Why People Hate Star Fox Adventures

[@triggeredcat120]

Honestly this game is so aesthetically beautiful and I loved how it went away from the typical space shooting.

[@dr.metroid6119]

Honestly Fox and Krystal are so beautiful! They are seriously the most handsome couple in gaming!

[@triggeredcat120]

@@dr.metroid6119 Not what I meant but mmkay.

[@dr.metroid6119]

@@triggeredcat120 oh... you meant the environments. Yeah, they're awesome!

[@triggeredcat120]

@@dr.metroid6119 I’m talking about the entire game as a whole, from character design to environments. I don’t do that furry weird stuff.

[@dr.metroid6119]

@@triggeredcat120 Hold up! Furry weird stuff?! Bruh! I am not into that! I just think they're really cute and handsome. Fox is super fluffy too! And I have to agree. The whole game looks great even for today's standards. It's definitely one of the best looking gamecube games, I'd say it's as gorgeous as Metroid prime!

[@Mitjitsu]

If this game came out as Dinosaur Planet at the end of the N64's life. You can guarantee people would not be shitting on this game. They would be calling it a hidden gem and bitching and moaning about how expensive the game is, especially if it's CIB.

[@ict113090]

As someone who didn't like the game, you're probably right.

[@vileshaft9730]

exactly

[@DarkThunder150]

I'd be glad if it came out on GC so it could look as gorgeous as it does. Especially the Krystal character model is a huge improvement... for aesthetic reasons, not what you think! Valid tho 😂

[@MattKimura]

When I played this game as a kid I didn't view it as a star fox game, but rather an adventure game as the title suggests. And as a huge Zelda fan and adventure games, it was right up my alley. I played Star Fox 64 before it and I still had fond memories with Adventures. I wasn't looking for it to have huge amounts of star wing sections, the adventure was all it needed. I'd say it succeeded at being an adventure game. But yeah the combat does suck and so does Tricky.

[@thegreatestever913]

One thing fans don't realize is Fox's lore isn't just Arwing based, the only reason he got the Arwing was bcuz he needed it in the Lylat Wars which obviously ended and Fox had to move on...before the war Fox lived on Papetoon fighting thugs in close combat and using his gun and stole money to give to the poor, STA was a true Star Fox game that stuck to the Mercenary core...take a mission, fly to the planet and get the job done

[@thegreatestever913]

Btw tricky is a good side character and the combat is good as well, I'd like to get your opinion if ur willing to tell

[@PC.NickRowan]

Star Fox adventure was my first star fox game as a kid, and I honestly loved it. So much fun, amazing music and story. It was a shock to me when I found people disliked it in the JonTron video. I loved everything from the music, graphics, story and gameplay. Sure, it's far from perfect, but in my opinion it did its job and did it well.

[@ElFreakinCid]

Honestly, and I say this as a big fan of JonTron, that video was among his absolute worst. "Stairfax Termperatures" was little more than a poorly researched hit piece in which he mercilessly tears into every last aspect of the game, including the character models, for not being just like the "perfect" Star Fox 64, treats it as the start of Rare's downfall, and blames it for the franchise effectively dying while ignoring that two more Star Fox games came out after it. And the video was made all the shittier by how it seemingly influenced the internet's opinion of a once-loved game in much the same way Arin Hanson would later get people retroactively hating Twilight Princess, Symphony of the Night and literally every Sonic game.

[@klawschafer7425]

​@@ElFreakinCid Pretty sure Jontron later said the game is fine and kinda was just hating and he disliked the video but did not want to remove it. Also TP hate is really not common and his followers are a tiny minority, most people rightfully dickride TP. Symphony of the night is also one of the single greatest metroidvania gaems so most people love it too since it basically helped make the genre

[@krazoasamson9914]

I really like Starfox Adventures. The environmental design in the game is one of Rare’s best. Accompanied with David’s amazing music like Cape Claw, Lightfoot Village, and Dragon Rock and several other tracks increases its immersive qualities. The game should have stayed as Dinosaur Planet, as we would have gotten a bigger, more focused, and overall better adventure game. I am just glad that the community is fixing up Dinosaur Planet and I hope they can get it to a fully playable game so we can get our hands on what could have been. Anyways great video! I always enjoy seeing you upload!

[@Josheyee]

I absolutely loved this game, this got me into gaming

[@paddedpineappleanimations265]

Honestly, people ask for a different star fox game with good cutscenes, worldbuilding, and new characters and this delivers very nicely

[@Fuchsfein]

The problem with Star Fox Adventures was the move to Gamecube. It caused the developers some unexpected headaches because the seamless level loading system used on the cartridge based N64 did not transfer well to the disc based Gamecube at all. Debugging Tricky, the AI controlled dinosaur sidekick was also a nightmare from what I read. Resolving these issues took up a lot of the dev time. This along with the upcoming transfer to Microsoft meant that development had to be rushed near the end to get the game working and out the door in time. That's the reason Krystal as a playable protagonist was (mostly) scrapped and several areas, key plot points and gameplay elements from Dinosaur Planet didn't make the cut. And why we see so many explosive barrel puzzles as filler material to pad out the game's length. It's still an enjoyable game and features fantastic graphics for its time, but it could've been more if development hadn't run into these issues. Many of Dinosaur Planet's whimsical characters and the beautiful soundtrack by David Wise are still intact. I think a lot of the criticism surrounding SFA came from Star Fox fans who expected a space shooter, a worthy sequel to Star Fox 64, and got something completely different instead. The game would've been received more warmly for what it is had it stayed as its own IP.

[@WhoElseButZane]

Because it was wasn't marketed as a spin off like it should have been

[@rayvintankerson6818]

Even just hearing the music brings me back real good memories

[@viddysgamingviddyos4710]

I do remember a random KZbin reviewer complaining that the staff combat in Adventures gets boring or repetitive after a time, so that makes sense. Recently I got Adventures for a decent price while retro hunting for my GameCube, and honestly, I'm having a decent time with it so far. I remember seeing screenshots for the game before release and being excited, rather than going 'This isn't Star Fox 64/Lylatwars, so it looks too different or bad'.

[@thegreatestever913]

But that seems pretty illogical considering Fox literally has multiple movesets with his staff and not only that but link and Mario keep the same basic moves the entire game

[@stewlittle13]

People are blinded by nostalgia for Star Fox 64 and get mad whenever Nintendo tries to do remotely anything different with the series, which is why the last two Star Fox games were a 64 remake (3D) and a 64 re-imagining (Zero). In all honesty, Adventures and Assault were the best Star Fox games as they tried to advance the series forward rather than rehash the same things we’ve seen before. As for Command, the terrible controls sabotaged what could’ve been a good game.

[@diegop118]

"It's a good game. It's just not a good Starfox game" The same was said about a GOTY award winning game around 5-6 years ago...

[@Roonifer]

You mentioned Andross and General Scales, and I thought it might be worth sharing that the Dinosaur Planet ROM leak re-contextualized some things about both games. General Scales has always been intended to act as the game’s red herring; the twist that there was an even bigger, even badder villain behind Scales has always been the intent. Before Andross, it was Drakor and the moral ambiguity of the Krazoa. I just mean to say that a lot of people wag their finger at Nintendo for, per your words, “shoehorning” Star Fox into Dinosaur Planet and while there is truth to that sentiment, I think it’s also worth acknowledging that Dinosaur Planet, unburdened by Star Fox, still had some fundamental story weaknesses that make it easier for those who don’t know better to point the finger at Star Fox, and Nintendo. All that said, I genuinely love Adventures. I have such peaceful nostalgia of playing that game and while it’s by no means a perfect Star Fox game, I still really enjoy it for what it is, and for the memories it has provided me. Thank you for being objective but fair with this game... It’s really rare (heh) to see someone not completely dismiss this game.

[@ElFreakinCid]

Funny thing though, Scales was intended to actually be fought, not just immediately die. TONS of content involving Krystal was left out because they couldn't finish it in time, including her being freed earlier and the player taking control of her to fight Scales while Fox goes ahead to fight Andross.

[@hyperspeedfox6181]

Despite its flaws I still love this game. It has one of the few game worlds with a furry protagonist with which you can enjoy wandering around and progressing at your own pace, because of how good the atmosphere of the environments are thanks to the visual design and music. Sure the gameplay is mediocre but Rareware absolutely nailed aesthetics. Some people found escapism in World of Warcraft back during the 2000's, but for me it was this game.

[@jacobstaton99]

PUUTTTTT THAT BACCK, YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH SCARABS

[@ActionXander]

This game has a special place in my heart. Got it got my birthday and had soooo many great memories playing it. I'm a huge Star Fox fan and I just appreciated the bold new approach. My only complaint was the disappointing build up to the final showdown with General Scales.

[@grantmoreland2219]

I knew this was easy and basic when I played it as a kid with my brother. We still talk about this game today. I still revisit this game. Sometimes simplicity is bliss, particularly in a crazy world like today.

[@shinnok5337]

I really think that if Rare would have based the Starfox IP on mechanics similar to Jetforce Gemini, y'know a game that has guns in it and focuses on collecting new weapons and abilities and flying from planet to planet and also focused on defeating an evil emperor that led a massive alien army, I think it would have been received better reception from fans, but that's just my opinion

[@elderleon1844]

damn now I URGENTLY need a star fox like that even if I have to create it myself!!!

[@kurokamina8429]

​@@elderleon1844star fox assault is pretty damn close

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

JFG would be a good fit for this series

[@Zelnyair]

I know that Dinosaur Planet was obviously planned during the N64 days, but I think it's as simple as Nintendo wanting another adventure game with its own IP in case it thought Wind Waker's cel-shading and cartoony graphics would put people off buying it.

[@ElFreakinCid]

Fun fact, actually: This game was praised when it was new. By critics and fans alike. And sold nearly two million copies on an underselling console. It was only around the early 2010s that suddenly everyone decided it was irredeemable garbage no one ever liked and should be wiped from canon.

[@HylianWindRider]

It seems to be a similar case with Command, although it didn't receive as high reviews, but still respectable ones.

[@Evilmon2]

2 million copies isn't that impressive when both Star Fox and Star Fox 64 sold over 4 million each. And anecdotally I don't know anyone who liked it much when I was a kid. Scoring nearly a full point lower in gaming mags was also a big deal at the time, a flagship first-party game getting anywhere near an 8 was really low.

[@ElFreakinCid]

@@Evilmon2 2 million most certainly is impressive when you remember what console it was on.

[@ElFreakinCid]

@@HylianWindRider For its gameplay, mind you. Literally no one liked the horrendous way Command was written.

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@Evilmon2that’s only cause the ps2 massively overshadowed the GameCube

[@philsswweightlossdiary2944]

Star Fox adventures was the 3rd game in the whole franchise. the 3rd game. The previous 2 games took less than 4 hours to complete total. People are acting like Star Fox was a 30 year old franchise at that point that had dominated its genre. I played Lylat Wars on the 64 and Star Fox adventures on the Gamecube and loved them both. 'It's not a Star Fox game!' Star Fox had barely established itself as a game at that point.

[@AaronCMounts]

It was actually the 4th game. Star Fox 2 was a Japan-only release on SNES and was the direct sequel to Star Fox.

[@Adam_Gunia]

Why does everyone keep saying Nintendo forced Rare to make Dinosaur Planet a Starfox game? Nintendo couldn't force Rare to do anything they didn't want to. Nintendo was a minority share holder in Rare and the Stamper brothers were the majority (Stampers 51%, Nintendo 49% if I remember correctly). In fact it was agreed upon that Dinosaur Planet should stay on a Nintendo platform because half of the Rare staff were concerned what Microsoft would do to the game during the buyout. The best way to make the game stay with Nintendo was to add in their IPs. The game developers said this in interviews. I believe it was Phil Tossell that said most of the decision making was that of Rare, Nintendo pretty much left them alone and only checked in on them from time to time.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Then Rareware should have stuck to their guns and keep Dinosaur Planet the way it is. Besides, Andross coming back is shoehorned and had no business to be in a hijacked game. Drakor should have been the final boss and be done with it.

[@ElFreakinCid]

@@mazkeraid4039 Dinosaur Planet was a half-finished N64 game when the N64 was on its way out. Nintendo made the right call when they suggested it be made into a Star Fox game. And doing so gave us the actual best Star Fox game, Assault, not long after. Deal with it.

[@Swgstve]

getting a gamecube with starfox assault and adventures as kid is one of my most favorite memories. i remember the first time playing starfox adventures and struggling a lot with the darkness in most of the sections and the overwhelming tasks thrown out at once. it really is a small game but feels like a large open world experience. i still preferred assault over adventure like everyone else.

[@MrMindCloud]

“A Zelda clone and not even a good one.” I’ve played through every single officially licensed Zelda game and that couldn’t be further from the truth. SFA easily hold its own among Zelda and is, in my opinion, *even better* than a few of the major 3D Zelda titles. But I do understand why traditional SF fans don’t like it. It’s just not a SF game. Similar to how so many Zelda fans gripe about BotW because it was too different from what had been established in the series for years prior.

[@nak5833]

honestly id consider some of the puzzles in SA to be more difficult than a lot of the shrines from BoTW. The dungeons maybe not so much, but at least the dungeons in SA were unique and felt like each one held its own. I remember some puzzles from the divine beasts, but dont ask me which puzzles are from which beast

[@MrMindCloud]

@@nak5833 At this point I can’t even remember what the inside of each beast even looks like. BotW was a fantastic game, but to me, was a really lackluster *Zelda* game.

[@TomTom-nf9ui]

Star Fox Adventure is the best Game in Star Fox History. Nintendo where is the Remake or Remastered Version.

[@sonicdoesfrontflips]

The thumbnail got me triggered... this game did NOT ruin Star Fox, instead Nintendo ruined this game and also Star Fox by forcing Rare to make it a Star Fox game. Imagine if Ocarina of Time was changed last minute into an action/adventure Mario game, and then they never made another Zelda after that. That's basically what Nintendo did to Rares new IP.

[@madness9651]

People are dumb. Adventures saved Star Fox with giving the characters anything of a personality beyond memes.

[@jackiesimplejake]

If this game spent another year into development and solidified the star fox elements a little more, had more character involvement from the main cast and the villains, Like an actual general scales fight, and restored Krystal's original role as a playable character, if would have been a 10 out of 10

[@shreksnow1918]

Despite the game’s various problems I still really enjoy it. I have a lot of nostalgia for this one. In fact it was my first Star Fox game (Although, Assault is my favorite. Let’s hope those rumors about Nameco remaking Assault and/or other GameCube games is actually real. They’d be able to improve the graphics, controls, and other things while keeping the original game intact. I’d hope they’d also add online multiplayer, more playable characters, and new maps to the multiplayer. Something else I’d love to see but doubt would happen would be for them to add in some side missions with Katt, Bill, and maybe the few good characters added in Command showing Corneria fall to the Aparoids, having that fleet get decimated before it goes home, and some of the other battles. They could also have a few missions from the perspective of Star Wolf showing how they escaped, and other things they were up to). Admittedly, the Arwing sections weren’t good, the lore doesn’t fit like at all, and the game was rushed. But, like I already said I’m able to look past these flaws and judge it as it’s own thing (I do the same for Doom 3, and oddly enough I actually prefer that version over the normal Doom). Too bad the Microsoft buyout combined with Mini Munchkin forcing Rare to make it a Star Fox game robbed us of the masterpiece that was Dinosaur Planet. Thankfully the build leaked last year and people have been turning this borderline unplayable buggy mess that crashes all the time into something that approaches Rare’s original vision. Hopefully they’ll be able to get in contact with some of the old talent to figure out how certain cut sections were supposed to play out and make replacement assets from broken stuff. I’ll be sure to play it once it’s near completion. I really liked how you brought up Okami. That’s definitely one of my favorite games. Too bad they haven’t made an Okami 2 (yes, I’m aware of the ds game, and I really liked that one. I just want a proper next gen sequel). Something that’s really cool is there’s this guy called Esphirian who’s making a reimagining of Adventures. It’s going to be like BOTW where you can do the objectives in any order you want. Krystal will be along for the journey with the ability to swap characters to deal with puzzles and enemies that require Fox and Krystal’s different abilities, as well as having her relationship with Fox develop throughout the game. Andross is dead and it’s just a military alliance between Scales and the Venomian remnants. The Great Fox and it’s crew will have a much larger role in the story. And we’ll learn more about Krystal’s origins and connection to the Krazoa. So far there’s only been 3 trailers and a dev log. Unfortunately he hasn’t released any demos/playable builds because it’s nowhere near complete, and he doesn’t want Nintendo to strike it. Videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHioeIObhMSFjpI, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoitlnapjrWffsU, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qprYdGx7ipinr6c, kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5arfYWvit6ml7M. There’s also this other fan game called Star Fox Event Horizon being made by UndyingNephalim. It’s a reimagining of the 64 continuity that uses elements/characters from all three timelines/reboots. It’s a mod for Freespace Open so it’s completely free. Unfortunately the engine doesn’t allow for on rails sections or jumping in and out of vehicles like in Assault. Luckily the gameplay is really fun and he somehow got ground vehicles in an engine meant only for space combat. The madman even got in contact with Estelle Ellis Krystal’s original voice actress and she’s going to do voice work for his mod. She narrated this trailer that has the newest build in the description (kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYHCln2loqx6i9k). Check both of them out.

[@dragonstarplanet]

I have and will always support fan games and such. Including anything related to Estelle to be part of it.

[@Cousinbiddy1]

What r u talking about ????? Star fox assault game graphics, dialogue and cutscenes and voice acting were a downgrade from star fox adventures, the gameplay was great but everything was shit

[@SuperFunkykong]

The game that started it all.Starfox Adventures for the Super Nintendo.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

Was my first SF game. BUT, I want a future game to pick back up where Assault left off (I dont consider Command being canon) in the canon timeline and focus more on the mercenary aspect of the team. You pick and choose what jobs you wish to take on as you go. Have the ability to level up your wingmen to make them more competent and deal more damage, customize your Arwing, and maybe add in some Mass Effect tier story telling too. We need to see more of Fox and Krystal's romance, we need to see more of Falco's sarcastic personality. We need to see the nerd side of Slippy doing work in the backgroud. We just need a good Starfox game in general to replace Command with how awful that was. That 4K Ray Tracing 60fps collection of 64, Adventures and Assault can wait.

[@fallengamer1946]

Best Starfox game ever made, all I’m saying.

[@Stervelar]

I remember I loved the game... but it felt like I was playing a Zelda's Isekai or something, not a Star Fox game. I was expecting amazing aerial action with the power the game cube could achieve, bigger levels, impressive enemies, fast paced action combined with the vehicle variety and on foot missions, like a great update to StarFox 64, but got a beautiful Zelda like game instead (yeah visually it's very pretty haha), with some splashes of StarFox in it, I still like it XD

[@tonberryking42]

It's worth noting that when Rare was developing this game, it's NOT that Nintendo came in and said "This is a Star Fox game now", so much as Rare was in the process of being bought by Microsoft, and needed to finish the game before that completed. It was simply, and unfortunately, easier and cheaper to cut down the scope (only 1 playable character) and stuff Star Fox story into all the gaps that weren't already written than it was to actually finish the game as "Dinosaur Planet". imo, it was either we got Star Fox Adventures, or Dinosaur Planet would die as just another canceled game in the countless many before and since.

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

Actually, at this point, I'd say Star Fox Zero takes the crown from Adventures in being the most divisive title. Because that one is a *THIRD* remake of the first game (after Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D) and has a noticeable drop in quality compared to the previous titles. Star Fox Adventures, at least everyone agrees, is a game in the classic mold of N64-era Rareware titles with that patented Rareware charm and quality and a solid Zelda-clone format, a genre that historically was pretty sparse (with the only other notable ones before Star Fox Adventures being Golden Axe Warrior on the Master System, Crusader of Centy, Landstalker, and Beyond Oasis on the Genesis, and Alundra on the PlayStation). I noticed you forgot the energy shield ability Krystal's Staff has, that adds at least one more combat action to Star Fox Adventures.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

I never got to play Zero since I didnt have a WiiU. But yeah. What was bad about it though apart from recycled story? I swear Nintendo seems to harbor hatred for this series and is running it into the ground.

[@madness9651]

Isn't 64 essentially telling the same story as the original Star Fox for SNES? so it's technically the fourth...64-->Adventures-->Assault at least made up a nice story trilogy, the Zero reboot didn't lead anywhere unfortunately and many are worried it gets the F-Zero treatment. No new characters in Smash despite the great potential is also a jarring sign...

[@ElFreakinCid]

@@DAN007thefoxx1 No, they're just afraid of pissing off the 64 diehards who adamantly think Adventures and Assault killed the series, just like how a certain loud portion of Sonic fans have scared Sega out of using most of the Sonic cast.

[@ElFreakinCid]

@@madness9651 Zero wasn't a reboot. A remake or reimagining is not the same thing as hitting the History Eraser Button on the entire story.

[@madness9651]

@@ElFreakinCid It probably is, in the sense that in the next games, characters who died in Assault like Pigmar, Andrew or General Pepper will just be there again. Nintendo doesn't like consecutive storielines with characters dieing and stuff. They already pretty much confirmed all endings of Command (and thus the entire game) non-canon. Aparoid invasion will just never have happened and Dinosaur Planet will only be mentioned when they make a game around it again (but Crystal and Panther will be there anyways). Mark my words Nintendo likes stuff simple.

[@jesseburke2495]

Just going by the title, I'm not sure if anyone really "hates" Star Fox Adventures. If anything, it seems to be considered one of the stronger games in the series, especially when compared to the games that followed Assault (Command, Zero, etc.). The forced gimmicks of the Nintendo DS and Wii U hardware, in tandem with Zero's focus on retreading the same ground already broken by Star Fox 64, seems to be what has led to the IP's dormant state that is currently ongoing.

[@DBTGAMER]

I like this game. It's good but not a great 7-10. General Scales needed a proper boss fight. Talk about an anticlimax to a somewhat great villain. It's nice when star fox has different villains. I am bored of Andros coming back for more pretty much every single game. It's more of an adventure game and that's why I like it. Also it gives the chance to Starfox to do something different. The combat feels similar to Beyond Good and Evil. That game has simple combat and very few people complain.

[@Gundam4]

I think this game does deserve another chance but as a remake entirely.

[@jamesprumos7775]

This is honestly one of the most beautiful GameCube games (which is impressive given how it was released only a year after the console's release) but playing it, I could tell it was rushed out by rare before they had to jump ship to Microsoft. It lacks polish in several areas. I think it would have been better if they kept it strictly as Dinosaur Planet from the beginning and having both Krystal and Sabre playable with the swapstones.

[@rob9999]

May be an unpopular opinion, but Starfox Adventures was honestly my favorite entry into the series. Assault was fun too but was a bit clunky. The original formula is too boring for me, and being a Zelda fan, it was a welcome change for me. Some preferred it to stick to the arcadic gameplay, and thats okay. But I don't think its realistic because Starfox was trying to evolve as the technology did. I loved the adventurous feel of SA, but also, Rare really did have a great story despite them having to swap in the Starfox IP. I loved the characters and getting a glimpse into the world a bit more.

[@UltimateFeudEnterprise]

You’re objectively correct, adventures is better mechanically, story wise and aesthetically superior to any other star fox games idec west anyone says. Adventures has the best art direction, music, wider range of gameplay, wider range of areas. People don’t like adventures cuz it’s not a ship shoot em up but tbh adventures destroys all of that completely by being a better game in every single department

[@rayvintankerson6818]

This game was innovative in so many ways. When I play games like horizon forbidden west or zero dawn it feels like it never would’ve happened without adventures idk

[@firemanshadow8577]

Why can’t people just enjoy things and stop looking for things to complain about!? It had Krystal, the games eye candy. Good story that people still write fan fiction for.

[@aurafox1]

The Star Fox branding really didn't seem to hurt the game nearly as much as the switch to development on the GameCube did. In the leaked prototype of Dinosaur Planet, a build sometime between the decision to make it a Star Fox game and development for the GameCube, the game is very, very similar to the final product. The narrative hints at a much more expansive world than what we ultimately got, with more temples and guardians, though the build is unfinished and breaks down around the Desert Force Point Temple that never made it into the final game alongside the desert itself, the Golden Plains. The overall story, however, seems to be more or less the same, just without the Star Fox elements. It wouldn't take much rewriting to make the game work with Star Fox as is. It seems as though the bulk of the remaining dev time was spent reworking the game for its new home on the GameCube rather than including the Star Fox branding. I think if the game had been able to maintain its original course on the N64, we would've gotten a project that included Fox and Crystal in more equal parts like we see in the prototype, and a much more expansive world. But since the majority of the game had to be remade more or less, the devs didn't have time to finish the world they originally had planned, so they just took what they had and meshed it all together so that it was just Fox's adventure and reduced Krystal to a damsel in distress. That said, using the Star Fox branding was certainly a pretty big misstep among Star Fox fans who had been waiting since Star Fox 64 for a new game and had high hopes for the latest entry on the GameCube. But it most certainly would not have sold half as well as an original IP releasing so late into the N64's life. I think it was ultimately a necessary evil to allow the game to be released rather than cancelled. But still, I would really love to see a day where Dinosaur Planet got to see a full release in its original glory.

[@elliotsturtplus340]

The fact that critics gave Starfox assault a lower score than this is absolutely horrendous. Granted, I actually do like adventures but assault is more of a actual star fox game

[@UltimateFeudEnterprise]

Adventures is a better game than assault

[@maboilaurence8227]

Whoever these people are, they probably don't know about Command... Man that was a disappointment.

[@GrannySoupLadle]

I have an emotional attachment to this game. I loved it so much 20 years ago

[@XENON3120]

first donkey kong 64 now this game? Peoples view of this game changed because people over the years got older and severely depressed seeing most good as bad, gravitating to it like a bee gravitating to its working place. Calling a game good, but not starfox is fine, calling a game bad is fine, but calling it good and then over years calling it bad is twisted and it has more to do with peoples inner struggles that the game itself, the game didn't change, people did and their perception all together.

[@ravenjamtay5347]

Something lot never knew and this came from one of the developers of dinosaur planet is Timber was the original character before development began on the game

[@CG-zl6kx]

Never finished the game. I actually played regular star fox before and hated it, but I liked this adventure style game. So I never disliked the game for not being true star fox. I do remember disliking Tricky. I don't think I minded that the combat was repetitive, but I do remember getting stuck on a lot of the puzzles as a kid. The platforming and all that wasn't that great either. But it was a beautiful game, and I remember being wowed by the environments changing to day and night. I liked the voice acting and obtaining items. Would have loved if they kept star fox out of it and just let you play as Crystal for the entire game(but with the final prototype model, not the one where she has no hair).

[@chaossnowkitsune6377]

My personal biggest gripe with this game is that we won't get to fight General Scales. Still love the game though

[@chaossnowkitsune6377]

Krystal being created makes up for most of the problems in this game imo.

[@nak5833]

if it wasnt a star fox game and had more interesting and in depth combat system / enemies, would have been rare's best game by far. the level and character designs are so good, the puzzles are great, music is memorable, and the "dungeons" are all unique. i like the jump from n64 to GC idea, really shows off rare's art style in a whole new light, but the addition of star fox was just not great for dinosaur planet. i still love star fox, but if dinosaur planet would have been allowed to become a new IP im sure I would like it more than star fox. every now and then ill think of this game i played so long ago, happy to see other people still think about it as well

[@katakanatabro2048]

even though I don't like the game I have to admit I was expecting a 'you just hated it for not being star fox' video, but what I got was a clear and concise highlight of some of the games flaws, I would add world traversal and dungeons to that list personally, but I'm not sure how some of the rest of the community feels on that. I'm glad to see you enjoy it, I really am. It's just one I ultimately don't want to play again. One mans trash can definitely be another mans treasure. Very good video.

[@Oneisover]

Dude the game wasn't that bad at all. The combat I can understand but the jet, come on. Especially the way they spiced it up in the final boss of Andross. Yea the hate it gets still doesn't make sense. Even most gamers hate game loop. Of constantly shooting the same things over and over again. It's like the greek god of war vs God of war 2018. Like you'd rather do the same gameloop over and over? Like that's how I don't understand haters. You can argue its always been that star fox game but I know you'd be bored and wonder what other direction the devs can take to keep you interested.

[@dr.metroid6119]

I'm SO SICK of people hating this game!!!!! This is a really good game! It's one of the few games in the series that is lengthy, And even though it doesn't have traditional star fox game play, It offers more on foot game play in the entire series and allows you to really get to see fox! Besides, Fox is so fluffy and handsome in this game! He even has a sleeveless vest, so we get to finally see his fluffy arms!

[@dragonstarplanet]

Same. Plus I love Krystal.

[@redpyro5585]

People hate it for the reasons in the video, I wish Nintendo would fix the game or make another game like it, imagine a breath of the wild starfox game.

[@dr.metroid6119]

I honestly think they should.... I don't know why they're not focusing more on Starfox. If only they could make it like Starlink battle for atlas, except in the lylat system and hopefully not involving the lylat wars Era, because I'm so tired of andross, oh my gosh!

[@thegreatestever913]

The irony of people saying "traditional Star Fox" is that before Adventures there was only 1 Star Fox game and that game was Arwing based BCUZ of Lylat Wars which ended

[@dr.metroid6119]

@@thegreatestever913 I suppose that is true, but before adventures all people associated with star fox were arwing based game play.

[@dopeshades4134]

This game is awesome. Top ten for sure.

[@djb5255]

Less than a Starfox bait-and-switch, I felt like it was a Rareware bait-and-switch. I went in after enjoying BK and DK64, but it was just a linear game masquerading as a semi-open-world platformer. Arwing grievances are legit, though. Also, there are too many different kinds of collectibles and they all have whacky names. Like, just call it a Life Medallion or whatever, instead of a blipblarp or whatever it was...

[@1994BNC]

I love playing back then and still love it and still got it when it first came out.

[@AkiraStrix94]

I get why people don't like this game, but I don't think that justifies calling it a black sheep. That's just people hating it because it's not what they wanted.

[@literalhydra5733]

I actually enjoyed starfox adventures I thought it was a pretty solid game. Although that’s the 5 year old in me that’s saying this because it was one of the first video games I’ve ever played so starfox adventures holds a near and dear place in my heart

[@thegreatestever913]

0:26 respectfully...do more research on Fox McCloud and the lore of Star Fox bcuz Fox isn't just a pilot, his occupation is to get missions and go get the job done for money which this game had him do, in the comics Fox didn't even have his Arwing UNTIL the Lylat Wars bcuz he needed it (stated in 1993 comic) before the war Fox was fighting hand to hand and using his blaster

[@pressaTD]

Wrong.

[@thegreatestever913]

@@pressaTD 🤨, u must not know about Fox

[@jboogie915]

@@pressaTDhe’s not wrong

[@WorldNetExplorer]

I liked the game, but the Arwing criticism wouldn't be so much of an issue if the final boss weren't exclusively in the Arwing using none of the mechanics we just spent the whole game learning. Ironically, my biggest problem had to do with one simple story bit at the start: real time passed between games. Eight years passed between 64 and Adventures which started a trend of having realistic time between entries. That's a kiss of death to any series without a planned ending because eventually, your title character is going to be too old to be a hero.

[@RealJacobSorrells]

Oh sure, I DEFINITELY agree with the sentiment that because the “formula” of this game is different from most Starfox games, it’s a “bad game”. No consideration was taken to account for the fact that 64, Assault, and Adventures had on-foot combat sections (Starfox 2 and Zero’s Arwalker was similar to this too), or the fact that the boss fights of this game are gargantuan in scale like most Starfox games. Also, Bill gates of Microsoft is responsible for the “incompleteness” of this game due to him shorting Rare and crunching their employees to rush the game (it’s a fact, you can look it up), NOT Shigeru Miyamoto’s decision to turn Saber into Fox. In Addition, you forgot to mention the Staff’s shield ability, Tricky’s flame command (which can also be used in combat), and the many cut beta abilities (like the rapid-blaster, the grenade, and the sledgehammer), the freeze blast, the Sharpclaw disguise, the rocket boost, and the portal spell to name a few. While the game doesn’t require you to use the different attack moves (the staff spin, front flip, and kick), you gradually learn them and they add a nice “flavor” to beating the Sharpclaws. In my not-so-humble opinion, the on-foot sections of this game are better than the Arwing sections because you get to learn more about the character of Fox McCloud and see how he can save the day without a vehicle. Falco was going to help Fox beat General Scales’ armada in the Walled City, but that got cut, in addition to Fox saving Krystal from Galdon in Dark Ice Mines early-on, and she was going to be FULLY playable 50% of the game. I wish Nintendo would make the rest of characters playable on-foot in a future Starfox game, but it looks like we won’t be getting that any time soon. This game did not “ruin star fox” but is instead the greatest Starfox game of all time. It just didn’t get to see its fullest potential come to fruition (possibly the greatest GAME of all time) and that’s sad.

[@redpyro5585]

It really makes you wish they would remake the game and fix all the flaws. Starfox deserves better, Starfox adventures should get a second chance at the development that got cut short.

[@thegreatestever913]

How can it be different than most Star Fox games wen there was only 1 game before Adventures which was Star Fox 64? 64 was a remake of 1993 so obviously it'll have the same format but overall it's still 1 game pre Adventures

[@FenixHalcyon]

Personally, I feel it's not simply this game, but what came after that made it divisive. Assault was more third person Halo than Star Fox 64, and Command wasn't going to fill that gap either, so Star Fox Adventures gets to retroactively be viewed as the game that began the trend of taking Star Fox away from its core game play. If it was followed up by a Star Fox 64-2 I don't think we'd be having this conversation.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Couldn't the game devs make dinosaur planet for the game cube, and just have it exist in the star fox universe? That would've been great. Oh, and the fact that the devs sexied up crystal is just plain sexist. I know they probably didn't mean to, but cmon, there's no way to make it not seem that way.

[@robertfrost6421]

I bought starfox adventures thinking it would be a starship game like the others. I was disappointed at first, but once you get into it it's actually a quality game and i much prefer it to starfox assault as a whole

[@RyzenZegend]

The real question everyone wants to ask is, when does Star Fox Adventures 2 come out?

[@PhluppeHimself]

I know this vid is about 1 year old, but I think (still watching this) the reason people don't like the "newer" starfox games is just the nostalgia glasses. Yes, the old starfox games were cool but I do have to admit, after recently playing them, I felt "meh" as an adult. Some sections are cool (the train level for instance, or heck even the indepence day dogfight are still awesome!), yet it lacks something... that finesse of feeling an accomplishment. I remember I had to struggle through a lot of levels just to get the medals or survive on the harder routes, whilst as an adult, this just felt as an easy breeze. I think the older starfox games legit suffer from nostalgia glasses. Kids nowadays playing the newer starfox games might enjoy them! For sure, but people who played the older games can't find that joy again, not because of a revamp or a new title... No, the old starfox games, with the same formula, just don't appease to the more mature gamers out there. Side scrolling missions where a new invention back in the day, but with todays standards, it's slow, it's easy, it's not as engaging... as an adult. It's not the game's franchise or this sort of game's fault, it's the harsh truth that kids become adults. What was a gaming challenge back in the day is just casual play nowadays I'm afraid... So yeah, on the bright side, it just shows how as kids some games are gems, we've had our gems and can still enjoy gaming. The newer generation will find their gems on their way :) just keep on gaming gamers

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

I have never once played this game before but I do want to play it in the future for sure! Even though most people don't like the flaws in this game, do you guys still recommend I play this game for the first time or no??

[@ialyt]

No, avoid this game. Seriously, the game has a ton of problems. Not worth it at all. I suspect most people who love the game played it when they were young. I played and completed it last year for the first time and would never replay it again and it has nothing to do with it "being Star Fox".

[@SethAurelius94]

I don't know man. That one Star Fox game for the DS was pretty god awful.

[@ducksoup80]

I love this game and still played this day just get around the challenge of fear. I thought of a way that they could’ve made the rwing parts of the game more interesting such as you have to take down a Space boss so that you can make it to the fragment of the planet they would be secretly under order of Andros to stop star fox and his friends from getting to the fragment of dinosaur plant and getting in the way of his partnership with general scales. And another part of the game I thought about adding was a dream sequence inside of Krystal‘s head where you can play as her she would go on a scavenger hunt finding equipment to help her rescuer such as laser upgrades for fox's rwing and information using the staff for different combat abilities. Then in the end you would fight general scales and would have to go up into space and defeat Andros as well making the game longer and increasing the Rwing part of the game.

[@judethedudeisrude16]

I played this game as a kid after playing the N64 star fox games, I loved them all so much. Never got to finish it though, maybe one day

[@lowmax4431]

You should definitely try the patched version of Dinosaur Planet. You can play to the end. It sheds a lot of light as to why starfox adventures is the way it is.

[@toplel1860]

I remember seeing this game for years picking it up almost every time to read the back and never buying it because of how hideous it looked i still remember how good star fox assault looked by comparison I ended up buying assault and I still love that game

[@dylanvinas6100]

It’s not a bad game people are stupid they don’t know anything about video games that’s the problem and is fantastic this game and I still have star fox adventures and assault

[@FusionKush]

Best starfox game ever imo. Assault was okay but the story and visual effects on Adventures was so badass. All the other starfox were bad imo. Then again people complain about everything that's good. So in the end if you guys hate it is all up to you guys. But for me Starfox adventures is the best starfox game we ever got.

[@yarran3511]

It was my first Star Fox game and i have fond memories of it. was it the best nah But i liked it. The complains are defiently fair. Thanks for the video. Also i am confused i din't turned out a furry...

[@will_of_europa]

Somebody hasn't played SF64 and doesn't know there is also a submarine...

[@twinrova3121]

As far as the combat is concerned it wasn't the simplicity that pissed me off it was those FRIGGIN SHIELDED GUYS. They can block your hits in an infinite loop and have the reaction time of a cat on speed. Ive even seen them block hits from a TAS runner.

[@AaronCMounts]

I'd say Nintendo enticed Rare to make their new game a Star Fox game by offering license of their (at the time) wildly popular Star Fox game franchise. It was a pair of calculated decisions by both respective parties. 1. Nintendo needed a Star Fox game for the GC because it was still a hot franchise from the late '90s; Assault was both ambitious and still 3 years from release. Nintendo fans had been expecting a Star Fox game for the GC since its launch and were (not so) patiently waiting. 2. Rare understood the chances of commercial success for yet another action-RPG were low. That genre was already crowded with Zelda, Banjo Kazooie, DK64, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and a hundred others; so they needed a highly marketable name to wrap around their new game in order to make it sell. In 2024, both respective decisions seem like cynical, lazy cash-grabs.

[@hjames78]

No one I knew hated this game! Some people preferred the old style star fox game but no one hated it. Very good game that I wish I could play now. And that idiot that says it's not a star fox game....um...it is smh. Imagine his mom wore something she doesn't usually wear and simply because she doesn't look like her normal self I just told dude " hey that's a good lady it's just not your mom" lol smh.....

[@marclawrence2457]

I liked this game as a kid

[@PhazonOmega]

Stairfax Temperatures, a classic.

[@gregorywilkinson5731]

Only on the xbox live

[@marioandultrachap]

Still is my favorite game and favorite starfox game. It still fit well within the starfox universe plus people who complain about it being a departure starfox assault more than made up for that though it was way too short for me but I have a bias cause I love adventure games more than space shooter games. So having a more fleshed out world with starfox was right up my alleyway

[@Z95HeadHunter]

From my time spent in the StarFox community, albeit still with some strong division within it, Adventures seems to have been embraced by a lot of fans, a lot more than it used to be anyway. If those screencaps are recent, than all those comments you took from what looks like reddit were from 8 years ago. That was quite a long time ago don't you think? 8 years ago was 2014 and people were hyped for StarFox to go back to its roots with Zero. And then Zero came out, and now the StarFox community has started to embrace the sequels a bit more. Especially since Zero was exactly what some people wanted in a monkey paw sorta way, and StarFox is very unlikely to continue because of how much of a commercial flop Zero was. Tell me again which game ruined StarFox?? lmao From my own personal experience, I never played Adventures myself until after I had played Zero. Adventures was far better. I can't believe Zero was what people "wanted", lol. I thought Zero was by far the worst first party Nintendo game I had ever played by a wide margin. Do that disasterpiece next.

[@elderleon1844]

said everything!

[@zhizn_snake]

I always saw it as a fine Star Fox spinoff game. Of course it wasn't a real Star Fox game, but I still liked it, tho it had some issues. I liked it better than Rare's collectathon platformers for the N64, at least... maybe like it around as much as Jet Force Gemini. That said, it would have been better if it stayed as Dinosaur Planet. But I do like how it helped expand the lore of the Star Fox universe. I actually wish Nintendo would expand things further and make it official that Star Fox and F-Zero take place in the same universe.

[@saricubra2867]

Good game, giant deux ex machina ending, combat needs more tweaking, soundtrack is good but held back by the Gamecube's mini dvds. Graphics, animations and artstyle are still amazing to this day , the gameplay is still good as well.

[@Charloule]

How can people hate this game 😢

[@jacksoncogburn4816]

I love/hate many things with game. But one part of the game I 100% love is the twist that I'm sorry if you said you knew was coming your lying, an thats Andross . Absolutely loved the final boss fight.

[@camgeiger]

For me, I'm not a Star Fox fan, meaning the other games, I've just never been into flying games. I'm a super casual gamer, that would rather spend time exploring a game rather than remember 100 different combos. With that in mind, I can understand why Star Fox fans hate this game, but with this being my one and only Star Fox game, having zero context, this is one of my favorites! This is gonna make a lot of people mad, but the flying parts are my least favorite parts of the game. This game is tailor made for super casuals like myself.

[@crimsondragon1794]

I really want to remaster this game in Unreal Engine as a lesson. at least the open world sections....

[@davidklein8608]

Considering the original Star Fox had you fighting a two headed dragon in an arwing, I don't think the dinosaur planet elements felt too out of place in Star Fox Adventures. I always thought the game was a 'meh' because Rare was bought out by Microsoft and this was the last game for a Nintendo home console and the devs just didn't have enough time or just didn't care.

[@SweaterPuppys]

okay but as a kid I was IN LOVE with this game coming off 64

[@TressaKittyFox]

most of time people just hate change and cant exsept something new i loved it i still have a gamecube for that very reason

[@Zelnyair]

It's not that it's a Zelda-style game but with Star Fox characters, but that it also released the same year as Wind Waker, and both were Nintendo-exclusive IPs on their own console. It's not like a third party platformer: Tak and the Power of Juju, Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy, Prince of Persia, Psychonauts etc, where they were largely multiplatform and them being multiplatform didn't matter much other than "Is the game actually good?" If you had one choice, would you have rather picked the new entry in the series that pioneered adventure games, or would you have picked the game in the series known for flying around and shooting things to have, not even a spinoff but a mainline game, where you don't do much flying around and shooting at all? Metroid Prime may have shifted to largely first person, for instance, but at least that was exploring an alien world and finding powerups and shooting big bosses. You know, a Metroid game that actually functioned like a Metroid game. It's like Nintendo made the bizarre decision to try and compete against itself with Star Fox Adventures.

[@dragonstarplanet]

I agree with that statement.

[@redpyro5585]

That is what was hot at the time so they thought it would be easy money. But they let Rare do there own thing, because they only had a 49% steak in the company. It is Microsofts fault for rushing Rare to get finished. They should remake starfox adventures with hd graphics like re4 did, because the game looks good for how old it is, the only work that needs to be done is filling in the gaps of what got cut and making the game how it was suppose to be, I believe this would revive Starfox and would lead to Nintendo caring about their forgotten IPs like F-zero and Metroid prime. I am sick of Nintendo just making new games and leaving beloved franchises to rot in the past. They should ignore starfox command and zero, and just fix adventures and make a follow up game to assault on the switch. THIS IS THE DREAM!!!

[@madness9651]

@@redpyro5585 You can be salty all you like but with Game Boy, Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance being released for Switch this year, GameCube is almost guaranteed to be next. The accuse of them having their old games rot just isn't really true they are handing them out for almost nothing left and right.

[@xeronylloyd21]

Dinosaur Planet shills: Duh worst decision ever made Star Fox into a cheap Zelda copy Also Dinosaur Planet shills: OMFG Nintendo ruined Dinosaur Planet because they were afraid Zelda will be dethroned Pathetic.

[@herrmajestat]

I really enjoyed this game, but was never a fan of the aiming when shooting laser. Everytime I reached Ocean Force Point Temple and the part at Dragonrock where you have to free a dino, I got rather frustrated. But otherwise, very solid game imo. Great world and character design and very nice memorable music.

[@mattb6522]

I played through Star Fox Adventures a couple times decades ago. I don't think it's a bad game, but it is extremely mediocre. The game just can get a bit repetitive and dull. To me, it didn't have a lot that stood out besides looking really nice graphically. I can recall many set pieces from many Zelda games (some I played even before Star Fox Adventures), but I can't remember anything about the dungeons you traverse in Star Fox Adventures. To be fair, I'm sure the game was rushed once Nintendo decided to have Rare move it from the N64 to GameCube, so things had to be cut out. I actually feel bad for Rare in that they had to change their unique vision of Dinosaur Planet to now fit the Star Fox universe at Nintendo's request.

[@misterodfox]

In what world does it take 2 hours to beat SF64

[@MisterSpeedStacking]

This script feels like half of it was written by GPT

[@taravanova]

I don't remember much about this game, but I remember loving it! I suppose it is fair that OG Star Fox fans wouldn't like it if they were looking for another ship shooting game.

[@erikabutler6893]

I remember playing it when it came out, while I was in college, and I really had a hard time getting into it to be honest. I'm trying to remember how far I got. I got past the initial dungeon, then I remember traveling around in the overworld qutie a bit. I remember coming to somewhere in the overworld, a cave with lots of platforms you could fall off of, and I got frustrated and bored with the game and stopped playing.