There Will Never Be Another Character Like Firefly (Honkai: Star Rail)

[@nuoca]

her gameplay is litteraly just skill into ult into skill into skill into skill into skill into skill into skill

[@DeificNines]

Yeah! She plays like she's some kind of relentless mech super soldier. ---WAIT A SECOND

[@bloonbrawler9872]

​@@DeificNines Lore Accurate gameplay 💀

[@AhaxD-r7g]

uhm so like, any other characers?

[@nuoca]

@@AhaxD-r7g not seele 🗣🗣🗣

[@gojosatoru1002]

Skill>skill>ult>skill>skill>ult>>> 🫢, so different much wow

[@x_angelkawa1i_x]

the kitchen was burnt down but the cake was perfect

[@Hanana-h5c]

This is the best analogy ever

[@danelmore6553]

It is true, your analogy-game is on point.

[@2s4t]

it was like fireflies to a flame.

[@startea0412]

​@@2s4t"I present cake"

[@NecronHandlee]

​@@2s4tkitchen begets destruction

[@brightlight8852]

What really makes Firefly so overturned I think is that she's both incredibly new player friendly and free to play friendly character and is really easy to build.

[@gel50n]

New player friendly? Yes. F2P? Not rly. I will go broke trying to get her E2 on her rerun Edit: I'm back five hours later to say I've been thoroughly informed about my misconceptions of Firefly by everyone in the replies, and never before have I been more relieved to be proven wrong on a KZbin video comment thread

[@brightlight8852]

@gel50n two of her best team mates are free to play chatacters that are generally good characters on their own. Ruan Mei is a great generalist support that you should roll for. FF doesn't really need E2 to function.

[@dukebasti]

As a f2p player, she covers my other team phenomenally.

[@anurmi5717]

@@gel50n You do not need E2 it is only comfort and is completely your own choice. The only premium you need is Ruan Mei and that still is very F2P friendly. You want a Ruan Mei on your account anyway and HMC and Gallagher is free.

[@JosepiThe13th]

​@gel50n She is insanely F2P friendly. She can 0-2 cycle every MoC chamber with E0 and Fall of an Aeon, and I have been doing so consistently since her release.

[@potazycia8979]

Decreasing and increasing the Firefly's health is useful in the simulated universe.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

straight up broken

[@PureLunari]

Just in newer iterations. I've tried her in SD and GnG, it's a nightmare. She barely does any damage because there's just no blessings there that directly increase Break damage.

[@loos123]

@@PureLunari can confirm, i love her with all my heart but using her in SD and GnG is setting yourself up for getting cooked most of the time (sure you can win but you'll struggle a lot)

[@JustOnlyHallow]

you can use the blessing "All in abundance mind" that shares healing for the entire team and have a FF support

[@zhoxnq6776]

and for lingsha too

[@JunkoEnoshima.]

There will also be no character like Firefly in the sense that the SAM identity twist got leaked literally HALF a year ago before it got revealed in game. When that spoiler hit the people who do not look at leaks did not even know a character named Firefly exists. We literally learned who she is before we set foot on Penacony and the people who knew made no effort to hide it and spoiled a lot of people so it basically became a worst kept secret

[@RSatoshi]

That's is why I hate leakers, in general sense. I'm fine if it leakers who showcase animation and kits for characters not spoilers.

[@Castro_GreedCasta22]

Till Fate characters exist in this game, Firefly has her throne

[@promc2890]

David Jiang is a massive Archer fan, he is going to be extremly overturned 100%

[@sakurikunikai7564]

or till they remove weaknesses from enemies

[@JosepiThe13th]

​@@sakurikunikai7564 She'll just add Fire weakness to them anyway. 😏

[@AhaxD-r7g]

@@sakurikunikai7564 i mean they did remove the boss weakness in AS, but if you attack em with Firefly EBS she ll still implant Fire weakness anyway. I didnt play FGO (last time i played there is no EN version), but the way FF fire implant reminds me of First Hassan implant Death concept on Tiamat. That Tiamat fighting scene hooked me to instal FGO only to uninstalled it right after i cursed their confusing UI.

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

​​@@sakurikunikai7564or just some fully Ruan Mei counter, similar to Hoolay but has a recovery after 4 turns of your team.

[@Boricosa]

Meanwhile, we have Gepard with... a shield being the only thing he consistently uses

[@_Couldnt-Care-Less]

his shield is consistent?

[@bobkys7916]

​@@_Couldnt-Care-Less like 80 percent

[@jorgefernando5392]

Not even consistently sometimes

[@deafwatch7334]

@@_Couldnt-Care-Less You can make it consistent if you build enouth speed and Energy Regen on him. Excluding his Shield being broken and some high frequence turn advancements (how it often happens should you decide to primarily use the Hunt Path in Simulated Universe), he will have a constant shield with decent stength on all Teammates. And you also shouldnt forget that he draws 50% of all attacks with his high Aggro. Tl:Dr: If build right, he is consistent. But building him right isn't trivial, so he is considered to be inconsistent.

[@Cravior]

Gepard has the highest preservation taunt value besides march 7th, who cannot shield her team. I use gepard on trend with acheron every single pure fiction and I have aventurine. He's just far superior at giving her stacks and his shield still never runs out.

[@ordoor]

Another important aspect is how a lot of the other break supports are also fire so they they can take advantage of of firefly's implant as well (gallagher, lingsha, even perhaps fugue), in addition to just how broken firefly's technique is. It is actually insane like all enemy fire weakness implant + damage + weakness reduction every wave!!!

[@CHLOE-s9m4y]

Great video

[@bloonbrawler9872]

Why do I have the feeling that FF is kinda like Jingliu, massive self buffs with her BIS teammates already available. We saw how hard Jingliu fell, im curious to see what she will face

[@anurmi5717]

She has already been on the top for longer than Jingliu and do not see her falling down very soon.

[@Tonbizzle]

Like the vid said, the only things that would really work to bring down Firefly would hurt 'normal' characters alot more. I guess you could make enemies that can't be implanted with weaknesses, and then you're specifically shutting down Firefly Boothill and Silverwolf, so that's not a major loss, but are you going to do that to all enemies moving forward?

[@MrNoms-cn6px]

​@@anurmi5717 Nah they're Pretty similar when it comes to their time of terror. When patch 3.0 comes is when Firefly is going to probably have a little bit of trouble because of the meta shift from SUPA BREAK to summons. Thats just my theory though.

[@anurmi5717]

@@MrNoms-cn6px Jingliu came out 1.4 and was weak in 2.0 and irrelevant 2.1 when Acheron released (3-4 patches). Firefly came out 2.3 and earliest possible can be powercrept 3.0 (5 patches). Even if that is the case that the new characters are better I do not see superbreak be weak anytime soon.

[@Ben-v6z3s]

@@anurmi5717superbreak is just op, it will never be powrcrept

[@ponynator4718]

i cannot wait to finally get her, starting the game right after her banner ended was painful.

[@PuppyGamePlayzA]

I wouldn't recommend getting her. Mainly cuz ik she's gonna get powercrept in the future.

[@reyvaldosoetiman2389]

​@@PuppyGamePlayzAlet that person pull what he/she want Not everyone pulls for meta purpose

[@Fropy127]

​@@PuppyGamePlayzA That's the case for every DPS in Gacha games. No point in worrying about it.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@PuppyGamePlayzA 4 patches, never dropped a tier and will always be on 0 get real

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

​@@PuppyGamePlayzA lol are you new to gacha games? if thats your reason then dont pull any dps 😂

[@IshimurA99]

There's a pretty good chance that Firefly will be the only character in the game that's a "kamen rider" because every character in HSR has their own uniqueness But I still look forward to Hoyo continuing to create a sci-fi armor style character like this

[@Pneuhmonia]

Aren't there still 2 to 3 knights from the glamoth calvary that are alive?

[@AhaxD-r7g]

@@Pneuhmonia We don't know the numbers, Jade or was it Firefly herself, only said that there might still be another Iron Cavalry somewhere in the universe, wandering around like Firefly. But that could also mean that FF is the only survivor as well.

[@saif-gv6gl]

​@@AhaxD-r7gThe thing is that Firefly is canonically older than Nanook, so it's really hard to find another SAM unit in the wild. The only reason she survived this far is because of the weird ass powers she got during the animated video we saw (the suit actually scales with the user willpower, it's kinda like a power-up based on the user itself). Based on this info, another SAM unit should either have the same power up or got into some kind of stasis and woke up just recently.

[@sakuseihuoshen]

​@@saif-gv6gl If there ever is another SAM, I wish it was the tomboy in her Myriad Celestia

[@jacoblee4709]

3:09 I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is, Firefly can't use her Ult if she's CC'd after all. 4:09 Quid Pro Quo Gallagher babyyyy, also if you can rack up enough kills/hits in multi enemy game modes like Pure Fiction then 1T Ults are easy. 4:57 Apocalyptic Shadow also refreshes Ults on Break fairly often, the one time it didn't came with a 100% Action Forward which is essentially a 60% energy battery for her. I feel like Firefly was made to be Hoyo's comfiest character, considering how tanky she and her teammates can be (HMC and Ruan Mei are free to run HP/Def% mainstats). And well, they succeeded. The only reason she appreciates sustains like Gallagher and Lingsha is because of their high Toughness and Break damage amp, she can run sustainless just fine.

[@Tonbizzle]

I wanted SAM cause he was a crazy Kamen Rider/Guyver looking killing machine, instead they gave me a murder-waifu that lived up to the planet cracking hype. Not complaining, it's just nice when you find a free apple pie in your order.

[@maninanikittycat4238]

I'm on the opposite when it was revealed that SAM and Firefly are the same. I thought SAM was gonna be a badass robot not some bland waifu trying to rizz up Trailblazer!

[@deafwatch7334]

When I first heard the introduction to the topic of the video, I thought "Ugh, not another Video about how character X is bad, becuase it is destroying the game. Something, something Powercreep" But Im plesantly surprise how enjoyable this video was. It was an informative analysis about Firefly Design with a lot of thought given to how this design was created and what it can say about the developers future aproach to designing characters. I even learned something new! I didn't knew before that Firefly's ult despells all debuffs. Was a nice video to start the day with. And I wish you all the same!

[@OverDriver05]

Bro, got her when her banner dropped, and being with her since day one! Definitely worth it!

[@Abhinavghosh4]

Fr I started playing hsr when firefly came out and when i got her she was the only character that helped me so much in SU and her story and Character design also really good. I am glad I got her !

[@Osprey1994]

Saying this right before remembrance characters start dropping is wild. FF isn't even the most disgusting character we have in terms of damage output. She's just the most straightforward, and her cleave is nice. They ideally should not release more characters like Boothill, FF, Feixiao, and Rappa (yes Rappa is still quite strong) but they will.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

remembrance is a new typing, even so, if a sb unit releases with it, ff is the best choice for a support/enabler utility unit as a sub/pure dps ff is the only unit who can harmonize other break dps units in a single roster

[@Braces.157]

fact

[@firte3899]

Robin is more busted tbh

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@firte3899 break comps not crit

[@JosepiThe13th]

​@@zxcentsensei.sunder This is assuming that newer Break DPSs are all Fire and don't have their own weakness implant.

[@whiteangel1138]

Why do people think FF is the one with overloaded kit and not HMC? We're forgetting FF loses a huge amount of her damage without HMC? The worst part is that now RMC is announced and will drop in 3.0, FF owners HAVE to pull Fugue otherwise she drops from T0 to T2 as a character.

[@jacqueslin8178]

Honestly, the only way Firefly (and every break character) can fall of is if the devs decide to introduce more locked toughness bars on enemies effectively crippling the entire game mechanic. I don't see it happening immeditately. But I will say that there is a chance it only will be a once in a blue moon scenario kinda like how DoT is currently being treated. Break will continue to have a lot of favorable endgame content. But there will be one patch a year where they'll be completely useless due to a boss/enemies with built in toughness resistance/locked bars. But on the following patch, they're back to being strong again. As for the possibility of a character like Firefly occuring, it's not impossible. If a new character in future version ends up being incredibly loved by the fandom, then there is a strong chance the devs will sell the character with the best abilities (and give them characters/weakness type specifically built around them) Also for certain character expies in HSR, there is a very high chance the devs will sell specific characters because they're already loved by fans from HI3. The best example is Acheron, a Raiden Mei expy. If she was given so much easter egg lore and amazing gameplay, I'm curious how Hoyo will handle the introduction of a Kiana expy (or even the character herself since they share the same universe). She is Hoyo's favorite child after all and is highly likely going to recieve bias treatment from Hoyo (powercreeps all DPSes, amazing kit like Firefly, characters built for her, etc.)

[@AhaxD-r7g]

When they keep releaseing Toughness lock, I would riot so they also introduce -CRT Rate debuff, and re buff enemies Status Resistance(which they nerf at 1.1 to sell DoT). Break unit already have to spent few of their turns to finally dealing dmg. which make their small dmg windows becomes smaller.

[@CrunchMunchzx]

I’m not a fan of Firefly’s Kit myself Maybe it’s just I don’t care for overly broken dps unless they’re like my favorite character in the whole game 😭🤚 Also because Firefly mains are…really annoying😭 I’d rather just gravitate to characters like Rappa, Xueyi, or Boothill or even Himeko instead I love Firefly, but I’ll probably never pull her.

[@lucadivine3862]

Very happy with my E2 Firefly that I've been running since day 1 casually doing a million damage to anything without that silly little white bar.

[@lucasayabe]

yeah since E2 FF i never suffered again on endgame content even PF can be cleared easely

[@omarcano6195]

You think I should pull for fugue or go for e2 ff?

[@omarcano6195]

I also plan to pull for Sunday

[@lucasayabe]

@@omarcano6195 Fugue is more like a Rappa buff than a FF, she's pretty equal to HMC to her, but its better to wait she actually launch, because she could be like Lingsha, and look like the same as the older unit, but with right skill be largely superior.

[@omarcano6195]

@@lucasayabe alright thanks for the info

[@mharris1055]

Firefly is what every elementary schoolers gives their imaginary heroes/villains

[@tigransargsyan3398]

Firefly is really strong right now, and she felt broken when she released(i got a 0 cycle with her without any eidolons or limited lightcones), but after playing and trying to 0 cycle moc for a few versions, shes not that crazy. Her skill point issues are real, if it wasnt for gallagher, she would feel much worse to play (im not sure about lingsha teams), and other break dps dont have that issue. And there are issues in her energy generation as well. Because she only gains energy from killing enemies and getting hit, she'll need 2 skills to get her ult back, which takes a lot of AV(around as much as her enhanced state lasts). The fact that Firefly is really easy to build is a strength, but also a weekness. She already cant clear 2nd wave before her enhanced state ends at e0s0, that increases clear speed by 1-2 cycles. If hoyo increases enemy hp more, so she cant kill first wave either, her clear speed will increase by another 2 cycles, and shell struggle a lot, while a new dps with higher damage will get low cycle clears.

[@Grayewicked]

"She already cant clear 2nd wave before her enhanced state ends at e0s0, that increases clear speed by 1-2 cycles." ...that's why you need to build her fast, so you can end fights fast. Am I crazy? 😅 I don't know what boss you're referring to but if it's Hoolay, I don't understand what's the issue. If you have a Firefly with decent SPD, it wouldn't be much of an issue to get two Es in and have your Ult up once again in once cycle.

[@ibrahim5463]

are you sure? she can still have a follow up attack, a debuff on E or AA and a summon that also heal

[@lordradiance2530]

Theres been this really weird trend recently where people INSIST fireflies kit is really mid. Im convinced these people havent read it, i dont think we will ever get another break dps with a combination of giving themself high speed, omni toughness breaking, weakness implant, randomly very durable and hard to cc, has own superbreak, and gives increase break damage.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

they know, it's just that they're salty as to why ff being an absurd unit compared to their dps who constantly drops down a tier every 2 patches lol

[@handleloverkira]

Ever heard of powercreep yeah just give it 6 months max

[@daijoubun6648]

A lot of it is just cope, and I'm saying that as someone who doesn't really like FF. It's also because FF fans are like, really obnoxious about her being the biggest and baddest DPS on the block, saying "just pull firefly bro" or "imagine pulling for acheron in 2.6 when you could've just got firefly", completely unable to understand that some people just don't care for their favorite. Which is not hate, love FF all you want, but I just don't wanna.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@daijoubun6648word for word

[@redsky397]

I use her a lot ( still hate the character though). Shes good but i feel like she is t as strong as she used to seem anymore. She has a good kit thats for sure. But when she was released she was by far the best alongside with acheron. Now she is a good unit but not the best anymore. Feel like she will further fall of with the next meta coming up in 3.0

[@Rainbowsaur]

Dude really made a video about Fireflop

[@ladyhdwastaken]

As far as her damage goes, we have much better options (her floor is low but so is her ceiling. We are at her ceiling now) But as far as everything else goes, she is super comfy. i will be using New MC path because I’m a stelle and March fan girl and I love our starter pokemon 😂 but my e2 firefly can hang out with himeko in pure fiction if I ever need additional fire break. She is pretty flexible if you don’t want to run her as superbreak just don’t expect much damage out of her, just utility… and honestly she’s quite tanky like how does she have more base def than aventurine hahah

[@brycecai4700]

Basically she plays like jingliu, 2 skills to enter her enhanced state, then use her enhanced skill to deal damage My problem with her is that there is no damage in her kit, 50% super break is literally nothing, she is more of a damage enabler for HMC rather than a main dps

[@eherden2169]

I did pull for her and like the character but I would have preferred if SAM was actually a straight up mech. She can feel boring due to not having much flexibility in her teams and she being so strong that one barely have to consider any change in strategy.

[@mismismism]

I really don't like her, I'll be honest. They made her so busted that everything warped around her. They increased the difficulty to meet her so now there are basically just super break and FUA with Acheron barely hanging on while every other team got screwed over. Even other break units. I don't understand what possessed them to then give her a dedicated relic set, but between all that and how long the game has only focused on break and FUA, it's so stale to me. I'm tired of her, I'm tired of that archetype. The game should not invest so much into a single archetype, let alone a single character IMO.

[@fabian.874]

Thanks for this great introduction to Firefly. As a rather new player, I hope she will have a rerun soon. I look forward playing with her. Already have Lingsha and will get Fugue for her as well.

[@Hanana-h5c]

I believe there were leaks about Firefly getting her rerun in the next patch or patch 2.8, so she'll likely be here again very soon

[@otashu9176]

2nd part of the next patch

[@Goblinhandler]

@@Hanana-h5cthere is no patch 2.8

[@Hanana-h5c]

How can you be sure of that?​@@Goblinhandler

[@fabian.874]

@@Hanana-h5c They drip marketed Aglaea, who will follow the new path Remembrance. And I doubt they will introduce a new path with a minor version update. So after Fugue and Sunday, we will get Aglaea and The Herta in 3.0.

[@RetroGhost16]

1:15 Strongest Most synergistic kit? Firefly being a break dps who only works with a very limited set of characters and needs a support with one specific buff in order to do well. Firefly falls flat immediately without a super break support. The only reason she has her own super break at all was so that she doesn't looks absolutely worthless without a super break support. Even then we're getting Fugue but people have already pointed out that she doesn't even entirely power creep HMC as a limited 5 star character.

[@NguyenhungCuong-km3un]

Facts lmfao. There are even situations where a Luka+ Fugue absolutely destroy FF

[@in_irfan6795]

I truthfully see your videos very interesting, even due to the lack of uploade may be, I still watch your previous video since its unique and have much more entertaining to watch.

[@jcr_spartan4214]

Great video, keep it up, earned my sub 👍🏽

[@vengeflyking2722]

I find it bizarre that she's so overly tanky, despite already making use of super break and Harmony MC which stop enemies from doing anything anyways. I mean ok she's worse at that than Boothill because of his ult or Rappa because she's imaginary. But still, it's completely unnecessary. She's more defensive than Yunli, the premium counter character!

[@ladyhdwastaken]

She has a higher base DEF than Aventurine The more you know 😆

[@JosepiThe13th]

I find it hilarious how both HMC and Firefly have higher base Def than Aven and Gepard 😂😢

[@Dado_nastro]

Well, I'd assume an armor made of steel would be pretty tanky.

[@onryu]

I love Firefly, great kit, and the references in her character & attack names

[@lucasayabe]

Since super break is a separated multiplier in the formula (this was what i understood when seeing her sinergy with HMC on her release but i can be wrong) they can just make more condensed supports, like Ruan Mei but with super break to change the HMC slot to make she keep up with the meta. Fugue has the EX toughness bar thing that don't sinergizes that well, so she's pretty much equal to HMC for what i've been hearing. They can explore giving toughness bar efficiency to upgrade her damage, or make a crit support for super break, to benefit her and Bothil at the same time, this way they can make up for her unique weakness that is not doing damage against enemies that aren't broken. Other way is a support that enables super break without being break, like some effects of the new Herta SU. So besides her being more complete now, i thing if they need to bring her back to the meta, they still can, like they trying to revive King Yuan delivering the monthly Jing Yuan buff next patch with Sunday.

[@JDN910]

Fireflies e1 is so crazy good, i got it f2p and my god it makes firefly so insane

[@danksouls6128]

same

[@DarkFenix2k5]

Yup, makes her almost completely SP-neutral (to the point where I'd forgotten her enhanced basic attack even existed), and gives her defence bypass on top of that, because apparently not consuming skill points wasn't enough already. Her e2 is just as bonkers, she basically gets Seele's gimmick, free bonus turn whenever she kills or breaks any target, once per turn. I'll admit it, I swiped to make damn sure I got her e2, haven't regretted it for a second, she chews through any content I throw her at. Hell, her e2 even makes her quite useful in PF.

[@kyrogamingvt9716]

Same, easily one of the best e1s in the game. It makes her so comfy to play

[@JMike-bq6rl]

E2 Firefly or E0 Lingsha for Firefly team?

[@dracoviod]

​@@JMike-bq6rle2 ff

[@Mana-ou7zs]

I like playing Firefly/SAM, the kit is well built although restricted to certain teams to maximize its damage. The character animations are magnificent even if I have a preference for untransformed SAM who made a big impression on me. And also in a future patch will other Mecha SAM be released ?

[@Ironsuaba]

I have been pretty consistently using Quid Pro Quo Gallagher with Firefly to get back into ult in 1 skill. That lc is very good if you can manipulate the other characters' energy to force the procs into Firefly and have the lv10 skill - you only need to get 96 energy then, which is surprisingly achievable

[@syn010110]

analyzing character design in gacha games is always a difficult thing to do because the developers are incentivized to do things that break game balance in favor of selling more pulls. making firefly as good as she is was just an extension of overtuning the archons in genshin. every rerun will sell incredibly well.

[@Nyx309]

This is why I don’t get the doomposters that say shit like (Firefly will be powercrept in 3.X 🤓🤓🤓) Like, the only content she will terrible on is a fucking boss that have their toughness closed for the entire fight, which is veeeeeeery unlikely to be implemented because that means (every single character will be useless) let’s be real, “some” bosses close their toughness for 1-2 turns like Bronya Gepard but that’s only a few bosses compared to hundreds of game mobs that lack toughness-closed mechanic

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

ILL GET YOU THE SPEAKER DW

[@RedCoreX725]

Tbh toughness locking isn't an issue for most characters. It is for break teams but other teams can brute force that feature just fine it'll just be annoying that's all. And they can't really nerf break teams since superbreak just doesn't have much weakness inherently. Adding more toughness bar would ironically buff the team since they have high toughness DMG anyway. And that means enemies would have a permanent 20% DMG reduction for non break teams. The only way to nerf break teams is if enemies can recover their toughness bar earlier but imaginary break units wouldn't suffer as much since they have ridiculous action delay anyway.

[@pally3370]

It’s not just bosses that lock weakness type. It’s any enemy that locks their weakness, or just general toughness bloat since fire break has no scaling based on toughness (like physical break does)

[@therealestsparkle]

Or Trotter Catch domain spam.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

To be frank: It's Hoyo. They can literally do whatever they want at any time. HP Inflation is just the most obvious mechanic. In Genshin, they nerfed Venti without nerfing him by taking the light enemies out of later abyss floors. They nerfed freeze by making literally nothing freeze. And Genshin is extremely tame when it comes to powercreep. They also could just make toughness bars BIGGER, thus harder to break. Look at Hoolay. 240 toughness is insane.

[@zegrathbloodshade5785]

The crumbs of her kit during the 1.x phase suggest that she is more of a Bruiser type of character (like Blade), but I guess they see Blade and decided to never do it again (and probably because having 2 characters with similar archetype being from the same faction doesn’t sound like a good idea)

[@caio7208]

Firefly Skill Reducing her HP server to trigger Lingsha's talent, Hoyo cant fool me

[@Goldity_124]

Firefly became my favorite character because of the penacony story so when i got her i was beyond surprised at how god damn strong she was, planning my e6s5 someday

[@Weebdotexe]

firefly having 0 turn downtime is possible due ro quid pro quo batterying her ult while she is in ult

[@EarlyMean2772]

Nepotismfly fr

[@purplespirit1781]

She is the reason why I downloaded this game 😊

[@dislocante]

hoyoverse starving cause imagine making a fire character that implants fire weakness and make a healer and a 5 star version of hmc also fire is ridiculous, not to mention her relics literally made exclusively for her

[@AuthorTheIdiot]

Can't wait Phainon to come out and people say "There Will Never Be Another Character Like Phainon", then repeat for the 4.X and so on.

[@yamechitiyo8410]

That’s what people said about Acheron….

[@JustOnlyHallow]

I mean, she needed to, the hype behind her was REALLY big

[@ChunkyTheClown]

I will point out that, while Firefly's kit is designed to be very complex, it's not actually all THAT strong. She's absolutely a top tier unit for now, standing at the top of the totem pole alongside Feixaio and Acheron, but she is far from infallible. At the end of the day, most of the words that make up her kit are dedicated to enabling her to do damage consistently. Her actual damage, which comes from skilling her ult state, is pretty easy to see getting power crept by the next Break unit Hoyo tries to sell. Remember, we already have one character that directly competes with her in the form of Boothill. While the general community consensus is that Firefly is superior to Boothill in most game modes, he represents the fact that her kit isn't the end all be all of the break concept, especially considering his BiS team is still using BRONYA, of all units. Give him an advance forward unit that does literally anything to assist the Break strategy and suddenly a unit that released before her is liable to overtake her.

[@kyrogamingvt9716]

I think the way this scales out of it may be super break supports helping her bridge the gap. While she may eventually be surpassed by other archetypes, I don't realistically ever see her becoming "bad" unless superbreak itself falls of HARD. She has the same benefit Feixao has where her whole team deals damage, and given how many superbreak supports are fire, I think its unlikely she will be easily powercrept unless hoyo directly designs a character to powercreep her. Which in that case could lead to unexpected consequences like Dual DPS Firefly, providing evtra fire implants

[@sorakitr9595]

Most players are casual and when it comes to ease of use firefly just way better When it comes to damage ceiling, I definitely think boothill is definitely better but that requires you to play pretty perfect

[@lurkera7351]

If they release a break advancer then that unit can also be used with ff + ff team is still using sustain while most of the bh faster clears involves using sustainless on his team so this is not a problem at all

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@kyrogamingvt9716word for word

[@watchwood]

She's countered hard by anything that can lock it's toughness bar.

[@Y_-xs9ue]

I think FF's success can also be found in newer teammates and annoyingly catered enemies. The triple Penacony boss is so insanely catered to her, it feels unfair. You're fighting a boss that rewards you for breaking all three of them. Boothill is a single target break dps so he has to break them one at a time while only two of them have physical weakness when fire is on all three. Rappa is erudition, need I say more? I'm at least glad to see that Fugue is more than likely to buff the other break dps more significantly in comparison to Firefly. Boothill with e1 Fugue can finally utilize superbreak without sacrificing break efficiency or turn advancement, Rappa can get her stacks much more easily, and Himeko can consistently trigger her FUA outside of PF. I really HOPE there won't be another character as overtuned as Firefly cause I just think that just leaves barely room for other characters within that archetype. Boothill and Rappa are only slightly better in specific scenarios in comparison to Firefly and Boothill was only released a version before while Rappa was released 3 versions after.

[@FeixiaoWaiter]

she would have been a perfect character if they at least gave her some more depth in the form of a Tony Stack / Steve Rogers hybrid traits. some girl in a suit of armor yet i didnt even ONCE get a glimpse of a veteran reaching out to other kindred souls and being an uplifting morally complex person with relatable outlook to life in general. all they did was turn her into somebody else’s *itch cause i guess milking lonely dumbasses has more incentive than a well written character. what a waste of potential.

[@maninanikittycat4238]

I would have liked her if she was a boy but then again I love husbandos

[@taikobo6943]

This won’t age well

[@lokrj]

We all know what wilp happen to a meta DPS when they rerun.

[@madrain9898]

xolze telos bout to have a field day with this one 😂

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

bro had diarrhea seeing this video

[@coldbacon4869]

Came looking for this comment lmfao

[@FeixiaoWaiter]

the mutualism of rent free lmao

[@loneboy.k]

Only abysmal amounts of ppl care about 0 cycle, this is why Feixiao patch revenue didn't sell as much even with brand new dedicated 4* and triple banner which include a must pull Robin lol

[@ohav3893]

Who cares about that loser

[@Cy-Fi]

9:25 Small correction, but JL herself does gain a lot from the HP Consumption, which is an additional 540% or so ATK (I don't remember the actual max)

[@Erlow]

In the first beta, her kit was actually quite different, instead of offering different powers of super break damage, the break effect thresholds would give her defense penetration on her enhanced attacks, which also had a much higher break effect scaling. In other words, she would've been a regular damage dealer but that benefits from break effect stats, and I'm no theorycrafter but I think it would've been more interesting, especially with her first few eidolons giving her unseen synergy with bronya

[@ameirgrant6116]

I’m a new player but honestly I don’t want to pull for her

[@HeyItsme-c8x]

Good choice tbh new type of gameplay coming soon

[@anwarshadaad1553]

Good. Rerun characters are not recommended for new players

[@ameirgrant6116]

@@anwarshadaad1553 it’s not really a meta thing tbh I just don’t enjoy her gameplay much. I used my guarantee on Aventurine and he was my first limited 5 star but I’ve wanted to pull for Acheron as well despite all the cons.

[@hupmir]

I am actually still surprised most people still haven't realized that she has a unique weakness break effect animation compared to every other character in the game.

[@koko-hh2bq]

Love it when she yells "SET THE SEAS ABLAZE" and actually sets the seas ablaze. No bullshit, no little minigame to minmax her potential, no missing crits because I couldn't get 100% crit rate. Just make sure HTB dances and Firefly nukes the field.

[@MandaiPL]

Getting very lucky and pulling her E2S1 on release I must say Firefly has taken my account hostage, she is almost always the best option for everything and anything

[@gktte2574]

One charcter came close to an overload kit is Ruan Mei, like girly doesnt need all of that buffs she can give lmaooo... straight up res-pen, dmg boost, break dmg boost, break efficiency boost, SPD boost. On top of her buff being team wide and in just a press of a button. Like she was released to prepare for the next archetype (superbreak) which is the same case with Sunday(a summon support) but it's obv theyve learned what they did from her, they did not make him as all rounder as Ruan Mei was. Sure Sunday has busted support capabilities with crit centric characters but it's not like Ruan Mei where she can be used by any dps and still perform well

[@newlife5168]

if you want an overloaded kit look at feixiao, basically every single break dps (boothill, ff, rappa) literally function the same but one's aoe one's blast and one's st

[@Creeperknight170]

For fixing the problem of not doing well against 5 enemies at once, I just run her with himeko and watch the break damage roll in

[@BailuGaming]

13:50 with all that said, she's dead after RMC release because you either pull fugue or you have a useless character.

[@bronben5479]

FF is just fucking weird as a unit. It’s not like she’s the best DPS in the game on the top end level (Fei Xiao and Acheron surpass her by miles), nor is she even the best break unit currently at the top (Boothill can equalize her/surpass her in 1-2 enemy content, and Rappa equalizes/beats her in 3-5), but her kit is so overly done its insane. Her niche is being easy to use and F2P friendly, but with that comes the most confusing kit I’ve ever seen in HSR. What is the purpose of her HP reduction/HP recovery? Not even Blade fluctuates his HP as much as her, and its highly doubtful that it will become relevant in any future HP drain meta as she’s solidly a Break DPS. Why does she have a 60% energy regen on her skill? Why not just make it so she has to use 2 skills as an alternative energy, similar to Fei or Acheron? It’s just a weird design choice imo. Why give her a damage vulnerability when in ult state? It’s seemingly rather random, and feels out of place. Why not just remove that part and increase her SB multiplier too equalize the damage? She’s given CC res and DMG reduction, the former to make her ult state more consistent, which I somewhat understand, but still have some gripes with. The latter on the other hand is clearly a byproduct of her HP reduction when skilling, which is again questioned as to why it’s even in her kit. They made one random drawback and made a solution to that drawback without the drawback ever needing to be there in the first place. There are just so many questions as to why this character is the way they are. It’s confusing to me on a lot of different levels. She genuinely feels like Dehya in the aspect of her kit being so all over the place and non-cohesive that it straight up shouldn’t work half the time (SPD, DMG vulnerability, DMG mitigation, HP reduction, HP restoration, Break Effect scaling multipliers, ATK multipliers, WBE, ATK conversion, SB, etc). Luckily, unlike Dehya she’s actually a usable character, but it still baffles me to this day the different design choices made on this one character.

[@Grayewicked]

HP reduction/recovery: This doesn't matter... in MoC/PF/AS. But in SU/DU, this allows you to trigger a lot of dumb blessing synergies, and there are more cases in which you will be thankful for her having them than not. Energy Regen: Your suggestion is much worse. This allows her to still be used with supports, relics, and LCs that care about Energy Regen like Huohuo, Tingyun, QPQ Gallagher, etc. "Damage Vulnerability": I don't know what you're talking about with this one. If you're referring to WEAKNESS IMPLANT, then I completely do not understand as to why this would be an issue, for a BREAK DPS, who specializes on BREAKING TOUGHNESS. It's either she's gonna have implant, or she's gonna colorless break (which Rappa doubled down on, understandably so), it just so happened that she has both, because of the latter point I'm gonna make. Honestly, the only problem I see about these arguments is you're asking about stuff that didn't really need to be questioned, which in turn let me ask you: Why not? At this point, everyone already knew that the Destruction path is for DPS units that are pretty much middle of the road, jack of all trades, so much so that it's been informally dubbed as the "Bruiser" path, so her having this weird combination of stuffs shoved in her kit is to be expected. If you play League, the comparison will make much more sense quickly.

[@bronben5479]

@@Grayewicked​​⁠​⁠​⁠I don’t like the idea of her HP manipulation just being exclusively designed for extra content like SU/DU, it’s still just a weird design choice, especially when Break is already such a good archetype there already even without randomly having the ability to trigger stuff like Grit. I don’t want her to be able to use energy like other characters do. It’s clear that with such a high energy cost, she was meant to have boundaries you were supposed to play around. It’s like if Fei Xiao or Acheron could respectively turn 10/20 energy into a stack for their ult charge, just because it makes them better doesn’t make it a good design choice. The damage vulnerability I’m talking about isn’t the weakness implant, so I’d appreciate it if you toned down the patronizing tone. Actually, the fact that you don’t know what I’m talking about is proof of how fucked her kit is. In her ult state, she gains a 20% break dmg vulnerability to her attacks. There’s no cohesiveness to her kit. Other destruction/break units don’t have this issue. Blade: HP scaling, manipulates HP. Jingliu, Saps team health for temporary powerful buffs. Boothill, glass cannon breaker who wants to be the breaker. Rappa, wants allies to break the enemy and wants lots of broken enemies. Firefly doesn’t have an identity like this. If you have to ask ‘why not’ then something has gone wrong. Why not is the question you ask when you go on a homebrew DND campaign and decide to add something fucked, why not is the question you ask when you decide to play overwatch classic and play with 6 Roadhogs on your team. It’s not the question you should be asking when you are designing the kit of a character that players will spend 10’s to 100’s of dollars on.

[@WestProZ17]

You sound clueless. Acheron is not better than her at E0 S0. Only Feixiao is.

[@bronben5479]

@@WestProZ17 when talking about a DPS ceiling? Acheron washes Firefly. Her sustainless comps have way higher value, she has much higher team variety, and pretty much any clear that FF can get against content Acheron can also get the same if not a better clear than her even at E0S0. If we are talking about the casual F2P, then yeah. If you don’t want to play around with sustainless comps, don’t want to abuse DDD comps, don’t want to attempt 0 cycling, yeah she’s better for the general playbase, but my whole statement started with ‘at the top level’. Also, that’s the only comment? The innocuous statement from the first paragraph that barely has anything to do with the actual post’s content and thats what gets you to say ‘you sound clueless’.

[@WestProZ17]

​@@bronben5479E0 S0 Acheron without Jiaoqiu is incredibly difficult to pilote. FF isn't the best but is easier to pilote and has access to big dmg without breaking a sweat. Nobody gives a shit about cycle clears. End of the day y'all still getting the same number of stars and jades. You sound like one of those sweaty meta players who's mind is plagued by 0 cycle and fast clears. You need to look past that and wake up.

[@xdrakken]

I just hope Aglaea will be a good character, not easy but good if you are optimal with her (without need of eidolones or LC)

[@itsdantaylor]

No joke, I tried out HSR roughly when it launched, dropped it as I lost interest, and came BACK just to pull on Firefly. I knew nothing about her gameplay at the time, I'm just a huge sucker for Tokusatsu that, you give me any kind of player character that can Henshin into a robot and i'm DOWN. I have since caught up in HSR and gotten a bit further into the 'meta' and don't use Firefly as much mostly just for variety sake and trying out other characters/teams.

[@imjusthere7970]

Firefly is so ridiculously strong that... she's really boring. She feels like a free win button, and thats as someone with e0s0. I have actively benched her because she's just ruins the game for me. Firefly as a character for me is a "fuck it, I don't feel like playing or doing this content right now." The last time I used her was for feixiao echo of war (which is also pretty boring to me) and I haven't used her in pretty much any end game content since her release

[@lokrj]

Of course using her is a free win since hoyo has consistently put the trio Choir puppet since her release 🤐

[@lekhoa4735]

lol its the same for me about the boring part. I have her at e1s1 and about to get her E2 and Fugue if possible (cus i still like her alot lol) but the gameplay is not that fun anymore after getting Feixiao and her team (lol the turn jumping fua attack is absolutely fun to watch). I still use her for one half of MoC and Feixiao for the other half though.

[@Misaka05050]

I feel that. While I don't think she's this automatic win button, playing as Firefly got old and boring real fast.

[@shanecoffing]

I've discussed who I think is stronger between acharon, firefly, and feixiao with a few of my friends that all play, and we've decided that overall feixaio is probably the strongest unit. She has strict team requirement setups, kind of like Firefly, but her damage is just so astronomically high and her team's syergy is so good that it outweighs almost any negatives. She has. Mind you, her e2 is probably even more powerful than firefly E2 which is saying something

[@_walnut_15]

Firefly ult downtime doesn't exist in MoC unless the Last part is 3 HP bars boss. Choosing E1 over S1 is better if you plan to E2, it changes HMC to have a Break rope and DDD LC. I plan on getting her E2 just to secure the 0cycle so I can still play DoT on the other team, she can 0 cycle but maybe soon 1cycle. also if you're only getting e1 for def ignore, it's better to get E1 Ruan Mei or Lingsha since it's more universal

[@kertuo]

I like the pair of Lingeha and Firefly since Lingsha can cover what Firefly lacks. Lingsha can reduced the toughness for in time for Firefly to break and as well the AOE coverage

[@Eukira12]

There will always be another character that will surpass previous ones and power creep them eventually.

[@genericamerican327]

god i sure fkin hope there wont be another firefly. the constant shilling for her to the detriment of other characters, the weird forced date in the story that made no sense to happen, as well as how cringe the waifu weebs were about her. .. .. . .yeah im tired of her

[@chronoxxe]

I swear Firefly is the character who I end up constantly making better when trying to upgrade some of my other characters. I farm for Boothill relics, and I get Firefly ones instead. I pull for Dan Heng IL's light cone, and the 5 star Herta light cone becomes hers. She's a monster of a DPS.

[@Ale-Y]

Is this Xiangling copypasta

[@chronoxxe]

@Ale-Y No, it's legit. I feel like she's my Xiangling though

[@russvent]

SUPER FUN?????????? she is the most boring character to use. she has NO depth

[@aimaraziz564]

We thought the Trailblazer were the main protagonist of this game, but we were wrong. It was Firefly all along.

[@stuffzluvverz_7665]

funny thing is she's Sp-unfriendly, that's her only downside. But the fact that buffs of most characters are three turns. This drawback is virtually absent cause her best team is TB and Ruan Mei that uses only basic attack till the buff wears off, and TB can just get energy from break'ed enemies, not needing an E.

[@4g3nt06]

My only grievance with her is how she needs HMC. If the next MC is going to be just as game changing, we need a new source of Break damage. I wish the Super Break granted by HMC wasn't so high that Individual characters' own break damage cant be too high.

[@NaturalCloud]

I never really liked her in the story, and i pulled for her character banner because of how absurd her kit was at E0S0. Since i pulled E0S1 Rappa i haven't used her since. She might not be as good but she sure feels a lot more fun to play around with.

[@cinderblockdevourer]

She actually does gains benefit out of her hp manipulation I think it’s supposed to be a hp to energy conversion so her skill damages her but gives her extra energy And her enchanced skill heals her but gives her no energy

[@thomasnguyen4427]

her most famous, groundbreaking achieving is hoodwinking everyone’s expectations and experience for Divergent Universe into the worst identity crisis since the nihility and destruction path post 2.0. She will always be the queen, and so far, hoyo hasn’t poured in an extra amount of effor for anyone elseto claim the throne of FF from her yet.

[@LuizFernando-he8mc]

tbh even with an extremely good kit she's no longer the best dps in the game for a while since feixiao dropped, heck, even rappa (in aoe) and boothill (in st) are giving her a run. and as fugue isnt that much of an upgrade for FF as she is for the other break dps'es plus new remembrance meta coming, she's getting behind now. the powercreep in hsr can be brutal sometimes

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

be fr bro feixiao top dps? said the same when jingliu and acheron dropped lmaooo rappa can't do shit if enemies aren't imaginary, most likely to drag 4 cycles below boothill's usage are non existent in pf so what a waste of stellar jades Unlike ff, she's all in one, every content you slap unto her table, she eats it for an e0s0 character, its better to get ff and hoard as much as jades as you want rather than pulling niche characters e2 ff is by far also one of the best eidolons in the game in regards to cost value

[@LuizFernando-he8mc]

@entsensei feixiao humiliates FF in moc and as, even in pf she's doing more points than ff and shes a hunt unit bruh 💀

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@zxcentsensei.sunder Feixiao is an absolute monster and can brute force anything right now. She doesn't *need* her premium team and she is overkilling with them. Her clear times clear everybody and she's even showing to be a monster in Pure Fiction.

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

@@LuizFernando-he8mc nigga that's just robin showcase LMAO crit dps can't be compared to break dps since these are only two different types of archetypes in dmg if you wanna compare a crit dps, compare it to crit otherwise in lower cost, break teams scores higher feixiao would eventually get powercrept in 3.0+ after new crit dps comes out lmaoaoao

[@Saix1031]

@@zxcentsensei.sunder 😂

[@gemani_gem]

She got double the hype because she was 2 characters, she's awesome.

[@lasko1828]

Basically: Firefly is op and makes everything in HSR much easier. I love her as a character, but I don't like her as a unit whatsoever

[@m3c427]

I really want to like her, but man idk I just can't, I think her personality is fine, I dont love it nor hate, but her gameplay lacks something for me, it feels too simple in plain words I would say boring I don't have boothill but he feels way more interesting and engaging, I think it's because the game is already very simple combat wise so when a character that needs more attention and planning exists it feels more entertaining for me no hate for fyrefly mains, just my opinion has an fyrefly skipper lol

[@saulcastroforte9032]

for me firefly was fun to play for some time but whem i got rappa on my account i only use firefly whem i actually need to use her, every other times i use rappa as my breake dps, i still love firefly with all my heart but rappa feels more fun play.

[@maheee]

from your thumbnail i thought you meant firefly's character appearance design is overloaded. turns out its something else. ok im listening ._.

[@Romashka_Sov]

Firefly has literally "But wait, there's more!" kit

[@GabeIG]

I liked her in the story but damn do I regret getting her over boothill I barely use her anymore

[@Falthiere]

babe wake up redflaim uploaded

[@justjuniorjaw]

So anyways, just wait for 3.0 era to get going. Then 4.0 era. Then 5.0. We've seen the insane powercreep of HI3rd, we will see it again.

[@lucustwyatt1960]

SET THE SEAS ABLAZE!

[@serikazero128]

side note that not many people know. Firefly E2 is bugged, its bugged boys. Sometimes, you just don't get resets despite weakness breaking or killing enemies. Very noticeable in the game mode with many enemies. Yes, I know that after a reset you are not supposed to get another one right away, but when her turns comes back, even if she breaks or kills, sometimes she just doesn't reset.

[@Ale-Y]

The best thing about her is definetly the weakness implant

[@daijoubun6648]

It sucks for me that they chose firefly to overload with usefulness...because I don't really care for her that much. I'm not a big fan of the mech suit thing, it's a little upsetting that you only see firefly (beyond her face) in the overworld, when she has such a lovely design. I'm also not a big fan of break teams, either. So all in all, FF goes over my head and I can only hope they do another megahyped unit in 3.0 with a busted kit that I actually really enjoy.

[@danelmore6553]

I agree, about the whole mech-suit aspect not being that interesting. However, I have to say that her being "un-suted" in world is actually really cool - Especially with the design of her tech. It strikes me that is like she just jet-packs herself into the air, and then comes crashing down into the enemy like Tony Stark (complete with "superhero landing" pose. I mean; admit it, that is just cool. Conversely, I do find super-break one of my two preferred archetypes, however. So I am probably more inclined to grant her grace than you would be, simply due to her suiting my play-style specifically.

[@ancalyme]

This, especially since they made Boothill so clunky and hard to play just before her

[@daijoubun6648]

@@danelmore6553 and that's totally fair, FF has an appeal to a lot of people clearly. I just wish other characters got the same kind of love. RM has always been my favorite and I'm glad to see her coming back into the zeitgeist, at least. I plan on using Fugue in a lot of scenarios, mostly my acheron engine and possibly boothill.

[@aquasis995]

I don’t think she got a bad deal. You can look at Firefly’s panties in the overworld if you’re running and looking down, which is exactly what her fans pulled her for. Not to mention basically all you see with SAM in combat is Firefly’s face cut-in.

[@_nbcake]

@@aquasis995 please go outside

[@andystar22]

her e1 and e2 seem like what other characters would have as a e4 and e6

[@danha3107]

ever since I got her, she feels like she trivializes whatever endgame I bring her into :’) double edged sword lol