Why Rappa Is "Bad"

[@gamecool2110]

5:41 sure the break damage is low but the super break damage doesnt count the element multiplier

[@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584]

Issue is that they normalized break units with weakness implants to begin and now in type of content where you are most likely to encounter diverse weakness types, she doesn't have it

[@JoxTheMash29]

I dont think rappa is bad, shes pretty much just positioned badly banner wise and release wise. As someone already running ff and bh, im pretty much covered for single target and multi target. I really dont need a PF break charscter since my ff is well invested into e2s2. Would rsther improve those teams with fugue than getting another dps.

[@solarenity]

e2 firefly + bronya = rappa

[@wswann34]

She should have been released before FF

[@bamboozled_again]

rappa is just not worth it, she follows the weakest dps path with the weakest element without the weakness type implant, i feel sorry for every new or uninformed player who prolly going to be scammed by her, very unfortunate time for her. She could have been interesting if they would have released her before boothill, but now that we know about weakness implant being such a big deal she is just infinitely not worth at all which is kinda sad because her design and her skills looks fun, thing is, funny or personal favourite designs doesn't help you in the game.

[@JoxTheMash29]

@@bamboozled_again yeah its kinda ironic that they've released two characters first with weakness implant that pretty much destroys the typing issue and then release another break-oriented character without it.

[@danalynch118]

@@bamboozled_again tell that to Xueyi

[@mariokungfu2216]

The main problems with Rappa is that she only gets 50% toughness damage against non-imaginary enemies and she needs either a lot of elites on the field or a lot of little mobs for the team to break so she gets a lot of stacks. The second problem might be solved or at least mitigated by Fugue’s release.

[@EyesDontCry]

You don't want to use rappa as the one reducing toughness either, so if fugue has universal toughness reduction on ult she will be perfect for rappa. Rappa prefers to be doing the superbreak damage, so if you can use other characters to reduce toughness and hold rappas ult until her next turn, you can use ult on turn for 2 enhanced turns in a row both doing superbreak damage. She's really not bad at all but these things just hold her back, and again since fugue is introducing exo toughness rappa will also be getting her ult back quicker and have another extra turn once she leaves ult. I think she can be really good but is going to depend on fugue much more in MoC, otherwise she will be perfectly fine in PF and AS since those modes tend to have more mobs and AS benefits break characters heavily. Meta wise firefly is obviously better, but as someone who has firefly I personally find her very boring, rappa looks much more fun while still having plenty of potential. I would not discourage someone getting her if they like her gameplay at all, especially since break teams only continue to get better as time goes on.

[@xuk6042]

Think the biggest issue with most skippas is her banner placement 😅

[@RaikamiX]

1:04 The problem isn't that rappa doesn't have a weakness implant, it's that she's an aoe unit, which we've seen with acheron warrants low base toughness dmg. Afterall, a dps like feixiao doesn't have weakness implant but is able to ignore toughness. On a single target scale, that doesn't matter too much which allows her to have massive toughness dmg even without a ruan Mei. Having low toughness dmg as a break unit alone isn't good, coupled with the fact that it's further reduced when she's against non imaginary weak enemies.

[@kitsuchii6809]

She has multoplayers that cover her low breake and img being 1/4 of fire in terms of dmg just for ff supports help breake way faster eaven if ff is not aoe i personally think ff= rapa if vs img weak rapa but her ignore weaknes is 50% weaker vs nonelement wich also impacts sbreake dmg normsl breake dont do much there 😅

[@kokoro212]

Feixiao is a crit type dps. For a break dps, there's nothing she can do. Fei's ult can do 600k to unbroken Hoolay. Compared to 600k Firefly on broken Hoolay, sure the crit type has advantage over the unbroken bosses. Unlike Firefly+Lingsha/Gallagher, Rappa can't do anything about it. She just need the weakness implant.

[@MineMineMineMineMineMineMine]

I'll still pull for her. I have e6s5 Boothill and e0s0 Firefly (I'll get her extra stuff like e1 on her rerun, hopefully), but I love Rappa's looks and gameplay style. It isn't always about meta and who is "strongest", I want to play who I enjoy. Hence why I maxed Boothill but not Firefly lol. I am not a huge Firefly fan, I only got her cause she's kinda useful, but I don't truly love and enjoy playing her. I think I'd like Rappa's play better than Firefly's.

[@usmansubhani7482]

I’m waiting for a Physical Lingsha type break sustain so my future Boothill team has some erudition elements. I hope that Archer will fulfil that role … fingers crossed.

[@deviant315l6]

Imaginary has the biggest delay so if she breaks with that much BE the enemy won’t move hence extending super break. It’s like a sustain which makes her more comfortable than FF especially since she’s not consuming skill points. These are very important. The main thing FF has is her element matching with the break big hitters right now because super break doesn’t care about element.

[@wikidpsycokilla]

Rappa's damage is heavily exaggerated by the current MOC buff, she will definitely drop off without it until we get an exo-toughness unit. We shouldnt expect too many more characters with implant as they make different elements unneeded and new units harder to sell. Overall having a varied roster with different elemental coverages is the standard, with only 3 out of 56 units able to implant and the more that get added the less special those three become. Ignoring weakness with only part of the kit will most likely be the norm, allowing sub-par brute forcing off element or requiring teammates to do the breaking just like we have with standard crit dps and dot. As far as erudition units go, its beyond me why people think PF is immune to powercreep. Herta/Himeko probably wont cut it forever, and if you already have two teams that can clear MOC its probably a good idea to start preparing for when PF isnt so easy anymore.

[@exu7325]

Meta powercreep seems to happen on main story patches (1.2, Penacony patches). DPS that gets released just before them is in a weird spot. PF isn't immune to powercreep, but they will 100% sell the solution when they finally ramp up the difficulty. I think it's a bad idea to try to deal with powercreep preemptively.

[@wikidpsycokilla]

If they continue to only release two eruditions per version (Jing Yuan + Argenti in 1.x, Jade + Rappa in 2.x) Argenti will probably be replaced pretty quickly, but Jade and Rappa, who can both function in a dual dps setup and have excellent synergies, wont have their spots threatened until 4.0 at the earliest. While its yet to be seen how far superbreak will go, Topaz has already proven that a good follow-up sub dps is a sound investment.

[@peterbabicki8252]

I'm picking her up. I have no issues only using her in Imaginary weak content. It's more or less what I've been doing with all my other characters this entire time anyway. I usually match weaknesses. That said, in PF it doesn't look to be an issue anyway. Guoba did a run through both sides of PF with her, even though one of those sides had no Imaginary weak enemies, and managed 40,000, so that's enough for me.

[@deftabyss280]

Rappa isnt really bad, she is actually pretty strong being a break unit, the issue is her banner placement and niche. She is unfortunately placed with good reruns in the second phase and the next patch is literally some of the most anticipated units to ever release in HSR. Next is her niche an AoE break unit, while she can domimate this version of MoC with the exo break, maybe the next cycle she probably wont do as well. Pure fiction is where she'll probably be used the most tbh, then AS will depend on the lineup. So is she bad? Definitely not, but if you already have Firefly or Boothill you probably dont need her and everyone is saving for Fugue and Sunday so its just bad timing for Rappa

[@Gration_]

She'll do fine in next cycle of MoC considering it's literally her MoC, but without Exo or an MoC that is literally 5 units sharing health (Which is what the next one is), she definitely won't be as good.

[@doriansz3130]

She is isn't bad against Imaganiry weakness enemies, but outside of that she is bad ,especialy compared to Firefly and Boothill who can inflickt their elemental weakness and this utility is the best thing about them you can use them in every scenario ,while Rappa would need more time to break enemies if they are not weak to imaginary. Thats also the reson why people skip her

[@danalynch118]

Honestly tho idc if she’s bad she seems fun. But the difficulty is Sundays kit bc Argenti

[@NeoDeity]

I have the optimal E2 acheron team, the optimal dot team, the optimal fua team, and just pulled lingsha. I dont have ff or boot, so im gonna pull ff when she reruns and maybe fugue, too. Depends. Once my break team's done, maybe I'll build a meme summon team😂.

[@paologonzaloparragagamarra8671]

I hate firefly, that's my only reason to pull for rappa

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

Let me guess, it’s because you play in EN dub and she screeches like an idiot whenever she attack? Thankfully I play in the superior JP dub.

[@AIA222-yu5ml]

@@mediumsurmoon6283 true. Her jp voice sounds calm yet determined. If I played in jp during the story quest or even her banner, I would've surely gotten her 😩

[@thatalbeeguy]

@@mediumsurmoon6283 EN is CLEARLY superior since I understand what they say.

[@Sang_Akrobatis]

I hate how heavily supported she is compared to other Break DPS (not that my team needs same treatment) and her mains have brainrot thinking about mono-element then yap at Rappa mains because Rappa doesn't have implant weakness. At least, Boothill's physical weakness implant is useless for Boothill's BiS teammates so Boothill mains don't yap about mono-element like Firefly mains. Yep, gotta get Rappa then.

[@alonelycacti]

​​​​​​​@@mediumsurmoon6283i tbh just find superbreak boring in general and would much rather get boothill on his rerun, that's just me tho. Plus as the above commenter said, I hate how much they are trying to force her down our throats by only providing relics, planar, teammates for her and completely neglecting boothill and other comps(except fua).

[@mistlegion1182]

break team going to get powercrept in endgame content because enemies are just recovering shields really fast

[@DizzyQuanto]

The only thing I get from this video is “she isn’t meta” Saying that’s she’s top 5, but not top 3 so don’t pull her is basically just a meta mentality. The whole point of meta is categorizing the characters that make the “best teams” If it was simply because “we’ve got Sunday and Fugue around the corner.” Or “She is a terrible break character and here is why.” I could respect the position even though I feel like it’s wrong lol. I’ve seen plenty of people show that she’s not a bad character. Also I think the point made at 3:35 could have been positioned a little better. The issue I’m finding with this position is that the numbers aren’t terrible, just not as high as firefly every time. I think the illusion of paper is keeping the real theory crafting from being properly delivered here. Having the lowest break multiplier for initial break doesn’t matter when it comes to super break since the formula is different.

[@briann52223]

And the fact that people had the balls to say, " firefly is getting power crept already " and now they are SHITTING On Rappa 😂😂😂 and the only people that are pulling for her either just likes her design or hates firefly

[@Aventurine4lyfe]

Or doesn't have firefly

[@kokoro212]

My brain been trying to figure out how to enable her on off weakness enemies because her design is so cool. Seems like I have to stick to Firefly.

[@kitsuchii6809]

She still works fine just takes abit more to breake them and deals abit less but she still menace in pf or aoe bosses in apoc

[@usmansubhani7482]

Endgame break teams = 1. Erudition Break with Firefly/Himeko/Fugue/Gallagher 2. Single Target Break with Boothill/Ruan Mei/HarmMC/Break Sustain That’s my plan and I don’t need anyone else. Maybe you can use Silverwolf but if you have Trailblazer and Ruan Mei… then you are coping. Making a third team for break is also not necessary when you have other categories to build like follow-up teams.

[@MACA_Zeon]

I'm skipping her not because she's weak and can't compete but because to much juice coming. 2.6 reruns might go for acorn other than that waiting for 2.7 and 3.0.

[@plang-plang5035]

Judging from leaks, if you want Rappa. I suggest you save up for Fugue. Bcs she will be like a 1 packagae of RM & HMC for Rappa

[@k-BlazeWuthringwaves30]

Rappa is a bait banner there is More OP character coming like sunday

[@exziodeluz2784]

I don't think it's just rappa but Erudition path as a whole....thing is they are too niche..if there were more end game modes like pure fiction, then pulling these characters might have more value. It's better to pull for character that are good in all 3 endgame modes as opposed to one game mode.

[@verse2702]

Every limited erudition released has only been serviceable in PF (besides Jing Yuan but tbh he’s just bad) Meanwhile we got Hunt characters getting 40k on PF these days

[@Darkclowd]

​@@verse2702 yeah the issue isn't erudition being bad in it's area (which we basically all thought was PF), it's Feixiao absolutely outclassing every erudition character in their own niche.

[@exu7325]

@@verse2702 That's only because they're pushing FuA in PF. You can check it, there's not a single PF without FuA buff except the early ones.

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

If you give a Look. 2.5 AS have AoE Scenario. 2.5 MoC have AoE scenario. 2.6 will also have a complete benefitial Erudition Boss in MoC and AS. 2.7 the new PF will make Erudition and Destruction and Acheron more valuable units. The content is becoming ST and AoE at the same time. Comparing to back in the days that Destruction was good and the only good path. Ohh sh*t they're gonna put the goddamn Monkeys in AS in 2.7 😅. Lingsha and Rappa will be god tier at least 2.7 looks like. Rappa will be good in 2.7 MoC too looks like.

[@ibrahim5463]

I have been thinking about, and i descided to just fuck it, was skipping for aventurine but i am going all out now and getting both

[@blazikenfury8852]

The short answer, she isn't good/optimal for anything and at the same time feels actively bad to use when she is outside of scenarios that favor her. Long answer- She is Erudition, but if enemies in PF aren't imaginary weak, she doesn't do well. She can't brute force it like Jade or Herta can. While at the same time her dmg in lesser enemy scenarios isn't anything good because she still has dmg dropoff being erudition. And in Apocalyptic shadow, MOC heck even overworld, Stagnant shadow and calyxs, if there are enemies which aren't imaginary weak or are less than 4, she feels bad to use. She would still be at least a PF destroyer if it was still like the earlier days when elites basically didn't exist in that mode but nowadays one side is filled with Elites, which if they aren't Imaginary weak, screws her over extremely hard.

[@RerunBladeIPayForE6S5]

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[@NoahSteel-wx8ry]

How do you get the pig to run next to you?

[@Igraphi7335]

At least there are good relics.

[@vfdioxy4257]

5:25 The elemental break multiplier only affects break damage not superbreak damage, so it's not that important in super break team ( especially when considering that they gave her huge multiplier to balance it out ).

[@theoDSP]

Rappa=Skippa

[@abc-fq6yh]

floppa, midpa, skippa =))

[@scopeyui240]

she is strong but too niche

[@MadameSue]

Having a weakness implant + wide spread hit makes Firefly more viable compared to her. my personal take: I don't vibe with her design costume and story is so boring - this might be a quest I'm willing to not do at all.

[@Sirnaghost]

Looks like i am the only one who pulled her as f2p .😢

[@AevyCh]

Rappa is simply waiting for someone to enable Exo-Toughness. She gets too much value out of it, to a point where you could even get a 1 turn Ult (Firefly needs 2 turns). Also she has too much QoL baked into her kit at the cost of Weakness Implant. - Regarding Imaginary Break: It does have the worst damage, but Rappa's Talent is there to make it as strong as Physical & Fire. Actually, you don't even want to Break with Rappa. Breaking with someone else means you'll get the best of both worlds (Fire Break + Rappa's Talent). You don't Break with Rappa, you let someone else do the work for you. It's not as straightforward as Boothill & Firefly. - Why are most Break supports Fire element? This is because outside of the Initial Break, Fire has nothing noteworthy at all. Heck, Physical has the same Initial Break as well, but has even more powerful DoT unlike Fire (even Imaginary has Action Delay). This is why they left Boothill alone & buffs Firefly instead. They need to compensate its weak DoT by releasing characters that synergize well together.

[@Gration_]

Literally all break characters get ridiculous value out of Exo toughness, even weak attacks take the whole bar, but Rappa specifically would still have a problem chewing through regular toughness bars without matching element and depending on potentially just 1 other person of a different element to do it. Galla, Rappa, HMC and RM take a whole cycle just to do that to Hoolay for example. She has her own boss and the eternal show, and that's about it. Most other bosses are solo and/or just don't have her weakness, meaning FF and BH would do better. Also, Fire DoT isn't exactly weak, it's literally the strongest DoT under Bleed. Saying Rappa doesn't want to break people kinda incentivizes you to pull someone like Lingsha who'll actually break the field for her considering she attacks so often, but also makes her even more redundant cause that's your AoE breaker right there, not to mention you'd skip Lingsha for Rappa in the first place. She's a walking paradox.

[@AevyCh]

​@@Gration_ That's just how Rappa is meant to be played. She's supposed to be paired with another Breaker. Her A6 is a teamwide Vulnerability for a reason, unlike Boothill & FF. It's not as straightforward as the other two. Just look at V3 Rappa gameplay if you don't believe me. If you still insist on using Rappa as Main DPS, then don't complain about non-Imaginary weak enemies. Fire DoT IS the weakest DoT. What you're looking at is the Initial Break, not the DoT. These are the DoT/Debuff Multipliers: Fire (Burn) - 1x Ice (Feeze)- 1x Lightning (Shock) - 2x Wind (Wind Shear) - 3x (Elite) Quantum (Entanglement) - 0.6x -> 3.x Physical (Bleed) - 7% Max HP

[@AevyCh]

@@Gration_ Exo-Toughness has different value for each Break units: Firefly - Only damage Boothill - Faster Pocket Trickshots & damage Rappa - More energy & damage Xueyi - More stacks & damage They're not created equal at all.

[@Gration_]

@@AevyCh literally all of that translates to more damage, so it actually is the same value, other people just have additional bells and whistles before getting that extra damage. Also for E2 Ff it’s easier extra turns in case someone else breaks. Still translates into extra damage like everyone else, but at E0 and 160 speed she already gets 4 turns without action advances

[@AevyCh]

@@Gration_ You're just contradicting yourself... "it actually is the same value" "other people just have additional bells and whistles before getting that extra damage." Brother that's literally what inequality mean... You've also just proved myself that Firefly gets nothing special out of Exo-Toughness at E0. Regarding Speed: - Firefly has 210 SPD in Ult state - Boothill + Bronya has 266 Effective SPD - Rappa has 200 Effective SPD while being SP efficient (266 Effective SPD with Exo Toughness) Everything is more damage at the end of the day. Even your healers healing you will translate to more damage since you're not dead.... 💀

[@crowing3886]

Even linsha is a better rappa than rappa lol. And she's abundance!

[@jamesdavid2893]

Rappa has self advance forward, erudition is designed for a field of targets, imaginary appears all the time, can ignore weakness type, money is great you can get all characters and their lc and life is good, really good.

[@deviant315l6]

She has the biggest delay so she doesn’t really need speed especially since she has energy charging mechanics

[@legendaryhumper]

No but people got better units.

[@kitsuchii6809]

You are bias like any bh main 😂

[@kitsuchii6809]

Just like i am to ff 😅

[@Slackerhun]

The only reason I'm not pulling her is that I have E2 Firefly. So she'd be a downgrade in almost any scenario.

[@kurobot100]

Skippa

[@ppolo12]

Erudition is just a bad path

[@bloonbrawler9872]

It's uncommon for an average fight to have 4 or more enemies on the field, so they can't take advantage of their aoe attacks

[@floghon5984]

Boothill can also ignore weakness in skill

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Only at first cast coz of Technique

[@derago-dev]

Okay, at first, i thought "Who the fuck is saying Rappa is bad?", but after hearing the entire argument, here's a few issues with it: 1- Rappa doesn't have weakness implant, but she ignores weakness on her ult, which you'll be trying to spam as much as possible anyway 2- Lingsha being fire is not an issue specificly because of Fugue, she adds omni-break weakness bars, which with Lingsha there, they both can break any kind of Enemy to then apply that omni-weakness bar to let Rappa do her break. Even if that was a issue in some cases, you can just use Rappa's ultimate to activate the break instead of leave it on random, if that's such a let down for anyone... 3- If you care about Rappa not being "The Best Break DPS", then why would you even care about Boothill? Firefly is much better right?... If you like Rappa, that's not a problem, with investment she's even better than firefly in many cases, you don't have to focus on "Oh but she does .09 less damage than firefly boo hoo..." 4- While Imaginary is one of the weakest break effects, it's also the one that makes enemies take the longest to act again. That's why her damage is so cranked up, so it makes up for the multiplier. Also, anyone remembers the Ruan Mei/Welt Sustain teams? Well, with Rappa you don't need welt at all. 5- Just partially disagree tbh. While Rappa doesn't have Speed Up´s on her kit, she basicly doesn't really care about it that much. She's basicly an Imaginary Super Break Acheron, you only care about her ultimate. That's why her Tallent gives her Energy on any breaks (Which if the leaks are true, Fugue can break 2 times, which scales Rappa even more). The only thing i agree with is the fact that Firefly is coming back, if you have Lingsha AND gonna pull for Fugue, and care about that meta shit, much better to just wait for Firefly instead, but i don't think it's that huge of an issue to just get Rappa if you want it. If anyone likes Rappa, just pull for her instead of caring about those "meta things", try to have some fun instead of making the game a "job to do"