Why Self Taught Riders Crash 12 Times More

Today we’ll talk about why self taught new motorcycle riders usually tend to crash 12 times more than beginner riders who went thro the training course. By self-taught riders I mean not only people who, well, taught themselves to ride a bike, but also people who were taught not by trained instructor but by friend, family member or any other guy who were supposed to know how to ride.
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On Moto Control channel you will find videos about motorcycles, motorcycle riding techniques, tips & tricks and online motorcycle training for beginner and advanced riders!
A little info about me. My name is Andrei Bodrov, originally I'm from Moscow, Russia, and now I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow I was a motorcycle instructor and creator of Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in Moscow (well, at least the advanced one😁). My advanced training course makes emphasis on slow speed riding techniques at first (such as good clutch and throttle control, proper riding posture, proper use of vision, etc.), then proceeds to more advanced techniques (such as aggressive braking, trail braking, maximal lean angle). The course incorporates a lot of exercises from DOSAF slow speed riding (similar to police rodeo like motorcycle training in USA), braking and cornering exercises and motogymkhana style riding. And now, since I actively learn English - I decided to post some useful videos for both your and mine practice!😉
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Since everyone writes this, it's necessary, I suppose 🤷, so here we go. Disclaimer: Ride at your own risk, you are responsible for your own safety. Me, Andrey Bodrov and my channel, Moto Control disclaim any liability incurred in connection with the use of riding techniques from this channel. Use common sense, wear full protective gear and ride in a safe and predictable manner!
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[@southend26]

Best motorcycle instructor on KZbin, hands down.

[@MotoControlEn]

Thanks!:) Hands down, bottoms up!😁

[@peterholst8875]

Well as far as I can tell, this guy is the only serious instructor I have seen on KZbin. There must be others, I just haven't seen any. Most of what shows up on KZbin is crap from yammi or the fire dude, people trying to make a living producing empty clickbait videos and making a "community" but don't have anything to teach. A lot of what the fireman preaches is wrong, and about selling you overpriced stuff.

[@Chopbreaka]

@Peter Holst Check out Robert Simmons ( Be the boss of your motorcycle) and Moto jitsu

[@onemanmob6756]

Best one I've come across at least... Not only telling you what and how, but also WHY - I personally absorb new information better when I know why I should do it and I agree with the explanation.

[@Baleur]

@@Chopbreaka Moto Jitsu is good but he assumes new riders instinctively knows things and avoids explaining them. Such as "dont try to steer the bike, just let the front wheel auto-correct", i only EVER heard this from Moto Control, no other tutorial channels mentioned this, at all.

[@marsoelflaco5722]

I took a 2 day motorcycle rider/safety course in order to get my license. It was helpful but I watch reputable channels like this for more tips and pointers. ✌🏽

[@mybibleandmybike]

I watch your videos and every ride I go on I will find a parking lot to practice the tips you have taught… now I would not consider myself an expert by any means but I can feel myself becoming more confident the more I practice your techniques… and the most important thing I’m learning on this beautiful machine is that learning never stops and it actually makes u respect the art of riding even more… thank u for ur videos…

[@MotoControlEn]

Wow, thanks! Glad to be of help!

[@boenq1908]

That's the way to go. Good job, and always keep that way. Be safe.

[@mhoeij]

More recent studies don't find the 12:1 ratio, so I don't think this ratio is still accurate. Even so, it's kind of crazy for riders to go on street without practicing braking and other skills. I really appreciate your material to help us become safer. Ideally there would be in-person classes that I can take, and in principle, they are offered where I live, but in practice, these advanced classes never run because nobody ever signs up for them. The only classes that actually run here is the basic MSF course that people need to get their license, the follow-up courses are listed on websites but they never run. Because of this, advice from KZbin is the only source of safety information after the basic MSF course. And your channel is the best, you have the highest quality motorcycle safety content on KZbin. I recommend your channel to anyone who rides a motorcycle. PS. In addition to safety, there is another reason to learn more, riding is way more enjoyable when we learn more!

[@diox8tony]

he quotes 2 different stats/ (1) self-taught riders are 12x more likely to crash than trained riders....(2) 92% of all motorcycle crashes are from self-taught riders, only 8% of crashes are trained riders...THESE DON"T MEAN THE SAME THING....#2 could simply mean that 92% of all riders are self-taught, and there is an even chance of crashes. the 2 stats don't connect, and #2 is useless without more info. you can't conclude #1 like he does.

[@kridcsr1341]

Before I bought my first bike, I watched a lot of your videos first. I am practicing by myself based on your lectures. Doing very good so far. Very easy to countersteer or lean bike but only on parking spaces. On the road it's very different because everyone is passing everywhere not caring for anyone.

[@MotoControlEn]

I agree! That's why we practice, so later we can pay more attention to the road situation. For us and for those who are not😁

[@nullshock3381]

This is why I take the MSF every year, basic every year basic to advanced every other year, it's free in my state(I'm in US.) And it's a fun way to spend the weekend, and I keep my riding skills sharp. I'm aware, I am going above and beyond, but it's something I enjoy.

[@bulltivation7846]

I'm self taught rider, but I'm taking the riding very respectful and train drills from KZbin videos like yours. I also always reading articles and repeat everything in safe environment and then on the actual road. I would say that there are two types of self taught riders

[@Introspectiverider99]

30k subs already! Congrats. Glad to see more people discovering this channel

[@drglobule8a]

Great video, great channel. I'm a new rider with less than 300km under my wheels, and while I am a total beginner, I feel I at least have the honesty to admit it, and I'm trying to get as much good advice and training as I can, I don't want to end up a statistic. Ride safe, and congratulations, you're a great teacher.

[@aluisious]

Merely the point you make that counter steering is temporary and that the wheel ends up pointing left in a left turn is something that very many people in the USA will argue with forever, despite it being easily observed. I can't imagine that being aggressively stupid helps to avoid accidents.

[@andrzejswietek4012]

Both legs on earth and great experience. Moreover, he has got a seldom gift of explaining complex matters with simple, non theatrical words. Great.

[@supersportscience2440]

If by training we mean something like the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Basic Ridercourse we have in the USA, then the 12:1 ratio isn't nearly correct. We know it because motorcycle insurance costs the same (unless state law requires a discount) whether or not you took the MSF class. Repeated studies show at most a small safety benefit from MSF in the first year of riding, and no measurable benefit after year 2. But by all means take all the training you can, because some things aren't reducible to numbers. I learned by watching hundreds of moto videos, then passing the written test for a learner permit, getting a GSX-R600, and riding by myself in a big parking lot, picking up skills little by little, then on low-traffic roads, and so on. I dropped it at least 11 times in the parking lot but no injuries due to full gear. After the Gixxer was stolen, I got a ZX-10R and resumed the same process of parking lot practice and back road riding until I felt ready to take the skills test, which I passed the first time. On a superbike. At age 56. I still watch as many safety and instruction videos as I can, and a lot of crash videos too, which are a big help in actual traffic because you immediately start seeing similar situations and know how to deal with them. I might even take the MSF basic class sometime since I'm sure they have good ideas.

[@samchu5335]

i love how smiley you always are 😁😁 before the video even starts, we know it's gonna be a good one 🤩

[@vagtzortzis]

I couldn't stop laughing with your intro! 😂

[@melvinallennavales8547]

Simple and direct but also informative, I Agree many self-taught riders are prone to accidents, that why I watched YT specially your channel and practice what I learn from you.

[@thomaspotthoff3139]

Loving,and learning so much from your videos! As a rider for more than thirty years, Seems I'm still learning! Wholey agree with user below... "Hands Down, the best motorcycle instructor on You Tube! So many are giving very dangerous advice... Be careful 'yall!

[@rememberitsallagame]

Man, wish I'd found you in a car park 20 years ago!, I'd still come for lessons today - if you were a bit more local 😂all the best and keep the videos coming! Bristol UK

[@ritamacedo4434]

You are the best. All your videos are so informative. Your instructional videos are very clear and very concise. i am very happy that I came across your youtube channel.

[@serjmonroe7585]

Nacho Vidal??)) А ю сисриусли, мэээн?))) У тебя очень крутой канал, мужик. И сам ты позитивный очень, радостный. Классно на тебя смотреть и слушать. Желаю успехов!)

[@mmariorr9949]

Best on the market instructions simply and smoothly💪💪💪💪💪many thanks for your efforts mate 🏍🏍🏍👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@Alien26589]

I'm a self taught rider and I'm just 23 and I'm riding bike since 10 years now Yes I was 13 Y O when I started riding a 70 cc bike and I learned riding bike 80% by myself and I'm glad to share that I've never been into any accident or never even Got A scratch By bike except those scratches and cuts I got while washing my bike 😆 Whatever you say about riding like counter steering Engine braking (I mostly use gears for braking instead of breaks but not in emergency braking ) And recently how to control throttle I already know these techniques I don't know how but somehow I've been using Many of these techniques for a long time now And that's why I love this channel

[@grimreamer2512]

Yeah, I don't know man. I took a beginner course for this exact reason and it was a shitshow. The instructor gave a 2-3min explanation of a technique and told us to do it. The instructor didn't care if I understood and proceeded to the next skill. It was a total waste of money. I bought a cheap used KLR I plan to do all the drills with pylons in a parking lot. I can't afford insane rates for private lessons, so this is the best I can do

[@abtysonofficial]

I've been riding for 2 years now and have got a great control over my bike but still i feel like I've got self doubt in me i sometimes don't feel much confident about myself even though what shall i do

[@ruidax]

Awesome! Thank you so much, great advices! Cheers, from Portugal

[@wadeblake3451]

Excellent advice and approach to riding.

[@girlandherguitar]

Your videos are excellent. Thank you so much.

[@Murad.bn2]

In the recent year we have drastic increase in quantity of moto couriers, and most of them are on 50cc bikes, while by current legislation they don't need a driving license and number plates. And these guys, driving without training, are crashing daily in our crazy traffic, many get seriously hurt (also because many lack proper safety gear). So proper training is a must, both riding skills and road situation analysis.

[@marcj.sibilia6030]

I think your instructional videos are among the best and most clear instructional videos out there. Thank you. But, I think the 12x number is really click-bait. At the time of the Hurt report, probably very few people took motorcycle instruction. Nowadays, instruction is much more common. If it was 5% at the time, instruction would actually make you more likely to crash. Probably at the time, it may have been 10 or 15%, saying there was a significant benefit, but certainly not 1/12. Without the number for fraction of riders with training, the 12x number is meaningless (although it did get me to click on the link). Thanks again for the great instruction.

[@MotoControlEn]

You caught me, I manipulated the statistics a bit, like all russians like to do😁But I think the point of the video is still valid.

[@rienkhoek4169]

Haha, got you there :) but seriously, i wonder if there is still a substantial difference between, say, the US, where there is very little training necessary to be allowed to ride a bike, and a country like, say, GB, where the bar is set a lot higher.

[@MotoControlEn]

@@rienkhoek4169 I wonder myself, and I even think there is, though I couldn't find any good study which can prove that.

[@steve5825]

These videos are not just useful for new riders there is a massive amount of advice and exercises to try even for veteran. Superb work Andrey, you deserve far more subscribers. I tell everyone that trains with me to check out your channel so I hope they do. Personally I’d like to train with you, we can all keep learning new things on motorcycles, the time it is probably most dangerous is if we think we know it all.

[@jeanpaulmeyer5772]

It's also expensive and unavailable. And starting one is difficult

[@heritagehillsecurity8778]

This channel is great. Thank you.

[@WJRobbins125]

Great advice! Thank you Andrei!

[@Alien26589]

Lots of Appreciation From Pakistan Bro

[@arnab6408]

So if we are learning from you on YT, are we self taught or trained? Or maybe both 😉

[@MotoControlEn]

I think a bit of both:)

[@MrMangozalo]

Nacho Vidal LOL!!!!!!😂

[@akashagarwal869]

in India 90% riders r self taught aftr seeing such good motor vlogging videos i wish we have good driving schools over hai

[@Chopbreaka]

Where can I get one of those kid pajama tops you're wearing ? 😂

[@MotoControlEn]

In the kid's store of course!😁

[@boenq1908]

It is true, but it depends on who is the teacher/instructor behind that. -n addition to that, the rider must, I said, must use his/her brain to think from any possibilities that may happen. Just like school. Teachers cannot hold the responsibilities of future life/success of the students. Students must dig deep their own to study. It is no difference with learning anything that dealt with skills. With that said, self study can be useful or disaster. Most accidents of MC riders caused by: 1. Lack of skills, do not practice and assume, once one knows how to ride and that's it. 2. Peer pressures. 3. Showing off. 4. Arrogant. And too emotional when riding. 5. Try to prove the rider knowing everything on the street/environment. 6. Entitled. 7. Impatience. Always rush. 8 do not obey the traffic laws. This could happen to any riders who are taught by professional instructors or self taught by family members and friends. 9. Knowing your bike and check it every time before riding. Just like a pilot does a pre-check flight. The key issue is: practice often, be humble when riding, respect other motorists when they do not, use MC as a transportation equipment just like vehicles, and everything will be just fine.

[@dzunku1]

I took a class which consisted of two 5 hour riding training first. After failing a test, I took one more 5 hour training and passed. Am I considered to be properly trained rider in this video? I bout a NAVi 11days ago and fave been practicing 8 letter myself.

[@umuthoca3148]

Thanks a lot

[@prototype9904]

In 1981 EVERYONE was basically self taught. Statistics can be made to say just about anything with proper framing. With that being said, numbers from 1981 are useless today m8. \m/

[@didntcya]

well, hurt report is 40+ years old, I guess there are a bunch of other factors which changed drastically now.

[@MotoControlEn]

Yes they are. Slava Ukraine!

[@didntcya]

@@MotoControlEn suspected that you ok but wasn’t 100% sure ) you have a great channel, wish you all the best

[@didntcya]

by the way you maybe have read or would be interested in MAIDS report. very detailed and informative study 2013

[@noonsun533]

Thanks

[@JimboSRP]

My view of anything, whether it is motorcycle riding, car driving, economic forecasting, medical advice - anything - is that you can ignore the experts if you want, but you do so at your own peril. They are not always right, but they have a far better and more informed shot of being right than you do. Play the odds. If you want to put yourself on a two-wheeled machine capable of catapulting you through the air at 100mph with the flick of your wrist, slap bang in the middle of hundreds of other machines 10 times your weight and 4 times your size without proper training, that's your right. Just do the right thing and tick the organ donor box before you go out there.

[@michaelbennett6572]

Are you misinterpreting those stats? "Riders involved into crash : Self-taught 92%, Trained 8%" doesn't mean that self-taught are 12 times more likely to crash. It means that of those involved in a crash, 92% had no formal training. It is possible that only 8% of all riders received formal training in 1981 and that there is no correlation between training and crashes. You can't draw the 12 times more likely to crash conclusion from that one statistic.

[@MotoControlEn]

It was sort of a joke with motivational context🙃

[@canoai]

I love you man, but feel like I need to correct something here. Thats a wrong way of looking at statistics. For example If %90 of riders are self thought, %92 is expected in the statistic you shared

[@ZulRf]

haha, i was self taught and i drop mine in.....the railway....

[@graham7282]

LMAO thanks Nacho! 🤭🤭🤭🍆

[@henryj.8528]

The statistics cited at 1:11 does not support the conclusion (which I, like you, believe is true). 92% of riders in (reported) accidents may be self-taught (or learned from friends) but that number doesn't tell us how much safer taking a course is. It could be that 92% of riders are self-taught and the accident stats are identical. What we need to see is data that shows the accident rate per 1000 self-taught riders vs 1000 who took a course. My guess is taking a course is safer and there should be data to back that up. Flying an airplane is also counter-intuitive at times. Which may explain why the Wright Bros were the first to fly. They made and rode bicycles and knew how to ride. Most attempts at airplane construction assumed that planes would be turned like ships--with a rudder. The Wrights figured out that planes turn by banking--not unlike riding a bike. They won the race... I watched Itchy Boots ride from the tip of South America to the Arctic Circle and nobody pulled out in front of her (no animal darted out either). Yet that happens to me almost every day (cars, deer).

[@diox8tony]

wowowow. (2) 92% of crashes involve self-taught riders....DOES NOT MEAN (1) self taught riders are 12x more likely to crash...#2 doesn't mean anything without knowing how many riders are self taught...if 92% of all riders are self-taught, then there is an equal chance of crashing regardless of training.

[@ocramj6861]

marry bike and manual car = manual motorcycle :P ride safe

[@keithdainton6043]

I was a self taught rider and I went for 50 years with no accidents till I hung up my motorcycle helmet for a ebike one.

[@MotoControlEn]

Are e-bike helmets any different from regular ones? I don't have an e-bike yet:)

[@keithdainton6043]

@@MotoControlEn yes I just wear a regular cycle helmet

[@andycocchia4202]

Does watching every video I find of yours count as self taught? 😅 Asking for a friend 🤣

[@andrechagas4549]

Do you plan on offering a motorcycle training course/class in the near future?

[@MotoControlEn]

Yes I do, in a couple of month

[@chris-eb8ky]

First view and first like 👍🏼

[@chris-eb8ky]

And first comment 😂

[@MotoControlEn]

@@chris-eb8ky Combo:)

[@sharp4271]

4 Days ago?! I am only watching the premiere now!

[@santoshsukhai2551]

I learnt on you tube sooooo……🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@ruidax]

Ahahah Same here! Still breathing so we are on the right side of stats 😅😂 cheers buddy, stay safe n enjoy the ride!

[@boenq1908]

You can learn from anywhere in the world today. You did right. I would suggest to connect with local experienced riders and pick their brains too. Ride safely.

[@AKKHUPAWAR]

Either your new or motogp biker, basic rule drive slow on road.

[@JayReacio]

I’d love to take a motorcycle safety course, but around me they only offer courses on Saturday and Sunday, and I can’t give up a Sunday

[@nme817]

Just use up one Sunday. Maybe save you or someone's life.

[@nme817]

Just use up one Sunday. Maybe save you or someone's life.

[@JayReacio]

@@nme817 Sunday is for God, it’s a matter of faith and conscience for me

[@nme817]

@@JayReacio Okay, so if you crash into a car with a family in it, and one of the children survives but is handicapped and a vegetable for the next 20 years of her life, this is better than missing church for only a single time?

[@JayReacio]

@@nme817 Yes doing God’s will is more important than literally anything else, and I don’t just go to church, I also abstain from work. That being said God is also the arbiter of life, if He deems someone will live or dies there isn’t anything you can do about it, no amount of MSF courses is going to save you from eternity, The real safety in life comes first and foremost from a relationship with the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

[@anyamargaux858]

Weird i thought my self

[@mannyechaluce3814]

Hurt report :D he he he

[@sharifamireye]

But what about me, who learn bike riding from KZbin, not from any trainer!

[@AmazingHaze420]

Maybe the numbers are just being misinterpreted. Because the majority of people dont take proper training ok, but they are the majority riding too, so they have to be the majority on crashes as well

[@Bugside]

..."not only people make mistakes" shows Tesla logo, nice

[@Muzikji]

So you say learning from you channel is a waste of time? we must get trained by instructor in real life?

[@MotoControlEn]

Yes, trained by me!🤣

[@Muzikji]

@@MotoControlEn Wow! that's cool thank you, I'll start my journey to Argentina right away! it's just 9000km

[@MotoControlEn]

@@Muzikji 😁

[@arvingh659]

🙏🙏

[@mr.robot7669]

Wrong come Egypt every one is self-taught riders and we are best in riding bike because we drive with no traffic rule and with mad car drivers

[@DevenportCreations]

If self taught riders crash more likely does that mean watching your videos isn't going to help me become a good rider. Jk. I know what you mean. 😂😜

[@MsStelab]

👌🏻🙌🙌🙌

[@ReevansElectro]

What was that cheap shot at Tesa for? Tesla drivers are 10 to 12 times safer than North Americans. Facts do get in the way of the popular narrative.

[@edensmith2426]

While I have no doubt that riders that undergo formal training crash at a lower rate than those that don't, your assertion that 'self taught riders crash 12 times more' is simply not correct. You have presented data to back up this claim, but made a logical error interpreting it. The data simply shows that 92% of the sample (of riders involved in accidents) did not have any training. To make any assertion about the effectiveness of formal training in preventing crashes, we need to know what percentage of all riders (including those that don't crash) undertake formal training vs those that don't. If for example, only 8% of all riders take formal training, then the crash statistics actually show that formal training makes no difference at all in crash rates. Hypothetically, your argument would be like saying 80% of all crashed motorcycles are black, so therefore riding a black motorcycle makes you 5 times more likely to crash... This would be incorrect, as it would likely just show that black is the most popular colour for motorcycles. We would have to compare this number to the percentage of all motorcycles that are black vs some other colour. If in this hypothetical example, 85% of all motorcycles were black, then the data would actually show that black motorcycles are safer than other colours! Statistics and data are great for making comparisons, but you have to be careful that you are comparing to the right thing.

[@MotoControlEn]

That was not a mistake. It was a manipulation😁

[@edensmith2426]

@@MotoControlEn Well, that is not very good. If it was an honest mistake, then I could understand. If you are intentionally misrepresenting data to a public audience, then you lose credibility on everything else that you say. While your intention (encouraging new riders to take formal training) is noble, using manipulation and misrepresentation to achieve your goals is not. Please don't abuse statistics and data for click bait. Your quality content and information are what we want to see

[@aalandk]

Aka americans

[@orhanbiyiklibykl3179]

👏👏👏👏💚🏍🇹🇷

[@freak1sees714]

Nacho Vidal?!? Bahahaha