Why People Are Quitting Elden Ring

[@TheCastaberg]

If you came into Elden Ring expecting a linear Souls title, you played yourself from the get go. The game wants you to explore before speed running into the main bosses, it makes sense. There’s plenty of mini bosses to grind up before going down the main story

[@xxdevilx3]

Spot on! Some people don't understand the idea of exploration and progression. The reason margit is a hard boss is because fromsoft wants the players to explore limgrave first and see what the open world has to offer. It is genius in my opinion because if you're really good at the game you can kill margit at a low level but if you suck - like most people - you retaliate and explore the world to become better in every aspect. The game naturally guides you to make that decision.

[@puracheach]

Yeah what is he expect they even said there is open area

[@BlastHeart96]

Big agree! It’s like some people nowadays are incapable of sitting back and enjoying something rather than just rushing to the end. If I just dropped $60+ on a game you’d better believe are going to enjoy it to the fullest.

[@doubled99218]

@@xxdevilx3 the game doesn't clarify that lol. fromsoftwares games so far have all be linear. this is the first time as an open world game that its breaking away from that. can't blame the players, its just bad game design which asmongold was trying to get across.

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Not just that but of these open world games Elden Ring, imo, laid things out pretty well. Rarely is there an area that doesn’t reward a little exploring and sometimes (like where summit was) you go back there once you obtain something. Breath of the wild I couldnt quite get into because of almost the same reasons Summit gave for Elden Ring but that was mostly because it was an open space but there were also some patterns you could identify to find key points of interest. It felt similar to Skyrim. Elden Ring however feels packed with things to do.

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

Summit is the kinda guy who doesn't wipe his ass, cause there was no quest objective telling him to do it

[@jynflyn3650]

😂

[@MP-py1ei]

Ridiculous 😂😂😂😂

[@uncommonsense7821]

😅😅😅

[@indicasesh]

😂 ok this needs more likes

[@ketchard]

I kinda agree with him since there’s so much dead space

[@Sean-pm3wn]

I think the mini bosses you find through exploration are actually what your first bosses are supposed to be.

[@thefull9746]

I think so too

[@yoavlandau7871]

Fuck that lion with sword

[@spotttttt2843]

fr that giant at frontgate

[@guts9160]

I don't know the tree sentinel it's harder than Margit i think

[@bungusboyyo]

@@yoavlandau7871 wait til you get 2 lions and one has magic ;)

[@theboogster2]

This is my first Souls like game, and Margit kicked my ass. I ended up in Caelid before I killed him. But then I discovered the wonders of magic in this game

[@yoogni4108]

Same! I’ve already put 40 hours into this game and I’m yet to beat Margit, but it’s still extremely fun and I look forward to discovering more ways to actually get good and improve.

[@batchest7201]

@@yoogni4108 would you recommend it to someone who’s never played as well? I loved botw, that’s why I was interested because I like open world

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@yoogni4108 go find the teleporting chest in the Dragon-Burned ruins at Agheel lake. Once it teleports you, GET THE HELL OUT OF THAT TUNNEL AS QUICK AS YOU CAN. Once you’re out, walk to the shoreline of the lake now that you’re in Caelid. Hang a left, keep an eye out for an item sitting in a small, wrecked stone building on the shoreline. There’s gonna be a dog in there that can hit you with Scarlet Rot if you don’t kill him quickly. Get the item, it’s a summon for that same dog. Use that little guy on Margit. Keep Margit’s aggro long enough for your new doggo to proc Rot on Margit. Then, all you gotta do is avoid him until the Rot kills him.

[@xxXXPurifiedSpiritfallXXxx]

@@batchest7201 I've never played another souls game other than Dark Souls 3 remastered, and I used cheats in that one, yet now, I'm lvl 76 and close to finishing the game. Entirely worth it.

[@batchest7201]

@@xxXXPurifiedSpiritfallXXxx are the bosses extremely hard tho? Also a worry of mine is getting to a point in the game where I’m under leveled and won’t know what to do

[@PhuzzyBond]

As a newer player to DS series, started DS3 few weeks back. Then in Elden Ring, Margit was the hardest boss to fight, died around 20 times. After taking a step back and practicing against Mad Tongue Alberich, came back and got Margit from the Second attempt. I enjoy this difficulty, but Margit was definitely much stronger than Champion Gundyr for a first storyline boss.

[@Pandemia616]

I found alberich way harder tbh he was two shotting me 😂 I died a fair bit to margit but I literally nearly killed him on my third try at level twenty so I knew I could do and really just needed more heals.

[@chimpy7267]

There is an item you can get to bind Margit during combat a few times. The devs knew it was hard so they put in an item to help.

[@Pandemia616]

@@chimpy7267 margits shackle yeah I found it after I beat him lol that's why it's important to explore

[@maran947]

Yes but there are 20 mini bosses you can kill before Margit

[@Brad-lt2re]

I really don't understand why everyone struggles with Margit, for me godrick was 10x harder

[@snakething87]

Games don’t have to be for everyone.

[@AlienPatch]

Don't HAVE to... but it tends to be neat when they are.

[@llwonder]

@@TheRealAb216 you can be casual and enjoy games like elden ring. Casual and MMOs don’t work well together because they require immense time investment. Any dark souls game can be played very casually, but you need to have a base level of skill to progress

[@1984Variant]

@@TheRealAb216 there's casual, where you don't play much and then there's just being bad and the game genre not being for that person. Genres should not cater to all audiences.

[@theguyinhd]

that's the best part of it really, that devs can go and turn their vision into their ideal game. Imagine there was a rulebook that you had to follow when making a game or like a checklist of all the people you have to please with a certain game. Or imagine artists would have to change an artwork because someone doesn't like it

[@Voltroc]

You aren't keeping up with the times. Everything must homogenize.

[@LithiumProductions]

I've never played a Souls game, but I've found that getting deleted by the first boss actually made me go explore the world to rank up and get better, so I could feel a sense of accomplishment when I finally beat him. And unlike watching people playing other games, I was free to do that, instead of: die to boss-run back-die to boss-run back, etc. just to progress the game. With Elden Ring, boss too tough? Get stronger, come back later.

[@ngwoo]

The Souls formula is so well-suited to an open world structure that I'm surprised we didn't get a game like this earlier. It completely eliminates the problem of getting stonewalled by a boss.

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

It's been this way with every souls game, People just mad because it's open world but souls games are always about the World building, Exploration, Lore and Bosses.. Every encounter is only as difficult as the player makes it on themselves.

[@cechichan]

sooo, would it be playable/enjoyable for someone that DOES NOT like souls game? if i have hard combat(but not soul like by any means) to grind- and then have a fair chance with bosses, i would def try it bcz i love the world and the combat, but i dont enjoy the very hard difficulty, just not my thing, i enjoy more casual difficutly games bcz thats what i like ;p have fun palying tho guys!

[@wayfa13]

@@xLionsxxSmithyx I was about to say this; there was nothing stopping anyone from respawning and farming adds for souls to lvl up. Boggles my mind.

[@wayfa13]

@@cechichan then try smth like Mortal Shell (cuz it's cheap, fun and doesn't take too long to play through), or see if you can get a Souls game on discount, to see if you'd enjoy it. If you buy via Steam, you could get a refund if it's not your jam

[@MugMan]

People expect linear pathing and I feel Fromsoft took that knowledge and lead you to Margit which is both clever and awful, in short, it's because he is too difficult for most players but it also teaches you that you will need to learn from your mistakes and should take some time to level up and explore. That being said, I think FROM did a good job on letting the player know that you should try exploring other places because the Tree sentinel that is right outside the first step already should explain to the player that fighting them is an option and just because it's the first thing you see in the open area doesn't mean it should be fought.

[@thebepis712]

I thought I was just miserably bad at soulsbourne games lol, glad to find out the reason i got stomped on was in part due to difficulty lol

[@debrabarber3483]

@@snickle1980 look, I'd be fine if it wasn't advertised as a single player game. It's not. Companion AI is bad, summoned characters are bad, and you're constantly seeing other players unless you turn it off. I'm not mad that the game is hard, I'm mad it was supposed to be a single player game, not an MMO

[@MugMan]

​@@debrabarber3483 I get wanting a difficulty option because I am someone who believes games should have some accessibility for players but overall it comes down to the vision and marketing of the game. With that out of the way, Elden Ring is pretty well another Dark Souls game under another IP IMO, that being said in all of those games there has never been microtransactions, or multiplayer required. The closest thing you had to accessibility was to summon an AI or someone in, but I know a few people, including myself, like to play these games solo first for the experience and the challenge. The game doesn't need to be coop only or MMO and has proved that through its other games and its success here. There are other people who share similar opinions as you have shared and it seems to come down to the same reasoning which is this game is to challenging to be considered fun or accesible to your needs. I think it is an unfair and biased opinon to say this game forces coop and grinding and feel that comes from frustration from accessibility, because like you said, a lot of friends say the game is fun and between consumer reviews and profressional critics, the game scoring great and being well recieved by most. It's fine to hate a game for many reasons, but to extend your opinion with a heated bias like "forces coop and grinding so expect microtransactions in the future" seems unreasonable.

[@debrabarber3483]

@@MugMan I hope that they don't go in that direction, but they might, the game looks great, but seems poorly designed as an open world game. At least for the first 20 or so hours. People are saying it gets better 50 hours in, but I don't know if I want to invest that time doing something I find boring and frustrating. I want to explore, but I usually get punished with a one hit death, so that's not fun. I'm also not a fan of games that steal your experience. It feels like a huge needless waste of time in a game that is non linear and doesn't need a time sink mechanic. Would have overlooked it if the game was not extremely frustrating, but so far I just want my money back. Feels like I got ripped off

[@debrabarber3483]

@@snickle1980 umm yep, multilayer needs to be on. It's a good thing you can turn it off, but why is it even there in this kind of game? It would be like wasting time putting it in the Witcher 3. That's why it feels forced in, like they were trying to make an MMO, but changed their mind half way through. Or they are trying to force co op though difficulty. Also the companion AI are only available in certain places. Don't worry about them though, they tend to get in the way and mess up your combos

[@duplexitydave]

What I really like about this game compared to others in the souls series, is that when you are faced with a boss that you are having a hard time against, the game allows you to explore the vast map to fight enemies and maybe find another boss that may be easier or even just to clear your mind. Alot bosses in previous games were literal roadblocks where you couldn't really do much else until you kill them. Which exists in this game to an extent but you have much more freedom than other games.

[@JoeKing69]

I just realized something, isn't that something players already did in past games albeit to a much lesser extent? I would just farm some mobs and gain a few more levels before trying again there's nothing really new with this approach so I don't what people are on about.

[@lainvohndyrec962]

As someone who is a sucker for lore, this game is like traversing in a book. I explored so much in the game that I got items so op for the early bosses. I enjoyed all the subtle puzzles in the game.

[@Hirnvel]

Dude I spent 8 hours in the lower part of Limgrave ,there is so much to find and do in this game. Honestly, people who skip the open world and just run to the castle are missing 80% of this incredible game . And also ,Margit is balanced with that in mind.If they made the boss easier ,the people who explore everything would just 2 shot the boss when they get to him.

[@hector9586]

I actually hate it, it's more about stats rather than skill, I am kinda annoyed I have to go back farm more stuff just to kill a boss I want to kill ( unless you wanna waste 8 hours of your life min-maxing every single hit), in Sekiro, it was more about skill, you either learn the mechanics and weakness or will never beat the boss. Forced stuff is no fun.

[@swingtity9798]

That's what veterans don't like. You don't have to get good

[@The88shrimp]

Unfortunately, when a game like Elden Ring gets so hyped up, people who generally don't like souls like games or BotW style world design games will still feel the need to buy it purely because of the hype. This leads to them having a bad experience and complaining that the game is "bad" because it's simply bot their type of game. Personally, I'm loving it because I love souls games but I ain't going to tell friends that I know don't like souls games that they "have to get it" and "it's the best game in the world" etc.

[@arceptor]

I love botw. I hate this

[@resleyyeltser3996]

Luckily i bought the game coz of the hype, but directly hooked into it bcause of the challenge

[@theguyinhd]

lmao I actually got all my friends hooked on it, even though most of them never play games like these. It's also so much more fun to talk to each other about progress everyones making etc

[@Dr.AvenVon]

then you are the mionority. the souls fanbase is really bad when it comes to recommending their holy games to other people

[@saphironkindris]

As someone that loves souls games to the point of them being my favourite kind of game, and hated breath of the wild to the point of considering it probably one of my 10 worst AAA games of the last decade, I still don't know if I should buy Elden Ring.

[@Eryk024]

I love how I can just TELL where I am and am not supposed to be. Going straight to Margit before doing any exploring really was a wake up call to not expect what I had before with other games. I can say with zero shame that I gave up fighting Margit until I cleared a good chunck of Limgrave.

[@gator3962]

wait until you're near the end and get one shot by some bosses with 50 vit

[@lum0x159]

@@gator3962 i am looking at you malenia

[@cherryrook8684]

No shame in fighting smart, why smash your head into a wall and lose even more braincells ?

[@gator3962]

@@lum0x159 there's a couple of encounters like that. in previous games i had to go into NG5 or 6 on lvl 100 to get one shot by stuff, idk how to feel about this.

[@lum0x159]

@@gator3962 i actually like that a bit so that i cant just steamroll through bosses and have to pay attention to certain moves

[@jacobbaush8641]

As a souls player i decided to bash my head against a wall to beat Margit without exploring much of the open world, and it took me many tries. But i don’t hold that against the game, it’s clearly communicating that you can explore and do more before fighting him to make it easier, i just didn’t do that, because i, like many of us, am a masochist.

[@drunkennephilim2995]

Seeing Asmongolds growth from the screaming frustrated rage at souls the first time he played one to this level of understanding and mindset is honestly great.

[@sh-theel]

i havent watched him in ages , im impressed with his change, keep it up

[@jimz1024]

This

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

I whole heartedly think that him talking about filters is stupid. He literally is just saying that the game should be more player friendly when it was never meant to be a friendly game. Along with that the tutorial that you get in the beginning is full proof except to those who don’t read or go there. Your first boss is literally a cake walk. You play you learn.

[@zel9061]

@@Sorry-Sir_butNah I was persistent to beat the first boss without summons or help. People don't understand that in a souls game, you need to get good, or you'll be a detriment to everyone who helps you or you try to help. Like, it's ok to suck. It's ok to get your butt handed to you multiple times. It's going to be hard, but people rage and just start cheesing bosses or ragging on Twitter or reddit instead of making actual progress. This has been a problem way before elden ring

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

@@zel9061 yeah that is true but at the same time. This game blew up bigger than anyone of their other games. And with little kids all the way to old people playing it , it has a big community now. I just don’t understand why perfect the souls formula and then completely break it down piece by piece.

[@retrocny5625]

The game tries to teach you at the very beginning that it wants you to explore and not feel beholden to taking a linear path. The tree sentinel 100 yards from where you spawn at is the first lesson. Chances are you got your ass kicked by him and had to leave and come back after getting a few levels. I totally understand that with games like this, sometimes people prefer having a set boss order and path you need to follow. I mean when I first started playing, it was pretty overwhelming and I actually looked online to see if anyone had published a sort of "standardized boss order" just so I had some idea of where I should go and when. I was playing on day 1 so no one really had that info out yet, but I managed just fine on my own and I'm glad I did.

[@rainyyclouds]

@@kaytee7607 or anyone really as long as you get your mount, beat him first try on horseback

[@Egoryotu]

@@rainyyclouds wait... So you DON'T get the horse from the guy RIDING THE HORSE? FUCK man. As of writing this i have 2:30hr of time WASTED on something i DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO. "why did you think the horse comes from him?" because from the gameplay I've seen the horse LITERALLY LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE A GHOST. So i figured "ok. I kill him, get the horse and explore." very misleading. 1/10 ign (jk tho)

[@raziel3099]

@@rainyyclouds mount isn't needed. i found it was easier to beat him on ground.

[@awesomesauce4758]

@@raziel3099 same you don't need the mount to take him out. Took me a minute but he's basically the Gundyr/pursuer of Elden Ring. Basic mount attacks and a good amount of predictable charged attacks. Yeah he does do a good bit of damage at the start since he can basically 2-3 shot but his first phase isn't exactly hard to dodge (if you have magic you have a pretty good advantage in-between his attacks too). Second phase is all about getting his shield attacks down and dodging that. All in all a nice boss to start with and learn.

[@raziel3099]

@@awesomesauce4758 agreed

[@Beriorn]

No matter how good you think you're getting at Elden Ring, the game always has a surprise in store for you. Just now I was getting the hang of fighting dudes on horseback. I was getting pretty good at it, fighting them without taking a hit. I was feeling really good about myself... and then a black knight with his Nazgul looking horse jumped the fuck out of nowhere and pancaked me and my horse in a single blow. I wasn't even mad. Bravo, Elden Ring.

[@Gghosty]

Exact same experience! Scared the shit out of me 🤣

[@DanielJBlackwood]

That boss actually made me jump. He came out of nowhere lmao.

[@s7edgekat610]

Mme too but ofcourse it made me bad when suddenly a boss thrashes me because I don't have enough go.... This is those grindy games which if it was not from software ppl would rate as 5/10...

[@Fidelio42]

Game just released and people are already quit sadge

[@steel5897]

@Helmut Salvatore people like him are basically braindead, don't bother interacting. Just feel pity about their inability to enjoy good things and move on.

[@mjkuhnke]

I think he's a bit harder on purpose to make you back off and explore a little. If you just look around limgrave a bit theres so many upgrades and even an item you can use to chain margitt to the ground for basically a free kill Him pushing you back is the game teaching you to explore a bit... Just no one realizes it. The game world is so packed with stuff too. Feels like 30 seconds in any direction drops you into a new boss or ruins or dungeon or event. I hate open world and this is probably my new favorite game

[@devonian0590]

When I was exploring a ruin I went into a dungeon and I found a whetstone knife and storm stomp or whatever. But idk how to use it, but I do know it's very useful and I got it for free basically, just had to fight some enemies on the surface

[@infinitechibi1496]

@@devonian0590 oh yea I know exactly where you're talking about. That knife is used to attach ashes of war to a weapon and replace it's skill thingy with whatever skill is on that ash of war. Don't underestimate the ashes, they can be very good if you know how to use them properly. I know you can also use ashes to change the stat scaling on a weapon to make it work better for whatever stat spread/build you're using. edit: There's also a map fragment up above on this small glowing pillar in the middle area (the path going straight through the ruins) make sure to grab that also, should make that area of the world easier to explore cus you can see what's on the map. Also that annoying lance/shield dude, (I'm sure you know who I'm talking bout) is way easier with a horse, bait him to attack, dodge with the horse, circle round, hit him in the back/run past and catch him with your weapon, turn super quick, let go of the charge, hit him hard. Rinse repeat. Dead.

[@devonian0590]

@@infinitechibi1496 ah yes, I killed him already. And all the bosses in limgrave just about. Also I'm a t castle morne

[@infinitechibi1496]

@@devonian0590 that's good to hear, I've only just recently starting playing myself so I hope to catch up eventually.

[@devonian0590]

@@infinitechibi1496 I've spen 14 hours in the first area of the game ngl. Found some pretty cool things

[@Metallijosh100]

I feel like this video / rant is a bit misleading because Steam right now is on like a 60% ratings, but it's nothing to do with the open world being boring or anything like Summit is complaining about, it's because of the FPS / PC bad port / settings / performance. That's way more important and relevant to complain about.

[@DrunkenLizard]

The mixed reviews are the reason I'll be waiting to purchase. Also apparently mouse and keyboard are useless according to those reviews.

[@crazybeatrice4555]

@@DrunkenLizard I've had no issues with mouse and keyboard so far

[@gunkid6368]

i bought it on ps4 runs fine

[@nicholaes5395]

I mean, that could be *a* reason why it's getting mixed reviews but that might not be *the* reason it's getting mixed reviews. It probably isn't misleading at all some people might not like the game, and that's fine. Reviews aren't a set law that you will/will not like a game.

[@thehanseman2056]

@@DrunkenLizard 8 hours in with mouse and keyboard and it is fine for me, a bit time is needed to get used to it, but I have seen way worse control schemes.

[@KrpticUnknown]

I had a tougher time fighting the tree sentinel on foot fresh out of the character creator than margit. To the point where margit seemed much more manageable and telegraphed. Is it just me?

[@Catffeine_Cafe]

Yes because you're supposed to fight tree sentinel once you get the horse lol

[@bnkz]

YOOO KRPTIC!! YOUR MUSIC IS 🔥🔥🔥

[@justingraton17]

Use the horse

[@TrueBlaze_]

Honestly, though, I'm still stuck on Margit and I already beat the horse guy because there's one move that's super choreographed and punishable. For Margit, I feel like the only opening takes eons to happen, and even then, the window is unbelievably small. I may be new to the souls-borne series, but I can understand that I am suffering because I lack the intelligence to figure out how to beat him.

[@biggiecheese2004]

@@TrueBlaze_ get poison grease and use the jellyfish summon. you can also get margits shackle to freeze him two times in his phase 1

[@RocksonPlaysGames]

Personally I spent two hours figuring out how to beat him with very little gear. Was extremely tough but the satisfaction when beating him so early in the play through is amazing.

[@andrewcurtin7003]

I sadly had to summon but even then it was close.

[@huntertankersley6491]

This is the satisfaction of beating bosses in the older games. It was a grind, and very frustrating at times, but the satisfaction of winning was the best. This games just doesn't have that, feels way too easy

[@damonhillier2293]

@@huntertankersley6491 The game tries to ket players take it at their own pace, I feel. You can make the game as challenging or easy as you like, because the option of exploring and growing more powerful is always an available alternative.

[@Justvchchbdb]

I fought Margit on day one, 2-3 hours in and got wrecked, that being said I learned his attack patterns and adjusted accordingly, beat him on the second try on the next day right after starting the game

[@raziel3099]

I used an npc summon at the door and jellyfish to fight him. I had actually done , most likely, the entire first continent before i got to him which was 8 hours of playtime. Got very strong and beat him first try. piece of cake.

[@semajjajames3540]

I I don’t buy this game expecting to be able to go through the game and never die in one go. I love how hard it is. I like being lost and just finding new things. This game is great.

[@alekesam]

I'll take high difficulty if the gameplay isn't repetitive. How's the combat in this game? Fighting styles etc. Like are there multiple builds to play in diff playthroughs?

[@mingQWERTY]

@@alekesam Unfortunately you can't really change builds throughout one playthrough, well, at least not until like late-mid game. You have to get an idea of which build you want to do. However Elden Ring differs from the rest of Soulsborne as there are so many more options now.

[@alekesam]

@@mingQWERTY Yeah that's what I meant. Are there enough builds to warrant playing the game multiple times? Like one build for one playthru and a completely different build for another playthru.

[@mingQWERTY]

@@alekesam Yes. You can go with a full strength build, a full dex build, a quality build with those 2 or a tank for melee. If you want casters you can go full int or fai or both I believe. But the best part is that unlike DS3 you can finally do a caster-melee hybrid build. Strength + faith for example and etc. If you are more of a weapon guy there are even varieties of weapon from daggers to bleed weapons to colossal greatswords

[@alekesam]

@@mingQWERTY Oooooouuuuuu...yeah, that's what I'm talking about! Thanks! I'll give any OW game a chance, especially if it has character create, I just needed to know what the gameplay is like.

[@schweinner]

i quite agree with asmon in this, if you never really experienced these type of grindy, rpg, open world games you probably wont really enjoy it becouse you get overwhelmed with everything

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

This is the equivalent of hating spice then going to an indian restaurent ordering curry and being mad cuz it was too spicy lmao

[@R3gga3SharkYT]

same with all games these days people get hyped for something the game never was to begin with then hoes mad

[@Vinclum]

You you're delusional if you think Elden Ring does a god job being an open world game. It does almost everything wrong that this genre needs to be enjoyable.

[@NobleVagabond2552]

@@Vinclum are you trolling or just really stupid?

[@LiveLXStudios]

Alternatively, people who are used to it ignore the elements that make it not fun. In the same way WoW still has people playing daily. Goes both ways.

[@liamwinkworth9939]

Anyone else remember when gundyr was the "hardest thing ever"? Considering this is a open world game where the entire of limgrave is the starting area people trying to rush into the castle should be getting their ass handed to them. Fighting margit would be like rushing to abyss watchers before you fight gundyr.

[@themadmanescaped1]

Gundyr was too easy. I don't understand why people complained about a lot of those bosses in DS3. Only ones I actually struggled with are Gael, Soul of Cinder, Midir, and Nameless King.

[@R.E.-Gato]

Exactly! Who tf is fighting Margit right out of the gates?? Why not go explore and get strong first? I don’t get it

[@themadmanescaped1]

@@R.E.-Gato I beat Margit at level 15 lol I started as a Wretch.

[@R.E.-Gato]

@@themadmanescaped1 wasn’t replying to you, however, you’re making my point. You didn’t fight him at level 1, naked, with nothing but a nice club, right? You went and explored a bit, and then you clapped them cheeks! It’s amazing to me how people can think this game is hard when all it takes is a little preparation and a little time to git gud. Am I way off here?

[@themadmanescaped1]

@@R.E.-Gato yeah I got ported to Sellia mine from a warp chest and didn't figure out that I could actually teleport around until riding my way back to The First Step. I followed the road and passed a dragon, and kept going until I eventually hit Summonwater. The boss seemed weak af so I farmed for a Longsword and beat it. Then I used his summon spell to beat Margit.

[@alanstringer.]

I saw a guy say "it's just Dark Souls with the walls pushed further away" and I lol'd... then I played the game and realized just how correct he was.

[@glamskinjoe2300]

Without spoiling, there is an item that actually helps with the fight against Margit. The game just doesn't tell you that. When it comes down to it, Souls games are about going back to bosses once you feel ready. But in Elden Ring's case, it's about exploring the map and discovering things until you're ready to face the boss again. You get rewarded for your exploration, not for how quickly you can kill a boss.

[@brandenbran]

Except I ruined that chance on accident along with a bunch of other nice things because I simply didn’t know that I shouldn’t have done what I did

[@PogU_4Life]

What is the item?

[@jacobbrown1004]

I was soo happy when I found that boss with the item man how great

[@jiger2396]

Too bad Souls games arent about actual difficulty instead of manufactured gates, you kids would call SF2 Turbo racist because you are worse at it than white people

[@PogU_4Life]

@@jacobbrown1004 what is the item?

[@dayanson6920]

I love that some people are hype train bandwagoning this game and then are mad cus its complicated and unforgiving in some instances. Its a dark souls game, which has a mythology around it of being hard and unforgiving. Im sure everyone who is playing it has heard of how hard the game will or should be. Complaining about something you know before you go in is just looking for an excuse.

[@ryanstanley7221]

Dude right? People just want easy mode games

[@darrellgainer6966]

@@JohnDavidSullivan not to be mean but that’s still your problem from software is known to be hard

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

@Adrian Shephard (and darrell) I deleted my comment because I realised it sounded wrong (like an excuse) and I didn't want people to come after me in the comments. So thanks. what I meant to say was how my HFA affects me - I'm just not good at losing and I lose patience. I accept that's my problem and I need to deal with that. I don't generally suck at games, but I do lose my cool easily. I know From Software's games are hard - I just was a bit optimistic than perhaps I should have been - and I guess that is also on me. will have another go when I've calmed down

[@Iamkrogan07]

Soulsborne don’t forget bloodborne but yep I agree

[@darrellgainer6966]

@@JohnDavidSullivan oh ok I understand where you coming from

[@thynErro]

Being able to explore the open world is a genius way to let new players and casuals to build their characters to a point where they can take the main bosses on. It makes the game a lot more accessible in a smarter way than just throwing in a gaming journalist mode in that just fudges the game's numbers a bit.

[@nathantower5565]

The biggest game design flaw is that they sit there and tell you to go to bosses you have no chance of beating. There's no series of bosses that get harder over time that lead up to the important bosses. Instead of the general formula which would still be completely usable in the open world they threw it all away and made a wander fest that a ton of people don't like.

[@mello6311]

@@nathantower5565 What are you talking about dude? You're making it sound like the game gets in your face and says "GO FIGHT THE MAIN BOSS YOU COWARD DO IT NOW RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING" the game gives you an almost missable way of telling you where to go if you want to take on the main bosses. Key word being *if* you want to. The game has tons of bosses littered around that vary in difficulty and you can tell how difficult a boss will be based on the mobs surrounding it. It's not some mystery to figure out how bosses work. Can you fight all the mobs leading up to a boss relatively easily with little to no health loss? Then you're gonna be able to handle the boss. Is there some grinding if you want to be able to fight bosses properly and take them on without getting your shit pushed in on 2 seconds? Yea, but the other games had that too. But you can easily wipe the first 3 or so side bosses you can encounter with starting gear and skills, (aside from Tree Sentinel) if you have the gameplay down. As for the "wander fest a ton of people don't like" I have hardly seen anyone complain about the open world aspect, considering you can't move 5 feet in any direction a majority of the time without bumping into enemies. Sure sometimes there are areas where there isn't a whole lot going on but I guarantee if they did what you wanted and placed enemies every few feet like the og games, people would hate it far more than you're claiming cuz it would be totally unfair and a slog.

[@BillClinton228]

I'm an edgy teenager and the hardest thing I've ever had to do is convince my mommy to buy me a PS5... so I only play Souls games because I like bragging to my friends that I beat a difficult boss which means I'm better than them.

[@nathantower5565]

@@mello6311 I'm not even gonna read half that rage paragraph since you're immediately wrong off the bat. The game literally points you at Margit and the entire path there is filled with slightly stronger tutorial enemies so it's pretty clear that's what you're supposed to do especially since deviating runs you straight into enemies way harder than the ones on the path to Margit.

[@mello6311]

@@nathantower5565 If you aren't even gonna bother reading the whole thing and saying I'm raging why bother responding tho? Like dude, to even get to Stormveil Castle you have to go through the Gate that's behind the big enemy camp and there's a giant that jumps down along with archers that can wreck you. It's a pretty obvious way of the game saying "If you can't beat these guys you aren't gonna make it past here." Now of course you can run past and avoid them but at that point that's the player's fault for ignoring such a potent warning. But idek why I bothered typing this out since you're just gonna claim I'm raging again and not read it.

[@RobSomeone]

This is the most relaxing Fromsoft game yet, I think. Even though the battle pacing is about the same, you get these open world luls that are actually genuinely relaxing. I've never taken it so easy in a From games before.

[@RoyalMudcrab]

Then Leyndell happens and you realize the Endgame is bullshit.

[@wyvernslayer4530]

It's not at all. The only people who day this are the ones who use rivers and magic

[@Wqqds1]

This is my first souls game ever, I am already hooked. Every boss fight victory feels like I won the lottery, game is hard but I’m getting better as time goes on

[@aeriagloris4211]

When you're done please go play dark souls 3, you'll thank me

[@gobble-gumlord1146]

@@aeriagloris4211 dark souls 3 and blood borne are fire af

[@nathanklemick8351]

It saddens me that this is people's first souls game :( you have missed out on some amazing souls games.

[@-TonytheArtist]

@@nathanklemick8351 he can just go back and play them

[@RecluseBootsy]

In the same boat. And i'm loving being without a paddle. 🤣

[@TheTideKing004]

I feel like elden ring is the true vision of what from software wanted to give us. It feels like a true adventure. People don't take the time to explore, get stronger and get better gear which is why they rage quit. I beat margin on my second attempt because I took a second back and decided I'd get stronger

[@joshaqy]

Which would be sad bcos they really threw level design out the window for this one

[@parnthesis]

@@joshaqy that’s the thing, it’s made by the same company but it’s not trying to be bloodborne or dark souls it’s an open world game there isn’t a main focus on level design. The environment is beautiful and complex but the map can’t be described as levels because it’s open world, and you can go anywhere at any time.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@parnthesis However the legacy dungeons are basically soul levels with how big they are. The catacombs and mines are the exact same assets wise but they each have a different thing going on.

[@TheTideKing004]

@@joshaqy each portion of the map beyond limgrave is very different. You just can't see the forest for the trees so to speak because of its open world nature. The best tip I could give anyone playing this is that when your told to go to stormveil go there and fight margit to gauge his strength, then go explore the starting region you are in and gather your strength until you feel like your confident in your ability to get past him comfortably because Godfrey will stomp you if you are stagnant with your growth. There are 20 bosses you can face before you even get to stormveil Castle so you should find them and do them first.

[@adrianks47]

I think that's the complaint here. The game tells you to go straight to margit, when instead you should be doing other stuff first. The game should have just let you stumble upon margit by sheer exploration instead of having an arrow on the map pointing at him.

[@Canadioryan]

Elden Ring is my first experience with a soul-like game and honestly I'm loving every second of it. I think having the open world is what attracted me more to the games as opposed to the routes of the other souls games. It feels great to be able to explore and take drastically different choices than most other players

[@Johnny.bar99]

Welcome to Hell...I mean community.. :)

[@dribblepi5554]

Welcome but you need to really try dark souls :)

[@manymaria1115]

Play Bloodborne

[@KILLERMAIN-hf2vn]

Ive played all ds games and love getting my ass handed .i was ds1 vet and can solo ds2 and bloodborn but sekrio wont lie hardest one. Ever played.I cant even beat frist boss lmao . then in elden ring just been roaming around and haveing fun geting stuff and seeing sercets I bet some dont know. like little guy that turn into 30 foot were wolf when attack him and 1 hit kill ur ass lol no joke I see this little guy and like oh just another day in paridise then boom I run and did like wtf.

[@mml1426]

It’s total garbage compared to Ghost of Tsushima

[@Couldnotexplain]

I think FromSoft going mainstream was bound to cause “some players” to struggle. Idk if their games are for everyone to be honest. I do think it’s cool that people are getting the opportunity to try at least though. RIP to all the newbie tarnished

[@notmisterepicface4308]

I think with Margit and the Tree Knight, it’s From software trying to teach you to move on or come back to this later once you get stronger. I was too stubborn to move past the tree Knight, but I met people who said they left and came back once they were at a higher level and it became so much easier. Edit: Ornstein and Smough was one of the first boss of their respective game and it was hard as shit. The game just came out, let people learn it and then give your more educated opinion.

[@aikidodude05]

well honestly the issues is from softwere has become such a big name that were are geting people who never played souls games before so they are approaching everything wrong I beat margr with 9 levels my sword upgraded i think two times and only the starting gift of a extra flask for and upgrade.... I still beat marg in about 10 tries because instead of just blinding throwing myself at the boss, threw down my summon mark and piggy backed of other people helping them and studding the how they were handling the fight. quickly learn Marg can be staggered. brought the npc summon and wolf back and pretty much keep Marg constantly harried.

[@Bananaman-yw4uq]

What o&s isn’t the first boss in ds1 5th or 6th depending on your path

[@tellurianapostle]

People are just stubborn

[@iansanders283]

I love elden ring but imagine O and S in DS1 and Pontiff in DS3 as your first bosses

[@RJMacReady1]

What? O&S isnt the first boss?

[@joedatius]

These games including Elden Ring are actually very smart with how it shows the player what is feasible without forcing it on them. when exploring Limgrave you find enemies and materials that suite your level and as you move to other areas enemies become increasingly more challenging along with the rewards becoming bigger. if you go farther east and hit an enemy and barely do any damage and get alot of runes then thats a clear sign as a player that this place out of your league but it also doesn't force you to leave or block its location. this allows for player freedom while creating a natural course of progression. Having trouble with Margit? its not a filter its just a natural point to show what is waiting for you past that point in the castle. if you're barely doing damage then your weapon might need to be upgraded and you can also get more levels by fighting dungeon bosses. still need some help? well then there is always summons and co-op.

[@joshuakim5240]

Don't forget all of the suicide loot run shenanigans. If an item has a blue glow, i just rush to grab that mofo after spending my runes to die and lose basically nothing, while gaining the shiny object. It's hilarious how much strong stuff you can get like this with the infamous Caelid trap chest, including Scarlet Rot infliction tools to cheese the hell out of Margit.

[@GruppeSechs]

That's one of the things I love about Souls games, even if I'm not jumping on the hype train for Elden Ring. I hate, hate, hate the prevalence of "open world" and crafting as selling points. But yeah, I do like when games don't gatekeep content and just let you get your ass handed to you instead. It allows for risk versus reward gameplay and sequence breaking for adventurous people who just go in a direction without thinking about the pacing.

[@lolspartain]

@@GruppeSechs crafting is barely a part of this game tbf. I haven't found myself crafting anything and im like 40+ hours deep level 80 lol

[@connorbraithwaite]

every boss can be beaten while undergeared, just learn the movesets. That' s the game. The timesink is getting better mechanically at each boss; deciding to spend time getting a stronger character/better gear is just a decision you can make if you want to make the bosses easier on yourself.

[@Swipey900]

this game tells you NOTHING of how difficult enemies are.... the grind to even have fun is rtarded, not worth 70 dollars for sure

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

I beat the second main dungeon and Margit was the hardest required boss so far. If your stuck on him just do other stuff then come back when your stronger. He’s meant to encourage the player to not brute force their way through.

[@andrewohara2146]

The uchigatana can be found (if ur not on samurai build) before fighting him, and the bleed literally takes 1/5 of his health per tic. So yeah for experienced souls players I feel like it’s super easy, just challenging to learn the new mechanics. But for new souls players, expecting the new form of games made today where it’s easy for everyone to play, elden ring is gonna punish tf out of people

[@moneyarr]

Just parry him scrub

[@LeuvisTheLynx]

the commend above you said he kept going and fighting him for about 6-7 hours depsite dying alot and being low leveled he kept going and defeated it...

[@Levixne]

i fucked Margit up with Carian slicer alone at like level 20ish, but godrick was straight up impossible for me, I left and came back with a laser and fucking erased him

[@LeuvisTheLynx]

@@Levixne Nice! You control what you wanna do and how you want to approach everything. Which is really fucken amazing.

[@bisforberries7930]

Margit is comparable to dragonslayer armour imo. He telegraphs heavily, doesn't have that many attacks, and summons make every boss fight 10x easier.

[@vazazell5967]

Dragonslayer is billion times easier

[@bisforberries7930]

@Vazazell I dunno about that.

[@spacecowboy6019]

100% agree with you that there is already an easy mode built into the game through mechanics, you learn to use different things to make it easier or harder for yourself, which is really good game design instead of bloating health pools and damage numbers with different difficulty options

[@fudgepacker6990]

Shuddup who asked

[@fig513]

@@fudgepacker6990 I am the one who asked.

[@DraknorDragor]

@@fudgepacker6990 I am the one who asked.

[@mr.senpai4679]

@@fig513 I also, asked put er there brother 🤚

[@wayfa13]

@@fudgepacker6990 I did, thanks for asking

[@davidlattanzi6672]

I came into this game having never played a souls game. I realized how crazy hard this game was almost immediately. The learning difficulty is through the roof and I probably threw myself at bosses 50-100 times. But I’ve gotten better, I’ve learned mechanics, and I didn’t give up (I’m not wasting $60). I went and killed a bunch of secondary bosses and leveled up a shit ton to fight margit. I was dying all the time but now that I know how to play, it’s easier and I’m having a shitload of fun. I now have like 30 hours

[@jdennis867]

margit is doable even if u didn't grind lv. i think i was under lv 20 when i fought him. took me 5 hrs to beat him but at least i did it. but for reference i played all soul games except dark soul 2, i play seikiro, bloodborn and nioh as well.

[@DanielCosta-zp6jl]

@@jdennis867 you are a veteran that makes all difference, your brain is train to complex learning challenges thanks to previous games.

[@jdennis867]

@@DanielCosta-zp6jl fair enough. I beat all of those in a single yr (2018). Sekiro was my first fromsoftware game and after I had a hell of a time beating it, I became addicted to hard games so I went back to play the other games

[@cyan_2169]

I feel you. I ended up fighting Margit at level 16 with the first greatsword you find but it took me forever to beat. Had fun the whole time though.

[@asparagusoffice]

the lack of a "I'm not wasting $60" mindset is holding a lot of people back here

[@BetterThanUnson]

When I beat Margit, I felt like it was equivalent to walking into the dancer fight accidentally on your first run

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

Margit and Scion were so strong, they felt like a mid-end game dark souls boss.

[@elpsykoongro5379]

At least you didn’t got teleported to the zone full of toxic waste and a mine in which there is a boss that kills you in a hit at base level

[@Creedio90]

new to the souls series i see

[@mikeshy6456]

@@elpsykoongro5379 I couldn’t stop smiling when that happened, I love the fact that I got got, it really felt like the game saying “look how far you have to go”

[@guazazqui788]

@@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065 Dancer was always easy for me. Margit and especially Godrick were significantly harder for me for sure. Delayed attacks are my downfall

[@lordteensie6156]

I think the issue with Margit is that the game bamboozles you into rushing straight for him. One of the first things you're told by npcs is to follow the grace guidance and the first ones you find point right at him. I eventually realized that Stormveil was just harder than my character could handle yet and that it was a skeletons from dark souls 1 moment, but I don't think it's my fault that the game aimed me at Margit instead of south where you're really should be going first.

[@TacticalDingus]

Yeah you do run into him pretty quick if that's your main objective. He beat my ass plenty of times. I worked my way south and did a lot of content and came back. Got the warewolf 2h sword, leveled on the giants in east limgrave. Days later I came back and beat his ass after a few trys was very rewarding

[@jeremybot1]

necro but that's entirely the point. you're told grace can lead you to your death by Varre, and upon hitting that wall the game is indirectly telling you to explore. same lesson the tree sentinel teaches

[@robderka]

Filters have always been a feature of souls games. I spent hours and hours beating Taurus demon for the first time. I hit Margit, died a few times, and realized it would be better to power up a bit. There's no ego. The filters make you seek leveling and exploring necessary mechanics. There's so much content to explore before Margit.

[@Darkslayer1534]

what content? this shit is boring

[@TheDefiledShell]

@@Darkslayer1534 what the hell are you gonna do? Throw your Doritos at them? Sit back down in your moms computer chair and stfu. You’ve been commenting garbage all over the place.

[@TheAcphytum]

I think you misunderstand the concept of "filters" as he puts it, it is supposed to be there to challenge you but as a "filter" it's function it's to get rid of players with lesser skill and/or new players, but games shouldn't try to filter those types of players out, players are the lifeblood of games and new blood is necessary to keep games alive, no one is saying 'make it easier' just give the players the tools and understanding of the game necessary to beat it, instead of being a cryptic mess.

[@itzrezo8621]

no theres definetly a ego its all over the community

[@robderka]

@@TheAcphytum I guess my issue with that is that I don't perceive it any differently than Taurus demon for a new player. I remember spending literally 10 hours in the exact same area, looking up ways to beat it. DS1 was my 1st game. This game at least gives you other stuff to go do. You should learn pretty quickly to identify something you can't handle and go elsewhere. That's less of a filter than a non-open world linear game to me. There are other options now.

[@RoninBlade-ls5ex]

I am actually not surprised. When I fought Margit, it took me almost an hour to realize he has baiting moves when u try to fight him close range, (I’m starting to think that the AI on these bosses are a lot smarter in Elden ring), when I was analyzing his patterns, if u dodge out of his line of sight during certain attacks, he won’t attack u with anything in his left hand, but once you hit his phase two, you have to back away because he starts using his long sword and hammer and he has great tracking/reach. It took me about an hour and some change to beat, and now I’m at Godrick and I realized I wasn’t beating him anytime soon🥲, now I’m free roaming to find stuff to level up.

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Exactly what he does lol. I have him down but he pulls out those combos SO much when he’s about to die

[@RoninBlade-ls5ex]

@@SandyCheeks1896 yeah man once I hit phase 2, the only thing I did was wait for moves I could guarantee a hit on. Most of the time I was getting 2 hits every 1-2 mins😂. But my patience beat my rage in the end.

[@zaxcybits]

The AI are definitely smarter. You try and do some cheap shit and they react and counter it

[@Kalolui94]

AN HOUR? ._.

[@RoninBlade-ls5ex]

@@Kalolui94 once I recognized the patterns it just became a waiting game of when to strike and not strike.

[@Reac2]

I've just today finished helping people with the boss, took like 1 hour and among lots of failures helped 5 people beat the boss. I highly recommend helping atleast one person beat it after you do, so we get more people past that hurdle. As I've stated in other comments, I personally don't believe it's such a big issue, but I did it just in case I'm wrong, because I'm not THAT convinced of myself. Will propably return to help more later once my build is further along, if I don't outlevel the people trying to beat the boss too much

[@falsetheory5818]

I love doing that in these games.

[@benturner3458]

Lucky for you. I can't even fkng get online on the fromsoft servers. Been offline since I got it

[@Budd631]

But you shouldn’t have to summon anyone. That’s why this doesn’t feel rewarding. I didn’t summon with a pure melee build and called the wolves in once. It’s really rough and I feel like I got lucky. The second boss I had to summon and I’ve never summoned in these games ever. Feels like they made it so You almost have to summon. Idk

[@wsross3178]

@@benturner3458 i just defeat the first story boss today. Personally it would be very hard to do that without phantom & npc summon.

[@benturner3458]

@@wsross3178 oh margit, I haven't even gone anywhere near there yet 😂. Just running around farming runes and building up my dex so I can use the twinblade. What class you running? I should have gone wretch but I went confessor in the end and just upped my vigor to 20 so I didn't get paddled every time I took a boss on 😂

[@tnert115]

Hear me out. It’s okay for people to not like a game, you don’t need to justify why someone is wrong about not liking a game just because you like it.

[@alexvillalobos7137]

I had never played a game like this… my friend told me to fight the sentimental tree at level 0. As a new player… he told me all this stuff and that he beat him so I was convinced that was how your supposed to play the game. It’s hard as fuck but it’s all about skill learning the attacks and beating that guy as a level one…. I spent two days and gave up. Played the next day and found out I could roam around. I struggled then found out I could level up….

[@wafflesmcgallagher934]

Yeah, your friend screwed you

[@cosseybomb]

@@stationorange I laughed

[@anenemystand5582]

Margit beating the shit out of you is supposed to be the lesson. That is the game telling you, "either really learn this fight, or get stronger."

[@hereweare9011]

Well put.

[@otakufro2851]

Souls game have always rewarded you for going out of your way to explore, Elden Ring just cranks it up to 100 and honestly I'm here for it. Like there are so many Summonings or Ashes of War that you can get before Margit that make that fight so much easier and you really just need to be thorough with your exploration

[@darkdeath5550]

I also don't get the "first boss" argument. He is a potential first story MAIN boss who I kicked in the puss first time, without using his key item. He is hard in the sense he has a varied move set, but he isn't a first boss, there are a dozen bosses, hell, I stumbled onto the dragon early, and triggered the trap early, fighting my way thru a higher level area, fighting enemies and bosses, getting stuff. My exploration was rewarded, my inquisition was rewarded, even my multitude of deaths were rewarded by learning move sets of dragons early on. When I came back after 20 hours of exploring and being wowed by the world, I found him, kicked his ass, and did the same for the rest of the area. I enjoyed my deaths, and learned from them, and I don't think some people are, they're just running into a brick wall, wondering why they aren't busting thru like an action hero.

[@ayylmao578]

yeah, it’s really weird. You can make Margit cake if you get all the golden seeds in limgrave and upgrade your weapons and level a bit. That’s what the tree sentinel is supposed to teach you.

[@aikidodude05]

the thing is you dont really need to explore ether I beat Margit with just the wolfs and levels that i had ground off the enemy's in the entrance gate. hell the only seed I had was the starting gift and 9 levels. margit has no chill but the problem is you have all these streamers who have not really played a souls game before and they don't take the time to play how you need to play a souls game which is a combination of greedy and patient. I walked up got the floor wiped with my face. I instantly started throwing down my summon mark so that i could study the boss and see how other players were approaching it and with out risk to myself they get a person to help and I get a free study. In the end it only took me maybe 10 tries.

[@otakufro2851]

@@darkdeath5550 It's cause ppl want to play it like a regular rpg and want to ignore that it's not only a Soulsborne but also open world, you're meant to lose to Margit and than take a step back and explore the world and no matter what class you play you will find something that makes that fight and every fight moving forward easier and after exploring more I realized there was so much stuff I could've grabbed early that would've made him and Godrick easier

[@otakufro2851]

@@aikidodude05 Honestly I think it's so dumb that some people are hell bent on not using the summons, sure they are decent for agro but most of the damage is still coming from you and if you pick the wrong summoning you can still get destroyed by these bosses

[@andros1486]

I killed 4 easier bosses before finally downing Margit, but it was a nice experience. I still have the locations of 2 other bosses that I've found and not even attempted yet as well, and I'm still exploring the castle after Margit right now.

[@FrenziedmerchantisaHomo]

Nice man that's what I did as well downed a couple of bosses leveled up explored these people complaing are fools that expect the same thing everytime

[@TheGhostRonin]

Nice Behemoth pfp

[@shh2936]

Yeah same. If anything , I thought the tree sentinel was also incredibly hard. But the bosses in those little dungeon warhead were really fair. Specifically the pumpkin head was very easy if you use the weapon art. This game definitely rewards exploration thereby forcing you go look around before fighting someone.

[@7mriwantlightning710]

I killed 6 bosses so far. The one at the bottom of the map. That gives the grafed sword was a really fun fight

[@ahrifox2592]

I beat that boss at only lvl of 19 after like hr run fighting him

[@YYuuf]

I'm 70 hours in... and I'm done... for me the most frustrating thing is not knowing where to go or what to do... there is NO indication NONE of what you should be doing.. I've got to a point were I've cleared all the areas I can manage and now everywhere u go I get 2 hit and dead... I have no idea where u should be going or should be doing and it's exhausting. Playing for 3 hours and making ZERO progress ain't fun..

[@Marcus-zt1wh]

I like how the first few bosses (from the Tree Guardian to Margit) teach players that its okay to struggle, die, and avoid bosses and to leave those to get stronger and better at the game first. Elden ring is the first souls game that I've put more than 30 minutes into so far and even I realized that if I can't win yet it's my fault, I either need to improve personally or level my character/gear.

[@oliverjoseph3169]

I think it’s amazing that I can go off and grind runes and levels come back and destroy the bosses in the caves or the main bosses. I’m finding the grind so enjoyable just go and participate in some battles and level up

[@roxxibraxo937]

Markipliar the only reason I made this live stream is for the soul purpose of kicking that stupid horses ass

[@Oldsul]

Dark Souls vet & I definitely snuck past the Tree Guardian till I was a lil more beefed up lmao

[@dandreboode7685]

I will literally try to fight anything if I see it in any souls game and elden ring if I can't do it after a couple tries I go explore always end up finding stuff that helps

[@Rawnchie14]

Yea the mini bosses are nice, teaching mechanics at pace, but unless you're a patient or determined gamer - you're probably going to avoid instead of conquering mini bosses, which if you beat, provide you with more resources to make the game easier.

[@AliTheNerdKing]

I beat Margit while underleveled, he could 1 shot me with his hammer, but I was stubborn and kept at it for about 5 hours until I didn't get hit at all. Once I beat him I felt relieved but also exhausted, after roaming and fighting a few bosses I realized that I was severely underleveled for Margit. Afterwards I began trying to level and haven't had any issues with other bosses with the exception of a few. People need to learn that there are different ways to play a game than what they're used to. Its not entirely the games fault that people are bad or refuse to learn, bosses have set patterns and you can face tank and hope for the best or try to learn the patterns and make it easier for yourself. Many good veterans of souls games learned to do it that way, and it was thru trial and error that I learned. The game didn't necessarily have to tell me because I took a step back and thought to myself "What am I doing wrong that is getting me killed here?"

[@brentbarfuss7900]

Exactly. People feel winging it should always work in life and in games Spoilers: it doesn't

[@kotzer71]

yeah thats good advice till you get to melaina lol

[@AliTheNerdKing]

@@kotzer71 I plan on going after her on my next day off, so I'll see what the deal is

[@kotzer71]

@@AliTheNerdKing good luck and get ready to respect if you are not running bleed or frost

[@lum0x159]

@@kotzer71 tbh radahns swords work really well vs her especially if you stunlock her with mimic tear

[@ghostraider4312]

The bosses in Elden Ring are smarter. They programmed it so it knows what weapon you are using. They also improved the AI to know where it’s expecting you to be. Combine that with a slower movement system. Idk if that’s a good thing. It’s more challenging no doubt.

[@joeherrera8826]

You can say that again some of the bosses even evaded my Glinstone attacks.

[@ghostraider4312]

When the boss sees a bow or ranged weapon they rush at you. If they see a sword they tend to back a bit because they want you to attack and then they’ll do their combo. When they’re about to die they do multiple combos at once.

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

@@damien81981 I hope your parents hype you into giving a good birthday gift but trick you with your dad's shir instead

[@Skaftholu]

Slower movement system? Compared to what?

[@ghostraider4312]

@@SkaftholuDark Souls 3.

[@eggman1586]

I agree with 95% what he said but I have to half disagree with the whole “filter” part. Is is a word used by egotists? Yes. There definitely exists people who wants to feel superior by belittle players, who are struggling and reaching a point of frustration, further by saying something like “lol you just got filtered bro” etc. However I think it’s false to state that devs put in these difficult enemies or bosses to actively “filter” their customers. I believe that any sort of bump along the way of a game is for the devs to encourage the player to learn something different. I sucked so much at games that I actually had trouble with bokoblins in BotW hard mode. I didn’t expect them to be this beefy, regen, or pose a very high risk as a mob. So what do I do? I simply leave them alone and learned along the way to use all the tools and tricks in the bag without having to bash my head against them repeatedly. Same with Margrit for me. Granted this is on a different scale but once I realize that I have no knowledge or the tools to take him on I just opted to leave. I mean it’s not like the game was actively trying to railroad me into fighting him either, no? You had almost full exploration of the world without even beating him. So yeah, I just don’t think Margrit was just there to purposely discourage players into quitting. Also on the side note I don’t think it’s just soulsborne players who have this railroad mentality. I believe it’s the majority of gamers these days. Games lately have been so linear that people automatically expect the game to go step by step to be like the instructions of a manual. So when a game encourages you to try things differently people just assume that it is done out of some malicious intent against the player. And it’s a shame because it just allows the bad actors to run with that false narrative to create a rift between players, and between players and the game it self.

[@VideogamesPang]

I find that whether someone likes open world games or not depends a lot on whether they find exploration to be enjoyable in itself. A lot of people don't and just see roaming around looking for things as being a waste of time, they just want the game to put the content directly in front of them.

[@absolutelybrokengaming6147]

@@solblackguy both of these statements are so dang true, some people don't have patience but with a game like Elden Ring, literally rarely will you just be in an area with nothing but something like DW9 has just a massive space with almost nothing in it.

[@robertedwards5553]

I absolutely love open worlds! This game is absolutely trash. Horrible graffics expected on ps3 NOT NEXT GEN!! I am a die hard Souls fan bit this is trash AF! Why is there so much hype for this?

[@absolutelybrokengaming6147]

@@robertedwards5553 What's trash about it? I've seen this game in as low as 1080p having better graphics than most PS4/Xbone titles out today. And equally as good as most Next gen and PC titles coming out today. If you truly are a diehard fan then as a fellow diehard fan can you explain better what you didn't like about it?

[@williepeterson3318]

@@robertedwards5553 in your opinion

[@Alex07359]

@@robertedwards5553 Nice bait kid, you clearly haven't played a second of it lmaooo

[@latelotus]

Summit is proof open world games have held our hands for years now. Only reason I'm not playing right now is because frame rates drop in the middle of open world boss fights. A patch will fix that tho.

[@wackywackster114]

@@phant0mdummy They know that the game is fucked right now with the stuttering, FPS drops and crashes on their Twitter account. Gonna be awhile for the next patch to come out so we'll just have to get around somehow on the performance or not

[@littlebee7147]

Well, you now get quest markers and stuff. It's helpful for people like me who put down a game and then pick up months later. I mean, it ain't fun exploring a map if it doesn't have anything. I love exploring in current gen Ys games, for example, because there are varied incentives to do so. And that's not even an open world game - it just has a big map.

[@nathannix3217]

I’m pretty sure he just wanted a linear experience or an open world that feels more rewarding for exploring it.

[@G_P333]

Yah game isn’t playable with the stutters for me and I run steady 180-200 fps on most games

[@latelotus]

@@littlebee7147 the reason I say open worl games have held our hand is because they've eliminated environmental awareness from the gamers iteration process. Most AC and Farcry maps are easily navigable if the player uses the landscape as their quest markers. That's what we used to do in games that were pseudo open world, and I found great satisfaction in that.

[@kre8ivegaming679]

I've been playing for 20 hours straight and honestly I don't understand the "empty" world argument there's always items or important things to do or find in every corner. After 15 hours i did start feeling a need for direction its alot to explore its overwhelming. Also I played it like a souls game, souls games are linear but have always rewarded people for exploring so any souls fans hating on this game were probably ass at it.

[@raiduay7060]

Its more excuses than arguments, the dude of the clips was always blaming the game and wasnt focusing on how to get better by learning from his mistakes, its very obvious since the dude is always angry no matter what, if he doesnt find stuff he is mad and when he does find stuff he gets pissed off anyway

[@Mister-nu6ms]

yeah the worlds anything but empty. no one can tell me the games empty when their is genuinely a surprise to be found every two steps

[@shuheihisagi6689]

@@zeening Get good

[@Healer0079a]

@@zeening Git gud I guess?

[@MalphasMikaelson]

I mean I'm enjoying it but there are a lot of open areas that you just quickly run around with your horse to find some new content stuff. I disagree that you find important items often unless you think of crafting items as important. Like the area you see once you leave the starting cave where the Tree Sentinel is. That same area you see every in the world, just so many very similar looking areas. This is completely different from their other games. Even in Bloodborne which is quite dark/black you still always knew that you found a new spot, sometimes I'm running around on my horse and I think that I ran back to where I came from because it looks the same. Of course there are new areas but there isn't enough variation imo. RDR2 is open world and has different problems but I thought their world building was excellent I think this is definitely a weak point in Elden Ring. Copy/paste dungeons, copy/paste animations, copy/paste weapons. It's just a little bit sad. I expected a fully unique experience like Sekiro. Instead we got Dark Souls 4 Open World edition. I enjoy the game but I rate it the lowest of their Souls like games.

[@grimkxdo]

People bought Elden Ring expecting it to be a game you didn’t have to put a lot into but if you want to experience the game and have a good time exploration is a must or you’ll never access other weapons , talisman, craftables , and even secrets that can help with some bosses . People fail to realize this game is open world for the main reason for allowing you to leave one place and get stronger if you are struggling . Like for instance there’s a whole item that can lock Margit down for like 3 seconds and can be used twice in the fight . Most people never come across it because once they get to Margit they think the only two things they can do is fight him to proceed or fight the tree spirit when both can be skipped for a long ass time .

[@UberSeamus]

Havnt played Elden Ring, but from what I’ve seen of gameplay, it’s exactly what everyone should have expected. Not sure why some people are so surprised pikachu about it

[@Lutasiren]

TRUE, 10/10 from media, 60% positive from players is exactly what everyone should expect in this modern age of gaming.

[@fakeblue8985]

@Juan yet people are like “hurr durr it’s just like cyberpunk”

[@matguimond92]

@@fakeblue8985 oh really can I toggle my characters nips on and off in the customization menu?

[@Lutasiren]

@Juan so did cyberpunk reviewers, and so did cd project red. Besides, you are saying as if the game runs perfectly on ps5.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@Juan Or just don't waste time in an open world game and play a set of unique tailored experiences.

[@DavyManners]

I can relate to getting overwhelmed. Sometimes I’ll start a game over as well, because knowing everything about the parts I’ve already done is oddly comforting

[@bruser7770]

In the words of all fromsoftware game enjoyers and the lords of old “ get good scrub”

[@nealnelson6998]

Thats what is fun about new games tho..

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

@@bruser7770 it’s git gud

[@chrisbrucculeri8988]

I e started this game over like 5 times x thinking I’ve been missing something . Nope this game is just trash . I’m all for games being challenging . But for it to be impossible for even some hard core gamers to atleast learn and progress in it .

[@chrisbrucculeri8988]

@@TheeMonkeMan i mean I’ve kinda grown to like the game. But the unresponsive combat and difficulty of these bosses is takes away the fun of it in my opinion .I’m a level 30 and still can’t beat that Margit . 3 times now I was one hit away from killing the dam thing and it kills me which is hella sus as far as it being scripted / rigged at times hi h is definitely the case. It’s a good game but extremely overhyped. . I’m so over this first level at this point but can’t beat that dam boss . Leveling up gets hella Boring. Story is not existent for me. Have no idea what’s going on there. It’s a good game. But the hype and crazy perfect 10 reviews that it got is just ridiculous . It’s not a masterpiece . 8.5 -9 tops for me . Plenty of things keeping it from being considering a masterpiece or even near perfect .

[@kylesizemore2751]

It always absolutely blows my mind when people complain about difficulty in these games. This game has more difficulty sliders than any other souls game ever made. The starting class and gift options are actually useful magic is broken in pve just like always You can summon other players and the game becomes horrendously easy You can summon npc's with ash who are better than player summons once upgraded. You can always explore and become over leveled and just come back later. There is never a point where you're forced to win a fight. The tedious walk of shame back to the boss has been completely removed with checkpoints. Bows have actually been made pretty strong with weapon arts and you can even start with one. Armor has been made incredibly effective when optimized so the best answer isn't necessarily to just be naked and roll better. Guard counters were added so you can be rewarded for turtling and you can even start with a 100% phys mitigation shield. This game is at all points precisely as hard as you want to make it for yourself. At every step of the way you choose not just how hard you want it to be, but also in what ways it's difficult. You don't have to engage with any of those systems and you'll have a hard time but whenever you struggle you can employ any number of them to succeed.

[@gordons-alive4940]

It doesn't blow my mind, mainly because new players might not know how to take advantage of those things fully. I know its not complicated, but new players might overlook things that seem kind of obvious. That said, I agree. Summon help. Play a magic user. There's a lot of ways to make the game easier.

[@kylesizemore2751]

@@gordons-alive4940 it's kindof staggering to think there are people who could skip all of these mechanics. They should be using at least one by accident. Maybe the combat tutorial at the beginning should be mandatory because I suppose you could walk past it. That one dude playing his first souls game offline as a bandit that walked past all the good dex weapons and doesn't know how to use ashes or shields with a dagger that doesn't cause bleed and no bow is probably having a bad time I guess.

[@robertgray3710]

Yep and you can rarely get invaded against your will

[@robertgray3710]

Like the gamer I am I go with no shield and low poise, damn I really need to level up endurance after hitting lv 50

[@gordons-alive4940]

@@kylesizemore2751 True. I would think even casual, new players should know about summoning, at least. But you have to pay a little bit of attention to know how to do it. I'd look into that if I was stuck on a boss before giving up on the game, but then I'm loving the game so far.

[@Ahicksaf]

I disagree true ego is when people choose to hate the game just because they don't want to put effort into it. Call of duty doesn't have a filter loook what happened to it, assassin's creed doesn't have a filter and I fell asleep while playing it. Not having filters u risk the game becoming lame, it's better to target a specific audience, and open a pathway for casuals to get gud at the game. Summons in Elden Ring easy mode

[@krazysamurai]

i wasn’t even looking for margit until i decided to actually progress the game. i’m mostly shocked that people somehow managed to tunnel vision so hard that they didn’t even think of exploring the massive world all around them. there are ruins and shit every 5 steps, it’s so weird to me.

[@patprem923]

i think the other thing about it is that even if you dont tunnel vision and u explore there’s still no direction for what u should do (lvl farming, combat) especially for the difficulty. The game at least needs teach u SOMETHING. it gives u practically nothing

[@Highs009]

@@patprem923 arent all souls games like that? or are you to used to open world games with markers that tell you where to go and what to do.

[@patprem923]

@@Highs009 yea im used to different open world games but never played souls before. i dont mind the difficulty but in that difficulty the game should at the very least teach you how to play the game. thats just a staple in any kind of game design. for example in sekiro they showed u how to traverse through the game by the time you reached the final boss you literally knew how to use the different skills and parrying etc etc to fight the boss. u were prepared. this game doesnt even do the bare minimum. just drops you in the middle of the map and tells you to do the main story quest. like thats just plain and simple poor game design. no other way about it

[@ecak6124]

@@patprem923 nah being drop and do whatever is the best a game developer can offer

[@krazysamurai]

@@patprem923 even the beloved BOTW doesnt do much except teach the controls and say "destroy ganon" and that is regarded by many as one of the best games of all time. why is elden ring treated differently, just because its in the dark souls style?

[@babywithatank9565]

It took me a bit to realize Elden Ring wasn’t like the other souls game. I wandered around wondering where to go, what to do, and what to kill. Eventually I started treating it more like Skyrim or Breath Of The Wild, and started exploring the open world. It made the experience so much better, and made me realize I had to slow down a bit and grind to become powerful enough to challenge bosses. Normally in souls games I would have the right gear and have the right stats to beat it by the time I got to the boss, but now I’m being forced to go explore the open world which I find amazing.

[@oldthug2309]

It was advertised as an open world dark souls since it was announced lol

[@Digger-Nick]

You're not exploring anything, you're just travelling from dungeon to dungeon.

[@subzu2733]

@@Digger-Nick your not but sure

[@Digger-Nick]

@@subzu2733 Tell me you don't play Elden ring without telling me you don't play Elden ring

[@MrAwEsOmE145770]

When I first bought the game I had no clue it was even a dark souls game, I just heard it was amazing. When I first played it, I hated it and I didn’t play it for like 2 months but I just got REALLY into it the last 2 months. It maybe my one of my favorite games of all time.

[@thomasway0320]

I’m loving Elden Ring even with the frame drops I completely get that open world isn’t for everyone, but come on he knew it’s open world and he still played it for views, for normal people you just don’t play what you don’t like.

[@stannisbaratheon6725]

Nail on the head, he played it for one reason and one reason only then complained when he didn't like it.

[@0Ciju0]

I don't think it's an issue that it's just an open world but rather a dead open world? Or am I mistaken? EDIT: I haven't played the game, I'm just going off Summit reaction lol

[@Timmy2by4]

@@0Ciju0 From what I've seen from all the other reviews, this is the first open world game since Breath of the Wild that is so jam packed with content in the open world that it's almost impossible to do everything.

[@thomasway0320]

@@EggEnjoyer see a few of my friends did a really smart thing when they we’re thinking about playing Elden, they got together and bought DS3 during discount, and if they can get through DS3 they’ll buy Elden ‘Cause Elden Ring is definitely not a beginner friendly game, I agree with Asmon with Margit, they do the guidance thing and basically tell you to head straight to the castle, but compared to other early souls bosses he has long combos, a lot of movement, parry is hard to learn, projectiles and big health pool, if you did it like other souls game did with no summons and no leveling up you are bound to eat shit They expected you to go explore the world and comeback to him when you’ve gotten stronger, but if so what’s with the guidance thing? It really feels like a trap

[@theguyinhd]

@@thomasway0320 I think the guidance is pretty good to have, like you go there, get your ass kicked, but since it's this huge world the game gives you the option to do other things first and come back later. You can do so much shit before Stormveil castle it's insane

[@LEWIS1992]

He's right, 30% of players on PS5 have not beaten Margit (based on the trophies).

[@stahliboi6249]

Summit the kind of gamer that needs the devs to tell him what to do all the time. Actual one trick pony.

[@seanmonday6585]

Summit is just as dumb as DSP

[@cmoney163]

If he didn’t like botw idk why, in a million years, he thought he would like Elden Ring lol

[@spurs_7798]

he needs to git gud or fuck back off to his battle royale kids shit.

[@mojajaja]

At that point, are you even playing the game? Or is IT playing you?

[@fallenhw]

Yeah summit is fucking idiot that’s why I don’t watch him he infuriates me.

[@simplejackonvhs2562]

When you explained how you need to come back to a game, after a few days, was exactly what happened to me with this game. Did a LOT better the second time around 👌

[@Gandalfmandalf]

I remember being a kid and just getting wrecked all afternoon on a boss. Coming back 2 days later end beating it first try. Game fatigue is a thing.

[@MrRafagigapr]

It is very important and this is actually scientifically proven that after doing something several times and then sleeping your brain will naturally memorize the pattern of actions you did and make you do things instinctively without even thinking too much about them, it's what people call playing by feel, souls like games are best enjoyed this way play for a bit get stuck for a while come back next day and repeat until you end the game

[@icandodgebullets7869]

Same thing here when it came to beating Sigrun in God of War

[@xSephironx]

Honestly, Haven't killed marget yet. First time I saw him I got clapped pretty fast, but the game does have ways to help you. Immediately discovering the circle after losing to marget is very useful. I might have given up if I had to kill marget the first time to get to the circle. After I got the hint, I cleared the catacombs, the cave with the beast guy, went east and cleared the castle and now I'm just finishing up with the giant deer boss in siofra well. I'm pretty confident that I can take marget now

[@MannyTheButtsmith]

Story of my playthough so far lol, mapped the whole world, got items, net npcs, finally felt like following story "Foul tarnish- wait... That isnt my boss theme i hear"

[@robertmosley1188]

11:37 Yes, exactly. My first day (6hrs) playing I had a terrible experience. Never knew how to level up (had ~30 sites of grace, but never specifically rested at the one by the bridge giant after unlocking the church grace). Never figured out how to use weapon skills because it kept using my shield skill (the controls to dual wield are not in the tutorial or in the controls, only in the loading screen tips). The first chest I ever opened teleported me to Caelid mines where I lost all my runes (since I couldnt level up) to the bull boss (thought the giant gate was an exit, since all prior bosses had the smoke barrier). And obviously I was traveling this massive map on foot because I was never given a horse. The next day I started a new character and made the decision that this game was not designed to be played without Googling basic mechanics. From then on I had a blast all the way to the end (just finished today).

[@wiggumo]

Which charactaer did you change it to?

[@christopherjones5700]

i cant imagine the horrible experience i might have had if my friend didnt basically explain half the basic shit to me, that being said its nice not having stupid tutorial shit shoved in my face especially for additional playthroughs.

[@pluribusunum2727]

This was always gonna happen. These games have never been for everyone. It’s always had a niche fan base but the game journos hyped it up beyond belief.

[@JButterZJ]

Hyped Up what exactly? The Spot whete summit was actually has nstuff, summit Just doesnt Look cause He IS a moron and thinks Fallout 4 IS a good Game in comparison lol

[@pluribusunum2727]

@@JButterZJ I think the hype is worth it lol. Fromsoft makes my favorite games of all time and I’m in love with elden ring. I can just see why casuals get upset because game journos told them it was accessible to everyone.

[@yonsetv5223]

@@pluribusunum2727 Game journalist told me this is a "masterpiece" its not lmao its overhyped

[@Random_Guardsman]

@@yonsetv5223 Whats wrong with it?

[@pluribusunum2727]

@@yonsetv5223 that’s your opinion

[@Draconic74]

I put 20 hours into the game running around, completely missed Margit until I watched another streamer beeline to him and proceed to get pounded for 2 hours. Yeah, hes slightly too brutal for a first boss, especially as an early heavy weapon build. Blocking smacks out your whole stamina bar, he can attack three times in your one swing, armor makes you take 60% hp a hit instead of 80% (still two hits!) I've had a lot of fun just picking some odd looking thing on the map and seeing what it is, running past anything that I can't kill quickly on my way. There are a lot of caves, dungeons, ruins, some weird puzzle towers, etc. And many of them have much more forgiving bosses that give you some interesting gear or magic or upgrade materials. I'll tackle Margit again when I feel like it. It's kind of like back in DS1 where you just blitzed past enemies just to get a little more info and make more progress towards the next bonfire. Or heading another direction because you realize the cave full of reanimating skeletons is too difficult after just starting the game.

[@morfigasoulslayer]

Margit is fucking horrible, I played bloodbourne and ds1 and barely died on any bosses, except for blood starved beast and the 1st hunter. This guy had me completely beatdown for a while but then I explored got other stuff, and beat him 3rd try, I used spirit summon and a bleed weapon, but otherwise I wouldnt have the damage since the window to dps is really short.

[@kylehart8829]

Blocking is definitely viable against Margit, but just like in every souls game it's nowhere near necessary. Just dodge and punish until he dies, he's decently hard but still very manageable even with a +0 weapon.

[@redxakuma]

I’m pretty sure your suppose to go explore first because I got to level 15 after 6 hours with a katana I got to him and it only took 2 try’s. So must only be a problem with people under a few hours and not leveled

[@goated4508]

Well said man, I’ve been neglecting the world around me in favour of trying to force my way through to the story, and obviously I kept dying, not enough health or damage output was ruining me. But I had barely even done anything in limgrave!

[@Lavaman_E89]

I really haven't struggled with many bosses in the series overall, but Margit kicked my ass for some reason. Felt fantastic to beat him though

[@619Gotenks]

I explored for hours after trying Margit for like an hour and found about 30 different sites of grace and beat around 8 mini bosses before fighting Margit again and gotta say, totally worth it.

[@Mink0twink]

Souls games deliberately punish inexperienced players who try to rush and it is halarious to watch it in real time on twitch lol

[@xSephironx]

Feels great to grind in this game. There's so much enemy and dungeon variety. It's almost like playing some sick fucks dungeons and dragons campaign

[@germanrud9904]

I did all that and still can't beat him. He chains 10+ hit combos, can't dodge, can't block, unblockable heat seeking daggers. Ridiculous.

[@Mink0twink]

@@germanrud9904 either level up more and come back (drop 5 - 10 more points in health) or use more summons. I beat him on my fifth try I think with summons after understanding his move set

[@619Gotenks]

@@germanrud9904 yeah you can grab the NPC summon outside the door and the jellyfish ashes work really well, it'll keep shooting poison, just try to balance aggro between you and the NPC and learn his movements :) or if you're on Xbox, just make a post in the game group saying you're looking for help

[@cursedimageseveryday5559]

After some exploration I learned there are items called shackles for certain bosses like Margit, Morgoth or even Mogh where you can just bind them for some time. But those merchants are in some of the most difficult areas so just getting there for low level player would be a nightmare

[@Tcrumpen]

I have never played a DS game before, this is my first foree into this genre, and i love it. It's a game i never thought i'd like. This is a challenging game that does cause me to tilt from time to time, but it's still hell fun to play

[@xdmemes5821]

This is my first souls game too and now I’m planning on playing all the rest before even getting to the halfway point lol

[@finalboss7956]

Ive been gaming for 24years & Elden Rings my fave game of all time

[@cubanref9670]

Wait til you try Sekiro and Bloodborne. 🤣😂My Baptism was Bloodborne and my God was that an experience. I now own every From Software game because of it.

[@iBlameRiya]

@@xdmemes5821 ohhh boy you gonna develop every raging disorders

[@angrysquirrel8816]

Now if only they’d fix fires deadly sin….

[@connormcdougall2773]

Honestly I really enjoy having the option to come back to a boss later when you’re ready. I remember getting my ass handed to me the first few times I took on margit, but after getting some levels up and upgrading my weapons more I beat him on my 2nd attempt, it felt amazing.

[@spiritassassin3436]

I have a question. Ive played hard games like god of war on GMGOW difficulty is this like the same skill level of that

[@cherryrook8684]

@@spiritassassin3436 Its less about combos than gow imo but more about learning the deeper combat mechanics (like recognizing openings and when to be defensive) so in a sense i suppose it is in a similar skill category

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

The game really has the zero to hero stuff nailed. When you start off the first troll is crazy difficult, then 10 hours in you can take on multiple trolls at once and come out on top.

[@Silverblood13]

Margit is definitely difficult if you just rush over to him. The fact that the game is telling you to go there first made me feel like he was one of the easiest bosses and that if I explored more parts of the map that I was just going to encounter harder enemies and bosses. So when I finally explored the rest of limgrave I pretty much just steam rolled through the side bosses, catacombs and caves. Which made me feel like those fights weren't fun because they were too easy.

[@taurus6392]

honestly, if you get in a bunch of parries or just upgrade your weapons and explore before fighting him he's easy

[@WhatTheFrogDoing]

You are also kinda meant to explore so you can find an item that makes Margit easier, as well as go south to fight the Leonine Misbegotten and get some levels.

[@Silverblood13]

@@WhatTheFrogDoing yes I understand but the game doesn't do a good job of telling you to explore is my point.

[@MochaRitz]

@@Silverblood13 it shouldn't have to tell you. The fact that you entered a fight underleveled IS how it's communicated, you just need to be willing to listen.

[@Silverblood13]

@@MochaRitz no it doesn't tell you that you are underleveled so there is nothing to listen to. Yeah you can go farm small enemies but like I said in my original comment. Since it tells me to go to this boss first it made me feel that any other bosses were going to be even harder, so why go to a harder boss when I can't beat the easy one

[@korneliuschandraw3431]

For new players who have difficulties fighting Margit, go find Patches and buy Margit shackle from him. It helps A LOT for me

[@girth_goblin]

I think the beauty of souls is finding that easy mode for ourselves. Carving out a path through a genuinely hostile world and mastering our own unique playstyles is damn rewarding. Elden ring is a masterpiece because it is accessible, but difficult. No from soft game has ever given players so many options for exploration, and the player must utilize exploration to beat margit. In my opinion margit is the best “first” boss we have ever had, because he strongly encourages the exploration that made dark souls 1 so memorable. But he still smashed me into oblivion and I loved every second.

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

I personally don’t like how accessible elden ring is. I fear that they’ll listen to much to the community. They even decreased a bosses health because the people who were bad at the game complained to much about it. They worked half a decade to make a game just for people to be nit picky because they’re trash at the game. I’m glad that theyre nerfing certain weapons that make pvp unbalanced. People will complain about the nerfs because they can’t figure out things themselves instead they listen to everyone else on how to play and make a build or what to use instead of progressing on their own terms. I can tell that the statement does contradict itself a bit.

[@girth_goblin]

@@Sorry-Sir_butNah ay, more casuals for us to invade lmao. I do agree with you in terms of difficulty. I like where the bosses are, some are easy and some are brutally punishing. My problem is with the standard enemies. The faction soldiers and their knights are sooooo easy. I’d like to see more variety, instead of the same enemies with different colors.

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

@@girth_goblin I second that. I also wish that hordes came instead of small amounts. Summoning should be set in a player friendly way. Maybe less demanding than it is now.

[@zel9061]

@@Sorry-Sir_butNah It was radahn that was nerfed right? No wonder when I went against him he was a push over

[@Sorry-Sir_butNah]

@@zel9061 yeah he was actually okay at first. I’ve never seen anyone cry about a nerfing darkeater mydir the hardest boss I’ve fought in my 15 years of gaming. They even cried to give radahn some health back 🤣🤣

[@case_in_point]

An open world emphasis and he's trying to boss rush. This is the equivalent of a level 2 thinking he can take on a deathclaw. It's like summit didn't watch the trailer or even see test gameplays. It's an OPEN WORLD. GO EXPLORE.

[@StevenLeeStudios]

He isnt trying to boss rush, its the fact a game tells him where to go in the beginning, and its a boss that will one shot you. Thats flawed game design. He thought it was a quest you follow like every other game that doesnt lead you to immediate death.

[@bombthezoms]

To be fair if your first fallout game was fallout 4 you would think you could take on a deathclaw at level 2

[@milojevicdavid9956]

you can beat endboss with level 1

[@case_in_point]

@@StevenLeeStudios well he should understand this is an entirely new experience. I would hope he understood that since, hmmm it's OPEN WORLD NOW. BoTW was the same. "Go defeat ganondorf in castle" the difference is the enemies around the castle could one shot you as well as deterrence

[@case_in_point]

@@milojevicdavid9956 right but how long would that take compared to being leveled with it

[@TheOneWhoShallAsk]

I for one think its pretty apparent the game teaches you to avoid encounters. Given how the first enemy you see (tree sentinel) will obliterate you. The game is filled tp the brim with stuff to find that'll help you out. In fact, go to the south part of the map and get yourself the claymore. Incredibly cool weapon

[@nomorebeans800]

I think the people who had major trouble with margit where either being kinda braindead or where relatively new to soulsborne games in my opinion. Maby a bit mean to call some of them braindead but the game is an open world game. If you had trouble beating a boss in previous fromsoft titles you would leave the boss and return after exploring for a bit and getting more upgrades. Elden ring requires the same approach but it just bigger. People dont seem to understand that you approach the bosses in the exact same way and then complain when they cant figure it out. Kinda funny tbh

[@TheOneWhoShallAsk]

@@nomorebeans800 kinda funny and kinda sad indeed. Dunno if you've seen the recent user reviews on metacritic, but its absolutely horrendous. People complaining about, get this, "outdated graphics", and a "empty world". Best one yet was "repetitive gameplay". Just goes to show that they haven't even played the damn thing or have incredibly short attention spans

[@OOOOOOOKKKKKKK69]

They usually add enemies like these. On next playthroughs you can get a headstart by beating the sentinel from the get go. In dark souls 3 you could beat the dancer at ''level 1'' and basically steamroll the rest of the game from there.

[@madsx90]

14:24 I agree. both Gael and Isshin are late game fights, pretty rewarding to learn, fair, and you get there when you are completely worthy of being there. also respect for Asmongold for getting to the end of sekiro I have to watch his playthrough

[@williamclark6641]

Margit's a cake walk compared to the crucible knight who you can get to before Margit. Just explore and rank up your stats so the fights get easier. Seen a dude go through Margit with a level 1 character after a few attempts. It's all about patience and timing.

[@CrimsonReaper189]

i hate those knights i thought i had them down with the parrys then i found the double knight fight and cried

[@Lemontarts01]

Parried him to death

[@Lemontarts01]

@@CrimsonReaper189 where it @?👀👀 Ima delete them in 2 secs I've fixed my faith build

[@davidbourgault1369]

Crucible knight is the hardest boss I've encountered thus far. Literally took 20 minutes and single strikes to down him. Plus he gives you a measly 2000 souls...

[@TheMasterblah]

@@Lemontarts01 if you haven't found them yet, the two crucible knights are in a dungeon around either Mt gelmir or in the Altus plains, I cant remember which

[@jullianpree6791]

Margit was hard, but fighting the magma wyrm boss underleveled, for the moonveil katana, was waaaaay harder. Margit took me like maybe an hour to beat. Getting the moonveil took me over four hours! Totally worth it to learn the mechanics of this game. Played demon souls but this is waaaay better. Love this game!

[@oskardahle2478]

I also fought the magma wyrm underlevel, but that was because I was trying to get to the platou without the medalions.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Especially when he does that stupid fucking crawling rush attack back and forth across the area for like, 2 minutes straight. Hated that bastard, damn near busted a nut when I saw him disintegrate into ashes on the wind.

[@1tsbag134]

I first defated magma wyrim. Margit was easy

[@mitigamespro8757]

Oh my god the frustration was immense. I had no cool weapons and I really wanted to get the moonveil because I couldn't handle just using the uchigatanas. That magma Wyrm really made me suffer so much. Especially the one where it charges at you relentlessly, no fucking way to dodge that lol. Margit took me like 4 tries and I beat Godrick in the first try.

[@d4clovetrain900]

DUUDE THIS WAS ME. I was screaming at how is this guy harder than margit and godrick then got pissed that i got a single ugly katana for my efforts so i didn't use moonveil for quite some time (i was an INT/DEX build) lmao

[@vaidazx12]

I still remember when summit rage quit GW2 because he got beaten by better player. His friend tried to help and teach him but he didn't listen at all. It was pretty cringe

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

Then he pretty much deserve it lol.

[@saphironkindris]

the best part of that is, GW2 actually has relatively balanced pvp for an MMO. (Not that that's a very high bar...)

[@Blud613]

I ended up beating leonine on my first try. Just grind the game, explore, and get cool weapons you like using. That is the best way to have an advantage on any boss. The more time you spend learning the game the easier it becomes. It’s almost like souls games are made to be like that.

[@ReptilianLaserbeam]

I mean I noticed I was getting my ass handed too often so I thought 'hey, let's use a shield instead and parry everything' beat him so easily. I guess everyone just needs to find their own game style; that's the beauty of this game, it forces you to try different strategies, only crazy people will try rushing and doing the same over and over expecting a different result.

[@cameronharvey4746]

Im surprised by the amount of people who have absolutely no clue about suggestive game design telling you to do things. Like they need the game to slap you in the face and sit you down and tell you exactly what to do rather than letting you figure it out. Im actually really surprised that summit is one of these people. The exploration and discovery and wonder is part of the game, if you dont enjoy that then its not for you.

[@truec0re193]

From what ive seen over the years, which arguably isnt much at ALL, i could easily see him being the "i prefer a linear experience where im guided" sorta guy

[@aeriagloris4211]

It's not good because these kinds of people will influence developers to make games easier and more elementary for dumb dumbs

[@FearTheOldB]

@@aeriagloris4211 FromSoft hasnt listened to these type of people for years now. Thats why we love 'em.

[@Notallowed101]

Why would a streamer want to think? Seriously? They want a handhold experience they can show the audience because watching their dumb asses trying to think something out would be boring to the other morons watching it.

[@SolitudesSanity]

I was able to beat Margit with the jelly fish..it attacked slow enough that he would get sort of confused as to who to agro. So when he attacked the jellyfish I'd hit him from behind and repeat

[@baileywills8267]

The jellyfish is actually pretty good it dose poison tick damage to the bosses and it just keeps going and it’s got quite abit of health to

[@viewtifulgold4223]

Yup, the Jellyfish helped me get passed Margit.

[@xenmaster2203]

Rogier and the noble sorcerer helped me.

[@8minato]

The best one are the two skeletons they just revive if you don’t hit them after they’re dead. Basically infinite summon.

[@mattemattics5667]

I used Roger and the Sorcerer summon. The melee summons could all get one or two shot on an aoe sweep.

[@yuh8432]

I think a lot of people got used to games where they just "blindly" follow the "quest". And I think for the people that haven't dabbled in Soul like games or anything similar they would just go ham, balls deep, no rubber into Margit since that is what the game tells them to do despite it being an indication that after getting their asses handed they have to explore different options to gear up. Also I think the reason why other first bosses aren't that hard is because there was literally nowhere else viable to go to or easily accesible. In this game, being a massive open world, players that take time exploring are surely rewarded with more time to gear up and face easy bosses/dungeons/side quests before facing the main shit.

[@BonzerMrT]

But that’s a problem early on in some games. Yes it’s an open world game and it’s not exactly straight forward or quick by any means, but there are a lot of people that would love to enjoy these games, I mean plenty of people spent their money on it, it’s just having to do so much extra stuff just to get past the first boss gets annoying and time consuming. Me personally I haven’t played the game, but watching and bowing that I have to go spin 4 side blocks and sweep a couple areas before the “first boss” already makes me not care or what to put too much time into it. Cause if that’s the first boss, that means more than likely imma have to do similar for every other one in the game. Games that allow you to streamline the path are generally just easier to get into and stay engaged

[@yuh8432]

@@BonzerMrT Yeah I think the game is not that forgiving to people who are more into streamlined paths to stay engaged in the story and content. I mean it is what it is, some people are into these types of games and some aren't. Also, I hope that other people don't feel bad about not liking the game and that they don't get sucked into this hype bandwagon. If it's not for you then don't feel peer pressured to buy/play it.

[@patprem923]

its not about the exploration anyone can explore byt the game is rather difficult so if you’ve never played the game or series you wouldnt know what to expect. the game practically teaches you nothing. not to mention the menu was quite confusing to understand. its just poorly designed in the way of initial teaching. simple as that

[@jiocrestfall]

i mean speedrunning and challenge runs just kind of became a norm: (0 death bs, blind runs, N U Z L O C K E S), subconciously it somehow became a criteria for people to judge a game in general and because of that, some people just forget to just explore areas of a game but i get it open world is not for everyone

[@yuh8432]

@@patprem923 ngl I agree with that as well, luckily I recently played the DS series so I still had my muscle memory and I still remember my prefered hotkeys in keyboard&mouse(no shame). But basic controls aside, the other guides are worthless and for other people especially ones not familiar with the genre, I imagine its a fucking nightmare.

[@kitzi4470]

I think the problem with this game is that they flipped the open world concept in which it is absolutely necessary for exploration instead of letting exploration be optional. If they did the common open world formula where the main bosses are easier with the main quest line being the focus and better paced then it would improve. The optional areas should be harder but reward you in a way to make the main questline easier. I hope I made sense it’s been a long day.

[@kitzi4470]

The main questline should be equivalent to the difficulty of a regular souls game.

[@buddyboltgaming8269]

You can completely skip the first boss by crossing the broken bridge and enter the castle backwards

[@synth1886]

I don't think that ladder to the castle is up if you arrived at that place without beating the castle demigod. But maybe I'm just blind.

[@pebrockk]

You cont even need to go into the castle at all in the game. You can skip it completely.

[@Wyllowisp]

You’re not skipping anything dummy. You need to fight Margit to fight Godrick and you need to defeat Goddrick, to get a Great Rune. Crossing the bridge just allows you to go to a new area of the game. You can’t enter the castle backwards because nothing is open until you beat Godrick.

[@buddyboltgaming8269]

@@Wyllowisp I know you need to fight him eventually,I didn't mean skip him for the rest of the game. There is a section of the castle you can enter from the cliffside grace.

[@Leonhart_93]

@@Wyllowisp I heard that you only need 2 runes to beat the game. So in that case you can skip the castle completely. But of course there is no point to that. You would be skipping things to get to even harder things.

[@brzky]

So, Summit was expecting the game to have quest lines telling you where to go and what to do... Humm just like any Souls game ever did before. He wasn't on the mood to play the game, why force it? Oh, for the moneyyyz!

[@nathannix3217]

You’re saying that like there’s something wrong with playing games solely for money.

[@ggdatboi]

@@nathannix3217 only if you’re going to bitch and cry about it

[@brzky]

@@nathannix3217 I'm not, i wish i could do the same. I just don't think that a figure like him should trash talk a game because he sucks at it or because he doesn't feel like playing that type of games right now.

[@caiuscosades362]

I think the main thing we can take from this was that linear paths of the original souls games weren’t necessarily negatives in this genre and that elden ring being an open world soulslike shouldn’t be framed as an overall improvement so much as a different flavor.

[@l.p.7585]

I agree, ds3 is probably the most linear and it still gave you a lot of regions to farm for items or levels ahead of bosses. The run back to the boss could be considered part of that practice and farming portion. This is open, so you can go to any area to farm, so instead you get to respawn at the boss. Margit is a world level boss that blocks off the next area, so maybe these people should explore the area before him

[@StrikeNoir105E]

@@l.p.7585 Technically, he doesn't even block off the next area: there's a bypass that allows you to go beyond Stormveil without even fighting him. He's an optional boss in the same vein as the Taurus Demon from DS1.

[@SaintSchield]

@Juan I am perfectly happy with the Dark Souls (well, maybe not Dark Souls 2 but that's a different discussion) series and would've gladly bought a Dark Souls 4 that followed the same formula. You do not speak for all people.

[@calculator91]

@@royloplays A huge number of people disagree. The point of the OP is for people to understand that whether or not open-world design is better is still very much dependent on player preference. It's more like vanilla ice cream vs chocolate rather than abacus vs calculator.

[@l.p.7585]

@@StrikeNoir105E ah I didn't know that. There you go though, in ds1 you can take the master key and go straight to butterfly or blighttown. I guess a more.apt comparison then would be ornstein as the 4 lord souls are hard locked behind them

[@bluedotdinosaur]

I think there's a sneaky theme hidden in the arcs of grace that point towards the primary game objective. In a typical game, quest markers and compass pointers are designed to funnel the player where they need to go next, in a purely mechanical sense. This is to prevent what designers presume to be the average player from getting frustrated and aimless. Such guidance is there in large part to try and maintain a consistent level of interest and engagement in the player. In Elden Ring, you are told almost immediately that the arcs of grace that spring from each site of grace are, basically, a sign of your (the Tarnished) own aspiration. You see the grace because you want to find power, glory, meaning, or enlightenment. The "compass pointer" represents aspiration - not just a literal map through the game. And appropriately enough for this kind of game, one's aspirations do not necessarily equal one's capability. Following the grace arc immediately from site to site will, in most cases, lead the player straight into death as they march forward into higher level zones and bosses without having spent time acquiring power and experience. In this one game, "the arrow telling you where to go" is intended to humble the player, not remove difficulty or frustration from their journey. But it is also meant to inspire. You see your goal - now you have to figure out what will make you ready to achieve it.

[@1nWaterBurning]

Neato

[@dylanfarris7647]

Currently hard stuck on Margit, got him to 20% a few times but he just randomly is either super passive or he goes on these never ending attack strings that eventually clip your roll and insta kill you. It's kind of insane, but he feels doable. Definitely WAY harder then any of the other games first required bosses.

[@PogU_4Life]

He made me smash my PS5 now it's broken :( I can't play anymore I have to buy a new PS5

[@rawke_s4eg]

I think thats the only problem with Margit, when you think you got him, he goes and do something incredibly unexpected. As far as I am in the game, he is the only one who does that.

[@JoeKing69]

As it should be. Sekiro was the hardest game I've ever played by a significant margin. There were plenty of times I thought it would be impossible. However this game has far more strategic options available to the player which I predict will make it altogether slightly easier than Sekiro. Calling it now I'll have countless replays of this boss where I won't so much as get hit once.

[@Ren99510]

@@PogU_4Life nobody made you smash anything, you did that yourself lol

[@dylanfarris7647]

Finally got him after 3 hours of attempts. I learned how to use the spirit summons and Jellyfish summon is fantastic against hi.

[@Im_OP_Everyday]

"Margit is too hard of a first boss" and here I am fighting the Crucible Knight before I even got to Margit getting my ass blasted for 3 hours lmao

[@george_denbrough]

Is that the fuck on the horse at the bridge? If so fuck that guy

[@crazeay3800]

Crucible knight is harder

[@GeimerisNeZaidejas]

i just killed Margit as my second boss after 3 hours of pain.. it. was. pain. used only wolves ashes, nothing else

[@TheDapperDragon]

Or if you got the key like a chad, you found that fucking THING at the bottom of the starting area and got absolutely demolished. Welcome to Fromsoft kids, it's not for the feint of heart, but you can do it.

[@heizi-lyh]

I beat Margit on second try. Crucible Knight killed me at least 30 times......

[@CoffeeFresh_]

I think in some cases, people feel defeated when they have to stop trying a boss and come back to them later. Its stubbornness to the fullest but its how some people are.

[@sorakazama7031]

That's why I don't stop except the deer thing. Had to get out of there.

[@orionizaqt]

Yeah when I fought Nameless King in DS3, I had to just give up for the day after like 20 deaths. Came back the next day and whooped his ass first try. Difference is in Elden Ring you can leave and come back later instead of literally getting stuck and having to quit for a day.

[@Wacharis]

I like to feel like the main character in video games. Elden Ring makes me feel like an ant

[@Superabound2]

@@Wacharis Elden Ring makes me feel like a tiny god. With resurrection and levelling, victory is inevitable.

[@orionizaqt]

@@Wacharis lol that's fair. I actually like feeling like an ant to start, or at least like the whole world doesn't revolve around me, but also that I do become the main character of my own story as I progress

[@AngelicImp8641]

"I hate it, because you have to roam around and discover things! Oh, you said it's an open world game? Umm... What's an open world game??"

[@lunacy5233]

I’ve recently bought the game and have just played it for around 4 hours and I can agree that the actual first boss is rather difficult I got it down to a quarter of its health but only from the help of companions and summons then I died and went and explored which was fun. Edit: I have played all Dark Soul games and this is the first time I have been beaten to a pulp by a man using a glorified Pika Pika no mi

[@Lipzyncable]

LMAO THE PIKA PIKA XDDD okay that made me giggle, but it took me 3 attempts to clown that boss and im not really a "souls player" so i dunno why people are having trouble with him.

[@doubled99218]

@@Lipzyncable his easy to beat if you explored and leveled up and didn't just straight speed run to him lol. 🤣🤣

[@Lipzyncable]

@@doubled99218 oh i leveled 3 times lol i went 3 into vigor and went for it

[@dylanmaloy4332]

GET GUD, NOOB

[@doomhunter500]

I made the mistake of running to him without exploring and leveling that much. Finally beat him last night and celebrated. Will definitely explore and upgrade more from now on though, and take the experience more slowly.

[@Gamertrip4life]

For me, when I found that boss I took a 3 hour nap, and came back and eventually beat him. Mind you, I’m a first time player for this type of game EVER, and I was definitely feeling terrible playing for my first maybe 10 hours.

[@last5902]

Ngl, i was the same. For the firdt 8 hours i think i wasnt very fond of the game but i was so wrong. I was afraid of the souls type game, now i one short margit and the thrill was unlike any other game. Games that ribal that feelihg was botw for me, but botw hooked me in from the very start. All in all i might be addicted to the game now

[@gameboyjacks]

im like low level 50, and it took me multiple tries to actually beat Margit, throughout the attempts I was really starting to regret my build really bad, but the good thing about FromSoft is that they know how to make you feel good. After i beat him I explored for like 5 more hours doing absolutely NOTHING related to the main-line story. This game is a masterpiece.

[@Gamertrip4life]

@@gameboyjacks exactly what I did, I’m about level 50 now and I’d totally agree with what you’ve said, I felt insanely good even if I died while exploring because I felt strong.

[@jdennis867]

@@gameboyjacks wtf? lv 50? couldn't u just kill him in a couple hits? i beat margit at under lv 20 but it took me 5 hrs.

[@ameshizen381]

@@jdennis867 fax wtf is your build lmao. They need to respec maybe

[@gimmegimmechicken]

Elden Ring is my first souls game, and Margit literally taught me how to play the game, now I want to perfect the Malenia fight

[@ewby]

Honestly I was just thinking that boss is great for new players and even better opening for past souls players but some people think it's bad game design to make a game that isn't instantly rewarding to players but souls wouldn't be the brand it is if it did that.

[@funoser7517]

it took me 2 hours to beat margit at level 22 and it totally opened my eyes to how easy some of the bosses actually are

[@Art-vc3ne]

I agree on OP comment. I was having trouble in roll timings because I recently played MHW and there most of enemies don't have fucked up attack timings. Margit reprogramms my mental and improves my understanding on the game's s

[@vlnjnkie]

@@funoser7517 i spent like 8 hours at level 22 failing to beat him so i went and leveled to 25 and killed him after probably 10 tries lol. this is my first game to play by these devs but its really fun.

[@vlnjnkie]

@@funoser7517 after i finally beat him i was absolutely euphoric :)

[@nicholasgogel5606]

In Elden Ring the 1st main story boss is not the actual easy learning tutorial/beginner learning boss. It's the Cave in the 1st area with the Beastman of Ferrum Azzula. Your literally as a brand new player supposed to get the horse then explore & find some gear/dungeons to practice & learn fighting tactics. If your having difficulty in a dungeon take a break/area explore, practice against specific enemies more, & slowly gain runes People take the game too seriously or intentionally make it harder for themselves whether accidentally or intentionally/subconsciously. Just have fun, nobody is forcing you to do anything... who cares if you take months to beat the game. Its your story & adventure do it your way.

[@cryingcat1823]

having fun is different for everyone some people don’t wanna roam around doing jack shit not getting jack shit l, the world empty asf. i’d rather play fucking uno

[@nicholasgogel5606]

@@cryingcat1823 it’s literally the boss you fight before meeting Patches… which is of utmost importance for getting emotes for MP