Disney’s Pinocchio Remake is a Clueless Embarrassment

[@JustStop]

Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS/ANDROID/PC: clcr.me/JustStop and get a special starter pack 💥 Available only for the next 30 days!

[@Helpwhatamidoinghere]

😐

[@Koroguru]

For how much you hate Disney’s business practices, it’s weird that you go for a sponsor that also has bad business practices.

[@jaxtheoverlord6959]

we lost another ):

[@sse-678]

No

[@guy1905]

No.

[@KyrieFortune]

The "Pinocchio lies so his nose grows and he can escape from prison" is literally the Pinocchio joke in Shrek 2. You know. The one where he says "I am wearing ladies underwear!" and the nose doesn't grow until he denies his own claim.

[@limeyell0w945]

unrelated but i really like your pfp^^

[@bonedude666]

Damn, Disney took a joke from from the company made to spite them. They've fallen so bottom of the barrel, not even an anvil can go that low.

[@KingNexusMOCs]

"It's a thong!"

[@EpicJoshua314]

Pinocchio does NOT intentionally grow his nose long enough by lying to get what he needs. When he lies to Jiminy to get himself out of trouble, his nose grows long and Jiminy says 'Quit telling those whoppers!" When he sees the key, he tells a white lie so Jiminy can get it and afterwards he admits his wrongdoings and his nose shrinks back to its normal size. There is no false/bad moral that lying gets you what you need/can help you, if Pinocchio had just admitted his wrongdoings to Jiminy in the first place instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have appeared and unlocked the cage.

[@somedandy7694]

It's sad to see Disney parody and satire itself to one-up the company making fun of them. And then DreamWorks goes: "Fine, Disney. If you're not gonna try anymore, then we will. Here's _How to Train Your Dragon_ and _Kung Fu Panda_ "

[@alextheblueman-reviewergam9655]

the part where he has his nose grow to get the key to the cage gives "lying your way out" a whole new meaning.

[@natereynolds2783]

That sounds like the nose is a stand. Lmao

[@EpicJoshua314]

No, instead of admitting his wrongdoings to Jiminy, he lies to get himself out of trouble which causes his nose to grow very long. Then when he sees the key he tells a white lie so Jiminy can get it. Afterwards, Pinocchio admits his wrongdoings which causes his nose to shrink back to its normal size. If Pinocchio had just admitted his wrongdoings instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have unlocked the cage for him, and if he really told actual lies to get what he needs, the magic wouldn’t work. There is no bad/false moral here that lying gets you what you want.

[@1greninjawolfbossdeath648]

The nose growing is supposed to represent how lies lead to more lies and thus a growth of the network of lies and their visibility. Having a growing system of lies to the point it is too big to hide is apparantly a good thing according to this movie.

[@natereynolds2783]

@@1greninjawolfbossdeath648 right. They really butchered the original message of the story. What a mess.

[@kraftik5300]

also this gimmick was first used in shrek 2 due fact Pinocchio accidentally trangled himself on strings so he need to free his firneds so Gingy did it.

[@mrviking2mcall212]

They 👏 animated 👏 a 👏 root 👏 beer 👏 mug 👏 instead 👏 of 👏 just 👏 getting 👏 a 👏 prop 👏

[@CalebBurnsGamesDotCom]

I understand that for the puppet, but for the boy? They could have just given him an actual glass. I only really noticed this when he actually drank the whole thing in a single sip.

[@caramel_frappe]

I don't get why that was so difficult to get Like even a red plastic party cup would get the job done

[@genera1013]

@@caramel_frappe Considering it takes place in the 1800s, I don't think they would have had red plastic cups

[@partygamingz3332]

@@CalebBurnsGamesDotCom thing is, its disney they do have the budget and time to get a puppet body to animate over to avoid the animation mistakes like the clipping n shit. but yeah the glass mug one made me fuckin speechless

[@colbystearns5238]

Right?! It’s like they could have bought mugs and root beer from a Walmart for much cheaper than just trying to animate them! lol

[@thegayghost872]

Maybe the Disney clocks would've worked if they were, like, dolls. Because Gepetto is supposed to be a toymaker, and "my wife loved dolls" makes more sense than "my wife loved cuckoo clocks"

[@donnamitsuki281]

And also? They imply he doesn't sell his stuff?? When the whole point of his wish being granted is the fact he brought tons of children's joy with his toys

[@berto17]

it doesnt even have to replace clocks with dolls, they could have just made it so there was this one clock that was really gorgeous and prettier than all the others, but its not for sale because he made it for his wife (or it was his wife's favorite, either works i guess)

[@equidistanthoneyjoy7600]

Not to mention, making dolls seems like a way easier and more sensible method of adding those references. Just dolls of the characters, instead of clocks that incidentally have the characters pasted onto them.

[@backalleycqc4790]

"You know, my wife went cuckoo before she died. And that's why I make cuckoo clocks, they remind me of her." this would have been awesome backstory....

[@shira_yone]

Puppets rather than dolls perhaps.

[@JArt872]

Remember kids, lying will get you anything you want. Even breaking out of prison.

[@EpicJoshua314]

No, instead of admitting his wrongdoings, Pinocchio lies to Jiminy to get himself out of trouble, which causes his nose to grow long. Then when he sees the key he tells a white lie to get it. Afterwards he admits his wrongdoings which causes his nose to shrink back to its normal size. Had he just admitted his wrongdoings instead of lying, the Blue Fairy would have unlocked the cage and his nose wouldn’t have grown very long. There is no false moral that lying gets you what you want.

[@dylansmith5206]

You just described Joe Biden's and Hillary Clinton's (Plus Bill and Obama) political career in a nutshell perfectly. Plus you also just described CNN.

[@casbinwat]

@@dylansmith5206 what does Pinocchio have to do with politics? Its like saying how perfectly split a pizza is, then someone comes in with "just like the democratic and Republican party". Added nothing to the topic.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@casbinwat Republicans revolve their entire personality around their politics, so they constantly shoehorn it into any errant discussion. It's quite sad, really.

[@testedcatgaming7714]

Especially breaking out of prisson.

[@HelenaIsis616]

The irony of the clocks and toys and not selling them defeats the reason why the Blue Fairy grants his wish for a child. The Blue Fairy brings Pinocchio to life to reward Geppetto for bringing joy to children through his toys and clocks.

[@eatatjoes6751]

*AW, WHAT?! SO PINOCCHIO SHOULDN'T NOT BE A USELESS CREEPY HUNK OF WOOD?!*

[@leylamontenegro126]

I completely forgot about this point and I watched the original about 3 days ago

[@cartooncritique6625]

So now she basically just rewards him for being a self prick with a dead wife and kid.

[@Nameless82284]

I mean that's his job, he builds clocks. He sells them because that's his job. But most importantly it brings joy to many people.

[@Laxhoop]

Disney has become so corporate, that it’s no longer able to make a movie where the lesson is supposed to be “Don’t be bad”.

[@cgt3704]

Its the same as when google removed the "Dont be evil" slogan after they became powerful. And now they make deals with China

[@donutbevil9669]

Or that they think flaws shouldn't be overcome.

[@demo2823]

It's like some of you guys forgot Raya and the Last Dragon where everyone sucked at the beginning and sucked at the end but we have to pretend a great moral lesson about trusting eqch other to do the right thing was learned.

[@gamerGUY3013]

@@demo2823 or could it be that some of us didn't watch that trash movie

[@randomgrinn]

Because you can't actually show a hero being bad, that is way too scary. Kids will mindlessly do anything they are shown according to modern theory, therefore movie kids can never do anything bad. Or interesting.

[@AnnoyingSquib]

It's so freaking easy to salvage the backstory of the cuckoo clocks. Just have the wall of product placement have been made by Geppetos wife. Have Geppeto still make toys and clocks but he refuses to sell the ones his wife made with him. That way, when he does sell the clocks to search for Pinocchio the emotional scene hits that much harder. Jesus! You don't even have to rewrite much in the script to do that.

[@Account_Not_Applicable]

You get outta here! Good writing has no place at Disney!

[@mockersjayparker813]

I always found the donkey scene in the original is terrifying as they take a goofy cartoon donkey and make it something to remember. This movie not only ruined it but made the mama scream bad. How do you make one of the most haunting quotes in a disney film and ruin it without care?

[@Juan-zs6jt]

In interviews about Pinnochio 1940 they revealed they took inspiration from suspense films to make that scene. The score was made to be go up and down alongside the animation until it elevates into a loud and chilling tune. In the remake the music is trash, the scene is paced terribly, and the Lampwick actor doesn't convey terror through his dialogue or movement, since the scene was finished in 5 minutes.

[@virtualalias]

Originally, it was a cautionary tale about the descent into hedonistic vices like alcoholism and drug addiction.

[@crestothegecko6279]

@@virtualalias now it's a corporate product that doesn't take a second look at itself before blundering towards the money

[@Ergonomicsdesk]

Fun Fact: The “gay scene” in Beauty and the Beast was literally a 3 second long clip at the end of the movie where Lefou dances with a man

[@tiamystic]

WOO, REPRESENTATION!!!!!1!1!1

[@FrahdChikun]

Ah yes, the mandatory 3 second long clip they can easily edit out to appease their Chinese overlor- I mean international audience.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

Now, now, let's be fair here. They also used it for a brief two-second joke during Gaston's song. Clearly you're just a troll intentionally underselling how much Disney truly cares about taking advantage of underrepresented demog-I mean, "Implementing diversity in a respectful and creative way, and most definitely not doing the bare minimum necessary to receive accolades while pretending that they won't minimize or remove it when selling the product to certain foreign markets."

[@torytellstales]

Don't forget the scene where LeFou lifts up his shirt to reveal a hickey mark when he sings "No one bites like Gaston...."

[@CrazyTrainEnjoyer]

​@@FrahdChikun😭

[@shawnconway6009]

The core flaw of this entire movie is that they removed the morality part of a story that is primarily a morality tale. You can't tell a morality tale without it having a morality element. If no one is good or bad, if no one changes through the story, then you can't have a morality tale. And if you don't change the story to accommodate this, you barely have a story. The major problem with this movie is that it's an 'and then' story. If you describe it, it's always 'and then this happens, and then this happens, and then this character does this.' There's no 'but then' or 'therefore.' There's no 'he goes to pleasure island and does bad things, but then people start becoming animals, therefore he learns that there are consequences to his actions.' Instead it's 'he goes to pleasure island, and then he has root beer, and then he turns into a donkey, and then...' Because there's no change in our characters things just happen one after the other. Nothing is because of anything else, things just happen. And that's all because you've removed the whole morality element of a morality tale and replaced it with nothing!

[@EpicJoshua314]

He learns that things which are Too good to be true are probably not true and what seems to be good at first is not the right thing in the big picture. He learns after deciding to become an actor instead of going home and having Geppetto confront the headmaster. When tempted to join Sabina and Fabiana's circus who are much nicer than Stromboli, he decides not to so he can find his father. Lastly, he learns that admitting your wrongdoings gets you out of trouble/can help you, not lying.

[@avivastudios2311]

@@EpicJoshua314 so he doesn't become more moral, he becomes more logical? Well, that's just a bad adaptation.

[@EpicJoshua314]

@@avivastudios2311 He learns that lying is wrong, he should have listened to Jiminy in not follow what Honest John and Gideon feel is best for him, quite literally A FEW MINUTES AFTER HE TOLD HIM NOT TO, and he learns not to fall under the trap of temptation when he declines Fabiana and Sabina's request to join their puppet show, though he would be treated much better, and decides to find his father which is why his donkey ears and tail fall off. For him being logical, he's weary of a complete stranger that just kidnapped him off the street, no duh, and then he suspects Pleasure Island to be more than meets the eye. These things also tell kids to be weary of strangers and to let them take you anywhere or offer you something, and things which are too good to be true/more than meets the eye are probably scams. I don't think Pinocchio being slightly less naive than in the 1940 movie makes this one bad.

[@Zazabazaa]

The live action Beauty and the Beast is NOT the same as their first one. They made the relationship between Belle and the Beast actually toxic in their attempt to make it not, because they completely misunderstood what made their original remake good.

[@demo2823]

Not just because they misunderstood, but because they were encouraging Emma Watson to shoehorn her perspective of a healthy relationship - one full of bantering and teasing - into a scenario which could easily turn abusive if handled wrong, and was only NOT seen that way originally because of an absence of bantering and teasing. Emma likes to disagree with her partners openly and get mad at them. Belle doing so makes you wish she had more freedom, and Beast doing so makes you fear he might hit her.

[@belles_library]

Completely agree. The relationship between them was toxic, and they made the Beast straight up abusive. They somehow made Gaston the better choice.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

@@demo2823 Which, humorously, makes this one of the few cases where it is okay to blame an actor/actress for their portrayal of a character (since usually the actor/actress doesn't get creative input, that goes to writers and directors; but Watson got to have creative freedom here). But back to the main point, this is part of the problem with the live-action (quotation marks needed for Lion King) remakes. Getting people to work on them who don't respect the source material -- either the movie or the original tale -- and just use it to do whatever nonsense they want.

[@Zazabazaa]

@@demo2823 if that's what they wanted to do, they did not portray it well... the turned beast into someone who doesn't actually show much care to Belle. Plus teasing banter normally comes after theyve grown closer, but they didn't really do that... Also what's with the changing of the library scene from him wanting to do something nice for her to just showing off? They took away key moments in seeing him improve and replaced it with more sad backstory so Belle would feel sorry for him and feel obligated to stay instead of because she saw the good in him and wanted to give him a second chance.

[@Zazabazaa]

@@belles_library yes to most of that although I have to say that even though I initially thought they made Gaston better, my mother pointed out that what they actually did is make him closer to looking like a masking narcissist. His mask begins to crack the he gets rejected by Belle and her father, who are both very aware of his true self. The issue is that they forgot to make that clearer to the audience and so, since the Beast is so much more obviously abusive than he previously was, it ends up *looking* like Gaston is actually better than him even though what's really happening is that they now both suck.

[@gp-1542]

I think Pinocchio is the most simplest to remake Like it’s not complicated or masterful Its just a kid going on adventures to learn moral lessons And yet they single handedly somehow butchered Pinocchio *HOW?!*

[@Scorpodael]

By shoveling in THE MESSAGE. Can't have someone who is visibly different from the folks around them show actual flaws and make mistakes to learn from, that'd make minorities look flawed! You know, like actual people instead of a nebulous mass to pander to for victimhood points.

[@ethejumper6568]

Because they only care for Money

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

22:10 considering Disney literally *owns the Muppets* they have zero excuse to make a puppet movie this awful looking, even if they just brought a couple people on to consult. Although god knows the Muppets deserve more screentime anyway.

[@northone2022]

The Muppets look more convincing and fun than this CGI Pinocchio. He's bordering on creepy levels with his dead eye stare half the time.

[@montecristo1845]

I’m STILL waiting for The Muppet Show Seasons 4 & 5 on DVD. Disney was on a roll with releasing the first three seasons, then SMACK!!! Nothing. Back then I thought it was because of the Mark Hammil Star Wars episode gumming up the works with royalties and copyright laws. But now Disney owns Lucasfilm AND 20th Century Fox, so no more excuses! What’s the deal, Disney? Release Seasons 4 & 5! Not like you can’t afford it.

[@leylamontenegro126]

It annoyed me how the Blue Fairy, the person who gave the puppet life with her magic, albeit indirectly, seemingly appeared surprised that Pinocchio was even alive. As if she hadn't intended to bring him to life in the first place. Then they were really driving the point that "Well you're not ACTUALLY a real boy..." (which was annoying), but then kept saying "but it's ok, it doesn't matter what's on the outside! It's what's in the heart!" So then why tell him he has to be unselfish, honest and brave in the first place? It's like you what him to be a real boy, but not really 😪

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

Del Toro's Pinocchio handled that idea much better by having Geppetto be the one who needed to learn what made Pinocchio real and a person worth valuing. Pinocchio's morality arc was still there, but was more focused on the mortality aspect and how to treat the life he was given and the people he shared it with. In that movie, both father and son acknowledging that Pinocchio is enough and doesn't need to change is genuinely heart-warming and thematically appropriate. If you're going to have it ultimately be that Pinocchio's final form doesn't make him any less human, the "real boy" conflict should absolutely be focused on other characters ignorance, or something Pinocchio decides HIMSELF doesn't prove anything, rather than a criteria Pinocchio is told he has to pass and is decided by outside forces, rather than himself. It takes away his agency.

[@lunaredelvour2972]

Tf is up with Disney taking responsibility/personal choice away from these remakes? First Mulan is no longer powerful because she worked for it, now Pinocchio is no longer good because he learns from his mistakes

[@kimifw58]

And when "bad guys" are the protagonists, they're only bad because society made them that way.

[@najpotenicewolf934]

It seems Disney no longer really tries to teach that everybody makes mistakes, and we're progressing by learning from those mistakes. No, many recent movies seem to promote the message that you're somehow born perfect as you are...which isn't really a healthy mindset to have.

[@kayemckeeth2301]

I have NEVER seen the original but I do recall the scene where Pinocchio became a real boy. It was such a genuine moment and the fact they CUT that is so tragic. It was so adorable and sweet.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

The rest of the film is as thoughtful as that moment. I’d highly recommend you give it another chance.

[@ev_account]

In the remake, we probably never saw Pinocchio become a real boy on screen was because Pinocchio as a puppet was very cartoony. He stands out from the real humans. In the animated version, he could turn into a real boy without looking weird because everyone was stylized very cartoon-like. The filmmakers probably had to decide between casting a real actor, animating Pinocchio with realistic features, or have the audience not see Pinocchio become a real boy on screen at all.

[@artbytesia]

@@ev_account One more reason not to make a stupid live-action remake!

[@Snowriander]

@@ev_account I genuinely hate Pinocchio’s design in this movie. The stylized look of the original character just looks bad in 3D. The only thing I liked about his design was the detail of his little wooden donkey tail, but that just doesn’t make up for the gross flat eyes, and weirdly malleable face of the new version.

[@azzyiseternal4745]

i just saw bionicpig's video on this movie, and apparently it's one of those "blink and you'll miss it" type things where he gets a vague design change where his legs slowly turn- well, not wooden at the last scene

[@EugenioScamardella]

As Italian, I feel deeply proud in hearing you praising the 2019 movie. It was made by Matteo Garrone, the same director who brought us "The Tale of Tales", and it shows. There's an undeniable charm in the way he directs fairy tales, turning them into naturalistic, surreal, visceral and artistic cinematic experiences. A new magical-realist turn on the genre. The weakest special effect is probably the one applied on the Tuna, who looks a little bit camp, but besides that it's one of the finest (visually-wise) movies Italy offered in recent years. And it's a fairly loyal, cynical yet nostalgically lovely adaptation. Plus it's one of the few adaptations who portray the Blue Fairy as she's described in the book. Edit. 500 likes?! Thanks! I didn't expect it. Maybe 500 likes means nothing for those that usually reach 1000 or 2000 or even more, but for me (a foreigner user who comments a video from this channel for the first time) it means a lot. Thank you again.

[@EugenioScamardella]

P.S. The 1972 miniseries is another good adaptation. It has a different direction but it earned a classic cult status here in Italy.

[@Zippofanatic77outdoors]

Yup and in America we get Tom Hanks and ketchup.

[@Laevateinn102]

Not to mention giving Roberto Benigni one hell of a redemption arc. He was responsible for one of the worst adaptations of Pinocchio, but in my opinion was really good as Geppetto. I can't recommend the 2019 adaptation enough. A lot of love went into that one.

[@giftedfox4748]

Was going to say the same thing. How you know when a nation loves a long time story vs. a corporation loves spinning that money wheel.

[@EugenioScamardella]

@@Laevateinn102 Yeah, that was the first thought I had when I saw the first trailer back then, and while Benigni as Pinocchio was cringey as f*ck, as Geppetto he gave a warm and genuine performance.

[@BrickbyBrick_Productions]

A Disney live-action remake is bad??? Who could have seen this coming…

[@michaelmalfaro3746]

They’ll keep making these as long as people pay to see it.

[@kimifw58]

How and why is the point...

[@Zoe-tj4ld]

while i knew it wasnt gonna be very good i thought theyd at least get the main point of the movie right and they didnt. its embarressing

[@HelloChief117]

I saw like three seconds of the Del Torro version and it left more of a mark than the entirety of Disney's lazy hackjob.

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

At this point, I’ve already come to terms with Disney and what it’s become. The Disney I loved and grew up with died over a decade-and-a-half ago, and it’s never coming back. The company that exists today merely walks around in a skinsuit, *claiming* to be the same thing… but it’s not. Different Company; Same Name

[@usuallyangry]

And the Lion King remake's box office numbers prove that Disney's death has been met with tremendous applause.

[@dracodracarys2339]

like an impostor from Among Us disney sus

[@limeyell0w945]

i love the wording of a skinsuit claiming to be disney. thats a really cool way to phrase it.

[@kimifw58]

Welcome to the light.

[@amirgarcia547]

Disney’s animated projects are still largely enjoyable tbh, but it’s a shame that they keep pumping out these mediocre live-action adaptations.

[@usuallyangry]

I just love how they made Blue Fairy black for diversity points. The character who only appears once in the beginning, once in the middle, and once at the end. One minute each.

[@pepperonipizza8200]

And even then, they cut her role.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

It's just pointless and feels stuck in for no reason other than social media points. To quote Eric July, the diverse people falling for this must really love the sloppy seconds

[@Dan_-]

The character who appears once in the beginning, and then had her other two appearances removed and given to other characters so she wouldn't hurt the movie's marketability in China too much.

[@JStryker47]

@@pepperonipizza8200 Also took away her legs and hair, and made her use her magic clumsily. Way to fight racism there, Disney.

[@kimifw58]

And each time, it's only to help the white heroes. Disney is so soulless in their attempts at progress that they're using regressive tropes without knowing it.

[@littlesisterisback]

Now I understand why the fairy didn’t appear more then once, so they didn’t have to animate the complex wings again 😅

[@Dan_-]

And so she wouldn't bother China too much.

[@maninanikittycat4238]

@@Dan_- that’s because the actor playing her is black?

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

Meanwhile, Guillermo Del Toro’s version has a effort to stop-motion animate a biblically accurate fairy

[@Garyfan2001]

When the parts in the Teacher's Pet movie that spoofs Pinocchio are more faithful to the original than this movie, that's when you know this film is in trouble and those moments in that film were supposed to parody Pinocchio

[@eatatjoes6751]

Exactly!

[@WeirdDragonTwins]

As an Italian, THANK YOU for talking about our live version movie of Pinocchio, the effects in that movie are nuts

[@Prototype-357]

Not wanting to show kids drinking beer and smoking even though you're going to say that it's bad it's the pinacle of cowardice.

[@randomgrinn]

"pinacle of cowardice" pretty much sums up our entire Safety-Worshipping culture currently. I can't even walk down the street holding a beer. Freedom should be more important than safety.

[@Zoe-tj4ld]

exactly, its not like alcohol and smoking is gone or only used by adults. kids today still do those things, when i was only in 1st year of secondary so many people in my class smoked and most kids even younger ones drink. most adults where i live end up doing drugs and drink a lot too so its just dumb to remove it.

[@hotwax9376]

The "tears bringing a dead person back to life" thing was also used in Pokemon: The First Movie, which was over two decades ago. And they also reused the "Pinocchio uses his nose to escape" gag from Shrek 2

[@marcohidalgo1101]

LOL that was literally my 1st thought w/ the ending, along w/ Nostalgia Critic ranting about tears bringing ppl back from the dead.

[@TheOswards306]

Don't forget about Tangled though.

[@FrahdChikun]

@@TheOswards306 funny that you mention that movie since Pinnochio himself makes a brief cameo during one of the musical numbers

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

@@TheOswards306 Give Tangled this much, Rapunzel was established to have natural magic healing from the beginning, and it can at least be kinda-reasonably assumed that her healing tear was just residual flower magic (cutting her hair just meant the hair itself couldn't heal anymore). If anything, she's one of the few excusable cases of this. Pokemon: The First Movie and the Pinocchio remake are just silly, though.

[@Zoe-tj4ld]

@@TheOswards306 i thought of that when i watched this seen, they probably did purposly copy it because they own that movie so cant get sued..

[@Aredein]

What's disgusting about this movie, is that Zemeckis decided to work on this movie. After how Disney tread his own CGI studio Imagemovers who made "Polar Express" and other movies. After how Disney mockingly referenced to his CGI in Rescue Rangers 2022 + weak attempt at being a "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" clone ending up a licensed bootleg. Either Zemeckis was contract tied or had done a paycheck job. Seems like he doesn't respect himself... I wonder if there was some other actual true context why would Zemeckis do that.

[@geosustento8894]

This is what concerns me about The Little Mermaid remake. The conversation around it had focused so much on the race of Halle Bailey that if (or when) it turns out terrible, critics would most likely be labeled as racist rather than people accepting the fact that the movie sucked. Don't get me wrong. I think Halle Bailey would be great and I support shutting down racists. But this seems to me to be more a ploy to shrug off accountability than an actual push for diversity. Disney is not our friend.

[@talhahhussain5603]

The modern Disney way is to bait racists and sexists with their casting choices then accuse all critics of being racist and sexist when the movie inevitably turns out to be awful.

[@jlwiseman98]

I honestly don't care in the slightest whose playing Ariel and think people should be far more worried about the script and story then anything. The track record of these movies has been so rough that no matter how good the actress is I'm not sure it'll be enough to save it. Especially since a lot of the story and script changes made in these recent movies have hurt the movies more then anything.

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

Honestly, a lot of the "criticism" is going to be racist. So, if you're not a racist, just ignore those comments about the replies being racist. Because odds are, they're actually right. Whenever they say "The critics are racist." I roll through the critiques and a lot of it has an odd amount to do with the race thing, sometimes being a little bit more overt than just your average "Why must they do this?". I really doubt that they're referring to ALL the criticism they get, just the racist ones. So again, if they say they keep getting racist "criticism" and you're not the one constantly bringing race into this, then they aren't talking about you.

[@dracodracarys2339]

she should have been cast as an entirely separate mermaid character instead of ariel herself tbh. that way her character has some identity instead of being a "palette swap". perhaps an entirely different story where she hears of the story of ariel and tries to get her happily ever after only to find out that life isn't always as easy as a fairy tale. maybe even deconstruct the "change yourself for a man you just met" lesson of the original.

[@geosustento8894]

@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 this has happened in Raya before. Trolls have driven Lindsay Ellis off of the internet because of a comment she made about Raya. Claiming that she's racist when she's not. That movie was really just derivative and unoriginal. But Lindsay and many others who didn't like the film for its poor quality were called racist. So I'm not sure if what you're saying is true

[@kalakazam6562]

Walt Disney would seriously be so ashamed of what his dream from a garage has turned into. I've watched so many documentaries and read a few books about how Disney came to be, and I'm blown away by the true passion and hard work Walt put into his creation. He didn't care about fame, money, nothing like that, he just wanted to make something that would bring parents and their children together through stories that taught lessons for everyone while also having amazing and memorable characters, and that love and togetherness is what truly built up Disney. But the Disney industry today has become the complete opposite of all of that now, and I'm so sad to watch one man's true passion that brought so many people together now slowly begin to decay and collapse under the crushing hand of greed and power.

[@purplehaze2358]

There are actually forms of root beer that are alcoholic, but that’s both not common knowledge and very evidently not the case within the film itself.

[@xx_robotkrew_xx1446]

I didn’t even know that they made a lady and the tramp remake until this movie came out and people started reviewing it

[@cgt3704]

Well that remake was released on Disney+ and who wantsto pay for Disney's bills of their golden toilets

[@artbytesia]

That's the movie that inspired me to start boycotting all future remakes from Disney. And I gotta say, I'm super glad I made that decision!

[@donutbevil9669]

There was a lady and tramp remake? And I'm saying this as genuinely ironic as possible.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

To be fair, that remake in THE one no one remembers nor want to

[@lucacala3194]

as an Italian, I love that you suggested Pinocchio’s 2019 version: it looks stunning and is as accurate as you can get to Collodi’s original novel so thank you!! also the costumes were temporarily displayed in a museum of my city and they look out of this world in person, the film really shines on ita costume design. great review of the garbage disney pulled out!

[@allisonbilbey1948]

Literally the only thing I will give this movie is the animation of Honest John looks great, I like his design, and Keegan Micheal Key did a great job voicing him. That’s literally it.

[@sarasaland4709]

Forcing a family to remove a temporary Spider-Man gravestone for a *four year-old child* might honestly be the worst thing I’ve ever seen anyone do ever.

[@huntercool2232]

Everyone: “So are you ever gonna do any hand drawn films again?” Disney: “No.” 🙂

[@foxydoxy4747]

The only good thing that came out of this remake is that it brought the del Toro version to my attention lmao. Super stoked for it

[@kraftik5300]

also according to book Pinocchio killed Cricket with trown hammer and was hanged on tree.

[@meridaskywalker7816]

@@kraftik5300 ....but didn't die, since he was wooden.

[@slayqueen9137]

Same! And I love stop motion movies, so I'm ready for it!! I have a feeling it's gonna be epic because it had time to be well thought out

[@JoesAnimationHub]

I know it's wrong of me but with Hanks' slipping accent I can clearly do this... "You did all that in one day!!!? ... YOU! ARE! A! TOOOOOOOOOOY!"

[@陸天篤]

I hate that Disney has such a big cultural outreach. Few people can experience the original version of the stories they butcher and Americanize.

[@lysfranc8782]

Such a shame. At least the original Disney movies made some references to the original tales.

[@陸天篤]

@@lysfranc8782 this is true for the European fairytales but when it comes to stuff outside what would be called Western world they don't really. For an example in the original Mulan. The matchmaker it's not accurate to the Chinese culture, it's a mixture between Chinese and Japanese. In Chinese culture the matchmaker would just be a person that would try to make the both families agree with the wedding and what would be the cost for the grooms family. And it could be anyone: a family friend or even a family members. Another thing would be the time period. There shouldn't be fighting Huns but a precursor to the mongols while Mulan should fight for another nomadic clan that took control of North China. But I don't really hate that movie since it's not as inaccurate as the remake.

[@kimifw58]

This is why I can't enjoy fairy tales. Disney's stink is everywhere.

[@avivagodfrey]

Y'know how the modern folk dislike personal responsibility? I'm pretty sure that's the whole point of this film. It's to remove Pinocchio's personal responsibility from the equation. Even though the whole story was based on learning the virtue of personal responsibility...***instead of being someone's puppet.***

[@jackdaone6469]

I knew that Pinnochio was gonna gargle gonads when “THE MESSAGE” was gonna get snuck in. Honest John is such an example: In the original, Pinnochio is tempted and then falls to temptation despite Jimminy’s guidance. In the remake, he at first refuses and goes to school, only to be driven out due to a thinly-veiled racism allegory. So he goes with Honest John because he has no choice. It’s a rewrite one might consider to be minor, but it actually has deeper ramifications by stripping Pinnochio of his initiative and essentially saying that victims of prejudice have no initiative or personal drives. Just food for thought.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Geez, they couldn't get away from THE MESSAGE in a film remake of a 40s film? Oh wait, this is Disney post 2016, they cant stop

[@pepperonipizza8200]

I don’t think anyone is saying that’s minor. It’s a pretty big plot point.

[@amirgarcia547]

Another big example is with Pleasure Island. In the original Pinnochio (once again) falls into temptation when Honest John talks about it and is entirely eager to go. While in the remake he basically gets pressed to go despite showing hesitations at first, which removes Pinnochio’s agency and basically makes him an unwilling victim instead of a naive child learning right from wrong.

[@kevinlee7678]

@@amirgarcia547 More like FORCED to go, he was literally netted off the street!

[@jackdaone6469]

@@pepperonipizza8200 The major plotpoint is still the same: Pinnochio goes off with Honest John. The minor part lies in how it’s gotten to, the details by which the story is subliminally told to the audience.

[@jmandualblade2426]

Personally, I want Disney to bring back their animation studio. When I was growing up, when I heard "Disney" I thought of animated classics like Robin Hood, Peter Pan, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Hercules, A Nightmare before Christmas(Yes, I thought it was a Disney movie before Disney allowed the movie under it's main brand.), 101 Dalmations(Beat themselves to the live action remake there. XD), and quiet a few others. I honestly have had this void since Disney started focusing more on live action than animation and kept animation to a series format. I honestly have no hope for the company until 2 things happen 1:Stop the political BS and focus on entertainment. 2:Bring back the animation studio. That's literally all they have to do to get back their reputation.

[@Neku628]

It's like Disney is disgusted with being an animation studio.

[@demo2823]

There is no political BS. Disney just undoes the progress that has been made then digs back into soft soil THEY chucked back in so they can claim they broke new ground. Disney has made amazing political arguments in their movies since the beginning. Don't mistake Disney screwing people over while claiming to represent those people, for them taking a political side.

[@tannerp.4996]

What do you mean? The animation studio still exists and is still putting out content. Encanto was their most recent movie.

[@jmandualblade2426]

@@tannerp.4996 I guess I should clarify, by "animation" I meant 2-D animated films since what I listed was 2-D. But, eh, not likely going to happen anyways, too expensive, time consuming, and most of the 2-D animators have left so no one's really able to teach future 2-D animators. Sorry for not clarifying.

[@tannerp.4996]

@@jmandualblade2426 Encanto isn’t Pixar. Walt Disney Animation Studios made it. Both studios use 3D animation.

[@kingbash6466]

I'm glad Disney remakes are getting more pushback. Their very existence just spits on the face of both the effort put into the original animated films and the art of filmmaking itself.

[@princeofalbany]

Disney seriously just needs to stop with the live-action remakes; nobody is asking for them and most of them aren't that good, and yet Disney just feels the need to keep pumping them out. They aren't all bad, of course, some were actually pretty good, but I feel like most of them were just pointless or worst than the original

[@artbytesia]

Exactly! I tried to tell them something like that in an e-mail. No response, at least not yet.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

Classic Disney Way: why trying new stuff instead of making new stuff

[@AscendedEmperor]

The whole point of the movie was for Pinocchio to learn lying is bad and the remake literally has him lie and get rewarded for it. That's as misdirected as you can get.

[@JaySpiderPop30]

I thought about the same thing, Pinocchio didn’t do anything bad while he was at Pleasure Island, yet he still gets donkey ears and a tail?!?!?!

[@artbytesia]

What was Robert Zemeckis thinking?

[@odetoclear]

worst part is that they cut out the "what do i look like, a jackass?" line. it was so iconic...

[@clown-cult96]

The original feels almost sadistic in a way? We’re no longer watching our hero learn from his mistakes, instead we’re watching a little kid be essentially forced into these increasingly horrifying situations that he obviously doesn’t want to be in.

[@greenghoul157]

Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio looks amazing, Disney slapped themselves in the face for putting this out

[@kyrtuck]

The Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland was actually a sequel, hence her being an adult instead of a child.

[@sarahhiversoeur3759]

That's what I thought like the moment he started listing the reboots and mention Alice in Wonderland I was like "what? Since when?"

[@MagmaPaint]

Having seen the animation and design on the Blue Fairy's wings, all I can say is "Hey Disney, Jak 3 called, it wants the glowy tentacle fey wings back."

[@thelonefedora]

Kingdom hearts did Pinocchio better, and he’s only in it for like 5 minutes

[@zeldagameryt4018]

In my opinion, I feel that Christopher Robin is the only passible remake because it doesn’t really feel like a remake or a shallow retelling of the classic story

[@mizzzlicia1832]

A meta discussion of modern Disney is that you don't need a conscience, you know nothing and you shouldn't trust yours because you'll get kicked from school and kidnapped. You will get pleasure from someone else's choices for you but all the consequences are yours and you may or may not get to your goal...

[@donnamitsuki281]

I'm still frustrated at how they tried to leave it open ended in a way,like if you look,he does turn into a real boy (I think) but why the whole "but did that really happen?" YES IT DID DISNEY. IT'S PINOCCHIO. _THAT'S HOW THE STORY ENDS_

[@tiamystic]

Yeah why tf they do that? He’s turning into a real boy IN FRONT OF OUR FACES.

[@sonicanvaspost6867]

What if the light actually represents...that they died and the “Gepetto camee back to life and Pinocchio is now a real boi” never happened?

[@LeEpicJohn]

@@sonicanvaspost6867 well then thats just lazy writing

[@sonicanvaspost6867]

@@LeEpicJohn as if they never been lazy in their reboots lol

[@Odisher7]

imagine if the movie was made as much as possible with practical effects. Then, maybe somebody would have had the idea "hey, what if we make pinocchio an actual puppet?" but of course, that would have required effort and being capable of original thoughts

[@tiamystic]

And having the clocks and root beer as actual props. At that point the animators’ times are wasted. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@fellowspacemarine]

The one--ONE--compliment I can give this "film" is that out of all the live action Disney remakes, this one at least gets the atmosphere right. By that I mean the world, visuals, and even the characters themselves scream Disney's Pinocchio. All the other remakes look so colorless and lack any personality that if you were to take out the characters, put shots from each movie together, and ask me to tell you what Disney world I'm in, I'd have absolutely no idea which one is which with no context. So there 2022 Pinocchio, I'll be the sad soul to give you your only win. I will now dip my eyes in acid to repent

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Don't dump out that acid vat, I'll need to also dip my eyes after I also say that Pinocchio's donkey parts being wooden was a nifty addition. So that's two points in 2022 Disney Pinocchio's favor. It's still getting an "F", but it does have those two points.

[@StriderStryker]

I will never forget the day when Honest John said the word *influencer* in this remake.

[@kinnelyuwu5771]

"Biggest actor was Pauly shore" Bestie Tom Kenny was right there

[@marcohidalgo1101]

Also Napoleon Dynamite.

[@alyssamay9237]

The only "tear brings someone back from the dead" troupe that works for me is the one from Tangled. Probably only because it was the first time I had seen it, but also it was already established that Rapunzel had healing powers, so the tear scene worked logistically

[@thdenwheja756]

My parents started watching this movie while I was out of the room, and I came in right before Pinocchio came to life. "Gee", I thought. "With the world's biggest creative force and nearly a hundred years of technological advancement behind it, what is this scene going to look like?" Iron Man laser beam. That's what it looked like. It only went downhill from there.

[@silverbullet7691]

I will never shut up about how much this movie infuriates me.

[@thebrainnameditself9530]

I’m not even kidding, before watching the remake, I made a prediction Pinocchio would get bullied at school or something it just felt like that’d be the type of thing to happen that just misses the point of the story like these remakes often do. Honestly shocked I was kind of correct despite knowing how predictably bad these remakes are(apart from the jungle book i kinda like that one)

[@GODZILLA2915]

Yah know, the whole bullying thing could have worked, if Pinocchio himself decides to go back to the Fox on his own and then follow the original about him enjoying Pleasure Island, but nope.

[@marcohidalgo1101]

In the 1996 version starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas, he actually did get bullied in school. However, it still handled the story better than this version.

[@candygirl4958]

@@marcohidalgo1101 hi

[@Zoe-tj4ld]

i came into it knowing it would be bad trying to keep my expectations as low as i can and i was still really suprised which is actually very impressive.. not in a good way of course...

[@eatatjoes6751]

Teacher's Pet. Practically Pinocchio but with a blue dog. Just watch that instead or the 1940's Pinocchio or wait until Guillermo's. For crying out loud, wait until Guillermo's, it looks amazing!

[@eatatjoes6751]

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff ...really? It's a labor of hard work from what I've seen, BUT SURE. THIS ISN'T SOULLESS.

[@Titanruler]

Ironic how they made Jimminy, Honest John and Gideon as realistic as possible yet Pinocchio is the fakest puppet I’ve ever seen

[@darktenor4967]

Actually this version of Pinocchio teaches perfect lessons. Nothing is your fault, lying is good, don't go to school and work, ignore your conscience, bad behaviour doesn't exist, and in the end, if you want a reward, just cry a lot! sounds like the perfect lesson for today to me.

[@Locke350]

And… Society is always to blame!

[@martinaelyse9152]

As someone who absolutely loves the original Pinocchio, part of the reason of what made the original so amazing is the fact that its world is dark and HOW that changes Pinocchio's innocence and perspective. As you mentioned, Pinocchio already seemed to distinguish right from wrong, which kinda takes away his development and makes Jiminy pretty much useless. And bruh don't even get me started on Pleasure Island. The fact that they made the place seem less dark misses the whole point of Pinocchio's arc. It's where he loses his innocence, and really gets exposed to the consequences of doing bad things, which is why he must go in the right direction. IMO that contributes a major role in his character development. And the ending? Hell no

[@gabrieltomal1788]

I think that this iteration of Monstro may have been inspired by Cetus, a Greek mythological monster. The proposed 14th zodiac (no idea as to why people only know of the 13th, they were created by the same guy at basically the same time) is either a whale/Sea monster, as the descriptions are inconsistent. No idea as to why make it based on Cetus though

[@Ramsey276one]

Ophiucus… I remember a 13th hidden Zodiac stone (and Fiend Lucavi) in Final Fantasy Tactics Serpentinarium

[@gabrieltomal1788]

@TMVGemini24 oh, nice! Didn’t know about that part

[@meep_cubed170]

Usually with consolations that are on the same cases as the zodiac but are not officially recognized is either they only appear for setter ares or because an older one already covers it’s time in the calendar

[@somerandolad]

When the movie with Pauly Shore is a better retelling of the story of Pinocchio.

[@AtlasGeneticist]

Truly 😂

[@Cure_Hana]

At least you could argue that the Pauly Shore version has a “so bad, it’s good” quality to it. Beneath all the bells and whistles Disney added to this remake, it still feels about as hollow as an actual marionette.

[@kraftik5300]

it didn't follow story of Pinocchio but russian version called Buratino. Director just renamed him to pinocchio for bringing bigger audience.

[@omocahofan1746]

Would you recommend the buratino book?

[@kurasu1735]

I thought everyone learned that making cgi fish would've been a terrible idea because of the cat in the cat remake. Apparently not. Also the movie would've been a great horror movie.

[@kimifw58]

A CGI fish in a live action movie, you mean. Finding Nemo looked fine because it had a consistent visual style.

[@kurasu1735]

@@kimifw58 indeed. But that was the only good fish movie I've seen that included cgi.

[@jemofthe80s18]

I was personally shocked that Zemeckis was put on THIS remake instead of ALADDIN, which is SO much more his arena!! Crazy enough, BOTH 'The Adventures of Pinocchio' from 1996 AND Disney's own 'Geppetto' from 2000 are EXACTLY how he would do this story! One would be his dark and horrifying yet still cute where he's channeling his inner Tobe Hooper and the other a live-action Disney TV movie back when they knew how to make them fun, full of personality, and heartfelt;)

[@TheWanderingWolf2393]

Meanwhile I'm just sitting in the back binge watching a lot of Guillermo Del Toro's movies so I can be reminded of an amazing filmmaker who can actually do justice to Pinocchio 👌 unlike how Disney treated it this year and that Pauly Shore meme we got in the beginning of the year 😂

[@zeldagameryt4018]

I think the only Guillermo Del Toro movie I have kind of seen was Blade 2, but are the rest of his movies really good?

[@TheWanderingWolf2393]

@@zeldagameryt4018 Not sure, like I said I'm binge watching a lot of them so I'm not sure Though Pan's Labyrinth was amazing so I can definitely say that movie was good

[@TheWanderingWolf2393]

Guys keep in mind that I also never said I watched all of Guillermo del Toro's movies just to let repliers know

[@grandaltis]

@@TheWanderingWolf2393 The first two Hellboy movies The Shape of Water, Pacific Rim, and Pan's Labyrinth come to mind. Shape of Water was the most batshit insane masterpiece and Pacific Rim was just crazy-ass fun. He's got plenty of other films done but he's a fucking legend so safe to say that if anyone can bring this stopmotion Pinocchio out of production hell, it's gotta be Del Toro

[@helious5056]

Disney has a huge track record of this kind of snubbing or tempting to snub other film companies creating films based off of public domain works that they are also making films off of Probably most notably and most egregiously is what they did to the stop motion British Alice in wonderland

[@FeuerblutRM]

Critizising Disney for their shameless remake cash grabs and then being sponsored by this all-cash-shop scam game _Raid Shadow Legends_ is.... Pretty tight.

[@cinderellaskeleton6720]

Out of curiosity i looked on wikipedia to see what planned live action remakes they currently have. Some notable ones that are currently planned are hunchback of notre dome, hercules, lilo and stitch and... aristocats?? Why aristocats???

[@talhahhussain5603]

Because everybody wants to be a cat.

[@陸天篤]

Can't wait for the racist cats 😂

[@charondusk5608]

Because Disney runs on the Mister Krabs philosophy - "We like money!"

[@lust4248]

I really don’t want to see a live action stitch I’ve seen concepts and it genuinely looks horrifying it’s worse than human sonic

[@edorasmarauder5761]

I heard about the Lilo and Stitch one. They can't keep getting away with this!!!

[@RunePonyRamblings]

So lemme get this straight... There's a live-action adaptation of Pinocchio in 2019. Then in 2022 we get the Pauly Shore movie, Disney's remake, and Del Toro's adaptation, and then sometime next year we're getting that Pinocchio soulslike. That's quite a lot of Pinocchio stuff in a rather short time (if you write-off 2020-21 bc covid) any guess why the sudden resurgence of interest in Pinocchio of all things?

[@thebraziliandoomer9553]

I hope Disney becomes a donkey for creating many BAD life action movies of their "original" movies. Disney only cares about their money and Mickey Mouse.

[@Ryyi23]

I absolutely LOVED the live action Alice in Wonderland! I wish they hadn't done Through the Looking Glass, though. It seems like when they have Tim Burton direct a remake, it does fairly well. He adds enough of his unique style to the story to make it feel new and interesting.

[@angrybidoof847]

Tim Burton is the goth version of Butch Heartman

[@ginak5802]

Eh, I honestly found it very forgettable. The original animated version is leagues ahead

[@Ryyi23]

@@ginak5802 That's just proof that art is subjective. Everyone likes different things.

[@charmygreen665]

@@angrybidoof847 that is just objectively not the case. You may not like his work but he is nowhere near butch heartman lol you sound so out of touch

[@beepbeeplettuce5890]

that movie was one of the worst movies ive ever seen, normally i dont judge people fro liking bad movies, but your just objectively wrong, my god

[@capitanspoiler7393]

oh boy, if you only knew what happened in the book...you know the that whole thing you said about Pinocchio ignoring his conscience? yeah in the book Pinocchio smashes the cricket with a hammer in chapter 4.

[@kraftik5300]

and was hanged on tree

[@ellarose7114]

ugh i love that book sm

[@capitanspoiler7393]

@@kraftik5300 and not only turned into a full donkey but was sold to the circus and was thrown into the ocean when he couldn't perform anymore. Not to mention when he finds Lampwick again and sees him die in front of him

[@kevinlee7678]

@@capitanspoiler7393 Candlewick.

[@emiritorisei]

I believe that in the movie when Pinocchio ignores his conscience it was a reference to when he ignored The Talking Cricket in the original novel. When Pinocchio was being tricked by the cat and the fox, The Talking Cricket told him not to go with them or something like that. (The Talking Cricket came back as a ghost)

[@Butterfly-ql4pg]

The fact we've reached the point where even Disney diehards are starting to have a hard time defending the Mouse House really goes to show how far they've fallen from grace

[@edgarbanuelos6472]

I never thought the one with Paulie Shore would be a better adaptation

[@edgarbanuelos6472]

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff It's the only remake I've ever seen that actually tried

[@victorhundred8621]

@Santiago's Videos & Stuff At least Paulie Shore's one was funny bad, this one is not even that

[@KittyKatt_Luna80s]

I didn't mind Cinderella. However, I've been really put off with the live-action remakes. What I saw of the Pinocchio remake was gross. 😞 It was all watered down to make it completely for babies. Thank you for discussing that. 😞 The Pleasure Island sequence also lost the point when they had girls joining the boys. The reason why it was all boys in the book and the original film was it was based on an Italian myth that lazy boys would become jackasses/donkeys in their next life and be made to work their asses (pun intended) off for all their life.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Wait, that's why they're donkeys? Wow, so that just makes the bastardization worse and not only that, where did the girls go?

[@KirbyIsCute]

I think Jay from The Critic said it best: "If it's a remake of a classic, rent the classic!"

[@BadGuyRants]

Don’t forgot about Mary Poppins 2. The sequel/remake that came out 65 years after the original classic.

[@mynameiswa]

I can't get enough of these Pinocchio roasts. Never thought it was possible to make a movie worse than lion king 2019

[@matthewgarner7215]

This remake mad me realize something: Since Pinocchio is a puppet, with no bones, flesh, or organs and is not a living organism in a traditional sense, then how was he able to turn into a donkey in the first place.

[@zincpodzzz]

I highly recommend watching Christopher Robbin. It starts a bit slow, but man it’s sooooo good. I love what it does with the story.

[@ninarances9074]

Oh man, I love that movie so much. It may look simple and the story is kinda slow, but I still love it! Probably one of the few Disney live action films that I like.

[@speedslider3913]

I gonna go with the theory that Zemeckis is hyped for del Toro's Pinocchio movie and purposely sabotaged his one so that Guillermo's could find more success and outshine all the other Pinocchio movies this year.

[@kingjamesbond4009]

And this is why I will wait for del Toro's version of Pinocchio

[@kraftik5300]

as huge fan of stop motion animated movies like Coraline and Isle of Dogs, I will gladly wait.

[@MoonMoon-cl4co]

Monstro? No No, Thats a Sharktapus right there! I half expected the whalewolf to show up next!

[@mariechen4375]

This remake is awful. It completely misses the point of the original. I made a list of everything I hated about the Pinocchio live action remake: 1. Pinocchio has the soul of Geppetto’s dead son. This makes Geppetto look even worse than in the animated movie. In the original I can forgive him his mistakes because I know he’s new at being a father and therefore doesn’t know yet how to be perfect at it but if he had a son before like in this remake, he should know that you have to take your child to school yourself! Also, this change makes Pinocchio look like a replacement which I hate. In the original he made him because he wished for a child so badly because he was lonely and never had one. In this version he basically wishes for a replacement son! 2. Geppetto still doesn’t take Pinocchio to school himself! Why don’t they finally fix that? This is one of the few things of the animated version that actually should be fixed! So why don’t they finally fix that? They should learn from the 2019 Italian version! 3. Pinocchio goes to school and is kicked out because he is a puppet. What????? Why?????? He should ditch school and go to the theater instead because he should be naughty at the beginning and make mistakes because this is a story about redemption!!!! Seriously, this destroys the entire moral of the story if he is completely innocent at the beginning! In this version it’s completely justified that he goes to the theater instead of taking the easy road to success! The entire moral of the story that you shouldn’t misbehave and should go to school instead of taking the easy road is lost! 4. He only reluctantly agrees to go to the theater, very reluctantly. Come on! He should be enthusiastic about being an actor and about taking the easy road to success! Here, he only agrees to be an actor because he had no other choice! The teacher even said puppets belong in the puppet show! So, he really had no other choice than to go there instead of going there to take the easy road to success like in the original! Ugh!!!! 5. The ballerina in the theater seems like his love interest! He is far too young to have a girlfriend and Pinocchio is a story about the love between father and son not romantic love!!!! And it should stay that way! This love interest only distracts from that and adds nothing to the story! It’s completely unnecessary!!! 6. He escapes the cage by lying! That’s a very bad moral! In the original he learns that lying is bad and that it doesn’t help him! Here, they make it seem like lying helps you out! How can you convey such a bad moral???? 7. He is captured to got to Pleasure Island and he only very reluctantly agrees to go with them! Once again, the entire moral of the story is lost!!!! He should at least agree to go with them himself and not say that he doesn’t wanna go there on the coach! like that he seems even more innocent! The whole moral is lost! He should change from a bad boy to a good boy!!! That’s the entire point of the story! Here, the development is nonexistent! 8. On the Island he disagrees with everything the children do wrong, and he refuses to misbehave! Like that he really doesn’t deserve to be turned into a donkey! And once again the entire moral of the story about misbehaving is lost because he doesn’t even misbehave! He is perfect at the beginning and perfect at the end! There is no development! 9. Stromboli is sent to prison and the ballerina takes over the theater. But I don’t understand for what Stromboli is send to prison because he didn’t really commit a crime! It’s not illegal to imprison a puppet so for what did they put him in prison? 10. He loses the ears and tail when he decides not to go the theater again but to search his father. Seriously? That’s all it takes to break the curse? In the original he breaks the curse by sacrificing his life for his father! Here, he breaks it by deciding to do something that he should do anyway and which he was already doing! 11. They find Geppetto before he is swallowed by the whale and he and Pinocchio are swallowed at the same time. Like that the reunion scene is not as emotional as in the animated movie or the book! Especially since they were only separated for a day not over a year like in the book or at least a few weeks as in the animated movie (because spider webs can’t grow overnight, he had to have been away for at least a few weeks). Like that the touching reunion scene is missing which is my favorite scene in most versions! (It’s especially touching in the 2019 version) Everything that is tragic is taken away especially if Geppetto was only in the whale for two minutes instead of over a year or at least weeks! 12. The story takes place on only two days! That’s too much story for such a short time! And besides they have no idea what’s the difference between narrated time and reading time! 13. And now the worst part: the ending! They messed up absolutely everything! Pinocchio doesn’t sacrifice himself for his father and doesn’t prove himself doing so! Instead Geppetto is the one who dies and is brought back without a proper explanation just by Pinocchio’s magical tears! Ok, first off, that’s stolen from tangled! And secondly, Pinocchio should die by sacrificing his life for his father to prove himself, become a real boy and break the curse! There is absolutely no reason for Geppetto to die and especially not to be brought back completely without a proper explanation!!! In the original the revival is justified because Pinocchio is transformed into a real boy because he sacrificed himself! Here, there is no real explanation how Geppetto was even brought back except through the tears which are now magical without an explanation! They messed up everything about the ending!!!! Everything!!!! You can’t even say it’s from the book, there it was completely different: In the book, Geppetto was only very ill, he never died, and Pinocchio has to go working to help him! Here, Pinocchio does nothing for his father! He doesn’t even save him from the whale because Geppetto dies, and Pinocchio doesn’t sacrifice himself! Ugh, this should be the great moment: this is where he changes and puts someone else’s needs before his for the first time after all he did! Here, this great moment is completely missing!!!!! This ruins the entire story! There is absolutely no development from a bad boy to a good one! 14. And he doesn’t even turn into a real boy at the end!!! Are you kidding me?????? That’s what the entire story of Pinocchio is about! It’s about a puppet who transforms in to a real boy because of his love for his father!!! How can you miss that??? How can you change something important as that??? At first I thought I could forgive some mistakes but not with that ending!!! After that ending I knew I hated that movie!!! It’s the worst live action remake ever!!! Edit: A couple more Things I hated that I forgot to add: 15. I also hated that They Cut the Song little wooden head because it's such a cute Song that Shows how much Geppetto loves Pinocchio and how much He wishes to have a son. The New Songs aren't good in my opinion and don't Show the Love of a father that well. 16. I also hated that The Scene where Pinocchio Burns His Finger was so short and was almost completely Cut. Because this Scene is actually symbolic: At First in the Story Geppetto saves Pinocchio by stopping the fire and later their roles are reversed because later Pinocchio saves Geppetto from drowning at the end. The book equivalent of this Scene is the Scene where Pinocchio Burns His feet Off and Geppetto Takes Care of him and makes him New feet. Then at the end of the book their roles are reversed and then Pinocchio Takes Care of His father. Disney changed the Part of taking Care of each other to saving each other's lives. So the Scene where He Burns His Finger is actually a pretty important Scene that is symbolic and it shouldn't have been Cut down so much. But then again the Remake also completely ruined the ending so the role reversal is completely non existent. Another reason to hate this Remake. It ruined absolutely everything!!!

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

So pointless, unneeded changes and waste of time?

[@WSendam]

Disney has learned that people will watch anything using reverse psychology and Hate baiting 😂

[@borikidor]

I remember the final scene from the original. It was one the most tension filled sequences i've seen. How Pinocchio and Gepetto had to fight for their lifes and how they not only hat to dread Monstro but the sea it's self. And when the raft was destroyed and Pinocchio tried to reach shore, while the tide was against him and Monstro was closing in. It gives me goose bumps just thinking about it. And in this movie Chris Pine turns into a speed boat. Yeah... why tf not. And don't you try to say that it was established during Strombolis play. It was stupid then and it is braindead now.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Many things wrong with the motorboat thing, the worst of which being that the day was saved due to something that Pinocchio could only do as a wooden puppet, which detracts from his quest to become a real boy.

[@tisallgood]

I think they forced the Woody clock in because of course Tom Hanks voices Woody - it’s dumb and I would think it would confuse kids that Woody’s voice is now coming out of the clock maker but something Disney has mastered is doing the dumbest surface level things and pretending it’s clever and deep

[@ruleofoz2207]

You know, I'd be fine with Pinocchio not becoming a real boy at the end if it was part of a point. Like maybe if it was to say that his actions and the conscience he devlopped along his journey that make him a real boy, not matter how he looked or how he was made. If we go with the hypothesis that Zemeckis wanted to make a real movie before disney went ahead and meddled, maybe that WAS going to be a message. But in the context of this movie, it just feels like they ran out of money before filming the final scene.

[@TaraSmallss]

I’ve been so excited to see the Guillermo Del Toro Pinocchio, and at first I thought that’s what you were talking about. I was like noooooo

[@limeyell0w945]

"the del toro remake is a clueless embarassment. the del toro version coming out in december looks better"

[@nostalgianetwork1225]

i wouldn't mind remakes of the original source material instead of the Disney movies. like if they remade the Pinocchio novels from the 1900s where the wooden boy was a brat and straight up KILLS Jiminy Cricket

[@ellarose7114]

to be fair it was an accident but yea i’d absolutely love to see an original pinocchio remake

[@Allustar]

Pinocchio’s lack of flaws is an insult to the original story. The entire point of Pinocchio is that he learns to avoid temptation and think about the good and bad of the things he does. These people making these remakes need to actually watch the movies they’re “remaking”.