Why some people are done with Dave Filoni

[@casperjensen4075]

I loved the dooku episodes. They made dooku so much more interesting and made him more sympathetic.

[@gaylordcomic]

I wish we got a full series of it

[@nittojoe136]

@@gaylordcomic for real. I liked his character before, but now I'm WAY more interested

[@ryanreeves8931]

💯%.

[@ivanevseev7994]

@@nittojoe136 same

[@sirrickardjameses]

The score to the dooku episodes is amazing. I've been listening to it non stop since I watched the episodes yesterday.

[@darthkrayt4369]

The Dooku episodes don't contradict Dooku: Jedi Lost It is well established in canon that Dooku left the order well before TPM (also after sitting on the council) however the new Padawan novel states that Dooku regularly still visited the Jedi Temple - possibly to address this very question as the novel and show were probably being worked on at the same time. It is never stated in episode 4 that Dooku was still a Jedi at the time, and there are some thematic clues that lend themselves to this as well (Dooku using Sifo-Dyas's codes to erase Kamino rather than his own and him having not met Obi-Wan)

[@paqshet4648]

Maybe his visits to the temple were a disguise to meeting Palpatine since others may have sensed his presence. He was also allowed to keep his lightsaber when he left, explaining why he still has the same one.

[@thewalrus45]

@@paqshet4648 At first his visits to the Temple were just him keeping up with old friends, but once he falls in with Palpatine their basically largely spying and sabotage to advance their plan... which is what we see him doing in The Sith Lord. having someone with access to the Jedi Temple to be able to do stuff like erase Kamino from the archives greatly helped his plans. Of course Dooku's use in that capacity is lost after he kills Yaddle, he can't go back for fear of that being sensed or something but he managed to do a lot for Sidious before.

[@paqshet4648]

@@thewalrus45 Should've thought of that. Where is this information by the way? Also, he did visit coruscant during the clone wars so he could obviously cover his presence.

[@andrewbryant4259]

I mean...he has access to the archives which means he's still in the order soo....

[@thewalrus45]

@@andrewbryant4259 He used Sifo-Dyas's codes for that.

[@oscarjohnson2130]

The Dooku episodes were by far the best part of the series. I always love seeing Ahsoka but with a 6 episode series I was confused as to why they wasted half of it on a character that has most of the gaps in her story already filled in. I would've preferred 6 half-hour (normal Clone Wars episode length) episodes about Dooku's descent into the Dark Side. Maybe divide half the season into Dooku and young Qui Gon and the other half into Dooku on his own after Qui Gon is grown up. I'm still happy with what we got, I just think there was some wasted potential by devoting 3 episodes to Ahsoka

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Same.

[@joeybulford5266]

I agree. But fans love Ahsoka lol so I see why they did it.

[@blackandindahouse18]

Well i think its good how it is out wit the old in wit the new

[@randyhix634]

I think to canonize how she gets her white Kyber crystals. But it would have been nice to just have the whole book canon.

[@histguy101]

​@@randyhix634The Ashoka novel was always fully canon. It was written after the reboot in 2014

[@sawyerclarke7396]

I think some people are missing why the show exists in the first place. When it was announced, Filoni said that he had just been drawing random stories while on a plane with no plans of making them reality. It was because his coworkers wanted to make these stories that they exist

[@saberiandream316]

And he never credited the Tales of the Jedi comics, which is a REALLY shitty thing to do for a supposed "Legends fan" as he claims to be. He's every bit the Disney problem.

[@ars1602]

@@saberiandream316 lmfao okay bruh get your head out of you a**

[@SupChad735]

I also find it funny that people don’t realize that books and comics hold almost no weight to them in terms of what’s lore. They are cannon until a show or movie says otherwise. Movies and shows always have priority and that’s how it’s always been

[@spritemon98]

@@SupChad735 I don't count the sequel trilogy as canon

[@cucumberwater6]

@Chiefs Life it literally is Dave, not Disney. Stop with the bootlicking.

[@sharkei1987ify]

I have zero issues with any of these episodes. I just wish they were a bit longer, maybe 25-30 minutes. Dave Filoni has the best grasp of the SW universe, and I for one appreciate it!

[@sharkei1987ify]

@Dovyeon I disagree.

[@sharkei1987ify]

@Dovyeon all these episodes are meant to give us insight and explain how these characters developed. Everything isn't light sabre duels and space battles.

[@spritemon98]

How long are the episodes?

[@sharkei1987ify]

@@spritemon98 they're all roughly 15 minutes.

[@spritemon98]

@@sharkei1987ify yeah that's definitely short

[@mattchiles4182]

I loved the Dooku episodes. They were fantastic. I’m by no means “done with Dave Filoni.”

[@benjaminroe311ify]

Amen Brother

[@yvngsn0w]

speak for yourself, Matt.

[@Mateocabrera2389]

@@yvngsn0w nah he’s speaking for most of us :)

[@alphaxan8175]

@@yvngsn0w he’s speaking for most Star Wars fans who know good story telling “yE” 😂😂😂

[@atleastimtrying5391]

Fantastic it’s an insanely strong word Mid 5 out of 10 is way more accurate

[@Zarik15]

I love this series, Dooku’s episodes were so good and made us more sympathetic to him. Also I’m sorry but I feel like most of us had no idea most of this stuff from from books or comics, so I think that’s why most of us don’t have many negatives to point out from this. I’m not at all done with Dave, cause he’s actually fleshing out characters which honestly needed to be done more in the prequels.

[@intern4lgaming260]

Facts! And tbh those authors are just some no names taking a bite of the star wars fame. Asoka is Dave's character I mean he knows what happens right lol. Just annoying when people want everything to match a book wrote by you or me.

[@TheJorgeGuy]

@@intern4lgaming260 "no names taking a bite of the star wars fame"? What a way to treat writers who put their time and energy into writing literature for the Star Wars Universe.

[@intern4lgaming260]

@@TheJorgeGuy a writer who writes on thier own accord. Just because that doesn't mean you should treat everything they right as factual

[@martytu20]

@@TheJorgeGuy the producers can still acknowledge the writer’s work by making the novel events canon. They can contradict it if the novel itself has serious problems.

[@TheJorgeGuy]

@@intern4lgaming260 I never said their literature should be treated as canon. I was pointing out your complete disregard of the writers themselves. You should show just a bit more respect for them instead of referring to them as "no names taking a bite of the star wars fame.".

[@unknownentity8489]

Well, if we're being technical, an aspect from the Ahsoka Tano book was already retconned when Season 7 of Clone Wars came out. Her confrontation with Darth Maul played differently in Clone Wars than it did in the brief section depicted in the book. I guess Dave figured that since they already changed something, might as well go all the way with it.

[@asaknight321]

in the show he showed interest in her and wanted her to join him but in the book he mocked her and was a brute

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Yeah. That book almost feels uncanon

[@juniorsigala5028]

I feel like it was to keep things fresh, s7 was hyped up and those who read the ahsoka novel would already know what would happen in mandolore so I understand Dave retconning a lot of the seige of Mangalore to keep things fresh and hype but the rest ima be honest is kinda unnecessary

[@ic0nic707]

@@asaknight321 he?

[@asaknight321]

@@ic0nic707 maul

[@Luisn_n]

You can’t please them all. There will always be critics. But I absolutely loved tales of the Jedi. Made me sympathetic towards Dooku, he and Anakin while sworn enemies had the same realization,feelings, and frustration with the council. It’s like poetry, it rhymes

[@Triumphantinwarandpeace]

That’s because most of Star Wars fans have a ‘Hur Durr mentality’

[@alexisreyes351]

@@Triumphantinwarandpeace losers

[@electricfeverx976]

Not a really a can't please them all situation, it's more a "confusing people trying to follow chronology and character's arcs situation". While no work of fiction is perfect in its world building, this whole decanonising of the recent novels and comics really makes them feel pointless to read. Why bother learning of the harrowing origins of Kanan when an upcoming series will just retcon it out of existence. It makes the novels and comics little more than just a what-if/alt history for every character. I've read the first Thrawn Trilogy, and it felt like it added to his character, decanonise it, and I'd feel like I wasted my time learning of a character who doesn't exist in the actual story.

[@РусланКучеренко-м3б]

You point, but I personally view all Filloni related and Disney projects as non-canon materials

[@willisstillhere8846]

​@@РусланКучеренко-м3бso contrarian

[@lgmmrm]

I’m not as mad with Ahsoka’s arc being changed somewhat since that’s Filoni’s character and I think the person who creates a character should be, within reason, given a wide latitude for what that character’s story is (e.g. Timothy Zahn’s books are always going to be the key source for everything Chiss and Thrawn, and if they ever recanonize Corran Horn or Tycho Celchu they damn well better bring Stackpole on board to advise on those characters.)

[@Sheyvanrocks]

But then you simply can not have another author write a book and sell that book as a "Canon Story", when it's not. Disney try to eat their cake and have it to make more money. Sell Novels and Comics as Canon and THEN overwrite them, because "Series and films more important".

[@ChildOfTheWilderness]

@@Sheyvanrocks Lucas would have done exactly the same

[@sangokus6478]

@@ChildOfTheWilderness It doesn't make this good

[@ltb1345]

@@ChildOfTheWilderness Not really. Lucas' contributions to TCW, unlike Filoni's, usually didn't contradict the EU. For example the Mortis arc became a very important part of Legends lore.

[@CHRF-55457]

Tbf, Thrawn was kinda brought over smoothly into Canon thanks to Timothy Zahn, the creator of Thrawn himself writing Thrawn into merging with the rest of the canon nicely.

[@TheDentedHelmet]

The Dooku storyline was Amazing Dooku was absolutely Based and all the Episodes were Gorgeous.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Dooku would eventually become the head of the CIS' Based Department.

[@scyphozoa717]

Makes me wish Emperor Dooku was a thing

[@pilotox3]

Based acab moment in episode 3 lmaoo

[@airforcerules747]

Dooku was right about everything! One line he said really showed why the Jedi had to go, "We Serve the People of this Republic", something the Jedi and Especially Mace completely forgot!

[@rasul01]

Dooku proved to be an immoral hypocrite by killing Yaddle.

[@jovankandola]

George himself said that no matter what, the movies and shows have the power to retcon the games and books and that the new version seen it the movies and shows will always supersede the previous version

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Yea

[@TY-km8hj]

I respect George but dave isn't George and much of that material is superior to what is released by filoni

[@paqshet4648]

Could a movie retcon a movie though? (I really want the sequels to be removed from canon)

[@SystemZ3RO]

@@paqshet4648 The prequals retconned the the original trilogy. In RotJ, Leia mentions how she barely remembers her mother, and the only memories she has of her are sadness. But then RotS comes along and kills her at child birth instead.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

@@paqshet4648 no, it can't, sequels are permanent

[@collecter343]

To be fair towards the Ahsoka retcon, that already happened when the Siege of Mandalore was animated. Too many scenes in there that contradicted the flashbacks shown in the book.

[@SystemZ3RO]

It could be argued that since they are flashbacks from Ahsoka's point of view, that is how she remembers it. Like how in the show Maul tried to have her join him, but in the book he mocks her. So in her mind he was just being a typical Sith wannabe when in reality it was much more than that.

[@hawkeye0378]

I feel like there’s a difference between retconning a small part of it and retconning the entire thing.

[@c.i.s5429]

@@SystemZ3RO Another problem is that Ahsoka’a Lightsabers are still green in the Siege of Mandalore flashbacks, whereas in TCW S7 they’re of course blue. So there’s some pretty major details that were contradicted; as well as how they caught Maul, in the book they chased him and captured him using ray shield, like what Anakin, Obi-Wan and Palpatine got caught in in ROTS

[@MilkandYoghurt]

which just fuels the fact that Filoni isn't the messiah like some say

[@twistedbroom]

I find your lack of faith disturbing

[@Fordo007]

I remember when Pro Disney canon people said the old EU’s tiered canon was bad and Disney is making all of their comics, games, tv, and movies. Now that is clearly not the case. It’s no different. #ExpandedUniverseForever

[@saberiandream316]

Yes, why the fuck should I CARE to read the new-canon novels when what they SAID back in 2014 has proven not to be the case anymore? What we've lost (the old Expanded Universe) outweighs what we've gained, which is very little due to how derivative and creatively bankrupt everyone working for Disney Star Wars is - _including_ Filoni.

[@histguy101]

​@@saberiandream316Those canon tiers weren't just some made up rules. They were basically the natural order of maintaining a continuity across multiple media, and still exist today in practice. At the top is movie canon. Directors don't follow continuity at all and aren't made to. Legends is the new S/secondary-canon. It exists to draw ideas and characters from but doesn't count in official continuity. And all new canon novels and comics function as C-canon did. T-canon is also the same. It's Filoni canon and does whatever it wants whether it contradicts movie canon or anything else.

[@davidrussell6922]

Very much enjoyed these shows. Starting with familiar characters isn't a terrible choice for an anthology series. Hopefully season 2 and beyond will give us new characters and fresh takes on events involving Jedi in a galaxy far, far away

[@electricfeverx976]

Ahsoka, for me, felt unnecessary since she's gonna get her own live action show and has appeared more than enough times throughout so many different shows. If anything I'd prefer they did someone like Obi-Wan as a padawan or even a story about Sifo Diyas and the lead up from his removal from the council to his betrayal by the hands of Dooku.

[@neofulcrum5013]

You give the fandom an inch, they take a whole galactic sector

[@JediTev]

Thank you! And cry about it not being enough sector, as well. Or it wasn't the sector they wanted it to be.

[@slapyoulikeimconnery55]

Foreal, those people need to be visited by poppa Palps

[@arthemysia]

Star Wars "fans" are the worst out there, I swear to God. Entitled to everthing and cry about anything. And let's not forget the ruthless bullying and abuse they hurl towards actors, directors, writers that they don't like... I love Stars Wars but I hate it here lol

[@jamie.lynn004]

@burntchickennugget FOR REAL. There a legit threads of grown ass adults arguing over the stupidest, most unimportant shit ever. Like, why? Move on. Both of you just go on thinking you're right and stop bothering everyone else😭

[@falkyrie5228]

​@@jamie.lynn004 Maybe because they are passionate about Star Wars? Just a guess.

[@ivarkoedijker168]

About Obi-Wans hair: I suppose they chose to use short hair in the early episodes of the clone wars because it's far easier to animate. Longer hair flatters when you move in a certain way. With short hair you do not have that problem. Now they have the means to animate Obi-Wans longer hair properly. And I see it as a nod to the 2003 Clone Wars series.

[@t-poseraccoon230]

Yep. Filoni said that clone wars season 7 is the look he and George had imagined in 2008 for the show

[@ClaudevonRiegan_]

Guys you all take this too far. Clearly Obi wan just wanted to cut his hair for season 1 (I’m kidding if people can’t tell)

[@phillipwalling7470]

An in-universe explanation is that Obi-Wan cuts his hair from AOTC to that of the first Season of the Clone wars. And Anakin's hair is slightly longer by the time ROTS started or Season 7 of the Clone wars to be precise. So, it's safe to say that the reason why they cut Obi's hair down since Season 1 is due to limitations they had at the time, hence why the animation looks stiff.

[@fighterwolfneon]

Actually, there’s a detail in Padawan that allows for Dooku Jedi Lost and Tales of the Jedi to work. Padawan revealed that Dooku still had the right to visit the Jedi temple, and whenever he did, he’d still be referred to as Master Dooku. Jedi Lost even cemented that he’d still be viewed as a Jedi by the order and he got to keep his lightsaber. There’s no lines in Tales of the Jedi that contradict what Padawan set, plus he still needed to erase Kamino from the archives, manipulate and kill Syfo-Dias, and hear Qui Gon’s good words about Obi Wan. I won’t rule out the possibility Kiersten White did this to prevent Tales of the Jedi from potentially overwriting Jedi Lost and Master & Apprentice, but I can believe the explanation and be relieved this is the case as I do consider Dooku Jedi Lost to be a really solid audio drama.

[@generalcjg]

This is not a surprise to me and other EU fans at all, Dave Filoni has been a contradicting/retconning master since The Clone Wars 2008 days, and his transition to Disney Star Wars did not change that at all, he is still the same man that loves to do whatever he wants with complete disregard to previous SW continuity (regardless if it is EU continuity, or DSW continuity).

[@MordredSimp]

A Trait he shared with Lucas,

[@generalcjg]

@@MordredSimp Yeah Lucas did make some ideas for TCW 2008 which did make contradictions and retcons, but that only was for TCW 2008; Filoni could have just kept that in TCW 2008 and simply said it was all Lucas's doing to avoid any blame, but instead he continued to do all these contradictions and retcons in his own Disney SW TV Shows (Rebels, Bad Batch, Ahsoka, etc.), so really it seems Filoni either liked to do this since the beginning, or he learned one of Lucas's worst traits from a time that Lucas was starting to get sick of SW.

[@TK--hf6db]

Difference is Feloni had the right to before Disney during Lucasfilm. Shows and movies were established to be on a higher canon level. Now during Disney it's a problem because they promised a cohesive storyline yet Feloni is still allowed to run rampant and screw canon.

[@histguy101]

​@@TK--hf6dbNot really. All tv shows in the old continuity were on the same level as books and comics, C-canon(continuity canon). Sometime during TCW season 2, a new category was added, T-canon(Television canon). It was added specifically so TCW could do whatever it wanted. All the other TV shows like Droids, Ewoks, Clone Wars 2003-2005 were part of C-canon. TCW originally was as well.

[@TK--hf6db]

@@histguy101 My point still stands. Filoni and Lucas had authority. Doesn't matter what time it was when they took it.

[@drdoom9595]

The Dooku storyline was awesome, Ahsoka's story didn't seem that good compared to his. But really I think they needed to be longer.

[@dakotatrue12]

I think the episodes were the perfect length, plenty of time to tell an amazing story without dragging it on at all and making the audience feel bored. As much as I love The Clone Wars, Rebels, and The Bad Batch, those shows do have very boring moments.

[@jakevicknair5262]

you have clone wars for ahsoka’s character arc dooku wasnt really fleshed out like ahsoka was in it hence why i think they put more effort into dookus story in tales of the jedi.

[@octopi6462]

I always got upset when books or comics got retconned, but these episodes were so incredibly amazing that I cannot complain.

[@chewy99.]

I love the Dooku episodes more because they don’t have any contradictions.

[@octopi6462]

@FierySpirit5496 What was wrong with 6? I thought it was amazing

[@octopi6462]

@FierySpirit5496 I have read the novel, I really enjoyed it. I would have preferred that they stuck with the same story, but they didn't have enough time for that in one episode. What we got was really awesome though imo.

[@hdudhehdhd2222]

@FierySpirit5496 i mean its to be expected that a whole novel would be better than a 12 minute short. And yeah the story in that book was phenomenal imo, just beautiful, but this was great too. Like yes i get that they retconned the book but considering that its noncanon, im happy w any reference to post clone wars ahsoka anyways. And honestly if u look at the episode without comparing to the novel, as a standalone, its amazing. Just because a 250 book is better than a 12 minute short doesnt make it bad, thats just obvious

[@mariobadia4553]

I don't like Dave but only because he the Kanan novel for absolutely no good reason. And the fact that what replaced it was a completely pointless Cameo that could be taking it out of the show with absolutely no consequence.

[@princesswithinnerbeauty4407]

I loved Tales of the Jedi. It was interesting to see Ashoka’s Parents, the Tiger and See Anakin Train Ashoka for Order 66

[@bookaholichan1357]

agreed. With her training given by Anakin, there is no doubt she survived Order 66. It was a great episode for me. She is skilled and a true experienced war veteran.

[@saberiandream316]

Filoni's stolen name, you mean. Look at him. He hasn't ONCE credited the original Tales of the Jedi comics. So much for this supposed Legends "lore master" and Legends "superfan."

[@homelesscrazyman]

@@saberiandream316 Who cares?

[@Сайтамен]

1st episode made me facepalm. What kind of idiot mother will take her 1-year old child to hunt? How are you gonna shoot a rifle when her head is right under your shoulder, how do you know that she won’t cry and scare the prey, how are you gonna chase the prey? How are you gonna protect her from a predator…oh… And this child, who doesn’t understand what’s going on and thought that tiger is just playing games with mommy, who doesn’t even talk yet, who never used the Force before, somehow not only stops the tiger from eating her, not only convinces it to give her a ride, but somehow makes it to bring her to the village which it would never come close to because it knows it would be shot…She didn’t even know in which direction the village was from them! Even Ezra, who isn’t a great character, had real trouble with calming down animals or just making them feel his emotions, and he was a teenager with some basic Force training! Bravo Dave Filoni, you made Ahsoka a Mary Sue. And the weird thing - in next episode she is failing again and again! Does that mean that training makes her worse? Thank god, episodes with Dooku are good (after bad first Ahsoka episode I was worried). Really shows you where he is coming from and what is the line between him and Qui-Gon lies. I find it weird that senator decided to shoot even though his son is a hostage, but I guess Dooku told him he was not in danger and maybe he knows how many people there are…Also weird that the guards invited Jedi to see the place of murder when they were guilty…Also why didn’t Yaddle at least try to jump backwards when she was holding the door above her, she could have survived…Granted, Sidious could have force pull her forward, but it would be nice to see.

[@saberiandream316]

@@homelesscrazyman When Kennedy does it, everyone screams. When he does it, nobody talks about it. It is deliberate now, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[@paqshet4648]

One thing I initially thought could cause some problems with TPM was that Palpatine is supposed to be at Qui-Gon's funeral, but I realized he could've just gone there after this. Also, Yaddle's death must have caused some turbulence if it was discovered before the funeral, so it probably was not.

[@18Krieger]

It was strange to see that Dooku met with Palpatine. There is the possibility that he went from there to the funeral. Yaddle left the council and might not be missed for a while. I need to check Episode 1 the funeral scene because im sure that Yaddle was there.

[@chewy99.]

@@18Krieger She was not. The Dooku episodes do not have any contradictions.

[@Zombiegg101]

I imagine either Dooku or Palpatine disposed of the body, so nobody ever found out she died, just that she disappeared

[@THRSTXN]

@@Zombiegg101 dont Jedis vanish into the force?

[@Zombiegg101]

@@THRSTXN only the Jedi that complete their training to become force ghosts vanish, otherwise they leave a corpse like anyone else

[@CT3127Bumblebee]

People look for problems where there are none. The Dooku episode people are upset about takes place after the story in Dooku Jedi Lost. He's already left the Order but he's still allowed to visit the temple. That's why he had to use Sifo-Dyas's access code to the archives.

[@Greytruth2]

The way I see it, books in star wars are placeholders until the shows, films or games decide to cover it.

[@Kirious]

I personally saw nothing wrong with these episodes? They expanded character depth for both Dooku and Ashoka, and they really don’t break lore all that much. If anything all they’re doing is solidifying it. They were a really enjoyable experience to me and I personally haven’t really seen any complaints yet. You’ve gotta remember that if you focus on the few complaints there are, you’re not gonna see the vast majority of people that love it.

[@xilencered7788]

Exactly. Not everyone is going to read the books, everyone can now share these events. 👍

[@CrazyManwich]

@@xilencered7788 - I have never read the books but from a friend who has literally read every single book both pre and post Disney purchase has said there were many contradictions and said there were more subpar than great books. He does also say he loves everything Star Wars even the bad but he is extremely knowledgeable because of how much and how often he consumes the stories. The way he put it is those who are angry about changes made in the shows and movies from the books actively ignore how the books never really kept things straight to begin with.

[@xilencered7788]

@@CrazyManwich yes. Its hard to fit books inside 15 min episodes. Just shows how good Filoni is when they let him do his thing

[@thecollector4332]

How is contradicting a canon novel “solidifying canon”

[@willisstillhere8846]

​​@@thecollector4332Dooku Jedi Lost novel happens before Tale of the Jedi. Tf was contradicted? Dumb argument The only thing that night be contradictory is that Dooku is in the archives by EP 4 but nothing guarantees that he was still a jedi atp

[@silver-ly]

It was said from the author of the ahsoka book that the final episode & the book have no relations, it is a different inquisitor. Personally, I absolutely loved Tales or the Jedi, especially the expansion on Dooku

[@brycethomas4290]

Problem is the inquisitor is just one difference. Bail doesn't know ashokas alive till about a year after order66, ashoka doesn't trust bail when they do meet, ashokas stuck on a world taken over by the imperials and trying to prevent a mini rebellion. There's just to many differences to say both the book and the episode are canon

[@DarksideGmss0513]

They said it's supposed to be the Sixth brother. He looked so badass

[@hdudhehdhd2222]

@@DarksideGmss0513 yea that design was absolute peak

[@mariobadia4553]

@@brycethomas4290 yeah plus the book has way better writing.

[@kharilane1340]

@@brycethomas4290 Books are their own canon. Only the visual media is considered full canon.

[@ursatzotschew7541]

I thought the Dooku episodes were awesome! They really showed why he felt disillousioned with the Republic & the Jedi, and it also showed that he would always try to set a good example for Qui-Gon. Ahsoka kinda fell short for me just because, like you said, they didn't really take advantage of this oppertunity to tell more interesting stories and Ahsoka's episodes were just meh. I didn't really like the last episode just because I thought maybe they'd have a big fight with the Inquisitor and I thought we'd see Ahsoka fasion her white sabers from the Inquisitors double bladed saber.

[@mon-taffitan]

I wanted her to light up white sabres at the end so badly. Super disappointed that we didn’t get a better version of her story.

[@veryfitting]

I think that's literally the only valid criticism, we didn't see her bleed the crystals. That's it there's literally nothing else wrong with the entire sequence of events to me.

[@bobegnops5601]

@@veryfitting Heal the crystals, not bleed

[@carlos00700]

I mean the story is she spent so many years in the background before the rebellion fighting and she was only really shown long before as Luke started being a grandmaster. Shows the scope of how far she has come

[@Caliif]

The problem with Ahsokas part is that while the first episode is nice it's also unecessary and the fight with the inquisitor was lame, I know what tvey were trying to do but in the end they just wasted a cool (but really edgy) design on a guy that doesn't even has 3 minutes screen time

[@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment]

Filoni has a bee in his bonnet about being basically the only person to write Ahsoka. Likely he used it as an opportunity to write out the stuff from the books he wanted to change. Honestly letting go of an idea of "canon" and letting storytellers tell the stories they want is probably good for everyone.

[@electricfeverx976]

That's not really how you build an interconnected universe. If this was Warhammer 40k then sure, but this is Star Wars, a universe with an established chronology and set events. The specifics not being the same is fine, but whole events that were recent, being retconned by the latest upcoming show just make this whole universe feel incohesive.

[@greenlantern3121]

That Inquisitor was the most intimidating, captivating one yet, and the fight really undercut how impressive he came off with such a quick copout ending.

[@drasilisk2895]

It wasn't a cop-out ending. Inquisitors are incredibly weak, with only the Grand Inquisitor being even worth mentioning in terms of skill. They wouldn't stand a chance against any decent force user, nevermind one of Ahsoka's caliber. You can like the guy's design but he was still just an Inquisitor.

[@greenlantern3121]

@@drasilisk2895 The Inquisitors are as strong as the story needs them to be. All they have to do is not be able to match actual Sith. Ahsoka faced multiple Inquisitors and had to actually duel them, even if she outclassed them. This fight was just anti-climatic, and the rest of the episode wasn't so good you can just overlook that.

[@drasilisk2895]

@@greenlantern3121 Ahsoka faced multiple Inquisitors and won without struggling in any way. In a single encounter with an Inquisitor, both here and in her novel, she wins without even needing a lightsaber. Anytime an Inquistor is against anyone above the level of a Padawan/weaker Knight they get destroyed. The Grand Inquisitor is the strongest and he's only on Kanan's level, who's an average Knight at best.

[@greenlantern3121]

@@drasilisk2895 But there was still a fight. Even if she wins handily, there is a fight. I thought the novel was mostly just average. The episode had the chance to really stun us with something that transcends the book that inspired it but it didn't. And that its put at the very end of the season makes it extra underwhelming.

[@Yeahimman32]

@@drasilisk2895 even if he's weak, he fights like he's never used a lightsaber before this character is such a waste

[@jirdan4870]

Honestly my issue with Dave Filoni is that he has his characters that he likes and just pushes them into everything and making the universe somehow much smaller as all characters meet each other.

[@mariobadia4553]

And that he doesn't have the balls to kill off his favorite OC. He had the perfect opportunity to kill her off in Star Wars Rebels but created time travel as an excuse for her still being alive

[@jshooper7819]

That's called character development. All of Filoni's characters have fully fleshed out back stories and character arcs. How they meet makes sense.

[@suki-artsanimations807]

Getting rid of characters from the story is actually harder then it looks especially star wars. Unfinished plans,the story may get worse without interesting characters,etc Someone like mandolorin might be possible to get killed at the end of his show though ahsoka since she was shown to survive from clone wars to rise of skywalker it's impossible to kill off without retcon.

[@nathang6376]

@@mariobadia4553 - Why are we looking for opportunities to “kill someone off” when they have much more to learn and to teach? Ahsoka + Malachor V = limitless possibilities. If any character could lead fans through its bowels, it is she. It’s an injustice to her character to have her slain at the threshold of such potential.

[@crimsondawn8096]

@@mariobadia4553 the time travel wasn't there to revive Ahsoka, Dave could've written it to where Ahsoka simply escapes Vader. The world between worlds was there to one, world build and two, challenge Ezras discipline by not having him revive Kanan

[@MadameRouxez]

I feel like the Ahsoka retcon was made almost solely for the visual audience who didn't understand why Ahsoka had white sabers

[@manofmercy1500]

To be fair we didn't get a scene of her purifying the bleeding kyber crystals in this ep, so either there's going to be an expanded scene down the line or it's just going to be ignored with little explanation. Personally, if the scene does end up getting expanded, I can somewhat see it being similar to how Vader blead the one crystal he claimed from his first post-Mustafar Jedi kill in the Marvel "Darth Vader" comics, but the opposite alignment (the crystals trying to corrupt Ahsoka but ultimately fail & end up purified, turning into the clear white crystals).

[@CallumDT]

She bleeds the inquisitors lightsabres. And we can't determine the exact time she duels this inquisitor. Not long after order 66 supposedly. Or it could be some years Don't understand your point

[@garbotoxins840]

We don't see or even have that in the short at all though.

[@kharilane1340]

@@CallumDT She doesn't bleed the crystals, she cleanses them. Bleed equals Dark-side, cleanse equals Light-side.

[@CallumDT]

@@kharilane1340 yes thats what i meant the oppersite of bleeding them

[@starwarsunlimiteduniverse]

*I do believe that there is a section of the star wars community that wants the lore & books to be given equal footing within the realm of "canon". Probably won't ever happen. But, I can understand why some fans continue to be upset that they change various things. But, also, for myself. I just personally believe that we can still enjoy content from this universe whether it's connected in the smallest of ways between the LEGENDS & comics material & live-action & animated series. Like I always say, the entire star wars universe isn't for everyone. But, everyone can find something that stands out to them the most & enjoy that content within the universe.*

[@kharilane1340]

Well said. A lot of hardcore fans, including myself at times, should really take this to heart. It's all true...from a certain point of view.

[@saberiandream316]

Except they don't continue Legends.

[@ltrain7715]

Dave Filoni could make a show that would completely fuck up Star Wars and I would still respect him because he almost single handily saved Star Wars around the sequel trilogy era

[@nickmarr1074]

We're already getting a live action Ahsoka story soon. They could have used these three or so episodes that Ahsoka was pushed into, instead we could have got something about Kanan as a padawan or Quinlan Vos. Dave loves Ahsoka I get it, but there wasn't anything new with her and retconned an arguably great story about her already. Loved the Dooku episodes though

[@spongemaster]

Yeah the Ahsoka episodes felt kind of unnecessary compared to the Dooku episodes. If they wanted to focus on a female Jedi then why not Yaddle? She was already in one of Dooku's episodes and it would give Bryce Dallas Howard more time to shine in the role, as well as the opportunity to flesh out what is essentially just a background character in TPM.

[@dakotatrue12]

As much as I like Dave, he really does focus on Ahsoka a little too much. I get he created her and all, but there is endless potential with the other hundreds of jedi he could've used.

[@Blue5Standingby]

Dooku Jedi lost isn’t contradicted in tales of the Jedi. At the end of Jedi lost Dooku leves the Jedi order and is allowed to keep his lightsaber. People who aren’t Jedi are allowed to be in the temple. And he was still respected by the Jedi up until attack of the clones. Every thing fits.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Dooku was on the Council in the book, but not in the show

[@Blue5Standingby]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о it’s been a while since I listened to it. Was he on the council when he left the order? And if so the Windu team up just happens before he’s on the council.

[@spacecowboy3569]

@@Blue5Standingby He was in the council when he left, it doesn't contradict anything but it's just weird Windu now wasn't mentioned at all in JL

[@Blue5Standingby]

@@spacecowboy3569 ok personally I don’t think it’s any weirder than Qui-gon not being mentioned in the OT or Ahsoka not being mentioned in III.

[@spacecowboy3569]

@@Blue5Standingby Yeah stuff like that happens

[@jovankandola]

George himself stat that if the movies or shows want to contradicted something from the books, the movies and shows always have a right to and the new version will always be the canon one

[@looming416]

I mean that’s fine but if your going to do that at least make it better not a less complex predictable basic Version. I can’t speak for the Ahsoka book but the dooku story hasn’t been contradicted or retconed it both of the stories line up.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

George sold the franchise, you can't invoke his name to defend something from Disney era Lucasfilm

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

@@looming416 Dave is incapable of not dumbing down concepts because he's not that good of a writer, but also Ahsoka's short was only 14 minutes

[@arctic_haze]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Even when he praises Filoni, his own padawan?

[@Fordo007]

Except George has no say and Disney said EVERYTHING they did was equally canon. It’s clear that was a lie.

[@UndeadNorseman]

These are "tales" of the jedi. So regarding head cannon these could just be legends that people tell about these characters rather than hard canon. Star wars has so many stories and such a rich universe that you can take what you like and leave behind what you don't.

[@cloudmaster182]

Sure, but who would tell the story of Yaddle's death? No one was there who could be telling the story

[@Cloningmaster55]

​​@@cloudmaster182 only 2 possible answers for that Dooku or Palpatine I'd say Palpatine would want to make a Log of sorts describing and mocking the most prominent Jedi in his own twisted way so I'd say it be Dooku telling the story who may or may not still hold a lot of Respect for some of the Jedi even though he has come to hate them so in a way that isn't totally twisted into something else because of the Jedi being blind to certain things and being under the Control of Politics and basing the views listed off of that

[@saberiandream316]

These are not Legends stories. Yaddle died a different death in Legends. You're helping to contribute to the total erasure of canon and continuity.

[@colprom]

@@saberiandream316 I cant wait till people bury legends honestly most of it was sog shit, with a few great diamonds in the rough. Throw it away with the Sequel trilogy and we will be on a good track.

[@saberiandream316]

@@colprom They are never retconning the sequels, you idiot, lol. Filoni helped develop them, he loves Last Jedi, he speaks well about both Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. And it's ironic you bash on Legends when Luke's New Jedi Order didn't collapse in flames and failure like the sequels. Keep on being ignorant, pal. People like you are EXACTLY why the Star Wars fandom gets such a negative reputation.

[@evilemperordude]

I only just found out that the Lucasfilm Story Group was disbanded a few years ago. When they killed the EU, they claimed it was partly so they could create a more cohesive continuity, but I guess now it’s just a free-for-all.

[@trashbinge]

“Why retcon Ahsoka” Because it’s Dave’s character and he can do whatever he wants with her, if he disagrees with other authors interpretations it’s totally within his right to tell his story of his character

[@iycephoenixx4249]

Never read the novels, so coming from pure visual media, I thought these short episodes were great. Made me feel all sorts of emotions, and I loved Master Dooku and the CT's new shoulder pads the most 😁😆

[@da_pawz]

Same, I never read the novel... Only know some of them a little bit from Wookieepedia or synopsis so I really can say that I enjoy Tales of the jedi.

[@Jirwemthegreat]

I said it before when they involved the Bad Batch with Kanan’s Order 66 backstory and the Clone Wars finale: They’re his characters, he can do what he wants with them. Hoping for a season 2 of this. There’s a lot of potential for this format without treading old ground like they did with season 1.

[@dakotatrue12]

Dave Filoni is simply one part of the creative teams behind Star Wars. Simply because he created the characters does not mean they should throw out previously established canon material just for his "fresh take". And if they really feel the need to, then why sell that novel as canon in the first place? They said in 2014 that they would have a unified canon, where everything fit together. That's obviously not the case. And I'm a fan of Filoni. This isnt just an issue with him necessarily, its Lucasfilm right now as a whole.

[@bobaoriley1912]

I don’t know much about the comics other than what I watch on Eckharts. Some of the stuff like further showing Dokou’s descent was cool. I know about the inquisitor and that’s how she got her white sabers, but I guess it was cool for Organa and Ashoka to meet up.

[@SeparatistOfLight]

If Dave makes more animated shows, I’m sure they’ll be great! Live action tho? Eh… could do without

[@McDonald_Mando]

I just didn’t think Ahsoka needed half of the show, especially since she’s getting her own show. And then one of her episodes is just her getting born and the climax of the episode is her being discovered as a jedi, which is obviously not surprising

[@AlyssMa7rin]

Honestly. I'm just tired of Ahsoka being in everything, while characters like Luke, Dooku, Leia, Han, Mon Mothma, and Cara Dune get thrown to the wayside most of the time (though it was good of Andor to give Mon some spotlight)

[@jorgebaqs7370]

All these episodes were amazing, ppl love to cry.

[@joshuaaguilera6864]

I had no complaints on these episodes. They were executed perfectly ngl

[@atleastimtrying5391]

If you two thought episode one was good y’all have the mentality of five year olds That was garbage made for absolutely only for children

[@joshuaaguilera6864]

@@atleastimtrying5391 I mean it wasn’t action packed but I liked it because it showed her origin story a bit. The first Ashoka episode was probably my least favorite out of the 6, but the show as a whole was still good though.

[@atleastimtrying5391]

@@joshuaaguilera6864 my first comment still stands. The first episode was absolutely content for five year olds and below To enjoy that as adult means you have developmental issues

[@RubenMakaya]

@@atleastimtrying5391 They'll just eat everything Filoni feeds them on a plate and immediately call it "perfect", lmao.

[@HIMcules2112]

This, especially the Dooku episodes, were some of the best Star Wars we've ever had. Solid af

[@AminalCreacher]

i liked the dooku stuff, i just wish there had been more time to expand on it

[@KingMeneldil]

This video age really well.

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

they could’ve focused on any other jedi but ofc it has to have ahsoka

[@RyanConIon]

Dooku Jedi Lost is mostly told through journal that Ventress finds so it can be seen that Dooku wrote certain details out, since he wanted Ventress to find it he could’ve done that to manipulate her

[@exiledknight3961]

My only real issue is that in the Dooku and Mace episode, their age gap isnt depicted correctly. Dooku was roughly 30 years older then Mace. But in the episode they appear much closer in age.

[@marcel5478]

Are you saying Count Dooku looks too young or Mace Windu looks too old? Just curious

[@exiledknight3961]

@@marcel5478 Dooku should look a lot older

[@KupiecKorzenny_EmhyrVarEmreis]

So Dooku was older than his master?

[@consistentcanadian8361]

@@KupiecKorzenny_EmhyrVarEmreis Dooku was trained by Yoda, not Mace Windu.

[@KupiecKorzenny_EmhyrVarEmreis]

@@consistentcanadian8361 wait what?

[@datguy3581]

I think shows should be able to retcon books. That being said, this doesn't contradict the Padawan novel. And I think Filoni is free to do what he wants with Ahsoka since she is basically his character.

[@bmaster5324]

exactly

[@0Stalk0]

Ahsoka doesn't mean shit if he's just gonna constantly retcon some OTHER story that doesn't even involve her.

[@christopherwilliams7845]

If that's the case then why waste time and money publishing a book that features Ahsoka if Dave is just going to completely disregard it and the hundreds of thousands of people who bought the book? Why should I ever buy any Star Wars literature that features Ahsoka when Dave can just wipe it away and do whatever he wants? This is a stupid argument, either establish that the books don't matter or pay attention to lore.

[@dookula]

@@christopherwilliams7845 Well said, Christopher. This kind of thing is telling folks to just watch the TV shows and movies and ignore everything else

[@crimsondawn8096]

Lucasfilm will retcon a book if it's about an important enough character and a story worth telling on screen. It's simple and logical

[@ashbjornssonfilm]

I would love to see a few episodes that go into the 10 years between episode 1 and 2 and what Anakin and Obi Wan were doing

[@walkingcubkid]

Idk why this is a surprise to anyone, Dave filoni has been contradicting existing stories way before Disney bought Star Wars and made the legends continuity non canon….

[@LoopCycles]

Haven’t heard any complaints except from you lol

[@saberiandream316]

Well, we need more complaints. Filoni is in such an unusually privileged position, I think it's getting dangerous to intellectual truth - like how he lied about what "canon" is back in 2014 if he's doing shit like this STILL.

[@kaltenbrunn]

These shows are awesome. Tales Of The Jedi and Andor are doing great. Keep up the good work.

[@yaboyben]

The writing of Mando Season 2 and Book of Boba Fett felt so poor when looking back. I'm not sure if Dave Filoni is responsible but those two and the Bad Batch were just cameo after cameo after cameo. Which is sad because Mando Season 1 was pretty original for the most part. It makes the whole star wars galaxy feel like a small village where everyone bumps into each other

[@atleastimtrying5391]

I think giving this much large scale story writing power to one single person is a little much

[@frogfarmer3551]

I despise how central Ashoka became to everything. I want to be excited for her series but A.disney has had so many misses lately and B. Ashoka can't interact with too many pre existing plots without retconning them. I really hope they have her go on some unique adventures that add to star wars lore instead of changing it

[@alpinevicemotorsports1805]

I’m confused, the stuff with Ahsoka, what preexisting content does it contradict?

[@emirhanproduction8516]

Book

[@ltb1345]

More people are finally noticing that Dave Filoni massively contradicts other established media in all of his shows. Legends fans were pointing that out back when The Clone Wars came out; he's never cared about other writers' work.

[@DawidKov]

EU was always secondary to Lucas' works, and The Clone Wars, while directed by Filoni, was co-written by Lucas - nearly all the scripts were run by Lucas before going into production. Lucas never hid the fact that for him, EU was no more than a pool of ideas, but happening separately from his own works. Filoni without Lucas, however, is nothing but a mediocre writer hardly capable of producing a worthy story.

[@leonbozzini6551]

As a big critic of Disney Star Wars, Tales of the Jedi was amazing. It put interesting spins on both Ahsoka and Dooku. Everything Dave Filoni has done and continues to do in Star Wars has meaning, direction, emotional impact, added value for the lore. Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian, The Best Episode in the Book of Boba...I'm certainly not "done" with him

[@brianalambert1192]

I'm not going to go too much into this; I was angry with the last episode of Ahsoka facing the Inquisitor because it not only effectively replaced the novel, but it did so in a way that took all the emotional weight that novel's story gave us and abandoned it. Watching this, I don't know what emotional change Ahsoka went through. She seems like she's only doing this because it's the right thing to do, which she would have done at any other important time in her life. Nothing about this episode tells me why she decided to rejoin the fight and that's what I'm coming to realize was the highlight of the Ahsoka novel

[@nerdtalk1789]

Me: reads title Me: lies, deception

[@TheChosen2030]

Seen enough of ahsoka. I know she is feloni favourite character. But she is getting her own freaking show. I mean come on

[@edwardcui7535]

i'm done with Dave Filoni. Done doubting him that is, the episodes were great, loved the depth given to dooku, idc about the minor changes because little details don't matter as long as you stay true to the characters, which the show did. as for wanting for the show to tread new ground, that's all the more reason to hope for more seasons of this great content. If we want to see more new content, we shouldn't bash the show, we have to show our support for it

[@damandarin5415]

Book of Boba Fett was an atrocity and so was bad batch

[@DoomAtDusk]

I really liked this short series. I hope more episodes come out.

[@saberiandream316]

Just what we need - more Filoni worship at the expense of Legends, sigh...

[@colprom]

@@saberiandream316 People like you pretend that all Legends was amazing writing and the pinnacle of star wars, the truth is that there were Diamonds in the Legends shit pile and that most of it was legitimately bad.

[@saberiandream316]

@@colprom Saying most of the books YOU haven't read is shit, lol, as if Legends fans haven't had to endure _that_ before!

[@colprom]

@@saberiandream316 I dont use this word lightly mate, but you and all people who are super toxic about this are 100% *Cringe*.

[@Harpie.]

I haven't read the Dooku books so I know little about him and I enjoyed his episodes the most. I'm annoyed with the retcon to Ahsoka's book, because it feels like there was no point in reading it when I thought it would be canon. They pull elements of it but that's it and they don't really explain how she gets her lightsabers still.

[@jamessnow226]

Agree. They would have been better off just copying her novel story, though I understand that would be hard in 20 minutes. Regardless, her fight with the unnamed inquisotor was lackluster in TotJ.

[@StarWarsHour]

No. It’s not really retconed. It’s just a similar event in tandem of the ahsoka novel.

[@freepoco2]

Dave Filoni just kind of does whatever he wants with prequel characters to tell cliche stories with established characters to serve as “development”

[@Cheddarbob1017]

These probably the same ppl that hated the prequels lol

[@KarazolaX]

So, most of the people who watched the prequels?

[@ovni2295]

A living story breathes and changes with each retelling. Look at the Iliad. The Odyssey. The size of the fish I caught last week. All wonderful stories, and all told differently every single time. Do you want Star Wars to be something stagnant and stale, told by a single mouth and then forgotten forever? No! It must be shared by many, and each will inevitably tell it a different way. That's just how storytelling works.

[@milesmorales-intothespider9861]

I personally disregarded the retcons, heck I didn’t even know that there were retcons. I enjoyed the whole series. Especially the Dooku episodes, those were amazing!

[@ZoomReverseFlash]

"A retcon that teases, in a way, the original material" has been Filoni's MO from the start. His retcons just happened to win over Lucas since they were both visual artists (although a bunch of retcons Filoni attributed to George himself in the interviews turned out to be his own creations, contradicted by George's own words)

[@brutalskiller6662]

Dave Filoni: allow me to introduce the coolest looking inquisitor yet Also Filoni: Well, anyways let's kill him in 6 minutes.

[@levimixon8954]

You know it's good storytelling when they call out the good guys and show how misguided the jedi council had become.

[@KeybladeWielderXV]

I'm grateful for what Filoni and his team were able to produce under George Lucas, but in recent years, his work under Disney has rarely been as ambitious as the Clone Wars got around its 3rd season. He too often settles for the "that'll do" approach. Perhaps this is due to the fact he's having to juggle so many projects at once, but overall his work under Disney has mostly been medicore with the occassional great Episode sparsely thrown in now and then. To his credit, I particulary enjoyed the Dooku episodes in tales the most, especially the 3rd one. That said... they weren't exactly ambitious. The Ahsoka episodes on the other hand were entirely unneccessary and did little to build on her character. Moreover, the final Episode did even more damage to the reputation of the Inquisitors. I get that she would have won due to training under Vader, but still... That easily? Come on... They really banked on that "YUS QUEEN" moment and it fell utterly flat for me. What does she achieve in a duel against an equal, only to kill them within 6 seconds? It would have been far more rewarding had the Inquisitor at least put up a fight, with Ahsoka being genuinely challenged. Her victory would have felt much more earned, as she used Anakins teachings to eventually best the Inquisitor. What frustrates me the most here is that much like the First Order and the Knights of Ren, the Inquistors potential for being a genuine threat and a worthy adversary is utterly squandered. The idea behind the Empire having Jedi hunters, skilled in the art of Lightsaber combat and trained to use the Dark Side of the force under Darth Vader is fantastic! But in everything that Filoni has worked on, the Inquisitors have been utterly useless. They've gone from being inept Jedi hunters who couldn't kill some untrained Youngling and a half trained Padawan learner, to just being insta killed. Respawn handled the Inquisitors with so much more care and respect in Fallen Order, yet it was limited to just two of them. The rest in both Rebels and Kenobi were absolutely worthless beyond being edgy, only to do nothing or fail miserably.

[@hoemie2587]

Why would Ahsoka struggle with inquisitors tho? Grand Inquisitor would make sense but the rest??? Vader poorly trained them all and used them to track down jedi. If they were weak insignificant ones cool they could handle them but when they couldn’t? Vader would use them to find them and step in. So they served their purpose they were never supposed to be a threat to a skilled Jedi. Ahsoka was literally trained for war of course inquisitors wouldn’t be able to put up a fight. Anakins training was far more brutal than any other Padawan at the time. I’ll give you that the inquisitors shouldn’t be struggling with Kanan and Ezra tho but there’s no way they give Ahsoka a hard time. Combat wise she was in a different league. Also your saying respawn gave the inquisitors more respect but not really. Cal was way younger than Ahsoka at the time he was around 13 during order 66 and Ahsoka was around 17 during that time. So of course he would struggle with the inquisitors lol also that was only in the first game where he struggles because he didn’t have training. After getting better training from Cordova and Cere and he fights the 9th sister again she ends up getting wrecked lmao that fight was a joke compared to her boss fight on Kashyyyk. Edit: also I’d like to add that I’m not a feloni meat rider tho my issues with him have more to do with how a lot of his work just never has any great writing. I have no issue with the direction his stories go but a lot of issues with how weak the dialogue is. Like Andor something he didn’t really have that much of an influence had phenomenal writing. There were so many powerful and memorable lines.

[@josephshen-xu9198]

L take. It does tread new ground with dooku. These short few episodes gives a much more human side to dooku, and are some of the best star wars I have seen in recent years. You can feel the darkness enveloping around him more and more its amazing.

[@braedynhoward3644]

As someone who doesn't read much modern fiction or comics, I really don't care about ret conning. I love Filonie's projects more than a lot of other Disney Star Wars projects because he actially cares about Geoge Lucas' characters and developes them well. I have no problem with Tales of the Jedi, in fact I liked them.

[@alexbrannon]

My only issue with the Tales series was the death of Yaddle. Her death in legends was a much more worthy sacrifice and I think a different Jedi could have been selected to get an after-thought unarmed slash kill from Dooku.

[@Aon_Duine]

Legends is not canon and it never was canon

[@josephbanet5410]

None of the Dooku eps contradict any of Jedi Lost. The only thing it contradicts is Dooku's clothing, at the time nothing more.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

It contradicts that Dooku was part of the Council

[@josephbanet5410]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о I remember him being offered a seat on the Council in the book but he turned it down because he thought he could serve the Jedi better out in the field as a peacekeeper. I've seen people saying that the new novel Padawan states he was on the Council and if that's the case the Padawan novel contradicted Jedi Lost.

[@smithsmithy7652]

I truly enjoyed the show. I've read the asoka novel and this is a little short when it comes to asokas encounter with the inquisitor. But I'm more interested in who that was and how he knew asoka in the first place and was surprised to see her again. Like they were friends before order 66

[@axtothemax38]

I hold the Ahsoka Novel in high regard being my favorite book probably ever and I am a little frustrated with how the show kinda sped through everything that made the book special. It took a while for Ahsoka to join the Rebellion and the show took maybe a day or so. I do like the episode though and I like the different view point

[@ncard00]

But the show takes those book and game stories, and present them to a much wider audience, the ones who aren’t gamers and/or book readers, just like TLOU now does from game to HBO show.

[@NeurAd2531]

The only thing I can't stand about dave filoni is the constant retconning. Makes the comics and books almost useless which sucks because that's one of my favorite forms of star wars media only for it to not matter when Dave comes around

[@williamlowe6703]

I like the series so far. Explores more story line for characters. There is so much they could explain about them that movies, shows and books covered very little of. Hope they have several seasons of the show.

[@TehElimanator]

One problem I had with Tales of the Jedi (it is a stupid problem but still) was it screwed up obi wan's hair chronology. So in the clone wars movie obi wan has short hair like he does in the rest of the clone wars show. And then in the 5 episode (I think it is episode 5) we see obi wan with a mullet. But this is after the clone wars movie because Ahsoka is Anakin's Padawan already. So did obi wan have short hair for a bit, then grow it out, then shorten it again. I guess so. But yeah it's a small thing that confused me and kinda broke the obi wan hair chronology.

[@jaffusmaximus]

Maybe obi wan is always wearing a wig, especially considering that one episode in the clone wars where he had to go bald to impersonate a bounty hunter

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

That was unexpected XD

[@KupiecKorzenny_EmhyrVarEmreis]

Or maybe Jedi can grow hair faster?

[@t-poseraccoon230]

Obi-Wan's hair ist the original look George and Filoni wanted for our beloved Jedi but the animation was too difficult back then in 2008. Just like Ahsoka and Anakin also look a bit different in TOTJ. It's a node to their original concept art which I absolutely love.

[@saberiandream316]

I'm more upset about Filoni pretending the name belongs to him not long after Tom Veitch died.

[@cmg799]

Thank you! Finally someone is talking about it. Isn’t that what the story group is for? To ensure continuity? What exactly I’d there function now? Not saying that I’m done with Filoni by any stretch because he just great work for the fandom, but I don’t understand why continuity can’t be kept even within stories since the Disney purchase…it’s not even like they’re just ignoring legends. As you said, these are recent stories being retconned. Take for example Rogue One & Andor….”I’ve been in this fight since I was 6 years old” was a major point in that movie & with the Andor show that just isn’t the truth by any stretch….honestly it’s just insulting to the people who created those stories that now just don’t matter.

[@kharilane1340]

I believe They showed Cassian on his home planet being taken by the Empire. That's why Cassian says he's been in it since he was six.

[@saberiandream316]

The problem is Filoni himself parroted the story group's talking points in one of the new EU novels, A New Dawn, eight years ago. And yet the clapping seals forget that he ever lied or don't know it because they don't read the books.

[@kharilane1340]

@@saberiandream316 OK so Dave is human. He's also the best human making Star Wars content right now. I can live with a few retcons to get the awesome content he regularly puts out.

[@cmg799]

@@kharilane1340 he was taken by smugglers

[@kharilane1340]

@@cmg799 Yes I was wrong about that but Cassian was a child soldier for the Seperatist during the Clone Wars. Since the Republic became the Empire, Cassian is right when he says he's been fighting "them" since he was six. What he said is true...from a certain point of view.

[@aiazic.]

The Dooku episodes were great

[@5aitama638]

I don’t understand how people always find a way to complain, like sorry if it ruins continuity but movies and shows just should come first they DID come first originally and that shouldn’t change now. I hate how people always find ways to complain these days, can’t they just be happy we’re getting more content and really high quality clone wars animation content at that, it really ain’t that deep :/

[@josiahrhoades5286]

I, for one, need MORE Dave Filoni. Dave gets it 🔥

[@americantrash593]

We should've got more of Qui Gon, Dooku, and more of things that happened before the clone wars.

[@declanm2783]

No matter how much you pride yourself of your knowledge of this universe. Filoni is an extension of George Lucas. A rough start could be due to a newer writer given a chance or a Disney Exec meddling where they shouldn’t. Think of the the potential, as they refine and refine by the season. We can see more of Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Mace Windu, Shaak Ti, they can even be so bold and show us a Old Republic Era Jedi . Just remember where this could go.

[@MrJonathanSmith]

Before Disney I couldn’t stand Filoni for seeming to ignore a lot of already established expanded universe, but after Disney he doesn’t seem as bad because he at least seemed to actually be a Star Wars fan unlike a lot of people who did the Disney stuff that appeared to know nothing about Star Wars

[@saberiandream316]

No fan disregards lore as casually as he does.

[@justinanderson2631]

Hot take: I actually respect the vision of Dave Filloni moreso than any other Star wars director. Yes. Including George Lucas himself. Thats not to say George Lucas wasn't a visionary for giving us this entire franchise..but even he had to sweep some things under the rug like Jar Jar Binks, Star wars holiday special, and the special editions which were quote on quote "Made in his true vision." Dave Filloni brought new life to the prequels which were once universally hated by the entire fandom, much like Ahsoka herself in her early years. But Dave Filloni intentionally made faults for his characters to overcome to be the universally beloved characters they are now. As well as making Order 66 become the most tragic event in Star wars it is today. Star wars the clone wars was an absolute masterpiece on par with The Empire strikes back. Maybe Dave Filloni will make a few mistakes, but I believe a loyal fan would remain by his side just as they would have with George Lucas. If there's one man who can redeem the sequel trilogy..it's Dave Filloni.

[@badbatchandcrosshairfan9904]

I remember really loving Ahsoka’s novel. I hope some of it is still canon, like the white lightsabers.

[@CordWolf]

she has the pair of white lightsabers in the Mandalorian series, so no worries, they're cannon ;)

[@Rocket1377]

She has her white lightsabers in both Rebels and The Mandalorian. You really should check those shows out if you are an Ahsoka fan.

[@badbatchandcrosshairfan9904]

@@Rocket1377 Oh no I meant I hope the rest of the book is canon-I've seen the white sabers in rebels and mandalorian. All star wars fan here.

[@bigcgaming9042]

I have to start reading Ahsoka’s novel

[@nightwish1453]

@@badbatchandcrosshairfan9904 the ahsoka novel for a while now has had conflicting info from the shows (cw and this), it's like comparing sonic colours on ds vs the console version where it has similar beats but with slight changes. I was a bit suprised the final episode didn't have ahsoka construct the white lightsabers because it was how it was portrayed in the novel by beating an inquistor and taking their lightsaber and made it her own and making it white which in the episode she used it technically but the next scene the saber is not present but never confirms she decided to throw it away so it's left vaugue

[@nialltomy15]

Here is a hard to swallow pill for Star Wars fans. No one gives too shits about the books or comics. The number of people who read them is nothing compared to the people who watch the films and TV shows. Future Star Wars content should not have to tip toe around books or comics for fear of upsetting the approx 7 people who have read them.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Then why there was so much backlash when Legends was declared non-canon?

[@gator7082]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о I like legends, but it was never actaully canon was it?

[@saberiandream316]

@@gator7082 The metric is that it was "never canon to George," yet the irony is during the entire time he held reign over the company, it continued, but the second he leaves, it's thrown out and left to the side despite fans begging to continue it daily for going on eight years now. Makes Disney look worse than George, tbh.

[@andrewdau1299]

The funny thing is this is the same criticism could be said of Filoni back before Disney bought Star Wars and he was doing the Clone Wars show which changed a lot of the canon of the Clone Wars compared to the entire Clone Wars multi-media project.

[@Eeep_Z1]

Missed opportunity to see Jango Fett in clone wars animation style

[@mewtwo.150]

I was mad because all the continuity errors Even, if you look 2003 Clone Wars and compare it with 2008 The Clones Wars You see that 2003 fits so well with the movies 2008 contradicts a lot of stuff and Filoni does it again with Tales of the Jedi, and I don't see why, was it necessary to contradict them in the first place? That's my issue with him And after seeing Andor, and watching The Clone Wars again, now I find them cheesy and childish Would love to see The Clone Wars with Andor maturity and writing