Why "Simple" Power Systems Work So Well

[@kodoqbesar4301]

JoJo went from basic sun breathing to punching ghosts to literally getting PhD just to understand how a Stand ability works

[@agentnickel8217]

@@kodoqbesar4301 okay but thats what make it peak as fuck

[@mrstudent9125]

That's why JoJo is the goat

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

@@kodoqbesar4301 that's the fun of Jojo. The silly fights.

[@immortalRob8791]

None of the stand abilities are hard to understand? what

[@kayagorzan]

@@immortalRob8791I guess there are stands that may be confusing to people like King Crimson and Chocolate Disco

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Simple works because you can do more with less restraint. In a complex power system, abilities need to be justified. In a simple one they can just be done

[@_DaMan_]

@@kanemccarthy1979 that's an interesting way of saying you can be inconsistent

[@FlashOfSonic]

@@_DaMan_ It's not that you're allowed to be inconsistent - more so it's easier to stay consistent. Fewer rules means you can do more without breaking the rules.

[@smoke4818]

Undead Unluck is a perfect example of a power system where the logic is up to the user because it very much is. Negators are only limited by themselves and their beliefs. this gives the author so much room to work with with out retconning anything.

[@Friendly_G]

Still don't like that anime

[@smoke4818]

@@Friendly_G and why that pal. and don't say because of chapter/ep 1 because the problems there are gone real quick.

[@Friendly_G]

@smoke4818 I watched up until the episode where the protaganist kills the girl who could make a force field then we find out the undead guys past with him being chained up

[@rapaly]

@@Friendly_G So you didn't even finish the prologue is what you're saying.

[@smoke4818]

@@Friendly_G welp guess you know nothing. watch till you know why there are no stars in the sky.

[@nrdzilla]

Thank you for this video Salad. When trying to make my own story I would sometimes worry if people wouldn't be interested if there isn't some large power system with a 50 page rule book you need in order to understand. Simplicity does not inherently mean lesser quality.

[@Cosmosdestructor]

Something I love about Naruto’s power system is that, theoretically, anyone can learn to do anything. It’s all just different forms of chakra manipulation, so if you have enough chakra and know-how, you can most likely pull it off. Even Kamui can be replicated with a combination of fuinjutsu and space-time ninjutsu(though, to be fair, fuinjutsu can do pretty much anything).

[@StriderWolf]

except anything relating to special eyes, birth powers, and tailed beasts lol

[@Cosmosdestructor]

@@StriderWolf incorrect. It was stated in the Land Of Waves Arc that bloodlines can be replicated by studying the corpse of a ninja who possesses one, which is one of the reasons that hunter Ninja burn the bodies of missing nin they kill. Tailed Beasts, however, while it’s true that not just anybody can create them, replicating their chakra and abilities is theoretically doable, if you manage to get your hands on even a little. For example, the Gold and Silver brothers started generating their own Kurama Chakra after he ate them and they kept themselves alive by eating his flesh, absorbing his chakra by doing so.

[@4chigi4]

Not me actually having to take notes when the anime is explaining its power system

[@AtomicWarfare]

Very weird

[@theunderstandable]

I had to make notes for the aura types in hxh

[@nepge8967]

I take notes because I write fanfiction and well yeah, that's all, taking notes due to writing fanfiction.

[@gvnn911]

The peak is rising! It's overflowing!

[@Axel-qu1fv]

Kagurabachi is so peak bro

[@code066funkinbird3]

Yea

[@cosmomind7469]

My favorite simple power system is pyrokinesis from fire force. There’s just so much variety on how the characters use produce and manipulate fire. Each one has their own spin on it but always originating from those 2 abilities.

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

"what does ki do?" "Yes" Also Next "MC" idea: Which MCs can win the World Tournament.

[@danielwesley5051]

Flight, energy blast, telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, getting frickin buff, opening wormholes, stopping time, am speed, multiplying buff-ness, or, best of all, CLOTHES RAY!

[@azzamramadhanusmira6226]

​@@danielwesley5051Wait, Isn't clothes ray actually from magic?

[@donaldrts]

@@azzamramadhanusmira6226 Yes it is. Dargon Ball actually has a few different power systems. There is the most popular, Ki. There is Also Magic, Telekinesis, God Ki, and more that I cant even remember all that well.

[@gustavosauro1882]

From what anime is the World Tournament?

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

@@gustavosauro1882 ......dragon ball

[@alfieingrouille1528]

I like atla the most the elements and how only the avatar can wield all four but each element also has diffrent subdivisions earth with metal and lavabend Water with healing and blood bending and so much more😊

[@gustavosauro1882]

Probably my second favorite system after Stands

[@064razor]

@@alfieingrouille1528Much more sub bending elements Water: Ice, Blood, Vines(swamp bending) Earth: Sand, Metal, Lava, Mud Fire: Lightning Air: Cloudbending(?), levitation

[@LovethedemonWolf2.0]

That’s why I love in dragon ball it’s so simple and my fav and quirks too amd magic too ( fairy tail and black clover )also ninjutsu from the naruto series

[@selfishbeats]

thats becaue they don't use magic.. and chakra is not simple. there's 5 element affinity those elements can mix into different things, like kekkai genkai or kekkai tota, there's senjutsu which is an entirely different thing. there's also shinjutsu and karma.

[@desertsandfly2277]

I love how many stories have their own unique form of power systems. Meanwhile Dragonball's power system is simply, "Just lift bro. And be sure to meditate as well."

[@selfishbeats]

No, Dragonball has 3 different facets at least, Ki, Magic and god ki. meditation is just part of martial arts and has nothing to do with the power system

[@ameenwajhi1062]

I love how you show variety and quantity doesn't always mean complexity

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

I feel like the devil fruit power system is perfect. The powers are well defined and it's fun to see characters use those Powers in creative ways

[@manoflead643]

I think devil fruit was SO much better than haki. Oda making haki less relevant with the awakenings stuff was the best decision, because wow, giving everyone the same super perception + super resistance + super damage power set that negates everything else made every fight just a Haki measuring contest. Who wouldda thunk it?! The advanced forms of haki were at best a bandaid to that problem, but making some fruit able to work despite haki was the much better decision.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

exactly, I think people hate the power system too much, they act as if haki or fruits have to be at the "nen" level its works for the world and storytelling of one piece

[@Ninja-ixy]

@@manoflead643 I don’t know, I think Haki was a great way to not make certain devil fruits too broken.

[@KaiKrimson56]

​@@Ninja-ixyBeing able to touch people that can turn into smoke, sand, mochi, or in the case of Luffy, be immune to blunt damage via rubber among other intangible elements is why Haki needed to exist.

[@danielg.9075]

@@Ninja-ixy To add on too, I think Haki is cool and works well at least in the sly way its been introduced so far in the time skip where I'm at. Without Haki, I was beginning to question how Zoro would keep up with Luffy but it balances the field.

[@anuragdas4605]

Although you talking about "Simple power system" in this video, but i want to talk about one perticular manga that didn't have any types of power system, but still has potential to compete with manga with "simple power system". I am talking about Yuto Suzuki's "Sakamoto Days", even though this manga didn't have a power system, it's still amaze me how Yuto Suzuki's deliver us sach a unique but simple fight at the same time! Btw you should guys check it out this manga

[@kodoqbesar4301]

I actually like Bleach's concept. Characters have unique abilities either simple or complex, but what matters is Reiatsu. If your Reiatsu isn't high enough you can't damage your opponent, kinda like how a skilled level 10 player faces off against a level 100 player without any experience

[@luizotavio44]

yeah its also the only reason ichigo was able to steamroll over anyone who wasnt a captain

[@AmbivalentRay]

@@kodoqbesar4301 That’s actually the reason I dislike Bleach. All that matters is power levels there.

[@ri_c_e]

@@AmbivalentRay i think a healthy medium is if your reiatsu/cursed energy/ki overly eclipses your opponents i think the abilities effect would be less and less effective, but not making it a dik measuring comp with power levels

[@JustinIgiraneza-bt5td]

@@AmbivalentRay same with almost every other anime

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

​@@AmbivalentRaydragonball: am i a joke to u

[@lesdies12]

I love how Black Clover and DB have different iterations of Ki.

[@Ringoismybirdo]

Akira toriyama brain when making ki energy blast go boom

[@Rob-nk2fd]

A truly complex power system is the fate one. It's so complicated that even the fans themeselves don't understand how it works often enough.

[@nelisezpasce]

You talking about Magecraft, Witchcraft, True Magic and so on? Parameters, Authorities, Origins, Conceptual Weapons, Mystic Codes...

[@Rob-nk2fd]

@nelisezpasce yep. It's technically the same system of magic under different aspects while also being completely different magic systems. This fact is already more complicated than many other power systems

[@nelisezpasce]

@@Rob-nk2fd I don't even know exactly how many systems are there, because non-mages can still inherit genetic psychic abilities, Dead Apostles and Church members may or may not employ spells, and mountain people from the 1980s haven't interacted with Spiritron Hackers from the 2030s yet as far as I know.

[@thetele8646]

but does that make it good power system? if its too complex, i feel like it isnt good.

[@Custer_X]

Fairy Tail's Power System is Simple. Some people have Dragon Slayer Magic Like Natsu, Some People Have Ice Maker Magic, Some have Celestal Magic and more.

[@Fuegoaries]

Only problem is inconsistency in scaling the system, the power system simple & works but also needs some consistency but every thing is friendship power

[@chocolatebar6785]

shout out to spin

[@jalenjohnson0339]

I think you hit the nail on the head you need to find a balance for authors if they want to make their power system more complex they need to make it easier for their readers to understand. JJK is a perfect example of that and so far I think Kagubachi has that balance as well. But I think simple is easy because it’s easier to understand obviously but the authors doesn’t restrict themselves from doing whatever they want as long as it makes sense and fits the power system

[@mrgold1760]

Kagurabachi in the thumbnail, HAD to click.

[@eliasmaissour437]

fireforce too has a relatively simple but great powers system

[@ShockedTaiLung]

I love eating at The Salad Bar

[@kingme1313]

RAH! Undead Unluck MENTION!

[@JackgarPrime]

Having a simpler system means the author has to spend less time worrying about the specific intricacies and rules of their system and just let it do what it needs for the sake of moving the story along. It also means the audience can move on without having to be constantly reminded of particular rules to not get lost.

[@xande5345]

"It also means the audience can move on without having to be constantly reminded of particular rules to not get lost" Looking at YOU Jujutsu Kaisen.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

@@xande5345 but jjk is easy compare to nen the only think i could agree its is in the last couple of chapters, the power system and the power scalation is kinda over the place

[@mattb.7079]

​@@guilhermepupo2840 how is it easier? Especially when, most of the time, the only relevant part of the power system to HxH's plot and fights is Hatsu; the other principles and techniques are used very marginally, unlike in JJK

[@guilhermepupo2840]

@@mattb.7079 conditions, restrictions and vows... and the names of nen being much similar can cause some confusion to understand like ren,ten,ken,en and more

[@code066funkinbird3]

​@@xande5345jjk is fine even explaining it

[@ian7595]

I like simple power system, especially when the power is just, complete this dungeon and obtain this object, fight other pirates to obtain this fruit. Is like a reward for a Challenge. My problem with this kind of powers is when they are not unique. My example is black clover, yuno has air magic, whats the diference between his air birds, air arrows, air tornado or air kamehameha? Nothing, this makes the fights worse, because nothing is happening they are just spaming attacks. ( Black clover also have good examples, like darkness, light and time.)

[@danielg.9075]

Even as a fan of the show this is painfully funny and accurate 😂

[@code066funkinbird3]

And frieren is pretty much like that also with no complexity

[@HerMi.T]

That's what i think about chainsaw man power system which is like personification of simple power system. Their are devil which are feared and that makes them powerful and hybrids can't be normally killed. A simple system which gives author to have freedom to do whatever crazy shit he want to do.

[@williammiller3052]

Thank you for the video. Your editing is fantastic, and your points are well articulated. Bravo. I respectfully disagree with many of your points, more so how they apply to specific examples than the overarching idea, but that's irrelevant. It's interesting to see an opposing viewpoint articulated well and in an enjoyable way. So again, thanks for the video.

[@worstgenerationrecords]

JJK’s power system is simple, it just explains it weirdly.

[@gustavosauro1882]

I wouldn't say simple, just not as complex as people say

[@flamingdoge6242]

I would say it straddles the line between a hard and soft power system, leaning more toward the former. With cursed techniques being unending in variety, but the foundations of jujutsu and cursed energy having very set in stone characteristics

[@mxrxos]

@@worstgenerationrecords I remember that one chapter where Gege just went on and did a 10 page essay just to explain a character's technique bruh

[@Not_obligated2care]

Till this day I don’t fully understand the power system lol but as long as it has good animation idc. I’m not the biggest fan of jjk I just watch for some of the side cast such as mei mei / gojo / maki / yuta and some others. Yuta is so bad ass

[@mattb.7079]

By that logic, HxH's power system is simple too

[@damooooooooooo4153]

I fully agree with your video. When the power system is simple, and has hard rules, it feels intuitive. When you break those rules as well, it feels like a big deal. Logia types in one piece were seen as being op since you would as the question "how can you deal with them". They were overpowered. So when you brought haki into it, it felt like a big deal. You can now deal with logia types using haki which can negate their elements. Plus since haki itself has more softer rules, you can get away with bending the rules a bit, or adding onto it whilst remaining consistent. This is also why the fight between enel and luffy was a big deal since enel was seen as a super op character. Someone who was destroying the whole strawhat crew. So luffy countering him felt extremely intuitive because he was made out of rubber. It was basically a very well done deus ex machina. It allowed you to close the gap between enel and luffy, without compromising enel's strength. You didn't need to make enel weaker, or make luffy stronger. Or create some muddy situation where this occurs. It just felt right. I personally do prefer simple systems over complex ones. Since if you just say that you have some "magic force" instilled in you, it pretty much gives you the ability to get away with anything. You don't necessary have any rules you follow. You can do anything because your "magic force" makes it so. But if you have this "magic force" and you have rules put into them, it feels better too.

[@2capi]

secound video i see about simple and complex power systems in a short time.

[@CatotheE]

I’m reading the HxH succession war arc and I’ve come around to this position.

[@Potable_scent]

You should make a video of which MCs could win the steel ball run (they still have to beat pocoloco, Johnny, Gyro, etc)

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

I like simple because I don't derive entertainment from the power system alone. The power system is like 10% (if that) of my enjoyment of One Piece/Dragon Ball/Naruto for example, what I truly care about are the emotional themes, characters, animation spectacle and writing. When power systems get overly complex they automatically take up more time and that time is taken from where I get enjoyment. When they stay simple they don't take up much time and it also doesn't matter that much and you can just sit back and enjoy. Now I will say there are shows/manga where the power system is the draw for me, an example would be Jojo. There the arcs literally are all about the power of the villain and the mystery behind them and overcoming. But whenever a character in Jujutsu Kaisen or Bleach explains his/her powers my eyes gloss over. I used to care a little more about power systems but now I see them more as lore, I just realized I can't really have an emotional connection to either so I can't get excited about it.

[@manoflead643]

I think the real distinction here is, the simpler a power system is while doing what it needs to for the story, the better. Stuff like Stands and Nen and jujutsu work because the rules are always there, and they're simple. Stands just say "they have an ability, and possibly a punch ghost". Nen says "you have aura, and you can make pacts to trade anything for anything else. go wild." Jujutsu says the same, but with a different energy and inborn abilities to fit the... actually, honestly, JJK's setting is probably less dark than HxH, if only because HxH was probably that way to be all 'watch humans take something completely neutral and consistently turn it into evil'. Mistborn is another great example of a system that lays down a simple, easy to understand basis for all of its three (!) power systems, and sticks to them. The other side of the scale, the bad ones, fairy tail and black clover. I hate these power systems. The core of them, in both cases, is "they have magic, they absorb it from the air and store it in their body, they can expend it to cast spells, they get new spells by xyz". Some things, like black clover's mana zone, are good and fine, they're a natural extension of the core. Then the authors start grafting bits on to explain plot contrivances. Oops, they made their villain immune to all magic, better make it all magic except this sort! And also this sort, because this guy doesn't have that other sort! Oh, and this one too. Suddenly Black Clover has like five different types of magic, of which one actually has a tangible difference (true magic making real lightning instead of lightning-y magic), the rest are just handwavey same thing bigger explosion. Adding complexity is to be avoided wherever possible, it must be worth it, there must be a point to it. Else it's just bloat. Also, distinction between power and power system, obviously the abilities in Jojo's and HxH are sometimes convoluted, but that's a whole different thing. I do think the principle also applies there, though, Jojo's worst stands are the most complicated ones.

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

I like black clover power system and how it's tied to character development most of the time and i i think u have misconception their only 3 types of magic in black clover , normal magic, true magic and ultimate magic Normal magic is just magic everyone uses or magic that comes from your own magic supply. True magic u are using nature mana to power your magic instead of your own magic supply, it's similar to how naruto absorbs nature energy to enter sage mode and use senjutsu, that's true magic basically uses nature mana to power your spells it's called true magic bc they are taking mana from nature Ultimate magic is just magic but with a higher output, it's similar to gyo from hxh where they can raise there nen output temporarily for advantage similarly mages in black clover they raise the level of magic they normally use , for a particular spell Stuff like spirit magic and devil/forbidden magic are not necessarily types of magic, they are just magic unique to different races , think of it like dragonball where they have god ki , demon ki and evil ki , think of it like naruto where u have tailed beast chakra and six paths chakra , they have different names but they still do the same thing they are just more powerful similarly how god ki is usually more potent than regular ki and how tailed beast chakra is more potent than normal chakra, Also they don't absorb magic from their surroundings, ppl in black clover subconsciously turn their life energy into magic, stuff like zetten is just consciously using your life energy to make more magical energy to boost what u already have for a brief burst of power it's similar to how goku can launch attack that is greater than his own power level by using the kamehameha encae u dont the Kamehameha multiples the user power level by 2 for brief moment If u don't understand i can explain more if u want

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

​@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218 Ultimate Magic is literally just the Bankai of magic. It's your strongest spell and the one that most defines you.

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

@@thomasthecoolkid7228 I think u gave a better explanation for ultimate magic, I didn't think of it like that

[@zetamanga5785]

I love this video it highlights some power systems that are looked down upon because they lack endless layers of complexity. Don’t get me wrong complex power systems can be interesting but tend to be to much. Simple system like the ones listed are good because their simple but very rooted in their stories rules, And they’re cool. I’d pick most of these over Nen just me personally.

[@Ezzzyleerock09]

Ok is the best and worst power system it’s so simple that it basically has no rules so most of the time its just beam attack but occasionally toriyama can deliver interesting abilities without breaking the power systems rules because basically it’s just you have energy that you can use and it can do things like shoot beams make you teleport etc but sometimes it’s just to simple but for dragon ball I think it works despite the flaws

[@selfishbeats]

dragonball also has magic

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Luffy be like- I’m rubber ain’t that cute? Just kidding I was god the whole time, my power is to always win and never lose

[@richartist938]

Nice, I can see you talking about more animes and their power systems. Like JoJo Bizarre Adventure, Hunter x Hunter, and Naruto.

[@wade9824]

Personally, I tend to like simpler power systems compared to complex ones Chakra is one of my favorite systems but i feel its like the perfect middle ground of both simple and complex The Magic in Fairy Tail is also generally pretty good, given that almost anyone with a container can learn any type of magic, no limits to what they can learn, that is if they choose to learn it and then there's the magic they're born with they can learn, like Erza's Telekinesis Magic Dragon Ball's power system is also generally fantastic as well, easy to understand and anyone can learn Ki, if they choose to, don't know about the other energies, which aside from God Ki, I assume anyone can learn the other ones as well But in terms of wild power sustems, I gotta go with the Guyver's power system, the suits, tye Zoanoids anf Zoalords... Intense stuff that tickles my brain something good

[@figwho_]

Another great power system is the use of Jinki in Gachiakuta, highly recommend the series really good.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Jinki ?

[@whyamistillhere3258]

JJK’s system was fine until sukuna started pulling binding vow out of his ass like no tomorrow, which all magically solves his problem

[@highcaliber350]

i like that the binding vow can be used that way. asspulls in fiction are common, but binding vow has the extra component of the cost. as long as the price sukuna has to pay feels fair to us, then the vow works. right now, it might seem that the writing failed but we don't know how the costs of the binding vows sukuna made will come into play in his eventual defeat.

[@mattb.7079]

JJK readers when the peak of jujutsu uses the power system at its full capacity:

[@Parz03]

I like what baki and kengan ashura do where all of their abilities aren't because of some super natural force but because they're simply built different.

[@brasenwollert2455]

i think trion from world trigger is also a good example

[@twelfthknight]

The main issue with simpler power systems is they're especially vulnerable to power-creep. When you don't have many mechanics going on the choice is either to introduce new ones to expand your narrative options with horizontal progression or you can increase the numbers (so to speak) to create the sensation of progression by growing linearly. This is partly why the latter arcs of Shounen manga can be the most underwhelming in any given series, they've exhausted the earlier creative potential of their power system and are just making everything bigger-er-er to compensate.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

the same can happen with more hard magic systems, just look to hxh or jujutsu chimera ants and the calamities in hxh sukuna in jujutsu

[@bafenada1141]

@@guilhermepupo2840 I wouldn't call the Chimera Ants a bad example at all. They are much stronger than anything we've seen before, but the way they are dealt with prevents the series from losing itself in power creep. The only major problem that I have is Nanika, because it can do pretty much everything if Killua so desires and it negates consequences

[@crocoboi7936]

@@bafenada1141to be it’s connected with the dark continent which we barely know anything about

[@guilhermepupo2840]

good video people act like every power system has to be the next "nen" or look down on other power systems just because they don't work like "nen"(look for you hunter x hunter fans) simpler power systems help the authors to don't have to think too much or Maybe the focus is on other things like world building (One Piece) or use the power system for character development (Chainsaw Man) just take Pokemon as an example, it's a simple system that everyone likes and leaves a lot of freedom to expand like mega evolutions all things the power system need most is consitency and execution another example would be avatar, simple 4 elements but they are works both in world building and philosophy

[@NewGuy00]

I might make my power system simpler after watching this it’ll be easier to work with

[@aitlin]

First thoughts at the start of the video: I like the thumbnail (i clicked because of it), i like your voice, and your editing style. Maybe try giving some pauses when doing transitions? Voice is already fast enough so it becomes a white noise when too consistent

[@LaraAltheaG.Tiongco-lw4ym]

Kagurabachi mentioned!!!

[@voltagestorm1787]

Solo leveling is probably not mentioned because of it's similarity to quirks from mha, but also simple and effective

[@shinkore]

Yo can you do a video about Jjba villains abilities being translated into the JJK verse?

[@RiceCooker-san]

fun fact. one piece has 3 power systems actually. its devil druits, haki, swords. as we've seen swords in one piece actually kinda have a mind of their own and their own will power. we've also seen swords get stronger as the story progressed.

[@villiannewyork]

One piece has a lot of powers that are kinda just unexplained like Hakuba and the Qi Gong

[@MDKDan]

simple is just better cuz its not complicated and not hard to follow however some complex like cursed energy works well as theres a lot of creativity behind it and makes it interesting

[@BlackmanHD]

Best simple things in life are able to be explained with a degree of complexity.

[@_WiZ420]

Complexity within Simplicity alongside Simplicity within Complexity is the only answer. Having one without the other is boring.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

execution and consistency is what made the power system good, don't need to be the next "NEN"

[@fatihfatih4519]

kagurabachi mentioned 🥳

[@Titian_0]

Please make more videos like this

[@tomfurey9062]

Id actually argue that HxH has a pretty simple power system. It just allows for massive diversity of usage and the complexity is only really added for individuals unique techniques.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

simple no, this is like saying mistborn magic system is simple

[@RestlessGamblrr]

nen above all though🙏

[@dolionaadofa1947]

The restless yapper appears on salad? Cool

[@guilhermepupo2840]

ki and nen are the same concept, the difference is the execution of both both systems works for their respectives worlds

[@uboa8060]

@@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh the difference is that dragon ball doesn't do anything interesting with ki. Ki kinda just does everything with little justification, it feels like ass pulls when you look at it from a big picture perspective. Nen is based on ki ultimately, but because it takes the time to categorize, explain, and subdivide itself it feels more like aspects of the system are being revealed to the audience.

[@guilhermepupo2840]

@@uboa8060 how not? the dbs literraly expand the concept new apliccations of ki like hakai and blade or scythe of goku black even god ki the aspect i could agree it is underused is magic in dragon ball like moro

[@pric3lessl0s3r5]

@@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh Exactly

[@CometX-ing]

I honestly never understood the idea of calling stuff like Devil Fruits and Quirks a power system. Its like saying being a mutant or Meta Human or falling into vat of chemicals in Marvel and DC is a power system. In order to be a called a system, a power system should be more than just a set of abilities that all share a name with very little tying them together. Like Chakra and Ki are power systems which have an infinite number of possibilities that anyone with either energies can use to create a variety of abilities but its all ties back to a very basic source. Someone with Ki can do anything someone else with Ki can do but there also has plenty of freedom so they can create their own techniques. Chakra has more restrictions and rules and functions, but there's still enough room to where one person could theoretically do what another person does while also having the freedom to create their own techniques. In the case of DFs there's no underlying thing that ties them together beyond, eat a fruit, get a power lose the ability to swim. And in the case of Quirks its just, be born with a quirk that may or may not have some kind of physical drawback or handicap. Someone who eats one fruit or is born with one quirk can't do the same things that someone with a completely different DF power or quirk can do. A Quake Quake person can't do stuff a Dog Dog person can do and vice versa. Someone with Pop-Off can't do what someone with Explosion can do. There's no real system at play, just people with a differing abilities, some more similar than others. Sure, quirks and DF can be awakened or improved and are split into types, but you're hard limited to what you can do with that ability. Haki is very power system because anyone with access to a specific kind of Haki can do the same thing with enough effort. You may need to be born with Conqueror's Haki, but one person with Conqueror's Haki can do the same things another can.

[@Fuegoaries]

I think a simple power system is calm as long as the scaling remain consistent. Like the introduction of god power in db fuqed the scaling where god ki is basically nothing.

[@bafenada1141]

I kinda agree but I think the scaling in DB was absurd long before God Ki

[@Fuegoaries]

@@bafenada1141 true but I was making that an example since super was a new show it had a chance to start something new with the god power and transformations & den it just went back to the regular old scaling once again lmao. I mean the original DB scaling wasn’t bad at all. Z had wonky scaling but it did take a twist when they introduced supreme Kai that stayed consistent because nobody could sense their ki so this was like an introduction to all the god stuff.

[@bafenada1141]

@@Fuegoaries Ah yeah true. I'm not up to date with the manga, but does any new important character after Zamasu even have God Ki? The only ones I can think of are the Gods of Destruction, Angels and Supreme Kais, but they all do basically nothing in the story

[@Fuegoaries]

@@bafenada1141 fr😂 & bro nah, the only one who has something of god ki is toppo he has the destruction energy other than that nobody ultra instinct goku and jiren had this heat ki that was basically superior to everyone else fr whatever that was supposed to be tho.

[@EmeraldBlade98]

It genuinely comes down to how good the writer is. Nen is complicated but everyone loves hxh. Ki is simple but everyone loves dragon ball. Cursed energy is just an asspull system but no one cares because they just like watching everyone fight lol

[@raww_dogg_1876]

This was pretty dope

[@HelenaSan425]

i love my hero Quirks

[@selfishbeats]

thats a real braindead power system, id say thats simple

[@code066funkinbird3]

Yeah its like x men mutant gene @selfishbeats

[@selfishbeats]

@@code066funkinbird3 at least everyone in the world doesn’t get one

[@code066funkinbird3]

@@selfishbeats well it hope for the best

[@richinfacts6003]

I prefer a simple power system and simple doesn’t automatically equal lesser. This is a Shonen magazine revolving around combat. I don’t need a 5 page essay on why someone’s punch or energy blast didn’t land.

[@cashbrady4074]

yeah wish jjk had this

[@guilhermepupo2840]

but us simple magic system

[@dischordblast8992]

Enough time has passed………

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

They're referred to hard and soft magic systems in literature

[@alfieingrouille1528]

I love blackclovers alot

[@rancor4968]

Because it’s easy to understand

[@aeiouaeioujajaja1750]

A RARE UNDEAD UNLUCK MANGA READER ON KZbin WOOO

[@_WiZ420]

It just occurred to me: no way even half of this community understands Dragon Ball ki 😂😂😂

[@_WiZ420]

“this” being the general DB comm, not Salad’s to be clearer

[@LegendXD00]

Facts, don’t mess with dragon ball fans, we don’t even read/watch the manga/show

[@_WiZ420]

@@LegendXD00 I don't know why that's my favorite quote of the whole fiction

[@IDKSS]

@@LegendXD00 kid Buu is strongest Buu

[@RedYellowBird6889]

Let's go new video.

[@missyummy1040]

Do you think Medaka box power system is complicated?

[@jussaiyanz6275]

Bro dont forget gachiakuta man

[@TheSaladBar]

I just started it so I can’t speak on it☝️

[@jussaiyanz6275]

@@TheSaladBar shits peak imo

[@anon-55-t2x]

I kinda hate quirks, because the power you have is entirely based off luck

[@avito502]

At least og Naruto was really simple then Shippuden was still simple but they started doing crazy shit with jutsus

[@lenlimbo]

Eh... Since the beggining there was 7 elements, plus blood lines, plus the rank of the jutsus, plus the hand seals, plus fuinjutsu, plus the tailed beasts, plus the three type of applications (taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu)... It was never a simple system, and I'M guilty of thinking it was simple and should have appeared in this video at first, until I thought about it.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

​@@lenlimboexactly

[@warkrim]

Kishimoto made the power systems in Naruto way too bloated. Everything can be solved with chakra because chakra covers every base which means that in order to be strong you just need a lot of chakra and jutsu to burn that chakra up and destroy shit. There’s no reason for a shinobi to fight like a shinobi when the alternative is summoning spirit bombs and killing god tier threats. I think Kishimoto wanted a big grand clusterfuck of match ups for the sake of pure spectacle without actually thinking of the many ways his choices spit in the face of the original limitations and consequences of chakra.

[@LordCooler101]

I don't get why people act like Naruto becoming the way it did in Shippuden was such a shock to people or felt out of left field. In Part 1 during the Valley of the End fight between Naruto and Sauske, it's told to us that the Valley itself was created by the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Part 1 establishes right there that the strongest shinobi in the verse are capable of reshaping entire landscapes. The only reason we didn't see more crazy shit early on in Konoha crush is because the Edo Kages were nerfed and Hiruzen was fighting Orochimaru in a barrier meant to contain the fight as to avoid more collateral damage to the village.

[@lilpipe7162]

Anime at 2:01-2:05???

[@Exvinnittyy-CC]

W TSB Vid Frfr 🤫🧏 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️.

[@maskyboy2653]

Surprised you didn’t talk about Chainsaw Man… although I guess it would contain a lot of spoilers naturally.

[@sr.brigadeiro7718]

nice

[@deltacosmic5358]

Still crazy to me that kagura bachi was actually good after all the fake hype

[@ashgrun]

from what i can tell, chainsaw man is right in the middle of the spectrum.

[@haydenmcqueen2503]

I personally think that Ki leans to be too simple. especially in the latter half of the series. Ki leaves no room for any interesting utility abilities to be useful in relevant fights. Let's look at Hit as an example that ability is useful and unique but Jiren broke out of it simply by being so much stronger than hit. A way that the z fighters could have remained relevant is by allowing them to have certain utility abilities that allow them to help in big fights but the last time I can really think of something like this happening is in the cell saga with tien tri beaming cell into the ground to delay him. That's a great example of a character who isn't on the level of the big fighters but found one spot where he could still help with utility rather than raw power. But there really hasn't been too much of that since.

[@bafenada1141]

I think YuYu Hakusho's Spirit/Demon Energy feels like a better version of Dragon Balls Ki. It leaves more room for tactics and use of unique abilities, although the series ran into a similar problem of power escalation later on

[@LegendXD00]

I don’t think it’s “too simple” at all, just that people expect it to be something it never was in the first place. Especially from people that aren’t long time fans and just hopped on the bandwagon when super came out and now have these random demands to forcibly change the power system into just another one from a different anime because that’s deemed “better”. If you’re only going to use a single example from dbs and not dragon ball as a whole which you originally claimed, that’s not an actual problem and you just your own preference for what you think ki should be and not liking how a fight ended.

[@haydenmcqueen2503]

@@LegendXD00 It is my opinion which is why the comment started with "I personally think" It is simply my taste that throughout all of dragon ball the power system of ki is just a little too simple for my personal liking. If you like it that's great! I just wish that Ki allowed for more utility which would allow people who aren't Goku/Vegeta/Gohan to participate in fights against the bigger enemies. Which is why I brought up tien in the cell saga. He was no where near the main cast in terms of power but he manage to find a spot where his specific technique was able to help out not by doing damage to cell but instead by holding cell down. I don't mind simple power systems but when it becomes too much of "That's a cool technique you've got there it's a shame I'm stronger than you so it's completely useless" (Hit vs ssbkk/Jiren) I just personally like it far less.

[@LegendXD00]

@@haydenmcqueen2503 It “being your opinion” doesn’t make it immune to criticism bud. Hiding behind that thinking it’s some scared text that can never be challenged is your own issue and is an annoying take people keep using to deflect from criticism. You’re also not doing much to address my actual points in favor of just repeating yourself even after I already tackled those same overused and frankly overrated claims people love to toss around to “improve dragon ball” when it’s just them trying to force the show into what they want it to he or into a different anime’s power system altogether. Again, you claimed ki as a whole is “too simple” because the show doesn’t go the way you want it to.

[@haydenmcqueen2503]

@@LegendXD00 I never said I want them to rewrite the DB to "improve Dragon Ball" Dragon Ball is what it is. Both for good and for bad. There are some hax abilities that aren't negated by simply being stronger than your opponent. there are some that are. We don't know if Ginyu's Bodyswap works on stronger opponents or not. Same with Guldo's Time stop. We have no clue if Devilman could do shit with his devilmite beam. Solar Flare does seem to work against stronger opponents but there are very few examples as it's rarely used. Destructo disc is a strange one. Krillin used it against Cell Max to cut his wing. (In the movie he cut his cheek) In the Cell Saga, Krillin hits Cell in the neck with a destructo disk only for it to do literally nothing and then Cell later threw destructo discs at Gohan only for gohan to catch them and then throw them back at him. We've been over TIme Skip. We don't know if Dabura's spit would do much though since it's Magic and not KI. Future Trunks did deflect it with his hands so I'm not sure. Buu's candy beam did turn Vegito to candy but Vegito was able to resist it by keeping his power and consciousness and continued to manhandle buu so I guess it kinda worked? They just used a ki barrier to block lavender's poison. Mafuba does work against stronger opponents but there's a limit on how much stronger, it also drains your life force in return. Roshi said that he not only couldn't seal Zamasu but it would also kill him to try. So I think Mafuba is a pretty good example of a utility technique that works even on stronger opponents. However, Mafuba has many weaknesses which lead it being ultimately useless as a technique which further shows that utility abilities are rather lacking in DB imo. 1. There is a limit to how much stronger your opponent can be to you Roshi couldn't seal Zamasu for example. 2. It can easily just be deflected. 3. It can easily be redirected to hit the wrong target. 4. You have to have a container ready nearby. 5. The container can easily be broken/moved during the technique rendering it completely useless. 6. You can straight up hit your opponent but miss the container which means that if you use a small container which is ideal you have a much higher chance of missing the container. So there are some examples of utility movies that do still work and there are many examples where they're easily rendered completely ineffective. Which is simply my personal main problem with the series. If that doesn't bother you and you love Dragon Ball's power system as is that's also perfectly valid. It's simply a personal gripe I have as an individual. That is all.

[@thelastsagecandidate3394]

I think one of the best examples of a simple power system is magic in frieren. It's so simple, but by adding the concept of history metas science spetialties and visualization, it becomes so interesting.

[@Tekiism]

powrr

[@bensoncheung2801]

👍👍👍👍

[@zilvoxidgod]

Personally I think that jjk's power system is absolutely atrocious. Mostly because the supposed depth is in the explanation, but not actually in the story, and that complexity destroyed the pacing and stakes of the plot and fights. The specific jujutsu that you referenced was one of the worst offenders, where the whole thing was about gambling, except he never misses his jackpot. So aaaall the complexity and risk that we wasted a week reading was just nothing, since he is just nigh immortal on an endless loop. Complexity can't come at the cost of intuition either. It should be that by understanding the system and you can predict how fights might go and see interesting ways for characters to use their powers. JJK has none of that. Every ounce of complexity is added as a retroactive justification for what looks to the reader like a complete ass-pull, there's no predictive element. It needs these endless long-winded discussions that completely derail the action because with out them the reader just loses all suspension of disbelief, says "well that was bullshit" and puts the manga down. That is not a well implemented system, objectively.

[@NostalgiaKHR]

🦌leaving my mark, if you know you know.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

@@NostalgiaKHR no we don't

[@NostalgiaKHR]

@@alfieingrouille1528 "if" read bro😁

[@SansINess53]

Sonic is literally god if the plot wants him to be, he may have frieza's potential, if we actually think about it, sonic just increases in power which is interesting but there are some inconsistency but every power scaling system will at some point have some inconsistency.

[@magnetic9089]

[@Kuledud3_Fan]

Yu-Gi-Oh!'s is good, right?

[@African-AmericanGoose]

I like complex power scaling, I don't like power scaling like DBZ/dbs: "oh my power level is 14005 and you only have a power of 14000 units " and one shot him (vegeta vs pui pui)

[@LegendXD00]

I don’t think you even watched the video you’re commenting on and just another “dragon ball bad because simple” person

[@monthergamerz6786]

Cause you do not have to explain how the powers work lol

[@X3m.Gaming]

to me anything thats "each person has their own ability" is simple power system even thought it can be presented in complex way like jojo anything where "everyone has same ability" is complex to me but this can also be presented in simple way like fma or dragon ball. its just that with this system everyone can pull out random stuff they never did before in the series

[@baggelissonic]

Using the words simple and complex is quite vague and probably a bad idea. You should have just used the terms "soft magic system" and "hard magic system". There is a reason why these terms are preferred and it's because magic systems in fantasy can't be classified as just "simple" or "complex". No nead to retread ground and make up new terms. Worth noting, that a hard system can also be simple or complex. I just wanted to point out how weird the omission of those terms were given how they perfectly explain some aspects of the video.

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

I think your comment is somewhat ironic in a funny way. Everyone knows the terms simple and complex, he made his case for those terms but then you come in and bring in these "complicated" versions of the same words namely "soft magic system" and "hard magic system". I have never heard of those and I love that you say no need to retread ground and make up new terms when the two you mentioned are literally made up.

[@baggelissonic]

@@JKSmith-qs2ii all terms in existence are made up. There is no a single word in the dictionary that is not made up. Soft and hard magic habe been established as terms for over a century. The video is in fact retreading ground which is considered common knowledge in the literary world for a century and thus doesn't provide a meaningful insight to either of them. You could say "oh, it's just explaining the terms in his own ways". I guess, that's valid, but since he already misses 100 years of discussion on the topic, his explenations are very roundabout and not very refined. I do think it's very interesting that someone made an independent discovery of those rules, but the value of this video is greatly diminished, as it's both a bad introduction to those fantasy concepts and also provides little to none of his additional insight. If this video was restructured as an introduction on soft vs hard magic systems (which admittedly not everyone know about), it would have been a much better steuctured video, he could also research the topic better and his viewers would be able to attach the contents of the video to real life terms and let them communicate their ideas better but also be able to independently describe it. You seem to think that I believe he shouldn't have to explain these terms. I highly disagree with that, those terms require explenation and quite the lengthy one if you are adressing an audience of so many people. I have seen much much longer videos trying to describe the nuance difference between those 2 concepts.

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

@@baggelissonic As much as they are described and established in literature they remain niche and for specific contexts. There's nothing niche about the words simple and complex. Everyone picks them up just like that and everybody knows what he is talking about. Many don't care to delve deep into "power systems" like that. I'm sure it's true there are longer (longer does not equal better) more in depth explanations I was just pointing out there is something ironic about complicating the words simple and complex. It's actually perfect you said "all terms in existence are made up" because it just shows the nature of over-complicating. You knew exactly what I meant. If you want to reach more people you keep it simple. Everyone says "the microwave heats my food" and a small amount of people in specific contexts say: "the microwave utilizes non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation, inducing dielectric heating. This vibrates polar molecules, primarily water, causing dipolar rotation and increasing kinetic energy, manifesting as thermal energy". I'm not saying there is no value in the latter, most people just check out and disconnect from the message you're trying to convey. In Shounen when these power systems become overly complicated, they can take away from the core of the story-particularly the emotional or philosophical struggle between the characters. I personally am unsure of fantasy books, which as you describe probably had either a "soft" or "hard" magic system, that struck a chord with me because of those systems. If I zoom out it was always about things outside of that. This is getting a bit long but I am not saying you are wrong and that there is no value to getting nitpicky, I found the comment itself so fittingly ironic due to the video discussing keeping it "simple".

[@baggelissonic]

@@JKSmith-qs2ii It's not overcomplicating. He already spends a very long amount of time in the video explaining what simple and complex mean in that context, so in reality, those terms mean nothing until he explains what he actually means. Not mentioning the terms seems like a no-brainer even if you want to expand on them. The reason he didn't mention them is quite simple, he doesn't know that much about this literary concepts amd he is trying to retread ground through his own analysis. Once again, there is nothing wrong with not knowing everything and it's good he is using his critical thinking which is commendable. However, a lot of mental effort is spent on his part trying to define this concept and also trying to convey it. His lack of knowledge of the subject, means he is stuck trying to understand the fundamentals, preventing him from offering nuanced commentary on the subject.

[@CJ-qv4sd]

Devil fruits is a garbage power system

[@alfieingrouille1528]

@@CJ-qv4sd nope nope nopety nope

[@guilhermepupo2840]

no man

[@mjama2132]

Dbz power system is bad

[@tomylaw8262]

Why?

[@mjama2132]

@@tomylaw8262 lots of factors

[@guilhermepupo2840]

why is bad? its just simple power system

[@mjama2132]

@@guilhermepupo2840 it all about strength

[@guilhermepupo2840]

@@mjama2132 and? doens't mean its a bad power system

[@p_rnhub]

Mha is just genetics ngl