the master chief, would be interesting, especially if he becomes as likable as the legendary Sergeant Johnson. Perhaps even this ODST dude could be like a son figure for the master chief.

[@chrisvoss8405]

Wow, what a great gaming memory! Super cool

[@kilijanek]

I wish we could play through Harvest campaign as ODST squad members. With some missions seeing support from Spartan-II (an almost invincible character), joining squad mission temporary. Then Sigma Octanus IV, Cote-di-Azure... Arcadia campaign! Or Alpha Corvi II... When we first engage as ODSTs with Insurrectionists on first 1-3 missions, then cutscenes switch narrative to cooperation against Covenant threat. So much lore, so many stories.

[@kloveda5]

I always LOVED the ODST troops. They harken back to paratroopers in WWII. 100% believe they need a game like Infinite/Far Cry but playing as an ODST. The idea of being behind enemy lines, outnumbered, outgunned, trying to survive using the hit and run tactics, knowing when to break off combat just sounds appealing.

[@soulshock1328]

What I would really like to see, in terms of the newer Halo games, is for the ODST’s to be much more integral. In the books they are constantly around the Master Chief, and he is very aware of not only their presence, but also their fragility. So something I would like to see is a battle that Chief is clearly losing, not just to the overall plot but also to the player. And I would like to see the ODST’s save him, perhaps everything going wrong and then you start seeing squads of them either dropping into the fight or joining in the fight. He’s always portrayed as caring about them, and it would be an interesting narrative to see them doing the same, to me anyways

[@gagebritton8695]

I went to the midnight launch as well when Play N' Trade had been a thing. Lol I love the ODSTs to there are like Halo's version of Marine Corps MARSOC, also known as Marine Raiders.

[@MonkeSkin]

It’d be cool to see a game on that one odst squad from halo legends. Maybe some more back story on the characters

[@JARV9701]

I still feel bad that they killed the Rockie like that, in a novel, executed and not even mentioned in Halo 5. ODST was my first Halo game (owned, I played Halo 3 from the beginning) so I grew attached to the ODSTs even more than to Master Chief, I really liled their armour and the scenery of the game. 343 could get a lot of praise if they use what they have at their disposal, even low risk, no real necessity for high stakes, just another regular human trying to survive the war with the covenant, banished or Forerunners, we all loved Halo Reach, ODST, Wars and other fanmade game/mods, just give us something official,reuse assets, models from previous games.

[@revvingnoodle7192]

I still think that ODST sequels and the spartan headhunters be some sweet spot for more stories and be there causing some havoc that officially don't exist and be covered in black ink by part of ONI

[@Newa113]

The “normal humans in extraordinary circumstances” is the same reason I like the Imperial guard in 40k.

[@Ashkiimon]

When he asked first "Where the hell are the ODST's?" I automatically yelled "FEET FIRST!" without meaning too

[@soulvagabond9655]

ODST's I honestly love more than the Spartans themselves. The day I get an ODST tattoo is the day I get my favorite one.

[@Wushaaa]

I would love a semi-tactical shooter, while keeping the themes and gameplay style of Halo that is about a team of ODST'S fighting the insurgents before the Human-Covenant war. In a era where their armour, weapons, drop-pods all are the same as we know, but its grounded. Human vs Human, no aliens or forerunners. They could tell a really grounded, realistic and emotional story which I think would be incredible.

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

The entire Halo show should be built around ODSTs with Master Chief making brief appearances.

[@pert1172]

I’d love to see bullfrogs from reach to return or mention them more because there were with Nobel six in exodus

[@1Loftwing1]

They’re probably dead tbh

[@JMKGalaxy2]

The ODSTs were like "yeah we are too cool to go down with the Halo franchise dumpster fire". "We outta here". Then they went to Hell Divers.

[@hightimes5052]

An ODST game where the main character is a new character in the ODST’s who were on the infinity. Your now on the ground with your squad, and the other survivors, marines / ODST / Spartans are fighting off the banished on the ring before chief arrives.

[@Dudejack91]

Thank you! Halo 3 ODST is in my top three favorite video games.