Why People Are Freaking Out About James Charles, Duke's Controversy, Face Tattoos Hit New Low & More

[@jayylad38]

Timestamps since Phil didn't do them! 0:06 James Charles Birmingham 4:02 Face tattoo 4:52 TIA 6:42 Duke University scandal 11:09 Government shutdown over?

[@datchico3004]

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[@Blueeiris]

Thank you

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Hallelujah

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[@Taikamuna]

_James Charles did an oopsie_

[@RobinFlysHigh]

Oopsie Doopsie

[@chaosdream21]

Tight

[@maddy2860]

James Charles is an oopsie

[@idrisab399]

ITS THE DOMINO DUDE WHO HAD A YIAY LOVE AFFAIR WITH JACKSFILMS

[@snowblind8572]

*his parents did an oopsie

[@FallingPicturesProductions]

"Here is the attention you ordered ma'am" Perfect way to wrap that up.

[@joycewible8816]

Weird that I read this exactly as Phil said it.

[@gregzeke2956]

Despite despacito’s success it isn’t real

[@droganovic6879]

The only other way I can think to wrap that one up would be with a "don't be stupid, stupid"

[@JosephJonesJRJ]

I came to post the exact Sam thing. Laughed out loud at that line. 😂

[@MrRapstars]

If I'm outside class and decide to talk to my friend in French, Chinese or any other language no one should be offended. This is a conversation between us and we chose a language we are comfortable in.

[@RealityCheckNews]

If you're hanging out in the students lounge, you should either talk in a tone, volume and language that is not distracting to the other people in there, or you should take it somewhere else.

[@tehking111]

@@RealityCheckNews a case for them talking loudly could be made. I'd even accept an argument that all communication in English classes should be in English and other subjects should be mostly English. Having a private conversation in a public space shouldn't have restrictions on the language you can use if that's what language you feel comfortable using. If you get uncomfortable hearing different languages then I think the issue is with you.

[@setofreakinkaiba8553]

@@RealityCheckNews you should talk our language because we find u distracting. XD

[@cats1970]

RealityCheckNews Why force them to speak English, were you planning on listening along?

[@RealityCheckNews]

@@setofreakinkaiba8553 Du kan gluffa en travving. :)

[@_quirkless_7838]

0:00 Why People Are Freaking Out About James Charles 4:01 Face Tattoos Hit New Low 4:51 TIA 6:41 Duke's Controversy 11:09 Government Shutdown Update 16:52 Bye

[@ashleygreyson8022]

Ty

[@wrosebrock]

Wish I saw this before sitting thru the first non-news story

[@prihaps]

Lol the last one

[@momobunny2456]

Thank u deku ✌🏾

[@BeardFaceSuper]

Thanks. Phil's lazy ass should be doing this. I really don't give a shit about what people are offended about or what stupid thing a KZbinr did. Also, TIA is just the trending page.

[@cassyvanderver3201]

"Here is the attention you ordered ma'am" 😂😂

[@supernintendochalmers1948]

Cassy Vanderver well atleast I’m not a homophobe

[@cassyvanderver3201]

@@supernintendochalmers1948 huh?

[@Toby45x]

@@cassyvanderver3201 ITS MA'AM

[@Toby45x]

@@cassyvanderver3201 btw he is refering to a viral video, just search "its maam original" onYT

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Cassy Vanderver 🧡🧡🤣🤣🤣🦜

[@JessiieB]

Wow I was starting to think I wasn’t going to get Phil’d in today

[@clevelandmaker386]

hi

[@Icini]

Mmmmm phil tastes good.

[@hahasaha8171]

Ikr I thought that he was busy

[@AutumnOnFire]

@@DK-uc9zr *C-men. Commentary Men, to be clear.

[@CasualKing21]

Same

[@thisisabadname7599]

NO TIMESTAMPS WTF PHIL I'm not angry..... I'm just Disappointed

[@jayylad38]

Timestamps since Phil didn't do them! 0:06 James Charles Birmingham 4:02 Face tattoo 4:52 TIA 6:42 Duke University scandal 11:09 Government shutdown over?

[@LordElfiian]

@@jayylad38 Thanks! Weed through drama news

[@sarah-zv3bv]

@@jayylad38 god bless your soul

[@jayylad38]

Anytime guys! I also made a comment with them :)

[@thisisabadname7599]

@@jayylad38 People should be more like you

[@xsteveconwayx]

Regarding the Duke thing, it sounds like this woman was trying to protect the international students from professors who were aiming to punish students for using a language other than English among themselves. My ex's first language was Chinese and sometimes speaking Chinese to a fellow Chinese speaker was just easier for her. She could speak English just fine, but sometimes it's simply faster to speak your native language and there's less chance for error. Or maybe they were simply having a friendly, casual conversation between each other and it shouldn't matter what language you're speaking to your friend. I'm in my 30's and I will still say "dude" a lot when I'm having a conversation with my friends at work. You don't need to be 100% professional all the time. That's not how the real world works and if your place of employment is so strict that you can't speak in a relaxed manner with your colleagues, that is a bad place to work.

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

Pretty much this. Especially when we talk about languages where it might be hard to say something 100% in English. As in, you sometimes can't express same things in English as you can in your native language so you speak in your native. Just wanted to add this.

[@Vikkigamesbadly]

I think what the problem is that they were worrried that the Chinese students were talking shit about them and I t made them uncomfortable and they wanted to put an end to it .

[@Vikkigamesbadly]

Shy Computer I have seen it happen before

[@NyangisKhan]

Also Chinese students are *loud* as hell. Especially when they're speaking Chinese. IDK if it's the culture or just plain rudeness, but they're loud. As a guy who has quite a few Chinese friends, I can confirm that they're loud when they're speaking Chinese.

[@captainferrite]

She may be "well intentioned" but she put the responsibility on the students to "fix themselves" instead of reporting her racist collegues.

[@Alkenzson]

“Here is the attention you ordered” Favorite line of the video haha

[@PhilipDeFranco]

Who's gonna leave me a voicemail? What story are you gonna comment on? Excited to hear your thoughts! James Charles (00:13), Harry Styles Face Tattoo (4:01), TIA (4:50) Duke Email Controversy (6:41), Government Shutdown (11:09)

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

Im 26 and had no idea who James Charles is. Its really just the circles you travel in plus due to the internet there are tons of celebs that pop up like every day.

[@Listugujboy1]

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[@henrysmith893]

Hay phill good luck on that thing on #Friday loved that live stream. How many people watch the live stream.

[@Nomad0036]

THREE nothing stories. BUILT THE WALL!!!

[@kitcat2559]

RIP Ting Voicemail servers/ boxes

[@0Eryal0]

That was so wonderful to hear, that a 19 year old you tube star (NINETEEN) was so kind to just call up and *talk* to the radio DJ, not berate not insult, just talk! Lord knows I did not have had that maturity at 19. That little tidbit to the story really made my day.

[@VincentVonDudler]

4:46 - "Here is the attention you ordered, ma'am." heh

[@Anna133199]

That was a glorious moment!

[@Maaaaaam]

Thanks

[@vanessaajohn]

In other news, if your profile picture is Rand al’Thor you are great

[@PastMourning]

lol.. Thankfully tattoo removal is a thing.. Thankfully it is also quite a painful process and may leave a scar or mark to forever remind you about that dumb decision you made.

[@Spongebobs4Life]

On the James Charles story, I have a friend that took her two teenage children to meet him, and while the traffic thankfully did not affect them (they live within a walking distance) she claimed the crowds within the shopping centre were handled very well with security having a laugh with crowds and handing around drinks and snacks, especially to children. It was nice to hear a good story from someone about security and the police.

[@pickledirick8338]

Em B Assuming you live in the UK, you know that the public perception of the police and how they go around doing their job differs immensely from the US. Not surprising that there was very little chaos.

[@tylahurban6082]

Wow I so expected this to turn negative and I’m so happy where this story went.

[@Duncan23]

I'm sure all the other business owners whos shops were blocked by fans thought it was great losing out on a days trade. This was irresponsible and dangerous.

[@faizahmohammedaruwa]

@@Duncan23 there's always a negative Nancy...

[@Duncan23]

@@faizahmohammedaruwa No I just understand that the world doesn't revolve around KZbinrs. Hard working people that pay rent for those shops have lost thousands of pounds BECAUSE this event was badly organised, one wrong word and a crush could have happened. It was extremely irresponsible, to do an event like that in that area. It should have been an open outdoor area.

[@MariaTHerrera]

As a non-native English speaker, I can tell you that it is really awkward to speak English with someone you know speaks the same language as you do. It is not about fluency or proficiency, it is about comfort. You'll always prefer one language over the other regardless of how well you know either of them. It is just how it is. Besides, no one should feel uncomfortable because they aren't able to understand what the stranger next to them is saying to *someone else*

[@nicoletta2k]

Maria T. Herrera I totally agree! As someone who grew up bilingual, growing up in a household that spoke both Swedish and English, speaking in another language with someone when you prefer speaking to them in the other feels awkward as hell. My best friend from Sweden came to visit here in Australia last year and speaking to her in English in public settings with family/friends felt awful and weird. I'd switch back to Swedish the moment I could. Besides, if it's a private conversation, why do people need to listen in?

[@el6700]

If your talking loudly in a language others in the room can’t understand as they try to study, ye, that’s a problem

[@el6700]

Also, have some decency. Don’t be so selfish

[@iBeFloe]

E L “they can’t understand” You just threw out your entire argument & showed you just want been to speak English...for what? Yeah don’t be loud, but why do they have to speak English if they’re not in class?

[@nicoletta2k]

@@el6700 Yeah, obviously speaking loudly can be distracting. But it's no one else's business what language they're speaking in. They could've just been reprimanded for their volume. It's one thing if they're in a situation where they need to communicate with others, then yes, they should speak in English, but they were speaking to EACH OTHER. There's no need for others to listen in.

[@Mntdewmania1]

I think the Professor was just trying to warn her students. If anyone needs to be investigated it should be the two that made such a ridiculous suggestion in the first place

[@anywherebuthere91]

It's frustrating that she got removed only when she was clearly shedding light on a department-wide problem. You're right, the others need to be investigated but now they probably won't because the university is just going to claim they've fixed the problem.

[@averyfigueiredo5158]

Personal opinion but I do think she is at fault for placing the blame on the students and not the instructors that came to her. It was completely within her power to bring those instructors to a higher power within the university yet she instead sided with them by telling the students to speak English over their respective tongue.

[@mamawray]

If she knew who the students in question were, she should have spoken to them privately. Email is always a mistake in such cases.

[@indigocrayon520]

I don't think it's a ridiculous request. When my husband and I took ASL we were not allowed to speak during class, even on break. Our entire class was hearing.

[@franks8462]

@@indigocrayon520 which is perfectly fine in your case. Not being able to speak in an ASL class makes sense. It forces you to actually try to learn the language. In this case, the professors have no authority on what students do, or do not do after class. These students were not speaking during class, but were just having a personal conversation in the building (again, not the classroom). It's a ridiculous request when it deals with mandating what students do in their private time. I'm actually not even that upset at the Director of Graduate Studies, she was trying to deal with the situation (albeit, very poorly). The problem I have is with the professors who were basically profiling the two students in order to reject their future internship applications based on what they decide to do on their spare time. It is a ridiculous request.

[@Valincio]

Report on the Joseph Walker funeral in Texas. He was a Vietnam Veteran who passed on. No family was found or came forward. He was going to be buried with no one in attendance. Over a thousand people showed up in support of the belief that no comrade in arms should be forgotten.

[@gregornike8929]

Yeah i dont think he will i think its mainly popular storys that will get the most views i tried to get a story out to the people that could get the story out in november about a kid being returned to his abusive methhead mother by the courts who is proubably fucked now and is being abused as we speak

[@xcyted4now]

@@gregornike8929 I think I remember that comment because I went to look it up afterward. It was a fucked up situation.

[@sassymouth2056]

No Phil don’t cover this story. The guy got the respect he deserves so let’s move on. Not interested.

[@gregornike8929]

@@xcyted4now definitly it was i really wanted him to do the story so it could get out to more peiple and perhaps the kid could get saved

[@hkiyr]

I know it seems disrespectful but it's a genuine question, why do Vietnam veterans get so much respect? A lot of them did horrible things. Although I might be biased since I'm not american

[@jamesburgess2k]

I understand speaking English in the classroom and public speaking in general, but no one has the right to make you speak a language in private or non professional environment. If one of my professors got on me for speaking in my natural country dialect while I was talking to a friend in private, *go behind my back* to the administration without even personally talking to me about it at all, I would definitely feel a certain way.

[@rebecca4680]

James Burgess . Agreed. I feel like the prof who sent the email had good intentions, but just worded it poorly. The teachers who went to her to complain and get the names of students, however, that is going towards xenophobia. Like you said, there’s nothing wrong with the kids speaking whatever language in private setting

[@AislingRosa]

James Burgess what is “a certain way”? There are vast and varied certain ways?

[@xenophagia]

She was specifically talking about speaking Chinese in *professional* environments.

[@oj321]

@@Genshiken2006 yes but speaking Chinese doesn't insinuate the inherent inferiority of an ethnic group. Big difference

[@auston911]

Cx face tat

[@ishouston5001]

My biggest problem with the whole telling students not to speak Chinese thing is that one of the reasons telling them not to speak Chinese is that the students around them wouldn't be able to understand. Excuse me? Why on earth would they have to understand a private conversation between two friends? I understand they were talking loudly and obnoxiously, which is wrong on their end, but that doesn't mean that that gives people the right to get angry for not understanding them. I mean, it all sounds kind of like the teachers are angry they can't eavesdrop on the Chinese exchange students. God, this entire story annoys me so much, especially since my mother has so much trouble with English.

[@Hollow-ty3qm]

I agree and I understand that in a professional setting or classroom that they need to speek english. But in the studen lounge? Um who cares. Just tell them to not talk so loudly

[@Hollow-ty3qm]

@@JUSTDREAMFREE yeah but the email talked about speaking english and not just the loudness.

[@tajwar9547]

It's not racist at all. I go to a school in the UK with many foreign students, most from Hong Kong, and they are encouraged to not speak their native languages because doing so slows the improvement of their English. This teacher clearly, by the tone of the email, didn't personally want them to stop speaking their language, but understood the threats made by the faculty and wanted to warn their students. This wave of outrage culture isn't just blaming someone for nothing, it's blaming someone for something someone else has done.

[@tajwar9547]

@@achocolatelily0804 I don't think it is at all. In the UK, Chinese parents send their children to private schools to learn English and gain passport qualifications. We have a huge Chinese population at my school and it's clear that those who commit to English can receive a better education as they can engage more. It's common sense and people escalate it without even looking at the facts.

[@mrpickle-pe2in]

other topics featured (4:00) face tattoo, (6:40) duke's controversy, (11:07) government shutdown,

[@elijahtr2210]

My hero

[@puurplegiraffe]

Oh yeah yeah thank you

[@theifofmemes5529]

thx bro

[@ec-3po]

mrpickle 1900 you da real mvp👑👑👑👑👑

[@mikeediaz7096]

Too late, already watched the video :(

[@zxt327]

James Charles brought Birmingham to a standstill, it's scary to think what would happen if someone like pewdiepie did a similar event.

[@lamellarm6546]

You realize subscriber count isn't a relevant factor here... right?

[@thibaudvanderschrick922]

Probably not as bad, I feel like the fan base is so different, James Charles has many teenage girl fans who as far as I can tell are usually the most extreme fans of basically anything.

[@JD-re6cq]

That’s how mafia work.

[@NotHardik]

People would fly in from all around the world. it would actually be INSANE.

[@SmartArtzzz]

I don't think Felix would ever do something like that. Perhaps it's cause his temperament is different and he has more experience having a large following, or maybe it's cause he's more mature than James, idk. Morphe definitely should have thought this through when picking a beauty influencer.

[@noahbehl]

She should give her face tattoo of Harry Styles a face tattoo

[@daviddarcy3644]

Of HER

[@TuberoseKisser]

Knowing youtubers isn't a generation thing, its a "I watch certain videos" thing.

[@Lycaon1765]

Yee, see: the moronic rage against KZbin rewind 2018. :v

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

Very much this, I had no idea who James Charles was until this video.

[@lotrnerd5037]

It’s also a what the hell is KZbin recommending to me. Roughly every month my recommended gets flooded with makeup tutorials.

[@massman1216]

Lotrnerd 503 then stop watching makeup videos

[@lainiwakura1776]

It's both, I take it. I don't know who the current popular pop stars of the moment are and I don't watch makeup tutorials and only know about James Charles because of drama channels and his relation to Jeffree Star.

[@machouchacha]

I studied abroad and didn't speak the local language very well when I arrived. From my personal experience, it is a very easy temptation to seek out other people from your own country and just speak your native language with them. However, that's not helping you learn the local language any faster. I remember intentionally isolating myself from the group to rather mingle with students from the country I was in. It was hard, but it was the best decision I could have made. After a few years, I was speaking the local language fluently, which resulted in me having better grades overall, better skills for my Master's thesis and, ultimately, better prospects on the local job market. What I think the DUKE teacher was trying to do, was to look out for her students. She might have known of the "dangers" to isolate yourself in a native language group and wanted to warn them about the unintended consequences they might have not been aware of. Did she do it in a very clumsy way? Yes. Was she racist or were her intentions harmful? Absolutely not. If anything, she deserves praise for trying to help her students.

[@QwerpOS]

Exactly, though there is nothing racist about asking someone to speak the native language of the community they are in rather than the one they came from, because language has nothing to do with race.

[@yaboyjay7202]

It's a special situation with Chinese students though. I taught some of them German at my university, so I've come to know a few. The vast majority of them don't want to mingle with anyone but themselves. You might find the odd one out in a hundred of them who hasn't been all comsumed by the system they've been brought up with. They're learning the language, because that's what's expected of them, but other than that, they're not interested in the people or anything that's different. Was really sad to see and I really tried to get them out of that shell, but no chance. I guess the frustration to see that might've influenced the Duke prof, too.

[@japzone]

@@yaboyjay7202 Might also be fear of their home government. If something they do overseas gets back home and perceived as "undesirable" by the Chinese government, they, or their families, could be effected. That anonymous comment by that Chinese student in defense of the professor is pretty telling. Sticking with fellow Chinese students is an easy way to avoid doing something "undesirable" and getting in trouble.

[@Danishruyu1]

TheJoern it’s interesting how this problem extends to many graduate programs. We have a large amount of Chinese students that aggregate into groups and isolate themselves from the rest of the students. They’ll even go as far as working in the Chinese professors’ labs, and we’ve had professors wanting to call them out on it, but they’re afraid to do so because of the backlash

[@yaboyjay7202]

@@japzone It 100% is caused by their government, but to me it felt like they were so indoctrinated that they didn't see the wrong in it, so it wasn't out of fear, but rather a commitment, thinking they know the only way to do it the right way. It was especially horrible to witness in Germany as a system like that was run in east Germany (DDR) in the Soviet Union. China is basically one big Stasi and every citizen is an IM. Crazy and sad.

[@Crazelord91]

James Charles unknowingly fills up a mall with 8k fans at age 19 and I'm sitting here watching this in my late 20s, too lazy to get up for more snacks. Hustle makes success, no matter the age

[@Monroemanordogs]

Crazelord91 or you can just sell your soul real quick which they probably did lol

[@Jamespella2343]

Its not hustle, its putting on makeup

[@Crazelord91]

@@Jamespella2343 That's pretty ignorant to believe that's literally all he did. He found a market, maybe one you don't understand, and built a business and fanbase off consistent and quaility content for his demo, that thousands try to replicate without his success. You may not get the appeal, and i don't either, but what you're saying is extremely myopic

[@Maxisamo1]

James, like many other KZbinrs, got lucky. He happens to be an attractive effeminate man who's good with makeup and started posting at the right time. He blew up, and it kept going. That's what I don't like about KZbin, there's some really talented people here and they don't even get half the views people like him or the Paul Brothers get.

[@Crazelord91]

@@Monroemanordogs I would but no one's buying

[@500milesfortwo]

In regards to Duke, I live in a bilingual city with many international students and immigrants, but only speak English myself. This is a multicultural place where you will hear and see a multitude of languages that you do not understand everywhere- school, work, the bus. And if these people aren’t conversing with you, then it’s really none of your business. It really is that simple. And I admit as someone who moved here was I started university, it made me uncomfortable at first but it never crossed my mind to tell these people to use English instead. So I understand where the idea came from and the what the intention was regarding the email, but ultimately it’s stupid and comes off as xenophobic.

[@DO-gl4rh]

Montréal?

[@JustThatLauren]

To me, upon first hearing the email, it seemed like the professor wasn't condoning it but was trying to help/protect them from the other staff that *was* being discriminatory

[@summerwendt9189]

I get where you’re coming from but if she wanted to actually help/protect these students she would have reported the staff for their comments instead of treating the students like they should change their behavior so racists feel more comfortable.

[@nfzeta128]

@@summerwendt9189 The problem is reporting it usually does nothing, for both her and the students. Edit: At least nothing positive.

[@tiggzywiggzy]

Yea not all the racist people will be vocal but will still discriminate and unfortunately being reported doesn't change how someone thinks.

[@DismemberedHat]

Apparently this professor sends out this email every year so I dont think this is a case where she was protecting the students but in a way that is seen as offensive

[@giafrancesca474]

Summer Wendt it’s unfortunate that even as a director of graduate studies, her position as an assistant prof isn’t as secure since she likely doesn’t have tenure yet. It’s definitely a flaw of academia that people in her position don’t have the security to blow the whistle like that. Duke needs to address the profs that have an issue with Chinese speakers soon, especially since graduate recruitment season just started. There’s nothing like “an unknown number of unnamed faculty who want to police your language” to make talented students hesitant to join your graduate program!

[@jlyn446]

I really think the teacher was just trying to warn the students about what her peers had been saying. Like trying to warn them that they might be being discriminated against. I do not think she was saying it was wrong for them to speak Chinese I think it was more of a warning. The students seem to find her very supportive so it just makes more sense that she was trying to help them. She really should have reported her colleges instead but people are known to not always make the smartest decision. I think it’s sad she was forced to step down when she seems like she’s been helping so many students. Hope everything works out and the teachers actually discriminating get punished.

[@laurariv3575]

With the Duke University issue, I’m bilingual, and my parents have taught me to not speak one of the two languages when I’m in a group of people that can’t speak one of them, especially in a professional environment. I feel that issues like these are going to become more common and we don’t discuss them as much.

[@Grimebucket]

But from my understanding, they weren't in a group of people who didn't understand Chinese. They were talking to each other. If I am part of a conversation, then for sure, I hope they talk to me in a language I understand. If two people nearby me are having a conversation that I am not part of, then I don't think they should consider my ability to understand important at all.

[@billieking97]

I’m bilingual too, my parents taught me the same and I fully agree you shouldn’t just start talking a different language if you’re with a group of people who don’t understand it, but it’s as Grimebucket said, the Chinese students were talking to each other and not in a group with American students.

[@Lorkisen]

@@Grimebucket The other part of the email was them being obnoxiously loud near the professors area, using a zone close the the Prof's rather than the one properly designated for the students. I think it was the final paragraph of the email.

[@amarahc4351]

Billie King it was in class... try again

[@amarahc4351]

Magus Mxviil it was in class, the professors where in the next area while students where working, it was a structured class they choose to disrespect fellow students in by communicating in a language only they knew, it was brought to the schools attention because some students in there own group complained about the group, as they couldn’t participate

[@crystaljfashion24]

I can tell that the woman had good intentions but worded her email wrong which is sad because my very first language was Spanish but when I started school the teachers would all yell at me to only speak English because we live in America and even though I was learning English I still struggled with it so I eventually just stopped talking at school because I rather not be yelled at and embarrassed in front of everyone. Sadly because of that I have forgotten some Spanish and I sometimes struggle with it, so I can't even have a full conversation with my grandma and sometimes even my dad who only speak Spanish. I just wished that my teachers back then would have been more understanding, patient and supportive of my situation.

[@setofreakinkaiba8553]

At school I was able to speak both english and Spanish. One doesn't have to speak full english in a setting. Other languages are helpful for other people. It's uncalled for to make english superior and bullshit when there is many languages around the world.

[@scotthadden9816]

No, she worded her e-mail perfectly reasonably. She did not demand that they stop, she did not imply that action would be taken against them if they didn't stop. She was rather supportive of them, and actually looking out for them, as universities, regardless of where in the world you are expect the students to hold themselves to the highest degree, pointing out that the faculty, not specific members, but the team as a whole, might see such actions as not living up to that standard. It seems obvious that they came to America to learn English, almost certainly because knowing even basic English is a requirement for almost any well-paying job in the modern world, whether English is your native language or not. It was the people who complained about her asking, not ordering, them to practice English in their spare time around other English-speakers, that blew the entire situation out of proportion.

[@Lauren-zx3gx]

@@setofreakinkaiba8553 Except English is the primary language in the States...so it's not uncalled for at all. Fortunately for non-English speakers, schools and universities tend to hire multicultural professors. Regardless, what does there being many languages around the world have to do with anything? Of course, other languages exist that's not at all what's being disputed. Now, to counter what you said if a native English speaker goes to any other foreign country where English is neither a primary or secondary language then what do you expect would happen? You would have to learn and adapt and those other countries would be hypocritical to state otherwise. As someone who is also bilingual and comes from a multicultural city in the States, it doesn't change the fact that the US, just like any other country, has their own primary language and it is obligatory to learn and practice. It has nothing to do with superiority. If her intention was to inform the foreign students about using English in professional settings, she said nothing wrong but could've expressed herself better. If anything, the faculty members are the ones who should be investigated because it seems like they were the ones trying to cause problems and she was trying to prevent the students from getting in trouble.

[@theandroids]

I've found people feel uneasy at times as they find that if others speak in another language when they know how to speak English, it's for nefarious purposes and or rude.

[@MrandMrsLivingLife]

crystaljfashion24 there are no good intentions with asking people to speak English only. I speak 12 languages and English is my 13th language, believe me I speak “the queen’s English” ( not sure if you understand the figurative expression), every now and then when I meet people who are native to one of my languages I like to speak the languages I did that in college all day.

[@jennifergridley8111]

I don't think the professor's emails were meant to be racist at all, however, I feel as though she should have went to her superiors with the information, reported the 2 faculty members and not done it by e-mailing the students.

[@RiskyNights]

Yes. This was not the fault of the students and the email should never had been sent to them.

[@bethyngalw]

I don't think anybody was being racist. I can see both sides of it. I am a dysgwr (a Welsh second language speaker) and there is a problem in Wales of native Welsh speakers talking insultingly about other people right in front of them in Welsh because they believe they can get away with it without being understood. It can be quite upsetting. In addition, if you're in a small group setting and socializing together I can definitely see how it could be rude to speak a language that the others in the group don't speak, unless they'd said they were fine with it, because you're immediately excluding them from the conversation. But just standing around in a public space and speaking a foreign language, I honestly don't see the problem with that. It seems inexplicable to me that anybody on the university staff would object. Not least of all because studying in a foreign language can be exhausting, and it's just nice to take a break and revert to your own language when you're around friends. It would only matter if they were saying unkind things about other people passing by.

[@MrJimmyyale1]

Jennifer Gridley a

[@charliechapman7156]

Right, even if it's a legitimate concern to encourage students to learn and become comfortable with english, the 2 professors trying to blacklist them over something so innocuous is absurd.

[@248alicia]

just curious, what is wrong with speaking your native language?

[@mousemiot]

Dr Kneely wasn’t wrong or “racist” for sending out the email warning her students. What WAS wrong was that she didn’t report the faculty members who were being racist and made the remarks. If she did, and included in the email that she would be reporting the faculty, then the email she sent out to her students wouldn’t be a problem.

[@AzazelHash281]

here for the tea you know what, usually I’m all for what you’re saying, I’m a multiracial man and understand what racism is like because I’ve seen it and had to deal with it But what would you truly do in that situation? You say you would, we all say we would but what would you really do if it was YOU in that situation under those circumstances with those same relationships to each of those ppl that she has

[@theonlyonewithgum1452]

Rodney Hill Interesting point.

[@nfzeta128]

Honestly this was just a backlash from the teacher not hard picking on side or the other in her language. She tried to be diplomatic about a hard truth and people uninvolved just took it wrong. Its true that people feel a way when something that stands out like that and they can't understand and it affects how certain people see them. That's all the warning was for.

[@FarabiIbnMosharraf]

I think the biggest issue about the whole thing was the fact about job offers. If speaking in your native tongue makes you lose the chance to get an internship or be part of a research project, there's something wrong. If the email just didn't have the whole 'note down the students who did the thing', I'd be in complete support of her thinking her well intentioned if a little meddling

[@TheDeeman25]

There’s likely people above her in power that she’s scared of. Hell if she really didn’t give a fuck about those kids she could have just said nothing and let them lose their job opportunities. Not only that but that fact that multiple Asian students are advocating for her just further proves she really cares about them.

[@alexbyrne7190]

The professor was doing what she thought was best to make sure that the students didn't get wrongfully punished by other faculty members for speaking their native language. I believe that she should have reported the unnamed faculty members as well, but sending out a warning to students telling them that other faculty members don't like it when they speak Chinese is not racist on her end. She was trying to help. I hope that the unnamed faculty members get investigated, and that the professor who sent the email isn't wrongfully punished (any further than she already has been).

[@Phoenixflame87]

Maybe she did report the other faculty members. It would be an internal matter and not publicly disclosed.

[@tehking111]

Personally I think it's disgusting. I speak to my wife often switching between English and French when were in public, even though French isn't our native language. It's not that we're trying to improve our French, it just how we've communicated for over 20~ years now. If we was to say something private we would talk in French. If someone was to come up to me and ask me to stop speaking French for any reason then I'd be deeply offended. Why would it matter what language I'm speaking in if the person I'm talking to can understand me? I feel if the situation was in France with a person speaking English, then it would be much more relatable for most people. If the argument was they was in a lesson teaching English and they decided to speak Chinese , understandable, and a case can also be made for them speaking loudly. This is just ridiculous.

[@nightdiv]

Exactly this is my thoughts. I feel bad for the professor it was not her fault, she was trying to look for the students. And what if the person who came to inquire about those students was above her?

[@carstekoch]

Why would they be punished though? It didn't seem like they were in any professional setting. The E-Mail stated they should be talking in English and consider all other poeple "on the same floor". Why? What does it matter to people who aren't part of your conversation? If they aren't doing it during a class or whilst they are talking with a group of other English students or a teacher there is no reason for them to do this other than to hone their linguistic skills, but this is more a personal thing that is different from student to student and not something that should be discussed in an E-Mail addressed to all foreign students.

[@alexbyrne7190]

@@tehking111 I agree, which is why the professor (Neely) should not be fired or punished in some other way in my eyes. All we have so far are the emails (that I know of, haven't watched the Tuesday show or looked at the story further to see if more information has come out) and based on the emails the professor did not hold the opinion that these students should only be speaking English- other faculty members did, and she was just trying to warn students so that they wouldn't be indirectly punished by those teachers. It is incredibly stupid that the students would be punished for speaking in their native tongue, and if what the emails said are true then those faculty members should be fired. But I don't think the professor who sent the emails should be, even though she could have taken better action instead of just emailing the students (as far as I know).

[@adrianaridolfi3043]

I am Italian, but I’ve studied abroad, I did a semester in Paris, one in Montreal, and one in Amsterdam. The teaching language in Paris and Montreal was French and in Amsterdam English. While I speak fluently both of this languages, I’ve definitely spoken in Italian with my compatriots during those times. The fact that I could be badly judge for that is simply ludicrous. Why should I have spoken in a foreign language with someone who thinks in the same language as I do? I wasn’t writing my essays in Italian, I wasn’t doing my presentations in Italian. I was talking to my friends. Yes, even on campus. I find the fact that some teachers would reprimand students for doing so deeply disturbing and definitely racist. I also think it wouldn’t have happen if the students had been let’s say Dutch or Swedish.

[@dasit1965]

Adriana Ridolfi the problem is it seems the teacher was just trying to help and it just sounds really bad.

[@adrianaridolfi3043]

Das It I think the real problem were the professors who complained about the students talking in Chinese. If I were the one who was made aware of this I wouldn’t have send that email but I would have confronted the professor or told the dean about it. I think she really meant well but handle it completely wrong.

[@adrianaridolfi3043]

Idun Rudemo I really like Swedish even if I cannot tell it apart from Danish to save my life. I think they don’t have a problem with it for two very big reasons first one being that Swedish people often speak a nearly perfect English and the second one being that you’re mostly very white.

[@idunrudemo]

Adriana Ridolfi ok so my dad speaks danish and I’ve found myself lost at Tivoli, a Danish amazement park, so trust me on this: Swedish and danish are not at all alike. And yes, ”ethnic swedes” or however you say it are mostly very much white.

[@adrianaridolfi3043]

@@idunrudemo oh I meant that they sound similar to me! the only thing I ever learned in both languages is thank you (because I try to at least know how to say that in every place I go) and it was tak in both languages if I'm not mistaken?

[@billieking97]

Regarding the Duke's Controversy, while I understand the concern, I feel like these people don't realize what it's like going to a country that doesn't speak their mother tongue. Just from my personal experience, I grew up in the US and after moving to South America knowing close to nothing about how to speak Spanish, the very few times I *could* speak English were a relief. It's been over 10 years since I moved here and I still feel happy whenever I get to speak English. I get that they're international students living in an English speaking country and for sure they have to speak on a daily basis in English, but being able to speak their country's language with others must still be a satisfying feeling.

[@jessica3548]

Sure, but I go out of my way to let French speakers know they don't have to try to stumble through English for me; I can understand them, I can speak some of their language, so we'll go with French as much as possible -- I'm in their land, not the other way around.

[@billieking97]

@@jessica3548 it's less about speaking (in your case) English with French people and more about speaking English with other native English speakers. I speak Spanish with everyone in my new country because that's where I'm living but on the rare occasion I get to meet another English speaker we speak English. Same with these Chinese students at Duke's, they only spoke Chinese to other Chinese students but most likely spoke English every other interaction.

[@CraigLP2]

White people feel uncomfortable with anything non white

[@biohazardlnfS]

No not really, most international students have their own language specific classes etc.

[@AsianDaveIam]

@@jessica3548 they're talking with fellow international students. Just because they are "in our land" doesn't mean they should be punished for choosing to speak any other languages. If I was to study abroad to France, I'd love to be able to speak French to those that speak it, but around other Americans or native English speakers, I'm not going to stumble through a language neither party is fully comfortable with

[@wigglyziggly]

Idk, the general tone of the professor's email seemed pretty polite. Like yeah, it's always good to practice a language at every opportunity. On the other hand, speak whatever language you want on your own time. Like who in their right mind is "disturbed" by a group of Chinese kids speaking Chinese? That's surprisingly weird and xenophobic.

[@VelCroweBar]

She did seem to have pure intentions, and I agree with your point on how the people who are "disturbed" by other people speaking their native language.

[@diegolozano8978]

I honestly agree with you, but I think she could have word it a bit better and it wouldn’t have blown as much as it did, and let me state her intentions were very pure.

[@LudusYT]

Leonardo Zighelboim - On your last note. I’d like to throw in my experience because it definitely differs greatly. I come from a more conservative area (not implying my views are conservative). I have definitely noticed that people can get uncomfortable when people of any race are speaking in a different language. Personally I do get uncomfortable, but not because I don’t want them speaking that language. It’s mainly because I can’t understand what they are saying, and it just makes me kind of mad at myself for not being able to understand. It’s kind of like hearing a bunch of Physics PhDs talk. This is a feeling that I have been able to sideline overtime because I have become more experienced with it. However, I can’t say the same for everyone. As I said before, for me personally it’s because I get upset at myself that I can’t understand it (which isn’t rational I know), for others it’s because they aren’t experienced with others doing that. I definitely think the professor had the right intentions by letting the students know that there are people out there who may think different of them if they hear them speak a different language. I personally have never thought differently of someone for that, but I know from my experience that other people will.

[@iHitchiti]

Other languages sound like noise if you don't understand what they are saying so I GUESS in a way you can argue its louder than your own language. Regardless, she tried to ruin their careers. That's fucked.

[@Polomance862]

I think more on the teacher's behalf that she was being polite. Coming from my time in school; all too common people would speak different languages to talk all sorts of trash on people. Which is a growing problem I've noticed particularly in public school settings. And its also exclusive in professional settings if such language barriers are established. As the context can be innocent but bars people too. Honestly; it can be rude especially to those who can't speak the language like a teacher who cannot tell if they're working together or dicking around.

[@SciencewithKatie]

“Virtually unknown” - bet he has more viewers than the daily mail has readers!

[@badbanana0]

I would've never found out who he was if it wasn't for the daily mail.

[@justbikesnstuff]

Ya I'd put money that he has more reach then him even my dad knows who he is

[@NonDripHelmet]

He looks like a female.

[@jt763]

Mario your life isn’t representing of the whole. Both get tens of millions of people, but the daily mail averages ~23.5 million a month, James Charles averages more

[@JohnThrasher204]

Whats the daily mail?

[@Halz0holic]

If someone is having a very loud conversation at a public place, ask them to dial down their volume. What language they communicate with is no one's business as long as its a private conversation. You can speak in Morse code for all I care. I would object if two Chinese people are speaking Chinese in a meeting where there are non-Chinese speakers present. What is interesting about these Duke professors' interest is not the volume but the language of the conversation, basically being bothered by what other people are talking about, instead of disturbance or noise.

[@Chellojello]

I've been seriously wanting to hear "phil.ting.com" for a while. It just has a wonderful sound.

[@RobinFlysHigh]

I was just thinking yesterday, "Damn, he hasn't done a sponsorship with them in a while." Lol lol

[@MYG]

As someone learning a foreign language, it is very important to practice it in class. In classes, we are not allowed to talk in English because then we won't improve. In a country where you will be using English and learning in English in classes, you should try to speak English. In the common rooms or anyplace outside of class the university should mind their own business. It's nice to practice but using your native language is much more relaxing.

[@edithnackers7127]

Couldn't agree more. It is so taxing to constantly be speaking/listening to a foreign language. It's nice to be able to recharge by speaking your native language. Keep working at it though, I am now fluent in both English and French and it is such an asset.

[@tighegilmore9202]

I think, regarding the professor's intentions, you agree with her. Yeah, she went about it wrong but she was clearly just trying to make sure people in her class didn't feel uncomfortable and students who do speak another language do not get themselves into trouble inadvertently.

[@GAMEOVER-yy6zj]

Native languages are unknown code languages to English speakers when they can't decode it, they complain about it and that gets me every time.

[@chloemakesvideos3889]

I would have agreed if it is in a classroom situation because it's about respect and learning, but it's outside class and it would be very weird and impolite to use a second language when people talking to you share the same first language. It's like if you and your friend are working in another country and there're local people using the lift as you two do, would you talk to your friend using the language that local know or use your native language? But again Neely is just there to look out for her students, and it's the faculty's fault to threaten students' job prospects just because they speak another language that they can't understand.

[@emoryotott2055]

This was in their own personal time. There is no good reason as to why they can't respectfully use their own language when they are speaking with peers in a public place

[@SageThyme23]

The professor who sent the email I think was just stuck between a rock and a hard place. She wanted to help her students but also did not feel she was in a position to argue with the other members of staff who made the racist comments. Those people who made the comments need to be investigated and fired but she does not. Yes what the email said wasn't ideal however her choices were risk getting fired or isolated among the staff or let these students ruin their future career chances unknowingly

[@roddinotz7338]

Ben Thyme well said sir, well said.

[@theonlyonewithgum1452]

Totally agree with what you said. She was put in a really unfortunate spot and now the students will suffer because of that (because she is no longer an advisor and actually risked her job to give advice to students).

[@TheDJChurch]

@@theonlyonewithgum1452 It wasn't advice, she was being racist. She was calling people out for having a private conversation that "others couldn't understand" and having faculty threaten their position in the school, even using an old racial stereotype of "loud foreigners" twice. There were no good intentions at all, in my eyes, it was just racism leaking through the cracks.

[@giovanniruggirello9452]

^^ This is what I got from it. It's a shame that a professor who cared about her students and wanted them to succeed gets thrown under the bus for being proactive.

[@v-mariewilliams7058]

@@TheDJChurch she only did it because faculty members were asking for names with the intention of negatively affecting future of said students

[@Jacob_JRW]

Ain’t really James’s fault, obviously the shopping centre didn’t inform the local services... what’s he supposed to do?

[@TheIskybussiness]

who?

[@Jacob_JRW]

Correct. Prior to what your username suggests, you are not correct. Morphe did inform the shopping centre hence the reason why the shopping centre had organised security. But even if he didn’t it isn’t his job to anyway, it’s the morphe stores job. James would’ve just been told to open the store, the organisation wouldn’t have had anything to do with him.

[@Jacob_JRW]

KeMiKiLL sister James?

[@TheHestya]

@Correct. How is that his job to inform the council in a different country of his arrival? He arrived to do a shop opening. The shop should have taken care of things and they didn't.

[@toomuchpassion2361]

I think that Dr. Kneele was trying to help those students. She should have reported the faculty, that's fair. However she told the students a problem that exists that they probably weren't aware of. Internalized bias is a big thing in professional settings. Whether those members of the faculty were reported or not, they would still judge the students for not speaking english. Since the students know the issue, then they can be aware of the problem. I don't think that her emails should have ever been shared with the public. She was trying to help the student's and now she's no longer in that position. When similar situations arise in the future for those students, and they will, then she won't be there to communicate the issues with them. And I'm willing to bet that the person who takes her job won't do so either. At least now, the student's are aware of the problem and they can address it in the future.

[@mclancy3919]

I came to the comments to basically type this. You saved me a good amount of time. I do feel as the faculty behind the emails though are in the wrong and while I think racist is probably jumping the gun, the bias of the staff was shown and there could be ways to improve there.

[@abyss_is_calling]

100% agree

[@hilowkitty]

I most want to those 2 faculty member threatening students’ future prospects outted, I bet they’re hoping they’re not publicly named because it seems as though their intentions are against department policy . Xenophobia is not cute. I feel that Neely was thrown under a bus by her department by not having clear guidelines on whether students are allowed to speak their native languages and how to deal with professors threatening their research opportunities for having personal conversations.

[@jccat1974]

I agree with you. I am not upset with her. I am upset with the other staff. I agree that I think she was trying to help. I DO NOT feel she was trying to harm at all. I just don't like some peoples hatred for people speaking in a foreign language. I can understand the frustration when its done to exclude. But in my experience with many people who speak foreign languages. This is rare.

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

The VAST majority of American students in Denmark, take all their courses in English, and never become even conversational in Danish over the entire course of their stay here. "Something to think about".

[@skurt5525]

Philip Zeplin So what you are saying is that Denmark is racist?

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

@@skurt5525 No, I'm saying we're Venezuela.

[@levyroth]

Denmark is a garbage country with garbage people that discriminates against immigrants. You force people to speak Danish if they want to hold a job in your academia even though teaching is done 100% in English.

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

@@levyroth Mate, are you seriously angry, that if you want to hold a teaching position at a public institution, you generally need to speak the language that the country speaks? So what, I should go teach Design in Danish in a public school in the US? Come on, man...

[@giulioallegri1366]

@@PhilipZeplinDK yes he is unfortunatly. By the way i identify as venezuela so i am triggered.

[@johns9940]

I don’t think Neely is the one to blame here. She’s trying to do her job by helping the students. She’s looking out for the students rather than throwing them under the bus. The whole university should be to blame by sort of banning other languages

[@LaceyAnn]

Most tattoo artists would never do that to someone’s face.... Love James!

[@jackiepalmieri2021]

Romeo Lacoste will do anything for exposure

[@ilovemusic1529]

Lacey Ann - Armchair Psychology Romeo Lacoste isn’t like most tattoo artist he tattoos in a way that will get him exposure instead of using tattoo etiquette

[@MsCanadianAngelxo]

LOL! You all are so gullible. It was a PR stunt for her new song "Harry". She dropped the music video a few days ago. 😂😂😂 The song is a commentary about obsessive fangirl culture which is supported by the fake tattoo...errr face tattoo of Harry Styles she posted on IG. Y'all getting finessed so hard.

[@LaceyAnn]

CdnAngelXO Sure, hilarious, only there's hundreds of examples of this happening. Great, it's fake, also you're annoying.

[@starfish0607]

All of y'all dragging her and the tattoo artist..it was fake. Publicity stunt(which worked fantastically) for a great song. Go have a listen

[@Meggyp0p]

As a certified ESL teacher, I feel like the professor was just looking out for her students. ESL teachers in public schools and even of adults are only allowed to speak English to their students and instruct only in English. So in my opinion, sending out those emails was just a warning to let her students know that what they were doing outside of class was affecting their peers’ and professors’ perception of them. BUT! At the same time, she should have sent a similar email to the professors warning them that discrimination based on language was illegal and against both department policy and Duke University policy. That would have eliminated the threat of language discrimination all together.

[@spinningincirclezzz]

I've worked in ESL classrooms and my school is about 30% non native speaking. IDGAF what rules you put in have in your classroom--most language classes, from French to Mandarin to Italian, you're also not allowed to speak English for the purpose of immersion. But you CANNOT police what language your kids use *outside of the classroom in their own downtime.* And you absolutely cannot threaten people with unemployment.

[@perpetuallylost1814]

Who knows if she actually emailed her peers as well. It's only the students' email that was leaked so we don't know

[@Macca-95]

According to which law or finding is discrimination on the basis of language a crime? I'm pretty sure you are entirely incorrect on that part.

[@CorpKitten]

@@Macca-95 my thoughts exactly. Anyone can learn a language. I think the original comment was trying to suggest racism against the Asian students, but we also have no way of knowing their races - just their language, which isn't a protected class.

[@Macca-95]

@@CorpKitten I just cannot believe that an ESL teacher would say something so certifiably inane. If somebody walks into McDonalds and speaks only hebrew I don't think that they'd be given a job and I don't think that's illegal discrimination.

[@bobross1fan165]

It sounds like that teacher just had good intentions in sending out that email.

[@sippysop1571]

It kinda just seem worded badly.

[@mcfry13]

Yea. Its like, if you are going to live somewhere for a while, its best to learn the language of the land since you will have a way easier time both in and out of the classroom. Quite a catch 22

[@ajwyss-huskinson9118]

My teachers in high school and in college have asked some students to speak English

[@phoebesulistio6830]

@@mcfry13 That is nowhere near a catch 22. It is not a dilemma if those students would work hard on their language and still prefer to speak their native tongue with their friends. It's just more comfortable, and helps a lot when homesick to just use a language you are familiar with when speaking to people you are familiar with.

[@Shadx27]

What is being left out is where, when, and how the incidents took place. Without that, it does seem poorly worded and can be taken a few different ways. It's a mole hill, and mole's are not good in garden, but some are trying to make it a mountain for simple virtue standing purposes.

[@iKayorei]

Where are the time stamps? LOL

[@Windmelodie]

Wait, James Charles is 19? Holy shit he looks like he's 28 wtf

[@klericajohnny3990]

Windmelodie is he gay or why the tone of makeup ?

[@isabeld.mendoza9607]

Klerica Johnny- He is gay but I don’t think you need to be gay to enjoy the art of makeup. That’s just my opinion :)

[@klericajohnny3990]

Isabel D. Mendoza oh yes i have too, bc only woman and humans like him are allowed to wear makeup! The double standard in our society....and I don’t like makeup on humans! You are showing me something that’s not real, fake!

[@aributera4905]

@@klericajohnny3990 Make-up is art. It's supposed to be fun and you can create many looks with it.

[@aributera4905]

He graduted high school early abd moved to his own apartment at 17.

[@TofuRabbit]

The teacher might have had good intention, but it baffles me when people are 'disturbed' when someone speaks in a different language from theirs. Also, why did she want their names? What 'consequences' is she even talking about? Multilingualism is a fantastic skill to have, it is absolutely ridiculous to think someone should be penalized because they know more languages than just English, what the hell. If you get offended because someone ELSE is talking TO THEIR FRIEND in their native language you need some serious help.

[@TunTheOfficial]

I thought the same thing.. I wish i could speak more languages other than English

[@jako0981]

The world is a changing place. For example, if you were speaking english in a chinese school, you would be looked at heavily in an unfair light. Particularly in their "social credit" system, you know, just the thing that they evaluate you on all your online presence. Why would a professor sign on an intern.. If they have no idea if they can speak correct english? If they're living in America and talking in chinese casually, this represents a real threat to a language barrier a professor cannot have in a professional setting. Some people just really need to think about the consequences of their actions and not be so triggered when they find out people do not accept all kinds.

[@Howtard]

I'm just confused now, I was under the impression that it was the "unnamed faculty" who wanted names in order to blacklist the students for future internships. As far as I could tell she was just trying to warn foreign students that there are racists among the faculty, and to use caution in public spaces when using native languages. Maybe it's my own comprehension failing but that was my impression of it, and based on that I don't think she did anything wrong. Rash and reactionary perhaps, but it was out of fear for the students' wellbeing so it's eminently forgivable.

[@purpleshoespurp3462]

She didn’t want their names the other faculty asked her their names and she was advising them of this. She wasn’t disturbed the other faculty was and she was making them aware of this in her email. That’s why the students stuck up for her.

[@God-up2co]

Build the wall deport them all

[@alexgreen4112]

As a current college student in New York City I have met and attended classes with students from all over the world. The language they use to comunícate privately to each other does not mean that they are not trying really hard to improve their English because obviously classes are in English and this is the language they use to participate in class and do all the material. Also the fact that the women mentioned that two faculty members wanted to hurt their chances for internships and projects just cuz they didn’t like that they’re bilingual and where speaking another language screams of discrimination and the school needs to investigate.

[@stephanni98]

I was thinking of this. I don't want or at least do not think it was a discriminatory thing. If some people were engaging in a conversation in another language beside me, I would be curious but not disturbed.

[@sgt.yarpyarp144]

The duke professor went about it the wrong way but her intentions seemed pure. Intent is not ever considered when someone says something these days, people just take the words at face value and never look past to see if the person speaking intended to hurt or help people. No wonder free thinking open conversation is dying at universities

[@FrankiePacino]

Chinese kids don’t care, they pay for their grades. There’s a whole industry for them

[@melek_the_weird]

I would actually double down on what you said & include that not only do people take words at face valur, they twist their meaning & intent into whatever they want. Creating your own narrative strategy is something I hope dies soon.

[@fobluv4lyfe]

I agree that her intent seemed pure enough. But she should have known better. Words are all we have after all, so when sending an email to students who's native tongue isn't English, you must be CERTAIN there is no room for misinterpretation. It's a skill that most professors should have learned to do. It was a lapse of judgement that she is now having to deal with the consequences. Smh. Wish her the best

[@veritorossi]

Even if her intentions were "pure" the fact that she thought that warning those students about not using English is wrong. We all have the right to speak any language we want, where ever we want to. It's not like they are handing in a paper in Chinese. If someone had the nerve to tell not to speak in spanish I would tell them to fuck off. How would you feel if you were a foreign student and someone told you you can fail because you spoke in English? Please.

[@milosstojanovic3981]

@@veritorossi but i think she meant speaking English in proffesinal environment, i don't know what that really means to her, but out of class of course they should have the right to speak their native language :)

[@Freaksoftheinternet]

I understand to a degree the thought that the students at Duke wouldn't be making every effort they could to improve their English. As a linguist and trained Engligh as Second Language teacher, I know that practice and use is the best way to improve any additional language. However, people who would say that it's rude to others that can't understand Chinese are ridiculous. No one has the right to eavesdrop on a conversation. It's a public space, but a private conversation, and no one "deserves" to understand what is being said. People constantly use language that is unable to be interpreted by eavesdroppers (pronouns like "him" referring to a person that isn't there but both conversationalists know about, for example), but we don't feel the need to butt in and ask "hey I noticed you're talking about someone, who?"

[@tameemiqbal5567]

Wait what.. I didn’t know James was only 19. That’s impressive

[@PhatomWarrior]

Right!!! Accomplished so much at a young age.

[@paskit219]

PhatomWarrior don’t think “accomplished” is the word for it. He gained following for being a gay makeup artist. That’s about it. Nothing special there

[@zachgilbert3815]

@@PhatomWarrior What exactly of value has been accomplished?

[@DeeznutztheOG]

G B don’t downplay it dude he makes more bucks than most people in their middle age could ever

[@paskit219]

Cheeze berries I’m well aware of that. But I don’t think it’s deserved in any way. What does he do different than any other makeup channel out there? Nothing. Besides the fact that he’s a dude so he must be “so brave” Sure, he makes more money off one video than I will in my entire lifetime, but I sure as hell don’t think he deserves half the attention he gets.

[@bowenchen6359]

The duke university situation for me is very interesting and I feel that the professor’s intentions are not hateful. Being born in Australia with both my parents being Chinese, I feel there is a sediment disconnect between western and Chinese culture. In China, they do talk in a manner which can be considered rude in the West but for them it is the status quo. I feel that the professor has the right intentions to help them assimilate better in to American society and to try patch over cultural differences. However the concept that they wanted the students names for later if they wanted to continue their education and possibly hider it is atrocious

[@historicaldough]

BowenArrow 4B The one thing that comes to mind is when I was in French Immersion, we were scorned when we spoke English because you’re trying to learn the French language. Not sure if that was her intention though.

[@kevshorty]

@@historicaldough it's important to speak the language that is dominant in the circumstance. Because you are being taught to only speak that when in a work environment. I almost got hurt once because the person training me at my new job was speaking half English and half their language. Never thought I would experience something like that but it was certainly scary. The boss lectured us both for making mistakes. But it wouldn't have been my fault because I was being trained improperly. It's policy to only speak the main language only for that reason. It's good to be bilingual, but keep your own language out of classes and work environments so it doesn't become a problem. If I were the teacher I would be concerned that one is asking a question about the class work and you have no idea if the other student is giving good advice or not. Hence I would be in the same boat as the teacher in experiencing problems with communicating. Your teacher just scorned you because she was teaching you to be in a French only environment. Harsh yes but necessary

[@AshtorethSullivan]

I'm an academic (US Master's student) and my biggest issue with the Duke story is actually that the two professors that were 'disturbed' by another language were protected. Academia has a problem with universities and other academics/professors consistently protect themselves over their own students, and that's one reason why there can be such a toxic atmosphere that can include harassment/abuse (emotional, sexual, ect) and a culture of overwork. While I appreciate that the professor who sent the email was trying to keep her students best interests in mind, it would have been much better for her to call our her fellow profs. But I can also see that since she was just an assistant professor (and having women professors is still pretty rare) she may have been uncomfortable or felt unable to call them out.

[@shevY416]

You don’t learn a language by speaking with someone who can barely speak the language themselves... you literally learn a language best by speaking with someone where the language is their native tongue! And why does it matters if people who have nothing to do with your conversation can understand you? Are we all just eves dropping now and are entitled to their conversation? Don’t think she’s racist just ignorant af.

[@jackpayne6797]

With that Email, I think she didn't do anything wrong by sending out that email. She was looking out for her students, when other staff were threatening to ruin their job prospects.

[@howdougetoutofhere]

Nah dude she's racist because she's white and I can read minds!

[@jackpayne6797]

@@howdougetoutofhere yeah definitely lmao

[@xenaseo4478]

Personally, I didn’t find her comment to be racist at all. I think that she just wanted the Chinese students to speak in English in professional settings such as projects and meetings where not everyone can understand mandarin. She’s not asking them to stop speaking mandarin all together in any setting. And many of the Chinese students that actually have her as an advisor say she’s a genuinely nice person so they’re probably more credible than anyone.

[@bujowitch6839]

@@jerenmckey1800 Any time you start an argument with "but", you've lost.

[@frostfang1]

I dont think shes racist. But it definitely can be seen as her being okay with that being how things work now rather than as being concerned and offering at least that warning. Or, if not for the backing of her students, one could think she made up the story as a boogeyman to try to get foreign students to speak less foreign languages.

[@bmba]

It sounds like that teacher was telling students to watch out for other discriminatory teachers that would punish them as a result of speaking in a different language, which is obviously not something that people were aware of. Regardless of whether she went to the news or sent out a public email, she warned her students rather than keeping it secret, and was concerned for them. Why would anyone call her the racist lol, she called out bigoted people for their bs, and went out of her way to spread the word. The only thing I could fault her on is trying to help the students by saying “please be careful about what language you speak, there are people who will put it against you!” rather than saying “the school shouldn’t be doing this discrimination in the first place.”

[@Koujoung]

I don't think she's racist, but she definitely executed this in a VERY poor way. Regardless of what she wrote in her letter, this was a response to a complaint from two faculty members who had a problem with the students speaking Chinese (to each other no less), and wanted them blacklisted for it. So, if I'm an international student, I can't speak my language with other students who speak the same language? Should American students who go to France or Germany to study be forced to only speak French and German on campus (assuming they even know those languages)? Her focus should have been to refute those faculty members because what they were saying was reprehensible, but instead she took their side and bears part of the responsibility. It is unfair though that she's had to take the entire blame for this and those two faculty members haven't been publicly shamed.

[@banditnmbr087]

This what I thought as well. She was warning them about how some people can be. I do think she should have reported those faculty members though.

[@yuxima1245]

I’m confused about the Duke University case. The initial complaint in the first email is that a group of Chinese students speaking Chinese loudly in the student study area. So shouldn’t the topic of the first email be “please be quiet in the public study area”? Instead, those professors shift the problem to “not speaking English at school”. If you really want to help international students to learn English, how about encouraging communication with native speakers or joining special seminars in another separate email? Why do you have to “help” others in a such unpleasant way?

[@OnionKnightRises]

That's the biggest problem with this, the teacher herself did such a poor job at conveying what she wanted to. If her entire message was more properly communicated, there would be far more of a divide and more debate on this situation, because her message was so easily misunderstood. If she explained more clearly, and had given the intent, there'd be less backlash

[@angeloh.7746]

If she would have referred to them as loud just imagine the controversy. She would be called racist

[@madelinerenner6079]

An issue at my school is when this occurs - loud conversations that can become disruptive, and staff not knowing the language and if the nature of conversation is appropriate. I agree the email was poorly worded, but on both sides I see where the students and staff were coming from. Obviously people have the right to speak their language as they choose and not to be racially targeted for this, but I also do know many of my close friends will switch to mandarin to speak negatively about a teacher/student/etc without them knowing. However, I do understand how the email can come off as insensitive.

[@acatwithinternet5635]

I don't think she did anything wrong. My sign language teacher only allowed us to use sign language to communicate whenever we were in the building. We would be told not to talk if they caught us talking. This helped us improve our skills, and it does show that we're making an effort to improve. This is very common at my school. Also, it was on us to speak to other people in sign language and deaf people. The teacher had no obligation to tell fully grown adults to talk to other people in sign language. When you're in college, you are an adult, and everything is your responsibility to do everything you're suppose to.

[@TheEpicProOfMinecraf]

If they weren't forced to speak it, I don't see the problem. It was encouragement, useful endorsement

[@BrandEver117]

People who are disturbed by others speaking in a foreign language: THEY AREN'T TALKING TO YOU. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. GET OVER IT. Being annoyed at someone speaking too loudly is another thing, but language has nothing to do with that.

[@middle_management7582]

I had a biology professor say that he'd dock points if any conversation in the lab or in class was heard in any language other than English. I get it, science done in America is typically done in English, but it is NOT acceptable to demand people speak it 100% of the time. That also said, she didn't demand people speak English, like my professor did. She only suggested it, which is reasonable. It could hurt prospects if they're overheard. It's a sad truth, but racists exist in every facet of society and at every level of power.

[@HexCypherr]

it would hurt prospects because people want to be able to understand what you are saying

[@DMAGAEscober]

So your saying the woman is a racist

[@CraigLP2]

That is latterly saying I’m going to take away anything from you for showing your difference from white peoples that is discrimination

[@idontlikeyouyo]

How is it racist to ask people to talk in English?

[@Saskguy20]

I would have reminded him that a good number of scientific names are Latin in origin.

[@slapahoe69]

LMFAO that tattoo is gonna heal horribly

[@LucaW.]

And the inevitable removal isn't going to be so fun either.

[@Nebzz]

It washed right off with soapy water.

[@kiruschka123]

The students spoke in the student lounge/study area (read the e-mail) - it was all outside their classes. The Professor can dislike it as much as he wants, but what they do in their breaks/outside their classes it is only their problem, even if this is on the ground of the university.

[@tory6733]

I watch KZbin a lot and I don’t know 99% of creators with over a million subs. I probably only watch 1 of the top 10. My point is you could be somewhat engrained in youtube even and still not really know any youtubers

[@GradenVeEvel]

Exactly, it's like with KZbin Rewind, most of us don't know those people, but others do.

[@maeahem]

I’m 30 this year. I joined KZbin at the start and I don’t know a lot of the popular KZbinrs these days. I only find out when the drama spills over and Phil has to cover it. Didn’t know who the Logans, Tana, James Charles, that Trisha? person, even Jeffree Stars until last year. Meh, I watch a lot of theory and review channels.

[@Bibimbapski]

I agree. I've always heard of Shane and Jeffree Star but I only started watching some of their videos lately and I just recently heard of James Charles.

[@olivervarney2853]

I dont even know a lot of people with 5-10 mil tbh

[@AnimalLover101195]

I just found Phil last month and I've been on KZbin for years. I've heard about him in passing but never saw a video. I learned about a lot of other KZbinrs through him. It just goes to show that KZbin is such a large platform that you have have 5 or 10 or even 20 million subs and some people on the platform still either never heard of you or only heard of you in passing.

[@xx1norm1xx]

I’m glad people weren’t blaming james Charles for the traffic, it was clearly the stores fault for not giving notice.

[@LoveandLightHK]

Professor was well intended. People are bigots and she was telling on them to protect her students.

[@TheCloudhopper]

I'll take a traffic jam caused by James Charles over a traffic accident caused by Logan Paul any day.

[@RKNGL]

The internet has allowed for non-mainstream niches to grow and thrive. For this reason there are a massive amount of people who have millions of followers but are unknown by the general public. Just look at the people you or your friends follow, you're definitely going to find examples of this quite quickly.

[@AzazelHash281]

EDEN/The EDEN project he’s an indie music producer with very good music (in my opinion) but whenever it seems he’s gonna blow up he becomes quiet again even though he’s doing tours all over the country

[@DeeznutztheOG]

Honestly looking at this shocked me. I mean as teens on youtube we watch these influencers every day but realizing the following they have actually in real life and their influence is pretty impressive like celebrity level almost

[@Odinsday]

The internet takes “The Most Famous Person you’ve Never Heard Of” to a whole new level.

[@g.e.o.r.g.e...]

I do wish Phil would understand his audience a bit better, and stop trying to push this James Charles person on us.

[@demonvictim]

Its just like finding the top furry out there making massive bank. Apparently if you make good furry porn drawings you can get some serious commissions.

[@thebestian]

Neely was just looking out for them in a cruel world. The worst thing you can do is silence her. IF her claims were legitimate and professors asked for their names to potentially bar them for career or academic prospects, she was doing them a favor and helping. As a fellow American I know this all too well. People are not comfortable when people or groups speak in different languages. (Maybe in other countries as well). This shows that she was on their side, and trying to get them the best outcome possible. I saw nothing in those emails that showed that she was upset with them speaking the language at all. In fact I can't understand how people could be angry at her for the first email in question. It's a warning regarding other professors actions. Unfortunately all this media craze has done has prevented people like Neely from warning good students about what's actually going on.

[@aayushsingh3927]

Well, I have to disagree. Someone speaking a foreign language is not a cause for discomfort (at least in a reasonable context). In a professional setting, such as class, an internship, or a job, of course it would make sense to speak English. They was these emails were interpreted (which matters immensely) was that it was a veiled threat to their success in school. In a lounge, foreign students have all the right to speak in a foreign language. Were they too loud? Perhaps, but they should've been reprimanded only on their volume, not the language they were speaking.

[@thebestian]

The point was that she was warning them of other professors potential bad behavior, that could impact the students future. Not to reprimand them. (As far as I can infer with the emails given.) I obviously can't rule out the possibility that she was potentially annoyed as well, but there are no indicators in her emails. A large amount of Americans are afraid of other languages taking a foothold in our society. While it is likely an illogical fear, this fear does exist in many spheres, including academia.

[@cmike123]

If she was really on their side, she would have possibly tried to get the professors censured for being racist. If the kids are learning in English, taking exams in English, and turning in papers in English, them speaking Mandarin/Szechuan is only a plus. That's what's wrong with America today. Cats wanna fuck with the kids instead of rooting out the racism.

[@romancandleofthewild]

She should have reprimanded the professors, not the students. In the email, it seems she chastising the students and not really bringing attention to the issues with the professors.

[@arlettefuckyeah]

why me talking in my native language would be an opportunity for others to harass me?? it baffles me how Americans are so into their own country and don’t care to learn more than English (the majority of them) and even shame the ones who can speak more than one

[@MrJonojono34]

getting a face tattoo of a face is bold ill tell you that

[@nghtspawn651]

MrJonojono34 you mean stupid.

[@Dblup]

Blueface baby... yea ight.

[@tonyv1796]

i think it's cringy af. i wondered if she was old enough to get a tattoo but she's 24.

[@amyspeers8012]

I am an American living in France as an expat. I am taking French classes and in class for 14 hours a week and speak only French while in class. While on our petite pause-10 min break-I will speak English a bit to my classmates who speak English. Being in an environment where your native language is not spoken is tiring. To be able to talk to talk and not have to think is freeing. Perhaps the professor has never lived in another country? I think the comment was not thought through and she has apologized.

[@AlbintheOctopus]

I agree, I'm an American in England and I took Chinese classes during university. Our 2 hour classes had a 5-minute break in between lessons and we would all immediately start speaking English again.

[@snake555510]

I disagree, when I first moved to English speaking country I was surrounded by people from my country, throughout first few years I learned almost nothing because I never stopped speaking my native language during school. My English only improved significantly when I moved to another institution where I didn't have anyone to speak my native language with. So as harsh as it sounds you learn better if you avoid speaking your native language 24/7. Also when you speak a language where majority of people don't understand it you most likely badmouth without them realising which is rude.

[@lunayen]

@BlackPuma It's not about the language being "hard." It's about how tiresome it is to speak a language you're not comfortable speaking. I can speak Spanish, though not fluently. Whenever I meet Spanish speakers they breathe a sigh of relief when they know I speak Spanish, as speaking Dutch gets tiring after a while. But then I have the problem where speaking Spanish all the time tires me out. You have to think of what you want to say, how to use the right words in the right language what for of verbs should you use, etc. Not to mention how you have to mentally translate what you want to say into a different language. All of that can be mentally draining. It isn't that some people don't want to learn, but mentally it's freeing when you can speak in your native tongue even if it's for 5 minutes.

[@FredrickTesla]

@Amy Speers That doesn't follow. You're saying the teacher did something wrong to advise students they should speak a foreign language all the time, yet you're in a place that has directly told you you can only speak English for a specific period of time. If that teacher is wrong, that would also make the administration where you are wrong for restricting your use of English. I hope you are speaking against them just as you are speaking against the professor in the video.

[@herebyhereby2874]

She's saying don't be so obnoxious about it. And this wasn't during break this was a happening a lot

[@anjulikamins6420]

Don't put anyone's face on your body! #commonsense

[@Kate-ll9qo]

Anjuli Kamins Only fictional characters faces!

[@anjulikamins6420]

@@Kate-ll9qo truth! I would get a fantasy art tattoo, I wonder how many people use pics they found on deviant art, would you have to pay for the rights to the image of they found out? Lol

[@victor9]

Or just put your own face on your body. Win win!

[@ANite-vx1vk]

. . . Is there something even more basic than common sense? Face tattoos should fall under that category.

[@blazeingfire555]

I understand tribute tattoos of other people as memorial, but this is excessive

[@Gilhelmi]

I have no idea who James Charles is, but this shows the power of niche. As a huge geek, I have made far too many comments that no one understood to be surprised.

[@zimbabweking]

Im a Zimbabwean and my "Native Language" is Shona, but when I was in Canada for university I understood that it is exclusionary to constantly speak my language in public as my Canadian an international friends wouldn't understand. I understand that people do it because they miss home, especially when you spend 9 or more months away from home but its a bad look. I didn't notice how weird it was until my gf (who was Filipino) constantly spoke to her friends in Filipino, Spanish and Mandarin (the languages she spoke). it got to the point that I would remind fellow Zimbabweans that it was awkward to everyone around us to do it all the time.

[@zeed33r]

does it use things like "ooga booga" or tonghee clicks?

[@phoebesulistio6830]

If you're talking to a group of people and they all understood the language though? I don't think that's exclusionary, that's just convenience. If you are sitting with international friends and they don't speak the language you're using to talk to someone else in your group, I can understand, but in students in today's story were just talking amongst themselves and not addressing the whole damn lounge.

[@_ainyy]

Except they were speaking to each other. Not to the room. Do you have conversations with your friends (in any language even english) with the intent of making sure everyone in the room is able to understand and be a part of your conversation? No. So who cares what language theyre speaking? Their conversation is no one else's bussiness.

[@thomasnewton8223]

I don’t think it’s awkward unless the people around you are xenophobic, I personally find it cool to hear other languages and I don’t usually eavesdrop on other public conversations anyways so it makes no difference to me.

[@jalonjt]

Thomas Newton Xenophobia? That’s some Olympic level mental gymnastics

[@joyzy2423]

Omg the one with the harry styles face tattoo looks nothing like him I feel so bad for her but she shouldn’t get a bloody harry styles face tattoo

[@daetsmlolliw]

Alicia T I do not feel bad for morons. Let them be stupid and made fun of. They deserve all the scrutiny they get

[@isabella-8959]

I feel sorry for that professor. She had pure intentions and was genuinely looking out for her students. In Australia they encourage foreign uni students to always speak English and surround themselves with English speaking students. But usually people only stick to their own nationalities and speak their language between them. It's a missed opportunity if they do that, especially if they aren't very good at English. I know if I went to another country to study, I'd like to practice the language and become fluent, instead of only speaking English with other foreigners.

[@dirkstrickland135]

Isabella - I am a Chinese graduate student in the US. The majority of the Chinese students actually consider her as the whistleblower and the scapegoat of this situation. She was really trying to look out for the foreign students and many of us felt bad for her. The true assholes here are the two faculties who asked her for the names of Chinese students to further blacklist them from future opportunities. People are angry because they didn’t get exposed and punished. The racial discrimination in academia and workplace is like the US military policy on homosexuality: don’t ask don’t tell. The discrimination has always been there and she is the only person who’s kind enough to remind us of the reality. I as well as most of my friends regard her as the hero.

[@kevinz8554]

No way - the professor let her students private information leak out. That's a failure to the rest of her students.

[@dylanhealy1369]

Being from an Australian Uni it can be real rough when you have to work with the students on assignments that don't learn english enough because you can be stuck spending 5-10 hours correcting all their work because it is riddled with broken english and it is almost a given to be working with these students because there is so many of them.

[@dirkstrickland135]

jesus barrera Graduate programs in the US all require applicants to pass TOFEL( Test of English as Foreign Language), especially for prestigious institutions like Duke which requires very high level of language proficiency. It’s very unlikely that those students were poor in English. Additionally, those two faculties had problem with them speaking Chinese, not their English proficiency. They didn’t even know the names of the Chinese students for F sake. Graduate-level researches are often tedious and time consuming. I generally spend hours in the lab waiting for the data to be collected and analyzed. While waiting for results, I would have casual talks with my colleagues, sometimes in Chinese when there are only Chinese students. Languages are meant to be used for communications. Me and my Chinese colleagues are proficient in both Chinese and English and we choose the language we use to communicate. That’s all it is.

[@isabella-8959]

@@dirkstrickland135 yeah, I suspected the faculty members didn't have good intentions. I was just telling the "Australian" experience or whatever. I'm not sure the English tests my uni provides, but most foreign students here can understand English but can't speak it well. So in classes where we do group work, communication can be difficult. Or even, the foreign students may feel secluded and outcasted? Because of the language barrier? practice makes perfect. We don't have any negative repercussions though for speaking another language. So there's that.

[@supahero00]

Pertaining to the Duke University debacle, there is no credible evidence that she was trying to be racist on any level with her trying to give them information regarding common decency. It is a cultural difference when it comes to communication and how it happens. Some cultures are just louder than others. Some would take offense to the level on which they speak because in their culture loudness is considered aggressive behavior. And if someone is new to this country or its culture those things are not common knowledge. Furthermore, when gathering with your own, your sense of comfort it heightened in turn giving you a sense of cultural license. Far too many people are thin-skinned these days I'm kinda be triggered by the slightest figurative sneeze of any Spectrum. I find it quite exhausting.

[@prostheticaim8030]

She is supporting her students by telling them what employers will not

[@TheSpacecraftX]

As someone of mixed race I am a big believer in integrating and mixing but I'm not against using your own mother tongue. I HAVE noticed that Chinese students are usually the most insular demographic who don't like to mingle with with UK , European, American, Middle Eastern, African students. This is in the UK but if it's like here I can understand where the prof was coming from. It obviously shouldn't impact their career options but I can see the concern about some students not having a full experience of living in the country and working with new people from a different culture. From my experience we see Chinese/East Asian students not use communal study spaces or labs, talk exclusively in Chinese/whatever language they speak at home, and generally don't mingle and make friends with anyone from outside their cliques when I don't see the same issues with other groups of students. There is a sizeable contingent of Bulgarians in my year and Polish in the year below as well as a scattering of Americans but they make many friends not just from their home country.

[@stevechris8697]

@Lusty First amendment rights should not matter much in this case, i dont think the main issue is that foreign students speaking their language but rather speaking it in the classroom, i dont think anyone has an issue with groups of foreign students speaking their own language during breaks but as she said in a "professional environment" its extremely rude to go into another country for such a time and not learn the language or culture, they need to in order to get through the class, they aint gonna cater to exchange students the students have to fit the system, whether they be natural English speakers or not.

[@Justakez]

It's called an asian bubble. Being asian myself, I grew up in both asia and a western country and what you said is very true and is easily observable everywhere you go. Another thing is, usually in asian bubbles, having been in multiple, they are often (but definitely not all of course) quite rude or racist themselves. If you're living in an english speaking language to work or study, then you should be (or at least try to be) speaking English in public, especially if you're going to be loud and rude.

[@stevechris8697]

I assume that she and other faculty members believe that study areas are a professional setting, i can see your point but when in professional institutions you are expected to speak the tongue of the place, this is in every county with Asia being quite harsh on not learning the language, im cool and all with people speaking their own language, but maybe, while just at those places, try to speak the language of the people around you. I dont agree with the whole "being so impolite as to have a conversation that not everyone on the floor could understand,” or potentially threatening future prospects but i understand her and other members wanting exchange students to speak the language of the county they are learning in, they will need the language to get into internships and masters programs so why hire people they perceive as not bothering to learn the language, however i do think its just people speaking to their own people in their own tongue and not indicative of them not learning English.

[@giomjava]

That's exactly what I observe in my university as well.

[@michaelpark6417]

Well I think it depends. I remember kids in my university saying oh those kids don't talk to us blah blah blah and saying they were snobby because they rich but most of them never tried talking to them. I usually do in my classes and they are usually down to earth cool kids. But both sides dont ever talk to each other and most Americans make fun of them but I dont know what the Chinese kids think of the American students tho

[@erint8507]

I think that speaking in a different language while others are participating in the group is rude, BUT nowhere does she say that whilst in the professors presence were they doing this. She said that they were being loud an disruptive in the building WHILE speaking Chinese. If they’re being disruptive in an academic building then reprimand them as such, do not reprimand them just because they are speaking in a language you don’t understand. I have professors who will converse with fellow professors in the hallway in their native language like Russian, French, Chinese, but I don’t feel like they are being rude to me. They are just doing what makes them feel the most comfortable. If I was in a conversation with the two of them and they started speaking in a different language, then yes I would feel a bit disrespected. But they are free to do whatever they want otherwise. I am a bilingual and so are so many of my peers, especially in fields of science it is inevitable. Let people do what makes them feel comfortable, they are at the university because of passing an English language test meaning their standards of English are already met. Why should anyone “take advantage” of practicing their English when they have nothing to prove to their peers who are more comfortable speaking in their shared language.

[@mrrumpledumple2132]

Erin T you’ve gone all out here

[@phoebesulistio6830]

This exactly >_< It makes me feel so bad for them that people are bringing up something as stupid as "they're not taking this opportunity to better their language skills" as if their speech in a public space is the only place they ever practice talking...

[@commondenominator7657]

Then the email would have said 'stop being disruptive' not 'stop speaking chinese'. If you read the email she explains her reasons and it's clear her issue is with the speaking of Chinese.

[@erint8507]

Natasha Smith it says in the email she sent out that they were speaking very loudly. If they were being loud and disruptive in an academic setting, then the email should have addressed their volume and not the language they were speaking which is the point I’m trying to make...”According to Neely, her colleagues wanted to identify students they had observed “speaking Chinese (in their words, VERY LOUDLY)” in the student lounge and study areas.”

[@Trixie0026]

The woman sending the email is not racist. She is giving an advice, yes it is badly worded but at least she didn't speak mean things in their back like the two other teachers. But, it is actually very common for people to have those kind of expectations towards international students. When I was in highschool (in a French school) it was forbidden for any students to speak another language than French even during lunch or breaks. If you were caught speaking another language (outside language classes) you could get a warning or a detention. I can understand why a teacher could send an email like that, the students are in a English environment and are expected to speak English, but if they aren't in class, especially In University, there shouldn't be any laguage police. the real problem isn't her, it is the other teachers saying that they are lazy.

[@angelthwe2878]

The thing is when those faculty members asked for the photo roster, she could have taken it as an opportunity to educate them and tell them that it's wrong. But no! She GAVE the photo roster to them, enabling their actions. After all, the students weren't even in class. If I'm talking to my friend in another language, it's literally non of anybody else's business.

[@Trixie0026]

Igeto12 yes if we were on campus and a teacher caught us speaking another language than French outside English or Spanish class, we could get it trouble. And yes it's a weird rule Also yeah I get what you mean as an enabler. I think she might have been under pressure but I still think that she had good intentions and just an overall bad execution. But yeah really akward situation and hopefully those students gets formal excuses.

[@quite1enough]

Virtually unknown news channel talked about virtually unknown US vlogger

[@mottorcycle2559]

John Smith and can’t understand that no has ever heard of them

[@michaelnewton1754]

The only time James Charles even exists is when he's mentioned by Phil... Have never heard anyone else talk about him. Have never seen his vids in any feed or playlist...

[@xbigex833]

The zombie apocalypse better not start in that mall

[@doubleo4974]

The zombie apocalypse BETTER start in that mall

[@blazzered2]

All we'll need to do is send a freelancer journalist, via helicopter, who has covered wars.

[@lovegurl882]

I'm from North Carolina and this is how our entire state runs, racist. I'm sick of reading the comments of its rude that not everyone can understand, IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. If they wanted everyone to know they would speak in the little bit of English they know. They are already struggling to learn in a new language let them study comfortably in their primary language. The fact that a professor was threatening to not encourage internships or projects just because they are choosing to speak another language in a COMMON ROOM is terrible and disrespectful to the intelligence and capability of that person. Yes she wants them to continue to improve their English but that should be only in the classroom setting at the most, not in a personal setting. I've seen other comments about how we Americans speak only English in other countries because typically that's what most of us can only speak, that in which is also very true, we feel privileged to speak a language like English but it is the most difficult language to learn.

[@katienoelle3785]

I have worked with exchange students and have been an exchange student myself. Avoiding speaking your native language really does help you learn a new language and it helps you adapt to the new culture. My exchange student organization has always encouraged the students to always speak in the language of the country they are studying in.

[@hollymorgan7420]

yeah but to want their names for speaking in Chinese outside of the classroom so you can not give them a job? that's the definition of discrimination. I get what the professor sending the email was trying to do but the professors asking for names were crazy to do that.

[@iBeFloe]

There’s no mention of that group being unable to speak English anyways. Staff simply heard them speak in canto/mandarin & got mad thinking they didn’t know English. They obviously must know English if they’re studying overseas at an English campus.

[@OnionKnightRises]

There's a difference between being encouraged to speak in English more often, and being discouraged from speaking your native language. That's the problem with this specific situation

[@breadman8831]

Lusty did you mean follow?

[@adisonmacdonald4012]

Katie Noelle Has

[@Mugwash52]

How can you put virtually unknown and "8,000 fans" in the same sentence.

[@TheJttv]

KZbin is very segmented if you do not follow beauty channels you don't know who he is. If you don't follow sailing channels then you don't know who SV Delos is, but in the sailing world they are massive and have inspired thousands to go sail the world.

[@wiseguy1512]

Bingo

[@j.a.greene3523]

If there are 80 million people in the country, and a magazine believes he only has 8,000 fans, that's 0.0001% of the entire population... I would qualify that as "relatively unknown". ...to put in perspective, there's more than 8,000 people who believe that the world is flat, so...

[@MsLucia4179]

Because 8,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to 8,000,000,000 people in the world.

[@MsLucia4179]

Also the pewds has close to 1,000,000 subscribers and there are people who still don't know who he is, so yeah James Charles IS virtually unknown by comparison.

[@barbarianislander3805]

There's something wrong with your system if the entire government shuts down over a tantrum.

[@tj843]

No shit

[@JanderVK]

president*

[@tinaDesjarlais]

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[@poloniumt]

Cancun American You really aren’t wrong my guy...

[@sithsquid1]

You are absolutely correct. The Democrats need to stop throwing a childish tantrum and work with our President. He offers compromises, and they refuse to entertain any thought of negotiations. It's all very political.

[@laineysmith6688]

It's so much less depressing to just watch the Philip DeFranco Show than watch the news these days. Bless you hahaha

[@Royskooner]

Speaking from the point of view of living in a country with over 20 scheduled and countless more widely spoken languages, this Duke thing is so strange. Anytime you head to the college canteen on my campus you can hear at least 5-6 distinct languages being spoken. I'll understand maybe 2-3 of them and it's so hard for me to understand why anyone thinks speaking only one language is a sign of integration or generally a good thing. Neely was maybe trying to protect students from other malicious staff members but the way she worded her email is just tone deaf.

[@CSI2b]

First of all, that Duke professor was an assistant professor which means she was doing the best she could with the resources she had since she very likely didn’t have tenure or was coming up on going in front of a tenure review board. Could she have reported the issue? Sure, but it may have ruined her career and caused the same amount of problems she is having now because she would likely have been reporting tenured professors with funding and power. I reported sexual harassment in grad school and you know what they did? Absolutely jack shit. That is the way academia works and the people in it know that. There is no accountability for older professors and limited accountability for younger ones. The best the department will do is try and steer students away from professors with the most complaints. Second, while I don’t condone the vindictive behavior of the professors mentioned in the email, I do understand their point of view. The issue was not that they were having a conversation in Chinese; it was a sign to the professors of a larger problem. The real issue is that many students come to the US to study and are barely able to speak the language despite what their test scores indicate (Non-native speakers do generally have to pass a proficiency test when applying for grad school). This makes it incredibly difficult for other students, professors, as well as the students themselves. Despite what is advertised, what professors are looking for is competent students who can come in and make them look good. That is very difficult if you can’t speak the language especially well and therefore can’t communicate effectively at a graduate school level. This is particularly true in the sciences as specific wording and semantics can change the meaning of an entire presentation. While this may or may not have been the case with these particular students (many students come over and are excellent speakers in both English and their native language), that is the general concern for students in that situation.

[@RobinFlysHigh]

This exactly

[@jamesotaji3334]

The main problem here is this: To be accepted into a university in the US or Canada as an international student, you need to get an 'A' in language proficiency test so if those people are students then it means that they know how to speak English. Speaking English when you are among people who speak your native language is the equivalent of writing a formal email to you mom instead of just texting her - you can do that but the text is far more comfortable. Also, International students are not foreign exchange students and they are not immigrants. They are essentially tourists going to school - they can speak whatever they want as long as they understand the language they are being instructed in.

[@JessicaSo]

Most of my friends and family have no idea who Christine from SimplyNailogical is. Too bad they aren’t holosexuals

[@johnegbert708]

Something similar to the Duke email thing happening in my high school my freshmen year. Several students where talking very loudly in spanish walking down the hallway (well call it B). Hallway B is where the english learning center was at the time. I was there when it happened. The students where walking to the culinary class, but the EL Assistant teacher scolded them for not practicing their english more, and even said he was going to dock their grades because part of their grades was 'practice' (but the other teacher who actually designed the curriculum said that it ONLY meant in HER class and was like a participation grade, 20 minuets of the class was supposed to be spent trying their best to uphold a conversation in english and english alone). Everyone was super pissed off about it, the whole school basically made him into a symbol for racism in the school, oh it was UGLY. He kept saying that he really just meant the best for the students and wanted them to grow more and fit in the school better. He ended up quitting after the sixth time someone targeted his room for repeated vicious pranking. (which, by the by, not the best way to handle it.) Chinese students holding a conversation in their native language outside the classroom isnt them slacking off or not practicing. Fuck it maybe they didnt WANT you to understand it. Or what they were discussing they just didnt know the words for, or about 100 other explainations that all branch back to one answer. Non ya daymned business fuckface.

[@bluester7177]

I can't speak for them but as a person that don't have english as my native language I find really comforting to be able to speak my portuguese when I'm at long periods of times speaking only english.

[@bobjones2959]

That email from Duke University looked well-intentioned, but it isn't a good look for the staff member or the university when she specifically points out the students' language preference and essentially passes on a veiled threat from other staff members over job prospects without criticising the threat and instead treating it like its a natural consequence. I also think the two staff members in question should be punished, though not Neely herself.

[@troy4096]

That professor had good intentions, but a horrible approach to the situation. It would have been much more appropriate to send those emails to the faculty that were actively being racist. I went to a university with a huge foreign population and I always thought it was heart warming to see other foreigners speaking their native tongue. I am sure it was nice for them to find a place of comfort after being thrust into a wold of new flying thousands of miles away from their home. We also had plenty of international professors that had trouble with English, so maybe Duke needs some more diversity and inclusivity in their staff.

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[@Nick-pt6sl]

That tattoo does not look like Harry Styles, it looks like Dustin from Stranger Things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@crimsonhalo13]

It looks like drunken black spaghetti.

[@MJordanrocks2002]

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