Why the Imperials Lost All RESPECT for Darth Vader - Star Wars Explained

[@triviszla1536]

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” One of the most memorable lines in history. The delivery was perfect and it doubled down on his no room for bs personality.

[@StompDeni42]

A terminator-like Darth Vader with the mechanical parts of his body exposed is totally terrifying rather than pathetic.

[@adamethridge7824]

Only if Schwarzenegger did his voice

[@SWDude2710]

True. That is one thing I dislike about George's vision for Vader, being seen as "pathetic" due to.....well him being like this, among other things, when that kinda makes him look like a joke.

[@stretopovermind9680]

- Darth Vader with the mechanical parts of his body exposed is totally terrifying In an empire *_born_* from kicking droid armies collective metal asses en masse? Nah.

[@MichaelJohnson-kx3ln]

Yesss...but a terminator like Vader holding a six foot Hogie & a six pack, is truly something too behold.

[@pyerack]

Depends. From a certain point of view it reveals Vader to be little more than a servitorized puppet on mobile life support. An attack dog with prosthetic legs and metal lugs. I can absolutely see why some people would pity such a being, however an attack dog is still a living weapon and these elites were forgetting that.

[@RumRunneerFilms]

Pride leads to Arrogance. Arrogance leads to Ineptitude. Ineptitude leads to Choking.

[@luketimewalker]

Breathe is a lie There is only wheezing

[@sageviper2981]

“Be careful not to choke on your aspirations”

[@Lordofthethighs420]

Unless you like being choked

[@Gor85]

Indeed 😀

[@pokechamp3987]

choking leads to wild adventures

[@lewieanderson6579]

That guy choked on his words, literally

[@SpeedTaco66]

Lol

[@secla_SC]

Imperial Architect: *sneezes* Vader: *chockes him to death* Palpatine: "God damn it Vader!"

[@VictoriousWatchman]

Yeah, like he cared at all. Nothing could stop him. Not all the pain that he went through. He ignored it. All the people talking about him, he shrugged it off. Because he knew that they would never do it to his face. They were far too afraid.

[@enki6676]

What would a giant like Vader care about worms which know nothing? Not even fit or worthy to be trampled upon. They're just there. None of them knew or were capable of even a fraction of what he did. They were completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Just bugs. Side characters at best. Do you care about every ant you trample? Vader was mature and secure enough in his knowledge and power that he didn't care and have to prove anything to anybody. However, when people like Monti challenged him and crossed the line, he didn't hesitate to set the record and food chain straight.

[@Intrepid_A]

"Nothing could stop him”. Apart from the emperor.

[@dariusposton5714]

That reminds me of these sayings: “Everyone is a gangster until either a real one gets in their faces or when it’s time to do actual gangster stuff.” “Everyone is a warrior until it’s time to fight for real.” “Everyone are kings, queens, emperors, empresses, leaders, and other forms of authority until it’s time for them to take responsibility for their own foul ups.” “Every chihuahua thinks it’s a wolf until a pit bull comes around.” I can’t remember who said those, but Darth Vader is definitely not letting any creature or anything stop him, especially those who haven’t went through what he did or worse.

[@jamesblinzler7421]

Fear is the appropriate response when you meet Darth Vader…

[@eds1942]

Well I guess we can toss out that the Death Star conference room scene where Gen Taggi and Vader got into a little spat.

[@MosestheDark]

Vader was so psychotic even Palpatine was like "Dude, chill", lol

[@YourM0istness]

I wouldn't say he's psychotic, he just doesn't feel for his peers because he knows they're evil and would get rid of them in an instant if he did overthrow palp.

[@enriquepowers]

Yep, Palpatine doesn’t seem to punish immediately with death

[@matthewriley7826]

“Sometimes my friend, I think if left unchecked you’d kill everything in the galaxy.” And Palpatine admits he has the same contempt and desire to commit violence against the denizens of the galaxy, but he acknowledges giving in means he loses control of himself and doesn’t want to rule an empire of the dead.

[@vintvarner16]

​@nuggetsnuggets6913 Vader respects facing a opponent 1v1 with a weapon, not words. Vader always a General/Sith Lord, hated politics and always led troops in battle, never hung back

[@Noahleitner98]

Actually it was palpatine who was sociopathic, psychopathic, he loved to torture and murder. And to do it in the most heinous way. To electrocute his victim with nearly full power but not enough to kill instantly. He enjoyed watching his victims beg for their life. He was incapable of not only giving but receiving love just the same. Could not comprehend sympathy nor empathy. Palpatine was truly a psychopath.

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

This was an example of Palpatine not understanding the basics of political power, weirdly enough. If Vader was meant to be Vader, but could not be entrusted with the Death Star, he shouldn't be there. It's inviting people to defy him. That's not going to end well.

[@frozenfire2634]

why would sidious care if they defy him?

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

@@frozenfire2634 Because he had a plan for Vader, at that point.

[@theforce5191]

Ummm. Sidous was in the senate for years. I'm sure he understood.

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

@@theforce5191 The writers weren't. Sidious still intended for Vader to be Vader - his right hand, his enforcer. If you have someone like that in your organization, and you want to keep them in that role, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you put him under anyone else, or make anyone else immune to his judgment. It undermines what you're trying to achieve with that person's role. If you have a huge project that your enforcer would tend to disrupt, you keep them separate. You DO NOT put a muzzle on your enforcer and let others treat them with disrespect. It teaches those people, and anyone watching, that it's just fine to treat your enforcer - the bearer of your will - with contempt. It creates conflict between you and your enforcer, because you're giving him contradicting instructions. If this was Sidious setting up Vader for failure deliberately, it would make sense. At this point, it's just a terrible mistake.

[@sealdude5581]

​@@LetholdusKaspyrSidious liked keeping Vader on his toes and seem to get a kick of antagonizing him with weird mind games so setting him up for failure seems in character

[@FordLancer]

Something to remember, everyone gathered by tarkin were his biggest supporters. With them gone with the destruction of the Death Star Vader regained much of the power he had over the elites. It didn’t hurt that the rebels were gathering greater support from around the galaxy and growing a fleet larger than what they had before the battle of scarif . Making Vader the ideal candidate to appoint as the leader of an entire fleet to hunt them down.

[@GCJACK83]

Motti fucked around. Motti found out. Motti found out that while the DS-One Deathstar is a chainsaw, Darth Vader is a scalpel, able to cut the smallest and most vital artery and kill just one single person in front of others for running his mouth and being an idiot..

[@VictoriousWatchman]

In one of the books, Vader, and Tarkin start to respect one another.

[@Godzilla00X]

Yeah, Tarkin and Thrawn were the only ones to actually respect Vader and keep in mind, Tarkin knew he was protected from V by Palpatine

[@TheApocalypse73]

It was covered In a comic too. It was after Vader accompanied Tarkin to his homeworld. And there Tarkin "hunted" Vader

[@tweso1499]

@@TheApocalypse73yes, at Vader’s own request interestingly enough (cashing in his favor from an attack on Dac)

[@Lbf5677]

The respect lasted five minutes

[@Celestial_Reach]

​@@tweso1499and that respect gained as they brought each other to the edge of death could not be completely forgotten.

[@justarabbit1982]

The most relatable Vader moment is him choking out a snotty coworker during a staff meeting.

[@SWDude2710]

He was a grumpy nihilist constantly in agony within his life support suit who has had enough of incompetency for so long to the brink of consistent force choking sessions... You can kinda see why, though I feel for Vader far more than the officers who are overly arrogant and moronic, and their decisions cause so many years of problems for the Empire. Look at the majority of officers from Star Wars Rebels and some examples of the OG trilogy for perfect examples of terrible Imperial officers.

[@eds1942]

Let’s send 3 Star Destroyers to catch a light smuggling freighter. And maneuver a super Star destroyer into a dense asteroid field to help out. The officers weren’t incompetent. He was. He ruled by fear. And when his commanders reported that his nonsensical plans were falling short of his goal, he Force Choked them and replaced them with the nearest ranking officer. That became sort of a thing with the more heartless Imperial brass, especially Vader. Lives and resources didn’t matter, strategy didn’t matter, military power, iron discipline mattered and fear mattered.

[@citizen_grub4171]

Vader doesn't deserve pity. He did it all to himself. And ok, you can pity people who make mistakes, I'll grant you. Except Vader ctrl+alt+del'd a lot of young children, and commited countless atrocities after.

[@SWDude2710]

@eds1942 I can agree with a lot of that, but Vader was not incompetent like you think. The officers were a bunch of cowardly and arrogant aristocratic morons who wanted to simply climb the ranks for higher power.

[@SWDude2710]

@citizen_grub4171 he did many an atrocity himself, absolutely..... But do you know how this came to be and why he is "TRAGIC" in the first place? The prequels and Clone Wars show, remember? Plus, that's like saying Mr Freeze, one of Batman's greatest villains, is not deserving of any sympathy due to his crimes despite his now more iconic tragic bsckstory from Batman TSA. For shame.

[@citizen_grub4171]

@@SWDude2710 Remind me. When did Freeze off a couple hundred kids in Batman TAS, again?

[@venkelos6996]

It's kinda funny, but I also just sort of assumed that a bit of it was the Emperor as a model. Obviously, Palpatine was a powerhouse in the Force, and he certainly wasn't getting weaker, but he was subtle, and used the Force in clandestine ways. He retained his cover, so even when things happened, his successes, or even means, weren't attributed to the Force, and he seemed fine with that. He had power, but many underlings didn't know the source of that power, and he seemed fine with that, so when other people questioned what Vader could do, and seemed unaware of the vast might of the Force, it doesn't seem so odd. Palpatine wasn't coming the people with their fear of the Dark Side, but with their fear of him, even if they didn't know how he was successful, and the Emperor preferred that, so "the Force" wasn't impressive, and that was fine. Since Vader was more open, and overt, he had to deal with that. Beyond that, hubris, and just evils simple image of often bringing about its own downfall; they challenged him because they thought they could, and they were wrong.

[@avidreader6534]

this makes a lot of sense

[@theguybehindyou4762]

The madness experienced by imperial elites aboard the death star could be a sort of reverse cosmic horror, wherein they've discovered they now possess godlike power and the rest of the universe is as nothing to them. Even if it doesn't horrify them like it would their potential victims, it would certainly weaken their grasp on reality.

[@lordship1543]

In all fairness a small fleet can glass a plant from orbit. The death star is the galactic empires equivalent of a dude buying a big truck.

[@brockdavid]

Everyone forgets, Vader (and, Anakin) used the Force in subtle ways, not to push or pull objects or foes constantly or in extravagant fashions, Vader used the Force to augment his physical power, strength and to assist in his mobility utilizing it in a more unnoticeable manner. A lot of the High Command Imperials hadn’t been in direct combat or witnessed the feats that the Force Users can exhibit even during the Clone Wars, making it seem more like soldiers’ superstitions, or a psychological operation or piece of ‘misinformation’ to prey on the fear of enemies and allies alike.

[@WilliamAGould]

Imagine if Palpatine had not ordered Vader to obey Tarkin. That Grand Moff meeting at the Death Star in Ep 04 might have ended with Vader getting angry and killing everyone present. On a side note, the deaths of so many high ranking imperial officers when the first Death Star blew up was one of the main reasons why the rebels won their space battle with the Imperial Fleet over Endor. While the destruction of the Executor and the Death Star were a blow. The Empire still had ship numbers to win the battle without question, though it would have cost them. If a Moff had been present, he could have rallied the Imperial fleet to victory.

[@talos86]

There are 3 reasons, why the rebels won the battle of endor: 1. Palpatines overconfidence, 2. loss of Thrawn, 3. the fleet didnt led by Vader

[@WilliamAGould]

​@@talos86 "Loss of Thrawn". At that time, Thrawn was assigned to the Unknown Regions. Palpatine had direct control over the Imperial Fleet. Palpatine had set the trap by sending the fleet to the far side of the moon of Endor before the rebels arrived. But, the Thrawn comment makes my point. Lack of leadership let to the loss by the Imperials.

[@talos86]

@@WilliamAGould at that time(4ABY) Thrawn was in a different universe, thanks to Ezra. The Rebels ended in 0BBY, right before the Rouge one and the New Hope. Thrawn came back in Ahsoka, 8 ABY.

[@vortega472]

What a beautiful shot at 1:22.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Sees the thumbnail Me: “Simple… He keeps choking them to death.”

[@Ravenfanatic5]

🤣true that. "I find your lack of faith disturbing." Then Empire Strikes Back, "Apology accepted, Captain Needa."

[@5pydieman]

​@@Ravenfanatic5 1 of the best scenes on all of Cinema. Vader was the first Villain I openly rooted for because of that scene 😂

[@LantzeLamoureux]

I always interpreted that the Force was viewed as a religion and not a real thing that could be manipulated. I would be pretty interested to know what the thoughts of the Imperials were, during and after Vader chocked one of them in public. Since this would most have likely been the first time they would have seen this kind of power. I would wonder if that would have changed options or if they even would know what to make of it.

[@nickalex4235]

Uhh most of them are literally clone war Veterans so they really should have known about the Force from working Alongside the Jedi back then?

[@bradleychan5684]

The answer is a lot simpler: the Star Wars universe is much more vast and extensive than what is focused on in the shows and movies. Some planets are still in the Iron Age stage of civilization and would see the Force as some form of witchcraft. Even then, Force-sensitivity in the grand scheme of things is actually quite rare. Force-sensitivity strong enough to do the Force things are even rarer. Then, Imperial censorship came around and made things even more confusing. People would rather do more immediately important tasks like space taxes and baking alien bread than entertain the idea of Space Hippies and Space Anarchists duking it out with mysterious powers that casually give physics and science the middle finger.

[@HungryLoki]

There are way too many people that know about tangible effects of the force for that to be so. Even a backwater shopkeep like Watto on a backwater planet like Tatooine immediately called out Qui-Gon as a jedi when he tried to influence his mind, so it appears that jedi and at least some of their powers are widely known across the galaxy.

[@nickalex4235]

@@HungryLoki yep the Jedi Order didn't exactly hide their power before Order 66

[@QuantaSolace]

@@nickalex4235 Tarkin and Yularen were the only ones in that room who had experiences with the Jedi. I think the rest of them viewed it as a superstition and a religion.

[@TheCastellan]

4:40 Henry Kissinger: “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”

[@eng3d]

Kissinger was wrong, power doesn't come from scheming and conspiring, power come from personal strength. When Kissinger visited China for the last time, has was considered as a friend of China, and yet the Chinese make him clear that his decades old work of life was for a naugh, it turned into a failures, and he was just another pawn who decided nothing.

[@michaelkinahan1829]

I have watched hundreds of your videos and this is one of the best

[@SamSilk]

It's important to remember that in the first film, Darth Vader is described by Ben as a young Jedi. It seems to be common knowledge that Anakin is Vader amongst high ranking officials, or at least that he was a Jedi. And the Jedi are being viewed as traitors as a consequence of Palpatine's scheme. Thus Vader is viewed as the only remaining guy from an order of traitors that he himself betrayed...

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

Vader is a tragic example of what happens when you rule by emotion rather than stoic logic. Had Vader the same attitude of a stoic, he wouldvebeen more powerful than even the emperor. Respect of others makes more genuine power than fleeting fear casting.

[@ThomasKnip]

"Killing Imperial officers is child's play - and I should know..." Darth Vader, youngling sweeper

[@mytzlplk]

This 'Dark Times' period is one of my favorite things to ponder in Star Wars, partly because of what we see of Vader's status in the OT. Vader appears out of nowhere from the point of view of most power players in the Empire. And immediately upon appearance, he is placed near the pinnacle of absolute power. Distrust and resentment would abound within the power elite, especially if Vader is executing other established members of that crowd. If they knew that he "used to be" General Anakin Skywalker, then they'd mostly be kneeling with zeal, and proud to serve him, but that info is Above Top Secret. Yes, good insight regarding some of Vader's anti-Jedi operations perhaps being classified. It's hard to respect someone's true power when you're not aware of they've defeated powerful foes. The Emperor may have wanted to diminish the respect for the Jedi as much as possible, thus diminishing Vader's victories against them. It's also implied that Palpatine is very disappointed in Vader due to his greatly weakened biology. Add to that Vader not being the political operator that Palpatine really needs at this phase of the galactic long coup. Both of these factors of disdain might be noticed by the more perceptive cutthroat players in the Imperial court. Palpatine may even purposefully encourage this antagonism to test Vader and others against each other (also, because Evil, hello!). Also, perhaps Vader's failure with the Yavin Deathstar wasn't his first major failure. Maybe there had been a couple of others before it. Or many of smaller scope that are starting to break the bantha's back, and further diminish his tattered reputation within the Empire. So much so that destroying Echo Base on Hoth had to be a big relief to his reputation within the Empire despite not capturing Luke Skywalker (only the Emperor knew how important that truly was). Maybe there had been one, or more, coup attempts against the Emperor between Eps 3 and 4, that were nearly successful (there have been some interesting mentions in books and games). Perhaps Vader was thought to have been either, a) too slow to stop them, b) not involved in stopping them at all, or c) possibly secretly involved with the other side (Oooh!). Any single or combination of the above possibilities suffice for me as to why Vader garners disrespect from the rest of the imperial elite. Especially the sudden appearance angle. "WHO IS this guy showing up all of a sudden after The Clone Wars, where I've killed/almost died, kissed butt, sold my dignity to get where *I* am, but he is my instant boss?!?"

[@blacktronpavel]

Excellent analysis. I agree with a lot of your points. Good video.

[@lordofpain3476]

Anybody dumb enough to willingly jump bad with Darth Vader was begging for a painful death .

[@RoyalRipper548]

6:33 And that's why they consider it just a religion.

[@todddavis2041]

I though Motti was just arrogant, but I never knew the reason. Well explained

[@TheKrostiman]

It remains one of the weakest elements of the Star Wars timeline that people would forget what Jedi or force users are capable of. The entire history of the galaxy is drenched in force users pulling off amazing feats. The timeline is too compressed for this to make any sense.

[@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder]

There were only like 10,000 Jedi in the entire galaxy. That’s not a lot of Jedi. There probably weren’t a lot of other Force users running around. Chances are most people never would have seen a Force user, much less a powerful one.

[@TheKrostiman]

@@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder every force sensitive kid the Jedi took in had a family. So in addition to people seeing insane feats in public and there has to be media in the republic there are a lot of family members that lost relatives to the Jedi. The number of people that know about this very high profile order that is basically part of the government is in no way as small as you suggested.

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

I wonder if Palps had any plans if he had destroyed the Rebel Alliance completely. I have doubt he would have any need for Vader, seeking immortality and thus having no need for one to follow after him. I wonder if the Empire has a jobcenter for unemployed Sith Lords. XD

[@dylanblack3279]

After the Rebels, Palpatine would have needed Vader to control the crime syndicates and also possibly the Chiss or Yuuzhon Vong.

[@jeanmichael2002]

I mean before the Rebel Alliance became a formal fighting force, all almost all palpatine did was sit in his chair for 20 years while the military puts down insurgencies and conquers more planets. If he ever discovered inmortality, I guess the galaxy would remain stagnant forever

[@boydmanning3430]

_"He's more machine now, than man. Twisted, and evil."_ 🤖🤖

[@strayed1615]

I always figured that with the Death Star built, Tarkin being in control of the station and being in the conference room with not just regular high ranking officers, but high ranking officers *privy* to knowledge of the Death Star, that this Moff got far too arrogant in his own beliefs. 'We have completely won now, nothing can stop us. Not even Vader. In fact...Vader is no longer important anymore.'

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The big plan was for multiple DSs all over, part of the Tarkin Docrine. That fear will keep systems in line not 100s of Star Destroyers, 1000s of garrisoned troops. The Emperor didn't want to bother with politics or socioeconomic issues 🗃 .

[@newsduke]

I think what gets overlooked in Star Wars is how incompetent Vader really is. It was his idea to track the Millennium Falcon to the rebel base, knowing they had the secret plans they could use to find a vulnerability in the Death Star. Well, that didn’t work out for him! And even though it makes Vader look terrifying, killing all your top officers whenever they make a mistake is terrible, ineffective leadership. Many of the rebels escaped from Hoth and fled to the rebel fleet, but instead of pursuing the fleet, Vader spends all his time chasing the Millennium Falcon around. It does allow him to get to Luke, who rejects him and escapes anyway. The Imperials must’ve wondered what the hell they were doing, but of course they’re too afraid to say so. Vader extinguished all of their expertise and possible good ideas with fear. The Emperor wasn’t very smart either. No wonder the rebels won the war.

[@47of74]

In real life I believe there hadn't been too much backstory development yet, that when ANH was released the Emperor was more of a puppet ruler who was not force sensitive and controlled by bureaucrats like Tarkin and other Moffs. A lot hadn't been firmly established yet - such as Luke and Leia being siblings - or Darth Vader once being Anakin Skywalker. It seems to me that the extent of Vader's powers hadn't been established yet, which was why the Imperials didn't seem too afraid of him in the first movie.

[@joshuatoms7664]

Yeah, had thought about this a long time ago and came to the same conclusion. Most people didn't experience what Force users could do. And after the Jedi are wiped out, you have an entire generation growing up without any of them around to demonstrate the Force. Easily forgotten.

[@TsuikeNovaus]

So basically, Palpatine. Palpatine manages to get in his own way, not unlike how the Jedi did during the time of the republic. By rewarding power squabbles, he sapped the power of his greatest enforcer, but he also ended up sapping his own power as there were very few competent leaders in high station in the empire over 20 years. This lead to his overall power weakening, and his crusade against alien races lead to a great deal of animosity from the other races. As much as old Palpy hated the Jedi, he was incredibly similar to them.

[@mildlydisinterested]

That bit with Tarkin and the worm that Vader choked was shot before the trilogy was fully mapped out in the first place and nobody knew that the franchise was going to be anything more than another in a long history of soap operas or sci-fi films that nobody would remember. The inconsistency comes from the fact that the creative process took years and had many writers involved. It's a work of fiction. Story inconsistencies will happen sometimes.

[@justinezafra]

The power of the Death Star could indeed drive its posessor mad. It happens with a lot less power than that. What an interesting perspective! 👍🏻

[@briankim1098]

Remember how in the EU Vader had Erv Lekauf whom he basically saw as a friend? He said he was only doing his duty by risking his life in the frontlines and assisted Vader personally? Be a friend like Lekauf.

[@tweso1499]

Indeed. Even one of his offspring were friends with Ben Skywalker and Jacen Solo (at least during the Second Galactic Civil War before he sacrificed himself to save Ben’s life).

[@scottmccrea1873]

Because he killed them! Which makes Motti's rant even more impressive. Guy had battle stations for balls.

[@bigsmoke2233]

Another fact that helped Vader to gain respect after the DS-1 destruction was that he and Iden Versio was the only survivors of the Empire in the Battle of Yavin.

[@hunterm322]

I also think that a lot of people that crossed Vader didn’t live to tell about it. This likely led mystery and rumour. It also was likely that mysterious deaths, disappearances and outright assassinations were common in the Empire and so someone going missing under mysterious circumstances wasn’t that uncommon and therefore didn’t really set Vader apart from the other imperial elite. But when buddy gets force choked in a meeting in front of everyone for talking back, that gets noticed

[@aster4jaden]

I hope you do a Video about Tarkin going mad.

[@RoyalRipper548]

7:10 7:18 7:20 7:24 Vader 😢the Saitama of Star Wars Empire. Always underestimated.

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

I would highly recommend not upsetting Darth Vader. We learned that he only has to think of an individual to Force Choke them. Line of sight means little when he can choke you from a different sector of the galaxy.

[@thepagecollective]

If I'm just to go with what I saw in the movie, and how I saw it instinctively, I didn't see Tarkin as disrespectful so much as asserting himself in a manner as one would expect in front of someone who is out of his Bailiwick. Maybe like a Cardinal in the Court of The Spanish King before the Reformation. I don't know. Or sort of like an emperor who has not yet consolidated power over the military, which is flush with pride over its "new toy." Tarkin lets the confrontation go on just far enough to observe Vader's power and see just what he is up against.

[@kingshadow8782]

Welcome back.

[@Gamerafighter76]

The officers definitely used the Death Star as an excuse for their incompetence.

[@jumangi2322]

Like Lord Vader gave care 😅

[@hxthead]

he didnt give a fuk either

[@geraldbouvy1222]

It's hard to believe starwars was ever this good/universe well developed.

[@Agooo13431]

Ignorant officer insulting the force Vader: I find your breathing to be .. disturbing

[@mider9996]

I think this depiction of Tarkin was or is silly…Tarkin and Vader worked together in Tarkin and other times. He was shown to be an amazingly shrewd man. Would be really be act so dumb just because of power? Not just snapping at Vader but making errors in battle that cost him his life and the destruction of the Death Star

[@eds1942]

Vader called himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, which the galaxy believe, which Gen Taggi believed were a long extinct ancient religious off shoot of the now more recently extinct Jedi. Like many Imperial officers, Taggi doesn’t believe in mysticism or the Force, just tangible military might. So Vader was a bit of joke to him. Vader was happy to set him straight.

[@gloriousginger]

As time goes on, I bet Vader knew the Death Star weakness and let it die.

[@razzakk]

Ole sheeve was like... this mofo is cray! Ok docs put less than good equip on him... make him walk like crap

[@daniels7907]

There's also the Rule of Two to consider. Since Sith apprentices were *supposed* to kill their masters and take their place, putting a Sith apprentice in command of a planet-killing battle station would be a suicidally stupid thing for Palpatine to do. Vader would certainly sacrifice Coruscant or any other world if he followed the Sith ideology. So of course Vader had to be put under the command of a non-Force-sensitive and the standing orders had to be that Vader was *not* to be allowed to take command for *any* reason. I would bet that these orders had cascaded throughout the senior officers and all the way down to the stormtroopers and guards. Which was humiliating for Vader, but necessary to protect the Emperor. Also notice that in RotJ, once the DSII was "fully operational" (in terms of blowing stuff up, but not being hyperspace capable yet), Palpatine only left Vader in command until that point. As soon as he arrived to take personal command of the DSII, Palpatine immediately ordered Vader to return to the Executor. He was taking no chances.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

The rule of two means that Palpatine expect Vader to one day succeed him…. Standing orders to fuck over the galaxy is very Alexander the great, but it doesn’t serve the purposes of the Sith.

[@daniels7907]

@@Matt-yg8ub - Technically, the Sith apprentice is supposed to *kill* their master and take their place. The whole idea being that the Sith should grow ever stronger in this way. Simply allowing the apprentice to inherit the work of their predecessors risks the opposite - somebody of less power and competence acquiring everything through *patience!* Which couldn't be more anathema to the Sith. Even Palpatine was running an extremely carefully mapped out convoluted plan that kept him busy all the time. But he had absolutely *no* intention of just quietly dying and leaving the Empire to Vader.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@daniels7907 spending 30 years, conquering the galaxy to create a Sith Empire and then outlawing Darth Vader from ever being able to access the DS…Kind of defeats the purpose. It’s a bit over the top to expect Vader to assassinate Palpatine AND Tarkin simultaneously

[@daniels7907]

@@Matt-yg8ub - Why? Again, that's what Sith are *supposed* to do! Tarkin is an obstacle and Vader is supposed to remove him if needed because...Palpatine is the Sith Lord and Vader is supposed to *kill* him and take his place! Why would Palpatine make it easy on Vader? Suicide was *not* Palpatine's objective. Nor is there *any* need for Vader to command a Death Star because it's not the kind of weapon that gains any special benefit from having a Force user in command. This is why, in ANH, Vader leads the fighter defense, instead of being in the command room with Tarkin. His assignment from the Emperor was to protect the Death Star, but not to command it.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@daniels7907 This would have been the equivalent of Darth Plagues leaving behind an “in case of my death note” with the banking clan outlining Palpatine’s plan to take over the galaxy. Passing notes that everyone in the imperial hierarchy is supposed to despise the emperor’s right hand man is stupid…… especially when the rule of two means that Vader will one day succeeded him as ruler of the galaxy. This would be the equivalent of Queen Elizabeth making contingency plans in case Charles ever becomes king that no one’s supposed to listen to him and there’s in fact, a giant meteor in orbit with retro rockets that supposed to drop on top of the palace if he’s ever coronated. I mean sure, Palpatine doesn’t wanna make overthrowing him too easy, but let’s be real here ….. He also doesn’t want to set up a system, where the empire he built falls apart because he made it impossible for his right hand man to take over in his absence. Realistically, though if Vader was going to try to take over the galaxy, putting Tarkin in charge of the death star isn’t going to change anything, especially if Vader is supposed to be there as head of security…. He’s just gonna walk into the room force choke everyone in charge, kill everyone else and use the death star as he sees fit.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 507 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@mariandecker3942]

The real reason is, that in a new hope, we only see Tarkins stuff. They know that Vader wont kill them or do something inreversible to them

[@Nephalem2002]

Well when your reputation is about the same as Tarkin’s where you kill anyone who makes a mistake…

[@dirty5305]

Even if I didn’t think the force was real I wouldn’t tell off a 6’8 cyborg lmao

[@Caljostro]

Did he really get the respect back after the destruction of the Death Star? I am no expert in lore, but I think Palpatine blamed Vader personally for the loss, and he was punishing him yet again by taking away (military) power.

[@thebananaspeedruns9275]

Fun fact: maul is one of the few characters to bleed when getting cut by a lightsaber

[@sigiligus]

Funny how he was just “cool looking brute/enforcer” in the original movie and now has all this lore including explaining away why he is so different in the original film.

[@BossHoggBroDog]

I should have guessed the simple answer is “Delays due to strangulation”

[@OGSpaceMarine]

Bruh I’ve been looking for that pic for years LINK IT!

[@dantewhite9117]

Tarkin: Aye bro, you might want to chill talking to Vader like that. Darth Vader: Naw bro, he good. Let him keep talking.

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Vader didnt mind taking orders from tarkin. Tarkin wasnt some arrogant commander, he was a competent politician similar to palpatine. They both respected eachother.

[@sedalionthunder6295]

Also if you look through legends he “educated” those who did not believe……after the death stars destruction.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Must probably didn’t want to be forced choke to death by Lord Vader

[@martincamacho2444]

If the imperials were losing their mind because of this power, I think it would be too long before they decide that they don’t need their emperor Palpatine anymore it seems to me that even without the rebels, the Empire would crumble from within

[@jflariosm]

7:14 Vadernator

[@ericm5315]

You know what's funny? For all of Palpatine's baneite rule of 2 philosophy nonsense his Empire fell apart for the same reasons the Sith fell apart before Bane. He's a slightly different shade of the exact same crap.

[@jacobwest7]

What ive never heard anyone say is even if an average citizen saw a jedi use a force push then it wouldn't mean there is an all powerful force just that these jedi have powers, like a super hero does, a forse ghost is the only way i can think of that should prove there is an all powerful force. Im a Christian so im not trying to sound athiestic i just think that a force push realistically would prove telekinesis to someone like han rather than what it is in the franchise

[@pt5728]

Why? Simple answer, they were nuts!

[@djsharky3822]

Yes it's always a great idea to antagonize the 7-8ft tall fully armed and armored bloodthirsty half crazed menace to society while unarmed with very few witnesses all of which within arms reach.

[@farrahburns6434]

Love Vader 🖤🖤🖤

[@bartsefer5138]

These guys have some balls...

[@foley15136]

All of the disrespect caused Ani to age very quickly.

[@xplosiv211]

Vader had no respect for the death star. He knew the greatest power in the galaxy was the force. The arrogance when they were under attack, badger was the only one to say, do not underestimate the power of the force, and was the only when to perceive a credible threat

[@NtheHecker]

When a Star Wars was made, they needed an imperial idiot to show Vaders powers on so the audience knew he was a menace.

[@thomasparque7834]

The Imperials were fools for disrespecting Vader though a good portion of the blame is on the Emperor’s fault for he allowed his non-Force users to run almost like Sith habits when he should do his best keep it way from the Imperial ranks. Thought it is not to say that they may not have the brains to understand there is no upside to things can’t explain

[@thibaud1832]

Because Sheev Palpatine launched a rumor that Anakin died by autoerotic asphyxiation

[@Gangst3r4ever]

The fact that he got kicked into space by Han Solo and failed to protect the Death Star doesn't really help his case

[@VergilArcanis]

Kinda reminds me of the antithesis to Darth Vader Canon by the channel Seals are Good "I don't think the system works" Imagine if Darth Vader was actually a political nerd

[@MaxWalker.1989]

You say jedi this, jedi that, I personally think a lot of the imperials would maybe have heard stories about the jedi and the force and probably thought jedi was the only ones who could use the force...not knowing about the sith side / the dark side force users Therefore imperial officers maybe thought all the jedi force users are dead so wouldn't expect Vader to be fully capable of doing everything a jedi could do and more maybe that's one reason they underestimated Vader

[@mattskov2917]

Vader was retconned every movie.

[@artmosley3337]

It’s because he lost his … everything below the belly button 😢… secretly they called him Vigder

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

I don't think Vader cares about their respect, just their obedience. He slaughters them all whenever he feels like it so obviously he doesn't respect them.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Ah yes, pride comes before a fall and all of those prideful imperial officers, who uses the completion of the death star to do down and humiliate Vader by thinking themselves above. Would soon get their comeuppance, when his son, blasted them and the death star into atoms over Yavin. Which then immediately reaffirmed Vader's power as in face of the growing might of the rebellion, he as the supreme commander and executor under his command, yet again became most powerful imperial in the empire, apart from the emperor.

[@samcarey6200]

How can a Jedi connect to another Crystal if the original Crystal wasn’t destroyed?

[@NikolaiVolkovski]

Maybe after getting his ash whooped by Obi-Wan again, they realized he was a punk

[@hxthead]

Lord Vader has no need for the respect of insignificant fools

[@lewieanderson6579]

Force chokes frighten everybody

[@onetruekeeper]

Had Tarkin survived and the battle to destroy the death star failed at Yavin it is possible that Tarkin could have moved against the emperor and Vader and after destroying them both he and the military would have controlled the galaxy.

[@paulh2468]

The Imperials may have lost ALL RESPECT for Lord Vader, but I haven't!

[@Eric_Von_Yesselstyn]

Being underestimated... Is a wonderful thing..

[@RobertMcrae-n8w]

Just goes to show ya that YOU NEVER INSULT LORD VADER FOR HE would strike you down with his crimson blade

[@kingofkingz1991]

there is just one question. Motti not only lost respect to vader. He also mocks Vaders believe/religion, which is also the religion of the emporer. So that is kinda off. I mean mocking Vader is one thing but mocking the emporer is deathly for them in any case. Except they didn't know that about the Emporer. That he is a sith