Why Persona 5 (And Other Games) SUCKED as Anime

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[@kingbash6466]

It's crazy how both Persona 5 and Danganronpa have such a hard time with anime adaptations considering that they were literally created to appeal to fans of that medium.

[@thomasffrench3639]

It’s like the Uncharted movie

[@mattwo7]

Persona 5 was made by a sub-studio of A-1 and A-1 did P4GA and Ace Attorney (as well as Fate/Apocrypha and SAO but the source material for those was garbage anyway)

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@mattwo7 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@mysmallnoman]

@@mattwo7 it wasn't garbage lol

[@mattwo7]

@@mysmallnoman Good animation is all A-1 has going for them, every other aspect of those shows is garbage.

[@hootsoot1036]

I just wanna bring up that the Persona 4 anime is genuinely one of the funniest pieces of media I've ever watched and I'd highly recommend that to y'all!

[@nhlcbj]

I just beat P3P and started watching the 4 anime movies. While it’s subs only so far they’re pretty good

[@dailydoseofvitaminc6565]

People only really talk about the comedy, but P4 anime is genuinely a much better story than the game. Pretty much every major emotional moment, especially the scene with Namatame in the hospital and the Adachi fight, is dramatically improved by having Yu be a real character

[@CosmicIsDead]

the tropes are so extreme dispite me watching one piece i found it unfunny as hell

[@joshuakolton9955]

Wish I would’ve recorded that.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@joshuakolton9955 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@UltraPaperGamer]

The Persona 4 Anime, the original game, Is actually the perfect adaptation from Videogame to Anime because it adds more context and explores new scenarios not seeing in the game, on top of the protagonist, Yu Narukami having the best dialogue in the entire cast. It also explores episodes with interesting dynamics like "What if the group split out making the protagonist feel absolutly depressed" or "What do other characthers think of the protagonist WHEN HE'S DOING ALL THE SIDEQUEST AT THE SAME TIME" That shit is AMAZING, No other Persona adaptation does this and is really sad, because P4 Animation is legit one of the best ways to expirience Persona 4, something that no other adaptation of the franchise has done since then.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

Frick now I've GOTTA watch it

[@ddjsoyenby]

exactly.

[@mattwo7]

Aside from the first part of the P3 movie, also the only one done by Anime International Company (who also did Tenchi Muyo (also Tokimeki Memorial Only Love based on the old Tokimeki Memorial dating sim series but I have no clue if it's any good)). P4GA and P5A are A-1's fault.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@mattwo7 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@crazyjay8007]

Yes I was just about to comment this what they did there was special no cap 🧢

[@jasoninkurai5463]

If you want to know how most people in the fanbase treat the adaptations, P4A is really enjoyed P5A is just as you said The Persona 3 films elevates the main story and themes of the original game. They realized the issues the P5A didn't and really focused on the main team, the story and it's themes, and the importance of Tarturus, Strega, and Shadows as obstacles.

[@sleepier9433]

P4A is extremely quotable

[@ddjsoyenby]

agreed i really loved the persona 3 films and vanilla 4.

[@SilvarusLupus]

I adore the P4 anime, I have the DVDs and every episode has a Japanese cast commentary. Fuck the Golden anime though, except for the Adachi episode that one was good. Also the Christmas episode, because Naoto was hilarious.

[@jasoninkurai5463]

@Illumix I should clarify Where P4A and P3M did right, P5A went wrong. P5A learned the wrong lessons from what the other adaptations did right.

[@Silent_Mochi]

While I haven't seen much of p3 movies (trying to finish the game first) The main reason the P4A anime is amazing because it feels like a love letter and a somewhat extention to the original persona 4 game While it is the same plot as P4, it adapts everything really well to the point where some scenes in the anime I'd argue is better than how it is portrayed in the game (Nanako and Dojimas relationship, the car chase, Revealing of the killer, the choice in December) These scenes take advantage of the fact this is an anime adaptation and changes them up to either make it flow better or expand on our characters It's also just really really funny

[@SharpestSniper99]

Actually Joker in game has more personality than one would think. On his own he is quiet and reserved in reality, meanwhile in the metaverse he clearly enjoys what he does as a phantom thief and is flamboyant as fuck. Which the anime COULD have worked into its format (heck P4’s did it with Yu Narukami). The problem is that whoever made it was too lazy to properly flesh out Joker’s personality into the anime format to make it work properly, and all the blank slate bits of his in game that needed to be changed accordingly were left as they are, and all the characters still end up speaking for himself when the anime COULD have let him do it all on his own.

[@amarant1275]

The problem here is Atlus. Soejima said in an interview that they went "too far" with Yu after see how the fandom talk about him (something that I don´t understand because people love his personality) so they decided to keep Joker as blank slate as possible.

[@SharpestSniper99]

@@amarant1275 that is odd.

[@amarant1275]

@@SharpestSniper99 It is but that was his answer. If you pay attention Joker is always under the player control in the spinoffs even in Q2 where in the previous Q you control the P3 and P4 casts and see how the other MC behaves when isn´t under your control. Atlus prefers the blank slate for Joker and that is sad, he has a lot of personality in his game.

[@TheJadedJames]

@@amarant1275 Yeah, that is ridiculous. I was eager to see Joker get the exact same treatment Narukami got, because he was awesome and basically my gold standard for adapting a silent protagonist

[@amarant1275]

@@TheJadedJames Same here, I was totally dissapointed. Joker shows more personality in the talk that he has with Makoto and Yu in one of the concerts than in the anime/spinoffs.

[@misterzygarde6431]

Honestly the dub is the one saving grace of Persona 5 the Animation. Honestly they should’ve made it a two season affair as to give them more time.

[@WSendam]

Persona 4 was really funny 😅 but I don’t know if anybody really agrees with me also the P5 dub didn’t really save it for me personally

[@rensretry]

The voice actors did such a good job on it (special props to Max Mittlemen, Ryuji’s voice actor and the rest of the cast) it’s just such a shame that the anime itself was pretty shitty since the voice actors absolutely killed it

[@ChubuPeng]

@@WSendam i loved p4 anime

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@ChubuPeng Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@ChubuPeng]

@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 ?

[@mayborneflower]

16:46 - Thanks for reminding me that the Mementos Missions manga is a thing. It’s a spin-off manga about the Phantom Thieves tackling some new PhanSite requests and other Phantom Thief things that mostly weren’t in the games shortly prior to dealing with Sae’s Palace. We see stuff like Joker being a sleep-deprived shambling wreck, the Phantom Thief girls working at maid cafe (and sucking at it), Sae putting her discussed but never demonstrated martial arts training to use, and Mika of all characters being likable for once. It’s a blast and the art is absolutely gorgeous.

[@smoker5989]

The Mementos Mission manga was the Joker (Ren Amamiya) the anime should have instead of the blank slate he is there.

[@hhfggvogtthehy6451]

I feel like most video games adaptions fail because it is VERY hard to make an 16 hour long story into a 22 minute per episode series and have it make basic sense.

[@ddjsoyenby]

yup one of the few that did it right was tlou.

[@xolotltolox7626]

really depends on the length of the series, UBW was quite successful with adapting the 15-20 hour route into a 2-cour series. Whereas the choice of turning the longest route Heaven's Feel into a movie trilogy is questionable, to say the least

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

​@@xolotltolox7626 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@ExpertTerminal]

Persona 4 did that very well, but it's a PS2 game that had less "content" than P5 so they had a lot of creative liberties

[@pn2294]

If the show had 52 episodes, it would’ve been more plausible.

[@Lucatrocity]

Whats funny is that everything you described that would fix the P5 anime actually DOES happen in the P4 Anime Yu is an actual character, the pacing is pretty good, and there are actual changes compared to the game story to where I’d argue its a much more enjoyable way to experience that story

[@ndprod.animationenthusiast9376]

Basically. To an extent, same with the P3 movies (though, it had a slower pacing for the purposes of the buildup and most of the confidants are reduced to cameos/background characters).

[@sdbzfan1]

I love the way summoning new personas work in P4, whatever s-link Narukami is working on at the moment a persona of that arcana shows up in the same or following episode Saving Nanako with Koryu and Sraosha only works because the past 2 episodes were about Dojima and Nanako which also works because in game around the time you get Naoto is when you should be finishing Dojima and Nanako's S-Links

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@sdbzfan1 I've gotta watch it then

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@tenacity3627]

​@@sdbzfan1 iirc it's similar in P3M. After every Arcana boss is defeated, Makoto is able to use a Persona of that Arcana later on. Example: He was able to use Jack Frost (Magician Arcana) during the fight against Priestess after defeating Magician.

[@shinespriteditto]

I really liked the English Dub of P5 and the P4 anime is absolutely hilarious and gives a lot more character to the protagonist that’s missing in the game. I feel like unlike some other adaptations, these anime only work in the sense that the only people who would enjoy it is people that already played and liked the games, where as it should be used as a way to bring more people into the games via the anime-

[@sdbzfan1]

I'm personally ok with anime adaptations being for the people that played it rather than trying to get new people into the thing Nier and now Atelier Ryza look to be just that and honestly I think its better that way, you focus less on pleasing everyone and just like the games appeal to those that want to be here

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@sdbzfan1 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 I'm sorry what?

[@matthewmurray8977]

​@sdbzfan1 it's a Spam bot.

[@LowIntSpecimen]

The dub was the only saving grace of the P5 anime, because that cast is a treasure

[@XYZaffair0]

3:50 so fun fact. The reason the original Mario movie was so different from the games was actually explained by the directors. A very important scene at the end was cut out by the producers, where two executives from Nintendo show up at Mario and Luigi’s apartment and want to hear their story because it ends up on the news. The point is that they adapt what was told to them by the brothers into the first Mario video game, which loses a lot of the details. The movie would then be framed as, “what really happened” with Mario and Luigi against Bowser, and that the NES game didn’t tell the whole story.

[@ghoulchan7525]

and apperandly the two directors went way over board and were narcissists, trying to make it High art. but in the process lost the fact it was based on a simple game...

[@Ramsey276one]

So both sides blew it...

[@Man_of_Tomorrow]

I think Super Mario Bros the movie is alright considering it had everything going against it. It's a live action movie based on a very rudimentary story, made in the early 90s. As an SMB movie its not what people were looking for, it fails as that. But as an insane 'how does this movie exist', wacky sci fi fantasy comedy adventure its pretty fun if you don't take it seriously. And I think thats mainly the problem, people take that stuff waaaay too seriously. I mean for kids in the 90s, fair enough, it's nothing like the games, so we were confused and hated it. But I think they did the best with what they were tasked with, and the world in the film is definitely inventive and the sets and special effects are pretty cool. I'm glad it exists.

[@ihavenohotcocoa6101]

The Ace Attorney anime actually did start leaning away from the main plot in season 2! A mixture of all the flashback episodes and the completely original case they created help it feel more like it's own thing, and those small changes really made it shine in my eyes. (Yes, the flashback episodes are technically filler, but I think they offer so much to the world and characters that it doesn't really matter) (i am an Ace Attorney fan btw, the games are easily in my top ten)

[@FelisImpurrator]

*start leaning, I think that should be.

[@ihavenohotcocoa6101]

@@FelisImpurrator oh, yup! thank you

[@mupty]

This anime was a guilty pleasure for me in the English dub. Would love them to adapt the other games.

[@mattwo7]

10:06 In P4tA Yu has an actual personality: They gave him the funniest dialogue options. These are made _even funnier_ because of the stoic delivery on all his lines. He's not really voiced much in the game so the anime actually adds more value to the character.

[@mikomakowski7907]

Persona 4 is honestly really good. It has similar pacing issues at some moments *cough teddie cough* but you’ll almost never notice it due to how hilarious it is. They gave Yu such a chad character, and the summer episode, where yu went through like, 5 separate social links at once, is done so perfectly due to it being mostly from nanako’s perspective before we see the actual context. Overall, I’d say it was a wonderful adaptation to watch, showing off the funny quirks of each character, while eating a wonderful Aiya rainy day beef bowl

[@2maka5u]

I thought I was crazy for loving the summer episodes so much when I recently saw it for the first time, def a couple of my favs (aside from the true finale and the Dojima/Nanako episode). I think it worked better because the overall story was less dense/less moving parts compared to p5, and allowed space for some fun “filler” episodes to cover social link stuff

[@luigiboi4244]

I realized that everyone has apparently forgotten that there is a Netflix original CASTLEVANIA ANIME. AND IT'S AWESOME.

[@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053]

Mostly because that one is Western and thus not anime

[@falconeshield]

​@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 Avatar and Korra were fine too, anime inspired cartoons are fine

[@seanibarra-loredo7290]

​@@falconeshieldWell, Avatar is.

[@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053]

@@falconeshield I know, and I never said that, I just said that they aren't anime and thus have no reason to be mentioned in a video about anime adaptations

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

Just like all the comments are already saying, the P4 anime is great. But I also think the P3 movie series is also great and definitely deserves a watch too!

[@WillTheGreatest]

Wish that got a dub

[@ndprod.animationenthusiast9376]

Seconded on both.

[@Burns_RED]

What did they do differently for that one?

[@mattwo7]

@@Burns_RED It wasn't made by A-1 (CloverWorks is a sub-studio)

[@Burns_RED]

@@mattwo7 That no doubt helps

[@Santoryu90]

It’s kinda sad since the P3 movies and the P4 anime were much more well regarded. I guess they couldn’t replicate that with P5. Also, I thought the Ace Attorney anime was fine.

[@nahte123456]

In fairness P3 is a much more basic story in general. I think it's the BEST story, but best doesn't mean complex. P3 focuses on the main team and fighting Shadows, along with overcoming apathy and depression. Heavy stuff but not that complex. Movie 1 starts with the MC literally asking why you'd be afraid of dying, and end of the movies is the whole team fighting desperately to survive and save people. That's really not hard to translate. P4 is more impressive to me honestly. I don't like P4 as much as P3, like at all just to be clear. But the fact that it was able to take a much wider story of characters interactions and mysteries and other worlds, and make it work is really impressive.

[@Santoryu90]

@@nahte123456 Whichever game you personally thought had the best story, I’d say Persona 4 was the one that had the most basic and “normal” story compared to the other games.

[@nahte123456]

@@Santoryu90 except it's a mystery. Mysteries need certain beats to work, foreshadowing and red herrings and investigations. Which by its nature, even if I think the mystery is just not well done, requires more.

[@Santoryu90]

@@nahte123456 Don’t really see where you’re coming from with some of that, especially since the game did have foreshadowing and red herrings but each their own. I like both games, but whichever one you prefer in terms of story Persona 3 was a bit more complex and dealt with darker and mature themes, while Persona 4 is more light-hearted and deals with softer and lighter themes by comparison.

[@nahte123456]

@@Santoryu90 ? Because I'm talking about the adaption process as was made clear in the first comment, not the games. Like, I think you mixed my comment up with something else, I haven't talked about how the games tell the stories at all here.

[@darmitan1339]

One this that the games do is that, even if you can still make the protagonist a reflection of yourself, they still have their own personalities in some way. Maya (Persona 2 Eternal Punishment protag) and Tatsuya (Persona 2 Innocent Sin protag) both protagonist at some point, but they not only have a game where you can see their personalities, but their dialogue options leave clear that maya is a really positive and old sister type of character, and tatsuya is reserve, calm, and with clear passions (Motorcycle boy). Makoto (Persona 3 protag) is clearly represent as an emo and introvert in both games and anime, and Narukami (Persona 4 protag) is represent in the anime is so iconic that some scenes in the anime are almost or even more iconic that the game counterparts just because narukami alone (Kings game best example). That’s why Akira (or ren) is so disappointing in the anime, because they already know who to give some personality to previous protags without losing the immersive yourself part.

[@Dae-D-Ellis]

I freaking love P4A, godlike. I love what they did for Yu Narukami. They used the fact he is an RPG Self-Insert Protag for a lot of humor and characterization. He's a treat to watch and the fact Joker's Swagger was shot in the foot for the Anime is the most frustrating thing to me

[@Mangakamen]

Persona 4 the animation (not golden) is actually considered a good adaptation.

[@GameFrankAdvance]

Persona 4 the Animation is pretty good but its probably best if you've played the game already, since one of its best parts is the personality it gave the silent protag. So good they folded in that personality into all the spin off games. It's not a replacement for the story but a good companion piece and adds to p4 moving foward.

[@AlecMeyer94]

Ace Attorney, Bayonetta, and Devil May Cry were great video game adaptations as a anime.

[@Ramsey276one]

Agreed Not because I like the games XD

[@limewater4074]

You kidding? The Devil May Cry anime was painfully mediocre, I hope the Netflix adaptation is better.

[@1313hman]

Strange thing about this is that while Joker's thoughts and actions are determined by the players, his general body language, his 'memorable' dialogue options (just the fact that Joker has the potential to say certain things says a lot about him), and the main story + possible endings gives more than enough to build a cohesive character (conceptual spoilers for one of the game's possible endings used as a point of discussion if you expand the comment, though definitely not anything that would spoil the entire game, just as a heads up). If I were to say "Joker is a good person, but loves to show off and act smug and often take risks that can put himself or others in danger." I'm pretty sure most people would get behind me, and while that alone isn't exactly a unique character it is enough to work with and make a perfectly serviceable main character that you can build on. If you want some extra drama you could even sprinkle in some extra entitlement and ego growth over the story for him to struggle with (as one of the possible endings involves him pretty much selling everyone out to stay in the spotlight as a hero), and I'm sure that most people would agree to that as well.

[@sarafontanini7051]

hell he's the only persona protag with voiced lines that AREN"T "persona!" even if they're still few and far between.

[@Bag2218]

The main problem always comes down to length. Persona 5 and Danganronpa both should have been *at least* two season long stories. And even that might not be enough, depending on how long said seasons are. But, unfortunately, I don't think being faithful (or even good) adaptations were the priority with these projects. They're there to sell more merchandise to fans and drum up interest in the games to people who hadn't experienced them before. And...it kinda worked. I never would have even known about the Danganronpa games if I hadn't watched the anime first. So...in that sense, I guess it's worth it. But....man I still wish these adaptations had more care put into them. They really could have been nice alternatives for people who wanted to experience the stories but didn't want to play 100+ hour long RPGs and visual novels in order to do so. I have so many friends that I know would love Persona and Danganronpa, but I also know that the only good way to experience those characters and stories is through a medium that they wouldn't particularly care for.

[@masonstewart6232]

I agree with everything you said about the P5 anime, but I also gotta say the P4 anime is really good and surprisingly funny. The still have plenty of interactions with the characters, the dungeons are explored more, there are quite a few new scenes that were original and not reused from the game, the main character has a personality and is a chad, and the pacing feels way better since we are given more time to focus on the main cast instead of just copying every second of the original game. It was really fun to watch and I really recommend watching it to see a Persona anime done good.

[@hoangkienvu7572]

For real. Yu is such a sheltered dope in the anime that you can't help but love him. And he clearly has strong feelings for his friends and families. That's a good way to interpret a silent protagonist.

[@Burns_RED]

The opening as it progressed WAS cool though. I love Dark Sun.

[@elinfini]

The _only_ good thing to come out of P5A, really.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@elinfini Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@elinfini]

​@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 I'm flattered, but I'm not an alt of Just Stop (lol).

[@Chiakiandmikanarebest]

I agree with p5 the animation being terrible, but p4's original anime is really good, p4 has a much simpler plot and focuses more on characters, I don't want to spoil too much from the game but there was less that they had to cover and they still did a pretty good job with the main plot. Hell they even gave the protagonist an arc that wasn't in the game. It's also legitimately a very funny show, honestly funnier than the game, the english dub is fantastic as well, especially johnny yong bosch as yu. They also do manage to mostly capture the same emotions the game did, a scene near the end gets me to cry every time in the game no matter how much I play it, and it got me in the show, hell there was even a new scene that got to me. It's definitely not a replacement for the game I still think the game is better, social link characters are much more fleshed and like most megaten games p4g is a really fun rpg, so definitely play the game first, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the show after playing it. As for p4g the animation I haven't seen it, but I haven't heard the best things about it, it only has 13 episodes and focuses on the new character in Golden that no one really cared about.

[@calebkimmings3905]

Honestly the p4 animation is damn good because they ignore a lot of the mechanics as there is no flair to them, so there is no time spent on them that is used instead for plot and character moments

[@wilsonsauls2899]

Something that really bugged me is knowing people who never gave Persona 5 a shot because they decided to watch the anime instead and didn’t like what they saw, so they assumed the game must suck too

[@sdbzfan1]

The P4 anime was great, Infact it made one of the most impactful moments in the game way better(Hospital scene) I wonder why P5 felt so forced to be the way it was, most people expected something similar to the Daybreakers OVA and honestly, if the anime felt more like that or even some of the more down to earth stuff like Kawakami trying on swimsuits in her hotel before Haru walks in, it would have been at the very least memorable

[@SnuSnuDungeon]

This makes me wish they would give the Ys series another go at an anime adaptation. The only one we got was from 1989 to 1991 and only covered the first games

[@PaintSplashProductions]

I could see a P5 adaption working if they had someone like Edgar Wright as director and actually get people who care about Persona. Hell they could use the different worlds to their advantage, like maybe the real world is live action while the palaces are 2d or 3d or the real world is 3d and the palaces are 2d. So many ideas the people doing the anime didn’t have time to think of

[@chicken0w044]

Oh god no, wreck that train of thought

[@fireheart1231]

@@chicken0w044 Nah, he might be on to something. I actually kinda want to see a show try something like that again. Code Lyoko did it, so why not an anime? (Doesn't necessarily need to be Persona doing it though)

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@fireheart1231 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@fireheart1231]

@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 ? Do I know you?

[@sapphicjade6375]

@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 ?????

[@enzokalani]

Ironically I do think Joker does have some clear personality of his own in the game that you can see most of the time, and it's really nice, but then they remove those nicer notes and hints in the show.

[@mediahistory7515]

I'm glad you got around to playing Persona 5 and I hope you will make more video relating to it and other video games!

[@DatHypnoboi]

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of the teams making adaptations of gaming franchises don't understand that there are a lot of aspects of games that only work because they're in games. The silent protagonist is something you see pretty commonly in RPGs, and it works because they're a stand-in for the player. They don't need a clearly defined personality because the player is their personality, but that isn't something that you can do in an adaptation. There's no interactivity for the viewer to connect to the main character, and so the protagonist who can be anyone instead becomes the protagonist who is no one

[@FedoraKirb]

Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva and Kat’s Mystery Solving Files were the one-two punch that got me to try out the Layton games. Currently making my way through Diabolical Box after beating Curious Village, and I’m really enjoying it. I think what makes Eternal Diva work is that it’s basically a Layton game, with puzzles baked into the world while solving a mystery, but it tells it’s own original, canon story, with some minor structure changes to have it better fit the movie medium. But the format of the games makes it fit for adaptation since you can actually still participate in the puzzles and mystery anyway due to the Visual Novel-esque style of the games. As for Kat’s Mystery Solving Files, it’s a more direct adaptation of the 12 cases Millionaires’ Conspiracy while also having new cases and an original story arc as well. The game is already more episodic in nature compared to the Professor’s games, and once again the viewer is given a chance to participate in the mystery and puzzles, preserving some of the interactivity without making the adaptation a slave to it.

[@StrawberryShorty]

I did some videos on the Kat series that I plan to continue, but it's early episodes are definitely not winning me over.

[@jvts8916]

Persona 5 The Animation is a perfect example of why skipping "the boring bits" isn't always a good idea. Another anime that also trimmed too much is Blazblue's, where they shortened two infamously hard to follow games into *four episodes*

[@ftrwrwbg]

Persona 4 anime is great. Also the Despair half of End of Hope’s Peak is pretty good.

[@Ramsey276one]

Ah The OTHER 3 of Danganronpa...

[@ahmadmanga]

I enjoyed Side:Despair but it suffers the same problem that a lot of these anime face. It tried to tell too much in a little time... I also wished that the villain manipulated each person differently not give all of them despair at the same time. I also enjoyed Side:Hope and I'm glad for that to be the finale for Danganronpa 2.

[@cameussmith]

It's not, it's really not.

[@asclepius29k]

Know this comment is late but, I'd honestly be happy to watch you deconstruct and talk about the narratives and stories of games as well as the usual tv shows and movies. I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and opinions on this kind of stuff, so I think it'd be interesting to see you try doing a video about something that usually has a much longer runtime than a show or movie.

[@mattwo7]

1:13 In the US anyway. Bad anime adaptations are usually an exception and there's plenty of anime that didn't even bother adapting the games or only did so loosely, like the Mario, Sonic and Mega Man OVAs. Also sort of the Animal Crossing movie but I mean, how do you even adapt Animal Crossing? Pokemon was more of a loose adaptation too and Yo-Kai Watch didn't even try (though the first movie was pretty close to the plot of the second game and a million times better than the anime series itself (this became a trend for the movies), which is honestly kind of sad but the Shadowside anime is good and Y School Heroes is just okay) and Mega Man NT Warrior also loosely adapted the games (the manga is closer to the games but also a loose adaptation).

[@Aggron_Ghost1221]

The dub of persona 5 the animation is the saving grace imo

[@mattwo7]

4:13 The Great Mission to Rescue Princess Peach says hi. It may not be on the same level as the new movie (I mean it WAS on a direct-to-video budget) but still a far more faithful adptation, even if it was a loose one.

[@xSweetKyandi]

General consensus on the Persona Anime Adaptations: P3 Movies: Decent to Really good. Depends on if you liked certain changes, and your tolerance for the pacing due to a 4 Movie limit. >> Example; Myself and many others are not the biggest fan of the characterization of the MC, as I feel like they went a bit "to hard" in one aspect you could read of his character. Plus it doesn't even remotely match any other adaptation of MC's personality in other P3 media (Manga/Audio Drama's/PQ1&2/Stage Play/or even P3D despite "having the same name").-- However many people also love this ver. of the P3MC. However, I...like many people, love the additions of scenes for main cast characters that lacked screen time in game. Or alternate versions of scenes to better suit a movie format. Animation is stellar, and OST is always good. ------------------ P4 The Animation: Very well liked. Has it's issues, but they keep the charm from the game & main cast & expand on it full throttle. So much so that most people don't even mind the flaws. LMAO P4 Golden The Animation: Overall disliked like P5's adaptation. If I recall there are specific episodes that aren't bad. However the overall quality & writing is much worse than P4A. ------------------ P5 The Animation: Pretty much universally hated outside of the Music & the Akechi specific Specials/OVA's (as they came out before P5 Royal), for a lot of the same reasons you listed here. Though tbh Joker in P5/P5R arguably has more personality in-game than the anime (kinda feels like they just gave him all the default "neutral" game answers as his "personality"). LMAO

[@GunmetalGator]

Persona 4 the Animation is what makes the comparison to 5's adaptation worse... we had gold for one adaptation and then given up when the more popular spinoff came up. It was a sight to be disappointed. Check out P4 and laugh like you cant laugh anymore at possibly the oldest good rep of VG Anime.

[@Burns_RED]

What did it do differently? It had the exact same hurdles to overcome.

[@GunmetalGator]

@@Burns_RED Less plot to handle since it wasn't as much information thanks to its setting and used it to its advantage making a slice of life comedy with a slice of murder mystery to hold together the plot drippings but alter them enough to give it a different yet similar experience and showing the emotional growth of the victim which isn't shown at all in the incident. Plus giving the main character a comedic identity to bounce off everyone else makes the journey feel more like an actual character's journey to becoming a multifacet savior of the small town makes it memorable for a story as well.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@GunmetalGator Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@randomgamestoexplain4379]

9:53 I actually disagree with this sense, he does have a personality and is his own person. While he is meant to insert yourself onto him, I wouldn't call him a complete blank slate, especially when each protag has a personal personality to them. What the p5 anime did was pick his dialog options.

[@Weskalia]

*Read title* Gungrave has entered the chat

[@staticshock7401]

True the Gungrave anime is a masterpiece. Consider the source materials, I didn't expect much but after finishing the anime, boy was I wrong.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@staticshock7401 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@Cearns9219]

I agree with your assessment on the P5 Anime. I feel like it was so laser focused on getting through the story that it misses out on what makes Persona interesting. I was especially annoyed that it mentions the confidants and yet doesn't explore them aside from their beginnings. Overall, if you want to experience Persona 5, play Royal. However, I would highly recommend watching the Persona 4 Anime. It does a much better job telling the story and developing the characters and even takes break during the plot to focus on Social Links. Plus, Yu Narukami is much more developed in the anime than Ren was in his. That being said, I disagree with you on Ace Attorney being a poor adaptation. I watched it from beginning to end and I think it tackles each of the cases from the trilogy fairly accurately, including character dynamics, interactions, and story developments. It even has a few episodes that focus on entirely new content that gives further context into certain relationships and even an entirely original case from scratch. That's just me though, if you weren't a fan, I respect that.

[@RamaDeeZ]

Bro you literally find every possible way to put Assassination Classroom in your videos somehow, will we ever get an Ass Class retrospec? would really love that.

[@kgmaster9421]

i enjoy your videos especially im not a big fan on anime but i do watch anime with my sister time to time as she a big fan, but i do love your topics and analyzing stuff like this, because videos like this make ether people or fans could be writing something that's more official then actual official things being released. this may be a shock i love the super Mario live action movie for being so bonkers. and like you said not much to add from the games at the time but i recommend the making on that film as that was bonkers like the movie itself and number of issues though out the movie being made and saved in the end , and over the years game adaptations like the 90s street fighter movie and many others like it didn't do so well but the first mortal Kombat movie was successful but forced to be pg-13 then half way finished in production they got the ok to have more violence and gore and they add what they can in a few days but video game movies like that may have issues but the complaints have reasons within the production in those movies in the making, street fighter, 2000s tomb raider, silent hill 2005 , 2005 doom, resistant evil movies, the video game movie adaptations some end up being much more enjoyable then at the time, because later we get ether worse reboots or remakes of trying to fix but ether become boring or woke , but some being even better like the mario movie coming soon , but most of the game adaptations that overshadowed of awful ones from Uwe Boll as he tried to grab everything as he could and put a bad taste of everyone hating the idea of movie game adaptations , the adaptation of assassin creed's movie i actually enjoy as its not awful but i think a tv show should work better in fact we need more tv shows based on the games ,instead of shoehorning things in one movie, or have movies set as sequels like the fnaf movie will be, and lot of people need to realize you can't have a complete copy of everything from the game , some changes here and there and add something that's interesting or make a character even more creepy but fits within that make the game and show or movie refreshing. and enjoy different experiences by playing the game and watching the movie/show, good example is the last of us show. and there's a saying on videogames don't need to be movies because they are movies but interactive and you control the experience , but that's an entirely different can of worms of a discussion

[@FrenzyB866]

Since p5 is so big and heavily focus on story telling by interactions and environment, why not make each palace a season? Give them time to flesh out each arc and throw in some character interactions in between while learning about the palace and enemy.

[@bencundiff9405]

Yea fr just do that if they re-did the anime for royal. I can imagine it now it could be amazing but it would require alot of work, care and detail.

[@kakimari_art]

... greenlight a show for 9 seasons? thats hard enough for shows that have a better 1 to 1 with manga but thats a giant ask of studios these days. nice to think about but not... realistic at all

[@emmychansuper]

I would go and say that Brotherhood Final Fantasy XV really wanted me to actually play the game, it expanded the lore about the main party. That's something that Persona 5 Animation should have done

[@ArtTheGaleWind]

bro the persona 4 anime and the person 3 quadrilogy are genuinely very praised, Persona 5 the animation is really the only outliar somehow

[@mrkaji8913]

14:59 I really hope it does become possible to do that

[@thedragonwithaknife]

I will admit that I did know both Joker's manga and anime names but not because I ever read the manga or watched past episode 2(I think) of the anime. It's because of the amount of fanfic I read at the height of my Persona 5 obsession which of course involved Joker and would use one of those two names in the fics and I read so many that the names got stuck in the back of my head

[@RenovatedLee]

Arcane is also a great example of adapting a universe rather than a specific game's story, especially when League is focused entirely on gameplay.

[@jemma927]

I've always found that if a game is very long with interconnected narratives and character, with an anime with less that 25 episodes I get concerned for the content and the whole adaptation. Danganronpa being a big example for me and I'd recommend NezumiVA's video on the anime adaptation as she goes into its history and how it failed and possible reasons. She's also did a retrospective for the series as a whole, highly recommend that also!!

[@Screedawg77]

One adaptation I really like is Hyperdimension Neptunia: The Animation. The showrunners clearly understood the stories, characters, world and appeal of the two canon games at the time, MK II and Victory, and told their own original version of events that naturally brough about similar conflicts and moments from the games. While one scene in the anime might be shot for shot from the game, the before and after of the scene are completely different while still feeling natural.

[@adenlarios]

Danganronpa making the first few installments in the series video games and then making the final installment an anime is like if the first two movies in the original Star Wars trilogy were movies, and the third movie was a book.

[@Barakon]

Can you review Jing: King of Bandits?

[@GrowingDownUnder]

Gungrave is actually one of the best anime ever made of all time and it was based off a video game. Not all game anime were bad...some were pretty good tbh like danganrompa, devil may cry anime, cyberpunk edgerunners, god eater, canaan, king of fighters another day, monster farm, shingeki no bahamut genesis, pokemon, tekken blood vengeance, tears to tiara, etc

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

P4 the Animation is hilarious.

[@mattwo7]

5:48 P4tA was well-received but not P4GA (which had a completely different studio, the infamous A-1 Pictures who also did Ace Attorney and CloverWorks, who did P5A was A-1 Kōenji Studio) Not sure about the P3 movies or Trinity Soul though.

[@silverhairedwanderer9806]

I feel like one of the exceptions that breaks this rule is steins;gate a 40 hour video game. The anime adapted pretty faithfully in retelling the story in 24 episodes

[@xxAznToxin13xx]

What's funny to me (granted it was before the game came out) but they did a 30 minute animation called Persona 5: The Day Breakers. Just a random Momentos quest. They could've done those and if they wanted, just do the ending palace since it's in Momentos as well. All the previous palaces could just be referenced and if people wanted to see them, they could play the game or if they wanted to make a second season/ filler for flashbacks, then they can rush the palaces or something.

[@banobobot]

1:45 Now I'm just waiting for you to review Sonic Prime

[@fireboltpt]

Persona 4 and 3's anime series and movies respectively are genuinely great, as unlike 5, they do alternate from the original game in several aspects. With P4 developing Yu (the protagonist) and being genuinely really funny. As well as adapting shadow fights pretty well for the most part. Persona 3 does a great job developing the protagonist, arguably better than P4A, and that single fact changes a lot of the emotional impact with certain already powerful scenes.

[@fireboltpt]

I'd also argue Joker was still better in the games, as the game does give him some really good moments in the story and his dialogue options do well in giving you a decent idea what he's like.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@fireboltpt Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@s3studios597]

>Talking about video game anime >Not mentioning Pokemon But seriously, for as much as people shit on the Pokemon anime, I think it did a really good job at adapting a series of games that had virtually no story whatsoever for like the first 15 years of its existence while also being aimed at kids. Could it have been done better? Sure, but that doesn't mean what we got was bad, especially XY/Z Another good example of an anime adaptation that strays from the game is Tales of Zesteria: The X. Granted, this one kinda had to because everyone hated Zesteria, so it was essentially just fixing the story. And it was done by UFOTable, the same studio responsible for a lot of the Fate stuff and the Genshin anime. Should be interesting to see how that's handled. Speaking of Fate, Steins; Gate is another adaptation of a visual novel and it's widely loved.

[@lucasclyde7424]

Because the main Pokemon anime is merely an advertisement for the games. Where they dropped the ball imho is that they still adapt the games' story, which you can say most of the time they have none but they are more like open-ended rpgs that only works for them but not in an anime. So their way of remedying this apparently is to pad out the pacing and episodes by shoving team rocket in only for them to be defeated for the 1 millionth time. I bet even kids can get tired of this repetitive trope. And it also helps that they change protagonists instead of sticking to just one never aging kid who just goes through the same old process of collecting badges, lose the league, and worst of all, reseting and repeat that process, which makes the long plot tedious to follow through. Yes I heard the news they recently let him won a league and retired him. But that's the problem: "recently". If it took them more than 20 STRAIGHT SEASONS to implement some semblance of story development it's not a good series. But seriously if anyone wants a good Pokemon animation the Twilight wings shorts does the job even though it just covers sword and shield but what's more is that it isn't a adaptation but more of an anthology series that fleshed out and improved the characters of the game. And although a manga, Pokemon adventures as well. It's basically everything what the anime could have been including an engaging plot, great cast of characters that improved upon their game and anime counterparts, and implemented creative liberties like holy sh** the trainers become targets and are part of the battles adding more stakes and tension as opposed to just standing there doing all the commands.

[@duskyer]

Persona 4 anime is really good. You can think of Persona 4: The Golden Animation as showing off New Game Plus. The latter shouldn't be watched unless you have experienced the game in that fashion or watched the first anime. Dominating the game on a new run and picking all the funny dialogue choices.

[@mrkaji8913]

14:56 I really hope future video game adaptations adapt the story

[@Thenameless1]

Braxton can you tell us about the immune system.

[@kemlykamar3984]

You’ve made some very great points but I have one question: What if Persona 5 (and others) was your first introduction to the series

[@joshuataylor7443]

Can you talk about the Street Fighter Anime movie’s and Mario OVA?

[@Rlowe247]

Persona 4 anime did a pretty good job, some new touches when needed.

[@mattwo7]

13:45 Aside from DR, all of those anime were made by some of the worst studios, A-1 (who also did P4GA, SAO and Fate/Apocrypha (though SAO and Fate/Apoc were garbage to begin with, there's a reason why UBW memes were so ubiquitous contrast it)), Gonzo (who also made Transformers Galaxy Force/Cybertron and the PSO2 -The Animation- Episode Oracle (which is also the name of the game's story's first three parts)) and P5A was made by a sub-studio of A-1 (DR was literally Lerche's second anime and they're the same studio who also did the DR3 End of Hope's Peak anime so you'd think that clearly they never improved but this was actually the same studio that did the Assassination Classroom anime meaning they clearly could have done better). Edgerunners was good because it was made by Trigger, one of the best studios.

[@laurencarlson1235]

Braxton showing Assassination Classroom as B roll has caused me to realize I need a video from him about it

[@theghostcreator776]

The TWEWY anime although absolutely bleh it was apparently super popular in Japan which definitely helped the brand as a whole

[@RPbirdzz]

ok, but the best thing P5A gave us was "Renren" I love that little nickname

[@s-wo8781]

After I beat Persona 5 for the first time I felt I just finished 3 seasons of an anime. Imagine what a good anime adaptation of Persona 5 could do? There's so much to expand on too like seeing the confidant storylines change up so some of tgem wouldn't feel as similar abd also an opportunity to make a few better like Ohya's. You vould also play around with the twins little thing they added in Royal. Tgey could've also expanded the palace rulers too. We didn't know much about Kaneshiro or Okumura really and an anime could've expanded on that. It should be like a combo of a shonen and slice of life anime. A good ass Persona 5 anime would light up the anime community! Have them gushing!

[@MrArk1265]

TL;DR: Focus on the Phantom Thieves, not the Jokester After playing Persona 5 myself, I actually have an idea that could change the story in its entirety; focus it on the other phantom thieves. It's really that simple. If the entire anime is shown through Joker's perspective, that's basically Persona 5 Lite. But, instead, show how the rest of the cast reacts to everyday life as both a teenager and a phantom thief, they're stories could be much more fleshed out! Semi-spoilers past the 10-hour mark ahead: Take for example, the katana-wielding, semi-isolated art boy Yusuke. We know very little about how he goes through school outside of mentions that it's "too loud" for him at the start, and that he knows Hifumi there. As a member of the phantom thieves, he has the ability to enter the metaverse and do metaverse shenanigans too. So it would be interesting to see him go to Mementos and do art things there or go about his art filled life at his high school, or hell, even SEE his high school outside of a few shots that can easily go over the player's heads if they're not paying attention. Have Hifumi show up and give him a few pointers, like how Yoshizawa does it in Royal. That kind of stuff. And this could be done with all the phantom thieves! Have episodes with Makoto and Akechi (prior to what happens to him in Palace 5), Haru and her business, give me Ryuji being a total mamas boy damnit! That's what I would like to see, anyway. Maybe have one where Makoto also get's the "college exam" drugs from Takemi. That would be funny.

[@ReijiNRen]

I think the only aspect I really liked in the P5 animation was the arc, or rather episode, dealing with the case Joker aids Akechi in. It's anime original, given there's no real case in the games that you do that, given his social link in base P5 is an auto and in royal, it's you just becoming friends with him. There's no real quests involved, unlike many of the others... if you exclude rank 8 which I won't spoil, but it still functions as a discussion event. Point is, it gives you a different perspective for the character that the games fail to explore, which, as an Akechi fan, makes me happy. While I don't condone the actions he takes at times, I like him as a character. Same with a character like Kamoshida. He's a horrible person, but he's a beautifully written character that you love to hate. Anyway, the openings and endings are pretty good too, but the overall show, not so much. Sorry, Ren Amamiya, I still love you and your game, but you get an F in the animation department.

[@AmartharDrakestone]

They already did an adaptation of Persona that did what Edgerunners did. It was called Persona: Trinity Soul and was a spin-off to Persona 3, set in the same world but 10 years later, with a completely different cast of characters in a different city.

[@jt-oh3my]

i think the best "adaptation" of p5 is the mementos mission manga by rokuro saito, great spinoff and narrative while keeping the characters and relatability of the original cast

[@cherubin7th]

Wonderful how different video games and movies are.

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

All this talk about the Persona 3, 4, and 5 anime adaptations, yet I've never seen nearly as many people bring up or discuss Devil Survivor 2 The Animation First off: adapting solely the SEQUEL to Devil Survivor - let alone the less likable of the two in terms of plot/character - into an anime? Immediately doesn't sit right with me. But then there's the obstacle of weaving an SRPG with various alternate routes into a linear storyline… I'll leave the rest up to you, there's a bit more to discuss with DeSu2A beyond what I brought up, but in all honesty, I just wanna bring up this video game adaptation for the sake of repping what I believe is one of, if not, the most based JRPG duology out of the entire RPG market, aside from the Digital Devil Saga and Devil Summoner Raidou Kuzunoha duologies on PS2 (yes I am very blatantly shilling DDS, DeSum, and DeSur for you to at least consider playing on the PS2/3 and DS/3DS respectively. Please.)

[@Windermed]

I think DeSu 2 as a game was great (im a big fan of the cast as Joe, Jungo and Yamato are my favorites but with DeSu 1 i pretty much liked everyone in the cast as it did a good job with the story, characters and atmosphere) but i recently watched the first episode of the anime adaptation and.. i kinda am mixed on it. i think it mostly has to do with the fact that i'm used to the Record Breaker VAs but none of the english VAs fit AT ALL with any of the characters and the dub is seriously reminding me of P2: EP's english dub from the 90s (which wasn't great) but dub aside the first episode legitametly rushed it in a way that was pretty unsatisfying and not even 10-15 minutes in and they're already at the first septentrione and they haven't even met Joe unlike in the first game if i remember correctly)

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

@@Windermed Now the dub’s quality is questionable? That's news to me criticism-wise

[@EatWave]

Taking video game, especially those that one can play at one's own pace, have an abundance of side content and have customizable characters whose skills can be used to affect how the games plots unfold are wholly unsuited to be converted to other media. Side stories set in the same world focusing on new characters would be fine, however.

[@k.d.m.d]

If i had to guess what they could have done for the p5 anime adaption then maybe they could have covered the game from goro's prospective. We could see what he was doing in every palace he visited.

[@touma5340]

I remember watching the animation but when I saw how they down all out attacks, I was like ok it looks ugly and talking in the middle of the posing icons was really weird. It got me to think it continues like this with others so I dropped it all together.

[@Gatekid3]

persona 5 the daybreakers is the perfect example of what this show needed to be. Even without using the all out attack, arguably the best visual aspect you could use in an adaptation, they captured the feel of the combat through a stylized baton pass. The ova gets around the plot by focusing on momentos quests. The only problem with trying to make a show about momentos stuff is you'd have to ignore the main plot to avoid having to explain the larger plot, but i think you could just have a show take place after all the party members have gathered focusing on momentos, confidants, and group hijinx. A complaint about persona is that character development happens outside the plot, but that means for an adaptation you can have the characters develop without it interfering with the plot of the game. This anime also could have been good if it slowed down, focused just on kamoshida and told a stronger narrative with just that. Joker, ann, ryuji, morgana, mishima, shiho, and kamoshida are enough characters to hold a story. If it's not enough, you have momentos, Iwai and Takemi you can use to fill out the arc Then if it was well received, you could do another season on the next palace and more confidants

[@natileroxs5226]

On the flip side, the persona 5 manga is actually pretty solid. i'd recommend it to both p5 fans who have played the games and those who just really can't play persona games (i get it, the grinding and confidant juggling can be annoying for some people (including me)) and just want to experience the story. Persona 4's anime is honestly great, it gives the protagonist a real personality that i feel like persona games have begun to lack after persona 2 (highly recommend). It reminds me of what the persona 1 manga does, giving the protagonist a real identity. the most interesting thing about joker is xander mobus and his actually great dynamic with robbie daymond (akechi) danganronpa the animation really should be viewed as separate from the game. i actually enjoyed watching it as i feel like the trials are way too long and the emphasis on every single bit of evidence is a chore, especially in the first game. It's honestly nice to see other characters have a bit of agency and actual brains which contrasts with the game where everyone felt kinda stupid because only makoto could solve the case. makoto himself translates far better because he's an actual character whereas joker is far more player stand in. honestly, if you want to play a persona game with an interesting protagonist, i'd recommend the p2 duology. Tatsuya and Maya are really fun characters who get complicated backstories and are have a significant amount of character even with player choice thrown in. probably helps that you get to see them from the outside too. (they also have canon names which is always a plus. nameless protagonists is a trend that i feel like is getting old) one game i think they did well in adaption is the Castlevania series. they didn't take a plot from the game and instead constructed a brand new story that works as a prologue, so the writers had more creative freedom. it has its faults but it feels a lot more solid in its conception.

[@frogfish1250]

P5 anime being is so crazy considering how good the P4 anime and P3 movies are. You could easily do a follow up video of how the p4 anime fixes all of the issues

[@husariuspl117]

I'd say Ace Attorney anime was actually a decent exception of where the adaptation was fine, might be just me but it didn't felt like a rushed down version of the game, might also be cause the game isn;t so anime already like Persona or Danganronpa games are. The issue for P5A is that even if you never played the game the anime feels rushed and out of place, while for AA it' doesn't feel (plus it actually does a few improvememnts like with Larry)

[@thomasffrench3639]

Ace Attorney is also a visual novel which has historically been great material for anime adaptations

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@thomasffrench3639 Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@mattwo7]

The only good parts of the AA anime were the new stories they added and Persona 4 The Animation did that sort of thing better.

[@mrkaji8913]

3:36 I love that

[@kotlolish]

Tales of Symphonia the OVA is one of the rare exceptions where they follow the game, but also do things differently. It is retelling the story, but it does something I think ADDS to the whole story of the game. It actually shows and tells stories that were said in the game, but not shown to the full potential. It does a few story beats differently but damn does it do it well. Sure it skips over A LOT OF SIDE STORY AND MAIN STORY CONTENT by retelling it differently.. but also tells ironicly stuff we only "hear" the game mention. Example: Regal and Presea's story sorta gets said and shown real quick.... it's very dark and we mostly see it off screen or snippets of it. Or Sheena's failure.. in the animation.. They show it fully and expand upon it more. Mithos's story is only TOLD TO US and how much his sister ment to him... in the animation... IT TAKES ABOUT ALMOST A FULL EPISODE OF IT! And while you think that is bad.... there is just one thing of ToS the animation... IT"S AN OVA aka ORIGINAL VIDEO ANIMATION aka it's someone's take on something and not a full on anime. Heck I think the final battle in the animation is even MORE dramatic then the game.. don't get me wrong the game does some cool stuff with the finale that will add into the final boss... but in the OVA... it's not a whole party of charaters fighting him. Insted it's Lloyd vs him in a sword fight and it's intense and way more emotional then the game could tell. And the moment Lloyd wins the fight.. it's not a "HURRAY" it's a very sad moment, more so then the game cause of the circumenstances of the scene. I won't spoil the game and OVA differences here despite being both more hten 10 years old. Heck you can buy the remaster ...-looks at how bad it is- ...Get a hold of the gamecube or-- -looks how expensive it is- ....Just get the steam version and mod it with fixes... But I will say the game is overall the better package then the OVA, but credit where credit is due as the OVA simply explores more story beats and curiousity and adds more emotion then the games have. And that's why ironicly... the OVA is a decent/good adaption. As when it can't do something the game can... it will do it's own thing insted.

[@Mutantbubbaboy]

I do highly recommend the P3 and P4 animes, they do an excellent job converting the source material. They also do a really good job giving the protagonists interesting character arcs, especially P3.

[@kairili]

The best anime versions of games are the ones where its not an adaptation to the game, but instead a side story to it. Yoko Taro who created Nier was broached to do a Nier Automata anime, and in his interveiw, was confused as to why its happening since Anime tends to be long commercials for products like manga and light novels or games's promotion, and the Nier auto game is already released years ago or several months ago on Switch. But he decided if it was going to happen, he knew adapting it straight will never work, since games and tv shows are different mediums, so he opted to instead do a side story, alternate timeline instead, which is what he does also for the short stories he did for the Nier art book releases and the short stories he writes for those and for the concerts. I think more gaming themed animes should do what Yoko Taro did: Make short side stories that can fit in a televised format, or do what if stories that compliment the game.

[@usuallyangry]

I will never not be upset about how the Danganronpa anime treated Monaca. (And how it shafted the other Warriors of Hope in turn...)

[@Ashtonyss]

The Danganronpa anime is unforgivable and I refuse to acknowledge it as Canon.

[@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961]

@@Ashtonyss Please Just Stop. You've already fallen from grace, and you're just accelerating your downfall.

[@usuallyangry]

@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 Damn bro, what did he do

[@sorakun555]

I honestly do recommend checking out Persona 4: the Animation (NOTE: *not* Persona 4 Golden). It has someof the problems you mention here, but I do think it was an honestly good attempt at an adaptation of the game it's from. It even tries to give Yu Narukami some semblance of a personality, complete with a character arc that was missing in the games.

[@NanoScream]

Another good example of successful adaptations is the Devil May Cry anime mini-series that was used to promote DMC4 a decade plus ago. It captured the characters and style just as well as the games without retelling the story of one of the games.

[@MagnificentPez]

Good news! P3 and P4 have good anime, though I would definitely recommend watching them after you've played the games. P3A tells the story in their own way but they skip a lot of things, but it definitely adds emotion to the emotional scenes that were missing in the very low-spec games. P4A, especially in the dub, is probably one of the best comedy shows I've ever seen. It's both game accurate and hilarious. They add their own comedic lines and the animation is the sole reason the P4 fandom sees the MC as an absolute chad. Granted, a lot of things are skipped but it's done in a very enjoyable way. One final thing to note, they gave the MC's some of their own personality. P3A having much more of it, while P4A does it in a funny way. Because they skip so much of the story these anime are definitely not meant to be consumed without having played the game, but more of an extension for those who've beaten them.

[@hugosenshida999]

The danganronpa anime actually made me check the game, i enjoyed it Persona 5 was a bad miss, because persona animes are hella lit. P4's was goated, meanwhile persona 3's movies were probably one of the best game-movie adaptations considering the ambitious persona 3 plot