Why Piccolo makes NO SENSE in Dragon Ball Z

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[@SaiyanScholar]

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[@hackedegg]

thanks for always uploading every 5 minutes.

[@cdt549]

is thi reupload ? or smth

[@andret3739]

I love that the arrow in the thumbnail is not even pointing at Piccolo

[@starlightcross5396]

thats why it doesnt make sense lmao 😂😂

[@dekade420]

It makes no sense

[@abpajotte-1]

Lmao 😢.

[@icegangsta5161]

Yes but that's why, ah $#¡T someone beat me to it lol

[@ThunderChunky101]

KZbinrs even mispronounce wirds on purpose to get more replies. He's clever. His channel is killing it. He's a clever guy.

[@johngladman4291]

Can we just take a min to appreciate how great Budokai 1 was?

[@KaiserErebus]

A classic masterpiece

[@steffanofumo]

Always assume Piccolo was close to Neil’s power and the fusion wasn’t a addition but a multiplier do to nebulous Namekian magical reasons aka plot convenience lol

[@ladyjuliet9614]

like the Fusion with kami!

[@bronysaiyan5236]

I saw somewhere that it was a 5x boost

[@steffanofumo]

@@ladyjuliet9614 Yup, supposedly Nameless Namekian said to be much stronger than Frieza, split into King Piccolo and Kami who’s power levels were in the 200s.

[@AndresGuazzelli]

@@bronysaiyan5236 If it was, then Piccolo must've been 160,000. 2nd Form Frieza as the last "clocked" power level at over a Million and Piccolo + Nail was stronger than him. If the fusion is a 5x boost (which I have never read), then their combined power should've been 200,000. I wouldn't mind a 10x boost tho. That would mean Nail was 42,000 and Piccolo was 58,000 after King Kai and 10x gravity. Much more reasonable.

[@quarreneverett4767]

I recall them saying its a multipler in the power because of the fusion

[@jeremysmith5579]

I CAN WIN, I FEEL GREAT, I, CAN, DO, THIS 👍🏽

[@fightingfalcon777]

“Are you… Pumping yourself up?”

[@CrystalGreymon]

"N-no..."

[@fightingfalcon777]

@@CrystalGreymon “Kiiiinda sounded like you were.”

[@jeremysmith5579]

😂 TFS reference

[@ChessScholarOfficial]

"come now, we should do what feels best"

[@diegomedina9637]

Y'all ever noticed Piccolo constantly gets bullsh*t power ups? One of them was literally "Ohhh I just trained over there so you wouldn't see me"

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

that's what we love about him

[@eaglest0554]

Honestly imo his only real bs powerup was managing to go from a bit stronger than second form frieza but bodied by third form to comparably powerful to super saiyan Goku just off pure training with him.

[@seijin4426]

Piccolo is hax incarnate!

[@hojukimchi1412]

​@@eaglest0554for that reason, I think goku was holding back quite a bit against 19 when the virus was already attacking his heart. But the show tries to imply that vegeta may be stronger than goku now. Goku's full power would have been somewhat stronger than Vegeta as goku was training nonstop during that time too, as well as gohan. Vegeta may have closed the difference due to training under 300x gravity (which is my favourite episode btw) but I think goku may have been almost on par with Android 18's level. If goku didn't get the virus, perhaps 16 would have killed him if 16, 17 and 18 were still released.

[@eaglest0554]

@@hojukimchi1412 To be fair, it's implied that going super saiyan sacrifices some of the functionality of your immune system, so he was kinda forced to hold back there.

[@bronysaiyan5236]

Maybe due to the fact that Nail had his potential unleashed by Super Kami Guru that that added to the fusion multiplier was why piccolo gained powers over 1 million. Assuming nail was already stronger than the other namekians before the potential unleashed he would probably have like 5k ish so thatd be an 8x boost. Scans showed the fusion was a 5x amp. Thats 40x and lets just say for simplicities sake piccolo got 1.2mil. Piccolo would have only needed 30k to meet those requirements when he showed up.

[@bdhuffman42]

The power of fusion itself is what gave piccolo so much power imo

[@TheGreatAmarant72]

It was stated in TFS and yes its parody but the sentence holds true. "the saiyans might be fools, the humans might be weak and the namekian might not belong...but they're still out there fighting" Piccolo fights, he likes to fight, he knew upon landing on Namek he couldn't take Frieza but he couldn't beat Goku or Raditz or Nappa or Vegeta or 17 or Cell or Dabura or Buu but he fought them anyway because he wasn't going to wait on king kais planet while everyone else fought.

[@seijin4426]

Piccolo is truly goku's number one rival.

[@VXGaming]

I think the biggest question is how did they all stand on King Kai's planet without issue.

[@HellionSol]

That did bug me a bit during my viewing haha

[@fernandoquinteros9671]

Actually piccolo regeneration May ease a bit the x10 gravity thing due to it May enhance his stamina due to regen in irl sould affect muscle exhaustion, 2 he is alzó dead also the rest of em that gives stamina, maybe they got a little bit stronger during the figth? Not a zenkai obviously but Maybe a few units of power?

[@MieziWithSunglxzz]

They were stronger than Goku was, on arrival, which means they probably could take it much better than goku could.

[@jayb8934]

By the time they arrived there, in fact, by the time they fought Nappa and Vegeta, all of them were stronger than Goku was when he first arrived there. Goku's power level was around 400 at rest when he fought Raditz. Yamcha, Tien, and Piccolo were all over Raditiz's power level of 1200.

[@HellionSol]

@@jayb8934 this has me shook im not gonna lie, how does Yamucha have a power level higher than a Saiyen at this point? It just seems like an overlooked mistake to me, it doesnt make sense to me how they are stronger than Goku at that point, as Goku really pulls ahead in terms of power compared to his friends

[@ZangetsuGetsuga7]

I don´t know what makes less sense , Piccolo´s training or the Arrows of the Thumbnails .

[@ThunderChunky101]

The arrows are genius. Do you know why?

[@mikecurtis1680]

if since freiza couldn't feel power instead if shooting in being impressive he just stayed far away charged a special beam cannon and sniped freiza with a head shot in his 2nd form it'd be over

[@lorenz0c0rdova65]

If Piccolo didn't have pride, and didn't like to fight then yeah he could have, but the better question is why didn't Krillin use the Destructo Disk on Frieza when he blinded him with a Solar Flair?

[@youtoons]

I don’t think piccolo was ever evil. Just haunted by the sins of his father. The fact he had a body and made it to king Kai’s planet instead of the other place speaks for itself. GT doesn’t count. They did him dirty bc by that time he’s more than had redemption for his “evil deeds” which are pretty much him just being an angry toddler and emo teen.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

gt dont make piccolo eivl lame piccolo want to hell to get goku out lame what next you gonig aya z dont gont cos ro supe rocnt dotn cos goku want o hell for bit in both lame

[@AllredGL]

@@ssjgotenks2009 Why are you so bad at spelling?

[@youtoons]

@@AllredGL and grammar… It must be the average gt fanboy showing his far superior intelligence.

[@GoofyPoptart]

​@@youtoons HEY!! I like GT and know the difference between Your and You're, thank you very much! 😂 Lol.

[@Jan7412]

Did you even watch GT? Piccolo wasn’t sent to hell in GT because of his evil deeds in life he was sent to be a guardian of hell and to save Goku. King Yemma himself even said that he couldn’t send piccolo to hell die to him not being evil. Piccolo initially went to save Goku after he was sent to hell during the Super 17 arc but stayed to be a guardian. He didn’t want another situation like Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu making another 17 to happen again.

[@blackmagician7645]

I'm more conflicted to why Yamcha retains his scars in the after life. When others had missing body parts but regain them back. Is your appearence in the after determined by how you see yourself? Or how others see you?🤔

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

i think if you lived with it becomes apart of you. For instance no one de ages in the after life

[@ZangetsuGetsuga7]

Bro , i love your Video's Intro , it gives me nostalgic chills

[@PikUpYourPantsPatrol]

Namek Piccolo had a power level of around 1 million. Trains for 3 years and has power rivaling an Android arc SSJ. Let's say 350 million. So 350x stronger in 3 years. Goes in time chamber for 2 years for the Cell games, trains for the 7 years of peace before Buu. Is somehow barely stronger than he was at the Cell games in the Buu arc.

[@brodystarcher]

Pretty sure they wanted it to be like that was just his cap until super happened

[@PikUpYourPantsPatrol]

@@brodystarcher makes no sense storywise

[@brodystarcher]

@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol by the buu saga he's nit meant to be a top fighter he's a mentor to goten and trunks it makes perfect sense

[@PikUpYourPantsPatrol]

@@brodystarcher It doesn't. You're explaining how they wanted to write him, not why his potential stagnated

[@bronysaiyan5236]

Forgot he fused with Kami

[@TheDragonzFire]

My head canon is that there was a deep sense of yearning to return to his home (and defend it) regardless of his power level knowing that he could fuse with a warrior namekian should there be any. Used earths dragonballs as motivation (but it’s also a strategic move). Also can’t say he arrived same day since namek doesn’t have night time

[@cody3504]

I wonder how piccolo hides his atennae under that cloth on his head

[@cd2229]

Another great video. Your love for Dragon Ball is palpable. I love the video game themes in the beginning and end

[@justinroberts7373]

I think Piccolo was somewhere between 48, and 60,000. And I think him and Nail was the first fusion in Dragonball history, and fusions are known for giving the ones who fused an incredible power increase. I think that when Piccolo and Nail fused, they were given about an 8-10 thousand power level increase for the fusion in general, then an extra 10x in power level for the fusion, which would bring Piccolo to about a 1,100,000 power level. Which would make sense, because Freiza had to transform on him, and proudly boasted his power level was over 1,000,000 in the form Piccolo faced.

[@eaglest0554]

Honestly, I feel like Piccolo's biggest strength mirrors gohan's: insane potential. Any time he falls behind, he just trains harder until he catches up, and if he can't, he manages to find some missing piece to himself to catch up that way instead. (His namekian heritage through nail, his old strength as the nameless namekian with kami, and eventually finding a way to match Goku and Vegeta's god tier forms not by training with deities like them, but instead getting his power as a gift from the low tier deity his kami half created.)

[@grapplingberger]

akira just wanted to picoollo to fight frieza that was all the thought that went into this lmao

[@Alexander-ix2jp]

Piccolo before Nail was most certainly at least around Frieza's first form, but as Frieza begins to tap into more of his first forms power when battling against the others, that's when Piccolo realizes it might be better to make sure that he can close any additional power gap and increase in his favor. Thus he fuses with Nail. Piccolo's raw power increase potential is insanely high as he's capable of gaining a lot of power in a short amount of time. He is a prodigy within his own race. Legend goes that if he hadn't separated from Kami, as Nail pointed out so delicately, he could have taken out Frieza in his later forms because as a super namekian he only gets rivaled by the super saiyan.

[@user-vn2sf1eg6z]

Great call, he had never done any training other than with himself but started with a good power. Just living in 10× Gravity would have made Goku 1200 from 10, Piccolo would have had a massive. When Piccolo's trained with Goku he became much stronger than in base as did Gohan. That's also why when Goku went to the chamber he first needed Gohan to go super saiyan.

[@kevlark3184]

Damn Piccolo knew what he was talking about when he called Gohan Arrogant.

[@ShockToYoSystem]

When piccolo said im home im alive i feel great rant that was him happy really about knowing his true origin and finally being on home ground finally through the memories of nail, thats why he said im wide awake too

[@fabolous2006]

When Piccolo flew to Frieza he was already stronger than 1st form. 2nd form he was almost as strong but was struggling. 3rd form left him in a gap. My guess is the Namekian fusion gives them like a x50 or x100 boost

[@user-lk7cv8vg7r]

I’m pretty sure he was superior to 2nd form Frieza.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I had always assume that when Piccolo was training under King Kai that he learned the same technique that Goku had learned which of course is the Kaioken and its multipliers. But I do recall in the Dragon Ball Game Budokai Tenkaichi 2 that if you play as Piccolo and before you go to battle Frieza and you talked to Elder Guru he awakens your hidden potential and at the same time he reveals your true identity. Which if I'm be honest that was a missed opportunity to at least have the eldest Namek talk to Piccolo and maybe they could have also fused just like how he did with nail.

[@LordJoe87]

You are right. I think, Piccolos Power Level on Namek was between 35.000 and 70.000. After the Fusion it was between 120.000 and 240.000. So when he uses the 5* or 10*Kaioken like Goku did, he is about 1.200.000, so he can fight freezer.

[@bronysaiyan5236]

Piccolo didnt have kaioken tho and never did or will

[@LordJoe87]

@@bronysaiyan5236 All Charakters learned the Kaioken until the Cell-Saga. They use it with every punch, like Goku did with freezer, not all the time. Just because they don't say: "I use the kaioken now" does not mean, they don't use it.

[@bronysaiyan5236]

@@LordJoe87 name 1 time they had the deep red aura of Kaioken? Ur doing head canon and very poor head canon to boot

[@LordJoe87]

@@bronysaiyan5236 Do you see Goku used it against freezer? But he used the 10*Kaioken like it is just a normal punch. He just mastered it and only when it's difficult to use, the red aura is showing. Like when he used the 20*kaioken. To learn the Kaioken is the most important thing to learn from Master Kaio.

[@claudedavid1729]

I think Piccolo got a moderate boost from the training, but that he got something more: the secret of the Kaio-ken. Not the technique itself, but enough of the idea to amplify his power for brief periods when needed. I believe we see this later on when he faces Dr. Gero. So this may have been a Piccolo with a power level around 10,000 who expected to be able to amplify that by twenty for brief moments up to around 200,000. And he would have the ridiculous power of the Special Beam Cannon on top of that. Which, when used alongside Goku, probably would have been pretty effective against first form Frieza, which was all they knew about at that time. Now, going from the 3,500 he had against Nappa to 10,000 might seem like a stretch, but keep in mind two things: this was a young Piccolo who was still growing into his full adult power, and he had just seen the ki techniques and abilities of the Saiyans. Plus, of course, whatever he was able to learn from King Kai, who would have been able to give him much more advanced training and techniques than he gave Goku (due to him having much more ki control as the Nameless Namekian and the reincarnation of King Piccolo). And maybe he was able to learn some of that Crane magic from Tien and Chiaotzu during the training.

[@CaptDestro]

Honestly Kioken would have been perfect for Piccolo since his regeneration would negate the strain on his body

[@sdkingz84]

What was Piccolo's complete power level when he fused with Kame and the added boost from Shenron? What's his overall?

[@SamJulesGillians]

It does make sense, piccolo is a mutant, he has insane potential or whatever else people say to explain large power boosts over a small gap of time. The issue is Frieza broke powerscaling. Toriyama made him to strong.

[@InfernosReaper]

Powerscaling was honestly borked with Nappa, to be real. The dude was only 500 more than Piccolo, but they couldn't do jack crap to him, despite being able to take down someone with a much larger gap with just 1 warrior backing him up... It's so weird they couldn't beat Nappa or at least come close.

[@AFterMath-ld1vr]

@@InfernosReaperthe thing is Nappa couldn’t have had a power level of 4,000 unless that’s his power when he isn’t taking the fight seriously like against the Earthlings. I say that because when he got focused & seriously fought goku, whose power level was a bit over 8,000, he managed to dodge a kick and trade hands for a small bit. He didn’t get one shotted from a power level that supposed to be “double” his own.

[@TruthPeace]

I think you got the time between his death and arrival on King Kai’s planet and his arrival to Namek wrong. I haven’t read the manga, but I’ll have to go back and look this up in the anime at least. Krillin, Bulma, and Gohan were gone for a short bit before Goku left, and they were on Namek before he left Earth, right? That alone extends your timeline.

[@lovesgibson]

Piccolo is dead for like a little over month. He spends 6 or 7 days on King Kai’s planet because King Kai tells Goku that his friends arrived on King Kai’s planet on the same day that Goku leaves in the ship to Namek, and that ship takes 6 days to get to Namek

[@RoyleVegeta]

Random question looking at the game play (not all of it) a good chunk looks like dragon ball z Budokai because of the cell shading and no outline? my 1st DBZ game I bought ngc. 2nd game I played as I played PS1 dragon ball z ultimate battle 22.

[@jamaali2358]

There is no cell shading on budokai 1

[@RoyleVegeta]

@@jamaali2358 really I thought it was it just didn't have the black outline

[@jamaali2358]

@RoyleVegeta Nah Budokai is pure polygons, brother

[@RoyleVegeta]

@@jamaali2358 lesson learned

[@RoyleVegeta]

@@jamaali2358 oh my, this is so petty of me Budokai 1 has cell shedding on the game cube, so I looked it up found a video and yeah PS2 has a different art style

[@Sjono]

Why even have the arrow in the thumbnail

[@SaiyanScholar]

Halo means dead. This video is about training while dead. Couldn't fit circle on Piccolo Halo.

[@fedetxx6970]

I noticed that Piccolo before Namek was much skinnier and he seemed to have bulked up from that point afterwards. Could just be a shift in animation style but it's been a consistent point that the stronger the z characters became the better they looked overall.

[@danstoevskijoe]

My idea is that Piccolo was -at the time- way ahead of Goku in short training. Goku became a master of training when he tought himself to go beyond his limits (+ the advantage of becoming way stronger in near deatu situations) which is the reason he no longer fought with Roshi's logo. Then he became a master when he trained Gohan in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and bared no logo. Piccolo had trained Gohan before, thus making him a master already. No wonder Gohan chose to fight Cell with his uniform and not Goku's

[@GamersXnostalgia]

I think his ultimate plan was to go with Freeza as a hostage. He knew he had no way of defeating Freeza probably after sensing his energy. Piccolo can say he's Freeza's only way of obtaining immortality, as long as he's alive to use Earth's Dragon Balls. While going to Earth to buy time, they can train. Then again, he was dead set on revenge.

[@TheJerbro69]

Piccolo went from 3.500 to 280.000 as Namekian Fusion gives you a x5 permanent boost to your power. After the 3.500,the next data we have about Piccolo's Power is when he removes his heavy cloths to fight Frieza. His full power at that point was 1.400.000 and if we divide by 5,we can assume that before fusing with Nail,he had 280.000...yeah,without Nail,Piccolo would've die again. Piccolo before fusing with just Nail wasn't different personality wise from Goku or Vegeta,it's only after this fusion that he wise up and became less Blood Knight.

[@candacedikerson2090]

You must of forgot that training on king kai's planet is like training in the hyperbolical time chamber

[@DuckAvenger]

I never thought that before piccolo died he was at 3500 nappa was supposed to be around 4000 but he thoroughly defeated piccolo

[@justinrivera1618]

If it wasn’t for the stated power level of Freeza’s third form, I’d say that piccolo’s fusion with Nail gave him an exponential power increase

[@bradywolfe362]

Namekian fusion gives a ridiculous boost in power. Look at when he fuses with kami, kamis power level is tiny, but his power increase is massive, thats just how namekians work. Universe 6 namekians fused to make 2 people ( you can assume their power levels began around the same as the universe 7 namekians being normally less than 1000) and they were able to match dbs gohan and piccolo.

[@elrifle24]

The whole point about power levels in the show was to show that they didn’t matter. But here we are, decades later, still debating power levels 😂

[@condog209]

i think you forgot the part where mentions that Piccolo has great power, and this is after Nail has felt Frieza, Vegeta and the ginyu force powers

[@mini_mew775]

I hate how they didn't show piccolo really train on kais planet, just meditating.

[@joshruiz9389]

If I remember this properly when piccolo arrived on king kia's planet he was just meditating most of the time. Granted that's one of piccolo methods of training....hmmmm

[@markoconnor7163]

My head cannon always had Piccolo weaker than Nail when they fused.. Nail was the strongest Namekian and he specifically notes how strong Piccolo is, assume this is compared to all the other Namekians but it would seem unlikely that only 6 days could take him from 3500 (average warrior type) to greater than 42000 stronger than their #1 fighter. I put pre fusion Piccolo at around 35,000 so his power goes up 10x which is still a huge boost to achieve in 6 days. If you then apply the Fusion multipllier: (A + B) x 10 = 35000 + 42000 =77000 77000 x 10 = 770,000. Not exactly on par with 2nd form Frieza but close enough that we get the fight shown where Piccolo can content with Frieza but not enough to overcome. Additionally this is Piccolos first fusion so he probably gained more from that the typical fusion.. he gained Nails knowledge of Namekian abilities which probably pushed the fusion further so he gets up to around 1.2m in his fight with Frieza.. enough to knock him down but not out.

[@splodingheads]

He has the battle experience boost it’s how Roshi and Yajarobe can fight on par with other fighters despite being weak

[@nickpino7482]

I’m watching through dbz again (on the orange bricks😅) and I was wondering about goku powering up against ginyu. He’s obviously using kaioken to get up to 180,000 but what multiple, and is he still surpressing or is he actually pushing to the top? If that’s the case, It’s crazy to think that from the ginyu fight of 180,000 zenkai to fight Frieza in the multi millions. Would love to see a vid about this!

[@bluecomet8416]

Base kaioken so double base which is 90,000

[@AFterMath-ld1vr]

@@bluecomet8416yes in the manga, after using Kaioken & after getting his power read at 180,000 Goku said to Ginyu that he could get even stronger than just this (implying that he could still reach higher level of kaioken and then he powered down from kaioken). I’m guessing if he could have potentially been able to use a kaioken times 10 he would have been around 900,000.

[@MrRager1989]

To be fair Piccolo didn’t know about Frieza’s transformations

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

I do know one thing. I still have a theory that the ultimate Fusion is Piccolo + Freeza. Piccolo has healing and can regen, Freeza is damn near impossible to kill. He would basically be immortal.

[@sifublack192]

First, I'll say this video makes sense. However, I read a source that said that Piccolo's fusion with Nail was a 5 times increase in power. When you factor in that 2nd form Frieza has a power level of over 1 million (and Piccolo's was comparable and even arguably higher), this means Piccolo's power level when leaving King Kai's planet to go to to Namek was over 200,000! 😮

[@robertshannon8357]

Actually makes a lot of sense for that to be his power level as if you multiply his and Nails levels together that gets him just over 2nd form Freeza but still well under 3rd form

[@jacejan3128]

In the beginning power levels were like a one to one. You train and your power goes up by one one tick at a time, but at some point it's like their power started going up in exponentials. You train and your power goes up ten ticks at a time or more. Maybe it's gravity training? Maybe it's a function of extremely high power levels? A combo of both? Better/more effective training? Story hacks? I guess it's up for discussion and debate.

[@shaneg9081]

-The only way it makes sense if they semi-multiplied rather than added. 6 days on King Ki's planet and he's 15x stronger without even learning the Kaioken? Nah.

[@kenpanderz]

he just drew his power level on his arm and stretched it out to gain power

[@ZackForester]

Piccolo was somewhere between 35,000 and 68,000 after training with King Kai. He simply underestimated Frieza's power.

[@Reuraku]

The power creep is real and it has a lot to do with the fact that power ups are all multipliers which I feel like wasn't a great choice because it makes it even harder to swallow when characters that don't have some sort of power up keep up with characters that do. Like SSJ is a x50 boost so Krillin for example needs to train 50 times harder to keep up with any saiyan and that's not including Zekai boosts. I can't help but wonder what is the fusion multiplier formula since if it's one player level multiplied by the other that would put him at almost 150M without Piccolo training. It has to have some relation to the power level's of those involved or fusing with someone weak would produce the same results which I doubt.

[@1catinhat]

He probably learned the Kaio-ken there too which would have gave him a boost

[@wardraven8755]

The only reason freeza survived being sliced up is because goku gave him some energy.

[@ocsjc13]

What video game is this?

[@remixxprod]

2:27 why piccolo only got 4 fingers on each hand

[@jamiegreig9699]

I've felt for a long time everyone just thinks of power levels wrong I remember hearing in Death Battle that the whole reason Toriyama introduced power levels was to show they didn't matter. Anyway, I think of power level something of raw power. You can have physical strength or flashes of strength created using technique. And when I think of it this way it makes sense to beat someone with a power level of 530,000 you wouldn't necessarily need to be anywhere near that powerful yourself. You would just need to be smarter. I like to think that was the reason Captain Ginyu was so weak in Goku's body. Goku's natural power was around 20,000 but he was able to greatly exceed that using special techniques. Ginyu only knew how to exert raw power so he couldn't replicate the power Goku demonstrated earlier.

[@patrickk1417]

Pickles get better with age. I would think that if a namekian could build a time chamber then they cound mentally train with a similar bonus

[@Royal-xr7gt]

amazing soundtrack choice

[@thelegendarysupersaiyangod2325]

Do any belive that goku and vegeta need super saiyan blue or we need more super saiyan god

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

Nail wouldn't have a frame of reference for how strong piccolo used to be. He almost certainly means that he had gained great power for a namekian in general. He's got to be at least around nails power. I really think he's around base gokus level when he got to namek or around 90k

[@Chris-ni2pc]

pretty sure it was made up after (plot armor) but if kami and piccolo fused and then went it would be an interesting story to see freiza defeated by piccolo

[@stevensamuels4041]

I always think when Frieza said, his first form has 530k. I think its his bulk form, his 100 percent form in his first form. I think Frieza base form, shoul be 150-170k.

[@gloobark]

also he fought second form frieza who i'm pretty sure had a 1 million power level

[@blackmagician7645]

Well. We have to keep in mind. Às flosting audieces to the larger wtory being told. We have access to much larger lens to everything unfolding and can see the statis with more added hindsight than the characters in the show during most times. We knew Piccolo was over his head. But he didn't know that.

[@ssj2_snake]

The question is how much did the Nail fusion boost him. If your theory is correct, then the Nail Fusion would have boosted Piccolo over 20x his current power level, in order to stand up to Form 2 Frieza.

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video

[@somregularguy]

Nah I definitely think his power was at most a 150,000 fused with nail, he went to Freeza anyways because at that point Piccolo was more rash and brazen than he is after fusing with Kami

[@Maikovichi]

Not sure if it was before or after Piccolo got revived, but they did beat the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet. That could also say something about their strength.

[@fouraztecas6342]

In kai, nail is shocked of his power

[@CASHMONEY138]

Piccolo- 400,000

[@dan_loup]

It's obvious that king kai just sent him to be a forest ranger for 6 days

[@Flossy2K.]

What makes no sense to me, unless there's something I'm missing, but why couldn't they just wish Frieza was weaker, or wish him to be a child again like GT Goku? They could of beat him easily and made their other wishes in peace

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

You can only guess that Picollo thought he was stronger than Freeza before he got there. Remember he's not a normal Namikian. He is a Super Nameikian, or rather his father was. Anyone with the "Lord" title is suppose to be a Super Class of Nameikian. Also one would assume the Multiplier is by 10 (just like the fusion dance) Base + Base X 10. It's never stated but it's a decent guess. He doesn't stand a chance against the 1M Freeza, but he's not instantly killed either. I guess he would ne closer to 500K - 600K. But since we don't get a look at freeza's scouter, we'll never know.

[@MaelZack]

The issue is Piccolo managed to hold the Frieza second form which had power over a million. Assuming the power of fusing with nail multiplies by enough ammounts. Piccolo had at least 600-800 thousant of power. He was little bit short of fieza 2nd form.

[@TheAllPapa]

Finally someone pointed this out

[@cheese1234b]

Okay remember the z fighters vs the the Ginyu force. They dominated them and the Ginyu force had power levels between 50-70k give or take. So z fighters had to be at 80-90k at the high end and Piccolo was so far ahead of them that none of the training was really for him. Nail whom was Ginyu force level but not beating Recoome probably about equal to Vegeta. So I'd say piccolo was easily on par with or just below Goku upon arrival.

[@silversonic1]

Let's not forget that filler also had the Earthlings kick the Ginyu force off of King Kai's planet. So maybe King Kai really was holding out on Goku. Either way, power levels are bullshit. Also, did we ever really get confirmation that none of the other characters learned to use the Kaio-Ken? Because Kaio-Ken.

[@franz009franz]

piccolo didn't know the exact power of frieza. how would he feel it from kai's planet? he underestimated freiza's power

[@yomatokamari]

Nameks were always a warrior race. It wasn't till elder guru reformed namek post famine that they became peaceful. The wartorn namek that bred kami/king piccolo that was his source of his dark side and unnatural split. The reason the namekians seemed weaker than him and freiza because they were a split of a split of the original nameks who had powers that could be closer to gurus true power. Guru could have been a fusion the last remaining nameks of kami's generation that didn't flee the planet and conserved his energy slowly rebuilding and repopulating the planet. Nail seemed like a warrior who reached his peak at 18,000 power and piccolo had a similar power level as his thus making the fusion even stronger than normal. So 36,000 times 10 multiplied by 3 would put his power peak just below freiza in his second form for five seconds, if he could get a shot off without freiza putting up a fight. Goku was about 180,000 base and could hit about 720,000 for three seconds per kaio ken. Freiza says his power is over 500,000 in his base form and hits over 2 million fully powered. Piccolo was confident he could kill freiza, until his final form, even having multiple strategies to work with Gohan to do it.

[@cdt549]

is thi reupload ? or smth

[@parkouremaster]

Maybe piccolo was watching dub dbz and thought frieza power was actually 53000.

[@alldayagain]

On the Kami Planet training, no one other than Goku (and arguably Piccolo) improved ANY from "training" in that planet 😅

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

unless we wanna say krillins destructo disk was equal to freeza on a scouter, maybe piccolo wasn't counting PL number but form of the technique. Also vegetas monserous PL as a great ape wasnt overpowered by anyone but had a weakness that was exploited. Piccolo can have hope

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

Or maybe he charges SBC for an hour and gets a 38x boost lol

[@Fearfulocean]

Pick ohl's power level isn't as high as freezes, but apparently nail has the ability to perceive weak points and his fighting style. So, because piccolo knows frieza's fighting style which is like kind of stated in the anime, I don't know if it's in the mall. God, I don't read the Manga, but Neil even says something to freeze a weather fighting in a second form. It's only then when freeze a completely out. Powers pick alo and his third form that the power levels actually seem to match up. But apparently, if you know your opponent's fighting style and you know exactly how much energy to put into points where you're being hit and how much energy to put at the points that they are weak. Then it doesn't matter if the person's power level is double or even triple your power level. The fight will look, even you didn't just have to be fast enough to be able to either dodge the attacks or tank the hit

[@eranshachar9954]

What if he planned to use the Mafuba on Freeza while Gohan and Kuririn distract him? Or maybe he planned for Kuririn to put Freeza in a full Nelson, and do the same as he did to Raditz and Kakarrot. Either way he had a plan, and let's not forget that as a Namekian his body would have been able to endure at least X10 Kaioken. I know people say the Earthlings can't use Kaioken but we have no proof that they didn't learn it. I think they do know how to use it, Piccoro even admitted to amplify his KI against #20 (ring the bell?). He possibly used it against #17 as well.

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

Seeing krillin succefully pull off a full nelson on freeza would be peak

[@eranshachar9954]

@@lordlittletoeq8537 I agree. If he would have been able to hold Freeza for a whole minute he would have become my favorite character most likely.

[@rockman7503]

So... he has 10x after king Kai. 42,000. Then x10. 420,000. Then x3. Ya. He sensed frieza at 1 mil in his second form. He totally thought he could pull it off. Til 3rd form hit him like a ton of bricks.

[@ESKAIELOS]

They were all around Raditz level when they reached King Kais world. Way stronger than Goku when he first went there.

[@Mohammedhk876]

Welcome to another episode to putting an arrow and a circle on random locations on the thumbnail

[@christopherballero866]

I love DBZ but the power increase was absurd & makes no sense. Akira has said that he used it for plot plus he didn't have any time to plan things out

[@jessehutchings]

I think it was basically just Piccolo knowing he was stronger than the others and that he is more of a meat shield than they are .. and his special beam cannon

[@williamssimeon2664]

I wish all the z warriors was wished back somehow and fought on namek

[@STILLWILLPHOTO]

He was counting on his stretchy arms and yoga flame but the anime was suppressing those abilities.

[@Genya2008]

Picolo was a bit more then 3 Months there not 6 days. Check all facts Bulma Krilin and Gohan reached Namek after 6 Months. Picolo and the others startet there Journey to King Kai right after they're death and only needed half of the Time then Goku. Goku needed 6 months so they needed 3 months. It is a continuity Error that King Kai mentioned them only when Goku startet his travel to Namek.