Why Super Saiyan 3 is INNOCENT

[@SiphokaziLande]

I miss this transform 😢

[@nevadalotto560]

No you don't

[@SiphokaziLande]

@@nevadalotto560 Really 😒

[@nevadalotto560]

@@SiphokaziLande What 😆

[@mastergod101]

Blame the writers

[@nevadalotto560]

At least we have SSG now

[@mastergod101]

@@nevadalotto560 I don't care what anyone says, ssg is awesome

[@nevadalotto560]

@@mastergod101 Right like when he first got it he was way faster and almost destroyed a macrocosm to and Goku obviously gotten trillions times stronger now honestly he can easily solo sailor moon 🌙🌙🌙 🌙🌙🌙🌙🌙 🌝

[@mastergod101]

@@nevadalotto560 Lol

[@nevadalotto560]

@@mastergod101 What's so lol about it it's true

[@FabledSorcerer]

The real issue is that there wouldn't have been any story if Goku had just blasted away Fat Buu after going SSJ 3 so you can't blame Goku for anything.

[@joao.vproducoes]

Despite not being used as much, Super Saiyan 3 has a very good and beautiful design. But it was good and served in some moments in the Majin Buu saga

[@nevadalotto560]

At least SSG surpasses that weak form haha

[@Destrugamer5001]

@@nevadalotto560 ah yeah becuz that is how new forms work? ssb is stronger than ssg.. and it's now perfected so u cant say it drains stamina and ssg not.. so we put ssj1 2 3 god useless.. ssjb for reserve and u have ultra instinct now... So ye ssj3 is still awesome and if goku trained on it he will unlock its full power... Remember when goku perfected super saiyan and used it's full power? he can do same with ssj3 and it will give a multiple outcome as ssj3 is very exhausting so it has more potenitial.. how will that be useful? he can merge it with god ki so he can have ssjb3.. and if they added super saiyan stacked on top of ultra instinct it will be even more useful... perfecting it may even lead to ssj4 (not gt version but on grades path)..

[@nevadalotto560]

@@Destrugamer5001 I mean super Saiyan blue 3 I can see how that's possible honestly I ain't really got nothing to say that is true

[@Fierno0582]

​@@nevadalotto560 ssjb3 will be useless it is x4 of ssj while goku already have ssjbkx10 am i right???

[@nevadalotto560]

@@Fierno0582 I mean yes but ssj3 can be more helpful than that like the dude said if Goku really wanted or if the writers wanted to Goku can put ssj3 with ssb making ssjb3

[@ayonhussainforever9390]

if kid buu ever comes back stronger than ever then Rex from DAU: FIGHT ME

[@MacCalloom]

SSJ3 is my favorite form, glad it’s getting some respect

[@D-Pooly]

After all this time ssj3 still feels like peak super saiyan, so peak its only achievable in a supernatural realm where the limits of a normal mortal body aren't a problem. Makes it feel more divine than a form you get by having your buddies holding hands End of Z is still the true end to me, GT and Super are some fine DLC and no more, ssj3 is it

[@Yo_chan-t1i]

Ssj 3 is overheated Goku can literally master ssj 3 like he did with blue in manga . If he mastered ssj 3 ut would have been more stronger than his previous forms Imagine if ssj 3. 20x Then masterd ssj 3 is 40x .

[@BrianAwesome]

Facts ! Ssj3 and 2 can be mastered like Ssj in the Cell Games, And stack God/kaioken on top.

[@bluecomet8416]

@@BrianAwesomeyou can’t stack kaioken on top of super saiyan due to the conflicting mindsets of the 2. You can with SSB because it requires concentration instead of raw emotions and anger

[@D-Pooly]

Him having more mastery over the "god" forms than ssj3 just makes ssj3 seem more elevated, if its that much more difficult to handle, the end result should make Jiren shit his pants

[@skipthomas4524]

SS3 is a busted form bro, even in the tournament of power he stated he couldn't use SS3 for long so even with his gains it's a busted form

[@bluecomet8416]

@@skipthomas4524 he would have to specifically train in SS3 to be able to reduce the strain and energy consumption, but what’s the point when blue is stronger and drains less

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

This is one of the reasons I believe that the DBZ movies are consider being “what if” scenarios to the episodes and mangas. Prime example of this is the fusion reborn story where Goku, after going SS3, had told the first form of Janemba: “You should be proud of yourself only majin buu had push me this far in battle before.” And there is also the parts with Vegeta being dead and the boys knowing how to do the fusion that Goku had showed them.

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

I mean the movies are canon in their own timeline and also GT

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 and that is true on both counts. All I am saying is that is you look at the dbz movies from a certain perspective you can think, in a head canon way, that they are what if stories for dragon ball that take place with different outcomes of the battles that Goku and the other went by. For example in movie 2 & 3 (World’s strongest & tree of might) they can be considered what if scenarios of the saiyan saga, movie 5 & 6 (Cooler’s revenge & history of Trunks) would be part of the original dbz timeline.

[@chrishill9197]

Ah yes because pointing to a specific piece of hair on SSJ3 Goku is totally going to clear things up lmfao. 😂

[@patrickewulum3394]

Well u can always just watch the vid

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Algorithm

[@theemeraldninja5038]

Super Saiyan 3 is overhated DBS is the biggest culprit that painted Super Saiyan 3 as a useless transformation

[@SaiyanScholar]

Some would say GT but, again, that wasn't Super Saiyan 3's fault.

[@theemeraldninja5038]

@SaiyanScholar Goku's smaller body made the form rougher on him the first time around, and Baby got a new form the second time around which is theorized to be a tuffleized form of Super Saiyan 3

[@dubstepilluminati1823]

@@SaiyanScholar wait if ssj4 had a better hold of the users ki and stamina then would it be that because of the tail being cut off Goku Vegeta Gohan Trunks and Goten stunted their stamina reserves and dwarfed their potential growth if you haven't already made a video talking about that that'd be an interesting discussion I think more new db fans don't factor in when talking about DB

[@kelvinw18]

I’m surprised he wasn’t training SS3 while he was with Gohan and the Kai’s.

[@shinobimsh5687]

he has dead body there so no stamina issue

[@kelvinw18]

@@shinobimsh5687 He’s was tired fight Vegeta while he was dead, and showing SS3 to the kids wore him out too. I think he could push his body further being dead, but there’s still a stamina issue.

[@shinobimsh5687]

@@kelvinw18 no I am taking about dead goku in kai's world/planet, he doesn't have any stamina issue there

[@kelvinw18]

@@shinobimsh5687 oh really? I didn’t know that. It’s still not like him to be standing around like he did.

[@shinobimsh5687]

@@kelvinw18 he doesn't have any plan of resurrection, it's elder kais sudden decision so he can't master ssj3 at that short period anyway, maybe if they grown his tail back would probably have helped to regulate ssj3 stamina issue(but it's just a fan theory) and betting on fusion is way safe than ssj3

[@jaded9234]

Unless I've forgotten an explanation, my real question is, while his big brain was in "Tactician" mode, how did Vegeta arrive at "Spirit Bomb" as the answer to the equation? I mean, just judging by Frieza alone, it hurts like a b!tch but we've seen that thing fail to kill every time up to that point. I would kill to have heard his inner-monologue during that thought process.

[@ryszakowy]

Goku: chill piccolo once they learn fusion they will decimate majin buu trunks and goten the second they fused: woosh a terryfing giant bullshit attack! piccolo (and this one is from dub itself): STOP YELLING NONSENSE AND HIT HIM YOU GIBBERING FOOL

[@omegahtv6779]

I absolutely love SS3. It’s my favorite form.great video Saiyan Scholar 👍🏿

[@pabletoday9782]

Blame It on the night

[@jonathangetachew5705]

THANK YOU! Super Saiyan 3 is my favorite form in the franchise and I’m so fed up with all the slander it’s been getting recently.

[@famalam943]

Let’s be real, it’s an idea Toriyama came up with 5 minutes before putting pen to paper & it got all about as much love & attention as it was conceived with. Ie, none.

[@hrgaming4plebs570]

Fusion Reborn movie is pretty much the timeline of SSj3 Goku finishes fat Buu right away after Vegeta self destruct(since Goku still has his halo so he wasn't revived and Vegeta also has his halo). Kinda funny since Janemba is pretty much another Buu and both forces them to have a fusion one way or the other.

[@L74223]

This is why I’m subbed.

[@lil_per_vert]

Goku asked Vegeta not to go through the SuperSaiyan 3 line when he was Super Vegeta, then goes to become the SuperSaiyan 3 which isnt efficient.

[@edogawaconan945]

To be fair he only found out ssj3 is not efficient after he got revive. There is no implication ssj3 drain his energy while death and it only shorten his time on Earth.

[@warangelthedemonslayer3231]

I completely agree with this

[@garywillig5143]

My issue with Super Saiyan 3 is how it comes out of nowhere with no buildup. The previous Super Saiyan forms and even fusion and 'ultimate' had huge buildup and foreshadowing, often for dozens of episodes before Goku finally went SSJ1 and Gohan went SSJ2. SSJ3 couldn't beat the villain because it lacked all of that and no one had a clue it could even exist until Goku pulled it out of his butt, which is why even when it was decided that Goku had to be the one to defeat Buu, it couldn't be while he was in SSJ3 but in SSJ1 with the Spirit Bomb. Beast has a similar issue, but that gets handwaved as being 'foreshadowed' by all of Gohan's past rage boosts.

[@Crow_Rising]

Something else to keep in mind is that Goku at the time hadn't fully mastered the form, and it was also introduced fairly early into the saga. Previous Super Saiyan forms were the final highlights of their respective story arcs, and so were narratively allowed to dominate their opponents. The Buu Saga is different though, Super Saiyan 3 is introduced early and isn't the ultimate answer to the problem being faced. This combined with Goku still being in a state of experimentation and getting used to the form in general that implies that he hasn't had access to the form even in his dead body in the afterlife for all that long sets up the form to come off as underwhelming compared to SSJ1 and SSJ2 despite technically being stronger. I've always felt like the main issue with the Buu Saga is content bloat. The saga itself is fairly long and drags on, but that's in spite of the fact that it's completely stuffed full of content; Majin Vegeta, Super Saiyan 3 Goku, The Fusion Dance and Gotenks, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, Gohan using the Z Sword, the Z Sword breaking, Ultimate Gohan, Potara Earrings, Vegito, Super Vegito, and that's not even getting into everything going on with Babidi and Buu. There's just way too much stuff crammed in here for any one thing to truly shine. I feel like Super Saiyan 3 would be a lot more respected if the whole thing was divided into two sagas instead of one. The first one introduces Babidi and ends with Vegeta using the Majin Seal as an excuse to finally have his rematch with Goku. Instead of Buu appearing and the fight getting interrupted, Vegeta is the final main threat of this specific saga with him ultimately breaking free of Babidi's control and Goku being forced to defeat him using Super Saiyan 3 due to the Majin Seal boosting Vegeta's power too high for Super Saiyan 2 to be sufficient. It is after finally being defeated that Vegeta begrudgingly accepts that Goku is just too strong, and the saga ends in everyone returning to their peaceful lives while Babidi has escaped and gone into hiding. Vegeta's completely freed of the seal due to the evil in his heart no longer being a problem after his conflict with Goku has brought him resolution. Then, after a brief peacetime period of about a year, Babidi returns having finally hatched Buu using the energy from Goku and Vegeta's battle. Goku returns for one day to help in the fight against Buu, and from there on things play out pretty much the same. The only thing I'd probably change would be that Gotenks probably shouldn't have Super Saiyan at first, as he ultimately loses anyway and him managing to hold his own regardless would show off the power of fusion better in my opinion. Leaning on Super Saiyan 3, or even Super Saiyan in general for Gotenks to compete makes Fusion itself look like a relatively weak technique that relies on additional power ups as a crux. Saving the dance fusion getting used in conjunction with Super Saiyan for later would make for a more hype moment later down the line when it is used, and would help make fusion itself stand out more as its own thing that's worth using by itself with additional transformations on top being supplemental rather than feeling required. For instance, Gotenks being forced to unlock Super Saiyan and eventually Super Saiyan 3 by the grim realization he's trapped with Piccolo in the Time Chamber would make for a much better moment in conjunction with him using that awesome power to escape, and would make Buu feel all the more like a threat for performing the same feat without powering up further first. It would also make the transformation feel a bit more deserved rather than Gotenks just having it because he's apparently just that awesome.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

I have a theory about that. Technically, Goku's body is still dead, even if it's able to maintain itself for 24 hours. There's a certain someone in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5 that I think Goku could've turned out like had he tried to force his body to stay in the living realm past its breaking point. Given his fatigue, I'd guess this dead body can't properly restore ki in the world of the living, which makes sense because ki is life energy in a sense.

[@alatusedits]

Nah, I'd blame the form🗿

[@KYWANWEBSTER]

Good video

[@slipnfall6182]

My only issue with ssj3 goku is how it plays into vegetas character arc prior. Vegeta giving himself to babidi was such an important part of his character growth. He was so angry and desperate to fight goku that he gave himself up to babidi and essentially relapsed into villainy. Paired with vegetas self loathing and his eventual realization of what he did, his fight with goku and his sacrifice is a highlight of the whole series. A few episodes later its revealed that goku was holding back the entire time and apparently didn't see vegeta as a big enough threat to go ssj3. Talk about a blow to vegetas pride 😭

[@maridiancrest243]

It was probably a 55:45 Matchup between SS3 Goku and Fat Buu

[@JosephShemelewski]

I get the arrow and circle the long hair is what drains you! That's why Raditz lost

[@yemoochy9553]

Another Big question is How experienced was goku as A Super saiyan 3 when he first went up against Majin Buu?

[@indigo4740]

My idea of ssj3 is that its not natural and is kind of like another version of the buff ssj in the cell arc. Goku only achieved it cause he didnt have an alive body so the stress on him was severely less when he tried it on kid buu he had his alive body for the first time in 7 years and couldn't maintain 3 and then gotenks was able to do 3 because of the power of fusion and that the kids have a natural knack for the ssj transformation. Ssj2 is the peak of the ssj transformations but ssj3 is to push beyond the peak and that will come with drawbacks.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

Dragon Ball Daima i am looking forward to seeing that from the inflation i am able to gather it is supposed to start running some time in October 2024.

[@digitaladventurer2142]

Yeah Goku probably could have beaten Fat Buu if he went full power from the start but just like with Kid Buu the issue is could he even get to full power? Like he says when fighting Kid Buu he was losing energy faster then he could charge it and thus couldn't reach full power or at least not sustain it for long. Its basically the same issue Golden Frieza had during his first fight with Goku in Super.

[@grantarmstrong2968]

I think the reason that goku didn’t defeat buu was a mixture of both reasons. I think that goku wasn’t going for the kill immediately, and instead underestimated buu. Spending too much energy on gauging Buu’s strength, leaving him with no energy to win the fight in the end.

[@MrTimelord77]

Goku had the power to end things, but too much plot armor go in the way.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Love ❤️ SS3 Goku

[@TevyaSmolka]

Makes sense to me

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video SSJ 3 is my favorite form

[@zacbrown3797]

I don't think ssj3 goku could have killed buu, he may have been more powerfull, but buu has candy beams, regenration absorption, and more stamina. I see it how goku could have beaten cell if it weren't for his regeneration, goku had the power but cell could just regenerate. likewise goku may have the power but buu has the hacks

[@zacbrown3797]

also vegeta thought he could kill buu

[@MH-vl5sn]

Actually it did not just drain stamina. A reduction in Stamina wouldn't cause Guku to lose so much time on earth. Supersayan 3 drained life force. I know this sounds weird as Goku was dead but this is the reason why, once revived, Goku only turned into SSJ3 on really rare occasions and only if there was really no other way. That's also the reason why in the afterlife, Goku could maintain that form indefinetely, aside from when he runs out of juice.

[@rossbaker7400]

My theory is that Goku and Vegeta hadn't fully mastered Super Saiyan 2 like Grade 4 was mastered in the Cell Saga which is why Super Saiyan 3 is unstable with it's energy management. I wonder if for example grade 2 and 3 Vegeta and Trunks got a trigger during the Cell Saga and hit Super Saiyan 2 would they also have a stamina issue as they wouldn't have masters Grade 4. Maybe this would make a what if story or discussion say during the 7 year time skip to the Buu saga if Vegeta and Goku got to and truly mastered Super Saiyan 2. Also I can't help but wonder If Majin Vegeta and Goku were equals as Super Saiyan 2 dose this mean Vegeta could push his body to hit Super Saiyan 3 say against Kid Buu.

[@vladline1882]

Man... Nowadays.. super strong SSJ1 could rival ssj3 buu era. Full power base is crazy. But plot doesn't show that nowadays.

[@tim9119]

i've heard many arguments about SSJ3 and i do agree with both sides, Kakarot couldnt use SSJ3 very well because he just got the form and didnt know how to use it correctly in battle of gods Kakarot learns how to use the form better and is able to stay in SSJ3 longer i believe all super saiyan forms are masterable

[@JoeUchiha-gs5ru]

Id have liked to ser him use that form against kale snd caulifla

[@eduardoviera1586]

i wonder why goten and trunks cant go ssj3 but fused they can

[@TheFounderYosh]

Either Goku went full ssj3 and couldn't kill buu and runs out of time or Goku almost beats buu and runs out of time. No teaching the fusion and then no options to beating buu.

[@disgruntleddude6105]

SSJ3 and Golden Freeza have the same issue. Freeza overcame this issue. Why can't Goku?

[@MightyGreenLantern17]

I've been saying for a long time the buu arc had the potential to be the best in the series, but it got wasted so badly

[@AnthonyJakil]

If he was fully alive he could've beat buu. If he didn't have that time limit he would've beat buu. I'm assuming ssj 3 pulls on your life force in order to use it because nobody else finds out how to use it and it looks like it takes something extra to use the form that's why he rarely uses it

[@nydeity9100]

Why do you always put a circle with an arrow pointing to nothing.

[@SaiyanScholar]

It's pointing at SSJ3. I think you need a bigger circle to help your eyes.

[@TrappyJenkins]

Goku thought he could defeat kid buu in super sayijin 3, and he was wrong. Just like he was wrong that he could kill fat buu

[@Sjono]

Clearly it’s the eyebrows. 😅 When Goku is using every other form in the series, his eyebrows keeps his stamina in check. SSJ3 losing them made his stamina unstable. Vegeta learned of this and avoided that form. He later trained extensively with Beerus to avoid this weakness when he attained Ultra Ego 🧐

[@FabledSorcerer]

But Ultra Ego should also have this weakness since it also has no eyebrows by that logic. Unless SSJ3 is going Ultra Ego without the destruction energy buff meaning that Goku could in theory use the form as well if he mastered the destruction power himself which he did mess around with during the Goku Black arc. 🤔

[@Sjono]

@@FabledSorcerer Beerus, being a powerful being who doesn’t have eyebrows, probably taught Vegeta how to attain such a form without exhausting himself Goku learned Kaoiken, an exhausting from eyebrow-wielding King Kai. Surely that can’t be a coincidence

[@andrewryan824]

I feel like Broly's body is better for SSJ3

[@Xis_sa]

Ssj3 is overhated

[@aster4jaden]

SS3 as wasted as SSG.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

it is funny to me people begged Akira Toriyama to make more dragon ball content and wene he finally gets back into it and provides story ideas for another dragon ball series people don't like it. i liked super its true it wasn't dragon ball z but you should not just have a cut and pasty mentality about things you like. as in liking the same thing and wanting that exact same thing over again and again.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

@@voiceunderthecovers dragon ball super was good in my opinion.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Damn

[@mikefrassetti737]

Im convinced the stamina drain is from not having a tail, otherwise they could maintain it without issues I dont take credit for it of course, m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/on6zc3tve7uVjLM&pp=ygUPc3M0IHZzIHNzaiBibHVl Off topic, but what if the humans trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber during the saiyan saga for 2 full days?

[@GraveEnd]

Should’ve been gokus final form

[@MinhLe19303]

As cool as Super Saiyan 3 is, guys like Carthu is valid to say that the existence of SS3 is unneccesary writing-wise and only hurt the narrative.

[@danielfuertes1678]

SSJ3 is BASURA!!!!

[@Krxy81]

Good video