Interview with Joel Rosenauer

[@fulfilled70AD]

I enjoyed this interview! It's disheartening what Joel has had to endure from his family and the church. Heartbreaking!

[@thepastdays]

Thank you for your kind words; appreciate you watching!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Agreed! Brother Joel has really used these trials to bring exposure to how important it is for us to love one another. Thank You for your kindness.

[@fulfilled70AD]

@ShadeStoneMusic Absolutely!!!! I have no words for the way the church has treated him. 💔

[@lanemiller1353]

My heart is hurting for this man. I pray the comfort of God will be with him, and that somehow his family will be restored.💔

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You.

[@thepastdays]

Thanks for your comment. We are divorced now which may not have been clear, but I do pray and hope for restoration with my children. Thanks for your comment ❤

[@lanemiller1353]

@thepastdays Yes sir. I subscribed to your channel and listened to an interview with Shelley from there is no place like home and another guy. I enjoyed it, and will keep checking back. Shelley is the one who got me first looking at preterism when she did an interview with Shade. It has been life changing. God bless.❤️

[@beckyjames4855]

This was so good! You both are able to present your views without anger or condemnation. I love both your hearts. You both strive to be kind through the differences.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@beckyjames4855 ...Thank You for saying this. It means more than you know.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

Thank you brother Joel for sharing . Know that you are being lifted up in prayer. Thanks to you also brother Shade. Gods blessings to you both.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Good Brother Bradley!

[@faithhopecharity2386]

I am so grateful to hear his testimony. Since learning what we actually live on with a firmament above us, I have peace and same with coming to preterism, so much peace! Christ’s peace! I had carried so much turmoil thinking and believing that the tribulation was around the corner and what if I get left behind….scripture stated that woe to the pregnant and nursing mothers, terrified me as I have ten children and have been pregnant or nursing for over two decades. I know stories of women intentionally not having children because of those verses. So sad. May the Lord restore everything and more that this man lost. His faith is strong and you can see that he holds peace and hope ❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

And I want to Thank You Sister for this testimony you shared here with all of us. You are free indeed. May God bless you and your family.

[@thepastdays]

Thank you for your kind words. Christ’s peace to you!

[@deanfloyd8931]

An amazingly simple way to reveal the heart's of others.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Tribulation often does have a 'truth revealing' character to it. It may be the reason why it needs to exist.

[@sheilashaver]

Thanks Shade for interviewing Joel. What a difficult situation he is in. Praying for him and his family 🙏

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for your prayers and kindness.

[@thepastdays]

Thanks for your comment and your prayers.

[@kellywheatley807]

The second commandment, "Love your neighbor as your self" still seems to be the hardest commandment to follow for most people. Making loving your enemy's that much more difficult. How it effects your love for God also coming into play, is part of the same issue. Interesting how scripture is still alive and exposing us all to it's truth.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes indeed. Thank You for sharing!

[@flamingswordapologetics]

Great interview Shade with my good buddy and Podcast co-host super swellllll Joel! Thanks for linking our Podcast as well.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Darin! It was a joy to be on your podcast and it was a joy to have 'super swellllll Brother Joel on this channel.

[@Triumph_of_the_Sky]

Pastor Joel is about to receive a hundred times more than he had.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for posting this kindness.

[@deborahrosefistner6421]

@@Triumph_of_the_Sky praying for Joel 🙏

[@lianepetersoncampbell3238]

Excellent, fabulous interview, thank you for sharing in love, grace, and peace! 🤗 (I always say, believe what Jesus said.)

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much Sister!

[@KenLeroy-l7m]

Thanks for Joel and sharing his testimony Shade. We all struggle with how to share the changes in our believe. Like what you were both saying, walk in love, that is the challenge.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

And Thank You for sharing this.

[@stephanietalbot7376]

Great job Joel 🩷

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I agree!

[@KingdomNow-ox1fc]

This is a great interview, thanks to both of you. Anyone who has lived their entire life under the narrative of everything hinging on a future second/physical coming of Christ will have a very hard time accepting that everything they believe has been a lie. I don't think I am overstating this. The difference between thinking that Christ has more work to do versus knowing that His work was done long ago is nothing short of life altering, and many are not going to be able to even consider this massive of a change in thinking. They would have to deconstruct most if not all of their lives. They are not able to wrap their heads around any of it. Dispensationalists have been raised to defend their position and they cannot see the forest for the trees because they spend all of their time defending their position instead of seeking truth. We know the gate is narrow and very few will find it. And we know we will be hated for the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for His namesake. We know these things to be true. This channel and others that are sharing the one truth are blessed by Jesus Christ. Thank you.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for your kindness and sharing this message with us.

[@dianalynn4804]

AMEN

[@jewela44]

Very enjoyable conversation! It's awesome hearing his story and perspective. It makes me sad to think of the abandonment and betrayal he experienced, and I can empathize in some ways. I pray that God will continue to be with him in his life. Thanks!😊

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much Sister. Your kind words are greatly appreciated.

[@Ditchdiggerpewsitter]

Great chat guys. Loved hearing Joel's story again. Thanks and hope this will bring others to further examine the scriptures to see if these things be so. Bless the Lord. Love br. David - Canada.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you Brother!

[@OJubilee13]

All glory to God. Love you both so much.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much!

[@loleki737]

Amen...All Glory to God! It's disheartening to hear what Brother Joel has been through with his family and from the elders and congregation. Yet...he brings so much truth and encouragement in spite of it all...choosing that Love for others over the pain. And I appreciated 'Peace doesn't come through answers...peace comes from Jesus.' Praying for his continued peace, comfort and wisdom. Thank you for inviting him on to share his story and bring encouragement.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much Sister!

[@thepastdays]

Thank you for your kind words; they mean more than you know!

[@kelliea5729]

Finally, my long awaited discussion - you are for sure my favourites - both such a blessing

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you so much Sister!

[@bobparsonsartist564]

In my conversation with Shade the other day I was hit with that, why there is such an unusual and vehement reaction to full preterism is the consequences of the resurrected life being unleashed upon the world. It is not so much an eschatological question, but a revealing of a fuller Jesus upon the world.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Excellent commentary here Brother Bob, loaded with great wisdom. I'm grateful for our chat, friendship and hands of fellowship.

[@harpazoskys5133]

Christ loves us unconditionally. And we are to love the same.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Excellent message.

[@JackMcClendon]

Brother Shade, and Brother Joel. This was a brilliant conversation. It was upbuilding and uplifting. Shade, you are an excellent interviewer. You know your subject well. You honor your guest with respect. Brother Joel is a godly soul. My bride and I are praying for brother Joel. We are confident that Holy Spirit will abundantly bless Joel. Sincerest sympathies Joel on your loss. I see a bright future for you Shade and Joel

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I appreciate you Brother Jack & Sister Birgie! And on behalf of myself and Brother Joel, we are grateful for your consistent encouragement.

[@janosterud4188]

Great talk together. Thank You I pray to that we will better learn to love each other 🙏💗

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is a great prayer! Thank you.

[@hallereisbeck397]

2 of my favorite content providers! So happy to see you get together for an interview. ❤ you Joel and Shade!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Holy Hugs to you as well!!

[@janosterud4188]

Shade Thanks to Your and Other videos are bringing it about

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

My pleasure! Thank You.

[@deborahrosefistner6421]

I'm so sorry for what you have been put through Joel. As I listened to you tell your story, I couldn't help but wonder about what church you were with because it rang so much of what the Jehovah's witnesses organization would put a person through. I will keep you in my prayers 🙏

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing your kindness and heart Sister!

[@thepastdays]

Thank you dear sister ❤

[@ladyjean2809]

Excellent interview! Every time I come to this channel and hear more truth, Im more fulfilled, all i want it the truth of Gods word. On another note: just wondering if anyone knows of a gathering of people in Red Deer Alberta who believe in fulfilled eschatology?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for the kind words and encouragement! I don't personally know of one...hopefully, someone will see this post from around that area.

[@jenniferpepler5843]

I live in Wetaskiwin, so we are pretty close to each other. I don't know of a place, but agree, it be great to find one! I attend a church but the more I learn, the more I think most churches would behave no different than what he has experienced here. It is very sad, because we are missing the very point to love one another.

[@harpazoskys5133]

Un-conditional love has no strings bribes or compromises.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Well said. Thank You!

[@sentinaludo1489]

Wow! I can relate. Christ did say there would be internal conflicts for those who follow Him. It is sad when someone's lifelong belief and theological system is questioned and the resultant eschatology is challenged with an explanation that is better, the mind recoils and emotions control the soul regardless of the truth. Cognitive dissonance. Preterism really is God with us. Emmanuel! But many refuse to even consider it. Prayers for you Joel!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

All of this was very well said. Thank You!

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

I agree, Shade. It makes no sense why believing Yeshua was Victorious is heresy.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

The word 'heresy' gets spread like peanut butter and gets 'stuck' everywhere; Lord willing I will be posting a presentation on this subject.

[@kelliea5729]

Joel could have sued them, but I respect how he has chosen to deal with such horrid treatment. God bless, Joel.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Brother Joel extended more grace than was called for in the situation in my opinion; But as it is written: Love works no ill. Brother Joel took the extremely high road. Thank You Sister!

[@harpazoskys5133]

It’s called Cognitive Dissonance. Thank you brother Shade !

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

And Thank You for sharing!

[@andreastarks2780]

It’s very hard to censor yourself in your local church bc the fulfillment of eschatology is all inclusive in the Good News! It wants to burst out like a fountain and then the listeners try to plug the fountain.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Very true. Love the analogy. Thank You!

[@deanfloyd8931]

In the way contractual obligations are binding, covenant requirements must be fulfilled within the time period of the contract. The bible is an old covenant document, this fact alone requires its fulfilled within the covenantial period of its origin (prior to 70ad). Jesus proclaimed: "THESE ARE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE, THAT ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED" A legal point not many are taking into account.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing Brother!

[@deanfloyd8931]

@@ShadeStoneMusic This perspective speaks volumes in favor of the Preterist POV, yet so far, no one has chimed in one way or the other....I find that quite curious

[@gustingdis]

Shade is right. We change our view on eschatology and then are not willing to reexamine anything else. We become like those who feel that we are taking away their hope. What was Jesus meaning when he said you must loose your soul to gain it? Was he not speaking of the paradigm that those Jews cherished so deeply but were not willing to give up for the sake of the reality? One has to wonder if we are making a mistake when we build upon a structure without inspecting it for soundness. As painful as it may be.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for sharing this!

[@Christian-NikolaiNSkiles-Black]

Hey just curious but does the word mostly or not at all apply to us and if it dousnt do you have a specific video that talks about that. Thank you. Great video. Have a great day.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I do have some videos that I think will help answer your question with more detail than I could type out here. So here are some titles: 'Universal Unequal Reconciliation'. Also, 'The Judgment Seat in 70AD'...and 'The New Law of 70AD'. I also have a series called 'Mercy over Anger'. I think all of those would be helpful. Thank You and Happy New Year!

[@dbol205]

So sorry you went through this but I am assuming you are coming out the better. Reminds me of many passages in the Bible thinking of acts when they go preaching and healing yahudiym stirred up the guiym.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I think you are accurate in offering a point of view that suggests that sometimes, the trials and tribulations can eventually bring about a lot of good. Thank You for sharing!

[@dougking573]

My wife doesn't believe my full preterism views but she basically agrees to disagree. I want to love her as Christ loves me and puts up with my issues and less than perfect and changing beliefs. My pastor also disagrees with me but I'm not on staff. I was an assistant pastor in another church up until 12 years ago and was a partial preterist. I stepped down due to my former wife committing adultery and refusing to reconcile. l forgave her immediately but she chose to follow through with a divorce.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I'm happy to hear that your wife has taken the position to stand by you; this is much more important than eschatology. Our views of what Scripture communicates can and sometimes should change. But loving one another shouldn't. Thank You for sharing your experience with us all and may you have a Happy New Year!

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

I personally think understanding fulfillment is hated because it nullifies the power and control of "religion" and its "clergy" by confirming direct unmediated (non-man mediated) access to God. If religious authority doesn't stand between the leity and God, then everyone is freely, subjectively, and directly responsible solely to YAHAVAH for seeking, trusting, and loving in Spirit and Truth. Maybe I'm wrong and most disagree, but that's my observation. Thanks, Shade and Joel.

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

P.S. Mind that there is a difference between leadership and authority. I forget sometimes some folks don't recognize the difference.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@One-Ruler-1Victor...There is most certainly a difference Brother. Yet another subject, Lord willing, I will be able to post a presentation about in 2025.

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

Amen! Personally, I don't see covenant creation. I see what the argument is, but I'm just not convinced. Maybe it's the correct view, and I'm just not ready yet, but to hold belief or unbelief in covenant creation as a requirement for unity is ridiculous and unloving. My2Cents

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I'm with you Brother. There may be 'different views' but so far it appears the concept requires Adam to be the 'first priest'. No Scripture speaks to this. So I can't help but think this concept will simply create a 'new religion' rather than keep the focus on the greatest commandment. I 'saw your 2Cents and added a nickel.' LOL

[@christianmichael8]

I brought up CC bringing on Chuck Baldwin for a discussion because he lives in Montana and Tim stated Chuck needs to repent of dispensationalism and young earth creationism. Chuck has already lost everything denouncing his former beliefs and holds to the fulfilled interpretation of revelation but he didn’t seem interested. I don’t think young earth creationism is something a person would need to repent of and there is little proof that Chuck even holds to that belief. This is a perfect example of FP shunning other believers. We need to be careful and make sure we don’t become the very thing that we hated other people doing to us.

[@valeriehinkle8995]

So instead of trying to lovingly show their brother the "error of his way" with scriptures they turn their back on someone they consider a brother?? That in itself says a lot about these church elders/leaders whether he's right or wrong. I pray God opens the eyes of those who have wronged him.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is indeed a wonderful prayer. Thank You!

[@mrcubsfan97]

One side of the argument operates by ignoring scripture. You can’t love God and your neighbor without submitting to scripture.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing.

[@scottevans1096]

Apparently the KZbin algorithm can't discern between the historical perspective of Christianity that I want to see and devotional perspective content like this channel. Despite this I watched enough and read through the comments and understood the situation being described and feel compelled to share a perspective with all of you that might be helpful for everyone hurting by this development. As a person who has never been able to assume any of requisite concepts from any denomination but studies them all anyway out of pure curiosity, I offer this simple observation of Christianity that's been true from the very earliest days: Christians have been calling each other heretics since Pentecost. The "holy spirit" has only increased sectarianism, not resolved contradictions of discernment. See the book of Galatians for the earliest evidence of this truth. At the end of the day there's no method for determining correct or incorrect interpretations. It all comes down to subjective personal feelings and disagreements have all to frequently resulted in violence. I can't help but think the slow steady advance of the historical critical perspective that has accelerated very rapidly through social media is intensifying the divisions of those remaining in more conservative, dogmatic fundamentalist traditions. Best of luck to all involved going forward.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing your understanding and experience.

[@ronmalley]

So sad to hear about all the distress because of being a preteris, I'm so sorry 😞 just to let you know I've lost all my friends I thought they were.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Sorry to hear about the loss of friends Brother Ron. That said, we appreciate the kindness you share here. Grace & Peace.

[@magsgil8181]

Yes. This all sounds familiar. I was told I had grown a fork tongue haha. Also demonized for being against a certain war

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing! I'm not sure why so many deny the plain statement: 'blessed are the peacemakers'...in exchange for an eschatology that supports the opposite. But it is indeed a common story.

[@kayty6673]

Think of all of the wars that white nations could not excuse if everyone was a Preterist.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It's a game changer.

[@BrianSchnautz]

You don't hope for something you already have! 😀 Believers already have eternal life in Christ! "Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life." When it's your time to leave this world, you go straight into God's presence for eternity. What's not good news about that? To live is Christ and die is gain. No one has lost a thing by changing to a fulfilled eschatology...other than fables for their theology.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thanks for sharing Brother!

[@Truthtalks86]

.... It seems to me that almost everything changes... Dovetailing off of your statement. The calvinist arminian debate starts to take a different look. Election in Providence start to take a different look. As you've noted in your videos eternal damnation or the eternal state can start to take a different look. It's almost a new starting point. So far I don't buy the covenant creation at all but I'm trying to give them a fair listen but it sounds nutty to me.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I sincerely appreciate this post. Thank You for sharing it!

[@janetbillingsley950]

It was all being devised behind your back, the meanness of the church is very sad. I am so very sorry this happened to you. Hey, did they walk you to the edge of the property? Restraining order? Sorry, I’m pissy for you. Can you tell I’ve had a tiny taste.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It appears this may be something that is close to home for you. I am sorry to hear that. That said, I appreciate your commenting here. Thank You.

[@One-Ruler-1Victor]

I didn't know we used vulgar words like "Sam Frost" on this channel... I cringe every time I hear that name. Lol

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

We get a little PG-13 around here at times...LOL

[@thomasmorgan5028]

You will be hated for my name sake ... Jesus Immanuel 😢

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting.

[@YeshuaReigns2-t2d]

It's all part of the plan. God's plan is not about skipping down the yellow bricked road then taking a nap in the poppy fields. Jesus is called the prince of peace. Yet Jesus said "Think not that I have come to bring peace on the earth but rather a sword....a man's greatest foe will be from within his own household." Only God knows how many times that has played out since the 1st century and how many more times it will. It seems to me that God is not drawing all of humanity to Christ at the same time. It seems He's calling a comparative few to inherit the kingdom, aka that special salvation. And we have to ENDURE the slings and arrows from those not called to that level of glory. In the end all will bow the knee and confess Christ as Lord. But I believe that process will take a long, long time...ages. God is still building His temple of lively stones. This was not completed in 70ad. Therefore all things have not yet been fulfilled. The new Jerusalem is still under construction. What happened in 70ad was the perfection of the foundation stones aka the apostles and 1st century pillars. But the building is still going on. Looking at it from that standpoint, at least for me, makes the journey a little easier. Even though it's easy to get pissed off at the contentious religionists, having some understanding of God's plan makes it easier to look on them with some level of compassion. Not to say that some of them do not deserve sharp rebuking, cuz they do. Ecclesiastes says there's a time for peace and a time for war. Anyone want to guess what time we're in right now? As always bro, you bring out great presentations. Peace.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I always appreciate your wisdom and thought provoking posts Brother. I appreciate You!

[@markusmustermann1265]

That is not true, the heavenly Jerusalem was completed around 70 AD. Since then, all human souls can enter the heavenly Jerusalem through faith in Jesus. Blessing

[@YeshuaReigns2-t2d]

@markusmustermann1265 No sir. The temple of lively stones was not completed in 70ad. Just the cornerstone with the 12 apostles/foundations and 1st century pillars. Thr stones have been being put in place since then. Peace.

[@markusmustermann1265]

@YeshuaReigns2-t2d But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels, and to the assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, which speaks better than the blood of Abel (Hebrews 12:22-24). The Messianic spiritual kingdom came on Pentecost through the fellowship of all believers in the presence of God in the heavenly Jerusalem. But it was completed in the union of all OC believers and the NC believers around 70 AD. Blessing

[@markusmustermann1265]

@YeshuaReigns2-t2d John to the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is coming, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and Lord of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has redeemed us from his God and Father, to him be glory and power, for ever and ever. Amen. Behold, he is coming with clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. Yes, Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty (Rev 1:4-8). He came in the glory of his Father to judge in 67-70 AD in the wedding feast with all believers, the bride of Christ and the bridegroom Jesus in union in the spiritual heavenly Jerusalem of the holy city of God. (Rev 21:1-3). Blessing

[@daviator4720]

Unbelievable .... You can not reference Scripture in defence of your beliefs ? ... about Scripture ? Wow ! ! ! Great interview Shade, thank you! I am saddened about Joel's challenges, but heartened that he has had Jesus in his life to walk alongside him in his valleys.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Dave! Brother Joel really is a good man and has handled these challenges with amazing grace. Your kind words are appreciated.

[@andreastarks2780]

It’s very hard to censor yourself in your local church bc the fulfillment of eschatology is all inclusive in the Good News! It wants to burst out like a fountain and then the listeners try to plug the fountain.

[@michaelseay9783]

Why would you go to a facility that worships a dead Jesus?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Tell us how you really feel! LOL