Why Pokemon Pros were WRONG About Iron Crown.

[@jimothycool]

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[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Klawf also learns high horsepower, clearly the horses have evolved into the superior crab species

[@CyanKnight96]

I am known Aggron Advocate for the Horse Council. Aggron is my favorite horse, only rivaled by Falinks. If High Horsepower is not the metric by which we quantify horsedom, I fear my worldview may be shattered. That said, I trust the Council to come the reasonable conclusion.

[@infinitedepression4508]

Are we completely sure that Iron Mugulis, who I’m pretty sure is doing his time for his crimes, is not behind these additions to the horse council to upend their authority?

[@cooldud7071]

Counterpoint: High Horsepower is not a horse-type move. It's a car-type move. Hence the term "horsepower". This is why some horses can't learn High Horsepower.

[@ShenaniganBros1]

@@cooldud7071 Indeed. This is quite possibly the reason why Revavroom is not on the council despite learning the move

[@tecul1]

that's iron brian

[@jimothycool]

Iron Crown is his stage name.

[@hps362]

He's the long-lost brother of Great Neck.

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

You mean iron goat 🐐

[@HORSECONSUMER]

Well atleast hes not drinking brian

[@supremeclamitas5053]

As opposed to Steel Steven Edit: Ferrous Francis.

[@mendel8]

In a world of increasing horse creep, Rhydon has risen to the horse council in a very honest way

[@teethcoat4274]

I think all horse are creep

[@wentoneisendon6502]

Rhydon is a very honest, Bosnian pokemon

[@_Sinduss]

Personally believe rhydon is stirring the pot so a stricter definition of horse is made which will remove horsie and magcargo from the horse council ending the horse civil war.

[@zoeygeorge2403]

Rhinos are pretty closely related to horses in real life..I think our horned friend gets a pass.

[@saladgaming4339]

Iron Crown may not be able to learn the move High Horsepower, but the revelation that Spectrier, a Horse Elite, is also unable to do so leads me to believe this Paradox Pokemon should be allowed a place in the Horse Council.

[@usernametaken017]

We cant just open the floodgates like that

[@Birdsflight44]

They're based on unicorns with lightsaber horns, so its legit

[@ezed8748]

I agree, flutter mane is clearly a horse

[@derpidius6306]

​@@usernametaken017 It would be more proper for Spectrier to be exiled

[@DeckKnight]

Keldeo is pretty blatantly a horse(unicorn), Cobalion and Virizion are much more like deer. Terrakion seems like a moose/bear hybrid. Stocky as a bear but with hooves and "antlers."

[@isak6498]

Beating the Iron Clown allegations

[@noobiesensei6281]

Meanwhile Iron Boulder needs to face the Iron Burden allegations.

[@Exquailibur]

I mean at least neither of them are iron leaves, that one is a lost cause.

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Iron Boulder losing popularity in OU in the generation it was introduced? It really is the future Paradox form of Terrakion

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, Iron Boulder would have had to have been really exceptional in OU to not fall to the same fate as Terrakion as a rock/psychic type.

[@Mahongler]

Indeedee learns Expanding Horse

[@Deadflower019]

mlp inflation

[@kingambitreal]

​@@Deadflower019NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@kaimanthelizardwizard1248]

​@@Deadflower019it would have cost you $0 to not post this

[@ERAA-on-YT]

​@@Deadflower019 And I thought the original comment already sounded wrong...

[@Ivanhoenn]

And the likes of Lucario and Hariyama can use Horse Palm. Where will the madness end?

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

This actually sort of reminds me to the Infernape and Empoleon dynamic in Gen 4 Infernape at first was the more favorable option due to being a fast, explosive, immediate threat. But as the meta shifted, it went more into the favor of the slower, bulky attacker with defense/offense utility.

[@Brandon.thebaby]

empoleon is the goat

[@gottlicherteppich4523]

even has the quality of a garbage grass type rounding out the trio (sorry torterra fans)

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

@@gottlicherteppich4523 As an Iron Leaves fan, I am offended, but also understanding of where you're coming from. Because it's the truth.

[@djdrizzy9139]

Torterra was UU in gen 4; not garbage at all.​@@gottlicherteppich4523

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

@@gottlicherteppich4523tortera isn’t entirely garbage in ou it’s just very niche. Rock polish sets are still perfectly valid in the format.

[@vamshidaren9649]

The Horse Chronicles have me on edge every time

[@sharkronical]

It fills me with high horsepower every time.

[@Justice4bug]

Iron crown? More like iron clown! *screams, OHKO’d through my sash that has enabled my overconfident statement*

[@Tetzll123]

Wrong video

[@DeltaDonsan]

@@Tetzll123 nah it’s right gang

[@MrShadowThief]

What I love is Moltres constantly entering and leaving OU.

[@FirstLastname604]

Regigigas can also learn high horsepower, he’s just taking a REALLY long time to reach the council

[@Yellow-bm4ry]

it's because of its ability, slow start

[@TaLeng2023]

Well he is currently pulling a continent with his balls so I can't imagine that going fast.

[@midend]

vtec kick in soon

[@anthonywalker6268]

Horse power is a unit of measurement based on the power of a single horse. To have high horse power you aren't a horse, you have the power of many.

[@owenblount7334]

I mean the average horse is capable of more than 1 horse power

[@somebodyuknow2507]

Horsepower is the power of a horse averaged over a whole workday; they can output much more than 1 horsepower (a *high* amount) in short bursts

[@owenblount7334]

@@somebodyuknow2507 and you can factor in the selective breeding since that unit was made making them slightly better

[@dethiamthelaw1353]

Sure, the horse lore is heating up. But are we gonna ignore that a member of the chicken clan, Moltres, has just risen to OU?

[@Kenny-Blankenship]

It's Moltres Monday, folks. Every Moltres has its moment. This is...not insane, actually.

[@_Rhatsody]

Again!?

[@DCBiscuit]

From RU too. That’s my boy.

[@myveryownpants]

and serperior to UU? you’d think terastralization would make it amazing, but no

[@dudesayshi2191]

Is g Moltres any good or at least any of the g birds

[@CjqNslXUcM]

We need to define the necessary and sufficient conditions for membership in the polyphyletic group of horses.

[@ValianceGames]

Funny. Isnt this exactly why Cobalion started seeing use later in the previous generations? It wasn't as fast as Virizion or as strong as Terrakion, but it could do more. So much more. Volt Switch was also one of the redeeming qualities it had. Very cool that Iron Crown really is like the 2.0 of Cobalion

[@appointmenteer]

as a certified Cobalion Enjoyer you truly love to see it. thank you Funny Goat

[@BLUBBLUBMOFO]

It also mirrors Cobalion in the sense that it’s an antilead utility Mon. Cobalion was mostly used in previous generations as a Rocks Setter and pivot!

[@ValianceGames]

@@BLUBBLUBMOFO Oh wow that's actually sick! What a crazy dichotomy

[@mr.sandman7339]

@@BLUBBLUBMOFO Also being a bulky Steel/Fighting type gave it good resistances and coverage vs both Fairies and opposing steels. Yeah it's not racking up KOs but thats not its job as a utility mon that happens to not be too passive

[@thatgenericgamer7919]

Spectrier can't be a horse as spectrier is dead. Horses are famously not dead, otherwise they couldn't do things such as gallop, pull carriages, or use high horsepower.

[@isharpanesar-johal1365]

But molten snails also aren’t horses so are we really going to do this

[@Nanachiiky]

​@@isharpanesar-johal1365but it knows high horsepower, meaning it HAS to be a horse

[@isharpanesar-johal1365]

@@Nanachiiky bringing the real world into this, a car is measured by how much horsepower it can output. Does this mean that a car is secretly a horse?

[@Nanachiiky]

@@isharpanesar-johal1365 no it has the power of multiple horses, can the car use the move high horsepower

[@isharpanesar-johal1365]

@@Nanachiiky but if having high horsepower is a defining feature for horse qualification, would that mean that real horses aren’t actual horses?

[@SilverScarletSpider]

all metagames eventually evolve and become more defensive slow and bulky as time goes on because Finch’s ou council on smogon only ever bans offensive pokemon

[@torch-eh7ti]

Don't say such things! Big stall will come for your throat.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

@@torch-eh7ti stall is inherently not fun

[@AshenDust_]

Is this a real take?

[@dylldj]

I will sub to Jimothy Cool. Pokemon like Magcargo and Snorlax getting into the "Horse" council while Spectrier is ousted is outragous. New rules must be set in order to ensure that horse pokemon are welcomed into the council with glee, while the farces like "Rhydon" , Snorlax and Magcargo are rejected on the spot. This post has been sponsored by Horsea INC.

[@Jake-kr8sc]

HORSE CRITERIA!: I can ride it off into the sunset and pet it and it goes "neigh"

[@usernametaken017]

Behold! A horse: 🦜

[@greattitan371]

Plato ass definition

[@tempestgreen1125]

Snorlax: You can ride it You can pet it It goes hrrgggh when it hardens Close enough?

[@hex-dp5bq]

Carrying on his ancient brother Terrakion's legacy as the Smeargle Breaker. 172 SpA Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Smeargle: 272-324 (108.3 - 129%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[@usernametaken017]

what if smeargle used double kick in return

[@Sneeek]

Getting really invested in this horse council storyline

[@chester1882]

Every crown’s rise means a boulder’s fall.

[@black7594]

its okay Jim, we'll only hold it against you

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

Here's a another one for the Horse Council: Golurk naturally learns High Horsepower since it was introduced.

[@Aoi_Tori_]

You know what they say, every Brian has his day.

[@jameswalling6234]

love seeing Arryk and Erryk make an appearance beyond the grave. 7:53

[@Flameprinz]

In the last meta I used a similar idea as a hyper offense lead counter in "Salamence". This Salamence had a "Choice Scarf" to outspeed all potential leads, but had a "+Attack" nature with "Moxie" to also potentially have some late game usage. The key to this Salamence is "Dual Wingbeat" which OHKOs "Ribombee" with "Focus Sash", and is fast enough to outspeed it as well, not letting it get up "Sticky Web". Along with the move "Iron Head" to face off against "Alolan Ninetails" and "Glimora" (although Iron Crown is notably much better against this lead) leads, this Salamence would often be up 1 kill with an attack boost after the first turn was over.

[@thatonegaminglatias4345]

That's actually really cool honestly :)

[@forshame428]

Critically Magcargo can’t learn high horsepower, only Slugma can. Magcargo’s horse-ness is merely inherited, a classic case of horse nepotism.

[@mrityumara]

Iron boulder rolled so iron crown can parade.

[@crazyaboutthomas]

Next video should be dedicated to finally deciding once and for all what Pokémon are horses and which are not. The horse council drama is overshadowing Old Money’s corporate takeover and our priorities must be set in order

[@chrisfacchiano7356]

Horse: noun 1. a large plant-eating domesticated mammal with solid hoofs and a flowing mane and tail, used for riding, racing, and to carry and pull loads. 2. a frame or structure on which something is mounted or supported, especially a sawhorse. verb provide (a person or vehicle) with a horse or horses. Because of this, I support spectrier as a horse because it fits the first definition, Pokémon like Magcargo, as much as I support horse diversity, only provides horsepower, which is simply a unit of force equal to roughly 735.5 Newtons/second. Because of this, I would push to revoke it’s horse status, though because of the large strides it has made for the horse community at large, I believe an honorary horse society membership is in order.

[@Cleffr]

Okay Horsea, get off your alt account

[@ImJustBag]

Missed opportunity to have Iron Boulder saying "Oh. You." To parody the name OU

[@Footballfan896]

I really admire Iron Crown’s resilience. He may have been shunned from the horse council, but he kept persevering until the horse council truly recognized him for the horse he is.

[@mr.sandman7339]

That's why he's the GOAT! Goat Delegation rise up 🐐

[@pantslesswrock]

For breakfast today I went out with my friend, freshly returned from the coup in Bolivia. We both got the biscuits and gravy platter with eggs over medium and sausages, though he got links and I got patties.

[@horizontal]

Rhydon was the first Pokémon ever designed.

[@hps362]

And in the early generations, this Pokémon was excellent competitively.

[@tecul1]

⁠😮

[@TheGoldenSmeagol]

Dear Jimothy Cool, I beseech thee in not forgetting our beloved Klawf, another inheritor of the Pokemon move High Horsepower. Not only that, but it's cry is clearly a "moo", making it unquestionably a horse. Thank you for your consideration.

[@MintyTea_N]

Okidogi would like to have a word with the Horse Council on the behalf of Smeargle

[@lohn2559]

This is ridiculous. 2024 and still some people think that if you can’t learn high horsepower you aren’t a horse. Horse status was never about horsepower. Rhydon’s court case is an absolute joke. We used to be a country.

[@sharkspeedo]

his birth right to the crown has finally been recognized once the devilish schemes of the horned king were uncovered.

[@10carflo22]

Well the legs aren’t connected to the hoofs, so Spectrier can’t lift their legs up to use High Horse Power

[@maxbeancounter]

Iron crown has just risen up to OU

[@drillnewsandclips3798]

after a long period of being considered among the worst paradox pokémon in the game

[@MelonSeedOfficial]

When the DLC first released, this all new future form of coballion was laughed at

[@TimeToSine39]

Iron Boulder, the future form of Terrakion, stole the show.

[@YuiFunami]

@@TimeToSine39 as the seemingly superior paradox form

[@aryalongnose69]

With its high speed and powerful signature move mighty cle

[@hugovanelsen8629]

Came to this channel for the competitive pokemon videos, stayed for the intricate horse council lore

[@flamingo5164]

Jimothy and FlygonHG need to get together and make the definitive pokemon horse tierlist

[@Axelpvz2030]

Here waiting for iron mogulis to be revealed the master mind behind the whole horse council chaos

[@bg-cc6hn]

I had been curious about why the sentiment around IC had shifted of late Great video as always Jim!

[@WhyCatsCantFly]

the horse lore expands every video

[@kamdeoray3573]

WAIT WHY IS MOLTRES THERE 00:02

[@butteredsalmonella]

Its an awesome mon :)

[@swenji9113]

Excellent defensive typing that almost always finds a niche across generations i'd say

[@ClampEEGEE]

Because boots exist now so rocks don't murder it

[@techknight3753]

Also Iron Crown AtTakyon you twice in one turn, a devestating trait for sure.

[@sora4440]

This Horse Council lore has me on the floor with each new addition. The Sea Horse, is considered a Horse. The Fire Slug, is considered a Horse. The Bipedal Rhino, is considered a Horse. The literal Ghost Horse, not a Horse 🤣🤣🤣...

[@JackSpadeVT]

Funny how the competitive history of Iron Boulder matches that of Terrakion. Same for Iron Crown and Cobalion. History repeats itself

[@chester1882]

6:35 Iron Nose spotted in Gen 9 OU. Sources are still unsure how this came to be.

[@disasterarchfiend9638]

I'm not gonna lie, I saw Iron Crown's potential right out the gate. I literaly told my firend IRL that this mon definitely has a future. What's actually really cool, is that it volts vs Ghold and vs Kingamit, allowing them to be bullied by the right mons, and Future Sight / Psychic coverage disuades Great Tusk from switching in too recklessly, not that it enjoys taking Tachyon Cutters on the switch. It's also worth noting that booster speed cutter prevents most good leads from doing anything. I've had a couple of matches where I ended up having to pivot into a preserved Ribombee, so what I'd done, was go for Future Sight first, then OHKO it with Cutter, to force my opponent into their dark types. As mentioned, it handles Kyurem REALLY well, forcing the Tera, only for it to get removed by the Future Sight + Priority is what Poetry looks like. In my opinion, Crown, and Lokix are genuinely good mons. And there's actually potential for even more good sets out there.

[@Nagatem]

Kind of a beautiful redemption story. His original self is horrible and everyone thought his future self was horrible but now he’s proving everyone wrong.

[@pmahcgop6693]

Perhaps the horse council needs tiers of horseness. Being a rideable quadruped with high horse power like mudsdale and glastier is the highest tier of horseness. While magcargo is a mere patron of the horse council since it has access to high horse power. I believe this gives a voice to all potential horses while keeping the values of the horse council the same.

[@p0s1x_p]

Love your Intros. I hope the horse council can solve these internal issues quickly. Also why isn't Iron Mugulis acting on the high opportunities to finally get into a powerful position in these disrupting times, I wonder.

[@CoralReaper707]

For me, a horse council member is a Pokémon that looks like a horse, can learn high horsepower, or both.

[@daphenomenalz4100]

The only issue is that, despite having 122 base spAtk it still feels slightly weak offensively without booster energy for some reason

[@juderrs7028]

we should also consider how high the horsepower of all those horses is and if some pokemon are horses but with a low horsepower

[@tomatogenesis]

As a huge Moltres fan, witnessing him rise to OU makes me most happy!

[@FreyRosfield]

I'm so happy that my goat (literally) is being recognized 🥰🥰🥰

[@ProfessorChad0570]

Well, what a way to come back to OU after a long time.😊

[@PrincessGoth574]

It’s hard for me to remember that the paradox swords are all psychic not steel because of their names.

[@Neverleterlun]

Once again Mr Cool is standing up for those forgotten. Truely excellent content as always. I hope balance can be brought to the Horse consoule once and for all. However I am here once again asking for your support in representing Raichu our beloved leader of the F.E.A. His suffered injustices continues to go unnoticed. Please help us shed some light on this troubling situation. Thank you.

[@wentoneisendon6502]

I like it cos it spins its head when it faints

[@themister.s-1st]

Iron Crown has just risen up to OU.

[@zeph519]

After a long period of being considered among the worst paradox pokemon in the game.

[@raizenlim6910]

​@@zeph519worst has to be iron thorns though

[@TheStormRxal]

​@@raizenlim6910 *Iron Leaves Leaves the Chat*

[@raizenlim6910]

@@TheStormRxal Leaves has a niche in lower tiers surprisingly. Thorns is completely unviable sadly

[@the_bookworm8281]

@@raizenlim6910 Thorns is quite solid in NU alongside Brute Bonnet. Then there is Scream Tail stuck in PU...

[@rayanalfaraj8]

If this goes on my favorite Pokémon Dugtrio can be called a horse for knowing high horse power, it can also punch and slash which horses do usually lack. It could be the most powerful horse this is insane.

[@user-AADZ]

And I'm feeling it, TACHYON

[@NotAdriana03]

Iron Crown more like Iron King

[@dnddude9652]

I find it funny that Cobalion’s gone through something similar

[@bluekirby_64]

Very informative video, but there's still one question left about Iron Crown... Why is its move called Tachyon Cutter?

[@voidspace662]

Because it Attachyons you twice

[@rohandatta7111]

This is why I always tell people in any competetive game (yugioh, smash, pokemon, etc) not to sleep on new options initially and let them develop. In smash for example, everyone thought byleth was trash at first. Mkleo proved them wrong, and now byleth is a solid high tier.

[@justjoyas]

we beating the iron fraud allegations with this one

[@BiffTheBanana]

Iron Brian has arrived on the scene... Will he stay there?

[@DragapultRules]

We need a documentary on the lore of Jim's intros.

[@raizenlim6910]

Bro fuck Iron crown. My homie Moltres finally OU

[@usernametaken017]

what the fuck is moltres doing in OU

[@themister.s-1st]

@@usernametaken017making physical attackers calm down with its flame body

[@Seetiyan]

Certainly an apology is due from everyone who doubted Tachyon Cutter. I immediately recognized it as valuable. Any move that deals with substitutes and Mimikyu are valuable, plus it's not a weak move, and it's accurate, AND it's not subject to the downsides of physical contact.

[@butteredsalmonella]

Who TF uses Mimikyu in OU lol

[@volzuloof]

I personally believe these legendaries were chosen because there was no appropriate name for them as past paradox Pokémon. They have no traits that stand out. Perhaps if they were horses, they could be named Great or Angry Horse or something.

[@dadiscoverychannel]

Oh yes... when Arceus mentioned that he could put Magcargo on the priority list for the Horse Council, he was desperate. This play. The writing is intensifying to the point where we might not be able to contain it.

[@TaLeng2023]

I wish they also buff Iron Leaves. Well first thing's first, they can make Psyblade the common Paradox Musketeer sig move, just change its effect to gain the boost in Electric Terrain instead. Then they can give Leaves a new sig move. Dunno what it needs to be useful but I'm thinking of some light-based Grass attack that goes through screens and subs and ignore DEF boosts. The screens are not broken but instead powers up the move, basically roasting them behind it. I'm gonna call it Photon Slash.

[@cpopppp]

this is an interesting topic because iron crown is not simple to understand why its ranked so highly

[@impbutnot3701]

A mad funny option is specs crown. Before I tilted like mad, I got to 1600s with it because it was that funny. Not a very practical thing but man specs tachyon cutter hits like a truck. Plus it guarantees ohko on clod with psyshock and you don't need chip on kyurem for tachyon ohko. Again not exactly the best set, but give a shot it's pretty fun catching people off guard with it.

[@ishaangupta1422]

Always believed in Iron crown, those tachyon cutter just helps so much in lead matchups

[@errimusberrimus383]

Spectrier may be able to claim "Horsey Immunity": The ruling that a pokemon who is agreed to be a horse is immune from the consequences of any official moves that pokemon may or may not know.

[@Elfman126]

That's a lot of horsing around but, I am glad Rhydon is now been granted Horsehood.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

please talk about why Iron Valiant is valid in OU while Life Orb Genesect isn’t

[@themister.s-1st]

Was hoping to have the Ho-oh’s paradox boys be in OU and Keldeo’s paradox boys be in UU. Nothing but a dream in the end

[@Kos4Evr]

I think that the best accomplishment of Scarlet/Violet is that no pokemon truly feels useless. Some are more useful, some are more niche, but every pokemon has its function that it does as well or better than anything else.

[@nitro5247]

I like that iron crown has been experimented with more, and recently become a proper OU Pokémon. It’s a very cool design, both visually and gameplay-wise. Hope to use it to great success myself.

[@gouthammahesh3298]

Meanwhile Iron Leaves OU and our collective memory

[@JosephVargas-v6h]

Spectrier originally was able to learn high horsepower but lost the ability to use it when it died

[@sobbleco6248]

Iron Crown is definitely on my top 3 favourite Paradox Pokémon, especially after using it on a Psyspam team.

[@jacopodivita8763]

So, when i first used it on my ou team it did nothing so i jokingly nicknamed it "iron clown" and he then proceeded to sweep 6 times in a row officially becoming "iron king" miss that team

[@Seacle14]

The room the Horse Elite were in makes me worried about the future of disease control in the Pokémon world.

[@violence5700]

How're you getting custom trainer sprites for showdown?

[@charliepark1955]

Love every time he says Tacheon Cutter

[@pmfg11]

Crown also comes in infinitely on Slowking Galar only fearing Thunder Wave

[@zowwycafe]

Iron GOAT (also sad to hear the horse counsel is in shambles qwq)

[@dungeontortoise2432]

I wonder if Spectrier doesn’t learn high horsepower because its hooves are… ethereal? They don’t look attached to the rest of its body, at least.

[@io-xz3nt]

It has recently come to the council's attention that a number of other mons also get "high horsepower" despite their non-titles as horses. Such mons include: Melmetal, Rillaboom, Buzzwole, Chesnaught, Cetitan, Golurk, Guzzlord, Orthworm, Torterra and Wishcash among their pre-evolutions. Should these mons too be allowed access to the council?