Why Preterism

[@wbdangelos8393]

Most people are not willing to admit they were wrong. That's pride.

[@Damaminka]

This is an excellent concise explanation of Preterism.

[@joannekiepura6348]

I’ve been a Christian since 1972, when I was 19 years old. I’m not 71. I’ve led multiple women’s bible studies. This year, I sincerely asked Yahweh, what is the truth about the end times, the millennium, the coming kingdom? There are so many pastors and teachers teaching and preaching different things about the ‘end times’, the rapture, etc. My human mind understood all these teachers/preachers can’t all be speaking the truth, So I requested that my Heavenly Father sit me down, even as a little child, as a kindergarten student to tell me simple and plainly what is the truth about this? I was so shocked that this time when I read the words of Jesus in Mt 24, that I recognized that Jesus said, all these things will happen in your generation. What??? Based on what Full Preterist teachers communicate, that is what I am, by the Spirit of God. When the truth was revealed to me, I didn’t initially think that I would be introducing my bible study ladies to what the Spirit had revealed to me individually knowing what a shock it would be to them as well. But that is what I am doing. God created me to be an inquisitive, curious being. I wonder, Why Yahweh? Why has the false teaching of the coming of Jesus been mis-preached for so many years? Why are so many of today’s preachers teaching false doctrine? Why is the truth seemingly only been revealed to a remnant?

[@louiseridder2764]

Thank you Travis and Zach, very timely message! Christ Jesus' and His apostle's time statements, context, audience relevance, understanding apocalyptic Biblical language, proper exegesis, understanding the Old Covenant starts at Genesis - - (The New Covenant concealed in the Old, and the Old Covenant revealed in the New) is the way to to get the correct understanding - - Covenant Eschatology is the framework in which a Believer In Christ can understand the Word of GOD correctly, worship Him in Spirit and Truth, and walk in His Way in the Faith. Believers In Christ wait for nothing - All things are Fulfilled In Christ Jesus; He is our All in all; the Old Covenant Fulfilled In Christ, and the New Covenant fully established in AD 70. Blessings

[@dannyg2311]

Exactly. Very well put 👍🏽

[@threep1719]

Beautiful! Where can I get these slides or the word documents?

[@mikequist1]

Excellent discussion of preterism. Any chance that you might post the slides for download?

[@michaeleugene5547]

I have been listening to different videos on this view of preterism. And I must say if you let the Bible interpret the Bible and you are honest with yourself you really can't come up with any other interpretation. Thanks for putting out the vest video I've seen yet on preterism.

[@biblewaytolive]

Very clear unlike so many other Prederists. 👍👍👍

[@SiftingPerspective]

great way to end it! Ive experienced the same thing. had many friends that completely stopped talking to me when i became a FP and the church black balled me. Its weird because I know that if this was anything else, like becoming atheist, converting to JW, or literally anything else, I know i would have dozens of calls and meetings to try to talk me down. but instead, its complete silence... even though the pastor literally said I cant be a christian... for believing the gospel but not the physical future second coming. It just reveals to me that the modern church has made an idol of the future physical second coming of christ and are too afraid to even have that view challenged.

[@seancrippen2167]

The second coming was future to the early church. We don't disagree with them because we believe it was in their future but our past.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

This is absolute proof that NOT all prophecy was fulfilled in the first century: Jeremiah 30:1-8 says, "For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers (Genesis 17:8: "I give to you and your descendants...all the land of Canaan, as an EVERLASTING possession...”) and they shall possess it...For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds. Foreigners shall NO MORE enslave them." This says, the Jews will come back to their land NEVER to be enslaved again. Hitler and his Nazi regime enslaved the Jews in concentration camps and tortured them brutally to death. Six million Jews savagely murdered. The whole context of this passage is God will bring Israel back into their land, NEVER TO BE ENSLAVED AND TAKEN FROM THEIR LAND AGAIN. This says, NEVER AGAIN. It definitely happened with Hitler and the Nazis. So, this was a prophecy that ABSOLUTELY was NOT fulfilled in the first century." Remember, the Bible says, the Land He gave to their fathers is an "EVERLASTING" possession. They were removed from their land by Rome and then imprisoned by the Nazis, THERFORE this absolutely must be a prophecy fulfilled on May 14, 1948.

[@aikhongchua8978]

Another excellent video brother Travis. Keep it up!

[@Marshall-mt1fu]

That was a wonderful brief overview. Thank you for sharing this.

[@oboria]

Blessings brother Travis🙏 I would love to connect with you, i have questions concerning Ezekial 36. May be you can direct me through scripture. Thank you!

[@grobison9696]

Did you say you were from ne Arkansas? My family and I are as well ! Kind of lonely out this way with this belief😎

[@deanfloyd8931]

LUKE 21:22 "For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." Simply put, the bible is an old covenant document, requiring fulfillment during the duration of its origin....if not, our God would be a covenant breaker. Something to consider

[@trwhitr]

Great lesson!

[@JohnWayne-fo6ss]

We are living in Satan short season right now

[@GreatTrollger]

41:45 Though indeed, there have been celestial signs of angels and Christ in the sky. Josephus The Wars of the Jews 6.5.3., Tacitus The Histories 5.13., Pseudo-Hegesippus 5.44., Ethiopic Pseudo-Josephus 87, The Sibylline Oracles 3.889-1003., Cassius Dio Roman History 63.16

[@duaneking273]

Great video!!

[@cerickson5256]

How do I find Travis' channel

[@zachdavis3882]

youtube.com/@travis_drum?si=tVQ6eEtSwFjBabFm

[@cerickson5256]

@@zachdavis3882 Thank you! I just love your channel. I started with Bruce Gore and listened to his Revelation and church history series and then found you, Don Preston, Michael Sullivan, Berean Bible Church, and I just love learning this stuff!

[@RogerHales]

​@zachdavis3882 you travis,don,mike,william,larry,say JESUS HIMSELF DID NOT COME, S M H

[@Ditchdiggerpewsitter]

Clear and very understandable presentation of Preterism, Fulfilled Eschatology, Covenant Eschatology. Nice work Travis - Hope 2025 will be a revelation year for so many of the Lord's people

[@DanielOrfield]

Fantastic demonstration of what I conclude to be the final Truth regarding the Bible….

[@dmo1964]

Really superb job on making the case for preterism. Fantastic! Not bad for an ole country boy 😬

[@marthadavis5068]

Travis , you did a great Job! My thought afterwards is that I would say the same thing to Preterist about studying more deeply about Universal salvation. Listening to people who have devoted their lives to this topic would be learning from caring believers who love the truth as well. They also get called heretics. Lets lay aside arguments and learn from each other. Baxter Kruger, Paul Young, John Crowder, etc. I have listened to all of you and believe we can learn even more in Love .

[@DannyFesperman]

Universalism is heresy. Salvation is only to those who believe. A man is dead in trespasses and sins. He must be born again to pass from death unto life.

[@kelliea5729]

CS Lewis is defining someone I trust. How would ANYONE want to follow a false prophet. Give me a break! I believe Jesus, the apostles, and historical records more than CS Lewis.

[@tecora7419]

Looking at the Interlinear Hebrews 9:28 uses DEUTEROUS not PAROUSIA or ERCHOMAI so I am confused in what you are saying here for this verse

[@DISP-CEPTED]

Full and partial preterism is a distinction with a huge difference. Full believe the parousia took place in first century, partial do not.

[@janosterud4188]

A great run through of why preterism 👍👍

[@StephenD71]

The resurrection is the key. If the last trumpet hasn’t sounded yet then we are still waiting for the resurrection. And no one goes to heaven besides Jesus and the first fruit resurrection saints. Just look at all the near death experiences that show people die and go to heaven now. We are no longer waiting like people in the 40 years after the cross before the destruction of the temple…

[@PaysonPomPatrol]

13:11 It should be Timothy 6:13-14. Not chapter 5.

[@wheatandchaff-z6s]

Consider a man, let's say 22 years old, living just north of Thessalonica on a farm taking care of the sheep and chicken, during the time of the judgement upon Jerusalem. He is a believer in The Messiah . Nothing much happens out of the ordinary in his life besides taking care of his animals and property. In the year 75 AD he continues on farming just like before the Judgement. How does Hebrews 9: 28 apply to his life?

[@DannyFesperman]

Since he was still there after 70AD means that he wasn't saved, so if he never got saved, he would die and go to hell.

[@michaelolivero3400]

Before you get to the man of sin, the rapture is in the first verse of second Thessalonians we are beseeched by Paul by the coming of the lord and our gathering together ! That’s the pre tribulational. lol but u skipping that to make your wrong conclusion

[@DannyFesperman]

To use futurist terms, the rapture was post-trib, pre-wrath.

[@5thBeatle]

At the 11:30 mark, should read, "1 Timothy 6:13-14", not 5:13,14

[@fishingisfun8841]

You should do a video and upload it

[@carlosdanger1843]

Well done, brother! Biblical, intelligent, with a very Christ like demeanor!

[@duaneking273]

From Lubbock. To heck with them Razorbacks lol. They’re whooping us! 😂

[@billevans512]

Honest partial preterists should admit that they actually believe in a third coming. If the parousia (presence) is past, then Jesus Christ is our Emmanuel, God with us.

[@thecrisisfortruth]

Didnt Jesus come first time for redemption and Judgement? That means he completed the redemption when he died on the cross and he completed judgement in70CE in that generation when he destroyed the temple mount. So his second coming is yet.

[@j.reesebradley4771]

The clearest presentation of preterism yet.

[@johnkayes8666]

Zach is this Preterism or Plagiarism 😊 And there is nothing basic about Travis’ teaching, thanks for the re- upload.

[@timmartin4216]

Spread it! Great video.

[@chriswolfe7067]

Ah Travis@ Travis In that crucial 1Thess:4:15-18 passages @26:32 you and we, you made a distinction when none is intended. @26:35 “we who are alive”, nah man You pointed directly to yourself, that’s a bad slip, I’m sure you didn’t mean the very opposite of what you were saying, but great study just walk people through the verses. You can’t get around it, unless you INTENTIONALLY intellectually dishonest! Ah but there are so many that don’t want to change their thinkin, even when overwhelmingly corrected. Great study, love it dispite the slip..❤️👍

[@pauldmckee]

My basket has another pearl of great wealth

[@stevenpritchard4742]

On the day of the lord when he gave upthe ghost the sun went black for 3 hours and the blood moon showed there was an earthquake that split the holy of holies tearing the curtian and God theew the fallen angels out of heaven( stars)

[@stevenpritchard4742]

And the old Jews rose with him three days later

[@youcancallmeaugustus7559]

Graciously presented!

[@billhesford6098]

Yes, it's all over the place. They were all wrong, including Jesus, or He came back.

[@FullCounsel12]

Gnosticism and heresy.

[@zachdavis3882]

Amen

[@mrcubsfan97]

Only a heretic believes Jesus was telling the truth

[@mikeworsley1773]

Good case, well stated👍

[@theologymatters4209]

C.S. Lewis was also right about another statement. That is the most embarrassing passage in the Bible. Not for me. Not for you. But for the majority of Christians in the modern world. This passage can be used, (and is often used) to discredit Jesus and His apostles and Christians have no answer. The are made to look absolutely foolish. They get publicly embarrassed.

[@simonskinner1450]

Hebrews 9:28 is not a second coming of Jesus, but those after judgement of 9:27 that did seek Jesus, they shall appear a second time without sin.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@@simonskinner1450 I can't find a single translation that renders it the way you say. It's Christ that would appear a 2nd time. 'Will appear' is in reference to Christ otherwise it would say "they would appead a second time to those who are eagerly awaiting." They were eagerly awaiting Christ's 2nd appearance. It's clearly a 2nd coming passage.

[@simonskinner1450]

@JR-rs5qs I say eagerly awaiting salvation, as 9:27-28 is parallel to 10:14, that by the sacrifice of Jesus to become our Judge, and by this he has perfected those sanctified, as he washes away their sins to make them perfect. This I say is also parallel to Romans 8:23 as the redemption of the body is washing away sins. It goes on to say in 10:26-31 the opposite of those who are baptised yet sin and are not judged for salvation but wrath. And of course Jesus was never said to appear a second time, but that we would not see him.

[@DannyFesperman]

​@@simonskinner1450 The redemption of the body is not washing away sins. It is the resurrection/rapture at the appearing of Christ.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@DannyFesperman Romans 8 is our redeption of our bodies, is resurrection for those whose body has been redeemed from sin.

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

The fact that this world of sin and death still exists is evidence that preterism is not real.

[@zachdavis3882]

This is what happens when you misunderstand the covenant context if the Bible

[@JR-rs5qs]

It's "the" sin and "the" death. It's not physical death that is the issue; it's covenantal/spiritual death. If you are in Christ (and I assume you are), then the curse has been reversed for you. The death Adam was told he would receive was not physical. The LXX says 'you will die the death'. By believing it was physical death, we're believing Satan rather than God. Satan lied about what God said but he lied using a truth (that they wouldn't physically die when they ate of the fruit, which they didn't).

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

@@zachdavis3882 If God is perfect and is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then why does he need to make a new covenant?

[@wtpa_luke]

@@Patrick-sg7cmbecause man is not

[@tomg6318]

@@JR-rs5qs The New Testament says the first man was earthly or fleshly so for him it could have meant physical death. The second man Jesus was spiritual Therefore at that point spiritual death had a meaning

[@rodwitzel9260]

Very powerful video- clear description of preterism. CS Lewis was right on 2nd coming re 70 AD. as per scripture.

[@kelliea5729]

Thanks Travis (Zach) great teaching!

[@joshuaellis1387]

No one can see this bc we are in a time when we've lost our love for the truth. We've been sent a strong delusion bc we believe the lie of dispensationalism and that the Lord Jesus Christ has not returned. We love and believe our own heaps of doctrine and interpretations more than the actual words of the Word Himself. We are in the little season of satan and he has blinded us from the truth as well. We must pray for truth and discernment to come out of this strong delusion, and go back to studying the word with the Teacher Himself. Also, Paul says in 1thess 4:15 that those of US that are ALIVE and REMAIN unto the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Rev 22:10 John is told NOT to seal the book bc the time is at hand...Daniel was told to seal his bc it was 490 years away in the future, but Johns is allegedly 2000 years in the future but he is not to seal it??? Shalom

[@skadoosh20]

I used to believe we are in the little season, but now I believe we are beyond it. In Matthew 24, Jesus told his disciples that the end of the (old covenant) age, the tribulation, and his return would be in their generation. Matthew 25:31-34 tells us that judgement day happened when Jesus returned. The dead from OT time were judged, (Rev 20:13). Revelation 20 has satan bound, judgement (Rev 20:4), satan loosed after a thousand years, so simple math is in 1070AD, then gog and magog (there is no gog and magog in our time). Rev 20:11-15 is the details of the judgement spoken of in verse 4. Two earth eschatology teaches that the judgement happened on new earth, which is the kingdom of heaven that John the Baptist, Jesus, and his disciples all taught was at hand in the first century. Because "passed away" in the Bible means to pass by or to come to; you can look it up in a concordance. So in his vision in Rev 21:1, John passed/went from first earth to new earth, and there he saw the mega holy city, New Jerusalem on new earth. Isaiah 65:17- 66 and Ezekiel 40-48 also about new earth. We live after Bible prophecy, under the new covenant.

[@markusmustermann1265]

​@@skadoosh20The resurrection of the living NC believers and dead OC believers in the spiritual heavenly Jerusalem in the presence of God was fulfilled around 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. The other dead, however, did not come back to life until the thousand years were completed. (Rev 20:5). The spiritual union of all believers in the heavenly Jerusalem: And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, brought down out of heaven by God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Rev 21:2). The judgment before the great white throne and him who sat on it; from his face the earth and the heaven fled away; no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to what was written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and its kingdom gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged every man according to his works (Rev 20:11-13). These were all the deceased Old Testament religious Jews and the living Jews who defended their temple to the death. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life (the saving gospel of Jesus), he was thrown into the lake of fire. The 1000 years were the 40 years 30-70 AD. The little time came after 70 until Christianity spread to the nations. The beast from the sea could have been the Jewish rulers under the Herod dynasty, and the beast from the land, the lamb with two horns, the Roman Empire. Blessing

[@joshuaellis1387]

I still think we are in the little season bc for years I read these passages but didn't see it bc I believed all the teachings of men. After praying for discernment again bc I was feeling stuck, suddenly the words finally hit my heart. I was astounded bc no one else can see it. The words of the Lord Jesus Christ are plain as day that He was returning soon. I went through denial, confusion, anger, acceptance. This happened bc I've been an intense watchman and most Christians are seeing all the second coming signs again now, as was I, and believe this is the second coming. I think we are in the little season bc satan knows we believe dispensationalism over the words of Christ, so he's blinding us as well and taking advantage. We are all expecting the tribulation and Him to part the clouds soon. It's pure deception. The temple everyone is watching for is pure deception. All of it is. So we will worship the false messiah when it arrives. Beware brothers and sisters.

[@joshuaellis1387]

I think they've added years to the timeline so that all of this deception is converging at what seems to be exactly 2000 years from the Cross, making it even more plausible that it's the second coming. The UN (a wand of satan) formed in 1945 and they allowed Israel to be reformed in '48. Pure deception.

[@skadoosh20]

@joshuaellis1387 I'm thankful that we've seen that Jesus said he'd return quickly, in their generation! PTL!

[@donhaddix3770]

Preterism is confusing nonsense if you try to make it fit the bible

[@lonnierandall7882]

Hmm? Interesting! Did Peter believe the end would come in his generation? If he did, why would he say this? 2 Peter 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Jesus said, Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation [genea] shall not pass, till all these things be done. That one little scripture is what caused the false doctrines of preterism, which claims that all of the prophecies were fulfilled by 70 A.D. The Greek word "genea" which was translated generation in English does not just mean the span of a man's life. It also means an age, or an era, as well as a nation. Obviously it did not mean the span of that generation because all prophecies are not fulfilled. So choose one of the other definitions of genea. Jesus was saying this current state of the world will not end until every prophecy is fulfilled. Paraphrased: Verily I say unto you, that this age [genea] shall not pass, till all these things be done. Ephesians 3:20-21 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages [genea], world without end. Amen. Genea is plural or singular. It can refer to any span of time. It depends on the span of time you are referring to. It could be the span of time from creation to the end of time, or it could be the span of time from Jesus' resurrection till His return, or it could refer to the span of a man's life. It is apparent and obvious that all of these things have not yet taken place. They continue to this day, and there are things that have definitely not yet happened. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Time is Relevant It begins like this. 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,... We are given that admonition before we are given this information. 2 Peter 3:8 ...that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. It means more than just that God is eternal, so time is irrelevant to Him. It means what it says. Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: How did God "declare the end from the beginning"? By giving us the seven day week as a perpetual reminder. The age or genea of man will be six days or six thousand years. The last or seventh day will be the millennial rest of the earth. So that we will not get discouraged and wonder why it has not come yet, He gave us Hosea 6:1-3. Hosea 6:1-3 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. Hebrews 4:8-10 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

[@mrcubsfan97]

You’re saying the Bible is mistranslated, and you don’t believe it. It’s not open to private interpretation

[@lonnierandall7882]

@@mrcubsfan97 It is not that it is mistranslated, it is that many words have more than one meaning. And many words in Old English have different meaning than modern English.