Why South Korea is Literally Going Extinct

[@ChineseKiwi]

It's quite amazing how they were able to fit two dystopias in one peninsula.

[@gracequach6769]

The Arabian peninsula has at least three 😩

[@lucifugerofocale5847]

1984 in the north and a techno-dystopia in the south lmao

[@Kokila_Parag_Modi]

South Asia has like 5 Islamist Hindutvadi Ultra-rich techie Dirt poor Language based wars

[@comlitbeta7532]

Jean-Claude Van Damme wishes he could split like that

[@NinthSettler]

@@ChineseKiwi is based Korea really a dystopia or is that gringo propaganda?

[@MionMikan]

As someone who has lived in South Korea for almost a decade, let me just point out one thing: Housing in South Korea is actually affordable, as long as it's not in Seoul. Every city in South Korea except for Seoul is actually experiencing a massive aging and depopulation crisis right now, similar to Japan. Many elementary schools are closing because there simply aren't enough young people to populate them, and the working age group have all moved to Seoul to find jobs. The heavy urbanization and focus on Seoul is one of the major reasons why the country is in this predicament. Many young South Koreans would actually prefer not to live in Seoul if given the choice. The problem is, they simply cannot because all the jobs are there. Therefore, all the areas with cheap land and housing goes unused while prices for homes in Seoul skyrocket and more and more young people are trapped in a nightmare of servitude to the chaebols unless they marry rich, win the lotto, get rich on bitcoin (which was a whoooole thing back 2016-2020). The government has tried to alleviate this centralization around Seoul by building Sejong City an hour south of Seoul to house most of the government functions, but it's been a failed project so far. Seoul remains the place where everything happens while the rest of South Korea is left to die.

[@MajoradeMayhem]

You've got an extreme case of London Syndrome. London is a cancer on the UK. It guzzles up all the money, people and resources and gives nothing back.

[@Jambudvipa-ug6yg]

is it not an option to work from home?

[@zazo100]

​@@Jambudvipa-ug6ygcould be a solution but currently extremely unaccepted in Korean working culture. Better to watch Netflix at work (without being caught) so it seems that you spent many hours there than work productive from home...

[@sdrawkcabUK]

@@Jambudvipa-ug6yg should have been a game changer but employers decided they don’t like their worker drones having too much power and autonomy, so 2022 comes along and it’s back to the office 🙄

[@kristinesharp6286]

Not really failed. Hundreds of thousands live there. Mostly from rural towns. Many families split rather than relocated. That won’t help fertility rate though.

[@Illjwamh]

I was a teacher at a private English academy for five years. It was often said amongst the staff that we needed to be understanding and compassionate toward our students because for many of them, we see them more than their parents do.

[@EpicMiniMeatwad]

Literally and figuratively. A lot of parents either: Physically cannot be in their presence, or simply wont put in the effort to.. have kids.

[@xcrazypopprincess]

that's very sad. and also a sad way to live. Also the reason why I'll probably be childfree, there's no point having kids if you have to work you ass off to pay for them and don't even get to see them much.

[@NazriBuang-w9v]

Lies again? Shadow Kick Silat Keris

[@357d357]

@@xcrazypopprincess The point is so that the entirety of civilization as we know it does not collapse. The point is that generation upon generation sacrificed to bring children into the world so you could live. Why do you get to be the one to give up?

[@You-vv1xv]

@@NazriBuang-w9v Nah im korean and i gotta say this is true 💀💀

[@ej_makesvideos]

“How many children do you have?” *0.68 children*

[@angelsalazar7936]

I guess that means the woman got pregnant but the baby died sometime after (If were to take it literally like that)

[@gills87]

Yes averages can be really hard to understand

[@00shivani]

@@angelsalazar7936lmfao

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

"Im sharing with my neighbour, sharing is caring"

[@Familylawgroup]

Is assisted reproduction legal in S. Korea? Is it covered by standard health care or health insurance provisions? America continues to struggle to get insurance to cover fertility assistance and it is very expensive to get full on medical help in the US. Does S. Korea have the same culture as Japan and China where multiple generations tend to live together? I know this mega family living structure creates space issues that can discourage adding space taking children.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

Love how North and South Korea fought a brutal war to see whether Capitalism or Communism would rule their country. Now 70 years later both of them have developed to show the absolute worst case scenario of both economic models

[@万恶共匪毒害中华]

They are the same people after all, that might have to do with the result

[@2003LN6]

@@万恶共匪毒害中华ok racist

[@eva3414]

Animals under stress don't breed.

[@bigcheese0942]

​@@万恶共匪毒害中华Least racist asian:

[@andyboston3646]

​@@eva3414Yet somehow less developed countries got the highest fertility rates

[@MrIansmitchell]

It’s almost like when you make living standards worse for each successive generation, people lose interest in becoming parents.

[@redrock740]

Exactly! The rich can only squeeze the poor and middle class so much, until they give up on hope for a brighter future for their kids. At that point, you destroyed the future for your society.

[@Erowens98]

Its not that they lost interest. Its that filling the need to become a parent is not economically viable anymore. Including the real and opportunity costs. Were facing a similar problem in Finland. Having a child usually means your housholds income has to either decrease by 25-50% while your expenses increase by a significant margin. Or you have to hire someone else to raise your child for a lot of money. Because of the way our tax system is structured however, we just don't have the disposable income level required to make those sacrifices. The result is a 1.3 fertility rate. I know lots of people who have "i want children" as a life goal. Something they've wanted since they where teens/young adults. Who are entering their 30s without their first one because they could never afford to raise the child.

[@EnoshII]

it's the other way around, an increase in living standards leads to lower birthrates

[@LastMinuteGuess]

@@Erowens98 I want to have a family as well. However, I am 24 years old living at my parent's house after having "done everything right". I have student loan, car debt, and coming in the future, a mortgage? I feel like most people are priced out of having a home and have to become perpetual renters.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

This generation in South Korea are living better lives than ever before. Back in the 1970s, North Korea and South Korea had the same quality of life. In the 80s, a dictator ruled South Korea. In the 90s, most Koreans did not have HVAC, phones, and computers

[@CSDragon]

Babies, unfortunately, do not provide short-term benefits for Samsung shareholders

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Avarice

[@matheussanthiago9685]

bingo

[@Vegibyte]

@@matheussanthiago9685 But no future customers to buy the products? "Money today, who cares about tomorrow." mentality.

[@abbeyna01]

@@Vegibyte they’re not thinking that far ahead

[@SangoProductions213]

It's not just Samsung. The post-WW2 idea that children *must* be net losses for decades, with the expectation that they move the hell out immediately has been rather tragic for all modern family units. It turns kids from an essential part of life - in fact, the measure of whether the life was worthy of continuing - into a high value commodity, like a muscle car. (Except the car is paid off in a few years.)

[@mushrifsaidin]

I feel bad for those new generations, they'll experience hell to support the older generations and going to be blamed for being "lazy" and "irresponsible" just for being born in that society.

[@S-OIL_Korea]

Thank you for your opinion. I was born in 1995 in Korea and I am not lazy at all. There are no jobs in Korea even after graduating from university. In Korea, if you can't join a major company like Samsung, you have to join a trash company, which forces you to work a murderous hours at very low wages.

[@Gotuber126]

In reality, such discourse is going on in Korea. The Korean media has created a completely new artificial word called Generation MZ, which combines Generation M and Generation Z, and subtly claims that MZ does not integrate well into the workplace.

[@iavagabond124]

​@@S-OIL_Koreahe wasn't saying they are lazy, he is saying that unfortunately the younger generation will be thought of as lazy by the older generation for not being able to keep up with supporting them or trying to break the pattern

[@yellow_mon]

​@@S-OIL_Korea무슨말같지도않은소릴해,한국은 회사가 삼성밖에없냐

[@natashadickson4819]

More resources will become available to each individual in a smaller population. Especially renewable resources.

[@DaehyeonKim-sd3qj]

As a South Korean, I can confirm our society is very competitive. However, it’s not just to get into the chaebols; most parents think doctors are the best job since they pay very well. As a result, the race for medical school is so high that getting into them is deemed harder than getting into the SKY universities. I would also like to add as a high school student that our private education is very fierce. Last year, after school ended at 4:30, I would immediately go to private academies, and move between them until midnight(the government bans academies to teach over 10pm, but few actually follow). It was very tiring😢

[@BArshadKhatib]

Midnight seriously ?! That's damn some serious study load No wonder your country has the highest suicide rates in rich countries. Obv ppl won't be able to keep up with this pressure and also if they don't get a goodUNI or a good job the sense of Disappointment form the society would be intensely soul breaking.

[@vegbeg9170]

And are you any smarter for it? Wtf is with this insane studying that seems to yield no results

[@서진호-j6v]

as a korean i also agree its competitive af and its not even beneficial most koreans just study a lot and just forget after the test is over,so whats the point.

[@plantae420]

I think the doom loop is at least partially a product of a shift in values. While people in the past might have seen the number of children as a primary sign of success, nowadays the number in your bank account has become the sign of success. Money has turned from a means to succeed into the primary kind of success.

[@Ch1pp007]

​@@vegbeg9170 It's easier for the parents to force their kids to study than it is to improve themselves.

[@Clone683]

Turns out people wont have kids if you have to work 80 hours a week just survive

[@Tyronom]

even 40h is too much nowadays when you have internet

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

Turns out people dont have kids if you encourage women to pursue education/work over families and aggressively promote it in media they watch

[@erenb.2806]

​@@AndRei-yc3titurns out women get the option leave toxic men if they're educated and have a career so when women don't accept their abusive circumstances it triggers toxic men.

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@erenb.2806 🤦‍♂️ or it turns out that women get manipulated to chase the next shiny thing because they think it gives them social status and become insufferable and impossible to live with or marry Theres a reason why women were "liberated" in capitalist socities as they are viewed as the ideal consumer lel

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@erenb.2806 it turns out that women are the best consumers and pursue the next shining thing to try to increase their social status because they saw it online. Theres a reason why women were liberated, because they make the best consumers lel

[@saad_ghannam]

Least alarmist RealLifeLore title

[@saad_ghannam]

@@idk-99114 I see reading comprehension isn't your cup of tea

[@thepestilence7939]

To be fair, it is a huge crisis. Japans less demographically screwed than Korea, and they’re still going though an enormous debt crisis bc of the pressure having too many elderly people offers.

[@CristianmrWuno]

Watch him change it 6 times in the next hours lol

[@crocogab3674]

40min video that can be summed up in 5min...

[@misfitcherries]

​@@crocogab3674gotta chase that ad revenue

[@WriterScience]

As a resident of South Korea I must say that this is one of the best and most comprehensive overviews of the major trends in our society that I’ve seen. Very well done!!

[@sunggyulee9020]

South Korean Life: - Elementary school: spend around 30 hours a week in school, then spend another 5-10 hours in hagwons. For a total of around 35-40 hours of study a week. Basically, a full-time job. - Middle school: spend around 40-45 hours a week in school, then spend another 10-20 hours in hagwons. For a total of around 50-65 hours of study a week. Yikes. - High school: spend around 50-60 hours a week in school, then spend another 10-20 hours in hagwons. For a total of around 60-80 hours of study a week. Double Yikes. Work Life: Statistics are very tricky. It is often quoted that South Korea has an average of 1967 hours of work per week, roughly 37.8 hours per weeks. However, this number considers part-time work, and holidays. It also doesn't account of illegal unpaid overtime. The reality is a lot grimmer. - Work for 40 ordinary hours a week with 12 hours of overtime, which in most cases, they are almost mandatory. This is only the "legal" amount. Often you will work even more and will have to work overtime illegally unpaid. The average for a full-time employee is around 60 hours. How is that life? Where do you even find to time to properly date? If you are a parent, would you want your child to fucking study 60-80 hours a week? Hell no.

[@chico9805]

​@@Cha4k In terms of out-of-work life, clearly.

[@Min-ou8ti]

@@Cha4k No but they accepted way higher child mortality rates 💀

[@Min-ou8ti]

and the fact that you have to compare this to literal (post) war time periods shows by itself ☠

[@philwilliams953]

​@@Cha4k Plenty of Koreans were on the breadline until the 70s and 80s. Since then, they've tended to put with various hardships to achieve prosperity. It's ironic that now they've reached a higher standard of living and international recognition that they've always craved, they're facing an uncertain future.

[@rency1803]

​@@Cha4k imagine comparing modern day society with post war era. If they're somehow doing worse now after nearly 100 years then they should just merge with the north to share the suffering.

[@MrKillercrazy25]

As a foreigner who lives and works in South Korea, it is wild to see the problems firsthand. I am a teacher and if I were to ever have kids it would not be here. Crazy amounts of pressure on the kids and the costs associated with having a kid, both time wise and monetarily, are just not feasible for most people.

[@shottydd]

Wow, then it is really extreme over there.. I hope they will turn that around. They should make it more lucrative and cheaper/cost efficient for the families to have kids. Take the pressure off from schooling, and make the family important again and not the career opportunities. Or the government can incentivize young people to first have kids before they are allowed to study or work of course with government aid for their living expenses. The older generation is large and has the capital to support the future of their country. Only through similar policies like that South Korea will continue to thrive and even exist in the next century.

[@sethtrey]

I wonder if the pressure people felt as kids convinced them a kid wasn't a thing worth being.

[@앙금-u5m]

2023 birth rate 0.72 2024 birth rate 0.68 We have 50 million populations and there's only 200000 babies meet the world per year. This is crazy. People don't want to have babies and I don't know why. I just can't understand.

[@Timpon_Dorz]

​@@shottyddwhy are you talking like government is like a company? They don't grow food, they don't produce goods, they don't provide goods, they are literally money sucking machines that makes rules for you to follow. Give them places to live? Who's paying for it? Why are you talking like South Korea is this huge area with lots of land? 😂 Do you even know where they are?

[@Timpon_Dorz]

​@@앙금-u5mrejoin North... They have a lot of citizens there.

[@hyunjaejeong5180]

I've just shocked when I visited my elementary school again a year ago. There were only 33 students in the entire school even though I was living in a third largest city in korea. There were over 150 students when I attended. This is literally a disaster

[@mazzy_vc]

It’s really not. 100 years ago the global population was basically half what it is today and the world didn’t end then, it’s not ending now.

[@AcZe1188]

@@mazzy_vc That's overall, however, local population of certain nations certainly are decreasing. The other developing nations are making up much of the rising global population whether we like to admit it or not.

[@Shelleloch]

​@@mazzy_vc It is a disaster for South Korea though, the domestic social issues don't seem to be going away for a good few decades more and hostility to immigration doesn't help in the slightest. If a country doesn't have people to work, it has no economy nor means to produce goods for itself. The world will be fine, but not so much South Korea...

[@urbaniak5576]

@@mazzy_vc He was talking about Korea, not the whole world, besides it isn't about global population but fertility rate.

[@fft2020]

the same is happening in the west but in the west we are being replaced by blacks and arabs

[@yongchen__I]

Another thing is that South Korea has a really tough parenting culture, and a lot of kids decide to su!cide because of the stress and expectations their parents pressure on them, the same also works for China, India and Japan

[@hi-lx7wr]

I wouldn’t say India but yeah…

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@hi-lx7wr Wdym "I wouldn't say India"? Indian parents are next level when it comes to pressuring kids and having high expectations

[@00tom14]

I'm Chinese and... (let's not talk about it ;-:)

[@stinkyzombiefeet]

@@hi-lx7wr "Suicides during 2022 increased by 27% in comparison to 2018 with India reporting highest number of suicides in the world."

[@Volo1]

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 so true , specially comparing with other kids

[@gustavovillegas5909]

How did the Korean Peninsula manage to have two of the worst communist AND capitalist dystopias out there

[@janchovanec8624]

Cyno-Nipon cultures have always been lands of the extremes.

[@kieronparr3403]

​@@janchovanec8624you mean Sino?

[@DonHavjuan]

The worst capitalist dystopia after the US, you mean.

[@coltentackett892]

​@@janchovanec8624 what does that word mean Google just shows some video game bs I don't understand 😂

[@BreakyOnline]

​@@coltentackett892Cyno is a character from Genshin Impact (a gacha, open-world video game), I assume the OP meant Sino-Nippon, Sino referring to the China and China-adjacent cultures, and Nippon meaning Japan and Japan-adjacent cultures

[@88888888tiago]

In 200 years, historians will be baffling how Koreans became prosperous, crushed the price of a TV by 1500% and then suddenly and mysteriously vanished

[@notifydr]

maybe it was just an invisibility potion 🥱

[@teelo12000]

Nah. His entire video keeps the presumption that the fertility rate won't increase. Thats a flawed logic. As the fertility rate causes the population to lower, people will become more confident having children and that fertility rate will increase again.

[@sk-dr8zu]

​@@teelo12000 Fertility rate itself is decreasing because of lack of confidence among the population to thrive as they did before. So your point of argument is not valid. Decreasing fertility rate will age out the population and the aged population will lack potency and fertility, which will further accelerate the fall of population in future. Population will thrive only in the region where the mentality of the people reaches to the point "we got nothing to lo lose or gain" and still happy with the available resources, mainly natural resources. In such regions even a family without a penny income will breed multiple children among which all will dwell among the dirt and fittest ones will survive into adulthood (mostly all will survive). Most of the Africa and South Asia falls into such region, with plenty of arable land and natural resources, boomer population will mature into adulthood without much of external aid.

[@SanataniEren]

@@teelo12000 The reason for low fertility rate in SK is not just confidence but also increase in radical feminism among the female youth of SK and also the decline of traditional(Religious) value of marriages to just a sexual relationship.

[@xymaryai8283]

hmmm... i smell a Serket heh 88888888

[@evilbred974]

South Korea has tried, and let me get this correct, 90 DAYS OF MATERNITY LEAVE? Canada is one of the fastest growing developed countries in the world and we offer upto 18 months of maternity leave. I get the sense that South Korea isn't taking the whole thing serious enough. They refuse to give up their work culture that has led them to this demographic collapse.

[@---ie4ig]

The fact is, there are a lot of companies that even 90 days of leave is socially banned.. they have to walk on eggshells if they use their maternity that long…😢

[@accordblaze]

Yup. At a company I used to work at, there was a lady based in Canada who took 1 year maternity leave, then immediately had another child and took another year maternity leave (no gap in between). After that year, she left the company. So in this case, it definitely did increase "birth-rate" but also opens up to "abusing the privilege" I'm sure offering mandatory 1 year parental leave will help birth rates in Korea, possibly even a new baby boom. But would the Korean government, companies, economy be able to stomach footing the bill? Not sure. But yes that's the dilemma facing Korea.

[@Hanablueberry]

You are not correct. I took the maternity leave in Korea more than a year. Dont know where you got that info...

[@evilbred974]

@@Hanablueberry I got the info from the video we are commenting on. Did you watch it?

[@evilbred974]

@@accordblaze Well I mean, companies in Canada don't pay for maternity leaves. The company you are talking to never paid a dime to that lady during her maternity leave, that would have come from the employment insurance program in Canada, Korea as a country has no choice but to stomach it, because their country is facing demographic collapse unlike any that has ever happened in human history. I'm sure the expense of a similar employment insurance program, roughly 5% paid by both the employee and the company, is probably a small cost in comparison.

[@YippingFox]

It messed with my head so much until I realised that the 0.67 isn't a value between 0 and 1, but rather a value between 0 and 2 since it takes 2 to make anything.

[@staigenerator2949]

Oh fuck

[@eyepatchonmyear1318]

Yup. Replacement rate is 2.1

[@Jose04537]

“We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective.” Donella H. Meadows

[@3isr3g3n]

Yeah that's the thought behind western replacement migration

[@dansmith1661]

I'll start a family at 40. Now form a train. - Modern women

[@greenflea3]

you likely 100% per cent right

[@jer1776]

Not if the West beats it to it.

[@PurplePaperPrius]

We won't go to space, or cure diseases, and build better infrastructure, or do literally anything to improve the lives of average citizens because it's not profitable.

[@jinoo8648]

As a South Korean living in Seoul, there are too many reasons for this crisis. The competitive nature of Korean society, the conflict of men and women, an almost mad way of comparing each other and never finding peace, and so on. The accumulation of dozens of problems created a society where people don’t want to get married and have children. And the most horrifying thing is that people don’t even care and are even ridiculing their own country for this. In the internet there are so many comments that say “it’s still higher than 0.6? lol let’s keep it up until it’s 0.1 boys“

[@johnpark7972]

또출산

[@MasakanSolaris]

So south koreans have basically given up on the country and are accelerating the country to its inevitable end?

[@ThePeaceProject-4]

@@HR4_ cringe

[@shadowrayTV]

@@HR4_ nah that's crazy

[@samyravs7792]

Well, eventually there will be such a labor shortage that having kids will actually turn out to be a profitable activity. It just might require the collapsing of the current economy and society

[@speedbird-777]

Kim Jong Un: "I will destroy your population" South Korea: "No, I'll do it myself"

[@dansmith1661]

Kim Jong Un: "How is Democracy working out for you?"

[@Lana-xd7ey]

This make me question is north korea really that "evil" like all the western media potray ??

[@tituslucretiuscarus659]

That's the most depressing thing about this. All North Korea has to do is tell it's population that South Korea and Japan have the highest suicide rate in the world and how their population suffers under hyper capitalism in order to actually legitimize their rule and show that there is no alternative system. There is no guarantee against suffering and you might as well live in a communist dictatorship.

[@windharp]

@@dansmith1661 Well, there are a few more key parameters we should consider for that question. Like not vanishing into some camps. Or having food.

[@WildWombats]

@@dansmith1661 I'd wonder if this is happening to SK if this is also going to happen to NK as they have it even worse with starvation and people actively dying from not only natural means but from simple lack of nutrition and I imagine many may not want children for the same reason of lack of nourishment

[@carlossolalorente5347]

North Korea, the example of why communism doesn't work; and South Korea, the example of why wild capitalism doesn't work.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

Both types were not tested by being ruled by good geniuses.

[@yuchan063]

It is difficult to see South Korea's development as the worst outcome. South Koreans are richer than most people on earth. It is natural that they have many shortcomings compared to traditional developed countries.

[@ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh123]

NK will still be there in 100 years so maybe communism does in fact work in the long run. And I really doubt South Koreans are happier even if they are "richet". I was just in SK and ppl seem fuking miserable. Ever commie country I've been ppl seem happier contrary to what the Western CIA media tells you

[@u.2b215]

@@yuchan063 No matter how difficult it is to see it's not unwarranted to say that despite all its riches South Korea is essentially becoming a failed state. I do not see how they can turn this around, not only is the birth rate falling fast but its population is aging fast too. The average age has gone up by 15 years from 30 to 45 in less than 25 years.

[@justenoughrandomness8989]

@@qnbits that was not only mentioned in the video but also irrelevant to this comment

[@ldg1414]

Imagine paying all that money for a house and then 30 years later the value of your house crashes because nobodies around to buy it.

[@stant7122]

If housing is so expensive, a declining population should help lower the prices making it easier to get by

[@technus147]

oh no?? shouldnt have planned with infinite growth in mind lmao

[@millevenon5853]

​@@stant7122Japan has relatively low house prices thanks to population decline

[@allesklar221]

Welcome to Japan😂

[@Linkous12]

Imagine having a house.

[@DaAxiomatic]

When you're poor, kids are free labour. When you're rich, kids are expensive hobbies.

[@nuxe7598]

only if youre a farmer or a similar career is this true

[@mikhailryzhov9419]

If you are rich you can afford expensive hobbies. If you are in the middle you expect to put a lot into education and well-being of your kids, but you don’t have rich people money for that.

[@SangoProductions213]

@@mikhailryzhov9419 Middle... in the context of countries being in the literal 1% of global wealth. But yes, in modern Westernized societies, children are literally not allowed to legally work. This forces them to be a net loss for decades. And with modern society, there isn't an expectation for them to repay anything, until retirement years, where the expectation has instead been shifted to the state.

[@Aksarallah]

kids are always free labour. wink wink giant corporations with their child labour forces

[@patrickbliss9264]

​@@SangoProductions21315,16 & 17 year olds aren't children?

[@xar22]

It's not so much poverty that makes having kids seem terrible, but our expectations. We stop having kids when we think that our kids will live in a world worse than we did, and future doesn't seem that bright to many 20-40 year olds around the world.

[@andreas4010]

The combination of all the factors makes having kids extremely unappealing. The fact that some nk defectors regret leaving indicates how out of hand everything is

[@gen.tucker6024]

Not even the present is bright, let alone the future. A shame my parents didn't feel like people are today.

[@Jose04537]

We are literally been threatened by the rich owners of been replaced by AI, automatization, outsourcing and cheap immigrants. How on earth are we expected to plan to have chidren under such instability?

[@jlivb]

Or maybe people just simply don’t want to deal with kids. Or they might just not want to raise kids.

[@gilnahnu]

@@jlivb it can be multiple reasons

[@DonnaKWeaverAuthor]

Kids are expensive. People in the US seem to prefer dogs and cats.

[@NightmareRex6]

becuase the evil system made it so expensive :/ hate this world's systems always have!

[@averageguy1261]

Which are getting expensive too.

[@bulldogsbob]

@@NightmareRex6 No people don't want kids because they are selfish.

[@TheKain202]

Bullshit. Compared to any other period in history, our living standard, even on the poorer end, is one of extravagant opulence.

[@Metatropian]

​@@bulldogsbobI agree that this is actually the main reason. We want instant pleasure and avoid sacrifice like the plague.

[@greycommotion]

Government: "Work long hours with low pay and then have a family of five in a two-room apartment with no garden or personal space, please." Young South Koreans: "How about no?"

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

*Capitalism

[@actualyoungsoo]

It's worse in Tokyo but has better country smh

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Thats how most Koreans lived in the past back when they had more children

[@rollinsomethingbutiforgot]

​@@tuomasronnberg5244exploitation is not capitalism.

[@NewMCMikeProductionsYT]

The government of south korea has had to resort to paying people to have children lol

[@wxcvbndu51]

"Offering 90 days parental leave" is that supposed to be a lot? Most European have around this level of maternal leave and we're still all far below replacement rate

[@doujinflip]

Capitalism is shortsighted and sociopathic. To it even one day off is one too many.

[@brutalchicken]

In Ontario, Canada there's a 17 week pregnancy leave plus 61 to 78 weeks parental leave. The birth rate is still at 1.33 or so

[@laju6398]

@@doujinflip you assume socialist countries are different? Lol Lmao even

[@tvdootman27]

imo parental leave should be 3 years

[@PurplePaperPrius]

Meanwhile the U.S offers 0 days parental leave. Capitalism is pure evil.

[@darthmaul8912]

You forgot to mention that South Korea is also pretty much leading suicidal rates in the "developed" world.

[@Sporkonafork1]

​@KalongCaves yes it is wtf lol almost on par with Japan

[@CBRN-115]

​@@Sporkonafork1 not on par, Korea surpasses Japan

[@Sporkonafork1]

@@CBRN-115 wow that is bleak

[@gregpendrey6711]

Came to say maybe it's societal trauma. It dropped off after the war. Humans are the terrible species. Earth doesn't need us for anything and will transform herself and begin again.

[@Luiz-w5s]

And the ones doing it the most are people at working age. They are screwd. But it's part of the civilization circles. Nations rise and desapear during the whole human history. The mayans, for exemple, desapeared doing to low birth rate. They were shirinking and emigrating later on.

[@purplanet5583]

I am a graduate of a SKY university. My mom paid for private tuition which amounted to a chaebol employee's entire salary, despite that she was a single mom and was living in a pathetically small house with only one room or two, with two children. It was a unpleasant enough childhood that I would rather have no kids that to witness my child suffer through the same shit. Now I am a DINK, but the depressing degradation of the country is forcing me to seek retirement abroad. I might have to leave the country if I want any help from an able bodied person in my bedridden days ahead of me.

[@mariam-bk510]

So the reasons summarised by this video are very real. Kids are not even wanted from a SKY person like yourself. Imagine what about the rest of the 98% who are not admitted to SKY?

[@글랜굴드]

@@mariam-bk510Thankfully in those 98% we do get marriage, but just extremely rarely. Let's be real; the wealth heritage is evident in every single country, and we Koreans just value them to the extremes and do NOT want to inherit our generation's "socially poor state" created by all the dystopian internet nerd addicted to the competitiveness of out society. I gotta say that these "social inequality" catastrophes happening rn are outgrowth of the sadly prevalent social networking services' toxic cultures.

[@purplanet5583]

@@mariam-bk510 In other countries, less educated people tend to have more kids. But in Korea, wealthier people tend to have more kids and wealthier peole are usually more educated. So yeah, the fact that I chose to have no kids and that it's not that uncommon among my peer group is very concerning. I don't expect to see Korea's fertility rate bouncing back up any time soon.

[@クリキントン-t8e]

As a Japanese person, I feel that Korea is an extreme version of Japanese society and is one step ahead of Japan. Both good and bad.

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

Not to mention, with far less affordable housing these days

[@tigerion9275]

似てるようで全く違うけどな😅 誤解を招くようなコメントを残すなよ

[@万恶共匪毒害中华]

I actually think Koreans are more similar to Chinese than Japanese

[@Artuar3CRaFT]

@@万恶共匪毒害中华Didn’t Japan colonize the Korean countries tho?

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Japan is just Cyberpunk 2077 minus the bugs. South Korea is Cyberpunk 2077 bugs and all

[@endjfcar]

9 to 9 work hours (one of the highest work hours in OECD), incredibily competitive society (highest depression rate), soul-breaking education pressure (highest student suicide rate) is all accumulating into this huge economical, cultural, political disaster that is the fertility rate.

[@C0lon0]

Who would imagine that enslaving the population and the older looking towards more profit would ruin the country?

[@gracenote108]

add on an incredibly corrupt government that hates its women. not surprised about this outcome.

[@princessthyemis]

That's awful 😢

[@raineob4996]

It’s like the Hunger Games were a competition to win a job at Joja Corp.

[@anonisnoone6125]

Nothing will change as long as Samsung and other big companies have so much influence on the government and economy. The government doesn't give a shit nor do the big companies basically controlling SK.

[@swaggerdude20]

State sponsored dating app ✅ Tax breaks for having a kid ✅ Encourage immigration✅ Lower work week hours w/ enforcement❌❌❌❌❌❌

[@AA-vr8ez]

SK isn’t known for immigration encouragement. The culture is pretty hostile to outsiders. People pan immigration on the internet, but immigration is the only reason the USA and some European countries are successful. Look at European countries with no immigration (Serbia, Moldova, etc.) and they’re not doing well.

[@Matt-jc2ml]

​@@AA-vr8ez who wants to move to moldova lol

[@Amr7477.]

Encouraging immigration won't solve the problem, it will just delay its consequences. Also you don't want your nation to get replaced over time by another nation.

[@grischa762]

@@AA-vr8ez it is similar in Japan from what I heard. I would also agree that the imporance and positive effects of immigration are often overlooked and it is instead only regarded as a problem. Germany is a good example for this. There is already lack of workforce because of low fertility rates and yet support for anti immigration parties and sentiments are rapidly increasing. Serbia Moldova are not bad off because they lack immigration though in my opinion. They lack immigration because their economies do not provide enough insentives for immigration in the form of opportunities. So the lack of immigration is rather a sign that these countries are not doing very well. One sign for this is that many citizens of the countries you mentioned work in other EU countries as a cheap labor force often being exploited.

[@NigelMarmalade]

​@@AA-vr8ezno just no in every way

[@Woolymammoth-db1lt]

"economic growth is the best contraceptive" an economist said this

[@oliverxhmll]

How can they have kids if they're expected to work so much in the capital? They literally don't have the time to raise them. This is what they say in interviews

[@beardedlonewolf7695]

The women?

[@AsthmaQueen]

pretty much, which knocks on to have negative effects on economy which means more people need to work to survive which means they more prioritized in their own situation than growing a family... its not all that surprising but certainly not a good thing

[@quillo2747]

Once upon a time the men worked all day while the women raised kids at home. Now men and women work all day and there is no one to raise the kids.

[@bkminchilog1]

@@beardedlonewolf7695again. You want someone to give up their class status for a lower less powerful class status on purpose for no benefit to themselves? White men, those with the highest privilege in the world, don’t even want to be drafted and yet you want 50% of the population with, essentially, 45% man status, to give up that small privilege to be subjected to domestic violence, poor health care, no divorce coverage, no benefits if your husband dies and no rights to property unless it’s in their name. For what in exchange? Your husband isn’t obligated to take care of you, treat you properly or leave you money if they die. You are essentially a baby factory with no benefits to yourself whatsoever and honestly the treat for being invaded when you’re 80 isn’t super important when you’re 25 and don’t want to be beaten, cheated on and left broke by your husband.

[@hia5235]

Correct. They literally tell you: and people dont want to hear it because we are slaves to capital

[@DubsBrown]

This is literally why Squid Games was commentary on SK society. Even the old guy was running the whole show.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@desmasic Nice "what aboutism" 😂.

[@ori5581]

​​@@desmasic ㅋㅋㅋ인종차별이 아닌 행동에 따른 차별이다ㅋㅋ인도인들이 주장하던 클럽사건도 인도인이 돈을 안내고 한국여성을 괴롭혀서 입장금지됨 그리고 인도인들은 다른나라에서도 공공장소에서 시끄럽게하고 질서와 매너가 부족한 것으로 유명하다 일본어,태국어,독일어 등으로 인도를 검색해봐도 비슷한 댓글을 확인할 수 있다 인종차별을 얘기하기 전에, 다른 나라 사람들도 공통적으로 얘기하는 본인들의 단점을 먼저 살펴보는게 더 나을것이다

[@JelloOnWeb]

@@desmasic That guy wasn't even Indian he was Pakistani

[@abhinay172]

​@@JelloOnWebin real life he's indian though.

[@rency1803]

Koreans only make 2 types of movie, love stories or social commentary. Now you know why

[@tayzonday]

The United States has often functioned as a “gerontocracy.” The median age of congress and the judiciary has always been far greater than the median age. Young people are less likely to vote.

[@ctg4818]

The legend himself

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

True tbh

[@laju6398]

Pretty much every modern democracy is a gerontocracy. The assumption is that the elderly will care for their children and grandchildren, but this system stops working when the voters and representatives don't have any.

[@awsambdaman]

Tay saw last nights debate and had gerontocracy on his mind

[@TealWolf26]

​@@awsambdamanme too

[@ramonchan9732]

It soon becomes a vicious cycle. The growing number of retirees put extreme burden on younger generation who then decide on having fewer babies in order to just sustain their own survivals. Or the elderly keep on working well beyond the retiring age or literally never retire.

[@noname18305]

In a country like South Korea i think the mindset is: why have kids and subject them to the suffering you had to go though and you are being worked to death therefore you have no time for kids

[@Nicola.M7]

💯

[@SeanStrife]

Hell, South Korea... Japan... the US... Canada... most countries are adopting this philosophy.

[@avancalledrupert5130]

That's how it is everywhere. If all you can do is hand your wages over in rent because you don't come from the property owning class why would you want to repeat that situation.

[@Broken_robot1986]

I wish I could have afforded children.

[@noname18305]

@@avancalledrupert5130 look at videos of school and work culture in South Korea, it's way worse, actual torment

[@kimsh-hb7wt]

hi South Korean 3rd grade of high schooler here, very accurate and well summarized vid the country is full of hatred against the counterparts(men vs women, liberal vs conservative, rural student vs urban student etc...) it is truly a mess and I myself plan to emigrate to us after graduating university(I used to live in us for 2years and I felt like the place I lived was far better than Korea) it is a truly depressing country and I am certain this country will meet the fate this video suggests one more thing I'd like to add to the education problem is because children are forced to compete too early in lives, jobs requiring mental skills are treated far superior to jobs that require skills and the pay gap between them is extreme. Also competing from an early age doesn't help our mental states. I am sure this leads to the large amount of hate produced against other groups in society(the ones I mentioned above). thank you for making this vid

[@Wxxxxxxxxxoo]

어디서 구라치노 ㅋㅋㅋ 느그집안이 잘못됏겟지 ㅋㅋ 내동생은 학교끝나면 매일 놀더라 ㅋㅋㅋ 공부좀 시켜줘라 제발

[@casteretpollux]

US CIA thing is divide and rule.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

As an immigrant to the U.S., you likely won't be considered as playing much of a part in this, but the same issues, minus the intense competitiveness at a young age, all exist in the U.S. right now as well. But we have a more individualistic culture, which is why we've not had the same birth rate problems. Just saying that if you're joining this country in part or in whole because you believe neighbors here get along with each other and we're all friendly with each other...you're sadly very mistaken and we're a very, very divided nation. I would add the words "right now", but we've always been heavily divided, be it racially, financially, politically, religiously, etc.

[@Video2Webb]

Since you are already very well educated and very thoughtful, because you are able to see some causes and effects, some patterns, I would suggest that you and other young people do NOT plan to emigrate but to remain and to haul the country around into a better future. This will mean getting together with like-minded peers, brainstorming extensively, seeking out adults who think similarly and wish for change, writing and publishing articles, making videos, talking with politicians, business people. ONLY Koreans can create a new future for South Korea. Why not plan to do 'Great Work' in your own country? Obviously that will require a lifelong commitment, dedication, love for the people and the country, and a determination to solve the problems. Your lives are wasted as competitors only. Time to move on from this demeaning and damaging vision / compulsion. 🥰🙏🤜🤛

[@randomhappenings]

The replies to this well written comment are sad and misguided. I welcome you back to the US and I hope you have a happy life here.

[@Marconius6]

You work as a Samsung drone for 60 hours a week, then return to a tiny hole of an apartment to watch K-pop while slurping down cheap noodles. And then the government calls you up and asks you why you don't have 2.1 children yet.

[@timonurcikan8196]

Lol it seems that both koreas are shit

[@shlee5261]

Even Samsung drone is very successful case in Korea. Over 80% of people are working the same or more hours while receiving only 50% of the wage of Samsung drone.

[@Mario-kf3ej]

@@shlee5261 totally agree, Marconius is insane to think Samsung drones are bottom of food chain ...

[@MC무현-d3y]

This is just wrong…

[@고든-d2o]

현실은 삼성 드론으로 일하는것은 한국 사회 상위 10%에 속하는 사람입니다. 절대 다수의 사람들은 하청의 하청의 하청 노동자로 평범한 임금을 받고 삽니다.

[@LASAGNA_LARRY]

Amazing video! Thank you.

[@Majectics]

What a surprise... People who have to work up to 12h a day and still are only able to affoard a one room apartment aren't having any children

[@Mark-in8ju]

36:27 He is perfectly correct! Feminism is the only reason that Western nations are dying demographically. Repeal the 19th!

[@BMWE90HQ]

This is a symptom of all highly urbanized societies. The ridiculous work culture certainly doesn’t help.

[@hi-lx7wr]

Peak capitalism:

[@Clause-lf6su]

@@hi-lx7wr it’s a combination of American-influenced capitalism and Chinese-influenced Confucianism. Proven to be a recipe for disaster.

[@swushey]

It's crazy to ask people who have no free time or money to give up their free time and money to have kids.

[@Saveliltimmy223]

NOT JUST THAT WHY DO THEY WANNA SPEND MISREABLE LIVES TO TAKE CARE OF ANOTHER PERSON

[@NightmareRex6]

and i heard they have an insane night life too, really sucks alcohal is the drug of choice for humanity, be so much better if was just weed. and koreans tend to have WORSE hangovers than other demographics. and if dont drink its considered rude i think.

[@kloiehiemstra608]

The Korean youth have a colloquial term called “헬조선“ which literally translates to “Hell Joseon” (Joseon being the historic name for Korea). It basically is a joking way of coping with the horrible societal conditions they have to face.

[@doinkdank2]

That term hell joseon was created by Japanese right wingers to spread misinformation on korean social media.

[@norihiro01]

To be fair, life in Joseon was hell for pretty much everyone there, unless you were a Yangban who could exploit everyone else.

[@Mark-in8ju]

36:27 He is perfectly correct! Feminism is the only reason that Western nations are dying demographically. Repeal the 19th!

[@YouSting]

There was a surprising amount of diverse information in this video. Thank you; I've learned a lot.

[@VinegarMoneyGrows]

Rest of the world: Who are you? South Korea: I am you in near future.

[@MajoradeMayhem]

Governments around the world are forgetting to create a society that people actually want to LIVE IN. They are too busy looking at the bank balance, instead of if their people are living healthy and worthwhile lives.

[@manuproulx2764]

​@@MajoradeMayhem Then they wonder why people don't want children anymore.

[@514Exc]

Korea works A LOT like 9-9pm. It's suppose to be 9-6 but apparently its good form to stay a bit later, if your boss stays late you stay late, this is what gets you promotions. This is for woman and men. It's like even kids are being priced out for the lower and middle classes. This isnt exclusive to Korea birthrates are dropping across Europe and America too.

[@21randyo]

"996" is a real thing. Vice has a doc in it

[@tyrant-den884]

And that's not even getting into the cost to educate a child there.

[@hiddentruths6961]

Yep in Europe it is becoming too expensive to be able to even afford food. Nowadays it is impossible for young people to even buy their own home. If people can't even afford to eat or house themselves how are they supposed to afford to bring up a child as well?

[@teck1756]

@@21randyo Vice has always been garbage, though.

[@Connor_Roush]

No its materialistic culture and feminism.

[@whattheuses]

so if you’re young open a funeral home business will boom in 10 to 30 years

[@k4piii]

Taking notes

[@undertone2472]

So dark, but likely true.

[@natashadickson4819]

Or start an elder-care business because they don't have offspring to take care of them in old age.

[@comlitbeta7532]

​@@natashadickson4819yeah but you will not have employee

[@natashadickson4819]

@@comlitbeta7532 Middle age people will be the employees to care for the elderly.

[@wiexd2367]

The Video is amazingly made and covers so many aspects. Thanks so much for all the input!! I really enjoyed the video and it made me think a lot!

[@EmilOsena]

When I was in highschool, I had a few South Korean classmates who moved to the Philippines to study English. When my classmates asked why they did it, they said it was cheaper to study here than in South Korea. This was in the late 2000s so the prices for education in South Korea has been an issue for a long time.

[@TheYoutubeUser69]

All off this just to get outperformed by some Indian or German XD

[@EmilOsena]

@@TheKZbinUser69 It was bound to happen anyway with the amount of South Koreans retiring here and having their own businesses and such. Even my SK classmates were referred to my highschool by a relative. As being out performed by other countries, I don't have the right answer for that. Maybe because we are having a crisis in education at the moment (the mess is so big that it's better if you look it up on your own), there's little pay for our teachers (both in the private and public sectors) causing a bit of a shortage or both.

[@soondori3364]

Yeah…. I know many of those kind if parents to send their kids to Philippines 🇵🇭 and they also told me that by doing so it is easier to get their kids to college in the US.

[@waty0usay1]

Why would they have children if it costs $260k to raise one, you can pay off half your house with that or buy a frickin Ferrari.

[@MajoradeMayhem]

Heck, with that money you could reasonably emigrate to a different country altogether.

[@MoneyMan28]

Yes better to have a paid off house and car

[@kevinkarlwurzelgaruti458]

I always wonder how it comes to be such a ridiculous amount. I mean, children would receive just pennies during ww2. The most you would spend on a kid would be food and entertainment(optional). I just don't get, how is it such a high number?

[@andrewp1017]

​@@kevinkarlwurzelgaruti458 education. Lots of it. They start private education since kindergarten and 70% of them get college degrees. Hell, the SK government is actually saying lets keep the elementary kids at school even later than they already are so that, ya know, parents have time to make more babies.

[@GermanTaffer]

As a German I think they are more expensive.

[@AfroMan187]

Thanos: "I will decrease the population by half" South Korea: "No, I'll do it myself"

[@Voltaicz]

Thanos said ok

[@TealWolf26]

South Korea try-harding in yet another field.

[@bkminchilog1]

Honestly education and egalitarian policies will do that for free

[@meteorknight999]

​south koreas education is hard avg korean finds it hard mwaning they are no educated by korean standards so your point is invalid lol

[@-nf9vt]

For subtitles, Immersive translate does an absolute incredible job. It is free and generates them perfectly

[@williamyu94]

It's shocking how accurate the information in the video is, watching this felt like living thru my childhood all over again. Something that I never wish any kid would need to go thru. I'm now living in the USA, married to an American, I can sorta afford a kid but still don't really want a child. I really don't have ANY good memories from my childhood, my dad was busy with work I hardly ever saw him and my mom was a teacher at the same school I went which she was brutal on me to make sure I stayed ahead of other kids. There were intense physical abuse from parents but I never bat an eye cuz all my friends were also getting beat to shit by their parents as well. This was just normal thing 10 yr old needed to go thru. What sucks is I know my parents had no ill-intent, they just didn't know better. They also grew up getting their ass spanked, just in a much simpler society. What looks to be a beautiful society from the outside is just sick-tarnished society that isn't repairable. The irony is both North and South have rock bottom fertility rates for complete opposite dystopian reasons lol. All I know is this- you are better off growing anywhere but the Korean peninsula.

[@TheIrelandish]

헬조선 탈출했다. 고생했어요

[@meteorknight999]

Thats very cool but north korea doesnt have rock bottom fertility rate and lot of times more kids than south yearly

[@GBR9794]

@@meteorknight999 thier starvation crisis is real bad though

[@paratame105]

@@GBR9794 Do you have a source for that, buddy?

[@williamyu94]

@@meteorknight999 1.3 is almost to the bottom of the chart.

[@Rabbiturtacorn]

How to break your civilization 101, allow monopolies, encourage them even, increase working requirements to almost slave levels, then drastically shift the domestic economy into the worst design. Megacorps.....

[@Zaximillian]

Megalocorps.

[@CRneu]

don't forget that SK is pretty racist with basically zero immigration because of it. Nobody moves to SK.

[@kekeke8988]

@@Zaximillian How does the megalo goddess cult have that much influence if 97% of execs are men as claimed in this video?

[@Zaximillian]

Megalo as in megalomaniac.

[@jason4275]

And use military hardware to force suppression of protest around financial institutions

[@teamtriss]

Those chaebols totally sound like the megacorps in Cyberpunk.

[@xymaryai8283]

Cyberpunk as a genre has become known as a thinly veiled showing of the western fears of Asian dominance since Blade Runner, so literally yeah thats what Cyberpunk 2077 was going for. its an 80s-90s idea of high tech Japanese monolithic companies like Sharp and Sony, which could be compared to chaebols

[@teamtriss]

@xymaryai8283 I don't know how I missed this angle all this time given how obvious it actually is.... I mean, the big bad in CP77 is a Japanese corporate emperor who wants to nuke America, lol.

[@madeline6951]

it's almost as if dystopia is metaphoric reflection of reality

[@282XVL]

They basically are. SK supreme court has actually set a precedent into law that board members of certain companies are Too Big to Jail. As in, convicted, sentenced and then simply told to walk out because their going to prison would be too harmful to the economy of the nation. Dystopian AF. But they do make good monitors for cheap prices tho so I'll allow it if their own people allow it. Over there.

[@Ilyak1986]

They basically are. South Korea is all of the dystopia of cyberpunk, without any of the life-changing cyberware or aesthetics.

[@MrHav1k]

Jeez... this is even more dystopian than I thought. Wow!

[@한국.미세먼지.축하]

Korea works 60~80 hours a week. It's more serious than Japan's. And Korea is trying to implement a 6-day workweek. (Work 6 days and rest only 1 day)

[@한국.미세먼지.축하]

Korea has the highest suicide rate in the OECD world, and the birth rate is the worst in the world at 0.67, which is something even Japan can't do.

[@PremiumMaple1125]

As a korean, Actually there are many problems 1. International foreign policy is not firm. In Korea, government changes almost every five years, but each political party has different international diplomatic lines (the Democratic Party supports North Korea and China, and the power of the people supports the U.S. and Japan), making it easy to lose trust from neighboring countries like U.S 2. Radical feminism is ruining the country. Unlike misogynistic national perceptions posted by foreign countries, Korea is very free from gender discrimination (there was one in the mother's generation). Unlike foreign countries, however, they do not form solidarity with PC, only based on feminism and hatred against men. In fact, false perceptions in foreign countries also contributed to the spread of feminists. They ridicule Korean men's military as "vacation," and populist politicians are implementing policies that favor these people in order to win votes 3. The population is declining. Simple population decline would be okay, but the problem is that the ratio of the elderly is increasing. Already, 25 million people, half of the total population, are elderly. This attracts votes for policies for the elderly, makes it difficult for young people to flow into politics, and unlike Japan, vested interests are only filling their stomachs. This, coupled with No. 2, lowers the birth rate and only repeats the vicious cycle. 4. The overcrowding of the Seoul metropolitan area is serious. All infrastructure is concentrated in Seoul and is only 100 kilometers away from North Korea. Except for Israel, there is no such thing in the world. Nevertheless, vested interests do not give permission to move the capital to protect their land. And this has the side effect of destroying the provinces due to the centralization of Seoul and rising housing prices which make much hard to buy house as Youngs And causing more birth rate decline

[@the_hiroman]

Government: "Why isn't our cattle having offspring??? REEEEEEEEEE".

[@tandelta6843]

They will just repopulate with N.Koreans or even worse, Africans. They don't care about Koreans.

[@PogueMahone1]

The way Koreans pronounce it, it comes out more like "Rhee-eeeeee"...

[@Xplicitthedon]

Having lived in South Korea I can say it is very competitive and the focus on education is crazy and thats because most people are trying to get the same jobs. My wife is Korean and we live in Australia she pushes our kids hard to study I have to step in occasionally and say chill out a bit its not that serious 😂 I hope South Korea has a great future its a lovely country with some of the greatest people ive ever met. 사랑해 🇰🇷❤

[@ryansearle6157]

It’s funny how at 31:56 one of the students on the video is wearing a short that reads: “we’re the kids who survived” as he’s describing the the rigorous, practically cultlike education culture in South Korea

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>is wearing a short that

[@raybojr1]

@@alexmuenster2102 Engrish Porice

[@sofronije74]

So, that means after couple of years that would be no one to update my Samsung that I just bought?

[@kirk001]

It's like an entire society geared against happiness.

[@JCCyC]

You just wrote the dictionary definition of late stage capitalism.

[@jason4275]

yes this is happening being overworked is making average American miserable, what's our politicians doing increasing more immigration, so why even have kids, when you're kids have to compete with immigrant children for a miserable low paying job.

[@JCCyC]

@@jason4275 I see you're blaming the bogeyman Dear Leader told you to, reality be damned.

[@muhcharona]

@@JCCyC No, its evolutionary mismatch. "Imperium Press Why is Korea Not Breeding" on here covers it.

[@sorosxu]

瞎说，韩国乃宇宙第一强国

[@alanle1471]

A corporate culture has killed their family life.

[@JTA1961]

Hey...but... corporations are "people" too

[@TanjirowGhamadow]

North Korea: "Well that was easy"

[@macksii]

just shows that americas attempt at 'proving' which of the two economic systems is better for citizens ended up proving it isn't capitalism

[@remybuitenhuis2433]

😂😂

[@NotSoSerious69420]

@@macksiiyou mean to tell me extremes of the scale tend to be worse than a more middle ground? No way.

[@emilysnowy6027]

N Korea is killing their population with famines and labor camps. They're not in a position to celebrate.

[@gasmaskmanne]

@@macksiidunno, germany is doing well for itself without a dystopia

[@chozer1]

When i was younger i was told that there are too many people on earth. Weird how it changes

[@나나-g6u]

As a South Korean man in my twenties, I would like to share my thoughts on the income gap between men and women mentioned in the video. Currently, almost 95% of young South Korean men are conscripted into military service (as of 2023, only 2.5% are completely exempt from any form of conscription, and those who are physically unfit or disabled are assigned to public service during this period). As a result, their entry into society is delayed, and to compensate for this, they receive a salary equivalent to having worked two additional years compared to their non-conscripted peers when they join the workforce simultaneously. (Of course, the wage gap among the middle-aged and older generations is more significantly influenced by gender reasons.) In modern times, while patriarchy has rapidly collapsed and equal rights have been granted to both men and women, the obligations that came with those rights under patriarchy have not disappeared. The privileges of patriarchy were enjoyed by the current middle-aged and older generations, leaving men in their twenties to shoulder only the obligations of the old system, which is a source of their dissatisfaction. Today's young men and women in Korea value equality and fairness more than any other generation. Although women's quotas or additional points for women are implemented in many fields, the employment crisis in Korea is experienced by both men and women. It is true that there are more men than women in high-ranking positions, executives, CEOs, etc. due to gender discrimination, but this only applies to middle-aged people in their 40s and older, not young people in their 230s. They feel that they have become a generation that only suffers losses in the transitional period toward gender equality. Lastly, this comment is from the perspective of a Korean man in his 20s. There will be various thoughts and opinions.

[@quillo2747]

Now a woman has to spend her life slaving away for a corporation instead of at home raising the kids. Yay equality.

[@smoothiedeluxe7422]

Life is more nuanced than a polarized world view can handle and your post shows this nuance quite clearly. Good luck in life mate. I hope something in your country changes for the better.

[@p382742937423y4]

When women earn more, they are more Lively to file for divorse, to feel like there are no good men, to remain childless, and, funnily, to be more unhappy.

[@Darticus42]

Interesting. I'm an American, but still thank you for discussing a lot of the nuance behind the socioeconomic situations there (and for acknowledging your perspective as a young Korean man). I feel like important nuances like this often gets lost when discussing generational differences, especially when it involves people's cultures other than one's own. A small point though -- you mentioned 20-30 year old Korean men not having many of the same privileges and opportunities as those in older generations, while having many of the same obligations and responsibilities forced on younger generations. A few comments on that: 1) Is a lot of that influenced by a culture of assumed respect for older people, and more a matter of generations aging than society itself changing? For example, is that something that younger men even in your generation could reasonably expect to start benefitting from as they grow older? Or, from a different perspective, did older Korean men similarly struggle around your age until a select few managed to find that privilege in their 40-60s that you're seeing now? 2) You mention that patriarchy's privileges have collapsed, while keeping around the obligations for younger men. But actually, those obligations are very much a byproduct of how many feminists define patriarchy too -- the very same systems that widen pay gaps and lessen opportunities for career growth and autonomy for women are also the exact same ones that force harsh burdens on men, especialy those who aren't (set up to become) upper class in society. This is usually called "intersectionality", looking at common issues like this that negatively impact other classes of people (including men) alongside women, and how they often come from the same "source" or cause of societal issues. So, it could easily be that patriarchy still exists very strongly, just that you're seeing different but parallel negative impacts of it than women may see. And that challenging these issues helps not only women, but almost everyone in society. To use a common analogy, it might be that you're seeing the other side of the same coin. 3) Is conscription into the military, then, seen as a necessary way to climb the corporate or industrial leadership ladder in South Korea?

[@DoritoBot9000]

South Korea is amongst the most sexist developed countries. You stating that equality has been achieved is a joke in very poor taste.

[@donjuan2001]

The present is so grim it’s unsurprising people have so little faith in the future. Unhappiness and lack of fulfillment plagues the first world, people can barely find a reason to keep themselves alive, let alone bring more life into the world.

[@yousef858]

text book example of corporations wanting record profits every single year

[@shareman99]

Actually your thinking is wrong. The corporations have to make money to create jobs and expand. The issue in Korea is a political issue created by the government. With the decline in population the corporations have 2 choices. One they will need to have the government open the border for immigration to have people work due to the decline in population. That will never happen because Koreans are not open to being a melting pot like other countries. The other choice is to take the companies out of the country which is already happening. Hyundai and Kia are slowly taking the company out of the country. A lot less of the cars are being manufactured in Korea now. If population goes down so do sales in the country and the only option is to get out.

[@yousef858]

@@shareman99 i am not gonna explain much of my comment because a youtube comment is not enough to explain the cycle of corporations making record profits yearly and its implications on the economy thus leading to the many issues already discussed in the video. I work as an external auditor and produce those yearly financial statements for corporations I see this shit firsthand

[@shareman99]

@@yousef858 Good because your still wrong. Also if you watched the video the government created the chaebols. So what is a corporation in Korea. Well it's the government and not the mean corporations who isn't taxed enough. You sound like a liberal whiner. Also I am an accountant for one of those bad corporations and I hope they make a ton of money. No profit means I have no job.

[@zero64]

so what does that have to do with the shrinking population?

[@TheSwauzz]

@@yousef858 So you have nothing of value to add to the conversation other than a "trust me bro, I know what I'm talking about"? 🤔

[@ccea_3050]

North korea: 1984 South korea: 2077

[@jakobrichards2783]

So…. South Korea is seemingly speed running through the lifespan of capitalism in ~ a century

[@miraeja]

Yes

[@pearl-yk5qo]

I'm Korean and this is the MOST comprehensive analysis on KZbin I've seen on this subject! As a parent, I worry for my own future but much more for my children's. What kind of a society will they live in? Will they have any hope? I'm educating them abroad so they will have the option of leaving Korea. Many of my colleagues are doing the same. This country has no hope, and the worst thing is that the politicians (who are old themselves) aren't doing anything to change it.

[@wannacry7909]

You have chance to show your view in kr, but if in cn, your baby probably have no chance study aboard and you may have no chance to show your view to each other

[@michaelkim8452]

Yeah, it's too bad. We all have to face the realities

[@hiddentruths6961]

It's not just South Korea, it's happening around the world.

[@Shelleloch]

The decline has long since past the point of it merely being cost of living increases. The hostility towards women's rights, which is already rather extreme, is increasing. "Feminist" is even used as an insult.

[@temstem9895]

@@Shelleloch Women's rights has a positive correlation with lower birth rates and marriage rates, along with more kids being born out of wedlock. The 'sexual revolution' and feminism is the primary reason for the current demographic and societal problems modern nations face, so yes, feminism is an insult

[@urmum2083]

​@@Shelleloch birthrate before feminism was a lot better🌚

[@whitneysmiltank]

@@Shelleloch What "rights" are you referring to?

[@danedane8573]

Exactly why we should gender segregate labor, education, tax and welfare just like the old days. Stop parasiting. Make your own. No one stopped you. No one oppressed you. No one ever did. It is you who couldn't do it. Stop barging into established male spaces then shriek on about how you are the victim when we are in the same room to get this favor and that. Stop welfare and affirmative action. Make your own. Farming Mining Hunting all of it. Stop depending on men. Metoo, gender paygab, glass ceiling, Period vacation. Do all you want on your own space instead of nagging at men to do it for you.

[@echomjp]

1% of GDP is not enough to spend on encouraging people to have children when the current economic conditions are precisely what discourage people from having children. Maybe with ten times that investment into making housing in places like Seoul affordable while also branching out industry and businesses elsewhere, providing massive childcare and assistance programs for parents beyond what is already available, and so on - and you would see things change. Even then it would take time for things to change. At this rate South Korea either needs to take drastic action, or they'll see their population and nation implode in the coming decades. Edit: Immigration isn't a long-term solution, either. In the next century or so many nations which are currently have net emigration will almost certainly see their economic circumstances improve and their population growth slow. South Korea and many other nations in Asia with low immigration might be suffering more from this population decline, but every nation that is "developing" needs to consider this problem seriously or else there are going to be major long-term problems.

[@알파카-y4f]

as a Korean, I love my children so much that I decided never to have them. Because I don't want my child to go through the same pain I did.

[@leylamohamed7950]

South Korea is a brutally competitive country, to get a decent life with respect it takes an insane amout of hardwork and sheer luck. Naturally, everyone is bogged down in this brutal game, no time for families.. The good jobs are literally given at birth, social mobility is very limited, looks matter much more than the US or Sweden, just a small slip and your life is done and so is your descendents.. Harsh reality.

[@No0Dle-y9f]

Remember the good old days when 1 income can buy a house, a car and raise 3 children? I don't.

[@sirc1446]

Sounds like a fairy tale

[@yousef858]

@@sirc1446 my father was from that generation, and now i cant even afford to plan of having a kid

[@janchovanec8624]

@@yousef858 Same here. I achieved higher education and work on average 8h per week more than my father, yet the down payment for my mortgage cost more than the house he got. He can afford luxury cars and holidays, I'm happy when I can get a takeout once a month, that's the luxury I can afford.

[@BaronEvola123]

I do. 1 of 4 kids. The Boomers ate everything up, particularly the hippies, who were middle class. The working class were face down in the mud in Vietnam.

[@PopCultureCat]

My dad could do that in the mid 70-ties (Sweden). I think that time is gone for the entire industrialised world now. Leaving a world where a man could support a family was one of our bigger mistakes, n'est-ce pas?

[@OrcCorp]

When a career is more important than family, one tends to die alone without the latter.

[@yacobpinto1214]

It's not a fertility issue, it's an economic issue, why the hell would a rational person want to bring children in the world when you can barely survive even when having high wages?

[@MetalSandman999]

People have been having kids under worse economic conditions for almost all of human history. And in poorer countries, they dtill do.

[@baha3alshamari152]

Because you will live to 60 years old and beyond and the pension system depends on young workers supporting the elderly

[@adamelghalmi9771]

it's not economic, it's social. people have had children in the worst of times, during wars, etc etc

[@NinthSettler]

@@MetalSandman999 yeah but then combine that with the fact south korea is the country in the world with the most death from overwork and some of the longest working hours as well, and you will get to the answer. They literally can't have a family or even date. It's hell on earth, work hard with homelessness aimed at your head for nothing, slave for capitalists till you die from overwork and you're replaced in less than a day.

[@bababababababa6124]

@@MetalSandman999that’s because in poorer countries people have little to no choice. In my country (🇳🇬) people in rural areas have many kids to help with farming or other things. And education and contraception is more limited, resulting in a higher birth rate. Koreans are educated and the need for children just isn’t there

[@cptcarrot6940]

World leaders: "Why aren't people having kids?" Literally the world: " Make having children affordable, and make a world we would want to bring life into"

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

Thats a massive cope. In thise countries were there is maternal capital and huge family subsidies with long parental leave, that does nothing to improve birth rates. Which proves that the problem isnt economic but social in nature. That is also why South Korea throwing money at the problem did not help and will never help

[@g-ray4088]

@@AndRei-yc3ti i think it's a combination of both

[@sr60030]

​@@AndRei-yc3tidude if money was everything needed to be OK why isn't the US doing great. Korea has some unique problems we don't have like colectivism putting a constant pressure on how you act feel and live. Living with the fear of being a failure or sicking out is something we in the west don't live the same way

[@the_hiroman]

Reptile World Leaders: NO THAT WILL AFFECT OUR SSSSSSTOCK PRICESSSSSS!!!!! REEEEEEE

[@mmaty8775]

Money is not the problem. People in Sub-Saharan africa are poor but have 6 children per woman. Money was never the problem. It's always how society views pregnancy and childbirth and what are the priorities of a society. Money won't solve this problem, and never will.

[@shroomyesc]

I feel like the reasons might be similiar to the reasons why South Korea has the highest suicide rate by far out of the richer countries of the world.

[@lyricofwise6894]

Its the elderly doing it

[@Bezimienny1598]

@@lyricofwise6894 Suicide is the cause of more than 50% all deaths among South Koreans below age of 30. It's also the leading cause of death among teens, those in their 20s, and 30s. The elderly might be the biggest contributors to the suicide rate but they are NOT the only demographic doing it. Teens, fucking teenagers die by suicide more than they die of anything else, TEENAGERS. If your teenagers are committing suicide so often that it's the leading case of death for their demographic then I'm sorry to say there are some serious fucking issues in your country.

[@tawsifking9336]

​@@lyricofwise6894as far as I know it's mostly the middle aged working people

[@nuriddinburkhonov5214]

As a foreigner who’s been living in Korea for last 7 years I can say that this was very comprehensive, thank you! Well done!

[@Rolodzeo]

Having watched the video, I now believe that the fact that South Korea's society is going extinct is not a bad thing. All that hypercompetitiveness, nonstop studying and working seems like a living nightmare to me. Not to mention that if you're not the top of the top of the country you can't even afford a house and/or a family. Who would want to live like that?

[@redrock740]

That is exactly how I felt like moving from Nevada to California for graduate school. Very difficult to survive in California vs Nevada. I couldn't wait to move back home to Nevada.

[@diegolopesme]

the north will take the south if the south goes excint

[@awsambdaman]

I mean maybe from a societal wide aspect it’s not a horrible thing. I feel bad saying that because a lot of South Koreans probably still feel pride in their country. And it’s gonna be tough on those who are still around as the population peters out

[@BliTzeDGames]

Such a short sighted view. You have to view these things from a broader global perspective. This is a doomsday scenario for the sovereignty and future of the south korean nation and it's people.

[@redrock740]

@@BliTzeDGames AI will save us from each other. NO need to go to school, study, work, robots will take over.

[@naipe9]

I am foreign that married a Korean, live, work and have toddlers in South Korea and in my view their we have the sickest materialist and unhappy society I'll ever seen. Also I receive the government help for children and I'm grateful for that. But even thought I'm making every effort so my children a great non pressure or competitive childhood but their social trends are so strong that I'll leave here to return to USA or Mexico.

[@lisaschuster686]

Mexico has the strongest marriages on earth, too.

[@LydiaHJR]

강남은 40년전부터 그랬어요 거기서 시작된듯

[@anhadsinha1531]

South Korea: Make more people! 😭 South Koreans : No 🗿

[@Fiercesoulking]

Young South Koreans who doesn't get a job : We leave

[@万恶共匪毒害中华]

Kpop fans : 😭💔

[@Gokul_AKG]

India : Make less people!😭 Indians: No 🗿

[@ankhi6604]

​@@Gokul_AKG Population growth rate has slowed down in India too.

[@Gokul_AKG]

@@ankhi6604 when comparing to most other countries our population declining rate is less.

[@asmith20707]

Exceptionally educational video.

[@domanga]

"South Korea is in fact going extinct" - Caspian Report, 4 days ago.

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

Two leftist bots copying eachother

[@josue5262]

​@@technobladeleakedclips1827wrong

[@absurdandersonouttahere]

​@@technobladeleakedclips1827i bet you miss the old idubbbz

[@captainsnakeye4495]

@@technobladeleakedclips1827 caspian report is not leftist lol

[@hermitcrabdeluxe2176]

Oh good I’m not the only one who noticed that lol

[@SirWhig-esq.]

Don’t tell the North.

[@NinthSettler]

@@SirWhig-esq. The north has always known this is how it was going to end

[@brianhum8765]

Good news that most of the country don't have access to most of the internet. Unfortunately the ruling caste system does.

[@darthjekyll3648]

The leader of DPRK can just say:make more babies.

[@tvdootman27]

they probably know already

[@maplemiles3381]

​@@darthjekyll3648 North Korean women will struggle to make more babies and can't even feed them. "Russia is sending food" but not enough and since covid North Korea has been struggling with food and their economy took a bigger hit from Covid then the famine in the 1990's

[@j.y.8054]

Some good news: In April 2024, the number of babies born in South Korea increased for the first time since 2016 and the number of marriages are up by 25% on year. We'll have to see if this trend continues.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Eh that no where near enough.( They need a Massive Influx of people at this rate North Just has to wait 4 generation and then they can just move in.

[@sonyasever7625]

@@AlbertoMartinez765need for capitalism. Not for people.

[@WrappedOnion]

I was watching Korean news couple days ago, and they said that April 2024 increased by 2.8%, adding 581 additional babies.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4]

With the fertility rate of 0.6, it's probably gonna go up and down several times since a couple thousand birth counts being able to change the graph significantly

[@incredibledn]

more foreigners are moving to korea and korean men are dating them which means they will likely have children

[@Chirimbolos88]

Brilliant documentary. Love your very instructive videos.

[@botatobias2539]

Guys... I think the North may actually stand a chance in the long run.

[@arkimaito1544]

Yeah, if they liberalise the economy, open free and fair elections, open the country for foreign investment, stop absolute reliance on china and normalise relations with other countries, then they might have a small chance.

[@awsambdaman]

Wow I didn’t even think about that..all they have to do is wait

[@ivandankob7112]

Stand a chance in what?

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

large armies aren't everything

[@TheFirstMantoDie]

​@@MichaelSidneyTimpson"... Ideological purity and shiny power armor don't count for much when you're outnumbered 15:1." - Rober Edwin House

[@rapidmonkey3696]

Dude you gotta start looking up synonyms for ‘unprecedented’

[@momob4276]

Nah, that is a good meme for the channel. Heck, he should start selling RealLifeLore merch that says unprecedented on it. LOL I'd buy it.

[@tonytagliatelle9225]

Also vast/vastly

[@justfortyfs3453]

36:12 The reason why Korean men in their 20s believe they're discriminated against, despite the huge wage gap, is because of the huge cultural gap between generations. Along with the rapid economic growth of South Korea during the late 20c, the society and culture have also changed rapidly, from a traditional patriarchal society to a more modernized one. Since the wage gap mostly consists of the gap between older generations, during which women used to be highly discriminated in the working places, the young men consider it more as a remnant of the dark past, rather than the problem they contributed to. Korea has some of the most dramatic generational diversity, so you always have to take that into account. Furthermore, they are required to serve 18~21 months of mandatory military service with insufficient financial compensation. That comes as a bad combination with the still somewhat patriarchal marriage tradition, in which men have to afford housing to marry (and as you saw, housing is expensive in S.K). That is why the current anti-feminist president promised a substantial wage increase for conscripted soldiers during the election, which was one of the reasons why he gained more support from the young men.

[@carpy_1]

여성이 더 적게 일하기 때문에 더 적은 임금을 받습니다.

[@Cha_Sechan-bq5tq]

​@@carpy_1(여자가 같은 일에 동등한 임금을 못 받는 일도 많지만) gender pay gap은 여자가 일을 적게 해서 생긴 문제라고 하더라도 그건 사회가 여자에게 일할 기회를 더 적게 준다는 뜻일뿐입니다.

[@user-sg4zy1re5]

​@@Cha_Sechan-bq5tq 한국의 남성들은 강제로 군대를 갔다오면서 사회생활을 잘하게 된 경우가 많아 기업에서 남자를 더욱 요구하는 것입니다

[@kristinesharp6286]

The young people of today didn’t see their mom slave for grandparents or have to live with them. They think if not in the top 3 ranks they have to work harder. The gov that told them babies a burden for 50 years the reason they think that. 50 years. They are still listening to the dictator.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

The pay gap is a fallacy and leftist propaganda, no-one takes into account that women work less ours, and occupy positions with lower pay, men and women earn the same per hour for a given job period. At maximum there is a pay gap between single childless people and mothers, but even paid paternity leave can't fix that fully.

[@irvingchies1626]

that shirt at 31:57 hits different after watching the whole video "we're the kids who survived"

[@blackgate4735]

What I learned from RLR is that 90 percent of countries have existential problems

[@lunatickoala]

The other 10 percent are going to have existential problems in the near future.

[@fiiral5870]

It’s almost as if a lot of countries are facing unprecedented problems

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@fiiral5870 it's almost as if infinite growth isn't possible or something

[@malcolm_mal2055]

​@@matheussanthiago9685 no way *surprised pikachu face*

[@darthparallax5207]

It's almost as if America is the most well off country in the world we're just really obnoxious sore winners and mega rude about it

[@downrightmike]

This appears to happen when productivity doesn't equal prosperity. You see it in the USA where the stats were rising post WW2 and then crashed in the 1970's when Nixon allowed good US MFG jobs to be moved to China.

[@AbdulBido]

This is such a profoundly effective comment at addressing the issue in as little words as possible. 👏

[@crescent4996]

Both sides of the establishment in the US have been committed to outscoring jobs (globalist based greed) and wealth away from the middle class for over 30 years now, that's why populist parties are rising on both sides.

[@ayochill9716]

This is happening in so many developed countries right now, people can’t keep up with the cost of living and raising families, so people are spending their time and whatever money they have on themselves instead of children.

[@redrock740]

I think COVID lockdowns showed people how utterly difficult it is to have kids when you don't have a job, you can't take your kids to school, and you can't even visit the grandparents for fear of spreading a deadly virus. No one knows when the next virus will makes its way into society again, so we are living it up like we don't believe we are ever safe again from another pandemic happening in the near future. Hence there is no future, hence no children.

[@butterfox7442]

Their philosophy "Buy a dog and die alone"

[@Boppy00]

It's just an excuse, usually the poorest people have the highest birth rates

[@quillo2747]

Promoting careers for women instead of families and kids collapses the birth rate.

[@Praisethesunson]

​@@Boppy00When you have nothing to lose why not

[@harshiramani7274]

Damn that was such a well researched video, you got a new subscriber😮