Why Some Countries May Not Have COVID Vaccines Until 2024

You may be getting vaccinated this month, but that comes at a weird cost. VICE News speaks with experts on why America’s role in withholding donations of our extra vaccines and putting off waiving our vaccine intellectual property prevents other countries from being able to get health workers and the elderly vaccinated, and how that is effectively raising the global death toll.
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[@user-wb7fl9ru2r]

It’s all business, just remember that

[@alphaomega5169]

It always has been.

[@MrCudlebuny]

lol Lack of oxygen tanks is about business? You gottta be joking 💀

[@mvhpets]

@@MrCudlebuny well, it is...sadly.

[@MrCudlebuny]

@@mvhpets Is it? In a third world country, you think it's about money? They barely have enough material as it lol If it was about money, no one would be getting oxygen

[@tientrinh943]

@We_live_in a_society capitalism is preventing it? Come on man. It’s not enough capitalism and distribution is the problem. Your products and services you use everyday are due to capitalism, not something else like the government creating things

[@imagunter9039]

People forget it's a privilege to wake up and not see a dead body floating down your local water supply.

[@HiAdrian]

Exactly, or having a sanitary, flushing toilet!

[@baniyajitechnical7525]

You from up

[@aniketchoudhary2907]

@@baniyajitechnical7525 no bro he is from peaceful community.

[@lynnbennett6848]

This mess has taught me to be so grateful for what little I have. We are blessed.

[@marcuswardle3180]

They’re not dumping bodies into a river. They’re putting the bodies into the River Ganges which is a holy river.

[@simplysylo6092]

Why did you spend the beginning explaining about how important it was to share IP, then at the end have an interview with a doctor in india who says "IP is the least of our worries" ?

[@djmc8732]

Goes to show the mindset right now, i guess..

[@universalhologram7266]

I thought the exact same thing. This is a very complex issue and IP is just a small part, but they spent the whole video discussing IP.

[@yusufal-kafir1539]

Why the hell are you still thinking so critically?? Open up and swallow already, goddammit.

[@waflletoast11]

becuase vice only cares about profits and good PR

[@-nomi.-]

Because it's a clip, not the whole thing. To advertise a TV channel nobody watches instead of KZbin

[@MayorMcC666]

Why talk about how big of a deal IP is for the whole video when you have an interview at the end of the video saying that the bottleneck doesn’t really have to do with IP

[@GutiSteve]

because its still an essential road block to tackle for the future of this pandemic, like they said in the video even if they cant start producing the vaccines until 8 months from now at least they should be getting started in the planning. IP is going to affect the entire world, not just India

[@JoBT42]

Because many companies will profit if the IP rights are waived, it isn’t even just the patents that will be made available but all the trade secrets and know how of mRNA technology as well. As other people have said, if the US was actually interested in helping the poor countries, they would be exporting their vaccines and supplies. The EU has sent more than 140 Million doses to other countries, 50% of all doses that were produced here. How many did the US and UK export? Basically none.

[@daviec1816]

Because it's a con that now that the state subsidized the vaccine, big pharma companies need subsidized facilities and hardware as well, so that they alone can monopolize the vaccine production, again on someone else's dime. In case you didn't get it, the problem with under production is under utilized production facilities. Patents restricts competitors from utilizing their own facilities. "Financial constraints" restricts IP owners from acquiring new production facilities.

[@itsroween]

Because when has a real problem ever been fixed…?

[@dannyboi7695]

If this was anywhere near as serious as governments of the world make it out to be theyd throw "IP" right out the window and just DO it and make as many as possible..but then its not that level of serious now is it..

[@MrLoobu]

What do you think drug company? Yea we dont "give" things, we start at a 10 000% profit margin and go up from there depending on how desperate people are.

[@GroundZeroHiroshima]

They are just having a scaring program in mass media. All mass media say it is going to be terrible, now there is something. It is a scary, scary, scary propaganda! People get scared because they do not know. Now WHO has ordered that everybody has to be by force injected... If there is a pandemia, or a real serious pandemic, then they give an order...This was just done to force people and prepare the governments give injections by force. ..By whom? By big farma, which deals with the world population and the world money... The target is to get rid of so many people as possible and get as much money from them as possible. (In the video from 25 min.) Bases 5 HD Rauni Kilde Part Two

[@jmatt98]

The vaccine 💉 only cost $20

[@MrLoobu]

@Cal Rogers No, they ate taxes, made false promises, and manipulated the global supply chain, and then wouldnt share rights to make the very simple product. Everyone who isn't in a rich country cant have it, by design, because they arent worth it.

[@ao1835]

@@jmatt98 and multiply that with hundreds of millions of people which some countries can't afford it.

[@jmatt98]

@@ao1835 yes they can

[@WhatIsThis-zq4hk]

Why are we all just ignoring the fact that the CMO of Moderna just said on camera that their profit margin is more important than the health of the entire world population

[@WhatIsThis-zq4hk]

@@aadityabhetuwal5990 Yeah I'm sure you charge your mom $30/hr when she asks you to come visit. After all, everything is business.

[@tolga1cool]

Shocker. A company states that it values its profit margins... Not saying it's right, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[@blafoon93]

Even if he personally feels different it is his job to defend the company's interests, so of course any large cooperation that's owned by shareholders will most likely have this stance. It's dreadful to think about but capitalism will happily put a price tag on the lives of millions. It is on us to force our representatives to put forth legislation that forces these companies to do the right thing! In the EU we don't have local representatives anymore but you can find out who the MPs for your country are by searching on the website of the European parliament (www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home) by selecting an MP you will also get their contact information (you can copy e-mail addresses by right-clicking the e-mail symbol btw, it seems the site is optimised for smartphone users). Just the same way you can google the members of the European Commission and let them know what you think about the current EU policies. This is probably more effective because as long as the MP you contact isn't in the relevant committee they can only put forth questions to the commission, very similar to opposition work.

[@leannhocuspocus4810]

Rich countries: (Buys up all the vaccines) Poor countries: Can you please share your vaccines? Rich countries: No, we need double or triple our population's worth of vaccines for reasons Poor countries: Can you at least teach us how to make them? Rich countries: (Buys up all of the vaccine ingredients). Sure, maybe we can teach you. Poor countries: (Suffers from second or third wave of virus) Rich countries: Geez mate, get your sh*t together.

[@Weltenbastler2000]

Well to be fair it has mostly been the US and UK because China or the EU have been exporting half of their supply.

[@leannhocuspocus4810]

@@Weltenbastler2000 Not surprised, UK colonized half the world, and look at the problems their colonialism brought the world... and then you have the U.S. and their foreign policies, meddling in South America, Korean conflict, middle east, Israel... and look what happened to those places...

[@pakde8002]

Great synopsis

[@pakde8002]

@@Weltenbastler2000 I'm in Indonesia and got the Chinese vaccine. It might not be the most effective but at least it's something. As an American I would rather see the USA practicing soft diplomacy here but China was first on the board.

[@Weltenbastler2000]

@@pakde8002 How is the vaccine supply in Indonesia? Is it mostly chinese only or is the EU also seen as one of the big exporters? I suppose Russia is probably irrelevant due to comparatively low worldwide supply.

[@UnforsakenAssassin]

I like how no one notices that they're worried about patents instead of ACTUAL HUMAN LIVES

[@357-swagnumultramagax9]

Your tripping , everyone knows this lol.

[@Matys1975]

If you applied that same logic universally, and you stoped enforcing all patents for all medications, you would be killing future generations of patients, as no company would want to risk millions on developing a treatment that they can’t make money on. If you want to save human lives, then all the rich countries should pool their resources together and buy vaccines for poorer countries.

[@maganashaker167]

@@Matys1975 Damn I guess releasing that insulin patent that was meant to be public by the intentions of the scientist who discovered it to save more lives is going to destroy the profits of pharma companies huh? So sad.

[@PinikRahman]

Making humans is cheaper than making those patents. Thats how capitalism work.

[@KRYMauL]

@@PinikRahman One could say that making a human is free, but you'd have to give them to away to some kind of orphanage.

[@4trahasis]

Looks like those "two weeks" to "flatten the curve" just got longer.

[@ZimmerSquash]

Come on guys. Don't be greedy, just share it so we're done with this. I wish it's as easy for me to say though..

[@trader2137]

you cant get rid of it, just get a vaccine every year

[@garyyang3485]

Open IP, get some random company with no experience making mRNA vaccines to make them. Sounds like a bad idea.

[@GeorgeEstregan828]

No. We love money

[@rockems4959]

What? Cmon guy we don't have it in the comments...

[@Matys1975]

@@garyyang3485 very true

[@daywilliams1700]

I refuse to buy toilet paper anymore. It gets caught in my crack. I use a self- made bidet. Wash cloths too. I feel so much better now.

[@waltersobchak3903]

Cmon mane

[@paulangelopineda2534]

good choice

[@liamknight8421]

Why is this the most liked comment 😂

[@undertaker7523]

You are a legend for this comment

[@StarKillerSK]

Ohhh those Americans

[@venividivici6466]

If a man knows not to which port he sails, no wind is favourable.-Seneca

[@justiceinside1265]

Did he say they’ve been working on this for years yet I understand covid out a year and working on vaccine for just under a year. That sounds a little odd.

[@kshitijghormade584]

We got them, they have been working on vaccines even before the start of pandemic. It's all a setup, the Chinese labs were funded by US government. They are doing population control and also making money.

[@fistsofpanda]

He means the MRNA delivery method not the covid19 vaccine itself

[@ezerasurfr]

LMAO....he says "billions in investments from private.." BS... The US tax payers have spent billions in R&D for pharma technology.

[@Daniel-gs9eh]

He mean the money they spent developing the vaccine technology because they are new types of vaccines

[@ezerasurfr]

@@Daniel-gs9eh that money was funded mostly by US tax payers over the last 50 years that mRNA technology has been in development. He's 100% absolutely lying.

[@twistedyogert]

Just share them. It won't be forever and it will shorten the pandemic and save millions.

[@jamiengo2343]

You do realise that countries don’t have vaults filled with vaccines? They’ve over ordered vaccines, but that doesn’t mean they actually have them

[@DaGillz9807]

Why would you share? It doesnt make you any money - and that is the one purpose corporations have.

[@twistedyogert]

@@DaGillz9807 Because the virus doesn't discriminate, Donald Trump caught Covid and he was super wealthy and also a head of state. We have to get ahead of this thing and expand the number of countries that can produce this stuff. There will always be more money.

[@jaryRim]

If pharmaceuticals didn't make money from vaccines, they wouldn't be making vaccines.

[@tgl1399]

So the CEO of BioNTech, the german startup that developed the Pfizer shot said that its impossible to scale up mRNA production with or without Patent protection as its way to complex as it takes 15k steps to cook mRNA. Have the temperature wrong by .5 of a degree for any step and the whole charge has to be thrown away.

[@TheLancaster661]

Covaxin the best just late

[@blafoon93]

No, just no. It's true that it mRNA vaccines are a new technology but it has been in development for about 30 years now. India and China have the biggest production capacities for vaccines in the world, they have hundreds of thousands of people working in production of drugs and definitely enough capable scientists that can implement it given the ressources. It will take time for certain but there is exactly zero reason not to try building up further production centers for covid vaccines as long as the ressources are available and even if the ressources aren't available right now you can still already share at least the full patents so that the local governments can at least try and get production going without having to research their own vaccine from scratch.

[@spenbour16]

Why is nobody talking about the effects of air pollution on lung function while fighting the virus

[@robertlackey7212]

I had a news letter and I talked about it , If I remember correct rural vs small town increased your risk of getting sick from the pandemic 1.82 times and small town vs large city increased your risk 2.15 times . I had the news letter for about a year , but I'm a American living in Guatemala and Americans are not popular here now , and the news letter was not helping people it was just drawing attention to me.

[@uioplkhj]

"effects of air pollution on lung function" Why would they?

[@robertlackey7212]

@@uioplkhj Air pollution is even better than water droplets for spreading the pandemic , water evaporates , many forms of air pollution do not .

[@spenbour16]

Added stress on the lungs makes working through respiratory illness significantly harder

[@ShidaiTaino]

@@spenbour16 hello if you have pneumonia it really doesn’t matter

[@satyamsaurabh8060]

After what happened in India no country will help other...India tried to maintain equity between itself and world and today the same world is biting it for helping the world...Why would any country want to help other country when media cannot even support good work? No vaacine will b exported atleast till this financial year

[@CrIs-yr9ow]

I'm wondering how people in Africa are doing. We don't hear much about them in the news

[@rayyankhan343]

Very young population so they seem to be better

[@KoenDeJaeger]

They treat it like influenza. So nothing special.

[@maluksd6537]

Well south africa secured enough vaccine for its populations

[@sayuas4293]

Because nobody cares about them. Not even they care about each other. So they die and its not even getting recorded.

[@Electric-Lady]

@@maluksd6537 No, it didn't. Not even close. I am South African. We are way behind.

[@Rachel-gv6hw]

This video shows a lack of understanding of a License Agreement. Most technological know-how is “shared” via License Agreements.

[@Hotlooksamerica]

The music on the bright cut away transitions brings too much levity to a serious topic.

[@youlikedyourowncomment5151]

In other words rich people wanna profit off of this instead of doing the right thing

[@qwerasdfjkl1990]

they say private enterprise invested billions in this research even though most of the money was funded by public taxpayer money. So I call bullshit on their reasoning.

[@JoBT42]

Wrong, majority of the money came from private companies for basically all available vaccines, the only exception being Moderna, which has made their patents available already.

[@qwerasdfjkl1990]

@@JoBT42 also wrong, majority of the testing for fda approval and manufacturing is funded by private companies. The initial research for the technology came from public research grants.

[@JoBT42]

@@qwerasdfjkl1990 Public research grants pay out a few million for basic research, the development of the actual drugs cost billions, most of which was, again, paid by private investments. Biontech for example spent about ~3 billion on the Development, then the (German) government funded about $400million to build up distribution and production sites faster.

[@Rachel-gv6hw]

The funniest part of the video is the ending - “IP is the least of our worries right”

[@philippevermeire3674]

That's why we need to share the way to make the vaccin even if Bill Gates is not happy about that ...

[@Raj-ez8vg]

India completed vaccinating 1billion+ people this month.

[@Gnashercide]

Very bad

[@daicekube]

The major issues right now are two: 1) Not the fact that there are patents that need to be suspended for a while but the fact that there are not enough plants that can make these new, presumably, mRNA vaccines, and 2) there are so many export bans on substances needed in the process and also spare parts needed in the vaccine manufacturing process. This is what blocks vaccine production for India's largest vaccine producing company. And, yes, it's the US that is prohibiting export of necessary parts. Also, the US and the UK does not export vaccines made domestically.. The EU exports half of the vaccine doses made in the EU.

[@nicholasriley1169]

Will they ever find out what caused Covid in 2019 in China ever?

[@MrKelzos]

Asking a pharmaceutical company for their IP during a global pandemic when the world needs their product...yeah that's not going to happen.

[@user6343]

capitalism

[@jaryRim]

@@user6343 Capitalism made the vaccine, just saying. Why don't they ask China for some of those sinovac vaccines?

[@Fernando-nz3gm]

Puk, this is sounding like the game Pandemic.

[@Erminestreet]

I think in the end most likely Sputnik v and Chinese producers would spread fast and dominate the market

[@byron-ih2ge]

india was ahead of them but then this outbreak spread and everything got destroyed ,all indian customers have moved to china and india despite being the largest manufacturers of vaccines is facing vaccine shortages!!

[@yaxl]

I mean can we blame them tho, it's what's available and no less effective than what's being hoarded by rich countries.

[@macjonseun6920]

Chinese hahahaha ..who believe Chinese vaccine .. already Brazil criticised Chinese vaccine

[@andrabook8758]

well why don;t you ask them to waive their patents :). see what they say?

[@micckyverma8790]

@@macjonseun6920 unicum

[@brianmurphy9317]

These countries want these gifts (I emphasize this word), they bend the knee, allow our military to maintain a presence there and do our bidding, or they can flat out die. Our science, our scientists, our money and our medicine. Pick one.

[@PUnder-zt2oz]

while once we have the third wave maybe someone higher up will consider your advice

[@gurukiran4567]

Vice please update yourself dumping bodies in the river is a type of cremation not popular choice, not generally preferred by everyone but it is a custom in certain sects.

[@karthikk7855]

This is your biggest complaint ??

[@Rachel-gv6hw]

What’s the use of a recipe without the availability of the ingredients.

[@michaelparascandalo9271]

Unfortunately, one of the problems that was brought up, was with medical products having patents, this causes slow downs on multiple medical supplies, as there is a physical limit to what certain production facilities can produce. In my opinion it only hinders people getting the help they need. Not just for vaccines.

[@bgkukumba6653]

Just give us season 4 of hamiltons pharmacopeia it's all we want

[@jonathanmendez1777]

Right!

[@noaha6185]

And season 5 after that! And season 6 after that!

[@lilfamous09]

Preach

[@polosaquarium691]

IP is not the problem.

[@aadipandey8237]

we have the capability , we just needed the raw materials from the west to make the vaccines. in fact India is the largest vaccine manufacturer in the whole world. we slacked in covid vaccine production cuz of lack of foresight of our government to procure those raw materials before hand. we have now cleared the hurdles and started the production of raw materials in our country , so now we are not that dependent on west as we were before. the target of serum institute of India is to produce about 700-800 million vaccine doses in a year. the other company bharat biotech is looking forward to increase its vaccine production too by around 600 million doses a year. every disaster brings with it a lesson , this taught us to be more self dependent and I hope we will learn and strive towards our goal. I am pretty sure as soon as the condition in India improves we will start exporting vaccines to other poor countries too.

[@keywee849]

Genocide is the only reason to inject people with chimpanzee adenovirus.

[@andrewzhang4098]

Working together sounds great but in reality, it's not that easy. Why would a company want to invest billions into developing a drug just so a B grade manufacturer can have the right to create the vaccine without having put in the initial exposure/risk??? Yes, intellectual property is arguably saving fewer lives but it's almost a guarantee that if a company like Moderna knew that the second their vaccine was created and hundreds of other manufacturers could create/sell it abroad, why the heck would they want to be the ones to create it if they can probably profit more by just waiting for someone else to do so?? We can't always use "greed" as a blanket statement for corporations since it's not analyzing the entirety of the problem, which in this case is intellectual property rights/distribution rights,. Oh and btw, for those who think the vaccine development should have been created by the government rather than "greedy corporations", we probably still wouldn't have a vaccine right now, just saying.

[@williamsjones4139]

Investing in crypto is a more lucrative way of making money

[@millerwilson1125]

Absolutely right , I got 70% of my total portfolio in crypto and I have been making good profits

[@mooretaylor6420]

I wanted to trade crypto but got confused by the fluctuations in price

[@johnrobert2828]

That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Mr Tony Gallippi

[@alexishenk3342]

I heard that his strategies are really good

[@walterjustin7579]

Yeah My first Investment with Mr Tony Gallippi made me profits of over $24,320 US dollars and ever since then he has Been delivering

[@Hotlooksamerica]

If all of the world’s billionaires declared that they were space aliens, I think most people wouldn’t even be surprised.

[@itsmuff2466]

I personally don't think just lifting IP will just solve the problem. IP is valuable because if there is no profit to be made, just a handful companies would have tried to get out a vaccine this quickly. Instead of lifting IP, it would be better if all export restrictions are lifted, richer countries are donating vaccines to others, production capacity keeps growing and that the price of the vaccines is fair to developing countries. Most of these ideas are being enforced by the EU right now where it does allow exports, certain members commit to donating vaccines while the new BioNTech-Pfizer/EU deal does include vaccines meant for non-EU countries. Also production capacity keeps growing which makes me think that after this summer other countries might also get a lot more vaccines. While the UK had a de facto export ban by having a UK-first clause in the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine contract and the US just did a total export ban, the EU and India have been the only bloc/countries allowing vaccine exports freely (without wanting political influence like China). Maybe the US should use its capabilities to give other countries a lot more vaccines while together with the EU, UK and India, production capabilities get used more by pressuring the pharmaceutical companies to give out more licenses.

[@Rachel-gv6hw]

According to this video, the owners of the several “ingredients” to make the vaccine are located in countries all over the world . These owners are being ask to give away the ingredients to whoever wants it. Will the transport cost, labor costs etc be donated even if the owners decided to forgo profits . Will the vaccine manufacturers then “donate” those vaccines produced with the free IP use and free inputs .

[@shaheedahmedlaskar]

Years of effort.. Did I hear it right🤔

[@Chrisdacal]

Feels like planned 💁‍♀️

[@ManjulaBandara]

Well ofcoz big biomedical companies didn't hire industry expert and spend their money just to give away what they founds through series of trials and errors. It's their business model and can't complain. But imo there should be a soft corner to save people's lives.

[@soumitramishra3313]

I mean we all knew that but india took that responsibilty to deliver vaccines to poor countries as soon as possible but now india is facing the second wave crises. Help us right now and i am sure india will do anything in its power to provide vaccines to poor at the rate as low as 50 cents.

[@micckyverma8790]

They are helping India. But main question is that did India is ready to help himself?

[@keywee849]

Genocide is the only reason to inject people with chimpanzee adenovirus.

[@engineer3230]

@@micckyverma8790 yes 620million dose done

[@benwilson6145]

Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine has been licensed in India already and 25 million doses administered, as Covidshield.

[@Laotzsa]

How about we start talking about how we can naturally strengthen our immunity like let’s say, eat healthy, exercise, get your micros; etc...

[@ss-pw4ch]

Actually saying the cost of cremation is high is one factor , but also in parts of the country where people's traditionally bury people near river side or flow the body in water which is called jal samadhi. In certain villages of up and bihar

[@kshitijghormade584]

The poor villagers in UP and Bihar are unable to afford wood for the cremation. So either they are burying bodies, or throwing them in rivers. Interviews of villagers in Bihar, revealed that throwing bodies in water or jal samadhis were not practiced in that region. And the bodies were thrown due to increased cost of cremation.

[@ss-pw4ch]

@@kshitijghormade584 definitely prices are high and many people are refraining from cremation because of that is on factor, but jal samadhis are practiced in those regions, for example, young people who are unmarried and children generally flowed into the river. you may search for it on the internet. either it's showing how many people have died due to covid.

[@yuvrj6294]

( Several media reports have covered the news of World Health Organisation (WHO) classifying B.1.617 as variant of global concern. Some of these reports have termed the B.1.617 variant of the coronavirus as an “Indian Variant”. ) So it's B. 1.617

[@arpanabinaswar1811]

But these people will not Name Covid 19 as Wuhan Virus because that Racist but surely will do to UK variant , SA variant and Now Indian Variant Even of What they call Indian Variant is Actually Double Mutant Variant

[@yuvrj6294]

Yes, but that's the reason why it needed to be change Right?.. don't you think

[@arpanabinaswar1811]

@@yuvrj6294 yes

[@fernandomarquez3131]

Well we will come to realize as a humankind that sharing is the key to the future.

[@suvineetsrivastava3011]

Et tu, Brazil?

[@priyanshrathod8842]

I understood it bro. 😂😂

[@suvineetsrivastava3011]

@@priyanshrathod8842 😄 It was shocking to see Brazil's name in the list. We helped them. Then this? ☠😆

[@MrTeton]

Brazil is evil

[@brucelee4996]

I wish I invented Lysol.... I'd be a gazillionaire.

[@briandynamite7942]

There are two solutions, A, pay for every research to every manufacturer. B have them sell the patents. That’s it

[@BIGGUNNDON]

Bruh...

[@PHlophe]

joselito, Qué triste !

[@jbondad66]

simple. we live in a world where money is more valuable than life.

[@BenHerbivore]

Kinda has to be with 8 billion shitheads. If this were a perfect world without terrible people (in all walks of life) maybe things could be different.

[@Evidently_grey]

This is the vice I want to see.

[@Fiyaaaahh]

How can these companies even get an IP for research that was co-funded by billions of state sponsorship?

[@MrCudlebuny]

You're surprised a company is a company 💀 Eventually we'll ask what the price of a life is, but we can wait a liiitle longer.

[@ayoubboufim8967]

Should I buy a small drug company stocks ?

[@The_passiveObserver]

Can't wait until a super mutated variant comes out if Africa because Mr CEO needs more sheckles.

[@chun_ting]

Released IP, so the medicine companies can rise the price of materials up high

[@melm.c.8562]

There are 5 million people in my country. My goverment got like 1.5 million of vaccines while the US started to vaccinate kids between 12 to 16. Im on my 30s and I know I wont get the vaccine like never, because this war is won by the big fish. US is selling vaccines in regular pharmacies and they are talking about shortages. In my country Rich people knows that with a quick travel to the US they could easily buy it

[@Droneacharyas]

The small mindedness of the global governance has been shocking. All it takes is one asymptomatic patient to cross borders. Knowledge is power. Rather a lack of it.

[@Daniel-gs9eh]

The vaccine patents arnt the problem if as agreed not moderna to enforce the problem is the technical knowhow to make these new type of vaccines which is unreasonable to expect them to share after they spent billions developing it over the past 10 years.

[@TopVillain]

No way they shouldn’t have to give up their IP to other manufacturers it’s not about just covid MRNA vaccines are not just about covid that technology will be used for several other viruses and diseases

[@Electric-Lady]

Conclusion?

[@astralfluxaf]

I don’t see how this is even a question GIVE THEM SAID INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

[@jeems2066]

Sounds easy to just forget about the IP, but let's say IP rights are waived, manufacturers in poorer countries don't necessarily have the raw materials or specific equipment or the training/expertise to make the same vaccine it's based on. And then you could possibly see some of these manufacturers cutting massive corners and endangering even more lives, while also making money off of that. The best would be: - for both rich and poorer countries contribute funds (poorer ones pay less) to help existing manufacturers ramp up production - have rich countries speed up vaccinations especially the US so excess stock can be redistributed to poorer countries - have poorer countries work with logistics companies and healthcare staff to ensure no delays in distribution

[@dimytrome7224]

Why last year when there was a global virus blast there was so few news about measures in India? Why this spike appeared only when vaccines where developed now?

[@aararara5001]

Measures were relaxed and people started behaving carelessly that's why we had such a huge surge, if you see before this peak india was recording 15-20k relaxed cases daily so many thought now covid won't be a big thing again as a result in general everywhere covid measures were relaxed.

[@chaitenyarathore6401]

It's biggest game and many companies been seen creating new vaccine in India there are 5 companies comes up with vaccine but only 2 got approved

[@hiibrain]

We don't need IP we know how to make the vaccine, we need materials.

[@PaperiLiidokki]

Funny how people would argue about money when they can't get money if everyone dies... But to actually answer to your video title question, because people don't care, at all, that's the reason pure and simple.

[@djctai9288]

no its because there is a limit to supply chain and there will always be scarcity, i don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Like this isn't a video game where i can just build 10 vaccine factories in a month.

[@WaveRider1989]

@@djctai9288 lol

[@bluegas]

@@djctai9288 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I’m so tired of saying the same. Or asking people if they can make 200kg of cookies with 1kg of flour.... 😅

[@PaperiLiidokki]

@@djctai9288 As far as i have heard USA has purchased enough doses to vaccinate their own population was it 2 or 3 times over, add to this the fact the anti vax is really high in USA, meaning they are very likely to have doses they don't use since they will expire. Now they could offer to donate, but yeah... because people don't care is the core reason. Your ''limits to supply chain and there will always be scarcity'' are not the reason, those would be over come if people/countries would care but they don't, there really wouldn't be availability issues for providing vaccines through out the world, WHO all ready does this with number of other vaccines as the video said.

[@JaysonT975]

THANK YOU VICE!! 🙌

[@Splexsychiick]

My entire small country could get vaccine within a week maybe 2. Just send 400,000 vaccine. Major countries probably produce that much in 2 days.

[@peterjohnstaples]

The countries without MRNA vaccines are the lucky ones.

[@MrJestervoodoo]

What's tragic, truly sorrowful is that this is a legitimate concern, one that might not get the attention it deserves

[@nicholasriley1169]

Will life be the way it used to be again before Covid? Will we get our normal lives back in 2024?

[@PaulHo]

Wow, Tahir is straight up supermodel Squidward. I mean that in the best way. 🥺

[@eb.3764]

yeah he's beautiful

[@357-swagnumultramagax9]

Tall and tan the way pearl likes them ? Remember that Episode lol?

[@computerscience2589]

Lol he is squidward

[@dannyboi7695]

If this was anywhere near as serious as governments of the world make it out to be theyd throw "IP" right out the window and just DO it and make as many as possible..but then its not that level of serious now is it..

[@berndrojahn4233]

I knew I'd find out something that will put them away in prison for life but I didn't think I'd find out they're international terrorists. The Indonesian, Australian and New Zealand Islamic community should be able to have the retribution they need.

[@erik7586]

canada cant manufacture a vaccine either 🇨🇦

[@AbhishekSingh-lb1nl]

Today, the Indian govt. said that they are expecting to make 2.10-2.30 billion vaccine from Aug-Dec.

[@thebestevertherewas]

😂 Bullshit They can't even make half of that. I'll be surprised if they can vaccinate their own population by August.

[@AbhishekSingh-lb1nl]

@@thebestevertherewas Obviously they can't vaccinate there entire population by Aug. Vaccinating 1.45 billion people is no joke and it takes time to ramp up the production as well so by August I think at max they can vaccinate 400-500 million.

[@kshitijghormade584]

@@AbhishekSingh-lb1nl Buying vaccines from other countries is the only way

[@AbhishekSingh-lb1nl]

@@kshitijghormade584 Only country from where we can buy is US. And even with US moderna isn't interested and Prizer is evil just look what they are asking from Argentina. So what we can do best is ramp up our production of Covidshield, Covaxin and Sputnik V.

[@burningflag3679]

Know what else is valuable? 3rd generation nuclear plant designs. They could help India reduce carbon emissions. But we don't want them to have those either. Society can't advance like this

[@fleshofmyflesh2791]

Everyone thinks and wants to change the world but nobody thinks and wants to change themselves

[@kevinc9065]

This sentence structure lacks clarity. Also, the statement catagorically false. I guess if the statement makes you feel better some how, great.

[@dlewis8405]

I have read about this issue a lot and this push to share vaccine related IP is the stupidest discussion out there. The IP owned by Apple is not what is standing in the way of me building an iPhone in my basement. India already has access to the know how for the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

[@YakuzaSRC]

India's Serum Institute has the technical know-how, "shared" by Astra Zeneca. So no, Serum Institute can't share the same with anyone else. Moreover, as part of the Astra Zeneca deal, the company has to allot a certain quantity for the global customers of Astra Zeneca. Serum Institute has very high production capacity but that too is very low, compared to the amount of doses of vaccines required, all over the world.

[@dlewis8405]

@@YakuzaSRC I think the iPhone analogy still holds. If it were suddenly necessary to get everyone in the world an iPhone in the next year or two it would be impossible, even if the money were there. The mRNA vaccines are hard to produce, with lots of specialized inputs, hence expensive.

[@YakuzaSRC]

@@dlewis8405 yes, the vaccine production process must be very specific, and expensive. But, I still think that once the manufacturing processes of all the Covid vaccines are made public, the easiest ones can be selected and mass produced. And though vaccine manufacturing is a very complex process, I think it is simply a biased thought that only Western countries and their trained professionals have the capacity to manufacture them. With a little support and sharing of know-how, even low income countries can be trained in the manufacturing processes.

[@YakuzaSRC]

@@dlewis8405 I work in the R&D section of a small Pharma company, but I know what I am talking about. Though manufacturing medicines is quite different from manufacturing vaccines, you will be surprised by how much such small Pharma company can achieve in terms of development of new processes

[@parakhdixit]

IP shall not be least worried. It is a gateway to efficient production and effective distribution of vaccines.

[@johnpeacock7022]

There is nothing going around that is not normally going around.

[@jasonjiang8410]

Personally I’m not convinced that waiving the patents will increase supply and access. No offense but I see this move as more of a political move. I think that licensing is more effective. The biggest challenge I see is raw materials supply. To me it doesn’t make sense when people treat waiving patents as the answer to vaccinate the world when there’s a shortage of vaccine raw materials.

[@alucard303]

I mean yeah, i wonder how nobody figured out that being a major accelarator of the pandemic and then just magically getting vaccinated within a few months isn't quite fair. But the whole "We're in a global crisis so we need to work together" really never lasts long if the first world decides they're deprived of their comfortable lives for too long. And after the rich countries are through it, i honestly highly doubt that more than a bit of oh-so-gracious drips of support packages will reach the rest of the world

[@KarthikViswanathan]

Looks like a poorly made video, what are you trying to convey through this ? Is IP the problem or raw materials ?

[@HeroOfTheDay16]

I'm confused i thought in india they dumped bodies in the river as a cultural practice even before covid? Can an indian or someone familiar with the culture clarify pls and thanks

[@simonin3d]

It's not a practice. This is also not happening everywhere. It's quite isolated.

[@AnanyaDevi12]

We cremate the bodies and release the ashes into the river

[@singharpan9859]

No it's not a cultural practice at all. If it was back in the day, it's not anymore.

[@pranjalbivare7667]

Please remember now it's not a cultural practice, people do it because they don't have money to cremate and it was always a problem because we have many poor people

[@cs-mi8ur]

A lazy and corrupt government official overlooking his responsibilities and usurping the money meant for cremation is the reason. No one throws their loved ones bodies.

[@saamnasapkota3555]

Why don't anonymous hacking group step in and share the formula for vaccine rather than sharing government propoganda?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@Daniel-gs9eh]

moderna already released the formula for their vaccine and say anyone can use while were in a global pandemic, the problem is they want moderna to share technical skills and help them set it up

[@dAoMarion]

India must FIRST waive its own Proprietary Rights on its own Vaccine COVAXIN (BBV152) which is allowed as per Indian laws on mandatory licensing.

[@pixeltoxgg.6163]

i undestand ...good thing ..but who will be the first company for selling the recipe on the vaccine ? for everyone to use ...

[@YakuzaSRC]

I don't know about the first company, but I am kinda sure of which one will be the last one- Pfizer. I don't think that they will like the idea of giving up their dream of world domination. Just in case you aren't aware, Pfizer has been demanding control over military bases (in Venezuela) to shares of national banks, in underdeveloped countries, in return for vaccines.

[@danielbhattacharjie6192]

ummm that moderna guy said that it took years of research.. wasnt last year the first year of the pandemic? hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@Rachel-gv6hw]

A free recipe with free ingredients and free technicians for 6 months… Ah well

[@Timothy-ps6pt]

Good for them

[@kevalvichare4759]

Only Dr. Raul vinci can save humanity 🙏❤😭

[@jeanes.3967]

these poeple out here really gatekeeping recipes lmao, i am about to move to a mountain and raise goats

[@blacksnowman8106]

Great Idea 😄

[@savvydavvy3463]

Let's do it!

[@daviel]

Am I right that American vaccines are funded by the govt? While you and Canada silently keeping the spare vaccines? How humane.