Why Synthetic Fuel Could Replace Electric Cars

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Synthetic fuels are fuels made from water and carbon dioxide from the air. You split the water into hydrogen and oxygen, and combine the oxygen with CO2 to create hydrocarbons. Basically what burning fuel does but in reverse. If the energy used to do this comes from a sustainable source (i.e. wind or solar) you will have net zero emissions, and none of the environmental impact of mining the metals used in batteries. This could effectively make ICE engines better for the environment than EVs.
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[@dominicanstig5196]

Porsche said "The 911 is never going electric" How do they plan to do that? Oh you know... *Makes it's own fuel* edit: *me* “why is my phone going off every two seconds” *checks youtube* “oh” Thanks dudes ❤️

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

Porsche is slowly turning into Dodge, except better

[@riccardosartori3822]

@@user-mx1fq6qm6i YES 😂

[@kihuhv7381]

@@user-mx1fq6qm6i I like em both, why bash one to praise the other?

[@private6549]

@@user-mx1fq6qm6i I hope Dodge can do this as well so we don't have to lose our Hemi V8s

[@omaradriani6770]

@@user-mx1fq6qm6i more then better i would say it's becoming european Dodge

[@harrisonkarn2078]

Car guys: *panicking about EVs taking over* Porsche: “Come. This is no place to die.”

[@aditya5474]

So Tesla is Thanos for every car guy

[@dbclass4075]

If it is any consolation, steam locomotives are kept alive due to similar circumstances: alternative fuel. They used atomized oil instead of coal for boiler fuel. Granted, they are no longer in regular service, but the history is kept alive.

[@aditya5474]

@@dbclass4075 So it will happen to with ICE Cars because we still need Internal Combustion Engine

[@dbclass4075]

@@aditya5474 Most obvious example: long-haul airliners. Energy density matters a lot; weight have significantly more performance impact on aircraft than surface vehicles. When loading Boeing 777-300ER with full fuel tank first followed by whatever can be loaded without overloading, 47% of the weight is fuel.

[@Baggedbug]

Don't forget about dodge

[@rodriguezracer4567]

"If synthetic fuel was a thing for decades, how come we still dont have it yet?" Oil conglomerates: *innocent whistling*

[@thomasdavis8117]

Not a conspiracy it's just hugely energy inefficient to turn water into hydrogen, CO2 into free carbon, both into fuel and then burn that in a thermally inefficient engine. Nowhere on earth has had low enough electricity prices to attempt something so wasteful until very recently.

[@muckman5509]

Because it was never Carbon natural. The more Co2 capture advances so will synthetic fuels.

[@karannsyt]

@@thomasdavis8117 you can just hook it up to wind farms and solar panels and theoretically keep producing infinite amounts of electricity for fuel now right?

[@thomasdavis8117]

@@karannsyt no, wind energy is still finite and has cost. It is morally wrong to waste so much energy on cooking up synthetic fuel when that electricity could be better used to cheaply power homes and electric cars. It's like watering your lawn in a drought. Maybe in the deeper future there'll be a big enough energy surplus but by that time I think everyone will have switched to electric cars anyway.

[@VirtualGobllim47]

Because capitalism doesn't invest on what doesn't give it profit in the neer future, só they stay destroying the world while they slowly develop something that is less detrimental and say is perfect

[@benvin10365]

I really hope these e-fuels come on-line so we can keep our classic cars on the road.

[@giovanni6643]

There is this thing called propane that's been used in vehicles running in confined spaces for decades and it's probably cheaper to make work considering gasoline engines can already be converted to run on propane with minor modifications.

[@goclunker]

@@giovanni6643 propane has no lubrication and burns hot. It burns out valve seats and valves

[@nitroxylictv]

Your classic would still be as road legal as a horse and carriage. They aren't going anywhere, the fuel will just be harder to get that's all. Even then it probably wont be until like 2100 that all this becomes reality where most cars are electric, and that's IF EV's stop becoming a trend and end up becoming an actual market.

[@josedorsaith5261]

@@nitroxylictv Depends on your country. The UK is banning all combustion -engine vehicles for sale by 2030

[@bluckq]

@@josedorsaith5261 for sale but not current cars

[@Mx5buthead]

This is what the whole car community have been waiting for

[@calebmatheson3033]

Cant agree with you more!!!

[@PlaidZoomer]

It’s still not as environmentally friendly as an electric car, but it is better than regular gas cars. This technology shouldn’t be the end goal

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I mean we've had synthetic fuel for forever the key is it more affordable than race fuel is now.

[@Prestiged_peck]

If you take manufacturing into account, ethanol and synthetic fueled hybrids are cleaner than electric in actual practice.

[@sm_flys]

@@PlaidZoomer Well have to wait and see. Remember it was only 10 years ago when pure electrical vehicles were slow, ugly, and couldn’t go much further than the county line.

[@ghostt5623]

being able to have clean but still loud cars is an ideal world

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Given a loud car that does 0-60 in 2.8s and a quiet car that does 0-60 in 1.9s, I take the quiet car.

[@rowanprice2304]

@@kalasmournrex1470 who cares how quick it is, its all about having fun

[@tobytoyota6936]

@@rowanprice2304 this guy gets it

[@MrMan-sf3op]

@@kalasmournrex1470 "ah yes, lemme just compare to totally random cars, with totally different price and make it count for every car in the world"

[@RykerTC1]

Y E S

[@benwilms3942]

It would be very interesting to see what the environmental footprint of the total necessary infrastructure would be compared to producing millions a chemical battery packs for cars and planes.

[@markm0000]

This plant in Chile isn’t the end all and be all of synthetic fuels. It’s just a test to see how well it works in a good environment. It will expand to more expensive areas in Europe as the technology becomes more efficient. Also, they can run the ships and trucks off this fuel anyways so I’m not sure why that’s a negative for their argument.

[@TomWebb169]

Synthetic fuels could be a good solution for plugin hybrids too, where you could do much of your shorter trips on just the battery, using hopefully green electricity and for longer trips or if otherwise required you would have that liquid fuel option.

[@swankscabinet1625]

I think it’s an ok idea, but the only downside is the electrical plugin. The space required for the battery to do your small trips would be huge compared to doing just a syn fuel car with carbon neutral being the goal.

[@joe7272]

a hybrid using a bio fuel generator is the best of both worlds. extremely high energy density of liquid fuel, and high performance of an electric motor. In theory it should outperform a current battery EV, and in fact does in some hypercars.

[@jandersen6802]

This!! Plug-in-hybrids are the real future. Then have a small turbine generator to run on clean fuels. Why a turbine generator instead of a piston generator? Because a turbine burns much cleaner and is actually quite efficient when it gets to run at the optimum RPM to only charge a battery.

[@joe7272]

@@jandersen6802 Smart! I have one issue, I heard turbines were phased out of vehicles due to emissions. That implies they are not very efficient, right? A tank of clean fuel is energy dense and 1000% less technically complicated to make than a battery.

[@ignasanchezl]

I argued a lot over this. It would pull a heck of a lot of people into the EV market.

[@octodinosaur2419]

I pray for Porsche to work their black-magic and make it work.

[@boboso4978]

All the big manufacturers need to hop on that research train... if they all worked together we could have synthetic fuel by the end of the year...

[@vvedhant1280]

@@boboso4978 yeah Most manufacturers only care about money and not their customers so they'll probably want to hop on the electric market instead of trying to develop alternatives

[@underdogtv2855]

552 Tesla employess dislike this video

[@kirylsykalo7752]

It's cold an e-fuel coalition. EU is on it as well and Mazda is the latest manufacturer who joined it. More manufacturers will and it is expensive for now. But people arround the globe work on carbon capturing tech.

[@willemmars9656]

They are germans, ofcourse it is gonna work

[@BawangProdaksyen]

clean cars + pops and bangs = perfect world

[@Ritayo-checkmyvideo-ph5dr]

Zakaria and the

[@melzzusenpai9583]

pabili po ng bawang

[@nasion420]

Yes

[@gpb3762]

Baduy and tacky and pops and bangs imo. But you do you.

[@wyattcallison3258]

amen brother

[@coldee785]

Seems like a reasonable and responsible way to slowly phase out the toxic shit we've been doing. Thanks Porche, you're awesome

[@swankscabinet1625]

Lookup Prometheus fuels. They have a full plan and have been at it for years now. BMW is one of their main investors and their website explains the process extremely easily. Nothing is left out lol

[@coldee785]

@@swankscabinet1625 thanks will do!

[@Slipperygecko390]

Nah don't worry, EV company's and their advocates will be happily leaching brain chemistry altering lithium into the environment for the next century. They've got toxic covered.

[@johnnymatias3027]

@@swankscabinet1625 a startup called Boom Supersonics says their basically Concord will be powered entirely by Prometheus Fuels and Boeing has pre-ordered 15 aircraft. Me thinks this may actually happen.

[@johnnymatias3027]

@@Slipperygecko390 battery chemistry is already changing. Sodium ion, solid state, molten salt, iron air etc. are gaining on lithium quickly and preferred against lithium for the reasons you stated. Battery chemistry will evolve along with synthetic fuels, by the end of the decade both these technologies will be vastly different than they are now.

[@megatronn194]

I'm here for it. We already run cars on corn and I'd also love to see cars running on hemp fuel as well. Investing more into biofuels will ensure that petrol and electric vehicles can coexist on these streets. Besides, not everybody can afford an EV. So this is a really good thing going.

[@thatgamerguy3057]

In a world where everything is turning electric, I’m really counting on Porsche to save the boom engine

[@codingfire23]

pow pow boom boom engine

[@riccardosartori3822]

I never really liked Porsche much as a brand but this might change my mind

[@alfredvondrachstedt7129]

But what´s left to save? At the moment it llooks like old cars will be harmed by eFuels, would you risk a prestine classic car? And new cars are so digital, I´d take electric torque over fake engine sounds. Look to Norway, daily an electric and drive classic combustion on the weekend.

[@riccardosartori3822]

@@alfredvondrachstedt7129 except the way things are going you won't be able to drive classic cars on the weekend

[@riccardosartori3822]

@@alfredvondrachstedt7129 And as far as I go I'd take a small 3 cylinder turbo engine with it's grunting sound over the whine of electric motors any day of the week

[@ChrisN06999]

"...V12's are coming back to formula one and LS swaps are going into every Prius..." I felt that.

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

"Brung back the fucking V12s" -Some German S🅱️INNER,2019

[@danteeightsix9069]

The Prius already has an ICE, so it would be more worth it to say LS swaps in let's say, a Leaf, which is fully electric.

[@dbclass4075]

@@danteeightsix9069 It is kinda amusing that the most hated car of the petrolheads become the underdog.

[@electric7487]

And Diesel-swapped Teslas.

[@bryanworkman3902]

Im such an EV fan, but this would be really cool if it can actually be done. Best of luck to e-fuel

[@Pinkie007]

I love EVs too. But I really love ICE cars as well. I’m really REALLY hoping Porsche can pull this off.

[@kameronmyles2013]

Disliking bc you like EV's, im sorry

[@thatguyalex2835]

Same here. I am hoping the Porsche e-fuel becomes successful in the 2020s and beyond. A combination of e-fuels and solid state batterie cars would be the ideal future of transportation this century.

[@cod3368]

@@kameronmyles2013 bros mad he got dusted by a EV lol

[@kameronmyles2013]

@@cod3368 evs are both more expensive to repair and worse for the environemnt. Synthetic fuel on the other hand could maybe help. Im not sure tho, i would have to reeatch the video, its been a while

[@Guisplace]

you guys are basically the only channel that I actually watch the sponsored ads.

[@gpb3762]

Porsche being able to retain the N/A engine and the manual transmission and even possibly retaining the combustion engine just shows how great Porsche and it's engineers are.

[@Breakdown5297]

YOU UTTER FOOLS! GERMAN ENGINEERING IS THE WORLDS GREATEST

[@gpb3762]

@@Breakdown5297 basically what I said tho.

[@vizmuvesjanos1045]

@@gpb3762 I'm pretty sure OP's comment was a reference

[@gpb3762]

@@vizmuvesjanos1045 oh. Sorry I didn't notice that lol

[@gazlondonboy2185]

If it’s so good then how come some of the most unreliable cars are now German?

[@frlo7022]

Let’s just take a moment and respect the fact that Porsche is going to spend a lot of money to keep car enthusiast happy

[@jeffreykleine871]

Yeah no, they are still just a business trying to make money. They wouldn't invest if they wouldn't think they could get some money out of it.

[@Paul2.4T]

Gasoline is simply way more superior with power to weight than electric

[@Hitherto90]

@EMPEROR OF MISOGYNY I don't think you could produce an electric motor powerful enough to lift a plane...

[@Hitherto90]

@EMPEROR OF MISOGYNY Fair.

[@Real_MisterSir]

As a car guy I appreciate it, but I'm under no illusion that the marketing aspect alone is making it worthwhile for Porsche. Everyone and their grandma is now associating their brand with "saving the petrol engine". That kind of brand image is pretty much priceless, as long as they succeed.

[@godisgood9720]

This is going to put a huge wrench in the plans of any and everyone who wants to force us to go electric, and im enjoying this good news immensely!!!

[@glockenspiel4402]

Yeah, and when there's mass production and synthetic fuel becomes cheaper, we will either have an ICE car or an EV or both

[@glockenspiel4402]

Also I wonder if it will change a lawmaker's mind

[@miguelmedina4386]

One of my biggest fears was that I wasn't going to be able to teach my kids (if I have any. I'm 26) or my nephews and nieces how to drive stick shift. We gotta keep the art of traditional manual transmissions alive!

[@saghwteam]

I'm 23, been driving since I got my licence back when I was 18. But have only driven automatic my entire life. I wonder if it's too late for me to drive a manual, just for the sake of it, and who knows maybe there will be a time when the only choice I have is a manual.

[@HCG]

lmao, what? Do you think all existing manual transmission cars are going to be destroyed? They’ll still be produced for at least 7 more years, likely far more. What a stupid fear

[@miguelmedina4386]

@@HCG I Have a Volkswagen Jetta that i plan to keep alive for as long as possible to one day give to my kids

[@miguelmedina4386]

@@saghwteam Dude get one while you still can! you will thank me later

[@southwestxnorthwest]

@@miguelmedina4386 I drove a manual transmission 2004 Tacoma from 2010 until 2022. I loved that truck and planned to drive it until I died but totaled it in a rollover accident. Now I drive a 2010 Tacoma with an automatic transmission and I hate everything about this stupid truck.

[@Alpeyy]

Porsche looked at the Taycan and went: "Yeah this just isn't it... let's make our own fuel."

[@Timmahh.]

@anna crime YUP. WOW I FOUND SOMEONE ELSE WHO GETS IT 😂

[@Timmahh.]

@anna crime CO2 is a cooling gas. - NASA

[@carhawara3394]

Yep, they are really salty that elon took their 0-60 record and there best elektro try didnt get it back

[@digitalcamaro9708]

@anna crime The reason for videos like this are because of people who are "woke" and are pushing for gas powered cars to be discontinued. Not the other way around.

[@magicstew45]

@anna crime I don't believe we are anywhere near the point of CO2 oversaturation but theres nothing wrong with synth fuel that adds less CO2 to the atmosphere. I assume you wouldnt argue that CO2 is good for the environment?

[@electric_boogaloo496]

Synthetic fuel timeline is the best possible timeline that can happen to an engine enthusiast like me. Really hoping it turns out true.

[@asymsolutions]

I will not be surprised if it becomes a reality, however from an "unexpected source" to donut fans. The Aviation industry. Efans can not produce thrust of jet-turbines, and that plasma engine that Wuhan Uni wrote about is fantasy vaporware (china's military industry can't even develop 1990's equivalent efficient & reliable low-bypass jet turbines with Afterburners that don't damage the nozzles at full use [Their current engines are reverse-engineered or licensed Russian designs]) how are they going to produce something that produces 6-7 times the heat of current high thrust jet turbines? Once companies like GE, rolls royce and Pratt-whitney finally get the jet turbine to plateau in efficiency (The Rolls-Royce ultrafan is the only design that I'm aware of with a larger than single digit increase in efficiency over current offerings on the market), we will see support for synthetics increase from the aviation industry as ecological requirements tighten and natural oil supplies wane. Without external combustion, modern aviation dies. The only thing that has even come close to producing the same amount of joules per kg is nuclear power via ramjet, which has it's own issues (radiological waste, not as big as most activists make it out to be, and the fan that ramjets require a minimum speed to work).

[@electric_boogaloo496]

@@asymsolutions So far no electric semi trucks in the mainstream either. Tesla semi was promised and forgotten, Nikolai semi was a scam. If battery energy density doesn't go up several orders of magnitude, I don't see BEVs take over trucking either. With enough industries on board for synthetic fuel, it might achieve economy of scale.

[@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS]

@@electric_boogaloo496 You could probably say the same for the cargo ships/ cruise ships/ just any large boats which are undoubtedly never to be electrified. Too heavy.

[@iaminpain8407]

Reminds me of olinol

[@neildoe1617]

@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS what are you talking about most ships are electric.. They just burn crude oil to make the electricity

[@soulextinguisher]

Love Jeremiah's videos that get into the science and financial processes of technology applied to cars

[@skeltonslay8er781]

As long as that engine rumbles, who cares what it runs on.

[@thefool7114]

yup

[@binjalan6777]

When car guys don't want to miss the lovely car's sounds:

[@madjunir]

They will need to install their own dedicated speaker

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Except most engines are lowly 4 cyl that don't sound good so nothing to miss really. EV's are much more exciting and the little boys can make their own vroom vroom noises.

[@jordanp1622]

The only reason I clicked so fast on this video, was to see if we can save the exhaust!

[@dbclass4075]

@@madjunir When the power output is high enough, electric motors can have a pleasing noise. Siemens Velaro departure: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_YpqiueLmEadU Siemens Taurus departure: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4Snipd-r7lqh9k

[@binjalan6777]

@@dbclass4075 still not that good. What I thought of is using a fan that blows air to a fake exhaust or whatever and by aerodynamics make that sound

[@alistairwhite8575]

I may not always love Porsche, but holy shit they have gained my respect.

[@junatah5903]

Tbh, they have to get their emissions down after the release of the Panzer and Tiger line up. Things are thirsty and don't have any catalytic converters. They could be worse than VW.

[@yamomsballs]

I love porsche so damn much

[@gigachad6162]

go buy another “special” mclaren

[@yamomsballs]

@@gigachad6162 I'll stick with my 64 valiant

[@BrianLTU]

If they succeed they get my respect too

[@oneandonlysatan]

can we take a second to appreciate how helpful the little blue bar they put is to show when the add ends?

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

There's no way that Porsche, or any manufacturer for that matter, could produce an "eFuel" in sufficient quantities and at a price point that would make it viable commercially, even if it is supposedly cleaner than EVs. It would take many years to even approach that possibility and by then EVs will have cut prices even more making the challenge even more of a struggle for them. (lithium batteries have fallen in price by about 90% in the last 7 or 8 years and is continuing that trend). Porsche is just trying to protect their legacy, understandably, but I don't see any chance for this to actually become viable.

[@TelmoMonteiro]

Completely agree. It's a lost battle. I like ICEs, but EVs are just better. The key word here is efficiency, and e-fuels are LAME in this point. Also, e-fuel cars will always release CO2 and other emissions, which is never good for people and the world. Adding the running costs of ICE cars to this and is game over to ICE cars

[@TelmoMonteiro]

@@nebylicza exactly! And you can make electricity, but you can't make gas or other e-fuels properly

[@BPBomber]

Bumper 2 Bumper‘s metamorphosis into Science Garage is nearly complete.

[@GreenNutts]

B2b is definitely good, but SciGarage hit diff. It's not Jerry either, cause he's just as cool as Bart. Idk 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@TheIcyWulf]

Exactly

[@jordananderson2728]

@@GreenNutts it was Bart's energy. Jer Bear here is always super into what he's talking about, but Bart was always at an 11.

[@straightbusta2609]

Yeah, but still miss the OG Bart. Love Jeremiah tho too

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

69 likes,nice

[@haywoodwall382]

The sponsor ads are starting to feel like real commercials that you would see on tv

[@SteveKemper]

Except ads on TV don't usually star the actors from the show you're watching :)

[@DM9_eyo]

Honestly it's kinda impressive haha

[@snappoification]

love the addition of the bar at the bottom

[@drmaulana2600]

Nah, you can still skip it

[@gaplandica7205]

Donut's ads have always been so good. I make sure I watch them all

[@AmorFatiMementoMori]

At many power plants I’ve worked at both steam & nuclear, in the steam stakes we have ammonium scrubbers & other types that clean the air before being released into the atmosphere. There are some of things that are done before the scrubbers, but I always wondered why no car company hasn’t used some sort of option to have the exhaust cleaned to the same degree the plants do.

[@Trenchluv]

Awesome concept. We'll see how it pans out in the next few years. Very exciting

[@mazdaguy_6046]

If Porsche manage to create this, they will gain an immense amount of respect. car guys don't want to live in fear, that their hobby and passion or in cases career will be lost.

[@2sik_UK]

Exactly, I respect them just for trying/planning it, it'd be good too see porsche make a few new models that's honestly why I've never been a big fan of porsche because although I like the 911 its styling kinda gets old, they used too make more styles of car like 924 for example, a porsche hatchback would be cool aswell

[@bolt5564]

Unfortunately because of the amount of energy it takes to pull carbon out of the air and then turn it into Petrol, I don't think that the price of Porsches zero emissions Petrol will be comparable to what Americans currently pay for petrol it will probably be closer to what it costs in Europe (about $7).

[@BrianLTU]

@@bolt5564 at least they would save gas cars

[@framegrace1]

As the video said, there's a reason no one has done this. It will be EXPENSIVE. Is not if the manage to create this, is if they are mad enough to invest in this. This type of fuel will be something only high end competition teams will be able to afford.

[@2sik_UK]

@@bolt5564 although its not cheap in the UK atleast we survive. I think either way the big 6+ltr American v8s would fade out if the fuels more expensive, that's why american cars aren't as popular in UK and you literally almost never see them

[@trve_ingvar]

If they pull this off, I might just start worshipping whoever is responsible for the idea and bringing it to life

[@rmbgtango7563]

Yeah I hope it goes well because maybe gm will start thinking clearly after this and make there mustang a coupe and not a suv again

[@Sheridantank]

@@rmbgtango7563 GM doesn't make the mustang lol

[@thatpaintschemeguy8]

@@rmbgtango7563 you mean ford

[@TheSuburban15]

That's called idolatry

[@italianboyz12345]

Worship God instead.

[@bena9713]

What’s upsetting is this technology has been around for 2 years, there’s a Vice video on it. Why haven’t we been funding it?

[@mixrable1212]

Actually we have, if you're German at least

[@andrewtucker7990]

Because we're broke, bro. If you live in the U.S., at least.

[@yayayayya4731]

Because it doesn't have a fanbase of toxic 12 yo supporting it

[@sentinal1565]

@@yayayayya4731 “Toxic 12 year olds in adult bodies.”

[@YouTube2021FM]

Because it’s a terrible idea

[@a_hope_in_hell]

I really hope that this works out! Never been a fan of electric automotives.. those used up batteries aren’t good for the environment aswell… Problem is, over here in austria you pay way way less for a hybrid car, because of subsidies, while the car often burns as much gasoline as a standard car, that costs more…

[@Brian-om2hh]

Those "used up" batteries will be recycled. Watch the KZbin video of the Volkswagen Electric Car Battery Recycling Plant, and see the process for yourself.....

[@a_hope_in_hell]

@@Brian-om2hh yeah, but this is only a pilot project.. have you looked up how many batteries actually get recycles? Less than 5% of batteries wich are done get recycled. And even when you recycle them, you can’t regain 100% of the lithium, because it gets used up in the process. Plus you need lots of energy to regain all those valuable materials. Where dies the energy come from? Well 60-70% from coal power plants over here in europe, wich causes- you guessed it- co2 emmisions.. I think hydrogen engines are the future! Deutz has a hydrogen engine( all without a battery) that is set to hit the market in 2024 and Others will surely follow!

[@josedorsaith5261]

For me, I'm more suspicious of the slave-mining of lithium and rare earth elements in China. I've also seen too many videos of lithium battery explosions in China to trust anything coming out of there

[@JusticeAlways]

@@a_hope_in_hell Where you get the "only 5% batteries get recycled" info?

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

Title: "why Synthetic fuel could replace Electric cars" Me: *HAS FLASHBACKS TO THE PLOT OF CARS 2*

[@purplex360]

Spoiler// Didn't Fillmore's organic fuel save the day though?

[@GC-tn4gg]

@@purplex360 yeah it did. He said he didn't trust the Axelrod's (IDK how it's spelled) fuel. So as long as Porsche have a guy like fil more then we're in good hands

[@aditya5474]

@@GC-tn4gg remember Fillmore was a Volkswagen and Porsche are owned by Volkswagen so maybe they're the answer to save Internal Combustion Engine

[@zinedinekhan1461]

@@GC-tn4gg and sally was a Porsche

[@kredensracing7102]

@@aditya5474 And Fillmore was a VW Transporter t1, which was made on a beetle chassis, and the beetle was designed by Ferdinard Porsche, interesting, huh

[@Elidiot999]

Donut: "Everyone is skipping our ads, we gotta do something!" Zach and James: "..."

[@lukecowell7516]

Still skipped it

[@stoneseabolt]

I tend to love Jer's ridiculous ad reads the most. I never skip those.

[@maguritang]

@@stoneseabolt His uncle is the best.

[@LightningStrike50]

Jobe got me with the "I can buy a car part!"

[@turbo1gts]

I watched, it was totally worth it :)

[@DrShankenstein]

At the beginning of this video I was so excited! At the end of this video I'm completely bummed out.

[@michaelpiotrowicz6100]

Awesome. Possibly the best explanation of atmospheric CO2 I have seen. As for me I am off to Formula E, it's awesome and is pushing future tech.

[@itoooxgames]

I feel very surprised that i live in chile and NOONE BUT LITERALLY NOONE has ever talked about this carbon neutral fuel factory, thank you donut media for doing a better job than my local news

[@Not_Sure_]

You can it anything you want just don't call it "news". I prefer to call it entertainment. They want to keep your attention long enough so you can watch some commercials.

[@daniellau5859]

Why would they tell you? That just means more jobs are available, and jobs keep the people busy and happy.

[@lemster101]

It's pretty common news. Porsche announced it last year.

[@Ritayo-checkmyvideo-ph5dr]

By contrast

[@thegoat-ishere4414]

If you live in that country and no one is talking about this big business investment then it's probably a bad sign for e-fuels

[@botlhe5457]

When he said, "V12s are coming back to formula 1 and LS swaps are going into every Prius," I lost it.

[@matthewjennings7645]

Please keep us posted on updates on this, hydrogen makes so much more sense than EV cars- both for performance and for the environment. Plus I like when cars go vroom

[@Erispedia]

When talking about EVs, what’s on my mind is not environment, but that instant torque.

[@cryptohouse1676]

I want an ev with a small battery and a range extender that runs on clean synthetic fuel. Best of both worlds! Instant torque and instant refueling!

[@Erispedia]

@@cryptohouse1676 There’s one that I know right now that use electric motor for powertrain with ICE under the hood solely for recharging the battery. Surely not yet clean enough but manufacturers already think about it.

[@cryptohouse1676]

@@Erispedia The cleanest solution I have seen is with a turbine as a range extender. It burns cleaner and more complete than a piston generator. One of the companies is called Wrightspeed (one of the founders of Tesla).

[@joe7272]

electric car powered by a large generator

[@TinHatRanch]

“Porsche isn’t the first one to have this idea”. You are correct sir, and had it worked, this video would have been in German.

[@antonioorellana504]

I see, a person cultured in the genius of german chemists

[@Calisota]

I see someone pointing out to the nazis back then trying to create synthetic fuel bc germany was totally ressource depraved and needed a solution to keep the Luftwaffe and Panzervisionen running. Quite a good memory

[@fckSashka]

oooooof good one

[@hybrid_lord]

But their policies are made for electric so it got outlawed... great policies they make.

[@OllamhDrab]

@@Calisota Well, they were trying to use coal, cause that's what they had, not what they preferred when they could get stuff from oil fields.

[@shitfaced6585]

Donut has finally found a way to make me not skip the sponsor read. Impressive!

[@kelvpoon]

Ur comment made me go back to watch it. What did I miss!

[@combinationpizzahutandtaco3782]

horrific and terrible pfp

[@victormleao]

Me too

[@Ritayo-checkmyvideo-ph5dr]

From the

[@brokeandtired]

Ethanol is green...it absorbs CO2 when grown as plants and merely returns it when burnt, to the atmosphere.

[@jammermann]

I have a chemistry test tomorrow and this video really helped

[@gmore70]

Its a really cool gap idea. Great thoughtful video. Also add efficiency to reasons why sythentic fuels will not work for the main stream. BEV Cars from electricity generation, through transmission, to the car's battery. Then from the battery to moving the car forward is around 65% to 77% Traditional Internal Combustion engines, just in burning the fuel in the car, are around 25% to 35%. Remember that the next time you fill up... only 25 to 35 cents for every dollar of fuel you purchase actually makes your car move. So before even taking into the loss of energy in creating and transporting of Synthetic Fuels, Synthetic Fuels cant get passed the 75% to 65% energy loss of an ICE Engine. That loss of energy will make synthetic fuels really expensive and unrealistic...outside of F1....

[@marcuswelch4515]

Those losses exist already. So the only difference would be the energy used to create and transport the e-fuels: from $3.00 to about $5.00 a gallon. As with anything else, expect the price to go down as the technology improves

[@mrfishsticks266]

Be more optimistic pls

[@camcar1091]

The fuel will be pricy in the early stages because there will only be a few refineries, but you can actually mix this with normal gasoline/diesel and as the supply rises you can increase the concentration of synthetic fuel in the gasoline mix. No modification to gas stations or your engine are even needed.

[@muckman5509]

The fuel price will depend on the price of co2 capture per ton

[@camcar1091]

@@muckman5509 that’s very true

[@camcar1091]

@@muckman5509 Also many experts have suggested blending synthetic fuel with normal gasoline as the price for synthetic fuel decreases as supply increases then they increase the concentration of synthetic fuel gradually until it’s at 100%

[@muckman5509]

@@camcar1091 I think when modular nuclear reactors are available, its going to change everything we think about energy. Small waste, large power output that will have a number of uses and applications. Ones direct air capture goes nuclear it will be a runaway train and companies will be regulated on how much Co2 they can capture. Having too little atmospheric co2 is just as dangerous if not more.

[@camcar1091]

@@muckman5509 Yea I agree, price is already a big concern for the synthetic fuel market and nuclear energy would drastically cut the price making the fuels compete with current gasoline if not even cheaper. lol that’s pretty funny how ironic it is that we would be talking too much carbon out of the atmosphere compared to how we are emitting too much at present.

[@gingerbassboard]

Porsche after finishing the Taycan: "I said, forget about it cuh"

[@roodick85]

Lol they cleaned Tesla's clock with ease and then said "who's next??" Ethanol has got to go!

[@George_Shonia]

In fact that taycan is best seller one among Porsches, so...

[@peter7582]

Butanol, next in the alcohol chain to ethanol, can be used as a drop in fuel for gasoline cars. It has an octane rating and energy density similar to premium gas. It can be made using bacteria fermentation from co2 and water. And it can be added to diesel to reduce soot emissions.

[@mugensamurai]

Can we all appreciate how much of a pro gamer move Porsche pulled on Tesla. "I am going to use clean solar and wind electric power to make a clean combustible synthetic fuel."

[@sk-sm9sh]

Except that the reason why people chose electric is little to do about ecology and lot more about fact that EVs have nicer more quiet engine sound, more smooth breaking, more interior space, by far quicker and more responsive acceleration, lower mass center which makes SUV handling feel like sports car, and no emissions that makes us sick in cities. Ecology is just a pretention.

[@darshilshah6329]

@@sk-sm9sh 🤣 Production of ev 21 tons of CO2 Combustion 7tons

[@sk-sm9sh]

@@darshilshah6329 reread what I said. I'm pretty sure I said that ecology is not the reason why EV is gaining traction. Now regarding cost (and CO2) it right now is bad only because it needs a lot of investment in new infrastructure. It will not be as bad once infrastructure is in place.

[@darshilshah6329]

@@sk-sm9sh I'd rather put that infrastructure into synthetic fuels

[@jacobfowler8795]

I couldn’t imagine a world without N/A flat 6’s. I don’t know what I would do without them.

[@keithlarsen8423]

@Jay'sWorld! yeah i wonder lol

[@briane8156]

@@keithlarsen8423 Probably a Subaru 😂

[@guy5828]

@@briane8156 Flat 6s.... Not Flat 4s.... Flat 6s symbolizes porche....

[@keithlarsen8423]

@@guy5828 so them going away wouldnt effect him in the slightest

[@briane8156]

@@guy5828 look up Subaru EZ30/36 :) It was a joke anyway, of course we’re talking about Porsche.

[@Rsenior1981]

Hey guys, I'm an engine engineer at a major car company. Just want to say you did a really good job of summarizing the situation. Nice job!

[@lilyusi]

Nice flex

[@TheTravisTube]

I hope car companies will start to take ownership and pride in work like this that is being done. More people ought to be informed and know that engines aren’t going away! All the hype is surrounding EVs but until the laws of physics change, weight and sustained output will always advantage internal combustion.

[@cosmicjohn174]

@@TheTravisTube cars would be so much more if they started forward thinking from the start, but yes sir I say!

[@kylexbablih]

Are you related to Paul?

[@TheTravisTube]

@Ben Dover Lol that's cute, but how about YOU come back when any full EV posts a faster lap time than the newly released GT3

[@bd1982]

interesting piece of information!!

[@scim2629]

can we all just appreciate how well he pronounces Porsche

[@hiiambarney4489]

yeah, none of that Porsh bullshit.

[@PPablinho]

I'm from Chile and it's funny to see here instead of the local news that Porsche is building a facility here

[@PsychoTwM]

Mencionaron Chile, y lo primero que hice fue mirar los comentarios por algun compatriota 🤣

[@Uncle_Spooky]

Because it isn’t happening? Idk. Occams Razor and all that. You tell us.

[@Not_Sure_]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline Chile is not a small country. It's probably not local to your area. It has almost 1,500 Km longer coast line than Argentina. That's because they don't want you to know what's happening with deals behind closed doors.

[@pedropubill5127]

Viva Chile!!!

[@pedropubill5127]

@@PsychoTwM jajaja hice lo mismo

[@buca9696]

I have nothing against electric cars, I think they're a great option for busy cities and commuting, but if the piston engine is here to stay with clean fuels it will be a win win.

[@ttamcc.4674]

amen

[@yugen3968]

Wayyy more points of failure though with those many moving parts

[@sk-sm9sh]

Enthusiast will always have a choice. But likely only outside cities. In progressive cities there will be more and more regulations introduced on sound and air pollutantion that will keep combustion away.

[@darshilshah6329]

@@yugen3968 what about areas with floods every year like Kerela part of india What will they do use cycles? Synthetic fuels is much more practical

[@yugen3968]

@@darshilshah6329 What?! I think you misunderstood. I was talking about how a combustion engine has many moving parts & thus has more points of failure, unlike an electric battery. I'm not anti-synthetic lol. I think it's as good of an option if implemented correctly.

[@tsvetanvladimirov6970]

They can always add odor and flavoring to the e-Fuel. I think they need to do it for safety as they do on other fuels. (to be able to smell if you have a leak) Or just like in the eJuice for the Vapes - for the love of the smell. There are many project on hydrogen cars, the problem with clean hydrogen is that it is highly flammable, even explosive compared to traditional gas. So I'm not sure how they are going to produce this e-Fuel safely. Cool video btw, really got my hopes up.

[@DatingOnlineAdvice]

Thank you for the hard work on your video I could see his design for the younger crowd but the older crowd have been driving for a whole lot longer can I suggest you remake this video for the older crowd as well with the ones who got the money to buy the cars by the way lol

[@alextoossi3508]

*when the world needed them the most, they appeared*

[@Brian-om2hh]

Nothing's appeared. There is no factory in Chile yet. It hasn't even been started. The whole thing is just at the idea stage.

[@ayazamikanz5299]

"I used carbon to destroy the carbon emissions." -Thanos if he wasn't trying to kill half of the universe.

[@NICKCAMP04]

I used the carbon dioxide to destroy the carbon dioxide

[@ethanclupper7034]

@@NICKCAMP04 I mean, fire puts out fire

[@ricovali9245]

Its impossible to have zero CO2 in the earths atmosphere since the majority of it is produced by the earth.

[@NICKCAMP04]

@@ricovali9245 like from volcanoes

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

@@ricovali9245 No one is denying there is a natural carbon cycle and that life as we know it would not exist without CO2 and the Earth would be an iceball without CO2. However there is a balance, too much CO2 and Earth becomes a hothouse with life limited to the poles.

[@Heavymetallord1]

I think with the environmental climate now and more govt's looking at cleaner fuels this might become more widespread and more explored so I'm hopeful for this

[@patrickosullivan1437]

First off, great video. I just wanted to add something that you guys didn’t really talk about. It’s a process called Fischer-Tropsch synthesis (discovered in the 1920s by German and Dutch scientists... later utilized by the Germans in wwII). Essentially it is Running carbon monoxide and hydrogen feed gas over a catalyst at high temperatures to produce a wide range of clean hydrocarbons with extremely low sulfur counts (as sulfur isn’t a reactant). Research is still being done on the fundamentals of the process but it hasn’t really taken off very well until recently due to the cost of the catalysts (typically Fe, Co, or Ru). Just something I thought y’all at donut might find interesting to look into.

[@johnyoung3044]

"save the combustion engine" new shirt idea donut

[@kittyNya38]

I’d buy one.

[@aditya5474]

@@kittyNya38 I'm thinking when I'm insomnia why don't we create a combustion engine without CO2 emissions is just like ICE & Fuel Cell had a baby you can still hear a roaring engine from the exhaust/tune the engine like old ICE cars but this time no CO2 and this is like a little electrification of Combustion Engine

[@sumgaye5951]

@@aditya5474 that makes no sense

[@aditya5474]

@@sumgaye5951 for today not in the future

[@SR2brother]

I would buy that shirt in a heartbeat

[@dad7321]

Having a loud car and clean environment the best thing out there

[@ripntear33]

Ut L

[@fckSashka]

I don’t wanna be that guy but there’s also something called noise pollution. But yes, loud cars please.

[@ajemajh]

@@fckSashka i literally live on the main road, yes more noise pollution please, i fear a silent voice on my house

[@Brian-om2hh]

Actually it's not, because noise is a form of pollution.....

[@Brian-om2hh]

A loud car could get your car seized in the UK. Noise is classed as pollution. Too noisy and your car gets seized.

[@koiyujo1543]

as much as I love EV's I still want the Internal combustion engine to stay who doesn't like loving hearing the sound of the power of an engine?

[@_checkit]

These are the only ads I don't skip

[@jakenough2753]

I love that the commercials are just an excuse to have jobe do donuts. Only commercials I watch

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

@F*СК MЕ - СНЕCK МY РR0FILЕ lol reported

[@danielackerman8398]

@@hamiltonsullivan6563 yeah I always report that kinda ish too such bullshit

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

@@danielackerman8398 yah I wish I could physically kick them off this platform

[@calebkopitsky7611]

The scrapped Audi synthetic fuel project was probably just moved to Porsche and became what we have today with the Chile thing. Two VW brands wouldn’t do something this big independent of each other

[@seamusmckeon9109]

Using this fuel will be a savior to car enthusiasts and people with old cars

[@jumpierwolf]

Sounds great but cost ends up being the problem with solutions such as these. The amount of energy required to produce the fuel is quite a bit and as a result the price ends up being high.

[@jacktaylor5432]

Formula one has been researching this for a couple years now it’s good to see a road car manufacturer also putting effort in

[@Shimeih]

With this we can save not only our cars but also our favorite sports like F1, NASCAR, Indy, Supercars etc

[@dominickschnider3961]

That's the dumbest thing you've could have said but nice try

[@Shimeih]

@@dominickschnider3961 huh?

[@dbclass4075]

@@dominickschnider3961 Why not? How else will we preserve history of automotive engineering? Notice steam locomotives have done similar: instead of coal, they use atomized oil.

[@dominickschnider3961]

@@dbclass4075 you still take fuel and test it over and over. It's cool how your able to take co2 and balance it out but your still putting it out there and thats never going to change. They've never had this out for "long term" to see what the effects and outcome will be. Alot of other companies try or have tried to do this but you realize that I'll cost more than diesel or cars you'll have to rebuild so it can use it. It's far from now that everyone will be able to use it.

[@dbclass4075]

@@dominickschnider3961 That is point, "It's far from now that *everyone* will be able to use it." It is not meant for mass market; it is meant for niche market of petrolheads who wanted to keep their internal combustion engine vehicles operational. In the first place, Porsche is catering for a niche market. It is not surprising they developed another niche product.

[@albundy8052]

Natural Gas engine exhaust is CLEANER than the air the engine inhaled😊

[@Dethmeister]

Does anyone remember a car company that had a fresh air inlet into the exhaust system that mixed with the fumes and just made it look like the exhaust was cleaner when it exited the tailpipe? Or is that just how all new cars are getting around the cleaner exhaust mandate?

[@lofro1717]

If you guys made every KZbin ad, I would never skip them.

[@YyouTTubeE]

i still skip ads even if it's porn clips

[@RickTroutner]

I feel like knowing that Jeremiah sucks at tennis helps me better understand efuel

[@aspacenerdfromflorida1134]

LMAO

[@solarwalkman]

It's essential information

[@dbclass4075]

He traded away the skill of tennis in favour of efuel knowledge.

[@batista8866]

As soon as I found out about EV takeover. Depression literally kicked in. Until I hear about this synthetic fuel idea. Hopefully Porsche make a breakthrough.

[@Bmontepeque11]

You know, I would be happy even if this just works for keeping the already existing ICE cars running, but If this actually allows for new ICE cars, it would be paradise :')

[@glockenspiel4402]

I agree. Imagine you can buy a brand new car with an ICE engine in 2050. This is the dream that I want

[@Bmontepeque11]

@@glockenspiel4402 OH YES! I want that dreak to come true! 🙌✨

[@petsdinner]

POV: it's 2030, you're moisturised, hydrated, in your lane, driving a v12, smelling like Castrol R...

[@RockkLeeee]

"So stick around I guess, no big deal really. We're just gonna figure out how to figure out how save internal combustion" LMFAO!!!

[@Exztasy]

haha, I was looking at this as he was saying that

[@dbclass4075]

@@Exztasy I notice what is happening here have similarities to steam locomotives: they are kept alive due to alternative fuels. Atomized oil instead of coal.

[@Brian-om2hh]

It's going to be one hell of a struggle to save something which is going to cease production in the next few years.... Ok, you can play around with what you've already got, but one day even that will die.

[@ChickenatorJr]

Smelling your gas at the end totally got me bro

[@tommygunn3369]

That sponsor ad is the best I've seen on a KZbin channel.

[@BulkBrogan.]

As a young guy who's just starting to get into the idea of restoring cars this makes me so hopeful

[@guerillla6]

Me too

[@blobinski9160]

same

[@SweatyFatGuy]

You will want to learn a few things in addition to welding, painting, engine and transmission building.. like how to make your own ethanol and how to convert carbs and EFI systems to run on it.. its really simple stuff. I can help you.. Its a lot cheaper than hydrogen, makes more power, and will also run on hydrogen with stupid high compression ratios. :)

[@MazdaMiataMX-]

Me also

[@richardlinares6314]

There shouldn't be a problem for the classics. I doubt anyone wants to restore a Ford Fusion or any of these minivans people call "SUVs" though.

[@BruceDoesStuff]

"Not me, I wanna SMELL the gas!" - Jermimiah Burton, reminding everyone that he IS in fact from Florida!

[@flamcheeseful]

Underrated comment

[@jondoe6926]

The shithole of USA. No sexy women, no good schools, no sports teams, no nothing but old people. No medical. No healthcare. Just a shit place all-around.

[@BruceDoesStuff]

@@jondoe6926 "no sports teams"... you mean other than the current Stanley Cup, Superbowl, and MLB American League champions, the 2013 NBA champions, 1-2 more franchises in EACH of the premier sports leagues... I'm honsetly not sure you could sound like more of a dumbass if you actively tried!

[@bibleboys3560]

Super Great Video, 🙏

[@NateGfit]

This is awesome!

[@straightbusta2609]

Replace? I don't think so. Co-Exist? Absolutely. This is what we car enthusiasts have been waiting for

[@godzilla_area5111]

Porsche 911 993 I love the way are you thinking

[@straightbusta2609]

@Porsche 911 993 yeassss!

[@private6549]

If enthusiast can co-exist beside environmentalist with this technology I'd be happy. But I don't have the money for a Porsche so this needs to go to other brands as well.

[@faraziqbal8075]

I'd prefer that instead of full replacement anyways, more fuel for us gearheads that the normies aren't eating up

[@SableDrakon]

@@private6549 Well... You can't DRM fuel.. So if Porsche makes it, every gearhead can use it. The question is more along the lines of "Is Porsche's fuel going to be affordable by the average person?"

[@Schwelheimer]

I literally just ended a college final presentation about the electrification of Transportation so a lot on EV‘s and alternative fuels so this video would have been amazing a week ago. Haha love the content tho

[@theyz105]

F1 has recently been talking about bringing back 2 strokes, since theyve been able to advance the technology to be on par with 4 strokes of a similar engine size, and considering that 2 strokes have twice as many power strokes, they can make the engines much smaller, therefore producing way less emissions. If you combine that idea with these fuels, we may have a winner. This also makes me excited cause two strokes are one of the coolest engine designs ever, thats why I ride a 01 CR250 lol

[@nomadworld6192]

Why people complicate everything? Plants collect air and water using solar power, we can make biodiesel, ethanol and possibly gasoline. The only problem is area, but make a vertical green house is probably cheaper than dig oil.

[@brandonpratt5701]

Remember when bumper to bumper was a complete walk around bizzare and iconic cars? Pepperidge farm remembers

[@howardna9703]

Really want a reshoot of ur quattro

[@ast3rickk31]

You have no idea how much I love Porsche right now for what they’re doing

[@kooooons]

They literally said in the video, that this is nothing new. Porsche also isn't the only company - bosch is pushing it too. E-Fuels are probably gonna be crazy expensive so it's probably gonna be a thing for hobbyists and rich people.

[@Berke5050]

@@kooooons they would never put so much effort in this just to let it be a niche product so I don't think so

[@gunner38ED]

@@Berke5050 Bosch is into it too and they say that, in the long run, they expect the price of e-fuel to be between 1 and 1.4 €/litre, excise taxes not included. It will be between 2 and 3 times more expensive than today's gasoline, which is already expensive due to taxes in many places.

[@kooooons]

@@Berke5050 of course they would, they put an enormous amount of effort into each of their cars and almost all of them are niche products. Edit: ironically the porsches that are *not* niche products use engines from the Volkswagen group, so these are the cars that use the least effort in developing

[@kooooons]

@@gunner38ED to be fair: most places tax fuel because based on the environmental effect so there would be no reason to put THESE taxes on e-Fuels. However, I doubt that these prices are realistic especially because green hydrogen is incredibly valuable for a number of applications, therefore the demand will be high while currently it doesn't seem likely, that this demand can be covered soon. The price of hydrogen might skyrocket and with it the price of e-Fuels would, too. Edit: I wonder how the get the prices because it seems exceptionally low. To get to similar prices I need to assume high efficiencies and low overhead cost. That would only be possible with producing 24/7 but I doubt, that this is possible using only excess wind energy.

[@ZGtx]

In Brazil we use sugar cane ethanol since the 80's, and theoretically it is easier and cleaner than Porsche solution. Also, it gives you about 10+ hp than gasoline.

[@shakranandi8542]

The opportunity cost of the land area used for biofuels makes it a rather unsustainable solution. Maybe if they were based on algae it would be different but not on land

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

Great job on the Uncle Jerry pic!

[@theisoo8863]

This will synthetic fuel will save EVERY car guys life

[@ttamcc.4674]

amen

[@KA-vs7nl]

We don't need to transition away from fossil fuels at all, you fools just all fall for the climate hoax though. Enjoy the coming ice age :)

[@Su-33HATER]

@@KA-vs7nl you like trump, right?

[@KA-vs7nl]

@@Su-33HATER nope. Hate him. Are you gonna ask something intelligent next?

[@andrewgonzalo2608]

@@KA-vs7nl did you watched the entire video?

[@lennoxwilliams5425]

I've dreamt about owning a combustion engine sports car my whole life and was so disappointed with the crack down of fuel emissions thinking I may never get a chance. Now I have hope, thank you Porsche.

[@mercury0214]

Lol you know gas cars were never going anywhere right everyone just overreacted cause they have no idea how a bill is passed lol

[@lennoxwilliams5425]

@@mercury0214 I was just freaking out because California announced that they will be fully electric by 2035 and I thought everyone else would follow suit

[@roadmaster9777]

@@lennoxwilliams5425 what about used cars

[@RockSolitude]

@@lennoxwilliams5425 Massachusetts, Europe, UK and Japan have all followed suit.

[@VintageCars999]

I know Dodge is talking about the end of the V8.

[@wildbill6976]

The bombshell that the greenies neglect to mention; gasoline powered cars are already cleaner than EV's The majority of the pollution a vehicle generates is when it's being manufactured, and lithium mining and processing for batteries is extremely intensive

[@braedenblack6116]

This is cool hope it works out. Setup plants to make it everywhere there are clear power sources. This would reduce shipping. Then make new cars on an as needed basis instead of build thousands of them that just use resources and then sit on lots or in shipping yards waiting to be bought. Just an idea, since it’s not just driving that causes damage to the environment but manufacturing as well.