Why People Quit Yu-Gi-Oh! The Reasons & Myths

[@hazeljoy1]

"Purrely costs literal dirt... other than the staples" that's a huge part of the problem. Expensive staples are a huge driving force in making top decks expensive

[@Animexdraco]

I would also had that if now Purrely cost dirt as a rogue deck that got reprinted, at release and when it was meta it was a pretty expensive deck

[@rahulthomas1168]

Get a job

[@jaydenbp-f5t]

for me its cost and that we need more common prints and not more shiny expensive cards and meta decks shouldn't be 500 bucks. also the combos just takes to long and to many handtraps and staples in decks

[@MaliEndz]

The only staples that are expensive are the ones that just came out and you can argue you don’t truly need them the game is extremely budget outside of mulcharmy and impulse which have a possibility of being reprinted in april

[@TemporalDelusion]

@@rahulthomas1168 Having a job is actually a big part why people are pissed at the prices. You buy a card for 120€, gamble if it's getting reprinted or not, worry about selling that 360€ playset before you lose too much value. Juggle the playtime value you get out of it with the resale or just accept that you spend 150-300€ ish every month or two on new power cards. If you wait for reprints, by the time you get reasonably priced cards a new broken must have dropped. If you are a working adult capable of making value judgements it's an insane proposition.

[@guestb8389]

_Because younger me quickly realized that buying packs for a card game that almost no one in my area plays for fun anymore was not a very good use of my Christmas money._

[@OldCouchGamer1]

Good for you. My younger me didnt do that before realizing having spent almost 3.500€ within under 2 years.

[@insanelywinning6529]

Yep just getting the singles are better overall.

[@DarkArmedDaddy1]

No one even plays yugioh in my town

[@mateustome785]

@@OldCouchGamer1 ayo thats crazzy

[@huggernaut55]

The thing is, casual yugioh is amazing, the card pool is accessible, and building decks with so many options is really fun, but with no actual casual format, playing casual is like a social experiment where if even one player in a group brings a meta deck no one has fun. Edison devolves into just an older competitive format, and unless you have a playgroup where every single person is on the same page, casual ygo has no identity, and it's a shame because when you get really good casual games, it's the best most interactive card game to play with friends. Modern yugioh is just way too focused on preventing your opponent from playing and 99% of players will eventually get sick of that play pattern.

[@maverickrx8]

And then people like Farfa will just tell you: "Just don't play with meta decks at that time. Problem solved. So easy." You're never going to come into a position like that unless you pull teeth to make it possible and everybody mutually agrees. Which, likely, they won't. It's easier for content creators because they get fucking paid to pump out whatever video everybody decides on. They don't need to do anything else. It really is a matter of content creators being out of touch with reality because they make videos for a living and get paid for it and they never have to actually go out there and try to find people willing to play the game a certain way unless they were getting paid for it. It's too much of a burden. "Just play Master Duel then so you can play whatever you want." Yeah, I'll get right on that. Just give me a few years to get all the cards I want and my friends don't want. Or the very thought of playing a TCG GACHA GAME of all fucking things with over THIRTEEN THOUSAND CARDS TO COLLECT!!!! "Just play Legacy of the Duelist then." Yeah, I'll get right on with teaching my friends how to go out of their way to use python with the game and the delicate process of changing banlists and modding the game because they never fucking updated the game after years of it being out to give us everything still locked in the game's files. And then still only being able to play with each other on the garbage multiplayer with just no banlists and no unlocked cards. (You can't even make some cards unbanned as well even after unlocking all of them and some cards are still broken, forcing you and your friends to play lotdle's base game with no banlist anyway.) Changing the banlist in a hex editor is still a pain even if you use the github guide that is poorly written and skips steps you will only ever figure out by stumbling upon the missing and vague steps or someone tells you. (I had to write several notepad documents just to keep a record of how to do it all myself depending on what I want to change) Nobody is going to bother with that if they already own everything they wanted in Master Duel and they only care about MD. My friends only want to play meta or full power of something they are playing and only that. They don't want to just mash a bunch of cards together and make a pile and play. They spent the money and resources on that specific deck. They aren't going to let their investment collect dust because someone doesn't want to play the cancer that's going on now. It isn't fun for them. It's a waste of time for them.

[@kingkitthe2nd]

@@maverickrx8Ok the small rant of calling master duel a gatcha game and hard to collect in, really makes it hard to take your other points seriously, even if they are true. All tcgs run on the same “gatcha” it’s a card game, you open packs. Now you don’t have to in physical by buying singles, but MD has crafting and an extremely generous system, and why would you need every card unless you’re some kind of Completionist.

[@flaremage119]

Most "games" now-a-days are built/played as a sport rather than you know....a game. If I didnt pick up Yugioh at an early age, I wouldnt have bothered with the way things are now. I am lucky to have to a few friends who play casually and we can have fun once in a while.

[@TMDOJOA]

I agree ​@@kingkitthe2nd

[@huggernaut55]

@@flaremage119 Ha, nice! I definitely agree that getting into it now would be really rough, I mean, it's so rare to see people having fun playing modern competitive decks. It happens, but more often it's like, oh you had this one thing, game 2. Having fun with friends and monsters is the way to go 😅

[@TigerTT]

People quit because you could replace player two with an inflated human sized doll and the duel would still be the same lmao.

[@thedragonlady5044]

People spending 5 plus minutes playing the game during MY turn is a big turn off for me these days.

[@Chris-sf4rq]

Nothing worse than drawing a card during a draw phase and my opponent combos for 5 mins and I haven’t played a card yet on my turn!

[@jamesquiggins]

​@Chris-sf4rq yep. Between the cost to have fun because even at locals everybody only plays meta, plus the solitaire like style and 5 minute combos by my opp on my turn I have dropped this so hard. If we were like ocg where chase cards have lower rarity prints in the same set then I could maybe justify buying packs and playing.

[@cheetah672]

This never sat right with me. YGO players criticize slower games where it's "You go, I go", but I'm just like.......yesssss? That's...how turns work??????

[@matasa7463]

Fuwalos is a rare in OCG but secret rare in TCG. Pure greed is what it is - at least for OCG, they have Maxx C, but here we don’t get to play Maxx C but still get to deal with Maxx C II, and have to pay for it too.

[@ak47dragunov]

Yeah I still don't understand how or why Konami treats its regional markets completely differently. It seems absurd

[@zawarudogaming3961]

Well no matter how expensive it is people still buy their product, and YCS always full of people so they don't care about the costumers

[@anakinsmith4770]

solution is simple greed and charity back plain and simple

[@Haosnir]

@@ak47dragunov Because over here we have people defending Konami saying that it's just a hobby and cause of that everything is fine

[@r3zaful]

@@Haosnir because it is just a hobby, and you guys dont want to gamble as hard as japan or ocg in general on chase card, why do you think they made 600M from ocg japan only and master duel? You guys generally doesnt like to gamble which is the reason most global gacha games server generate less money than their regional server. there is no fix for this except complete change of literal culture, which is not going to happen.

[@ClassicDura]

I quit because I moved to a place where locals aren't close, and looking at the cost/reward just isn't worth it anymore. Basically went back to my Rogue player roots and rarely play. Still keep up with the game tho.

[@jaydenbp-f5t]

all my locals banned yugioh bc they had enough of fights

[@FrostReave]

Master Duel is really enabling for these kinds of situations. It’s a shame it’s format is just worst.

[@four-en-tee]

Basically this, I don't have a locals near my area and I don't want to drive far.

[@nmr7203]

When was the cost/reward ever worth it

[@ClassicDura]

@@nmr7203 It wasn't. But took me a while to accept it lol

[@scheevyjenkinz8444]

The only way to have fun in modern yugioh is to make sure your opponent isn't and I feel like that's the whole problem for me

[@undershade3006]

Very well said. I COULD get back into the game, but I'd be playing Kaiju Stun complete with waterfront and that 1900 spirit that locks monster effects. But my enjoyment would definitely come at the expense of people who love playing garbage metas

[@toxicenddragon]

In a game where the reward isn’t money for the players, the company finds it as an excuse to reward themself with money.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Blame Kazuki Takahashi, it was his wish that no cash prizes ever be given out

[@fabioribeiro4627]

@@brianaguilar8283 that is a very scummy co out by konami, frankly.

[@saddesert6599]

@@brianaguilar8283 He's dead now, so that takes care of it

[@pamoon_]

When people told me Pankratops is a powercrept card from the past, despite being on the banlist for a while, it made me feel old. And I got back into Yugioh in 2019.

[@bobsnob9246]

To be fair kashtira is fairly recent and it's a direct powercreep

[@dariuspenner2528]

@ bobsnob9246 Pankratops is better than Fenrir though. Fenrir flopped as a Pank replacement. Fenrir just sees more play because it’s not dead going first whereas Pank is exclusively a side deck card. And even then Fenrir doesn’t see a ton of play. Pank being a body and a quick effect pop is a lot better than Fenrir because it’s proactive rather than reactive.

[@ShinerCCC]

@@dariuspenner2528 i am enjoying maining and siding both Kashtiras and Pank in my pendulum decks which can summon level 7s no problem. in fact level 7s are the best things pend can summon. I get to main Phantazmay and Chaos Hunter too!

[@Flameville]

lol I love how this video boils down to “get gud” “draw the out”

[@ai2802]

I quit the game physically this year and very rarely play MD anymore. The game got waaaaaaay to expensive, and I'm done being treated like dirt by how TCG handles rarities and prices. I love Yu-Gi-Oh, and love watching content creators, but I'm very happy that I've stopped. (Not even the wonderful new AI support is enough anymore for me).

[@HawaiianForgeStudios]

Or how they price gauge TCG players and not OCG (I feel extreme disdain for meta sheep in OCG because of this).

[@FrostReave]

What was the tipping point that forced you out of MD if you don’t mind me asking?

[@Shadowx157]

​ I was on MD day 1, I literally tried it for 2 days never went back to it. For me it's knowing I'll have to grind for hours & invest money to get to make the deck I want, just to then wait for somebody to do a 15 min combo, no thanks

[@gaiusoctavius6107]

More OCG TCG partnership is needed. They’re run by basically totally different teams and the TCG just does whatever they want

[@FrostReave]

​@@gaiusoctavius6107 The reason for that is they have different audiences with different needs banlist wise. As for card design OCG is 100% the problem. They are the ones doing whatever they want. Its outrageous

[@Cybertech134]

Modern YGO is like getting wobbled by Ice Climbers in Super Smash Bros. Melee.

[@Speedracer6]

Peeps want to smash with friends on ganondorf. But the only way to play is fighting wave dashing foxes and falcos

[@Andrew-gj6gf]

Accurate 😅

[@xL0stKIlah]

They scarred me lol

[@J3P2010]

I have to be real here, I was hoping this video would convince me to give the game another chance, but all it did was reinforce my decision. Pretty much all the counter arguments were just to deal with it and how to make the best of it. Ok so I can buy one expensive deck and use it to make more expensive decks? $150+ is not a small investment. If I end up not liking the deck that’s a ton of money down the drain. Yeah the buy 3 of structure decks WERE a great resource, but those days are long gone my friend. Why should I personally care if people enjoy no resource restrictions? You know what also has no mana but doesn’t take 20 minutes to chew through a turn 1? Goat format, Edison Format, and Tengu Format. If we’re starting from the position of some people hate long combos, half their deck being handtraps, and the game is decided by turn 3, why would a going 2nd deck incentivize me to play modern when I can clearly see what the game could be (and in my opinion SHOULD be) from Time Wizard formats.

[@Lan_Yanjing]

$150 is not that much

[@J3P2010]

@@Lan_Yanjing I mean good for you I guess that you have $150 lying around to burn on cardboard. But I used to be able to spend $30 on structures and have something decently playable. I still can spend $40-$50 on a sealed MTG Commander Deck and be able to play that night.

[@Lan_Yanjing]

@@J3P2010 $150 on your main hobby is barely anything, not to mention you can always sell it for 80%-90% of the value you bought it. If you think $150 is too much on a hobby then find a second job or something. MTG commander is also different, I would like seeing you spend the same amount for standard. A proper budget standard deck is around the $150 which still gets chewed out of 9/10 matches.

[@J3P2010]

@@Lan_Yanjing Alright now I know you’re trolling if you’re pitching that people take a 2nd job to afford Yugioh cards lol

[@Lan_Yanjing]

@@J3P2010 If you think $150 is a big investment for a hobby, you might need a second job.

[@loganm986]

On the handtrap thing, I dont need apologetics to tell you the problem is investment. Why should I not scoop when they have full combo and I can't do anything? Do that enough and you realize you wasted your money and are absolutely felted. Also it isnt "draw the out". It is illusion of choice.

[@FrostReave]

I’m not getting your point? What exactly are you complaining about?

[@loganm986]

@FrostReave Think I am pretty clear. If I cant do anything, why would I not just scoop and save the time? If that is the case and it happens enough, why keep playing? Realizing you wasted time and resources. Go back and get more chips or just take the felting like a man? Leave

[@FrostReave]

@@loganm986 I need context. I don’t know why exactly you take issue with “Can’t do anything” is not sufficient it could allude to anything. That can imply not an issue with a game but also a skill/deck building issue on your part.

[@user-mq1ng6sj7b]

​@@FrostReaveIf you don't draw enough handtraps agaimst certain decks then you just watch your opponent combo while you literally can't do anything While yes, it is statically unlikely you won't see handtraps if your deck has 20+ of them, it still happens because of course what you draw is random. And because of that there are a non 0 number of games where you just have to sit there and do nothing and that gets boring fast This issue largely comes from how strong 1 card combos are nowadays

[@Cybertech134]

@@user-mq1ng6sj7b Not to mention that decks requiring 20+ hand traps is just not good or fun game design. They keep releasing more relevant hand traps despite much of the community decrying how unfun they are.

[@thaniumx]

The cost of staples and general upkeep cost of the game is why I quit. Fuwalos at 120, any new playable deck that looks remotely cool costing 300+ is not how I want to do things anymore. I quit for Pokemon, where staples are max 5$ per copy.

[@SaulH1]

God damn I wish I didn't hate the graphic design of pokemon cards + wasn't deterred by ridiculously looking creatures (idk they just don't agree with me somehow, I wish the opposite were true), I'd be playing pokemon lol

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

why dont you play foor fun

[@SaulH1]

@ChosenOne-il4bm you know what, I might actually give it a go!

[@LynnLyns]

I quit basically because im from Argentina and a deck is equal to the cost of all my bills (electricity, water, internet, university) at one so if i have to choose between cards and living well, i prefer living. Also quit Master Duel because all the decks nowadays are 12 URs + UR handtraps + UR Extradeck + another UR engine, where were the days of Prankids where the core was R and some SR and just Butler and Roaring were URs

[@dragonfangalexander]

Hola, im from Chile and i just sold my collection of yugioh cards for a good 2 months of rent. I moved into LCGs, they can be expensive, but they are not a threadmill and you can enjoy the experience with everyone, gameplay can be more diverse or complex, and many of them have even a more roleplay-narrative feel built into it. I personally suggest the reprints/repacks of the Lord of the Rings LCG. It is nice to have an actual full card game, where expansions are meaningful experiences and not just more RNG/salary sinking gambling addiction driven products.

[@LynnLyns]

@dragonfangalexander i'm playing Pokémon these days, not only Pocket but also Live and I'm enjoying it quite much

[@stiffeification]

masterduel is pretty easy to always have an up to date deck meta deck without spending anything. Granted I play since day 1, but I have basically every single staple. 1000 UR dust left. Snake eye fire king, tearlament, Tenpai and more decks, without paying a single penny. I also dont even play a lot. you just gotta be smart about it.

[@TheShark110]

One of the few decks with that many urs is probably heroes.

[@kaio0777]

@@stiffeification same honestly i live barbados and only play master duel just have fun i got meta deck but i like building dumb stuff too to see if can win with it.

[@GrandHarrier]

I quit paper Yugioh because I got tired of being treated like a second class citizen compared to the OCG. Konami as a company literally takes advantage of Western Players, with rarity bumps and awful ratios, turning dollar cards in the OCG into $100+ cards in the TCG. The greed is rampant and out of control. On top of that, the game has devolved into an unfun state where the developers seem to have forgotten that spark that made the game fun. The back and forth. Where games lasted beyond turn 2. Where players used monsters, spells and traps, and strategies existed beyond, "Simply say no to everything."

[@connermorgan9223]

Play Time Wizard! Everything you pointed out is a non-problem.

[@wtfbros5110]

Im confused if this post is from today or 2008

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

Thank Kevin Tewart for that

[@Cybertech134]

@@connermorgan9223 Time Wizard is a piss-poor solution. Most people want a fixed game, not to be stuck in a time vortex.

[@connermorgan9223]

@ outside of a hard reset you’re not going to get a fixed game. Yugioh is impossible to actually balance with its level of power. TW may not be perfect but at least ygo has a lot of cool historical formats to explore.

[@americantimemachine7128]

A summary of everything that happened since 2020 is truly abysmal. Kashtira came, and it banished half your deck face-down and ended on Macro Cosmos Tearlament was Call of Duty powered and took 40 minute turns Snake-Eyes was so centrally spam-powered without restrictions and ended on 4 generic extra deck monsters and played 20 hand traps. It truly has been a barrage of pure garbage, and watching the cognitive dissonance grow in the dedicated player-base has been a spectacle. Schmidt is coping

[@HawaiianForgeStudios]

What saddens me is they experiment by creating interesting archetypes or lore archetypes and then NOT SUPPORTING THEM unless they are purposely designed to be META like Krawlers, Subterrors, World Chalice/Legacy, Duel Terminal until just recently (and even then its hit or miss) etc.

[@LoyalWackGamer]

@@HawaiianForgeStudiosexactly, where is my gate guardian support???? De first wave in maze was awesome, but they needed like 2 maybe 3 different extra support (not counting the bricky big guy in phantom nightmare) cards to consistently bring out the fusions

[@acesw6124]

Cloudian Iron Chain ...

[@FrostReave]

Nearly every post POTE format has been abysmally unfun. Besides Unchained personally. You had Purrley that was boring towers turbo. Yubel do all sorts of obnoxious trash, Centurion calamity locking, Tenpai extremely brain dead and uninteractive, etc

[@r3zaful]

mao, you do realize that when the game at its slowest during link intro is where people quit the game all together, remember japan ocg yugioh profit down 60% from that introduction that is the closet as it can get to yugioh dying, konami tried to band aid the archetype with archetypal links but that is not enough. by the end of the day its not the powerlevel nor speed that kill the game and its has been proven in 2017, its the restriction you put on players that make people quit the game, people who support the game in grassroot level and understand the bad side of yugioh, not people like you, because if these players quit the damage is truly collateral, you quit the game then sure i quess, its not going to make konami down in profit to 60%. balanced game doesnt mean anything if i cant play my favorite archetype no? you might dont like me summoning 3 quasars on your turn but its fun for me to roleplay as yusei, konami card designers took this roleplay aspect as their main design goal, balancing is not their main priority.

[@theermac6024]

Wanna know how the price problem of yugioh could be fixed? Common versions of every card. That's it. Leave the shiny cardboard for the people that want the shiny cardboard. Let everyone else not have to sacrifice a week's worth of their job's salary to buy the new thing that's taking up 50 to 60% of top cut every event.

[@Shadowx157]

But then the game wouldn't be pay to win, how would Ko-money price gouge?

[@darkcrow125]

@@Shadowx157 other tcg like pokemon and digimon do that too (ofcourse there are some very expensive cards) but alt arts etc help that collector still buy 100 booster

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

To add to this, promise to never reprint the shiny version of the types they have already printed. Only commons. So if Fallen of Albaz has one ultimate rare. They cannot print that version anymore. You can print secret rare and others etc that have not been done yet. Repeat for every fun bonanza set and ots pack etc until that card has no more rarity (which would take a while). But keep doing the commons. Also cap the amount fo rarity types. We have a lot now thankfully. But they should only drop a new rarity maybe every 2-5 years since we have so many currently. So we would copy MTG’s reserve list kinda. Cept only rarity types. Would help collectors and casuals all together.

[@DR.LOSSUS]

it's just stockholm syndrom at this point. this whole video sounds like a victim explaining how their abductor is kind bc they brings food.

[@primovictorian]

Facts. I thought this would have been a good opportunity to call out some issues in the current game.

[@WearableTundra7]

I quit yugioh in 2019 righter after toss format, i got my invite with orcust sky striker and I was only 16 at the time and got my invite which i was really proud of since that was my first big breakthrough. Went to nats with my other friends who made it and it was a lot of fun and I’ll never forget the trip. Then orcust got banned and I lost interest with how other decks played. Then in 2021 I went to college and sold off everything I had except my max rarity orcust sky striker deck since I had so many memories with it. Years passed and one of my friends who used to play texted me saying harp horror and engage are back to 3 and I couldn’t believe it. I went to my closet and found my old dusty deck box where my orcust deck had been sitting for years. I bought all my staples back and tore up locals when I got back to college and met some new friends. Cant believe orcust is getting insane support which is awesome. Just when you think you’re done with the game, it snatches you back in

[@alsparkproductions7849]

Stop while you have time. There's still hope.

[@Foreversouth0]

That's another massive oversight issue. Banlist hits that don't address the problems they address"what we're done selling". Konami bans cheap as fuck cards that do well which makes no bank from predatory sets

[@warzoneguy6089]

I sold my cards in early January 2020. It was becoming clear to me that COVID was going to turn into something serious and I figured there was going to be a time where I wouldn’t be playing in person for a while so I decided to cash out. After I stopped playing, I realized I didn’t really miss keeping up with the game so I never went back. Master Duel has been a nice alternative to play now and again as a way to scratch the itch of playing without having to commit a ton of time and money to playing.

[@sebastienbusque2312]

I dropped out of tournaments and real-life dueling for multiple reasons. 1- The tournament closest to me was about 45 minutes away from home. 2- My tournament records were awful. 3- Most people I dueled online and offline quit the game. 4- It was becoming too expensive and the trade value was microscopic. 5- There was too much drama amidst the group of duelists I was in - primarily due to the group leader insisting that we stick to specific decks each (in other words, two players couldn't use the same monster Type).

[@FrostReave]

Wtf, someone seriously insisted players couldnt have the same *type* of monsters? That is so unbelievably idiotic

[@four-en-tee]

I think the biggest issue is that there isn't really a "casual scene" in this game as far as in-person play goes. This would be easier to facilitate if the community did a better job of supporting alternative formats. ... On a related note, i'll get back to y'all in a few months lmao. Still working on the guide book for my ruleset, I cant meaningfully chip away at the homebrew format video until I have some proper learning material ready for new players.

[@daltonsharp6933]

My friends and I play a mix of goat and duel links rules. I can go into it more what that means if you are interested.

[@ILYxIW]

THISS. I want to get back into it but I have 0 interest in playing whatever the meta is. It’s a game, the point is to have fun. Playing ultra competitively isn’t really fun for me. I enjoy draft and sealed formats but that prevents me from really playing irl

[@caleblopez2362]

Shifter. I quit because I got hit by shifter 4 rounds in a row.

[@STEPHxCA]

Followed by normal summon Robina?

[@ferdyoktav]

​@@STEPHxCAnormal summon cannahawk

[@xerospades]

Really????

[@nathanmoorthy]

One of the most toxic playstyles in yugioh

[@luke88890]

I quit yugioh cause every boardstate started to look the same. Which just wear on me. Don’t get me wrong this was a thing long before I quit but despite all the flavors of archetype and the different extra deck type every board started to just end on the same level of no. From the same amount of negates to even the same boss monsters out of two entirely different archetypes. From something I originally found fun to go against just turned into really exhausting to play against. Then right after I quit tearlment came out and yeah no that cemented the decision to not come back.

[@patrickschweitzer4978]

Remember when link came out and most decks up to then suddenly couldn't play the game, and then gumblar extra link....

[@crusaderpenguin5326]

This is a big issue for me as well, although I haven't quit yet. I LOVE archetype-specific bosses (or at least bosses locked behind a type/attribute restriction). It adds so much flavor to the game and is in the spirit of the animes, where every duelist has "signature" monsters. Although there were plenty of busted generic cards in the past, I miss decks that trended towards those restricted boss monsters. Lightsworn or Light Synchro decks playing Michael, Dark decks playing Beelze. The tradeoffs of Evilswarm Nightmare vs Constellar Omega. Psychics playing Beast, Barkion, and Ultimate Axon-Kicker. Now every non-generic boss is an extender to climb the link ladder and survive three handtraps. I think handtraps/boardbreakers are another issue, or more specifically, the necessity of playing a deck capable of slotting in 24 handtraps/bbs. It really kills creativity. Obviously staples have always existed, but almost every competitive match is decided by who has more handtraps or breakers in their hand, not the decks themselves. This is a problem of one-card starters and resilient combos, not of handtraps/breakers themselves, but it's slowly become "handtrap and breaker: the deck with your flavor of starter" as opposed to decks with unique interaction and wincons.

[@DR.LOSSUS]

if you need a 20 min video to confince me not to quit i think its too late

[@jamesquiggins]

This

[@matija5748]

It was a Never ending powercreep for myself.

[@FrostReave]

All games suffer from power creep. That’s why other games have rotations. For me personally it was Post POTE card design. After POTE we didn’t have power creep we have power jumps. Is that what you are talking about?

[@matija5748]

@FrostReave yeah it's POTE spiking it was the last straw for me especially because before all that things were somewhat stable.

[@anatoli1234567890]

@@FrostReave no they do not.

[@FrostReave]

@@anatoli1234567890 Congratulations on never playing games or being blissfully ignorant.

[@FrostReave]

@@anatoli1234567890 Then you never played another game in your life. Ever seen magic with stuff like infinite mana loops? What about Pokémon (video games not card) with insane stat spikes. Monster Hunter, Stellaris, Smite, COD, Halo, etc. I could probably go all day.

[@EmrysMerlin8807]

I quit Yu-Gi-Oh after the Gumblar hand rip. When I experienced first hand that I can start with an empty hand before I can even play a single card, that's when I knew the game just wasn't for me anymore.

[@panblu]

Or not having negates vs my opponent and then he put out a board where you cant do anything

[@ricecHrispies007]

To be fair the very 1st good deck in yugioh was hand destruction and it was built around discarding your opponents entire hand in the 1st couple turns, and that was in 2003 lol. There are terrible not fun formats to sit out and there are good formats often right afterwards.

[@BlanekdCheque]

⁠@@ricecHrispies007Sitting out is kind of the problem. Everything wants your attention nowadays, and a lot of the people who leave to try other things just… don’t come back.

[@jaydenbp-f5t]

for me its cost and that we need more common prints and not more shiny expensive cards and meta decks shouldn't be 500 bucks. also the combos just takes to long and to many handtraps and staples in decks

[@zdelrod829]

Infernity players salivating at empty hand turn 1

[@ScubaFingSteve]

I can tell you the exact weekend i quit yugioh. Remember when herman topped with paleo frog on TOSS format? The one with reckless greed and twin dust storm? A weekend after that was my last ygo local/event I had finished grad school and broken up with my long time partner. My cousin and friend thought we should get back into cards because i enjoyed yugioh so much when we were in highschool and of the three of us I was always the most competitive. So i picked up the paleo pieces to upgrade my decade old frog core from frog monarch and started playing the deck. We head to our first locals. Round 2, I was paired against world chalice of all things. Dude was a competitive player, mat and jersey, the whole song and dance. Whatever, I was him in hs and so were my more competitive friends. He was like 8-10 years younger than me. We start playing and we go to game 3, i have positional advantage but needed to burn life points to stay in the game and grind. He proceeded to take 20 minutes empty comboing into nothing while watching the clock. My brother in christ its a casual local, what the fuck. So i lost to the clock and the whole time i remember why i stopped showing up to locals. Just teenagers saying the stupidest, edgiest shit possible. It was just uncomfortable to be in the shop. Never looked back. I just didnt enjoy it, it wasnt the experience i used to go to the shop everyday for. Still keep up out of curiosity and will load up master duel every like 8 months, but one piece has all my heart as a game now

[@JKSSubstandard]

1) First turn omni negate boards 2) First turn omni negate boards and..... 3) First turn omni negate boards. The game is a coin flip. That's all there is. Win coin flip, get 5 negates generic or otherwise, win the game. If I wanted a coin flip based game, I'd play tic tac toe. I moved over to star wars unlimited

[@josephb7835]

Farfa defending Yugioh always gives the vibe of an emotionally abused spouse saying "You don't know them like I do"

[@maverickrx8]

I genuinely can't take him seriously because of this. lol

[@anatoli1234567890]

@@maverickrx8 no one take hime seriously , he is just a spoild reach kid.

[@MBTYuGiOh]

Polemics? Jeez, slow down there Aristotle.

[@Shadowx157]

Can we talk about your community poll, w/ over 60% of players have quit the game.. 😬

[@baselali1029]

Fair disclaimer before this "rant": I love the game and am still actively playing and these points come from a place of love and respect for both the game and Farfa as someone who played multiple TCGs over the years. - You can't say the literal tier 1 meta deck of other TCGs are $100-$200 but say "Yugioh is fine cause you can play a rouge deck for about the same price, so it's all good". A FULL deck in most TCGs (core and staples) is less than a playset of whatever staple is expensive in Yugioh at any given time (Fuwalos in this format or TT Thrust in the last). Meta decks being expensive isn't exclusive to Yugioh, but they are one of (if not) the worst offenders. - Other formats need to be supported by Konami to be a viable alternative. Magic for example has not only tournaments for multiple formats but tailored products and banlists for them as well. - Honestly, I myself don't mind combo decks as they exists in other games as well, even Digimon is going for that direction too, and I think it's fine, my issue with it recently is that now there's no reason to play a midrange deck as combo decks invest the same amount of cards from their hand thanks to an abundance of 1-card starters so even if you by some miracle break their board, chances are you aren't gonna kill them and they win on the clap-back. - Floodgates (usually) aren't that much of an issue (still, they shouldn't exist in the first place but that's a different discussion), the problem comes when A- affect one side only (e.g. colossus) B- can be used from hand on turn 0 (e.g. shifter) C- just flat out stop a turn with no potential for outplay (D. Barrier) - Fully agree that the pet decks thing is just people refusing to change or adapt or try new things and I honestly never saw eye to eye with someone on that topic. - Prize support rarely is the reason people play card games, but it sure is nice to have. Even PVP video games follow the same logic (e.g. Dota, CSGO/CS2, LoL etc..) and there's no reason (at least no public reason) Yugioh shouldn't have decent prizing. If you read this far, thanks, and I would love to have an in-depth discussion about this if you are up for it.

[@george2991]

No need for a discussion personally, I pretty much agree with all of it lol. And I come from the exact same state, as someone who has spent thousands into the game, who is building Maliss rn, who has always loved and played this game a lot, these are all genuinely real issues for a lot of people. Even if I can afford it, personally. And despite said thousands of bucks sunk into the game, I refuse to pay 80 for a single card lol. Unless it's made of solid gold xD

[@r3zaful]

@@george2991 there is so much wrong in the first statement tbh, the revenue from global market is abyssmally low compared to their japanese revenue even with higher price entry, there is no explanation of it except that the playerbase outside japan are just not enough to even reach the amount of revenue that japan has, they have to make the price higher otherwise they cant justify the revenue, this is a common practice in most live service games especially from asia, take a look at hi3rd sea and jp server, jp shower you with more gems but the gems price are significantly higher than sea one, sea gets half of free to play gems but the price is 40% cheaper, similar like tcg gets more cards per pack and higher rarity but more expensive box.

[@_Flame9029]

the argument for favorite deck being bad just being "play a different deck lol" is so sad and stupid

[@DR.LOSSUS]

this whole video is sad and stupid.

[@_Flame9029]

@DR.LOSSUS whenever i warm up for any yugituber they just say some stupid line that meta dogs say and i just cant "like" one for the life of me because of this

[@TmOnlineMapper]

It's one hell of argument to say to just not play the game, when the complaint is not being able to play the game in it's current state. And yes, you can argue that retro formats are still the same game, but no they're not. Retro formats and modern formats have basically nothing alike minus a roughly similar rulebook. The gameplay is different, the pacing is different, the card pool is different. One has massive official and many smaller events, the other only inofficial community events.

[@quantaTTG]

I quit yugioh because i couldn't really find a place within the community, be it locals or online, and the price of the game also helped. I love dinosaurs and loved playing it but without a community, i felt i had to move on to different hobbies. For quite a bit, i moved onto gundam kits and playing commander but it didnt scratch the same itch. Then digimon came out, and I've been able to become a part of my local community and have built over 20 decks without having to pull out cards from other decks to play each one. digimon is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper (if you go low rarity) than yugioh and has a resource system that really makes you think about your plays. Duelists, i hope you're able to enjoy the game for as long as you can where i couldn't. o7

[@monstermilk6092]

I only "quit" because I had no one to play with. I left during the end of 5Ds anime and came back right before Links were introduced, and thank god I had a good group of gamers to help explain to me how the game's evolved. Now I'm the biggest Link shill you'll ever meet lol

[@FrostReave]

Legacy of the duelist really save Yugioh for me. It taught me everything I missed since time hat format lol.

[@HanzorRaphael]

Same, until I discovered Duel Link and Master Duel. There's no locals in my area, so having accessible online play w/o having to ask in groups was great.

[@lesibalto1016]

I quit because....... well there isnt 1 single reason. For me it has been about disappointment after disappointment with yugioh. No rush duel in tcg, no fully functional alt formats(0 in md), md not introducing anything new, powercreep being so big etc etc. I think the last straw was when they had a countdown during the worlds and when it ended they just announced a tournament in ocg. Like, i swear 80% of the reason why yugioh is alive is because of the fanbase/players. Even the animation trailer gave me some hope about a high budget anime about the lores we grew up with, but there is nothing on horizon about that.

[@DeathToRain]

I agree, the powercreep was the driving force that pushed me out. You can't really 'play' a game that lasts 2 turns at most.

[@Shadowx157]

& a toxic community​, 40% of the players left think the game is "fine just adapt, skill issue" , but the game isn't fine. This game wasn't meant to last 3 turns with decks comprised of 60% handtraps.

[@Darkflo23]

For me it's the price, when Magic look cheap in comparaison you know something need to be done immediatly.

[@PinClockFuntime]

I quit TCG as a kid because I was fed up with getting nothing from packs. I quit MD because I was tired of the game being all or nothing: I'd either set up my elaborate board and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it and die, or they would stop me dead in my tracks and that was the game. The Ranking system is also awful for how luck based the game is: I got to Master 2 and then crashed all the way down to Master 5 after a long string of Maxx Cs and Tenpais drawing the outs. It was just frustrating.

[@Failingatfailing]

The problem with even alternatives - as a Lab player in MD, I've thought about making a deck IRL just to have and maybe take to some locals (none of my IRL friends play). But even that rogue deck isn't cheap. Now to be fair, I got back into the game with MD so I don't have any generics so I'd be slapping together a full list from scratch. A Lab deck with just the Lab cards is gonna be costing me around $25 maybe (assuming I don't want to splurge for nice cards). 3x Ash Blossom and 3x Imperm together are going to cost more than that entire Lab core. That's just handtrap options too, that doesn't even begin to factor in if I want to play another engine alongside Lab (such as Kashtira or Fiendsmith). Adding in decent traps to go along with Lab and the cost skyrockets (ex. Karma Cannon is upwards of $6 for a single copy). With a full list costing upwards of potentially $150-200 for a rogue deck, its absolutely not worth it for me to do that that IRL when its much cheaper to play on a sim.

[@stargun7235]

Before i watch, i dont enjoy what yugioh has become, i dont find playing your entire deck turn 1 to be fun, and i dont enjoy the concept of hand traps

[@arjanzweers6542]

The reason I quit this game is game is this game's card design. The more I have played this game and the more I learned, the more I started to noticed just how flawed the fundamental card design has been over the many years. This isn't about summoning mechanics like Pendulums or Links, but how cards and archetypes are designed and what they do. The card design is focused WAY too much on going first, and relies far too much on bandaid fixes, such as the hand traps, which are a symptom of Konami's bad card design. The card designers at Konami know that going first is overpowered in Yugioh, yet they do not design their archetypes in such a way that they are able to play through the same board they can set up turn 1. They continue to rely on drawing the out outside of the archetypes rather than rely on the power of the archetypes themselves. The design of boss monsters and the intended end boards you set up turn 1 relies far too much on stopping the opponent from interacting with you that it makes the game very unfun to play. Especially after sitting through an opponent's turn 1. Then there is the concept of good going first, but better going second. A lot of the issues the game has could be alleviated by designing archetypes that they are good when they go first, but are better when they go second. When done well in combination with archetypes being able to play through an established board in-engine, this would eliminate the issue that going first is overpowered. It makes the game far less coin toss reliant and adds more variety to the game as archetypes could be played in 2 ways, as a going first and as a going second deck, depending on the way you decide to pivot your deck. Having to rely less on non-engine to play through an opponent's board also means you can experiment more with different archetype combinations, adding more flavour to the game. And as last is the poor use of the banlist. Konami relies way too much on bandaid fixes and not to banlist to solve problems in the format. The OCG in particular is very guilty of this, which made it a major contributor to this game's chronic bad card design. We all know their over-reliance on Maxx C to keep combo decks in check (and to give casuals a couple of free wins against competitive decks). Every time they introduce a problem into the game, they rather sell you a sollution through a band-aid fix staple instead of banning the card. Yeah it makes them money, but it is anything but healthy for the game, and also contributes significantly to the power creep as well. The mentality of how competive archetypes are designed and how problems in the format are to be adressed really needs to be changed at Konami, especially on the OCG side, because now they are stuck in a tunnel vision that just creates increasingly worse cards.

[@shichimiyasatone726]

@@arjanzweers6542 @arjanzweers6542 I feel like the concept of good going first, better going second is becoming so rare nowadays. I like decks that do that, but since Swordsoul, the only one deck that functioned that way was Ryzeal. Tenpai and Ancient Gear are purely only good at going second, so those hardly count.

[@nothing001-z3p]

For me, it's how the game changed from disrupting your opponent's plays to your opponent can't play the game. Generic floodgates like secret village, cards that makes it impossible to special summon, trap cards that act like quick spells and the list goes on. Yugioh it's a great game when it's a back and forth game, but right now, it's just "copy this deck so your opponent can't play the game"

[@nothing001-z3p]

I think master duel has the potential to fix this because it's very easy to implement new ideas and if they don't work, just roll back, receive feedback from the community and try again

[@r3zaful]

@@nothing001-z3p there is two type of community one is the type that wants freedom and the other wants slower format, you please one and you piss the other, konami as a company will listen to the community who pays more, now go figure which community who pays more.

[@anakinsmith4770]

are you joking secret village you must be a heavy meta player if your losing to that. the funny thing is if you copy a deck your not actually flood-gating anyone out of the game it ain't eldlich format and runick ain't the best deck. if you copied a deck you'd have 20+ hand traps they are the real cards that stop you playing. you want a fact the top decks aren't the top decks because of floodgates they are because of non engine and a 10 cards suite that does everything and not because good players play them if you gave pak charmers and jesse dark magician it still looses to the same hand trap. you can talk floods all you want but face facts genex is a playable deck without hand traps so are so many others

[@FrostReave]

@@anakinsmith4770 Spell cards actually are pretty important for alot of meta strategies especially in the fact that secret villiage is one those floodgates used exclusively by some variant of combo decks that will have a board of some kind on top of that.

[@FrostReave]

It sounds like you just dont want meaningful interaction. Interaction is not about locking the opponent out of the game its the opposite its creating a gamestate where you will be continually playing with the opponent as you navigate their board. The only real exceptions are decks that are either A:) Very oppressive (such as Yubel or Tearlament) or B:) Floodgates. The former is an issue that could be dealt with minimal changes and the latter frankly shouldnt exist in the first place. Be honest, you just want old Yugioh back and dont like the speed of Modern. Thats what this is really about I would bet on it

[@BlakesGamez]

I quit because the amount of problem cards reached a critical mass, and instead of a banlist, they announced the mulcharmy cards

[@roarbahamut9866]

Mulcharmy are amazing for the game. they are going second only, dead if you go first.

[@BlakesGamez]

@roarbahamut9866 having a win button because you went second is not amazing for the game

[@HarrisMcAllister]

This is the first yugioh video i've watched in a few years (recommended to me). Game was getting absurdley expensive and I felt like I was simply spending too much on something that really wasn't giving me joy anymore and didn't improve my quality of life. Met a lot of great friends, but got into a lot of hostile situations from toxic players who were miserable inside and didn't have much in their life aside from this game. Covid hit, sold my decks and never looked back. Theres other things to do in life that are more meaningful and better communities out there. Although I have thought about getting back into collecting for fun. I watched your channed when I played and thought you were funny af Farfa!

[@kylekataniego6515]

Ive quit before because Yugioh metas focused on negates and denying your opponent any opportunity to play the game. My favorite aspects of Yugioh are problem solving and implementing creative strategies as the board dynamically changes with each choice. Losing because I misplayed is a lot more satisfying than losing because my opponent had a negate city active and all my cards are rendered useless.

[@dariuspenner2528]

The generic extra deck negates have been banned for a while now. Apollousa got hit last list and Baronne and Savage got hit at the beginning of this year. The only negation at this point is archetypal, which is fine. You’re looking at Desirae for Fiendsmith or the one Azamina fusion for generic omnis. Yubel can also make Varudras but it’s not a consistent end piece. Boards nowadays are more grindy than negate focused.

[@FrostReave]

@@dariuspenner2528 They said before. Apparently they can keep up with rage bait but no actual game news.

[@SilverFoilHat]

Id rather invest my money in precious metals. Yugioh got too expensive with 1000$ rotating formats

[@NeCoruption]

Even the damn anime made the dude go BACK in time to have a duel with yugi in order to revive the LOVE for the game

[@brianaguilar8283]

Which anime?

[@NeCoruption]

@brianaguilar8283 GX I think?

[@Izudothiro]

A playset of Fuwalos here costs 360 USD, the average monthly income here is 235 USD

[@bod967]

"There is something for everyone" Alright, tell me a deck which does not rely on long combos, can always (not consistently, not sometimes, not often but always) stop opponents from doing long combos (so no "just draw the out"), which can not be prevented from being played while still allowing the opponent to play his turn, prevents the opponent from playing my turn more than me, does not need to otk and can play through floodgates Bonus points if it's a GEPD deck

[@Jan-me8hy]

I quit because i dont want to See opponent Solitaire for 10 min straight ..... So boring . 95% of Games you win with dice roll. Interaction only are handtraps... Game cost way to much (3dominus Impuls/3 mulcharmy fuwalos= 400€)....

[@lewi142]

Im a life long yugioh fan and player, i stopped playing the game simply because the game isn't good anymore. I feel Yugioh is in its darkest time and it will only get worse, the game had 2 major competitors back in the day, Pokemon and MTG but now Bandai is constantly spitting card games out you have One Piece which has outsold Yu-Gi-Oh in Japan this year, you have Gundam TCG coming out which will absolutely be one of the biggest TCG's in Japan. League of legends is bringing a TCG out which has 2, 3 and 4 player modes which as we've seen with edh/commander is a hugely popular way yo play card games. You have Lorcana with big prize pools and top players moving to it for the better prizes. All this is extremely worrying for a game that frankly people are already leaving due to the state of the game. Yugioh absolutely needs a resource that limits players, no game should you be able to play everything on the first turn.. you need to gradually ramp to an end game, not end the game turn 1. Yugioh prize pool will be the death of the game with so many other TCG competitions which already have better prize support than a 25 year old game. They need to start working on a fix right now because i know people cry wolf all the time claiming the game is going to die or is dieing... You can claim or say what you want but at this point if they don't act instantly and try to fix this game, then the game won't even be seen within the big 5 card games.

[@pinkfrappe_]

I'm trying to get into the TCG, but I'm struggling to find the motivation to. The only friend I have who's still interested in the game lives several states away, the locals scene is *there* but it's pretty small, and Master Duel is just so much more accessible seeing as I can open it whenever I want and get a few games in on break at work or while I'm winding down at night. Ultimately, the big reason behind me not playing the physical game is the lack of time to be able to. I enjoy the game a lot, I participate in the Duelist Cups and even if I don't do well, I have the want to improve and continue testing myself. And if I ever got to a point in the physical game where I could have the opportunity to travel to a Regionals or a YCS? I just... wouldn't be able to. And that would be so *demoralizing* knowing that I could be there but am genuinely incapable due to time and financial constraints. Whereas with Master Duel, I can climb a ranked ladder and take a shot at the Duelist Cup from the comfort of my own home/the work bathroom. Prize support is nice, and I would like to be able to point to a physical item and say "I earned that", but honestly I'm also happy with just knowing I've improved my skill and understanding in a game that's been close to me since childhood.

[@DuncanHarbison]

The point where I stopped enjoying current yugioh so much was when everything became 1 card combos. Probably around zoodiac, zoodiac was fun because it was a novelty but since then your deck has to do enough to win the game with 1-2 cards or it's not playable and very few of the exceptions have been healthy. The only reason I'd enter a current format locals is to see friends and nowhere runs retro formats regularly. Edit: Also trying to restart this game after taking a break for a couple of years, absolutely no chance. Every card except shifter and mulcharmies has 3 effects minimum. No idea why anyone would start playing yugioh without having played it before at this point. The time commitment to be able to play to any sort of competent level is absolutely not worth it, never mind the price of cards that will almost always get either banned or powercrept.

[@-CallMeMarvin-]

I remember "back in the day" a friend and I would buy 2-3 Structure Decks just before a local Tournament, create a Deck and just have a good Time

[@AoyagiMei]

I quit the moment someone played Dimensional Fissure and flipped Anti Spell Fragrance on me and I realised I couldn't play the game.

[@brianaguilar8283]

You know, the strange part is that those are older cards

[@AoyagiMei]

@@brianaguilar8283 tells you how long this "you can't play game" design philosophy has been around for if anything

[@Luminousplayer]

It doesnt help that pack filler is so bad , most pack opening videos only check the foil card and throw the rest on a pile without looking.

[@GrimmShane]

Modern Yugioh is actually the one TCG I play decently often, playing Master duel got me to get back into Magic with my friends, then I started playing Pokemon TCG Pocket on the bus or with classmates, and now I'm taking the plunge into Digimon! As a fun fact, I'm getting myself a fully constructed deck, card by card, for Digimon this month - Legend Arms - and the ones i've got ready to order, are like, 77€ total (with shipping) (And even then, I can still play it online for free on the DCGO, which has been quite fun!)

[@OizenX]

I launch master duel, I play one game, the deck I play doesn't matter at all and the only thing that matters is resolving handtraps. Almost every card in both my and my opponent's deck might as well all say "if this resolves, win the duel", very rarely is there a point to playing it out or even going beyond turn 1 and you can almost always know the victor based on opening hands alone. Thats why I stopped. I get handtraps make the game more interactive but consider that I loaded up to play Madolche, not Maxx Blossom's Impermanence Veiler turbo. I don't find Handtrap gameplay fun.

[@matija5748]

Exactly, unless you play whatever the new tier 0/tier 1 deck is out there, the entire game becomes glorified blackjack and even that is extremely generous because there is some gameplay and decision making behind blackjack. Unlike in Yu-Gi-Oh where you just sit there doing absolutely nothing because you didn't open a super specific hand.

[@lordgrub12345]

Just curious, what do you play? Yeah, dude. If you play a powerful deck, expect to be handtrapped. That's like complaining to a blue player that they counterspelled your main monster. Your job is to play around handtraps. I don't like the current meta, but the problem are not the handtraps. They are a symptom.

[@stuckmeister7750]

Right but I hate to say this, but if your madolche combo goes uninterrupted you also just win, with the new support you go mega plus and set up a lot of interaction... there's no alternative

[@FrostReave]

The problem isn’t handtraps its 1 card combos that do everything enabling people to even be able to fit that many hand traps in their deck. Excluding the floodgate handtraps I think they were very healthy before POTE

[@alexanderjackson7948]

I mean, a lot of modern decks can play through a lot of interaction (I play melodious and can easily go full combo through 3 effects) so, if you haven't already, maybe try out a newer, more midrange kind of deck?

[@dat_man_sam9823]

I quit shortly after link summoning came out and haven't wanted to come back. I know powercreep is a thing in all games but this game is absurd. You can play any card that is not banned but when those cards are almost unplayable then your ban list just isn't that interesting as a rotation mechanic. Onboarding new players is almost impossible because of how complex the game is. You are generic summoning and searching most of the time but each "new" deck has slight variations even though it kind of boils down to break my board or you lose. Prize pools are basically non existent and always has been. Products released by Konami are laughable when you compare them to other card games.

[@bonel0rd326]

My breaking point was a game at a prize pool tournament at a shop a few weeks ago. TLDR version is that I went first got hit by 5 handtraps and the dude drew Snake-Eyes Ash and comboed off to end me. I decided right there that I LOVED not playing Yugioh and just staring at my phone for 20 minutes

[@MultiAmmar2000]

Game is too fast and complicated and takes too much time to keep up with. Same reason why it is hard to introduce someone new to yugioh, even when the fundamentals of the game are very intuitive. I doubt the price is the breaking point when a lot of other TCGs are more expensive.

[@theomegareviewer3766]

I still play the game, but cards like Dragoon, Ash, Mystic Mine, and the game speed . Keep me wondering why I keep torturing myself when I'm on a losing streak to the same 5 cards and variations on the same 3 decks to the point where I just don't have fun anymore.

[@Blarpozoom]

What made me drop the game is, as farfa said, "just draw the out", I noticed that when you do draw it there is a good chance that your opponent, after playing solitaire for 10 minutes, just scoop and quit, making it feels just wasted time, or I have to stay sit and suffer for 15 minutes as my opponent build the great wall of China with 30 negation and essentially lock me out of playing the game, it is just tiring. (funny story, in master duel, one time, as I saw that I didn't had any hand trap in hand, I decided to make myself a coffee, when I returned with the cup in hand I was in time to see him going end phase and the start of my turn, I was completely flabbersgasted)

[@bigfudge2031]

The problem with the game is that you don't play the game and the only answer is to run 20 hand traps, so neither player gets to play the game. No point wasting your time on this game when there are plenty of other games where everyone actually gets to play.

[@Blarpozoom]

@@bigfudge2031 the problem with yugioh is what is most appealing about it, the fact that there are no resources like mana point, where in other card game if you play against the world champion you will still be able to have a back and forth, in yugioh you don't. I have a friend that said to me that he doesn't like other card game that limit what you do with resources, when master duel released we played it togheter, and he soon quitted because he was tired of waiting 10 minutes doing nothing and then get everything stopped or negated.

[@sarperargun8862]

1. OP Cards 2. ridiculous card prices 3. Konamis greed Perfect mixture for a game we used to love

[@CatManThree]

All of these have always existed tho...

[@FrostReave]

@@CatManThree If anything it was so much worse back in the day. The market was so bad for such a long time to the point that only a small number in a large locals would even bring a tiered strategy excluding GOAT solely because no one else came to locals

[@webe9008]

nice try farfa...however you're forgetting something: it doesn't matter where you find your fun in this game, the problem isn't each and every problem, it's the fact that this video is 20 min long because there are all these problems combine, when it's not one, it's like 3 others at the same time, and while your crying about it, konami releases another problem. Remember kids, konami is a card selling company, not a game selling company, in there eyes us paying for the game, doesn't mean we are deserving of fun, only of the cardboard we purchased

[@MrMintyfreshsmell]

For me it's how the game plays. Having matches end in basically two turns is a real turn off. The meta of needing to have 20+ hand traps is insane. The game should have never power-crept this far. I enjoy matches that are back and forth for 5+ turns and Yu-Gi-Oh has done nothing but get further from that.

[@jonalocker51]

When he talked about floodgates it started raining😂

[@orga7777]

It is definitely time for me. I work second shifts mostly, and I work every Saturday, which is when my locals is. I haven't played in a year since that change, and I don't see it changing any time soon. Part of me is sad about it and I still try to keep up with the game a little bit to not be too out of the loop. but... coming back just isn't in the cards right now. I also just don't have the time to learn a new deck, which is why them putting Branded Fusion to 1 made me so angry earlier in the year. They didn't have to kill the deck like that when it wasn't that big a problem. That really burned my enthusiasm to try and change some of my hours to start playing again. Every time I dabble a bit in Master Duel, I just get so aggravated looking at my own deck lists and realizing "man... I could put so much more stuff in here to deal with the meta, but I can't because I have to keep playing all this crap for Maxx C." I am tired of the bug. I barely play MD now. I don't climb barely ever, I play events till all the Gems are gotten and then I stop. I don't even finish the Duel Passes much any more. I just try to play until I get the newest Mate and that is it now (even missed the Bon Fire one because it was lame and low-effort). Unless they ban Maxx C, I don't see that changing. I am sick of seeing it and playing with it for so long has made me hate the card more than ever. So Yugioh is just what it is at this point. I still get the itch to play, but time and money are not infinite. Oh well. Maybe it really is just time to move on.

[@pargustavsson712]

one thing you forgot to mention in the prize support segment; while games like pokemon have huge prize pools for the very top - thats the thing, you need to be on the very top to get those prizes. everyone else gets nada, a lot of pokemon players would love to have yugiohs entry pack system which guarantees they get atleast something and not just an entry mat.

[@otterfire4712]

Dragon Ball and One Piece have entry packs, packs containing rare cards and stamped regional reprints.

[@AWBM1993]

9:39 - So many duels I would've won if it weren't for Maxx "C."

[@Arki_Green]

I only “quit” yugioh between 2019-2021 only because I was a duel links player with no one to duel with. Only returned because I have a yugioh group now who just messes around with decks (oh and a bigger duel field and decks and more recent cards….. and infernoids)

[@daadirsjr5755]

Well, here is my argument: we know that a lot of the decks in the meta are turn-one decks that need to go first to set up a good board. The problem with this is that once they've gone first, they not only set up a strong board but also possibly-and definitely-have their hand traps ready. So, tell me, how are you supposed to deal with a full combo board like Snake Eye or Yubel, backed by Maxx "C", Ash Blossom, and Called by the Grave, veiler,if you didn`t open with your handtraps? What’s worse is that everyone wants to go first, Except (TENPAI). To address this, I think there should be a rule where players going first can’t activate any cards in their hand during their opponent’s turn. This would help balance things out

[@natalieeuley1734]

I had to stop playing because power creep was just too extreme. And like, if you have a game that is based on seasons, like Pokémon or Magic, you can skip a season or two and save up your money to get a bunch of cards and then come back. You can't really do that with Yugioh. Cards from older in the games history become staples eventually, so now you have to buy cards from older formats too. But the absolute core of your deck almost always has to be something newly released, because anything even a little too old isn't going to be powerful enough. It's a game that requires you to continously spend money and always keep up, making it less fair than other games.

[@theomegareviewer3766]

Sorry but if your solution to dealing with problematic cards that have harmed the game is to play problematic cards.....what

[@manueltmt]

I only recently tried Yu Gi Oh again after not having touched it since maybe 2006 or so. some of the new summoning mechanics are pretty neat, and a lot of the combos you can pull off nowadays are really cool. what I don't like is all the negates and hand traps. if I go second, my opponent may just have so many negates ready that I don't even get to play. and one time, I had my entire hand destroyed before even getting a turn. wild game these days

[@dusancookiewolf3024]

14:13 I relate to this one point a lot as of recent. For the longest time, my favorite deck has been Synchron, and I have been praying on the support that could fix its many problems, like needing some good in archetype bosses that aren't the level 12 synchroes. But then the new Crystron support came out, and I've been playing with it a lot, and it's the most fun I had with a deck since I first discovered Synchrons.

[@IXxJordan]

I stopped bothering because its just far too expensive, you can easily spend a couple hundred just for it to be nerfed or power crept within half a year. Then when that happens, you cant even really resell because everythings value is based on if its meta or not so you cant recoup any sort of value back. I have a few learning issues so by the time I get to the point of learning decks, they are no longer worth playing outside of just having fun with friends. This essentially just forces me to play basic decks with usually dont stay near the top that long.

[@khalebcanton]

I think one of the things that keeps me interested is the ability to splash archetypes together. Sure some cores can be expensive, but once you have those cores you have the ability to combine them into countless decks with countless play styles. Staples can be expensive too but again, once you have the main ones you can swap them between your decks.

[@Snusmumrikean]

Yugioh is just bad. >start game >opponent spends 10minutes playing cards on turn 1. Wow. Fun.

[@ryancier]

Nah come this Christmas I'm bringing 🐐 Goat back babyyyy

[@jujubeanz009]

The problem at its core is too much FREE special summoning and monsters that gain a lot of good effects from that. Hard “once per turn” clauses aren’t cutting it anymore. If yugioh stopped giving every special summonable monster the capability to play your entire deck, and made effects “special summon” or “normal summon” only effects then we wouldn’t be here but every starter has “if this card is NORMAL or SPECIAL summoned…” Also, let’s bring back “when” effects because missing timing would also stop chain blocking.

[@FrostReave]

Post POTE card design in a nutshell. Where every deck is given at least a single one card combo, not starter COMBO. Its not so much special summoning thats the problem but what these combo's actually do and look like and how few effort/cost is required As for when effects nothing ever happened to those. If its relevant its given a when effect (example Lady Labrynth or Paleozoics) the reason they arent given out randomly to cards anymore is because chains are such an important part of the game the majority of decks would cause themselves to miss timing its just not practical

[@ClarenceCRazor]

Its simple, for changing rules and putting out cards that summon summons with special abilities that give special abilities stopping play and negate negates and everyone overusing only meta decks

[@brandongeo2180]

I would come back to play IRL if they bring Rush Duel to the west.

[@laby1827]

You might as well say you will never come back, because I don't think we'll ever get Rush duel

[@TheArctus]

Reason number 1 should be because games are now 2 turns max...yugioh needs a major overhaul. You start with access to 20+ cards in hand, no limits, no resources, it's beyond stupid now. This is no longer a viable game

[@Nephalem2002]

The game doesn’t feel rewarding to play. The playerbase is extremely toxic, the gameplay has devolved into a Turn 0-2 negation fest, more so than it’s ever been, the prize pool is garbage and Konami hates its players.

[@nihil_est_divinum]

For me there isn't really an option: I'm the only one in my friend group that enjoys playing Yugioh (convinced one of my friends to buy some cards so we played together for a moment but that was months ago) and there's no events nearby where I live, to justify buying TCG cards, as I can't really find an opponent. Master Duel is my only go to, but there you either play the meta/ranked decks or you lose. Last Card Standing season 1 was soooo fun to me as I was able to find usage for some off-meta decks that are super fun to play, when I don't need to worry about getting negated and hand-trapped as the staples are banned. "You either play meta, or rogue deck long enough to see yourself playing Stun." - Harvey Dent from Batman

[@yugiohlegend]

I can’t justify driving an hour to locals just to play my control deck (trap lab) and wait for my opponent to combo off while 35 minutes of each match is my opponent playing and 10 minutes is me playing. On the flip side, if I were to play a combo deck (which I’m not a huge fan of), I’d still have to draw into hand traps or I lose. I’ll just cry about it tho

[@FrostReave]

Lab is one of those decks that has alot of turn 0 plays. I could get a bricky rogue deck that doesnt have the room for alot of handtraps having this argument but Lab seems like the most ironic poster child for this argument

[@mischiefcauser]

I quit Yugioh just last month after playing competitively for a few years due to a lot of the reason you listed. Frankly, I got sick of the TCG model of Yugioh with how expensive the game could get when the OCG is incredibly affordable. It's an incredibly toxic business practice done by Konami. Power creep with card design changing over the past couple of years also contributed for me to stop. However, ultimately, I realized how frustrating the game could be and that my love for the game just wasn't there anymore. It died over time because of how fast the game was compared to other games. Lose the dice roll? Ouch. Didn't draw enough handtraps or board breakers? That sucks even more. It's the feeling of helplessness and frustration when you really can't do anything and you lose the game by default.The game is objectively too fast. I started playing a couple other TCGs like Pokemon, One Piece, and Magic and realized how much more fun and interactive those games were compared to Yugioh. With Yugioh, your goal is to basically set up such a powerful, unbreakable board state that your opponent literally can't play the game when it is their turn. I am glad other people can still find enjoyment in this game, and I hope they continue to have a lot of fun dueling despite Yugioh's glaring issues. For me, I reached my breaking point and have moved onto other TCGs, and I am much happier for it.

[@cyberdrache8416]

I can live with some decks being expensive. But I blame Konami for making generic staples expensive

[@dariuspenner2528]

You can blame them for the rarity, but the price is a community thing. Wanted was $40 when it first came out because no one thought the SE cards would be good before Poplar got revealed. The Diabellstar engine at that point was used exactly in Rescue Ace. The card then proceeded to peak at $140 during pure SE format with Baronne and Savage legal. Konami has also made generic staples like Ash accessible guaranteed in structure decks and those literal common printings ended up going for $10+ apiece. The common print of Ash spiked above the MSRP of the Soul Burner structure deck and people were buying it just for the Ash. Bystials were all supers and were $20+ each during Tear format. Fenrir was an ultra and was $70 apiece on release. When Talents and Droplet came out people overhyped Talents and under hyped Droplet. Droplet was like $60 apiece on release whole Talents was closed to $100. People then realized Talents sucked that format and Droplet was incredible and Droplet spiked to $140. There’s also loads of awful secrets that end up entirely worthless. I remember seeing so many complaints when people would pull a TG Trident Launcher as one of their secrets from a box because the thing was only a couple dollars. The community ultimately determines the secondary market. Rarity can help drive up the price, but a good card would still be crazy expensive regardless.

[@connermorgan9223]

To your point about the gameplay loop, it’s also all fixed in Time Wizard formats. In retro yugioh we don’t have 10 minute cutscenes. You’re summoning a guy and setting traps. You’re maybe making a singular synchro summon or summoning a monarch. All still with the fundamental mechanics and no mana restrictions that we like about YGO

[@esrohm6460]

with that 2014 time wizard format they had in master duel i realized just how absurdly more fun old school yugioh is. like i don't hate modern yugioh but man yugioh from 10 years ago might as well be it's own separate game. there really was a sweet spot of yugioh around the pendulum era despite that mechanic itself ironically being awful for the game

[@bigfudge2031]

Power creep killed this game.

[@ralman88]

I quit modern yugioh because the game got way too expensive for me just to lose the next big deck. Also I rarely play Edison format nowadays too, I catch up from time to time, but there is no time to really play with irl cards.

[@ExceedinglyFPR]

thing that made me quit is 15-30+ minute turns, it's not fun to just sit there watching someone else play. and the go second Otk strats like numeron and tenpai aren't much better. i enjoy the back and forth and yu-gi-oh has lacked that for some time.

[@demacry]

How many years has it been where your response to peoples' complaints about the turn 1 focus of the game can be boiled down to "That's the game, why don't you try adapting and getting good"? I suppose when your audience is mostly a revolving door of new players you don't really need to think any deeper. Nice to know one of the biggest content creators for the game hasn't played the modern format properly in 6 months for "reasons".

[@chrisjack6944]

I quit Yu-Gi-Ohh after realising that I love playing Mikanko... Don't worry, I am now getting therapy!

[@zebesr338]

Western Yu-Gi-Oh (TCG) always suffered from severe mismanagement