Why Penny is the WORST Bachelorette??

[@limediamond4595]

Hold on, Lummi is real? Sorry I only watch the shorts I forgot she’s like a person and not a voice that’s got me (you look gorgeous btw!)

[@Lummi.a]

HAHAHAH “a voice that’s got me” thank you🥹❤️

[@ipenperson69]

same, i thought "wait wut."

[@SHeR0loCk]

Me who think ists a game character named lumi 😅

[@elizabethshaw7472]

I'm half-convinced the only reason Penny's 10-heart event is in the bathhouse is because ConcernedApe suddenly remembered he made a bathhouse but made no cutscenes for it, and he felt like it would be a wasted location. Although I think one of Alex's cutscenes would make sense there because he actually works out there during winter on a regular basis, so it'd make more sense for him to think to invite someone.

[@Lummi.a]

LMAO true. and i agree w alex!! it would be pretty cool and wouldddd make sense. maybe instead of that god awful 14 heart event of his, CA could’ve used the bathhouse for something fun

[@shorewall]

I always took it as Penny getting real serious about you. She's so prim and modest most times, but she's really in love with you as shown by how she cries if you reject her. So she's willing to be vulnerable and open with you in the bath house, alone, at night. It's a very intimate setting.

[@elizabethshaw7472]

@@shorewall That's a good insight.

[@armanfrold2559]

So the only thing I've found useful with the bathhouse is if you make the train station area a huge forrest for wood farming. Then, if you get low ok energy, you can go into the bathhouse real quick.

[@kargnak]

10:00 Counter point: Children have a way of making innocent interactions sound horrible due to their lack of understanding semantics. She could have just been genuinely shocked about how bad that sounded and panicked. I've been on the receiving end of that situation once and no cheating was involved. Just nosy young siblings doing what they do best by being annoying at the worst of times. Penny's story involves a lot of topics and themes that are specific to either upbringing or personal preference which makes her hard to empathize with to a large audience.

[@Lummi.a]

fair point! i agree that could also be the case. but may i raise u this heheh- children are known to misconstrue situations, so why didn’t penny clarify her relationship with sam? i feel like it’s more sus that she didn’t tell the farmer that her and sam are just friends- knowing that children have a tendency to misrepresent. it’s odd that she got all redddd and was like “don’t gossip!!”

[@Lummi.a]

also, the last part- super fair! i’m sure there are some people that can relate and find her desirable because of that!

[@meow-ss8rl]

Well tbh she doesn't owe us anything the point of the 8 heart event is to be before dating Which means you're not dating her yet So she doesn't owe us any explanation In my opinion they we're just chatting on the tree so they could talk in private while the kids play.. Maybe she was shocked by what Vincent said because he made an Innocent act to get some privacy look horrible​ and she told him not to gossip because that was what they we're trying to avoid by claiming that tree she was shocked that the effort of them trying to get some privacy made it even worse. I hope I was understood because english is not my native language. And if you may ask why would she want some privacy with sam I'll tell you.. Maybe she wanted to tell him in private about her feelings towards the new farmer in town Because as we know the NPCs like her and sam and Sebastian and Abigail and Leah and Elliot are just really good friends and close with eachother @@Lummi.a

[@Ghosttoast_yum]

the way penny’s hearts go down in the first event if you dont agree with her for pushing some dude without his position throws me off especially since she doesnt apologize

[@janogonzalez2513]

You just can't understand

[@galaxycat4240]

Well she does apologize at the end of the event

[@ZeusMakesDoodles]

@@galaxycat4240you still lose hearts if you don’t indulge her

[@galaxycat4240]

@@ZeusMakesDoodles yeah I know I believe it's 20 points, I was just saying she does apologize at the end of the event to George though so she makes up for it

[@Zetalight16]

I dunno, I never had a problem with this. I feel like it's just kind of realistic, people don't like when you call them out for bad behavior, and even if they know you're right they can still be embarrassed and defensive in the moment. The fact of the matter is that if you pander to people (particularly near-strangers like a 2-heart), they tend to like that better than being publicly real with them. If it felt like a permanent detraction that would be one thing, but for me, I have no problem taking the option, losing the points, and then getting to know her better anyway

[@arellajardin8188]

For the 6 heart, you don't have to lie. Take the heart loss. If you tell someone that the thing they were so proud of doing is bad, they're going to get upset. But they will get over it in time. It's not hard to regain the hearts. I think we're so used to game-ifying these relationships, what's optimal. Sometimes we hurt feelings, and it takes effort to build back up what we had.

[@Lummi.a]

u are so right🥹🥹 i’ll cry

[@Ollie_nel]

​@@Lummi.a i cri evrytiem

[@rauchschwalbelp7693]

Nope, I worked in restaurants and Cafes and if I fuck up a meal, I own up to it and not get all mad. That's like...being decent.

[@DenverZenn]

​@@rauchschwalbelp7693Lummi is incorrect here. You lose zero friendship for telling Penny the truth that her recipe was bad. You don't gain friendship points either, though.

[@Spaced92]

But you assume she's mad at you because of a game mechanic, when you choose to criticise her in a situation that leaves her embarrassed and humiliated, she isn't going to love you more. Good writing is giving a third option that doesn't try to pass judgment in one way or another, a normal person doesn't pile on, they defuse the situation and explain how George felt later, making someone apologise without understanding what they did wrong is just for your own satisfaction. Helping a disabled person without asking is not the textbook correct thing to do, but it is hardly a monstrous mistake. I've offered help to a struggling stranger before only for them to collapse after they declined and I walked away, my conscience wasn't clear.

[@TestSubjectNo23]

I think the reason penny got that reaction when Vincent mentions the Sam and tree thing is because she's getting feelings for the player and she doesn't want the player to think they're that close in a romantic sense or make them jealous

[@Lummi.a]

that’s fair!! if i were her i’d clarify it tho, it’s easy for kids to misconstrue situations so it wouldn’t be sus to clarify she doesn’t got anything with sam- the way she reacts is more sus

[@cherylt6146]

@@Lummi.abut pennys family is dysfunctional and her communication skills could be impaired due to trauma and stuff.. 😅

[@pepitaluna3246]

Honestly, just came here to say that we all have our preferences and it's fine. I feel like all the marriage candidates are written in such a way that they're penciled in so you can build and project as much as you want with them. But I just wanted to say how bothered I am with people disliking characters for being "boring" and making them out to be the worst because of it. Not everyone has to be something unique or powerful or quirky to matter. And they don't need to be that way to be appreciated. Penny is simple and traditional for a reason because as much as there's magic and mayhem in Stardew, what makes it home is that it can be comfortably ordinary. Penny's simple dreams can match with some who just probably wants to chill in the valley. Also, her losing hearts with you because you say you don't like children is not that wild to me? I mean, I've had people I grew apart with IRL because we don't share the same principles and I just don't vibe with them anymore. It's probably like that.

[@Lummi.a]

hi! i agree with you! there is definitely someone for everyone in this game! the point of this was to over analyze, so hopefully you don’t think i just diminished it all down to her being boring😅

[@asmrtpop2676]

penny hinting to me that she wants kids made her lose ten hearts with me ❤

[@MissOnana]

So, as a physically disabled individual, I really don't agree with people getting upset at Penny over the 2 heart event. The fact of the matter is that this kind of situation is extremely polarizing for those people like George. You are pretty much just as likely to find someone who would get upset about it, as you are to find someone who would really appreciate the help. Yes, she crossed boundaries, but she was specifically going well out of her way to help someone, and that should really count for more positive points than her not thinking to ask should count for negatives. The fact of the matter is that if we treat disabled folks with kitt gloves and freak out because someone didn't help in exactly the right manner, than people are just going to stop offering help at all, because they don't wanna be the bad guy when they were just trying to help someone who genuinely seemed to need it. Like.... Look at it this way, if you were at the store shopping and were too short to reach something on a high shelf, would you be upset if another customer saw this and grabbed it down for you? No, of course not. Most reasonable people would be fine with that. But because George is disabled, people get all upset about a genuinely harmless action, that would have gone over seemlessly if he were able bodied. Furthermore, through the entire encounter, she was really respectful and polite. She never once said anything to indicate she viewed him in any negative capacity, and was never once dismissive. It's likely the only reason George even gets upset at all is strictly because of how sensitive he is about his condition. Several other events make it really clear that he views himself as a broken burden weighing down the lives of everyone he cares about. He didn't get upset because Penny did something wrong; he got upset because of his own negative self view. That's literally why he changes his tune later in the interaction. He was never mad at Penny; he was mad at HIMSELF for needing help in the first place, and openly acknowledges she did something good and kind for him. George is the disabled one here. If he, by his own admission, says she did nothing wrong, then we should view it the same way. I have a counter argument for every other thing you brought up here, but this was the biggest thing I wanted to comment about. I'd go into the rest, but don't want this to be miles long.

[@tadferd4340]

The reason I don't like the event isn't that she pushed him and then helped him without asking. Some people don't know that it violates bodily autonomy or that they should politely ask someone if they need help. People make mistakes, and can learn from them. My issue with the event is the bad options the player is forced to use and how they affect the event and the mechanical results for the game. The best option is a polite explanation of how Penny should ask first. Turn the event into a learning experience and help resolve the situation between Penny a George. Instead, the best choice is to chastise George for being angry, which to be fair he should apologize after Penny does, and you explained why he acted the way he does. Our only option to point out how rude Penny is is also very rude and just makes the situation worse. The event needs better writing with regard to player options and outcomes.

[@sammulhall]

I feel like it isn’t controversial to say that she should have asked his permission before forcibly moving him.

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@tadferd4340He has nothing to apologize for. To be honest it’s one of the rare moments his anger is entirely justified. Just because she wasn’t expecting it doesn’t mean he isn’t allowed to feel it.

[@tadferd4340]

@@asmrtpop2676 He should still apologize for lashing out.

[@Yadobler]

In China and India, it's common to avoid helping people we see in need because of fear of retribution. Rather they let them get hurt or bleed out. When I did conscription (I'm in Asia btw) I had a stint in my local police division HR. I had trouble getting conscripted officers to renew their First Aid certificates near the end of their conscription period. The common reason I got was that if they are civilian (ie no longer a police), they don't want to do CPR or help anyone injured and end up hurting them more or breaking bones etc. It was crazy because we have Good Samaritan laws in place to protect them, especially with a first aid license The people who are happy to help are almost always westerners. It's a very American thing to stop in middle of the road and offer assistance to someone having trouble with their cars, or even when outside walking. ----- So as an Asian it makes me puzzled why so many feel like it's straight up "rude" and not "good intention, unfortunate execution" I feel like her act is very courageous and selfless, despite having room for improvement Honestly if I was in a new town and I see neighbours roaming around ignoring the old gramp trying to reach the letterbox, my first impression will be, fk this people - lacking morals. At least she went forth. Mistakes made. But she learnt. He snaps. He apologises. She apologises. ---- I'm just very very confused at how people get very mad. People keep citing the "she violated him" in isolation but ignore the intent and context. Then is it not wrong to slay the shadow people knowing they are krobus's kin?

[@transformingwave]

I don't disagree about the sam/penny thing not being platonic, HOWEVER there is the chance she's embarrassed by how vincent words it specifically because she has an interest in your character and doesn't want you to get the idea that she's interested in someone else/spoken for

[@nooobiechild]

Haley's version is probably gonna be two hours long, and I look forward to it.

[@brycearmstrong9370]

It's probably going to be filled with a lot of fangirl squeeing and 'baby-girl'ing.

[@elizabethtrudgill3567]

It would have made sense if Penny had a heart event at the library, just the two of you cosy in a corner with a book and you both take turns reading it to each other.

[@bonkersbusy]

Penny is one if my favorite NPCs. The first heart event doesn't bother me as much as many others, I see it as introducing her as a bit shy, awkward and truly wanting to help, plus, I think the animation was just easier this way. I think Penny id a bit fragile and as we learn more about her we realize it has something to do with her upbringing. I love that CA made the characters grow, or open up as we get to know them as well as making a variety of NPCS to appeal to a variety of players. I would definitely enjoy seeing additional videos like this one.

[@Lummi.a]

fair take! the beauty of it really is how there is someone for everyone. glad you enjoyed hehe

[@brycearmstrong9370]

@@Lummi.a I'd probably make the argument she has a bit more to reveal than others. She doesn't really grow. Only Alex and Haley really show any signs of actual development, while the other bachelors/bachelorettes are more static.

[@Beanz-on-Toast]

I genuinely cannot get over how she acted with George. A wheelchair is a part of a disabled persons body, it is an extension of them and its important for movement and autonomy. Consent is important and when you try to tell her that she doesn't like it. You wouldn't pick up a person with dwarfism if they couldn't get someone off a shelf.

[@lachouette_et_le_phoque]

I agree, I think it's unfortunate that the options don't reflect that at all. I want to say something like "Hey, it's nice of you to want to help George, but you have to ask for permission! The way you pushed him out of the way was really inconsiderate." Instead, you just tell her off for being a terrible person for helping, which isn't gonna get across what was actually wrong and isn't teaching her anything.

[@sourcandy6469]

I don’t like that George apologises to her tbh. I wish concerned ape would rewrite that heart event because it sends out the wrong message

[@Oriandu]

Really? You can't get over someone being so gung ho to be helpful that she unintentionally behaved improperly? Penny is kind, caring, and friendly to a fault. She made a mistake due to being too enthusiastic to help. Not hard to figure out and George forgives her instantly.

[@sourcandy6469]

@@Oriandu At least you understand that it was a mistake. I don't think Penny is evil or did it with bad intentions but the game frames this scene as her being completely in the right and I personally have a problem with it because people with disabilities have to deal with this kind of treatment constantly and it doesn't help to stop people to spread awareness about this important issue.

[@animeotaku307]

@@sourcandy6469My thoughts, too. Even if you point out that she should have asked first and she apologizes, George will still apologize for snapping at her and will say that he should be more open to asking for help. Which is fine, but I wish there was something that acknowledges that Penny shouldn’t have just moved him. Like having him say “just let me know next time so I can move.”

[@RB-yt6rx]

what if Penny was embarrassed by Vincent saying Sam lifted Penny because it DOES sound suggestive in some way. To Vincent he is telling an innocent story but to someone older they might look at Penny like "What? Is he your BOYFRIEND?". If Penny is shy she would be humiliated by people getting the wrong idea. She could be in a platonic friendship with Sam and still get embarrassed if someone thought they were together.

[@hot_soup4319]

I love Penny personally, I didn't marry her in only 1 playthrough cause I was seeing how fast you could marry Leah via buying salads. She's quiet and reserved, is a bookworm, and she wants a family so she kinda ticks like, *all* of my boxes. I also dislike Haley, not a massive fan of girls who insult me until I've brought them a proper amount of gifts lol. Though I can appreciate the whole "Beauty and the Bumpkin" storyline she has.

[@WiisonicHedgehogGamer]

WAIT, THAT HEART SCENE WITH GEORGE WAS PENNY'S? I legit thought that was the old man's.

[@winga9744]

Lmao

[@MarioTheIdea_Vs_MarioTheMan]

Same girl same that's why I told her off for it

[@jetstreamjackie3437]

Honestly the biggest issue I have with Penny is the same issue i have with chasers-she wants to pressure me into having kids with her. Showing any disinterest in kids causes her to recoil, and you can lose *1500 heart points* by telling her you don’t like kids. You can’t be a real person with her, you just have to tell her what she wants to hear. Those are *literally* the reasons I broke up with my last ex. I find Penny really creepy and I don’t like her very much.

[@Lummi.a]

i really wanted to talk ab this in the video!! i figured people would just say “oh but that’s what you sign up for with penny” but i also don’t like how you lose that many heart points for telling her you don’t want kids!! there is an option that doesn’t lose you heart points but it doesn’t exactly say “i don’t want kids” it just says “i wouldn’t be a good parent”

[@orcsmoocher3207]

@@Lummi.a The problem is that you aren't telling her "you don't want kids." You're telling her you *can't stand* kids, after she asks you to help her with a teaching lesson, right in front of the kids. You're telling her to her face, a teacher, that you hate her students, right in front of her students. And then the cutscene ends, so in the context of the scene your farmer rebuffs her very rudely and walks away. Why *wouldn't* you lose 1500 friendship for being a jerk to her like that? The "I don't want to be tied down with a family" option is -10, and there's another option that GIVES you +10 with her. As a loss, -10 is literally nothing in the endgame. People just want an excuse to be a dick to her but not have to face repercussions for it.

[@SpectralNightingale]

I'm sorry, am I misunderstanding something? "She wants to pressure me into having kids with her" no, SHE definitely 100% wants kids. Why would she want to be with someone who doesn't want kids? As for the loss of 1500 points, that happens when you say "I can't stand kids." Not only does she love kids and comes from a dysfunctional family so is probably sensitive and protective over her students... You also said it right in front of the students, the kids who you can't stand. I don't really love kids, but even I'd think you're an asshole.

[@adrianv.9568]

I mean, she literally asks you: "If you'd like to be a guest speaker and share your experience about the countryside with the children", she isn't pressuring you into having kids lol

[@jonttopia]

Makes total sense to me, if you don't want kids she's not a good match for you. She wants kids, I like that she doesn't just roll over and like "oh I suppose I can be in a relationship without kids" . One of the things I don't like about some of the other bachelours/bachelourettes is that they will like you no matter what. It's such a protagonist syndrome thing and kinda creepy. It's refreshing that not all of them are like that.

[@shorewall]

As a Penny fan, I respect your take. I think it's just a matter of taste. Her flaws, to me, are minimized, and her strengths are maximized. It doesn't feel like a reach for me to like her, but if it is for others, then that's fine. :D It's just hard because Haley was my absolute fav from the start, but Penny won me over with her mixture of strength and vulnerability. I feel like Haley has the world at her feet, but Penny does appeal to my savior side. But she brings so much that I never regret it.

[@undeadladybug7723]

Penny's one of those characters that I honestly forget exists in the game, I only bothered raising her hearts at all because it's needed for an achievement. Same thing with Leah (which I get *so* much crap for).

[@savidcaralho]

deservedly so, how TF u don't like leah

[@3racconsinatrenchcoat]

That is honestly something I really hate so much it’s a preference you can like and not like whoever you want

[@Cutebird21]

I mean Leah is a good character but they way she never appears and that she lives far from the town square makes me forget about her

[@lachouette_et_le_phoque]

@@Cutebird21 but she's so easy to gift, she's in the saloon all the time in the evenings and she loves salad so I tend to gift her one any time I have to jump in the saloon anyway, or am trying to make a general gifting round.

[@Cutebird21]

@@lachouette_et_le_phoque Yeah thats true

[@RedTabby10]

Ofc she makes this video right after I started a new game just to marry penny

[@Spoonishpls]

Enjoy marrying the best bachelorette ❤️

[@snekpython1327]

@@Spoonishpls That’s what I’m talking about

[@chordsofsteel-i4j]

every romancable npc is lacking, so how is the lackiest of them all the best.@@Spoonishpls

[@Lummi.a]

LMAO the universe is telling you something

[@Spoonishpls]

@@chordsofsteel-i4j because I like kind, solid marriage candidates who like kids? I'm early 30s now so Halley and Sebastian feel way too young so a good school teacher or doctor is right up my alley. I started playing Stardew in 2016 and my tastes have changed since 😂 plus I'm playing a farming sim, I'm just as boring as Penny, let's be real

[@suan333]

I find funny in a sad way how people keep being so offended because someone says they don't like a pixel. Guys. Penny is not real. She's not gonna be ugly crying with two buns because of this.

[@Lummi.a]

if she was real she so would be crying with two buns LMAOOOOO

[@ZeusMakesDoodles]

Especially Elliott fans

[@Ollie_nel]

​@@ZeusMakesDoodlesElliott fans really be doing too much. If you say you don't like Elliott to them suddenly you don't know what true romance is and you just don't like him because you're too stupid to understand his words (paraphrased obviously)

[@Joesbadatlife]

My theory is that folks who play Stardew Valley dislike the spouses that they themselves are most like. My evidence: I hate Elliot, but my wife insists that i would be him if i were in the game.

[@michaelfryers1914]

This makes a lot of sense. I really don't care for Sebastian that much (not outright hate him) but I am very similar to him of the available characters 😭

[@cheetahcreep]

I'm an Elliot 😂 also realized I married the character most like my wife the first round (Abigail). goth gamer girl isn't a phase folks, it's forever! 😂❤

[@KhanhTheLearner]

There's an old saying that goes like "the most 'normal' looking person might just be the biggest freak" or something like that, or like "That guy that is nice to everyone in the neighborhood and dresses well is the guy that owns an entire dungeon cellar" so I'm not too surprised that Penny wants to meet in the bathhouse tbh.

[@shorewall]

Yeah, and I think it matters that it's you, and a high heart event. She wouldn't do that with just anyone, but she is serious about you, and wants kids, which means sex. I think she is getting ready to be yours.

[@Vesemir8400]

Penny is a modest girl and called you to the most outspoken place, because she is not even a fan of going to the saloon, and openly confessed her feelings, stepping over her indecision that was at the beginning. And the fact that she was rejected is quite a normal reaction after such steps. And losing a lot of points is quite normal for a broken heart.

[@the_amost]

fun fact: following the tsundere archetype original meaning haley is a tsundere, meaning lummi likes a tsundere

[@MewMichaiah]

Okay, I think I have a handle on Penny’s issues and I can summarize. Her biggest problem is: she’s fragile. She lacks confidence, needs you to lie to her or say pretty words to gain her favor, and openly shows distaste if you express opinions that don’t align with her values (when she asks if you want a family someday). She’s unable to cope with you having thoughts that are different from her own. It’s an invasion of the pretty reality she surrounds herself with, where she IS a good cook, where the things she does out of kindness are always correct (instead of well-meaning, but wrong, like with George), and where her love of kids is a moral imperative rather than an opinion. The thing is, living with an alcoholic mother, it makes sense that she closes herself off to the truth and only wants to see things through rose-colored glasses. It keeps her from having to see how ugly the reality of her life actually is. This is even evidenced by her living space- the trailer is a mess, the yard outside the trailer is littered with trash, but Penny’s room is this pretty, cozy space, tucked away from the rest of the house through the safety of a closed door. It’s a coping mechanism, and it makes sense for her character. So, basically, Penny has trauma and she’s in a bad home situation, which makes her fragile, which in turn makes her… kind of frustrating to date. If you can’t accept that you can be wrong, can be bad at things, etc, you aren’t ready to date someone, because there is a LOT of compromise in relationships. I’d even go as far as saying she’s used to being a victim, and is just playing the role she’s been given. It’s not really her fault, this is just what her life has been like forever- it’s what she’s used to, so it’s how she behaves. TL;DR the problem with dating Penny is you’re dating someone who isn’t ready for a relationship and it *really* shows. get this girl some therapy. thank you for coming to my TED talk

[@august_unidentified]

This is quite literally EXACTLY how I feel I wrote out a comment very similar about having to walk on eggshells and you really encompassed those points 🫶

[@ChibiMoyashis]

As someone who's been in a similar position as her, you're absolutely right. Penny is not in a mental state where she would bring anything healthy to a relationship- the girl desperately needs therapy, probably as much as Shane does (albeit for different reasons). That is, unfortunately, easier said than done while living with her mother. Therapy for domestic abuse while living with the person just... doesn't work. I wish we could help Penny move out without marrying her, and have her character develop in a healthy way before her 10-heart event. Then, she might genuinely have the potential to be an amazing girlfriend or spouse! And she is still a good person (as much as anyone is, anyway). As it stands... not so much....

[@SketchUT]

I would love to hear your thoughts on Elliott. It seems like nobody in the community likes him (note that I’m fairly new to the community, but I’ve been playing for a good minute) but he is by FAR my favorite of any of the candidates, and maybe of the townsfolk entirely. He gets me right in my hopeless romantic heart and is just genuinely so kind and loving of a husband that I can’t imagine why anyone would dislike him unless they never got that far with him in friendship. I mean, I understand if a lovey guy isn’t your thing, but what about the platonic side? Idk, he deserves better imo

[@wrona_serowa]

As a fellow major Elliott fan I absolutely agree he deserves better in the Stardew community 😭 I feel like a lot of people misunderstand his character and/or don't take the time to try and get to understand him.

[@Kazelita]

I don't like the air of resignment Penny always has, I know it makes sense for her, but I don't get a sense of progress in her character as the player gets more hearts with her. Also, her heart events don't point towards anything, there's no arc or story to follow and I don't feel like I'm developing a friendship with her. And I really dislike how we loose friendship points for telling her the truth. The options aren't even some mean or inappropriate dialogue as with other characters. Besides the fact that I feel bad for her life situation, there's nothing going on with Penny that I like.

[@Lummi.a]

“air of resignment” is such a good way to describe it. in actual literature, static characters are always necessary to the plot- the main characters always being the ones to change. so a lot of us enjoy more progression with our dateables- myself included! penny, as you said, doesn’t have that sense of progression. it’s like her problems are just left unsolved. she’s like byeeee pam gonna go live on a farm and make babies🤣

[@shorewall]

@@Lummi.a But that kinda does solve her problems. She can't change her mom, but she needs her own space. She wants to take care of others, but really, she wants a family of her own. Getting married is what she wants, and that's fine. But it isn't the most interesting or free thinking, for sure. Also, I think her heart events being so strict isn't that you can't tell her the truth, but that she knows what she is looking for. She doesn't want to just fool around. She wants to get down to business. I do think she is the kind of girl that appeals more to men. For me, Penny and Haley are my 1 and 2. My attraction to Haley started off completely shallow with her long blonde hair and figure, whereas Penny is easy to overlook. And while I was happy to see Haley change over time, Penny really got her hooks into me. At the end, I felt like Haley had the whole world at her feet, but I felt like I was Penny's world. :D

[@boombya2556]

I am just like Penny... Should I cry? I've never played stardew valley actually I just like watching her videos

[@strandedgeek]

8:00 Given what's happened so far, I feel like I can kind of understand the storyline they're trying to go for. You're introduced to Penny who gets yelled at guy the grump after doing something as is meant to be nice. Helping someone who is struggling & even he admits he was being a jerk. Pam's mom yells at her for doing something nice such as cleaning up the place. 3rd event, Penny is trying something new & being a good person you do the polite thing & encourage her (especially if you're trying rizz her up) because while it's obviously bad the sweet thing to do is not to be rude & being blunt about it (though I will agree a constructive advice option would've worked better). A common mistake in video games is sometimes what you want to say a person is not what the dev team (not helped when the text doesn't match the dialogue line) if you're familar with Starwars ToR: you could pick something thinking it's playful banter only for it sound like an a-hole.

[@tadferd4340]

Yeah, a lot of my issues with Penny's events are a writing issue and not a concept issue. The player gets awful options for responses.

[@Eranderil]

I actually grew up in a community where it as more frowned upon to offer help than to just jump in. I actually got hit with "Obviously, why are you wasting time asking when you see me struggling??" more than once.

[@Crush1084]

I've been hit with both. People exhaust me sometimes.

[@Eranderil]

@@Crush1084 Once I moved out and halfway across the country I found it to be a lot more rare than my hometown. Been on both southern corners of the US, the northwest one, and fairly close to the northeast one. I find folks in other places other than where I grew up tend to vary ALOT. But eh, variety is the spice of life.

[@kleimannlida]

her dialogue is also pretty repetitive and not that engaging for me. like, on 3 hearts all she said to me “sorry bout my mom everyone knows that she’s a piece of crap” yeah okay girlie i am sorry but not in a way that i want to marry you and she probably has anxiety issues in relationships because of her trauma so it would be pretty hard to build a relationship with her imho

[@Lummi.a]

yupppppp i agree completely. i did a whole section about her dialogue that got cut ;(

[@ZeusMakesDoodles]

And I hate how if you say “I don’t want kids” you lose almost ALL of your hearts I don’t know why she’s so offended considering your not even married let alone dating

[@shorewall]

Because she wants kids and wants to get married. If you don't, then she's crossing you off of her list. It isn't like she's a big socializer.

[@ZeusMakesDoodles]

@@shorewall so that means the only reasons she makes friends is to get married to them and have kids? Like

[@ZeusMakesDoodles]

@@shorewall you can want to have a big family and have a social life

[@LaydiNite]

I would say that whether you want kids or not is a pretty big deal in a relationship. If you really want kids and the person you're dating really doesn't, it's understandable to me why that might be a deal-breaker.

[@lachouette_et_le_phoque]

@@ZeusMakesDoodles well, in SV the friendship meter can't distinguish between romantic or platonic relationships so it still makes sense - there wouldn't be a way to only penalise the player for a romantic relationship path only, unless you alter other rules about how the game works

[@emma_nutella58]

Nah cause the way Penny pushes George out of the way like that he’s in the way is hilarious to me 😭

[@TheFireOpal]

This video was made for me!!! 😂 (Great in-depth character analysis!!! That kind of stuff is my jam! ❤️)

[@Lummi.a]

omg so glad u liked it🥹🥹 i love over analyzing things

[@UrpleSquirrel]

I get annoyed at the number of people that treat Penny's two-heart event as evidence that she's somehow irredeemably awful. She did something out of a genuine desire to help someone who she saw was having trouble, and it turned out she handled it wrong. Should she have known better? Probably, yeah, but she didn't know better and made a bad call. A person can screw up and not be a horrible person! People are like "You lose friendship points if you tell her she should have asked!" But it's an amount you gain back from talking with her, like, twice? In context, it looks like you lose friendship points 'cause she realizes you're right and she's embarrassed, and she relaxes when she realizes that you pointing out that she messed up doesn't mean you hate her. Also, Penny is far from the only character to have awkward moments in their heart events. I'm just saying that I don't see people hating on Haley because her two heart event is dragging you, still mostly a total stranger, into an argument between her and her sister.

[@squidmom3162]

Man. As someone with a physical disability, I always get so irritated by people without physical disabilities trying to weigh in on whether what penny did is okay or not. You don’t have that experience. If George, the character who actually has the disability says it’s fine, then that should be that. If you DO have a physical disability that hinders you in a similar way, that’s fair. But saying “you shouldn’t help a disabled person without asking” when you have no idea how those people actually view it feels so entitled.

[@Kronosaurus-1924]

So, “asking before touching someone else” is now an entitled opinion?

[@squidmom3162]

@@Kronosaurus-1924 but that’s not what was said, was it? Tell me where I said that. I said if you don’t experience or understand the feeling of experiencing something, you don’t get to have an opinion on that experience.

[@Ahrimane]

@@squidmom3162That’s ridiculous. People can make inferences based on similar experiences they have had. This is a key part to empathy. These experiences don’t have to be exactly alike. In addition, it’s fine to have an opinion about anything you want including things you haven’t experienced, though it will be more difficult to convince others to share your opinion without it.

[@nellyf.3153]

This is my first playthrough with a male character and I knew I would marry Penny right away. She has this cute, girl next-door vibe, she loves children, she tries to make a difference for them. The other girls dont spark my interest at all. To each their own but I was surprised to see how much hate Penny got tbh haha.

[@shorewall]

For real, she is the ultimate farm wife. Not for everyone or every playthrough, but she is really good.

[@I_am_Here__]

8:25 One thing I want to say here is that if you say that you lose a lot of Hearts, let's see. The thing is that anyone can have that opinion, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, because it's understandable that someone doesn't like children, idk because they're loud or just because you're impatient, maybe it's strange that somebody doesn't like children. It doesn't really matter as long as you don't do anything to the kids, and the farmer never does anything to the kids, so here's the thing. I don't like that Penny can't accept any opinion other than her own.

[@winga9744]

I wish to get a more detailed relationship table in game interactions, for example while playing the game i do not feel like i can see the change of behaviours in my bachelor's life enough. Seeing abby in caves with us, seeking some wild plants with leah, taking some photos with haley ( she can take our photo while i am struggling with fucking fishs), petting animals with shane, going to the city with max for music etc. Okey we can go to the cinema but this can be really boring after a while. Additionally, i really cannot feel their change in our relation except some of cutscenes, helping sebs for beating his smoking addiction like our affect in shane's life or giving some morale to the abby for her real hair, furthermore; talking about his real dad and more... While the heart events i cannot feel their actual emotional changes :( Note: I loved your real appearance lummi

[@Xecryo]

See for the two heart event I always go with the "That was a nice thing you did, Penny." as a way to deescalate. Like clearly she wasn't trying to be rude so I pass the hint to George. As for the Sam thing here's how I interpret it. So you can only start dating someone once they reach 8 hearts you might not be planning on dating Penny as far as Penny is concerned you are just a good friend. It could be that she's into you and just waiting for those flowers that may or may not be coming. Now she has Vincent blurting out a potentially PG-13 encounter and she's worried that you're not going to like her anymore even though she's not dating Sam. Otherwise she's not tied down so if you want it better put a bouquet on it. XD Oh so for the bathhouse, well let's face it there's a lot of suggestive material in this kid friendly game. I always interpreted that you two running the bases so to speak. Kinda like hiding in the bushes with Abigail. Penny invited you to swim, at night, alone, while you are dating.She knew what she was doing and you knew what was going on when you went there which again makes the rejection all the more heartbreaking. This was her pulling out all the stops for you. I know you don't really hate Penny and she's fictional I feel the same way about Haley while still recognizing her growth in heart events. I just always feel so bad for the character and I swear if I'm not going for Abigail I end up with Penny. PS: I would like to see more character analysis. Respect for my fellow English Majors.

[@jrakko]

I like Penny cause I think her goals line up the best with the player character. Let's face it, most of these characters would be bitterly contemplatibg divorce after a couple years stuck on a farm in Pelican Town raising my kids while I run around in the Skull Caverns till 2 AM every night. Whereas I think Penny would be genuinely happy as my opulent farmhouse tradwife

[@ur._.localneptune]

EXACTLY, GETS YOUR HANDS AWAY FROM SAM, PENNY. (Idk her sprites scare me, she looks like a cartoon mom)

[@bloodiedmirrors]

maybe I connect with Penny a lot as a character and personality, but it feels like she gets misunderstood sometimes but I do agree with the points as far as context clues go, because it does seem offish but I think that’s just the game itself-im more than willing to talk about Penny I love this game so much and ironically I relate to her a lot. I married Penny the first time I played Stardew and personally she seemed really sweet to me, just wanting to become a teacher and help her mom quit her alcoholism.. but that is MY personal opinion. This game is very open to interpretation and it’s a beautiful world of a game.

[@tobiasnguyen2502]

I also connect with Penny a lots: parents divorced, reclusive, okay with kids, eagerly try to help others, sometimes messed up and made the situation worse,...and has a traditional goal of getting married and work to support family. Heck I'm literally Penny but as a male, o ly different is I'm into gaming than reading books.

[@aidandelrey]

please do shane next! he is the best bachelor in the sense his heart events tell an actual story… alex’s story is good too (if you’re playing as a male farmer)

[@darbanville13]

I just wish bringing him to the farm didn't make him room worse. Wtf

[@snekpython1327]

Penny is just a wonderful person with realistic goals who just wants a normal life. What’s so wrong with that???

[@chordsofsteel-i4j]

people don't really want realism in video game, they are looking for something fun. NOT boring. but honestly i didn't even know Dardew valley was a romance game until well into my first playthrough cause all the cutscenes felt so non intimate and friendly.

[@august_unidentified]

I think what bothers me the most about the two heart event is that yeah, everyone makes mistakes, everyone in real life has to learn and grow from those mistakes accordingly, ofc nobody is perfect however part of making mistakes is apologizing to the people that they may have affected and then changing your behavior and taking accountability for it, unlike Haley where you can kind of contribute to her being a better person and rub off on her, the fact that you have to “start over” again because penny loses hearts for you telling her what she did was wrong is such a bad look, like a genuine mistake is not to be heavily criticized IF it is addressed and implements a change in behavior, it feels like the only way to progress with penny is giving up your morals and becoming a yes man to everything she does because she can’t take criticism Edit: I just believe the proper thing to do in any situation is to ask consent before you help somebody with a disability in the way you’re planning on doing so

[@TheDevastator619]

“But the context clues are context clueing!!” Had me rolling!! 😂😂

[@ishlara6531]

A different take for the 8 heart event is, if I love someone that I was trying to impress and my little sibling says hey this guy picked her up, you wouldn’t want them to get the wrong idea but yet again I understand your point of view

[@FurryMIG]

Lummi: "Being mean makes me feel bad." Lummi is a sweet girl. I would hug Lummi.

[@silviap4478]

Every other bachelor abd bachelorette can take it if you reject them. They don't lose a ton of hearts. Penny is a walking red flag

[@armanfrold2559]

She was mt first marriage when first played stardew. I felt connected to her broken home situation and liked the idea of having a traditional housewife and the stereotypical prairie schoolteacher. But then... THEN.... I started getting to know Hayley ❤❤❤❤

[@darbanville13]

I married her to get her out of that camper. Then when I later learned that I could fix them a house, I divorced her and married Elliot lol

[@armanfrold2559]

@darbanville13 I thought at first the fixed house was only because of the fact I married her. Only to find out it wasn't. Then after marrying Hayley, she helps Penny and the kids out was very freaking cute

[@gummitheguppy5901]

for the 8 heart event, it gives the vibe to me personally that penny didn't want you to get the wrong idea, so she worries when vincent says that, bc it sounds bad out of context and she doesn't want you to assume she's cheating or something. But yes i hate penny great video

[@TheNicMMc]

10 heart confusion bothers me too. It would be so much easier for the developer to change NPCs to just either flirt, blush in embarrassment, say thank you, or even push back for getting a bouquet because they hate flowers, than for all of them to say "Oh great, we're dating now" even though they all act pretty much the same except with one or two lines of romantic dialogue.

[@cherrytrifles]

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO SO MUCH RAAAHHHH !!!!!!

[@Lummi.a]

THANK U RAAAAHHHHH

[@Dark_Detective]

Here's the thing about Pam, the trailer has 1 bedroom and Pam let's Penny have it.

[@griffinbaker-royo1209]

I would love to see a full analysis of Emily like this!

[@gracelessw.e]

My personal theory on why Penny’s 10 heart event is in the bathhouse is due to the remoteness and serenity of the environment! She lives in a tiny trailer in the middle of town with her mother, and there are people everywhere she goes. She never really gets much time to destress in relative isolation, and the bathhouse is perfect for that. It’s the calmest environment as far away from people as possible! I just wish she went to the bathhouse more often to destress on a regular basis. Like once per month or something. Also, I used to HATEEE Penny because of her first heart event, but I’ve recently come around! I hate her first event still, but the fact that no matter what you say, GEORGE apologizes? That makes me think it’s not Penny’s fault that ConcernedApe didn’t capture the nuances of a stubborn old man in a wheelchair refusing to ask for help when he needs it (I am coping)

[@Josie-if8lj]

Please do more of these!! Would LOVE to see a series

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

I do like befriending George and finding out the reason behind why he's angry and that there is a nice guy underneath that

[@brandonrb]

love your voice. Also I agree with you about Penny and Haley

[@little_creecher]

I just wish that there was more expansion on her friendship with Sam, we just see them at the bridge, carry her into a tree, and at the Flower Dance. They never talk about each other! Imo, she has more chemistry with Maru!

[@brycearmstrong9370]

Yeah, even if I'm not romancing her, I usually install an overhaul mod to flesh out Penny some more. (Favorite mod is a Rival Events mod that pairs her and Maru together)

[@crazyb135]

This is so funny and love deep dives in videgame characters lmao

[@LizPhillips-i3e]

Penny is acting like this perfect little nice girl when in one of her heart events she literally starts crying if you tell her that you don't like her in a romantic way.😑

[@dulouis6059]

This is AFTER you're dating Penny though, like after you have given her a bouquet. Poor girl probably feels strung along a little.

[@MrGearsfan5]

@@dulouis6059 this

[@Lummi.a]

while i agree- the cutscene makes it seem like you’re not dating yet tho? so it’s a lil confusing

[@SpectralNightingale]

I mean it's a pretty normal reaction, no? Everyone feels upset if they get rejected

[@LizPhillips-i3e]

Don't get me wrong, I would cry too, but at least I wouldn't do it in public and in front of the person who rejected me. And Penny's reaction isn't true to her character

[@umbranigra9871]

About Sam and Penny, I do think it's just platonic. She reacts like thisbecause she has started having feelings for the player, and because she is shy and anxious by nature. Most shy and anxious people I know react like that too. XD Penny is also my favorite, but I respect your feelings. UuU

[@rauchschwalbelp7693]

I got more bugged by her HUGE relationship loss when you say you don't want kids. Like giiiiirl, calm down, we're not dating, not married and you get mad?! And in the 10 heart event she throws herself at you half naked first thing, like ??? When I enter a relationship my next move is not to strip down in a PUBLIC BATHHOUSR.

[@orcsmoocher3207]

uh. quick question. in what way is inviting your friend / new partner to go *swimming* with you "throwing yourself at them" or "stripping." that's more on you pearl-clutching than her, you act like she dragged you to the strip club or something lmao

[@SpectralNightingale]

Do you mean the -1500? That happens if you say "I can't stand kids" right in front of the kids. Saying you don't want kids is only a -10, which is nothing

[@Tobenatorr]

I still don't get the hate but different people have different opinions and can choose to have different reads of scenes. To me, and I may be bias because Penny is one of my favorites, but I see the 2 events that Lummi didn't like is she was just trying to help, could it have gone better, sure. And then when Vincent calls Penny out with what happened with her and Sam I look at it as more of embarrassment to Penny. I would think as you get further into the heart events the bachelor/bachelorettes tend to get close lo liking you more so with Vincent saying that she was embarrassed at that in front of your character, someone she likes. Those are my critiques to the scenes but as I've said, everyone can have different opinions and that's fine

[@tonylubas877]

Penny is a very safe option for marriage because she's just really traditional for a wife, which isn't bad all, but she lacks a umph factor. I like Penny as a person but not so much as a love interest. Her 4 heart event struck a chord with me cause I can relate to mental abuse and etc. from a parent. I'd definitely be in a platonic friendship with her, and that's all

[@okami4212]

I get what you mean 😭 I 100% have a gut feeling that penny is doing something sneaky

[@Niveous23]

How you feel about a character says a lot more about you. Just a window into your soul. Because the reasons you gave had layers and childhood stories to them. It's interesting. I grew up in an abusive home, took on a more mature role than my age, and while I actually really love no holds barred honesty, someone that went through all that gets a pass from me. It's not easy to open up when you've been told you're essentially nothing. It's easy to talk shit when you had a loving home, and talk all the basic talking points about honesty like Maru. I could see it, there's a reality where I folded. Everyone I trusted and loved treated me like trash. I can see myself escaping with books, being afraid of criticism, being closed off. I was lucky, I got mad and spiteful. I fought. Not every child does. So yea, I wanna protect people like Penny. It's almost like the Shane arc. The whole, "I can fix them" mentality.

[@xdesertxbloodx]

You didn’t make the connection out loud but it’s a theme with Penny, you can’t tell her the truth. You can’t tell her pushing George’s wheelchair without his permission is not okay. You can’t say her cooking needs work. That, to me, is enough to make her my least fave.

[@DanteMikial69]

Hmmm yeah that bathhouse scene I didn't like either if you don't accept her feelings, I didn't like the way she just bursted into tears then ran off afterwords

[@shorewall]

Lol, then don't lead her on with the bouquet! :D

[@theAutumnalAnomaly]

You mean after the whole part where youre both already months well into a relationship. That whole part? Whatre you stupid?

[@jordangolden8159]

How do you open the cheats menu? Or is it a mod?

[@danitzaiturra4491]

omg, the voice in my head now have a face!!!!:D u are so pretty and your voice too, thank you for doing so funny shorts

[@TheLazyBeanss]

I saw this video and NEEDED to watch it at 2am

[@KrypandeNej1]

What a weird way to say she is the best girl

[@Lummi.a]

LMAO false

[@JasonOshinko]

I don't see this mentioned in the video or comments, but my biggest turnoff for Penny is when she asks if you want to have kids and you say no, and her response is something like "humans would go extinct if everyone felt that way." I personally don't have or want children, and have been told this in real life many times. My response to that is usually either "well, so what" or "it's literally impossible that everyone will feel that way so that's a stupid and irrelevant argument." It just irks me and it's also kind of insensitive to people who may want children but can't have them.

[@nicolegleason5727]

Rating of heart events: ❤️2:it was a nice thing to do ❤️4:it’s a good thing to clean up that’s not her fault ❤️6: she’s trying to do something new, you don’t _have_ to lie ❤️8: it’s very good she’s teaching the children and it isn’t good to gossip and it might give the player a wrong impression ❤️10: crying if you say that would make someone cry like that also that stuff requires work so it would be relaxing Overall:9.6 /10

[@Pearlbytezz]

You should totally analyze Hailey and Emily next lummi 😈😈🙏

[@GigiRahm]

love the color, what's the mod name

[@Livefiref3]

The funny terria farm game has some heated discussions it seems.

[@ethanhorn6093]

Here is a different interpretation with Penny's surprise at Vincent narc'ing on her. I think at this point Penny is clearly romantically interested in you and doesn't want her platonic relationship with Sam to be misconstrued by you, the Player in that moment... The irony of that theory is then punctuated by your belief it implies a romantic interest in Sam and off puts you. Of course, your interpretation is definitely a valid one.

[@justsomeone890]

Did anyone watch the movie All about Eve? Idk why Penny gives me Eve-Vibes tho

[@kortera]

i wonder if the bath house is somewhere that she thinks Pam would never go so there is no chance of her interrupting?

[@TheAlmostOtaku]

Id like to see this done with others

[@Lulu.woodbottom]

WAIT NO THIS IS MY BESTIE NOOO PENNY IS 11/10 😭❤

[@faeagenda7995]

First few times I saw the picnic cutscenes I was already married with children Penny: do u want kids? Me: ... Sebastian and I have two. Three if you count our froggy son like.

[@mrblakeboy1420]

on the first one, she’s just a bit clueless about emotions, likely due to living with somebody like pam, who gets mad even if you do exactly what she wants on the third one, it’s more concernedape’s fault for not including more dialogue options than penny’s fault for responding the way she does i’m gonna stop the video here to avoid spoilers, i’ll try to remember come back to edit this comment when i experience the rest of them

[@Gingerninja738]

No body can beat me bbg haley best bachloret

[@Alcadias0]

Its conflicting because you have great tastes with Haley but horrible taste when it involves penny

[@Teddy-hp9zy]

I am a pam stan first and if her daughter and I become friends along the way to becoming Pam’s bestieeee that’s incidental /hj

[@malia.amorosa]

The thing is she is not depicted to be problematic when she clearly is. She's traumatized but that's not explored the same way Shane depression is for example. She is kind and cute but there are also so many red flags that don't get addressed that make me sick. Glad to see some comments recognizing them tbh. Characters can have flaws, many candidstes are flawed, but they make up for them and there's an evolution that I don't see here.

[@TyranntX]

Since Haley is your fave, you should do her next.

[@Atas_yt]

funny story when i married penny on my main account on mobile i chose the straberry option got all of those items and the star decal for some reason

[@laurinhaxd1]

I loved this analysis, make one of those for Haley pleaseee

[@Shadow.Darkraven]

what mod is that making the dirt look like dirt and all that?

[@tobiasnguyen2502]

For complaining about how this would went out in a realistic scenario, you and everyone in the comment sure weight a lots on heart points. Story time: I once accidentally push my friend of a step and got him scrathed. I was so nervous I ran off without saying sorry first to find bandage, only to come back when he's already treated. He understands, and he said he wasn't angry, just a bit disappointed. We stopped hanging out much, I was too embarrassed yo look at him in the eyes, and we stopped interact like friend. It's like that with Penny 2-heart event, sometimes you tried to do better, but ended doing worse. In a realistic scenario, she doesn't hate you for correct her, she was embarrassed that she had to corrected. She has insecurities. I choose the option where she should have asked for consent, I don't even it lose heart points, it's the right things to do. And George understands that, he understands she was trying to help, but did it in a rude way, and after hearing her sorry, he decided to also apologize, as to help cleared away her remorse. That's chivalry. He just grumpy, inside he's a good man. I rather see that then seeing him yell at her in the middle of the town, which I have experienced in real life. It was so awful, the young girl who got yelled was in tear afterwards. Next, we have 8 event, which she loses lots of heart points only if you choose the 3rd option - you can't stand kids. I guess ConcernedApes could have added an option that you were busy with something else, and she will lose a tiny amount of heart. The statement of the 3rd option can come off as rude or hateful, but losing that much heart is a bit crazy I have to admit. Aside from that, the other options is all ok. Unlike Haley, whom is very straightforward with herself, Penny has insecurities; they are polar opposite, which made sense for your hatred against her Lummi. The reason while I write this long-*ss comment is because I'm the same as her, and it felt like I'm being insult. If you do read this comment, I would like to thank you for taking your time reading this. I hope to see more of your videos.

[@elydragonfly]

Penny is one of these NPC I wouldn't notice the disparition from the game, if it ever happened lol Same with Alex, that's probably why I ship them 🤣 They're nice, they have a sad backstory but I could really play without knowing them at all.

[@Oliviarodigoobsessed]

Hi lummi! Is this a different kind of stardew??

[@kotzithecat2466]

She is the best