Why Super Saiyan 3 and Blue are Useless?!

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[@peterprokopiuk4921]

Another suggestion I've heard for Blue, which I much prefer, is have it's appearances be few and far between, but utterly unstoppable during, due to it being very difficult to achieve the TRANQUIL state of mind necessary. And have it's only weakness be that if you get too emotional, you lose it; no rage boosts allowed.

[@mrholeio3060]

So basically what Ultra Instinct was but with Blue. Pretty good idea.

[@literallygodzilla1230]

i had something similar but stupider, i suggest that super sayian blue should've stayed in resurrection F but with frieza's comeback, vegeta would be the first one to get it due to him wanting to avenge the sayian race + his demotional hate towards the emperor. would be a lil cool to see vegeta to obtain it first due to his hatred as it is just super sayian but with god ki

[@discodjdj2300]

@@Leostar-Regalius did you actually read the comment?

[@xenoxtrollik4150]

Kinda ui

[@freashswagg1]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@dragongamer4210]

SSj3 just too powerful even the animators get tired.

[@VoidDweller86]

From what I can understand, Super Saiyan Blue pretty much just so happens to be a Super Saiyan with God Ki Energy, nothing more nothing less.

[@angelfernandez7607]

@@VoidDweller86that’s literally what it is idiot

[@alternatecheems8145]

Super saiyan 3 is geared more towards fusions since fusions have near infinite ki, and it's also harder to animate

[@LestatandBerial]

@@alternatecheems8145not really. In fact fusions can actually be so strong they burn through the time faster.

[@alternatecheems8145]

@@LestatandBerial Even though they are limited by time, they display the capacity to utilise a near infinite amount of ki for that period. If you notice, even trunks and goten have only gone ssj3 as a fusion, and it's the same with vegeta.

[@jurrell1986]

I think toriyama created ssj3 as it was meant to be a powerful state but he realized how annoying it would be to draw the hair so he instantly regretted his decision and just made up an excuse for why he didn't fully use the form like he should considering it was next in line in terms of power

[@CopiousStarch]

Considering Toriyama I wouldn’t be surprised if this was actually the case

[@MaxGutt98]

More like the animators of super didn't want to draw it. There are tons of SSJ3 in DBZ and a bit in GT because animators were actually good.

[@ProRobocopTV]

I doubt it the way that they do it on sdbh for cumber is crazy I feel like they have plans for it in the future.

[@CopiousStarch]

@@ProRobocopTV that’s like saying that Goku’s gonna use MUI x Kaioken bcz he did in Death Battle, SDBH might as well be fan material with how it is, despite how cool it may be

[@wildyato3737]

Toriyama destroyed Saiyan'd legacy with their core.. rather promoting God transformation

[@callmealex69]

"Im not strong enough. Rawr!" "Behold my super ultra blue instinct kaio ken times a million"

[@user-lo6iq2lu1g]

“loses anyway because that shit never works”

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

😂​@@user-lo6iq2lu1g

[@TheChosenAkuma]

Why does it matter if the form doesn’t beat a main villain tho? At least they have an extra powerup

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

@@TheChosenAkuma i never understand what ppl mean by form beating someone, its a Multiplier, it cant fight, what matters is the base form power

[@mayoactual2065]

@@TheChosenAkumabut the problem is that every time a new transformation was introduced in dbz, it always rocked a villains shit. The original Super Saiyan immediately pounded Freeza, and SS2 completely outclassed Perfect Cell. Even SS3 was too much for Majin Buu, and Super Vegito (yes I count that as a transformation) beat Super Buu, and could’ve beat Kid Buu easily if there wasn’t a limit. The issue of new transformations not beating main villains was only in DBS, where SSG lost to Beerus when he was only using 30% of his power, and the reveal for SSB was overshadowed by the fact that they almost died to Gold Freeza. It just makes the form seem unnecessary compared to the sheer power that the original SS transformation had

[@ChristianJ18]

I think one of the biggest complaints with modern dragon ball is the fact they put too many transformations. For instance ssj god was only important in the beerus arc. It was quickly ignored focusing on ssj blue for about most of super anime. I think ssj god should had been main focused with another enemy after beerus.

[@Leostar-Regalius]

for me it's that the forms are BORING, ssb is super saiyan with blue hair dye, MUI, goku got his hair dyed white, ego vegeta dyed his hair purple, saiyan god is basically kaioken but it dyes the hair red and puts in red contacts, THEY ARE LAZY, it's one reason why i will choose SS4 over any of them even if it's proven SS4 isn't as strong, which ironic since SS4 has won every fight it's been part of minus omega shenron

[@TakeshiInazuma]

​​​@@Leostar-Regaliusing a recolor doesn't make it lazy. Stop this nonsense. SSJ by your logic, was an excuse for Toriyama to be lazy. Also stop bringing up SSJ4. It's the only form not made by Toriyama, and has nothing to do with Blue.also you're wrong. SSJ4 lost to Super 17, and it mostly got its ass, handed to it. It only beat Bebi, Eis, and Naturon Shenron. No one else.

[@hippydragonnslayerxdlmaohi3921]

@@TakeshiInazuma it beat everyone except 17 and omega lol, and ssj4 actually has wins unlike blue

[@currito1013]

​@@hippydragonnslayerxdlmaohi3921 SSB beat Golden Frieza, Hit, Rosè Goku Black, DBS Broly, the list goes on

[@The-Spanish-Inquisition490]

​@@TakeshiInazuma it is very lazy, I fact the writing in super is "super lazy" For instance frieza in the RoF has made so much uncanon to make itself canon because of conflicting timelines, and its literally just a retelling of an old story but with different colour hair. LAZY. Then theres the who Broly and Whis issue.... why is Goku training Broly when he's to scared to actually fight him? (Proved in Super Hero) Goku tell broly to sit out of training because broly lost his temper.... it's a fight even vegeta lost his temper countless times.... what? Scared he's going to blow up a galaxy? Whis has the power to turn back time!! On the subject of Whis why isn't he training broly the same way he trained vegeta?? Whis created a pocket dimension so vegeta could master his energy and obtain God ki with no hazards to any surroundings.... I.e blowing up a galaxy.... The reason? Because Broly with God ki mathematically is 2 trillion times stronger than Toryama's cheat code (gogeta blue) in others words they have to hinder broly because he's too freaking strong for the super arc...... because of lazy writing. I could go on with why super is super lazy but I think I've made it abundantly clear.

[@spongeman3806]

"Because now I'm mad, I'm REallY rEALLY MAD! AND NOW; IT'S TIME, TO PAAAY...!!!"

[@LapisAndroid17ParkRanger]

Zamasu: Yeh Yeh, I know you don't like money.

[@fancymustache3793]

​@@LapisAndroid17ParkRangerZamasu really be like "Taxes am I right?"

[@Cringe_Doctor]

Best rage moment

[@Lightpaladin720]

fans: Didn't beat a main villain so useless.

[@Claytonbeastboy]

The point is it just looked cool, it didnt add anything to the series. Nor any impact on the fights as its lost nearly every fight the form has been used in. So cool, but by definition useless

[@Evilmax99]

if you litteraly leave ssj god intead of blue , litteraly nothing changes , so yes , blue is useless

[@Lightpaladin720]

@@Evilmax99 because you didn't see it beat a main villain

[@Evilmax99]

@@Lightpaladin720 not only for that , but becouse It doesn't add nothing , It Is only claimed as "Is more powerfull than God " and the end , What i am saying you don't Need somebody to explaing that ssj 2 Is more powerfull than ssj1 , Just by looking at it you get that is faster and stronger , ssj Blue doesnt give any vibe and any difference in any sense or form , Just bring back ssj1 at this point

[@ssjbread2803]

So Vegito is useless?

[@deshornanthony]

Ssj3 and ssj4 will always be my fave

[@wildyato3737]

The tail makes.me fear 👀

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Same

[@Kmoney3211]

SSJ4 is best form fight me >:p

[@93alepb]

Same!!

[@twossj4monke]

Short answer: They defeated only a single enemy canon. Goku killed frieza in ssb and SSJ3 defeaed trunks and they consume a lot energy.

[@seaking9283]

Blue would've defeated kefla if he wasn't drained

[@dragonleeman1283]

Fight ain’t really count tbh

[@Leostar-Regalius]

that doesn't count because VEGETA BEAT FRIEZA, goku just stole the kill, and technically it was also a loss since freiza destroyed everything, and trunks is mid outside that false SSB form, the only win blue truly has is broly because of fusion and toppo(BARELY)

[@Leostar-Regalius]

​@@seaking9283 which is funny since goku originally didn't even fight her, gohan did

[@44Jess453]

​@@seaking9283 I'm pretty sure piccolo said UI against Kefla was stronger than the UI Goku turned for the 1st time against Jiren

[@daith_izumi]

I believe they debunked the usefulness of SSGSS in the Tournament of Power arc, and in the manga during the U6vsU7 tournament and the Goku Black arc with Vegeta fighting Goku Black using Super Saiyan God and Goku using Mastered SSGSS against merged Zamasu. But the form has gone downhill because it was overused in the anime and it just lacked value overtime to us as fans. But now it’s overwhelmed by the non Saiyan transformations. Edit: Also, Rest in peace Super Saiyan 3. As a form, you looked legendary and had such a legendary debut. Plus Wrath of the Dragon and Fusion Reborn will always be my top DBZ movies despite them being not canon. And Super Saiyan 3 is one of my most used forms in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2. But if you’re saying this about Super Saiyan 3, you might as well say this about Super Saiyan 2.

[@Leostar-Regalius]

well, rip until the U6 saiyans get it, because let's face it, they aren't getting trained by chammpa

[@drumo2273]

​@@abnarayan8391 It's less that the form is useless (I mean, it is the strongest form they have as is aside from ui/ue), but that they *feel* useless. They already had a bad rep for replacing ssg so quickly, and like you said, they've hardly won any fights since their debut. Any good moment with the forms has exclusively been with add-ons like kaioken/fusion with the exception of Goku backhanding Zamasu because that shit was cathartic. So yeah, in the show, they're definitely useful forms, but for us, they kinda blow.

[@Why1sThisAthing]

Don't worry cause ui/mui is gonna take ssjb's place as jobber form soon

[@ultraomenmurat9937]

​@Max basically the Granolah Arc

[@Why1sThisAthing]

@@ultraomenmurat9937 UE Vegeta got it even worse cause it's literally debut of his new transformation and he is already jobbing

[@fabianflores899]

Just imagine ssj3 blue

[@goodnesswhy]

Well, SSR3 exists so it's not hard to imagine.

[@wildyato3737]

We need tail ...to master SSJ3 part of SSR3

[@Crimson_Masked_Saiyan]

Well it's not hard to do SSJR3 exists so it's possible

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Already exist, but rose color

[@davidson2727what]

@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatmanit’s rosé

[@michaelbarnes2126]

They DEFINITELY should have expanded on SSG before unveiling SSB. Always liked the way they set up the SSG transformation it had great potential to be expanded upon in its uses and benefits just look at the Broly movie damnit smh

[@jasonone8726]

It was used in the Black arc manga also.

[@taariqenglish4161]

it would have been cool for Goku to have and utilize ssg while vegeta went on to unlock ssb,to have them each go down there own respective paths of power from there. Goku unlocking ssg Kaio ken and vegeta reaching ssb evolution, Goku attaining ultra instinct , vegeta with ultra ego and so forth.

[@alexandrosandreou8585]

Not how this works

[@_Yombo]

Vegeta would have a big advantage over Goku until they unlocked their Ultra forms if it was like this

[@RoronoaZoR_]

So vegeta basically would have 1 more form and would be more powerful than goku 🥱

[@AlterEgoQuake]

they're saying ssb should have been Vegeta's parallel to Goku's ssg instead of a higher level of ssg. i at least agree that a super Saiyan version of super Saiyan god was dumb, but i honestly think it should had just been ssg being what ultra instinct is now, a godly unlock Goku cant actively control, but the goal through DBS for Goku and vegeta is to truly attain super Saiyan god as they train with Whis. I personally believe every arc could otherwise stay the same and the entire series could have been more interesting.

[@cslack813]

@@AlterEgoQuake I like you’re idea! I think they are doing this with ego and mui. They can’t seem to commit to the silver/purple hair tho

[@CaptainAlex69]

I keep saying this. Red hair = Saiyan God. Blue hair = Super Saiyan God. SSJB should have only been unlocked during a near death situation.

[@ELITExFLASH]

Glad I wasn’t the only one

[@thunderstrike995]

Nope, Red = Super Saiyan God Blue = Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Idk why it's that but it is what it is

[@RoronoaZoR_]

⁠@@thunderstrike995 SSGSS

[@morkegamer]

No, they should have made it similar to when goku first unlocked SSJ. SSJB is basically super saiyan god plus super Saiyan.

[@CaptainAlex69]

@@morkegamer no, the first time Goku went SSJ, it was honestly boring as hell. It looked cool and it's super iconic and I love it, but I'm imagining something super flashy that would fit the theme of Dragon Ball Super.

[@evilkingstanley]

I love when they choose to make "draining stamina" the drawback for things lol. It just means the writers will have it lose whenever convenient.

[@tjl3979]

I always thought it would be cool if every color SS transformation represented a different form of ki. Red for death, blue for life, purple for destruction, green for chaos, ect. Give each form different abilities on top of the power up. Plus it would explain why different ki attacks are different colors. Ki conversation techniques or something like that. As it currently stands, all transformations do is sell merch

[@vladdostupidthings6549]

Nahh that'd be too crazy Foreshadowing would be easily spotted

[@vladdostupidthings6549]

What they should do is be more creative by using more techniques n shit

[@Kmoney3211]

I wish it was cause of this toriyama definitely didn’t do that

[@chrisbridges7408]

SS3 is the best looking transformation. Plus dont forget about the music that played the first time it was used.

[@trevorhough9515]

The faulconer soundtrack 🤘

[@tentaplayz3691]

I wonder how it sounded in Japanese? 🤔

[@blackspiderman1887]

Super Saiyan 4 has entered the chat

[@soullessginger9912]

This is what it means to go even further beyond.

[@KINGPLO-]

​@blackspiderman1887 ssj4 ain't Canon + isn't created by toriyama

[@andria1909]

I agree with the SSB one. They made a cool new transformation SSG and then just disregarded it almost completely.

[@DADRB0B55]

SSG was never cool

[@Caindanger]

Ssjb goku: whaaaaat?! Ssj3 goku: oh my beerus... Ssjb3 goku: *DEVASTATING STARE*

[@kylecorrales9962]

The one thing I never understood about Ssj3 was when did he learn he could do it? When did he practice it? The reason it doesn't make sense is when Goku showcases it to Buu, we see the whole world shaking, everyone is shocked and even king Kai could feel it in the after life. If it had that much of an impact on the universe, when could he have attained the transformation without alerting everyone in existence?

[@ramondejesus65]

True...

[@jasonone8726]

King Kai was already observing the battle.

[@grandstasis1878]

I thought it was always something like Goku knew about ssj3 or at least knew of something beyond ssj2 while training in the afterlife and when he faced off against Buu it was his first time actually trying to go beyond. I don’t even think Goku knew he could really pull it off against Buu in the first place

[@XenonKirito]

It was stated by Goku that he was able to achieve it in the otherworld Maybe due to specific reasons no one else was able to sense it? Toriyama has been known for his inconsistency so I'm not surprised that he forgot or only added that small detail after finishing the scripts.

[@XenonKirito]

@@grandstasis1878 It was stated by goku that he was able to achieve it in the other world where King Kai knew about it but he only achieved it because he was dead.

[@kage1573]

Super Saiyan Blue is still extremely useful due to being able to hold its own against stronger opponents while also being able to mix different techniques with it to boost its usability like Kaioken or UI. Super Saiyan 3 likely still has stamina issues while also having forms that are stronger than it while also having better ki and stamina control which makes it difficult to be as useful as other forms.

[@ilovepizza477]

ontop of that ssj3 isn’t even needed anymore because they’ve mastered ssj

[@Kareemisag]

​@@ilovepizza477 but what would happen if the mastered ssj3

[@BigMoneyFatRats248]

​@@Kareemisag probably would have a little stamina problem but not huge maybe

[@kage1573]

@@Kareemisag That is a possibility if they did something similar like mastered super saiyan blue with containing the energy in the body without letting any leak out but it would seem that this would work better with Goten, Trunks or the universe 6 Saiyans due to the other Saiyans having stronger forms and techniques to rely on in fights.

[@bodhisattva-p]

@@Kareemisag ssj3 would still be useless because SS God has healing factor and no major flaws

[@marcocartaerainnocente7374]

Would’ve been cool if ssj3 had a system of his own, like not a simple multiplier, more like a time limited transformation that has the major ki output (since it drains a lot of stamina) out of all his transformation, meaning that he would hit the hardest, but with a lot of draw backs

[@FercPolo]

100% the way I thought it worked my whole life. That SSJ3 was a Nuclear Bomb version, SSJ2 was the "Perfected SSJ" and SSJ 1 and Ascended were just continuations of the transformation that enables SSJ to begin with.

[@gamingboi1158]

my friend had the same idea for the better introduction for blue

[@McGoofy1001]

I also wish they would've waited for blue til Zamasu, too. Although I would've revealed it during the fight with black. I always took Goku Black's base form to be more of a god form, making rose equivilant to regular super saiyan. Having Black be completely on par with super saiyan god would have allowed that fight to stretch a little longer, adding immortal zamasu later on. Goku Black would be able to beat back God Goku as he reveals himself to be a god. Goku would bounce back in super saiyan, revealing the form to Goku Black for the first time. Goku Black would unlock Rose, which would cause Vegeta to realize that he could stack Super Saiyan with God. The win should have either been Vegeta's, or shared with Trunks. Golden Frieza arc would be placed after, revealing Goku in Blue. The two of them should have been tag team knockout for this fight. I just think the two of them arguing from time to time about which one finished Golden Frieza would be a funny recurring joke.

[@Opheebop-Productions]

Having SSJB being revealed when Zamasu says that he killed Goku’s family would feel a bit….familiar…

[@xthbullet]

did you mean Krilin...? DID YOU MEAN KRILIN??!!!

[@Opheebop-Productions]

@@xthbullet yeah, that moment

[@wildyato3737]

Whis did mentioned it to don't leak your energy... that's why he sent in such realm (were fog of dense God Ki) ..where Goku and vegeta can't move around until they gets calm and *conserve energy within* rather *expel from body*

[@Patrick-nf4ri]

Ssb is already a redo of ssj. While fighting against final form Frieza to save his friends, Goku transforms to match Frieza's power. Later, once Frieza is outmatched, he destroys the planet, just like namek

[@shamarcole86]

“GOKU! ARE YOU FINISHED??!?!?” Man I love that scene so much 😭

[@cipherP9]

I personally think Dragonball kept dropping these new forms because other anime’s started having unique transformations and they wanted to beat them to it. Super Saiyan God form looks like Guy’s 8 Gates mode and Goku UI form looks like Luffy’s Gear 5th.

[@brennon1773]

Draining to the animators stamina was hilarious 😆

[@kaushalprime1591]

Now soon, Toriyama will introduce "Super Saiyan Gold" which overcomes the drawbacks of Super Saiyan Blue. 🗿

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Would you like to upgrade to Super Saiyan Platinum for an extra $10?

[@Star_of_Dark7214]

​@@SomeRandomJackAss Super Saiyan Dimond too?

[@Calvinplayz-yt6eu]

super saiyan purple?

[@jacqueenofthenight]

​@@Calvinplayz-yt6euyou mean Ulta ego? 😉 Lol

[@Calvinplayz-yt6eu]

@@jacqueenofthenight maybe yea xd

[@Jallenpoe]

SSB is like a stabilizer before the next stage. Earthing increases but not much is draining of the energy. You can also combine Blue wit any technique as it becomes a base form i.e SSB Kaiokenx10. Great form but yes. It should be used less ... it's very similar to SS2 where you can hold the power in longer to train, move around etc while in the form to become stronger.

[@adyelnoyhadryel7930]

I think a good idea would be, is to have Goku train his ssj3. Similarly how golden Frieza did it for his golden form. Because if I remember, training base forms makes other transformations stronger. Well what is training ssj3 to it's max, will unlock another hidden key?

[@jasiahhaye8317]

this was what they did to introduce SS2.

[@tentaplayz3691]

When I pause it, it gives me tinnitus

[@RazorGodGuy]

I believe that it should've been like this: Blue isn't introduced in Resurrection F. Instead, we could've had SSG Goku and Vegeta fight together against Golden Frieza, where they would catch a glimpse of Blue (instead of getting it during their training). Goku could temporarily power up into Blue during the U6 Tournament, but he would ultimately unlock it in the Black arc Edit: In the tournament, Goku would be able to use Blue for a very short amount of time, like Blue Kaio Ken. In the Black arc, Vegeta has that amount of control over Blue, and Goku has progressed further, but they've yet to receive the push required to fully unlock Blue Edit 2: Actually, no. Since Final Form Frieza could go toe to toe with Goku in his God-like Saiyan state, which is basically SSG, and was able to overpower Blue in his Golden form (but lost due to him not having trained it), a God tag team would still not work. That being said, it could be that Frieza possibly kills someone like Bulma, making Vegeta awaken Blue temporarily and kill Frieza, or Vegeta would give Goku time to travel to the Sacred World of the Kai, retrieve the potara and fuse with Vegeta, since they would recognize Frieza as a foe whom they wouldn't be able to beat, and Vegeta would swallow his pride if it was to save his family (as was the case in the Broly arc, even though the dance was known to be temporary). I don't think that Vegeta would hesitate, even if they didn't know that the mortal fusion is temporary, so God Vegito would be born and defeat Frieza in a short amount of time before defusing soon afterwards. Vegeta would curse a bit since he wouldn't have the chance to kill Frieza himself

[@ssjbread2803]

No, that god-like Saiyan state isn't nearly the same thing as God, or else we would have never seen God again. Regardless, removing blue and putting Golden Frieza at God power would not change the narrative at all

[@Henkita2]

Honestly, now that 3d dragon ball that doesn’t drain the animator’s stamina is a thing, i hope that we get more super saiyan 3 and oozaru content

[@RockerDefeater]

Hope you keep going strong,Noble!

[@theresnorice]

that reveal for blue during the black arc wouldve actually been a good concept thinking abt it now

[@fredricorosenfield9976]

Neither one is particularly useful or useless. But this video had given me something to think about. Maybe one day when I'm not freaking chained down to my adult responsibilities I can go back and rewatch the series and evaluate carefully. SS3 is only as powerful as Toriyama allows it to be. It's only whipped out when him and the Bois feel like we haven't seen it in a while. I need to learn more about SSB before I judge that one. I'm actually looking forward to this in a way. Wasn't SSB's main selling point Better KI control or something?

[@yuugur666]

It drains stamina a ton faster because the force of their ki is so incredibly strong and leaks out, same as ssj3. Idk about in the anime, but the manga rewrote a lot of things to actually be more consistent and make sense.

[@dunstik8842]

A lot of people say Blue is useless considering it doesn't win often. But uh, Kaioken only has one win too and it's considerably worse, more drain, more damage taken, less of a boost.

[@hammythewammy]

Yeah but Kaioken has had significantly less hype and screentime. Plus it's a stackable technique, not a transformation. Kaioken with its one win is more forgivable considering Goku is its only user, and uses it at the end of the Saiyan arc and briefly against Frieza and Ginyu. Before picking it up again in super and using it with Blue. Which, still, rarely helps any. The best it has going for it is stacking techniques on top of it with less drainage. But even that hasn't managed to get Goku a single notable win.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Kaioken was a gimmick created so that Vegeta could be ridiculously powerful but still lose to Goku. Embodying and displaying the difference between hard work and natural talent. The Kaioken has served its purpose

[@abnarayan8391]

@@hammythewammy So are we counting vegetas ssb too ?

[@AChimp196]

And SSJ2 only defeated Cell.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

Eh I'd argue he beat Ginyu AND Vegeta with it too, Ginyu bullshitted his way out of that fight.

[@Kaileb984]

That's actually a really good take on the Ssg blue transformation. Please keep making quality content 🗿🍷

[@StrikeTheSkyline]

Your voice sounds like Crispin Freeman, really cool!

[@Regis_ru]

Nah nah.... if blue was introduced in Zamasu arc, we will get another shouting and boom new form again type of thing. Blue is a delicate form, fusing control of god ki and aggresive super saiyan emotion into one, they need a proper training for this to happen

[@clutchgaming_roblox334]

No I think it would be introduced that they were training for a new form in zamasu arc goku tapped into it because he gets mad in super saiyan god

[@_Yombo]

It should have been introduced in the Universe 6 arc imo

[@zoraxseven6522]

This man said blue is a delicate form like goku didnt slap kaioken on top of it. There isn't a single delicate thing ssb has ever done.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

@@zoraxseven6522 I've always been under the impression that it has do w/ Goku's mastery of over the incredibly volitile from. Goku can stack Kaioken on top Super Saiyan because him and Gohan trained in the Room of Spirit and Time to make the super saiyan state feel natural to them. He' straight up taking a fuckin nap in SSJ during the cell saga.

[@ChouRaiyuki]

The concept of the form IMO is fine and the aura and the sound it has in the anime are both great. I agree it didn't need to be introduced in a different arc. What I think needed to happen was for the anime to have more arcs between the movie retellings instead of rushing to ROF as quickly as possible. That way Blue debuts the same as it did but God has some more time to shine. That and do like the manga where the "absorbing it's power" thing doesn't happen because the moment that happened in it's debut film it was already screwed.

[@ksv_saiyanbladeksv402]

when Goku fought Fat Buu he said he could win but chose not to as he was simply buying time for Trunks, not trying to win. and just cause a form doesn't win you a fight, it gave you a fighting chance to get to that point in the fight. My bet is if Goku wasn't at Super Saiyan 3, Kid Buu would have stopped playing around with him and just killed him cause he would have been too boring to fight as just a Super Saiyan 2. Therefore there wouldn't have been a spirit bomb to Erase Kid buu

[@AhsimNreiziev]

Also, didn't Goku transform back into SSJ3 at the final push to get the Spirit Bomb to kill Kid Buu?

[@zacharyfrierson6972]

No Goku only went SSJ to do that.

[@rafdor5131]

@@AhsimNreiziev he only went SSJ but I see your point.

[@enenra6417]

I forgot ssj god was a thing

[@PKFALLS]

Can’t goku train ss3 to be perfected? I mean he has ultra instinct now, he’s come along way since he first unlocked ss3. He would probably know how to control the ki leakage and keep all the energy of ss3 better then before, because now he handilng god ki. So I feel like if he really wanted to, ss3 can easily be great again

[@yuugur666]

Goku, maybe not. If Vegeta ever tried to go ssj3 at this point (manga) and succeeded, he'd be able to do it far better

[@goodnesswhy]

He absolutely can perfect it, but the animators won't allow it lol. For evidence, just look up Mastered SS3 which is achieved by Cumber.

[@bachhongoc6461]

He can, but with SSJG and SSJB being way to OP for normal Super Saiyan forms, not to mention MUI, it wouldn't really make sense for Goku to perfect an inferior form like SSJ3. Tho he did get to a point that he can go SSJ3 in a flash now, and it had proved itself being an useful form for an immediate power outburst, like how he transformed to deal with Caulifa and Kale's attack. But overall, at this point the form is only serve as a way for Goku to flex lol

[@PKFALLS]

@@bachhongoc6461 fair point it wouldn’t make sense, yeah. But it just feels wasted you know?. If I had a form that I didn’t perfect long ago, and the current me has all these other good/better forms I already mastered. I’d actually still go back and perfect the one that I couldn’t completely get a hold of, because I’m stronger now then I was before. At the end of the day though, I’m not the writer. It’s just an idea that’s been in my head. Like “can’t Goku technically do that now” lol. But SS3 is a pain in the animator’s asses too, so there’s that.

[@RaphBlade7]

People seem to forget that Gogeta was able to dominate LSSJ Broly in his Super Saiyan Blue form & likely would have killed him if not for Cheelai wishing Broly back to Vampa! Clearly Super Saiyan Blue gave him the edge he needed to overwhelm Broly! Also Super Saiyan Blue Vegito only lost due to not knowing the form's power put too much strain on the Potara reducing the fusion time (personally I think he should have started with Super Saiyan God & worked his way up to SSGSS, similar to how Gogeta started with Super Saiyan before going SSGSS, as I think going SSGSS right after fusing was what did then in)!

[@supermegadong7597]

Well that’s blue in fusion bro,no one forgot you just are pointing out dumb shit lol. Base gotanks was extremely strong after fusion so no shit blue would be too

[@ShadowSlayerSD5]

This

[@raidenimpact7885]

Well it’s all gogeta the literally win con character. In movies or cannon or both , he will never lose a fight

[@ShadowSlayerSD5]

@@raidenimpact7885 I would like to see him struggle a little at least once on the verge of losing then bust out either UI or UE then wipe the floor

[@ssjbread2803]

​​@@ShadowSlayerSD5r both, swapping between the two. UI can also function outside of transformations which Goku has shown off during the Granolah Arc and it gets easier as he powers up. Gogeta could easily use UI to dodge attacks he otherwise couldn't and UE to tank hits UI can't dodge, combining UI's precision and UE's raw power output.

[@Romayf11]

thank you, i said this when i first saw the goku black arc.

[@jasonone8726]

Even though in the Black arc, Blue Goku was able to take on Merged Zamasu in the manga? 😂

[@GeekHero_Bubba]

SSJ3 uses gas like a Hummer

[@motornoise5830]

A headcanon I always had about ssj3 is that it's similar to the original super saiyan there are steps to mastering it and only then you can use it with no stamina drain but sadly the form got left in the dust. If they are going down the route of giving all the fighters form since their fusion has mastered it I think Goten and Trunks could find a way to make ssj3 useable

[@bradleyauminio98]

Fuse the two forms to make them useful done gang 🤟🏿

[@AllMight6]

I’m mean still be less useful than blue Kaioken because ssj3 is only 8x stronger than ssj

[@xXSonTJXx]

This video is just factually wrong about Blue losing every fight when it has extreme amount of Ws what are you talking about???

[@xmace6206]

Why is bro here 💀

[@xXSonTJXx]

@@xmace6206 ?

[@xmace6206]

@@xXSonTJXx love your videos man.

[@xXSonTJXx]

@@xmace6206 Thank you!

[@FrankCosbyNo-Relation]

Maybe toriyama just wanted to put out as much as he could in his later years RIP

[@Arachninja752]

Aside from their lack of wins, both forms also share a very crucial flaw that contributes to their lack of impact. They're both achieved off screen. Transformations in Dragon Ball are more than just a cheap power up. They usually represent a major milestone in a character's development. As a result, they feel earned, and they end up being an integral part of the character who earned them. In the case of Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan Blue, we're TOLD that they were earned, but we're never shown how. That makes them feel far more cheap. In contrast, look at Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Ultra Instinct. Would these forms be as popular as they are if they were just earned off screen? If the characters just had them? What if Gohan just unlocked Super Saiyan 2 in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Wouldn't that be such a frustrating let down? Well that's what they did with 3 and Blue. It's no wonder these forms feel so hollow compared to every other form in Dragon Ball.

[@DJPrimeAmvs]

Yeah but are we seriously gonna spend episodes trying to develop a transformation everytime they wanna introduce a new one? Thays repetitive as hell. Imagine before we even got to the Bui Saga we had a mini arc showing how goku got ssj3..when the whole point was to be surpised by what goku had in his pocket. Sometimes offscreen is better

[@shadowking2153]

We literally see goku and vegeta train to get blue

[@Th3Sandwich]

A canon movie for both would've done its peace

[@Arachninja752]

@@DJPrimeAmvs I do see your point, however I must point out that Super Saiyan 2 wasn't built up to at all (at least in terms of the form itself), but was still achieved on screen and was very much still tied to Gohan's character development. You don't NEED a mini arc of training or foreshadowing to justify a transformation, that's not what makes them feel earned. It's how they represent character growth that make them feel earned, and it's hard to tie a transformation to a character's growth if you don't show what they had to do in order to unlock it. I will say, I think Super Saiyan 3 does deserve a little bit of a pass. Like you said, part of its appeal was its surprise. More importantly though (to me at least), it never fully replaced its predecessors because of its lack of stamina efficiency. It never became the new standard transformation, but was instead saved as a last resort, and characters were punished for overusing it. This weakness also serves to make the form stand out compared to the other forms of Super Saiyan. In the case of Blue though, there's no excuse. There is no serious downside to using it, the surprise factor fell flat, and worst of all, it DID become the new standard transformation. It rendered all previous forms obsolete the SECOND it was introduced. "Doesn't every new transformation do that though?" Well, sort of, but they do it better. Super Saiyan did render Kaioken obsolete, but unlike Blue, Super Saiyan was MORE interesting than the forms it replaced. Super Saiyan 2 did render the original Super Saiyan obsolete, but in the case of Gohan, it was a more narratively important form to him than the original Super Saiyan. In the case of everyone else, it looked exactly the same as the original Super Saiyan, so it felt less like a replacement and more like an enhancement. Super Saiyan 3, as I said, didn't replace any previous forms at all, instead occupying an interesting niche as a form that had to be benched until it was absolutely needed. Super Saiyan God also didn't replace any previous forms upon its debut, because Goku had yet to master it. Super Saiyan Blue though? There was no downside, no narrative build up, and it was mastered as soon as it debuted. There was no longer any real need to use the previous forms. Yes, they did still use the original 3 Super Saiyans every so often, but only when they either couldn't or didn't want to go all out. Yes, they did try to give Super Saiyan God some utility by saying it used less stamina than Blue, in the very last arc of Super. At that point though, it was too little too late. Not to mention, that supposed utility RARELY actually comes into play. So now we're stuck with this bland, unimportant, ridiculously named, blatant asspull of a form until Goku and Vegeta master their new forms, and Blue gets fully replaced. I for one cannot wait for that to happen, so I never have to see that glorified palette swap ever again. Do I sound salty? I'm a little salty. I genuinely hate Super Saiyan Blue. No hate to anyone who loves it, of course. This is obviously all just my opinion, and I'd be genuinely interested to hear the viewpoint of anyone who likes Blue.

[@Arachninja752]

@@shadowking2153 Sure, but my point is we didn't see them actually ACHIEVE it for the first time.

[@SpeezyOTB]

Moving forward, the God forms should be ignored and instinct and ego should be the next level of power

[@Its_prime_time_bitch]

"I remember how much of a strain super Saiyan 3 put on me😔"

[@sumbdumbfoo]

I always thought it was about control of the power. Ss3 was a new technique on reveal and blue seems like a stepping-off stage form

[@theemeraldninja5038]

SSJ3 wasn't given enough time to cook(and the animators wanted to be rid of it asap). SSB can't be defended

[@Sarge327]

Blue is absolutely not useless in regards to itself. But if you really want to get technical, every form beside their current strongest forms are useless since they don’t have any drawbacks at the moment. Edit: Here’s a list I made of everyone that has been beat by SSB, it’s definitely more than one person and I might have missed some people too. Freeza Frost Trunks Nink (Some dude from U9) Bergamo Lavender Basil Magetta Zirloin (from U2) Zarbuto (from U2) Rabanra (still from U2) Broly

[@cipherP9]

They definitely have too many transformations, ss3 would be okay if they didn’t make so many after it. Now that they have more form, I think SS1 should just max out around Buu level and they could just go to God & Blue after that.

[@asphyxia8396]

i feel like it would’ve made way more sense too because it’s ssj stacked on god ki, and ik nowadays ssj is just a tingle in your back but when goku first got it it was out of rage so having that amount of raged while in god form would’ve made sense to me at least and been cooler

[@anthonyfarris700]

Super sayian 3 wouldn't drain if he practiced being in the state the same way he did with regular super sayian in the cell saga. If he didn't unlock super sayian blue he wouldn't be able to compete with the enemies which are on God levels literally. Neither forms are useless and nothing that was said really proved anything.

[@robertjr8205]

Literally. I hate the fact that if he didn’t meet beerus he wouldn’t have kept up even with frieza.

[@MrWinMrWin-qr2bn]

What doesn’t make sense is the hair color. Red + Yellow= Orange not blue

[@Sybry605]

I think the amagi made a theory that the god forms represent fire, so god is normal fire/ "base" fire, super Saiyan could work as gas that goes on top of SSG, so then it becomes blue, since blue fire is a hotter fire then red/ orange/yellow fire(also if you infuse fire with "lithium chloride", had to search that one up, you get pink flames),and white flames are the hottest flames, and ultra instinct(the current strongest form of goku) IS white

[@kdog3k]

I still hold that Super Saiyan God should have been the stronger form; with Blue being introduced in RF as a stepping stone to achieving God without the ritual.

[@cleany3892]

I hope its not too late, to set my demons straight

[@willchalloner6643]

I think many transformations in dragon ball were done poorly Great ape while amazing was admitedly somewhat under-utilised Kaioken again while amazing was under-utilised after super saiyan Super saiyan honestly has been done perfectly Super saiyan 2 has been under-utilised but it’s lack of change compared to the more famous super saiyan means it’s absense isn’t really missed Super saiyan 3 honestly had a great design and concept, but it was massively under-used, truthfully I think it should have acted much more like the Kaioken, a fast but massive power boost, compared to a way to simply put Goku out of an even fight by making him tired Super saiyan God, recently has been handled well and especially well in the manga/Broly movie, it’s only fault is the existence of super saiyan blue and the marketing agenda making it irrelevant immediately, truthfully this should have remained the strongest form until at least hit Super saiyan blue, completely ignoring its terrible official title of SSGSS, this form has an interesting concept combining both SS and SSG and as opposed to the liveliness of SSG and anger of SS it has a rather calm imposing nature about it, this forms failure however is the constant spamming of it in the anime, where it just felt forced and lost it’s intimidating nature, the manga handles the form much better, but still, this form should have appeared later in place of SSGSSKK SSBKK is mixed, the concept and reveal are incredible, however Supers anime didn’t really handle the Kaioken with the same mastery of toriyama, toriyama treated it like an all in gambit, or at least a heavily double edged sword, almost causing more bad than good which did wonders for the tension, super treats it more like a transformation, by the TOP Goku uses it constantly with never any mention of repercussion, making it really just a cooler SSB UIO, ultra instinct as a concept and in execution (to an extent) is phenomenal, an amazing final form, omen in an of itself really has no issues other than it’s irrelevance by MUI, but that normally would be fine buuut… MUI while handled great has a major downside, every one knows UIO looks cooler which is why they make TUI simply to bring back the black, if MUI had black hair, no one would have any issues with it. The only other issue is kinda funny, dragon ball really has 0 clue how to improve a fighter without new transformations, which is very awkward when MUI is clearly supposed to be the be all end all form Ahh well

[@stevenfriedman2902]

Vegeta defeated a god of destruction in his Super Saiyan Blue form. Nuff said

[@yuugur666]

No, he didnt

[@stevenfriedman2902]

@@yuugur666 He did. In the Tournament of Power Top (Toppo) accepted the mantle of a destroyer and became a God of Desteuction which Vegeta defeated

[@yuugur666]

@@stevenfriedman2902 yeah and that was total trash writing, which is why it never happened in the manga

[@stevenfriedman2902]

@@yuugur666 But it happened none the less

[@wildyato3737]

Toppo was apprentice..plus blessed by destroyers power ...(also it's power in base isn't compare.to million years trianed person) 2) It was SSBE =SSJ + SSGE or SSJE + SSGE 😅(I am Confused 😂)

[@Chonken_]

Perfected SSJB And Resurrection F battle: 🗿☕

[@TitanMysteryInc]

My friends and I are planning on doing a live action ver of the Goku Black arc but we’re doing it a lil bit different

[@Sunaki1000]

Blue was impressive? You guys have a low bare. Its og name was silly, and its just hair turning blue.

[@jasonone8726]

So what. 😂

[@Sunaki1000]

@@jasonone8726 Nothing, im just impressed your not wanting more for your beloved Show.

[@IszraelAlvarez]

Tuut

[@peanutbutterisgood911]

Yeah , its original name was super saiyan god super saiyan but it became more of a tongue twister so whis changed its name to super saiyan blue

[@Sunaki1000]

@@peanutbutterisgood911 It was a tongue Twister and genuinly a bad name. I belife I speak for most Fans when I say most People would have prefered: Red Saiyan God Blue Super Saiyan God. Not?

[@barcaman1013]

Dbz after cell saga is useless

[@Ionicity2]

It did introduce a large variety of things such as canon fusions and mystic form. It also introduced the kai which if they didn’t exist, neither would berry’s and she would be like 50 episodes.

[@Ionicity2]

Spelling mistakes: Berry’s: beerus She: dbs

[@barcaman1013]

@@Ionicity2 🗑 🚮

[@david_8916]

L

[@enso-stranger4291]

The Future Trunks saga 2 was pretty fire and the tournament of power

[@Thickimus_Dank]

You just fixed DBS lol you're exactly right about the blue late reveal part

[@huynhyurivanvladamir7978]

I heard one of the idea lead to many transformation was pressure by toho to make toys and figures along with new ideas to introduce difference way to increase the hype for fan base to push their merchandise sell

[@life_killer_.]

Cc guko be like:wait but im blue so im weak 😭

[@dogs-game-too]

Totally agree that Blue's debut was pretty lame since golden frieza smacked him around so bad. Golden shoulda smacked Red/god goku but not blue -- just made it unimpressive and felt rushed. I like your suggestion of having it later on better

[@Inumaki.1]

“Ssj blue has nearly loss every battle they been in” Goku and Vegeta vs golden frizea

[@carrotfr]

If Super Saiyan blue wasn't in the Resurrection F movie then he could have defeated Frieza by using Kaioken with Super Saiyan God

[@mroverdose14]

The fact that Goku Black learns to blend SSJ and God Ki would make more sense why they struggle vs him in only God Form as well

[@alvis1853]

For a second I thought I was listening to the original narrator

[@xodiac-gg7049]

Fans need to animate that. Goku revealing ssb in gb arc from rage

[@erkziltonz]

would be cool to see them merge blue and ss3

[@slickchick5811]

just another color swap

[@erkziltonz]

@@slickchick5811 don't remember what this was about but it doesn't have to be, personally I think the normal super saiyan hair colour looks way better than blue. So they could just take the God ki of blue and keep ss3 how it normally looks.

[@EmazinGamer]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME THAT SSJB SHOULD OF BEEN INTRODUCED DURING THAT SCENE. Thank you 4 this none of my have agreed with me on this.

[@Th_Artsy]

Vegeta if that’s how the story went:NOT THIS BULLSHIT AGAIN I JUST CAUGHT UP

[@brittanywhisnand5486]

I feel like everyone had that feeling when you see a new Saiyan form and then you see a stronger Saiyan form and it’s like it’s been two years and it’s so much stronger in the first saying form you saw is like a baby to the new one. I feel like everybody has that feeling when you see a new one reply if you feel that feeling.

[@Starman.2957]

I think if they got around the stamina consumption for ssj3 it would so cool like they can use the transformation as a finisher using 100% of it’s power to kill the bad guy at the end of a battle

[@The_most-Enthusiastic_Loser1.]

FAX!!🗣🔥

[@K-11609]

Both the anime and manga had really interesting approaches that were either cut short or rushed. The anime showed us the moment the blue energy formed around Goku and Vegeta, which would’ve been interesting to keep exploring after Frieza’s arc, but before that they would have to master the god form, rather than just out of the blue (pun intended) show that they’ve mastered the blue form when facing Golden Frieza. The manga goes a bit more in depth on why the blue form isn’t very practical. The energy that emanates in blue is not very reliable as Goku and Vegeta are not in tune with god ki, and that energy is being dissipated into an aura. This also causes a decrease in power level. When Goku and Vegeta master the form, their aura is gone and they have full access to the potential of blue. Only problem is the way they master the form is a bit wishy washy, and doesn’t really amount to much because at the end of the day, it’s not enough (not that it has to be, but the manga had a lot of build up to the moment Goku and Vegeta mastered the blue form). Maybe instead we could’ve seen Vegeta during the Goku Black arc reach the evolved blue from the anime after witnessing future trunks’ timeline and being enraged for his son. Would’ve been more impactful than Cabba imo.

[@benjaminlukegraf]

SS3 is my absolute favourite form, it's appearance is tough. Other forms I lost track of, got too confusing...

[@DoctorJ48]

I have to say I love this suggestion

[@reece1803]

R.I.P Akira Toriyama, gone but left a legacy which will never die🤍

[@ArthurNunes29]

If Super only had red SSJ God and Ultra Instinct, it would've been less BS and would've made DBS much less boring

[@drip_17]

I like both forms 🤷🏽 ss3 wit all da hair looks dope and his voice

[@SegaSavageMusic]

The animator stamina 😅

[@swanletsecondchannel8533]

Super sayian red is the coolest looking one in my opinion

[@Frr3ddyFazballzZ]

it’s always that third form or the third version of the form that looks cool but can somehow be useless

[@InfiniteNaos]

Since both Vegeta and Goku have multiple forms it would be more wiser for them both to perfect each transformation to its fullest then merge the transformations together instead of blending them. So that the godly forms inherits some of the traits from their SSJ appearances. Plus it would be nice to condense all these transformations down a bit.

[@neonishere123]

The thing with Blue was it wasnt supposed to be more powerful than God. The quote describing it was "tapping into the power of Super Saiyan God" because you needed a whole ritual to get Super Saiyan God. Not only is it now being treated as stronger than god, it also has been shown that Goku just causually goes into God sometimes

[@hermesbru3341]

The amount of SSJ transformations is too damn high

[@jeremiahbrigham5090]

Completely agree 100% 👍🏽

[@curse5697]

I agree with that blue suggestion, Blue was revealed too soon, it didn't let SSG have more time on screen, but well, they had to sell toys

[@Tony6Shot]

What kinda diminishes Blue's significance too is how relatively short it was around before Goku discovered a completely different path to power with Ultra Instinct, which took the spotlight in post ToP story arcs in the manga. SSB also has only one win like SSJ3, but it needed to be doubled up on with the Fusion Dance in DBS Broly. While Broly got warped to safety at the end of the fight before that last beam hit him, it was pretty clear that SSB Gogeta had overwhelmed him by that point and the final shot probably would've killed him outright if not horribly incapacitate him.

[@Jad2410]

The Super Saiyan transformation are rooted in one’s emotions the source of the base Super Saiyan transformation is anger and the god transformations is a calm mind. So, Goku transforming into god Super Saiyan after finding out about his family, wouldn’t make any sense.