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[@WilliamAGould]

Palpatine's greatest mistake was lying to Vader by telling Vader he had killed Padme. With the lie, Vader stopped being a Sith Lord and become a monster of the dark side. A Sith Lords to be a master of the force and all those around him or her, to break away their chains. In a way a Sith Lord seeks to be a tyrant to all others to be freedom for him or herself. Believing he killed Padme, Vader turned all his rage into himself. This is was truly twisted him from a monster that could not be reasoned with. In a form of mental self-flagellation he believed he should suffer as greatly as possible, and because he suffered, everyone around him should suffer. This is why he did not upgrade his cybernetics, or seek to heal his body. Vader can to view unrestrained pain and rage as the pure expressions of the darkside. Where as a Sith Lord views passion and power in measured by one's skill in the darkside as the pure expression of the darkside. Vader believe in piling more mental chains on himself, where a Sith Lord would seek to break all their chain, both physical and mental. This is why when Vader found out the truth about Luke, he started to stop hating himself because he realized that Palpatine had lied to him. Though, while much of Vader's rage had diminished some, with that rage replaced with near fanatic zeal to capture his son. Combined with two decades of bad habits, no one realize noticed the change under the armor. This is why he spared the imperial officer at the end of Empire Strikes Back, after Luke, Leia, and others escaped Cloud City. Vader was running on desperation and was to emotionally drained to feel like killing one. Also, it was clear through the Empire Strike Back, Vader was killing his officers out of more sadistic humor, than anger.

[@dommyboi6926]

This was great to read, lot of effort put in and It pays 👏

[@WilliamAGould]

@@dommyboi6926 Thank you.

[@darrenpotts910]

Excellent.

[@vitorpereira9515]

Talk about Vergere. She is criminally underrated.

[@chrishealton3830]

Anakin was a poor Jedi and a poor Sith because he was born to become something more than either. He wasn’t cut out to toe the line.

[@LincolnVincent]

This all feels like a result of Palpatine's method of corrupting Anakin. In the end technically Anakin only really desired the power to bring back Padme, not the power to dominate like a Sith. Palpatine failed to get that spark burning for Vader. He never really motivated Vader to be more. This probably even was intentional because Palpatine sought to become the sole ruler of the galaxy. Him establishing his rule of one only encourages this. Palpatine himself never knew or trained his apprentices to replace him as he wanted to stay on forever.

[@michaelpoulosjr.2249]

Very true if you look at Vader’s 2 predecessors, neither one of them could have become powerful enough to defeat Sidious. Maul was very much an enforcer similar to Vader, and Dooku, while very powerful in the force himself, held too strongly to his own political ideals and just saw joining the Sith as a means to that end. Palpatine purposely chose apprentices who he knew wouldn’t possess the level of curiosity or drive to seek ancient Sith knowledge and studying the Dark Side to the degree he did.

[@clownplayer7265]

It's precisely what leads to Palpatine's demise. For Palpatine, everybody is desiring to become the top dog, or at least that's how he sees fit. The rebellion sparked not because of "top dogs" contenders but because his harsh control freak desires in the shape of the empire made people hate him. The reason why Luke didn't get corrupted was because he could see beneath what the dark side does to his mind and didn't want to succumb like the father he tries to save out of love. And the reason why Vader never fully embraced the sith was because he only embraced the dark side as tool and never as the objective itself. Sidious' manipulations only work as long as he's already in a situation of advantage, in a situation of offerings and exchanges or by taking advantage of obvious emotional turmoils. But at his core he could never understand people's complexities at all and died because he couldn't even predict Vader's love for his own son gave him the strength to finally kill him. He only cared for Anakin's potential power but never realized his manipulation ticked off the wrong buttons.

[@GGBlaster]

For Sidious, people were the means, and power was the end. For Vader/Anakin, power was the means, and people were the end.

[@dankdynamic5832]

Haha good one

[@carycomic1954]

Yet, for 20 years, they were both just differently-named sides of the same two-headed coin. 😞

[@carycomic1954]

@@dankdynamic5832 Thank you! 🙂

[@Vakaria-plays]

No one was worse for the rule of 2 than Sidious since he planned on letting the sith die out with him and never allow anyone to become the new master.

[@christophercawley5208]

Yep he sure did both maul and duuku we never trained in a way that would give them enough power to over throw there master which is the whole point the master is supposed to pass on all his knowledge not hored it the guy would have definitely start the rule of one if he knew esence transfer to live forever like that one sith lord that wanted to become a sith god

[@Vakaria-plays]

@@donavonhoward114 I know that it is earned, but Sidious clearly sabotated or didnt train his apprentices well enough to that they ever could overthrow him. Especially Vader. So its kinda like asking a person without legs to win a marathon, so Sidious rigged the game and betrayed everything the Sith stood for and the legacy of Bane. (which is also why Bane and the Sith before him despised Sidious, because he was a traitor)

[@perckmalice70]

@@Vakaria-playssidious plans to continue on his legacy even after death- he was focussed on essence transfer essentially making him immortal. Why does he need another master or apprentice succeeding him when he really had a plan to “not die”?

[@gbrad1409]

I think at that point there wasn't anyone who could surpass him and for the rule of 2 to be successful the apprentice has to be able to overthrow him so to continue the tradition of every sith growing stronger with evey generation. Vader was never going to overthrow palpatine and there wasn't anyone who could beat vader and take his place so palpatine was stuck for a couple of decades until luke came along.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

I would love to see a duel between Darth Vader and Darth Malgus, two armored Sith Juggernauts and veteran Jedi killers

[@marquesdabest]

Malgus would have the upper hand due to the force abilities and how vader was kept weak by Palpatine

[@tadhggoreyoneill13666]

​@@marquesdabestMalgus did invent Force Maelstrom an extremely deadly FORCE LIGHTNING based abilities

[@Tuturial464]

Vader is the deadliest lightsaber duelist and he is still strong in the force. Not to mention he probably has counters to the force lightning with his lightsaber

[@chrisaguirre4771]

@@Tuturial464vader can indeed block force lightning as he knows soresu

[@SteadyyRed]

Malgus would have obliterated Vader.

[@clydealinas1914]

This guy does not run out of ideas lol

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

He actually does 😂😂

[@alexschmeling2655]

It's interesting to note that although sidious HATED bane, he embodied what bane believed it was to be a sith. If vader would have internalized more, it's truly interesting how much more powerful hed become....he already had learned dark healing, he just lacked the ability to maintain it for long. If he had more internalized rage and hate, who knows what would have happened?

[@detachedbottom8924]

It's interesting that the Jedi couldn't help Anakin deal with his emotions of grief and fear of loss any more than Sidious and the Sith could help Vader when that loss and grief eventually came to pass. Both institutions failed Anakin, and as a result he ends up toppling both of them.

[@zayneclark3771]

Vader was more of an enraged fallen Jedi than sith. Being redeemed shows Anakin's love for those he cared for, his hatred of his enemies made him a monster. Fear as Yoda said was Vader's greatest enemy.

[@jasonabrams639]

Adding another comment. To serve a compelling story, Anakin had to remain torn between light and dark. If he strayed too far in the darkness, then Luke would have never been able to defeat the Emperor! I am grateful for excellent story telling to give us this epic journey 🙌 🙏

[@HistoryPoliticsFiction]

I would say the problem was how the Emperor brought Vader over to the Darkside. Other Sith turned to grow their own power in order to dominate. Vader didn’t. His goal was to have his wife and his unborn child/children in his life. To keep them safe. When he duels Kenobi his mindset is correct for the Sith but he hasn’t been tempered. The death of his love and children removes his motivation. Once Luke is introduced the motivation comes back immediately. The Emperor assumed he could control and motivate Vader with the same things that drove him. This is foolish. It would have been better to take a different tact: use Vader’s own mindset to push him. For example: a lack of control could have killed Luke or Leia. Vader showed that control when he felt it necessary. Palpatine should have put Vader in situations where control was the way forward. He should have appealed to Vader’s pride.

[@venkelos6996]

I certainly feel that Vader was a poor Ro2 Sith, and I feel, as the video mentioned, that a fair bit of that didn't even have to do with his injuries, and confinement to his suit. If Sidious could have dipped him in some kolcta, and regenerated him fully, or used some Sith Alchemy, he still would have lost everything, and been less for it, but I feel that a part of his failure was simply that Vader never had to live as something else. And yes, he wad once a slave, and a Chosen One, and a Jedi, but he was openly all these things, and never had to masquerade as something "lesser". He had to hide his marriage, and rail against his failure to be acknowledged as a Master, but he wasn't shaped by his need to conceal his power, goals, or the like, in the ways the Ro2 Sith did. Even when he was Vader, he was openly a Force-user, and enforcer of the Empire. He wasn't a secret Hand, pretending to be something else, and I feel like his lack of needing to hide everything, and build up toward the day he might not need to deprived him of the ability to accept what he couldn't have, because it became a permanent loss, instead of a temporary absence, and goal to overcome, secretly. The funny thing us, the Emperor obviously wanted Skywalker; had high hopes for Vader, and so it's maybe odd that he seemed to be totally taken by surprise how disappointing Vader turned out to be, even though some of the things he lost Sidious would have made sure he lost anyway. Those losses were what was going to grow Vader's power, and were things typical Sith Lords didn't keep longterm, if you will, and since Palpatine had invested so much time in observing Anakin, it's odd that he never realized how poorly Vader would internalize such things, which I feel he would have been bad at, even in his flesh and blood form, with all of his potential intact. He simply would have been even more difficult to restrain, once his rage overtook him, which I feel Palpatine did appreciate the suit, and its limits, for.

[@chiefsprinkles]

Love these videos my friend !

[@carycomic1954]

I think that, if Vader had fulfilled Palpatine's expectations, he might have exceeded even Valkorion in terms of power and ruthlessness. Fortunately, however, the Lightside restoration aspect of the Force's Chosen One prophecy came true.

[@ScrubGamingProductions]

Vader was a slave just as Anakin before him. He could never escape it like a true Sith should

[@aster4jaden]

This seems to be failure on Sidious's part as a Master and him failing ignite a true Sith desire in Vader.

[@LordNougat]

May the force ever serve you!

[@xTheIceKinGx]

Great content as always :)

[@timhayes5034]

how do u manage to drop bangers every single day 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kainslegacy7]

Idk what he would've been like, but boy, I'd like to see it.

[@TheFukkles]

Anakin always planned to kill Sideous and end the Sith as well as the Jedi. It is stated as much in the RotS novelization. He held on to the dark side, but he had no real interest in trading one version of the jedi order for another. It makes sense that he wantonly killed officers and caused destruction as he sees fit. The whole allure of the darkside is the power and freedom to do anything he wishes. And technically the rule of 2 was fulfilled when the Empire was established, so there is no real need to further the goals of the Sith. He was well within his rights to do whatever the hell he pleased.

[@kilroy3579]

I've always found Palpatine's so-called disappointment with Vader to be hypocritical. If it wasn't for Vader, Windu would've killed him in his own office. And even though he survived the encounter, he was all messed up, from his own power being reflected back at him lol. I'd also like to know how much time Palpatine actually spent training Vader. Between running a Galactic Empire, hunting down surviving Jedi and dealing with a full-blown rebellion, when would they have had the time? Not to mention, Palpatine doesn't have the best track record when it comes to apprentices. Maul bisected...Dooku beheaded, Vader put into a robotic iron lung for the rest of his life just to survive. If anything, Palpatine was the weak link in the thousand-year-old chain Bane created.

[@zealgaming8161]

Sidious was the climax. Men build up... Energy over time... Carrying over from generation to generation. Until a "Un*Lucky" Man of power get to spend it all on his dream. Of course the result of the Climax will be less then the power it contains at it's peak.

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

@@zealgaming8161when Rey defeated him hopefully that shouted his ego up

[@andresguevara7832]

​@@Emperorandydarklordofthesith when who what?

[@JayTruce]

I absolutely agree. As powerful as he was, he failed as both a Jedi and a Sith.

[@shadeofshattered3]

Sideous is never satisfied with anything he orders peoples death for being to powerful he employs savage animals and yet berates them for being savage animals he is upset vader doesn't try to over throw him but has plans for when vader tries to over throw him

[@nathanielbables8652]

That's cause at the end of the day sidious was I whiny, narcissistic, petty old man full of hate. He wanted any excuse to be an asshole to everyone around him.

[@mitchbaker5995]

That's the problem with despots they have to kill anyone who's competent because they could become a rival which means they only have weak yes men and narrow minded sycophants to work with.

[@MistahJay7]

Lol I just imagined a whole robot chicken scenario of Vader killing off officers as Palpatine sighs and is like well there goes another 50 officers this week send in the next batch

[@thomasparque7834]

Sadly I agree that Vader was poor Rule of Two Sith but much like good deal of other problem that was largely on him and his refusal to let go when the time came and moved forward. In someways Vader did have the drive to find out deeper mystories of the darkside but he just enjoyed the more realist side of the Force to much. Ironic the oppisite of that his son came to have Luke in his own was fanstated by mystories of the Force but he remain ground in became in a way becoming both true Jedi Guardian and true Jedi Conular at same time the very thing that Anakin should have been

[@jjohnson3469]

Vader was all martial, no art. Mustafar maiming if not he was NEVER going to be invested in the deeper mysteries of the Sith, or sorcery or alchemy. Galaxy’s most powerful thug but just a thug nonetheless.

[@Goremejy]

Sidious: purposely sabotaging vader and preventing him from reaching his full potential, going against the very concept of the rule of 2. Also Sidious: Vader YOU are the problem here clearly 😂

[@aodhhanswtor7252]

Very true. Vader didn't care about the Sith or being one. He believed only in the Force and the power of its Dark Side. Vader would only show interest if any Sith device or artifact could let him commune with Padme. From an outsider, he seems to hold the Sith in contempt. Believing his grasp of the Dark Side superior. Even knowing he'd have been exceptional to Sidious if Obi-Wan hadn't defeated him.

[@eriknewton4656]

palpatine is kind of a hypocrite here considering he completely deviated from the rule of 2 and was the reason why the sith went extinct because he didn't follow bane's teachings the way he should have. sure their might have been some changes needed near the end game but the rule of 2 workd for millenia and it really wasn't followed properly by tenebaum, plagueis or sidious.

[@elpiwo]

the pot calling the kettle black

[@SuiteBid]

Welcome to the inconsistencies of the Legends canon.

[@JoshUA-ge4es]

Vaders job wasnt to learn more about the sith it was to scavenge the systems and bring back the artifacts to sidious

[@carycomic1954]

@@SuiteBid Nowhere near as inconsistent as the so-called "neo-canonical" SW Universe.

[@SuiteBid]

@@carycomic1954 They're both pretty inconsistent. Albeit in different ways. A natural consiquence of multiple writers which is itself a byproduct of Star Wars having all of that content. The most inconsistent part of current Star Wars canon were the movies and a few of the shows and comics, however, outside of the Sequels, there is actual care taken to try and maintain some level consistency (emphasis on "some). This is compared to Legends' multiple comics, novels, and video games that have inconsistencies just from the fact that there are multiple writers alone and many of them haven't really done that deep dive into almost 30 years of comics, novels, and video games required for total consistency. Even before Disney took over, The Clone Wars was retconning/decanonizing entire chunks out of Legends and there were talks about removing Legends canon even back in 2008. Just from the amount of it all the Legends continuity is *_way_* more inconsistent, especially since even back in the 80s and with the Prequels in the 2000s, every new movie basically flatlined a lot of EU lore (the gap between Episode VI and the release of Episode I, Episode III and TCW, and the end of TCW Season 6 up until the eventual decanonizing of most of Legends sometime in 2014 are largely what allowed for the EU to go on without getting retconned; in other words, 20+ years of content written by different writers working for different companies generally leads to more consistency problems). But being inconsistent does not innately mean bad, and the shows and movies in the current canon that are inconsistent aren't bad because of that. They're bad because they made terrible writing choices.

[@carycomic1954]

@@SuiteBid All I know is, I had no trouble following the general history of the _original_ S.W.E.U. The current mythos? 👎👎👎

[@Overlord367]

i would say he wasn’t poor so much as he fundamentally didn’t care about the rule of two at all and overall as a sith lord he was better than his master as he was warrior not a backstabbing politician.

[@joshuahenderson3444]

He couldn’t commit to the Sith Order bcuz he could never move on from Padme like his main reason for becoming a Sith in the first place was to prevent Padme from her fate but also i don’t think his intentions was to rule the galaxy alongside Palpatine his plan was to learn and master all he could from Sidious’s teachings and then one day kill Palpatine off and rule the galaxy in his own way as he saw fit alongside Padme and his children but not in the way Sidious did or other Sith from before in fact he had different ideas for a different approach to expanding his reign over the galaxy for his own purposes in his own right. Anakin/Vader never intended to fully commit or subject himself to a dark side order that he didn’t care for all he wanted was to preserve his family’s legacy and utilized the dark side by its full extent achieving his full potential like he could have if not for his defeat on Mustafar, his grief and regret alongside his injuries are what held him back but most of all mentally as he grew nihilistic of his place in the world. Vader straight out conspired with Padme that he would overthrow the Emperor to have her by his side but after being lied to by Sidious and overcoming his injuries during her passing he was left without purpose in life as far as ambition except for revenge and Palpatine to look up to until came his son Luke. The Jedi Order wanted Anakin to be the perfect light side champion for their cause but under Sidious he wanted Vader to be the perfect ideal Sith in the same way as Darth Malgus despite their similarities in contrast Vader would’ve came out being more like Valkorion rather than Malgus if he hadn’t been injured by his duel with Obi Wan overall i do think Vader would have made the “Perfect” and MOST powerful dark side wielder just not the perfect Sith in the way Sidious always wanted (philosophically) the same way the Jedi Order wanted for Anakin to be in their way

[@alexandruioan1]

Isn't it hilarious? The chosen one is actually an ignorant, self-centered individual, oblivious to knowledge and it's gifts. Instead he chooses to play with his toys and spends time in the "gym".... sounds familiar?

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

This is perfect and what I always and completely say about Vader. The fan favorite character of every Star Wars fan, nothing else but an immensely powerful yet glorified inquisitor not a true sith lord by any measure, his own master varifies what is said here through Vader's actions as a glorified inquisitor and jedi killer.

[@Huggamugger1]

Can you do a top 10 or top 20 list of the most powerful Sith.

[@eosphorusthegracefallen5195]

He was a great darksider but a lousy Sith. Sidious is partly to blame for not teaching Vader more.

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

The problem here is that Vader simply don't wanted to learn more about the Dark Side of the Force. All Vader cared was with his power.

[@Tuturial464]

And the fact Palp never bother to train Vader. Palp is also bad for the rule of 2

[@dankdynamic5832]

He knew if he trained vader then vader can become more powerful than him​@@Tuturial464

[@rishavraj6973]

Vader/anakin was a total disappointment as both a Jedi and a sith, killed padme whom he loved most, never understood what is the true essence of either side of force , overall a huge wasted potential

[@96smittyjr]

Vader was a poor rule of two Sith lord because he was really just a poor Sith. He really joined the Because he saw it as his only way to help Padme and because he felt like the Jedi would never understand him or his actions. Virtually every other rule of two believed in the goals of the rule of two. On his own Vader, never really adhered to those tenets or ideas. Just practicing an ideology does not mean you are subscribed to it. Both in legends and Cannon everything that Vader is shows that he was not really subscribed to the tenants of the role of two.

[@carycomic1954]

Those Sith Lords @ 5:15. Are they supposed to be Naga Sadow, Emperor Palpatine, Marka Ragnos, and Darth Revan?

[@kingshadow8782]

Excellent.

[@carlgreen8972]

This really shows that Sideous really gave up on Maul way too early because Maul's Strengths were what Sideous saw as Vaders failings, although learning that lesson from Maul is likely why Sideous even bothered checking on Vader after he lost on Mustafar

[@albertlamar5938]

Anakin was not a scholar or philosopher. He was a man of action. He never lost that, but he lost everything else on Mustafar.

[@alexmaldonado764]

I always wondered why Darth Vader never cloned a new body for himself. Or at least the arm and both legs. I mean there so advanced in robotics and in cloning.

[@zomfragger]

Vader was a bad rule of 2 era sith but a great ancient sith. This because of the term Darth which in legends ment unconquerable. Darth was only given to those of the warrior cast of sith which vader would fit the bill. Sidous would fall under sith sorcerer as his knowledge of the dark side allowed him to manipulate his enemies ftom afar. During the wars with the jedi it was the warrior sith who faced the Jedi in combat supported by the sorcerer sith. It was because of these clashes that Jedi assumed the title Darth ment one who is a master of the dark side much like how a Jedi knight is. (Apprentice = padawan, Darth = Knight, lord = master, Emporer = grand master) Over time the title lost its original meaning and became a title for any one who was a sith lord. The rule of two cemented this as every sith took the title darth in their sith name. Sidous never caught on to this fact due to the loss of knowledge overtime. Had Sidous knew he might have been more hands on with Vader's training. As with Malgus Vader was held back by the one he loved however unlike Malgus Vader never realized that his connection with Padme is what kept him from killing Sidous. It was only thru Luke that he summoned the strength to kill his master. However that is just my take.

[@randomusernameCallin]

An important part of the Sith is to give in to their emotions in combat. When Vadar was placed in his suit, he became even more on discipline in battle. It is ironic that Vadar followed the Jedi way better after betraying them.

[@nathanj7520]

I feel the apprentice is a representation of the masters teachings hear me out palpatine made Vader's suit weak, painful and valuable to lightning. palpatine from my understanding was too afraid to let Vader upgrade his suit or learn force heal due to the fact he would over power him with once Anakin/Vader finding balance on both light and dark side sidious would be no match 😈😈

[@joshkrause2977]

Anakin/Vader was a horrible Sith as he was there to destroy them and the Jedi to bring balance. Both sides were unbalanced and needed to be eliminated. The Jedi were allowed to come back but in balance, the only reason the Sith exist is because of Jedi being unbalanced (Jedi wars).

[@mistermyself1128]

Rule of two is more of a thing people said. All of them had secret apprentices or were always recruting.

[@JO-iv7tl]

Two ideas come to mind. Previous sith had an enemy and/or a bigger war at hand to guide their actions. Why hone your abilities if there is no one to fight. If darth vader killed palpatine what would be gained that vader didnt already have access to? I see vaders actions as if i sink the ship in the middle of the ocean i will win but i will nothing.

[@Nucleararcher_2022]

6:27 & 5:37 am i the only one hearing that breathing sound??

[@Eplay_859]

Did sidious learn about sion or Darth kraya or nilius how much of the dark entities did you know about the brother an sister an father or abolth emperor vicious

[@eriknewton4656]

the first mistake sidious made was not training anakin since he was a child so he didn't get poisoned by the jedi teachings. bane took zannah as a child as his apprentice so she would be born in the dark and not be a risk of being turned back to the light had she been trained by the jedi and he turned her from the light.

[@evanlovleymeyers4781]

If love combats the darkside as found out more by Luke, than Anakin who was remained tormented by the loss of his love would never have been able to fully commit to the Darkside it the Sith.

[@jwolfeshelton4360]

Anakin,(Darth Vader) Only became sith due to heart break and loss He betrayed the Jedi only to save Padme once she was gone nothing really mattered to him anymore. A true Sith wants power and immortality he really had nothing until he learned his son survived. if he really was ambitious I feel he would have sought a way to upgrade his suit and his prosthetics in order to regain his full ambulatory range making him an actual threat to the emperor......Jussayin.....lol!!

[@SvendleBerries]

Palpatine knew what he was getting into with Anakin, both good and bad. Him being disappointed with Vader is just projection. He created Vader from the beginning, giving Anakin visions that would eventually lead him to seek out the dark side of the force. He knew Anakin had emotional problems...Its not Vaders fault that Palpatine went ahead with his flawed plan.

[@reyvillegasjr166]

True about Sion,he was literally a zombie😅. Vader could've done the same...he was just done,no Padme,no child,he did theae horrible things,got cut up,burnt,and put in that dark suit. He was jusy there. If he would've been this way,he wouldve been trsong enough to get a new suit and survive and continue his dominance

[@lorenzdecena]

In other words he's too broken to fully embrace the darkside.

[@mlo009]

Palp sold Vader on the wrong things, he clearly didn't want that. The issue was that Vader only found out when he already turned to the dark side and was too deep in it. No Padme, no kids (that he know of until late), no friends.

[@darrencole97]

Agreed

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

Vader is a Sith Stalker.

[@lordofpain3476]

Anakin was basically a force god , his potential was unimaginable........ But once he got ginsu'd by a treasonous space hippy , he kinda went stagnant . With his potential and the dark side , he should've been powerful enough to bully Aboloth ..... Instead he was a lacky for a Politician from Naboo .

[@RailMango]

Do Sith Acolytes like Ventress & the Inquisitors themselves sort of break the rule of 2?

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Palpatine was absolutely right & that’s why I say Darth Vader is no True Sith ✅.

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

Neither was palps

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

@@Emperorandydarklordofthesith Yes he was 🤣 But he has done one better the man chose to transcend the rule of 2 into the rule of 1 due to how much of a failure his apprentices were & him having no need for that part of the Sith doctrine anymore 🤷🏾‍♂️. Palpatine is a true visionary of the modern sith order & that’s facts.

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

@@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134 yet he lost to Rey

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

@@Emperorandydarklordofthesith Because the plot allowed it to be such bro that’s all no more & no less.

[@jonnovember2136]

Vader wanted to become #TDBank💳 card holder... 🌎💘💰

[@BigBlueHorses]

Sidious only saw Anakin power. It never dawned on him that he was making a fatal choice until after 66. Anakin was a man of deep feelings and spent his formative years as the greatest soldier Jedi in the Order. After his fall Vader continued that philosophy. He wasn’t about getting power to rule or expand the Sith. He wasn’t about mining Sith lore for secrets. That was the Emperor’s motivation. For Vader peace and order came through unwavering obedience and loyalty. It’s why Sidious was always bristling and complaining that Vader could never expel Anakin completely. So yes, Vader was not good for rule of 2.

[@Eplay_859]

Vader lost everything but found ashoka I went no lets kill her no more thoughts behind it in the moment or afterward while meditating wouldn't they always be linked threw there bond that how he knew the Padawan lives or ashoka block him or cut the bond after there fight

[@flyingmatteo89]

These vids are really interesting, but there's no information about whether it's legends or canon...🙄

[@dominiclusetti546]

i like legends Vader more I do not like Vader just being a puppet in cannon

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Vader was still the chosen one

[@jasonabrams639]

Darth Vader vs Darth Bane.. in full insect armour 😮

[@jasonabrams639]

I still think Vader would win.. but it would be Frigging epic!

[@averydavis5741]

He did attempt to overthrow sidious once he learned of Luke

[@storozhevoy75]

Sidious was a master at manipulation but never seemed to truly understand people. He never understood Vader's pain because he gained everything in the rise of the Empire while Vader lost everything that ever mattered to him. And by this time, Vader knew better than to believe everything his master said, which is probably why Sidious's emotional manipulations weren't as effective on him.

[@dianesinger9729]

I think Anakin was a ruler of 2 sith. He was sad and angry but had no drive for real sith power😊

[@saiynoq6745]

Vaders failing falls fully at his birth in the dark side his reason for knee to his master a that is 100% on his master.

[@riverjordan1613]

Vader did not need to be an order of two sith, Sidious was the fulfillment of the order of two. So vader shouldnt even be held to that standard. it was supposed to be a new era.

[@gregphillipsel9906]

Definitely was a poor rule of two Sith Lord. Had he taken things seriously he may have learned how to restore his battered body

[@royjones0824]

I firmly believe Vader could’ve beat sidious the issue was he didn’t want to nor have a drive to do anything until Luke came up and even then anakin cares more for his loved ones then his own self that’s literally why he turned to the dark side honestly he was more fallen Jedi then sith ( the Jedi was evil to begin with but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation)

[@kittycat0876]

Vader was a failure from the beginning he didn’t unalive Obi Won like he was supposed to & until after the 1st Death Star was destroyed & he was tortured and told not to peruse force users

[@robertagu5533]

Calling the Sith color Red aren't we Palpy??? If I remember weren't you nearly killed, by YOUR OWN account, by the Ancients that found you BOTH lacking an often in how you did Business??? An on Malgus... Sideous thought he was gifting a Study an Knowledge guide... But this video its sounding like Vader treated Malgus' Journals like some sorta Sick Romance Novel. .on THAT Sideous mightve been on to few things

[@donovanbradford8231]

Well instead of reading the books of the Sith, Sidous should have been reading the books that taught us that that having is not so pleasing as wanting, it is not logical but often true.

[@Gor85]

This was very poor of Vader. He could learn much more about dark side. To be better. I understand comments about tactics-he was brilliant. Both as Anakin and Vader. He could spread further the Sith. To evolve the Sith and Rule of Two. May the Force be with you too😊

[@PUREGRAPP]

Full-power Anakin would have wiped out Sidious in due time. That was his plan when he faced Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith.

[@nicecocofy2614]

So much parallel between Maul, would be sith that don't make good master

[@mikec3820]

vader is a simp lord for his palpy haha

[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@Tuturial464]

Pot calling kettle black.

[@squirrelOD]

….or, maybe it was because palpatine was emotionally damaged by his parents and treated Vader the way he was treated. Had palpatines parents been more woke and talked about their feelings more, perhaps he could have mentored Vader more and connected better while making the empire truly great again.

[@curtdecker694]

Only cannon matters. Nothing else.

[@nathanielbables8652]

Exactly who exemplifies a good sith?

[@kingshadow8782]

I’m here!

[@Mboy245]

Ironic since he was no better by trying to supplant the rule of two with the rule of one with his greed and lust for power

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

Makes me happy that Rey killed him

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 471 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@JoeBlow-p5g]

Bro get a life

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@JoeBlow-p5g Al life in pursuit of knowledge is an honorable one and one that follows the Will of the Force. I know for I am one with the Force and the Force is with me. May the Force be with you... always.

[@JoeBlow-p5g]

@@samuelrobles3737 wow buddy, not only do you need to get a life, but you need to realize Star Wars is fake bud. This is just said bro.

[@samuelrobles3737]

@@JoeBlow-p5g Nothing is true, everything is permitted. I am sorry for whatever you are going through that makes you feel the need to try and hurt another but I hope it ends soon. Until then, trust only in the Force. May the Force be with you...always.

[@JoeBlow-p5g]

@@samuelrobles3737 no I'm sorry for what you are putting yourself through

[@benkalem]

Of course, Rule of Two was a stupid, short-sighted and arrogant paradigm to start with. It limited what the Sith could achieve and ultimately provided the foundation for their ruin.

[@zombiedalekweck2243]

No views 3 likes 4 comments 27 seconds

[@Emperorandydarklordofthesith]

Bro fell off

[@zerotolerance5581]

Vader was bad in general. One only needed pocket sand, and he'd be done.

[@kingshadow8782]

E

[@Dakblasta]

Is this even real information?