WHY?!? 🤬 Tesla Killed the 12V Outlets and USB Ports!

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In a recent software update, Tesla quietly killed the 12V outlets and USB ports when the car is in Sentry Mode. This change has rendered in car fridges completely worthless. Watch the video to learn what you can do about it.
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[@BitJam]

This sucks! At first I thought my fridge was broken. I am very disappointed with Tesla. They didn't even warn us, letting people discover it on their own with food not kept cold.

[@iowatesla]

Agreed

[@MikeRadioNY]

@@BitJam they didn’t warn us. But they did change the language in the user manual online. They really should put all the release notes in an update back in the day. They used to be a lot more specific in those update notes

[@DreDresChapters]

Use. Camp. Mode.

[@anthonyscott5134]

@@DreDresChapters , um, didn’t he show that camp mode didn’t work either, or had its own issue?

[@chrisp1336]

@@BitJam Didn’t warn us that our Custom Lite shows wouldn’t work anymore either.

[@brianmittler7218]

I am glad you posted this. I am having the same problem now I now why. I am opening a service call on this today.

[@iowatesla]

Good luck. 🍀

[@aaronb7990]

Good idea, make them deal with it in their system.

[@superkikim4916]

I made some more tests and I checked the service menu today. They did way more than just disable permanent power to the outlets. They also put a hard limit at 10A. Before I plug in the River 2 Pro, I see 15.50V at 1A consumption. When I plug in the EcoFlow, it goes up to 10A and drops. The River 2 Pro goes higher than the set limit (which is 4, 6 or 8A) to test and then go down to the configured limit. This is enough for Tesla to drop the power. I have opened a ticket to EcoFlow given if there is a limit it should not go over to test ! That means in the current state, even when driving or in camp mode, you cannot have a device that goes upper 8.5Amp even for a second to make a test. Tesla will drop and reinitialize. This is most probably a way for Tesla to ensure power availability for internal systems when required. Beware and verify your fridges behavior even while driving or in camp mode. This is a totally unacceptable move from Tesla. Given the manual clearly states the outlets can provide 12A continuously with peaks at 16A, the new limits are outrageous. And after two Tesla, the next one will definitely not be one. Too much disregards for customers. I'm in a country where legal action for this kind of stuff is a utopia. So if you are in the US, want to make some tests, and raise the legal issue of lying to customers and changing terms unilaterally, be my guest. You might help a lot of disappointed Tesla owners.

[@jamaicantesladriver]

This has already been a huge hassle. I use Model Ys for limo service to keep client's wine cold in the fridge, so it is a huge problem. Right now I have to use camp mode set as the same temperature as outside (to save battery) and remember to lock the door and I can't use Sentry mode so if my clients have their valuables in the vehicle I can't check on them remotely any more. I use the Model Y because it saved me from having to do a lot of aftermarket work to get the vehicle ready to take clients. But this takes things back a bit. I too agree with a toggle, in fact, I wanted to have them add one anyway that I can keep on the outlets at all times no matter the situation of the car.

[@iowatesla]

Great feedback. Thank you.

[@creolerican]

HMMM, I question folks that would think a model Y is a LIMO. They are obviously on a tight budget

[@jamaicantesladriver]

@@creolerican LOL yeah I get that, but however I keep my car makes them feel a lot more luxurious than mostly anyone else. It's been my thing for over 20 years and I am not quite sure why but every single person that gets into my Tesla (and every car I've owned before that) is that my car just seems a lot more luxurious than anyone else's. I will also note, the white on black version is the one that gets the most amount of praise, even with the Model 3 I used in the beginning. For the record I also had a white Model Y with black interior and that got markedly less praise, so those white seats are key. Also, most companies use 2017-2018 Suburban style vehicles for the same kind of service, so my competition is not exactly that luxurious to begin with. Limo aka Black Car services typically have to use older cars to make money so it is 'supposed' to be about the service...though that too has fallen deeply thanks to Uber/Lyft making everyone feel that they can run a car service business. Overall though, anyone who prefers a smartphone over a traditional phone seems to think cars with big screens are more luxurious, even if they are from Kia.

[@TheWizardofWestLA]

I had to install a 100ah LiFePo to keep everything running. I use those ports for camping, my long road trips and to power my ham radios. When I drive, the battery charges. Trickle charge works well.

[@SamiAnderson]

how did you setup the charger? dc to dc charger or some other option?

[@brandenflasch]

This is an infuriating change.

[@iowatesla]

It is for me and it would appear a lot of people based on the response to this video.

[@LordTimelord]

Agreed!

[@jonkrispeterson6678]

Jim! You are now famous in Sarasota County! The Sarasota Tesla owners page shared this video. Great job. I told people on the Facebook page to follow you for more great information.

[@iowatesla]

Wow! Thanks for letting me know.

[@coleboonecustoms]

Not only did the change brick your cooler, it also bricked some nice features of S3XY buttons. Being able to pop the frunk using the exterior door handles won't work since the commander module is not powered on while standing outside the car. While this is only true when the S3XY commander module is installed in the rear of the console, it can be fixed by reinstalling it under the dash up front. This presents a conundrum if you (like myself) are also using a Teslogic display which also requires the use of the same plug under the dash to pull data. I use a Bluetti EB55 power bank to power everything including a power-hungry Verizon MiFi Hotspot box to provide WiFi for sending dash cam footage to the cloud. This also provides WiFi connection for a stand alone cell phone which is running the JBV1 app as a powerful companion for the Valentine V1V2 radar detector. I realized that the 12V socket charging wattage was cut in half thus, now not keeping up with the power drain form the EB55 like it used to. So, now I will need to use a 110VAC Bluetti charger about once per week to give it a boost. What a mess. I just don't understand why the X and S are unaffected.

[@iowatesla]

I'm kinda hoping the S3XY button guys can find a way to enable this again with their voodoo magic.

[@coleboonecustoms]

@@iowatesla It may be as simple as tripping the "somebody is in the seat" sensor. I tried to do this using dumbbells but gave up after using 40lbs and it was not enough.

[@_PatrickO]

"I just don't understand why the X and S are unaffected." Poors can't afford those vehicles.

[@GunPilot3000]

I have a 300w jackery that i run from rear 12v outlet to fridge. This will keep my fridge running for almost 24 hours. Then it will charge back up during the next day of driving. This can be a solution.

[@John101B]

I have both Jackery 1500 and 300. I do use 300 all the time and did even before this happened. But for me, the 300 doesn't last 24 hours. But for my use, it can provide 6 hours which is plenty. If I need the battery power for longer periods, I'll bring the 1500.

[@TKSung]

Having to carry an electric power bank in an electric car is the silliest thing. I'll buy Hyundai the next time if I have to buy Jackeries and inverters to make use of Tesla as a camper.

[@John101B]

@@TKSung True, except that in many ways, Ioniq 5 can't provide many things a Tesla MY can. I looked at both models carefully before choosing MY. So my wish is for Tesla to provide a Hyundai-like outlet, or Hyundai to provide a long list of what it currently doesn't offer on their models. I don't think either is going to happen anytime soon, so for now, this is the best option for me.

[@DrewPine]

Thank you for bringing attention to this. Tesla really needs to fix this and restore functionality that vehicle owners have been using safely for years now. Tesla also very seriously needs to consider how it handles these types of changes in the future. It is extremely disrespectful to existing vehicle owners to slyly remove a feature without ANY notification other than a silent update to the owner’s manual. I’m very bitter about this change and the manner in which it was rolled out, and it seriously has me reconsidering ever purchasing another Tesla in the future.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

My guess is there’s going to be a lawsuit over this. They can’t simply remove features. But here’s the reality: the only way your car will remain the way it always is is if you get an old car with no ability to get updates.

[@nfr3416]

As a user of 24/7 oxygen, I can no longer make sure my portable concentrators are fully charged.

[@roncurry2891]

I totally agree

[@Rabs73]

I agree. Not good enough Tesla

[@iowatesla]

This is a great reason why they need to stay on. Thanks for sharing.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

This hit me realy hard as we do allot of camping and always used Sentry mode active at tge campsite to power our under back trunk DC cooler with a smaller colder set to -15 deg for a freezer in the back. Also used a special 12vdc to 120vac inverter to power my Starlink so I could work at the campsite, come on Tesla fix this issue, updated the software similar to the Cybertruck accessory options

[@gizmopilot]

I actually opened a service call on this, service waited almost 2 weeks - the day before my appointment and remotely resolved the issue saying that is how it works now. I use an ecoflow that supports 2 12 volt plugs and turn on the cars hvac and leave it on for the 2 hour max. This typically refills my ecoflow that holds 2000 watts of power and I use a bodega refrigerator/freezer

[@frankfountain7680]

Great idea! Which EcoFlow, where do do place it, and how do you route the wires?

[@iowatesla]

It’s a shame it’s needed at all given that the car is a huge battery back.

[@AlanTrades]

How do you charge it? The 12 volt is enough?

[@gizmopilot]

In May 2023 I purchased the ecoflow delta 2 max (link above-apparently you can’t post a link it got deleted ). They had a deal with 2 portable solar panels that also made it eligible for a %30 discount off my taxes. It came with a 12volt charging plug and the app allows upto 8amp or about 110 watts of charge. I purchased an extra 12 volt plug and a 12 volt extension so I can use the front plug simultaneously- I see via the app (bluetooth) that I get as much as 157 watts of charging. The app also shows the power draw of the bodega which is as much as 110 watts. With this solution I see about a 15% Drop of charge in 24 hours on the ecoflow. I use the tesla app and remotely turn on the hvac and leave it on for the full two hours and it typically fully recharges the ecoflow I use the ecoflow for tailgating as well powering an electric grill and keurig machine. The ecoflow can rapid charge from any 120 volt plug as well

[@MrBuyerman]

Wow, who'd have thought that ota software updates leave you at the mercy of the company... Next month, the subscription service starts for 12v outlets!

[@iowatesla]

Let's hope not.

[@x2100]

I notice that the 12v not working too after an update. Quite scary what an ota can do. Don’t say anything bad or the car might lock you in and drive to an unspecified place to face the consequences 😅

[@TY-kb9fc]

Tesla needs to stop taking away options. Give a warning for enabling or disabling and leave it at that. Let the customer decide and stop it with these games Tesla.

[@iowatesla]

This one seems random and over reaching.

[@reasonitout9087]

Your videos are really really helpful.thank you. I have hw3 now on my '18 Model 3. I charge model airplane batteries at the flying field with a little Spektrum 12 Volt DC charger. I leave the door open and charge outside the car. I set the charger to 2.5 Amps max so I don't overheat the 12 jack of my 2018 Tesla. I have experienced overloading the 12 Volt circuit and it trips out and won't come back on for 1/2 hr. There is no physical fuse.

[@iowatesla]

Yea. They have an auto resetting breaker. I'm learning a lot of new use cases for keeping the power on.

[@wt9653]

Tesla engineers need to be smarter than that. Let it auto shutoff 12v socket when the current exceeds 10 amps. More like 12 amps. That will stop anyone from trying to add an inverter to the socket. What is the purpose of shutting down the USB c ports??? Unless they are in the same circuit.

[@edthelazyboy]

Oftentimes it's management's decision. It's well known that Elon overruled engineers like with the radar sensor's removal.

[@iowatesla]

No idea. I think they are doing whatever they can to extend range of the car by tightly controlling all power draws.

[@tips4tesla407]

already does that, newer teslas have E fuse, older have actual fuse

[@wt9653]

@@tips4tesla407 ???? What does that have to do with disabling the 12v socket. I said they need to set the limit to 10 amp current draw. That requires computing and not just a Efuse

[@tips4tesla407]

@@wt9653 what do you think trips the E fuse if not computing? maybe you should make a EV... lmao

[@LordTimelord]

I picked up a non Foundation series dual motor cybertruck 2 weeks ago. It only has usb-c outlets and a 20 amp 120 volt outlet inside the cab. The tailgate has two more 20 amp 120 volt outlets and a 240-volt outlet. I just traded in my model y dual motor long range for the cybertruck. I was using a compressor fridge freezer off the rear outlet like you were. At least for cyber truck owners. If they have a compressor fridge freezer like I do it can run on 12-volt or 120 volt. So I can work around it by using the 120-volt cable into one of the outlets in the Cyber truck. The 120 volt outlets and the USB C's remain online if you keep the beds outlets turned on in the interface.

[@r.schmalzried7315]

It was another plus for an EV to have a fridge. I would like to have the option for ports always on, regardless of sentry mode. Very convenient to keep your fridge stocked.

[@matsgardin8332]

Thanks for posting! The reason I found your video was that I was searching how to solve that my 12V suddenly failed. I use it a lot, In Dec-Jan for a “Christmas” light and a fridge in summer. The battery loss is negligible. /Mats from Sweden

[@kelindrawn]

On my M3 2020 LR, they also switch off immediately. Thanks for the video!

[@everssteven]

Sneaky change, I already knew a software update can improve your car overtime but it might just as well make it worse.

[@bobkoch3513]

That would explain why I can’t use the 12 volt outlet to put air into my tires with my air compressor plugged into the 12 volt port. I’ll have to try it with the door open.

[@ghost307]

If you have a low tire in the rain just park and wait for the rain to stop.

[@iowatesla]

Door open or tailgate open is your only options. You can also put it in camp mode temporarily.

[@ZoranAUS]

bloody pricks, this was massive for me, I've since taped into the 16V DC rail with a separate battery system in between my loads

[@chipspaulding1371]

5:16 “In my 2023 Model Y, I use a Starlink Mini in mobile mode to handle all of my Wi-Fi and connectivity needs while on the road. However, the current 12V power setup in the Tesla cuts off power to these devices when the car is off, which causes the connection to drop. It’s frustrating because Starlink takes some time to reconnect once the car restarts. I’m not running high-power equipment like refrigerators-just a low-power device for consistent connectivity. Tesla really needs to address this, perhaps by allowing a lower amperage draw on the 12V system for these types of devices. Throttling the amperage for those who abuse it could be a fair compromise. I hope Tesla takes feedback like this into consideration.”

[@iowatesla]

Agreed. Thanks for watching!

[@mikemike1001zz]

Many people buy the model y to go camping and long road trips because they can use the 12v outlet for the fridge and other electrical stuff. The sales for the Y will definitely drop.

[@iowatesla]

It is great for camping.

[@jp-3dairgunworks152]

I doubt majority of people buying decision for a model y is only for camping. that is like saying people only buy the Cybertruck to get mudding. yes you can, but the overwhelming majority does not.

[@Rhaman68]

Camping involves using Camping Mode and outlets work. Only in Sentry Mode do these outlets do work.

[@MikeRadioNY]

@@mikemike1001zz based on the negativity regarding this, I have a feeling they will return it to at least a toggle so you can say if you want your outlets to stay on or off. I totally understand this if it was a legitimate safety concern, but it’s not there hasn’t been any problems that have caused major fires or issues due to this so there’s really no reason to be proactive when there’s no reason to be proactive for nothing.

[@dennisschlieckau8723]

⁠@@iowateslaGenerally speaking, you don’t need Sentry mode while camping. I don’t like using it because it’s such a power hog. It’s a minor inconvenience, but I do hope they come up with a suitable compromise though. I’m curious what the power consumption is for those Fridge coolers? Do they make a freezer version? I would like to get one when we get the Juniper Y sometime next year.

[@davidpearn5925]

At the CEO level, Tesla doesn't give about the owner after the cheque has cleared. Pumping for the shareholders is the only priority.

[@PicNickPhoto]

Wow. Glad I didn’t click buy on that Tesla fridge I was seriously considering. 😮

[@wt9653]

Just go by a power station or buy a refrigerator with a built-in battery. My Bluetti multi cooler lasts for more than 36 hours per charge. You charge the battery when driving with the 12v socket.

[@PicNickPhoto]

@@wt9653 nice! Thanks for the suggestion. Was immediately considering a power station but will definitely check out that fidge too.

[@anishsomani]

Thanks for the very informative video

[@iowatesla]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@a-1gaming358]

You should make a petition we can all sign and send to Tesla

[@cool2180]

People need to start protesting. That’s the only way these companies will get it.

[@fredo074]

Did the fridge works with a 16v battery? I have a 16v battery... I dont found the info. Thx.

[@TromboneAl]

Thanks! 1. Which Igloo fridge is that? 2. Camp Mode workaround: turn off A/C (use manual), set the temp so that it's near the outside temp (don't use LO), and set the fan speed to 1. This is my plan for using the fridge during power outages.

[@techgeektesla]

I love how you test this. Cool. I learned something.

[@iowatesla]

Thanks! I appreciate it.

[@123utubeboob]

Great information this answered all my questions. Thank you!

[@NoNo-uf4wz]

Is this update also to the old models like the old model s 85d? Does it work there?

[@SmoothbassmanStudios]

This is wild!! They need to add this to the UI to turn this back on. I keep my camera batteries topped off while I'm away. Always a fresh battery available. Now there's bot even an option for it.

[@calebmcclure3893]

The portable battery option seems to be the best. They are actually quite popular nowadays, and whilst i know not everyone owns one. I own two, and will essentially be using them as a UPS to power my electrical devices when i'm away from the car.

[@triforcelink]

Do they not have fuses for their 12v outlets?

[@iowatesla]

They do. They have resettable breakers.

[@senseofstile]

Thanks for the info. I don't have a Tesla (yet). There are a few things that very intriguing about owning one. The autopilot and self driving modes along with the camp mode. I already thought that 12v outlet would shut off if the car wasn't on. My guess was I could set up a small 12v power supply pugged into the 12v outlet and the fridge plugged into the 12v 12v power supply. Do you think that would work? Regarding the camp mode and the heat pump. Are you saying to avoid camp mode?

[@LewisMarroquin]

This explains why my Dash cams stopped working. Yeah the Tesla has built in dash cams, but I found out the hard way that the built in dash cams are unreliable in the way that their video cut off prematurely to capture the incident before and after moment. So thats why I use dash cams, which continuously record, even while parked. Now thats gone out the window with this update

[@MikeRadioNY]

There is supposedly is another workaround. Although they didn’t tell anybody about this change, they did update the online user manuals. One of the things it says, although it’s written horribly, is that the outlets will stay on when the car is being charged. Can you do a test and check this?? So if you are at a place like a campground or a hotel and you can plug the car in to charge, and the outlets supposedly stay on… can you do a test like that? Here is the text from the manual….. “Power is available when the vehicle detects that a user is present. A user is considered present when a person is in the driver seat or interacts with the touchscreen. Power is also available whenever the low voltage battery is being charged or is in use, when you charge the high voltage Battery, or when the vehicle is communicating with the mobile app. Leaving an accessory plugged in does not deplete the low voltage battery.” What is interesting here is that it’s been updated in the legacy model 3 and model Y, but the highland model 3 still has the old message that says that power is available. Anytime sentry mode is on. This would be good to test because it would be at least one way that the power outlets may stay on.

[@iowatesla]

I’ll need to check that. However, not really a good workaround when road tripping. Thanks for watching!

[@MikeRadioNY]

@@iowatesla I suppose if you’re road tripping and you stop for a quick bite or get out for a little while you can just use camp mode for that small time however, if you go to a hotel while you’re road tripping at night and plug into their charger, if your cooler stays connected, that would definitely be a help.

[@MikeRadioNY]

If you can check that it would be great. It would sure help me out since I’m going on a huge road trip next month and I need to bring a cooler to keep food frozen. I have a device in my car that’s plugged into the USB-C in the center console and that seems to stay on as I can monitor the battery status through and batteries appand this is why the car is charging and even when it’s plugged into the charger and the charger is paused. So it looks like that works, but I’m not sure about the DC plug.

[@zoltank8044]

"A user is considered present when a person is... interacts with the touchscreen." So how about this; roll a window down, get out and interact with the touchscreen, then with mobile app close the windows.???

[@MikeRadioNY]

@@iowatesla any news on this or also may be keeping the ASS system in standby

[@anthonyflexas]

I just don’t get why can that be an option for you to choose

[@IronBeagle]

Guessing that models without USB in the glove box keep USB powered for memory stick.

[@iowatesla]

That could be. Didn't think about that.

[@IronBeagle]

@ an additional thought, early Model Y had data available on the USB ports in the console while later models (like mine Sept 2022) only have power.

[@superkikim4916]

So many things wrong about Camp mode (and camping with a Tesla). I'm currently camping. I own an Ecoflow Glacier. Doesn't fit the sub-trunk, but fit my needs. It has a removable battery. So that's a good point now. I also own an Ecoflow River 2 Pro. Previously, it would get 160W from the 12V outlet (which is a 12-16V for instance) which can handle 12A with peaks at 16A. The Ecoflow has an automatic mode (car/solar charging) and 160W is normally for solar. But still, it was stable at 160W. If I force it to car charging, it would reach 110W steady. Since latest updates, I get mad with the instability. In Car charging, I can select the max amp from the River 2 Pro. Max being 8A. When I set my River 2 Pro to 8A, it reaches 128W, then go down to 110W and ... should be steady. But now, it drops after some seconds, and start again. To get a table charging, I had to go down to 6A which is a huge drawback on my hope for power autonomy. My 800W River 2 Pro is exactly what I need a day for autonomy. But now, I need to juggle with opening the trunk, enabling/disabling camp mode, opening doors. For a hope to get a full charge in the morning. I have to say I do not sleep with camp mode on, because it drastically dries up the air in the car, and my doc and I end up dry mouth, and thirsty like hell in the morning, with sometimes a headache. I just wish indeed I could enable/disable the outlets at will.

[@Phamtom_images]

does wireless charger pads on center console still work on sentry mode?

[@jouan1]

What happens if you turn off sentry mode? Is the 12 V outlet available then?

[@depthcharge6215]

Im assuming it was draining the 12v battery which is covered under waranty and people were taking advantage of the warranty battery replacement?

[@jakekarll8294]

Best solution for right now is to use a little buffer power station. I bought a EcoFlow river 2 for just over $100. Plug in the fridge into the battery, then plug the battery into a 12v socket. As long as you drive for an hour or more a day, that is enough time to charge the battery to keep the battery charged, and thus the fridge powered. Also can use Tessie or another 3rd party app to set automations for camp mode to turn on for an hour or two to charge the battery, as well as lock the car.

[@1JohnnyCruiser]

That sucks. I guess the work around is to get jackery or similar. Then you can also run your small appliances off it too when camping.

[@alexgayer85]

Reading the comments, it appears there are a lot more refrigerators being kept in cars than I realized.

[@superkikim4916]

PS: Returning from holidays I drove for 2150km. The electricity costs were higher than they would have been with a diesel car. I don't know about the US, but in Europe, the charging station providers and electricity providers must have some kind of cartel, selling charge kWh very expensive. In supercharge (150kW and above), the price is usually between 0.7 and 0.9USD a kWh while if you charge at home, it's more like 0.2 to 0.4. Anyway. This is not directly related to Tesla (The superchargers still being the cheapest). But I'm in a rant mood ;-)

[@damasterg]

Is it possible not to do the update? Will it make the update mandatory after a certain amount of time

[@joejimmy8088]

هذا جيد للحفاظ على البطارية 🤷🏻 وهذا ما يحدث مثل باقي السيارات الغير كهربائية عندما تغلق السيارة كل شي ينطفئ هناك بعض الأشخاص ينسون ان هناك في السيارة يتم شحنها وهذا يسبب إفراغ البطارية إذا تريدها تشحن هاتفك او اى شىء آخر ابقي في السيارة او أجعل الباب مفتوح اما بنسبه للثلاجه التى تستعملها في السيارة اغلب الناس لا يضعون ثلاثة في السيارة!! واذا تريدها شغالة دائما أستخدم بنك الطاقة مع الثلاجة ✅ عندما تغلق السيارة تبقي الثلاجة الصغيرة شغالة

[@mowcowbell]

Thanks for posting this! I was considering a 12v fridge for my Model Y, but I won't bother with it now.

[@iowatesla]

Good to save your money for now.

[@EV-Darryl]

Agreed, me too.

[@EV-Darryl]

Great video, appreciate the info. Stay safe.

[@zoltank8044]

I saw these videos just before the latest update became available. I did not update and refuse to do so until Tesla addresses this issue (don't have auto wifi/update.)

[@im4udevco]

I’m going to look at the schematic for the early model Y and see how the 12V outlets and USBs are wired.

[@drumaganger]

I have a 2023 Model Y and I got the trunk fridge last month. I was wondering why my trunk fridge stopped working. I have a wall AC adapter that I use to pre-cool the fridge before I use it. I guess I’ll do that when I take a trip and take the fridge into the hotel at night. Kind of defeats the purpose of having the fridge but I still won’t have to mess with ice.

[@Tim_Gravy]

Just use a battery backup to run everything and plug that into the 12volt to charge when ur not using it. Just need to find one that can use passthru

[@ClayFranklin]

Seems like a good idea because the 12 volt battery is pretty wimpy and if it dies the car will not work. The extra power pack seems like a better solution than killing your battery.

[@iowatesla]

The 12V battery constantly charged by the main pack. Shouldn't be a problem.

[@curtchase3730]

To throw more gas on the fire, the latest models use 16v instead of 12. Now the single "ciggy" lighter recept has 16v on it! Plugged my heated coffee mug into it shortly after taking delivery on my M3LR and the device went into protect mode! Too much voltage! So, instead of consumer accessories damaging circuits in the car, the car can damage the stuff you plug into it! LOL. I do have a car fridge that will operate up to 24v and it WILL work off the lighter socket, but subjected to the same woes that the 12v system has, insofar that it powers down when you leave the car!

[@lucidf8]

I was using my Tesla during a 3 day power failure to charge my Solar Power Generators…. I learned pretty quickly to turn on Camp Mode. I suppose you could leave your door open if the car is inside a secure garage…. But, yeah this change sucks.

[@TromboneAl]

The manual says ""Power is available when the vehicle detects that a user is present. A user is considered present when a person is in the driver seat or interacts with the touchscreen. " What about putting a weight on the front seat??

[@iowatesla]

Will need to see if that keeps the climate controls off.

[@1hjehje]

I don't own a Tesla, but I found this to be an interesting video. I have a Honda Pilot that has 180 w 12 v outlets in the front and back, and I use them to charge my power stations (I have a Jackery 1000 and an Ecoflow). I use 300 watt pure sine wave inverters on both of my 12v outlets and it has been working quite well for me. I connect my 12 v refrigerator to the Ecoflow and it will power it for about two days. The Ecoflow is nice in that it will charge at over 600 w when plugged into a 110v outlet. It can fully charge in less than one hour. It seems odd to me that Tesla has a problem with their USB and 12v outlets as they should all be on separate fuses. After changing fuses enough times this should be a self curing situation :-). BTW ... I have one of those Igloo thermoelectric coolers and they are much less energy efficient than a 12 v compressor refrigerator. The Igloo cooler that I have is the same as yours and one of these days it is probably going on a one-way trip to Goodwill.

[@alanl3511]

Think this applies to a 9 year old model S. I might test it out at some point…

[@Hiwinders]

We live in Arizona and in the summer it gets hot. So we loved the fridge in the back of our Model Y. We could go to the meat market and put it all in the cooler... Then go to the chain grocery for the rest of the shopping. Meat was kept cold. Now this doesn't work. Tesla screwed up a major feature.

[@nvptx]

the cooler plug melted , after continues use , when you set the cooler to max over time.

[@smartfeed]

You could use have Summon Standby active. This keeps the 12v and USB ports active. Only thing I found for me is even with sentry mode enabled I couldn’t seem to trip it walking by.

[@DrewPine]

Wait - really?? Is this a confirmed workaround?

[@smartfeed]

@ I’m not sure, but on my car the 12v is active in this case. Of course it does mean you will need to have FSD to have summon, which we all have now until end of Nov 2024, so presumably everyone can check this.

[@DrewPine]

@@smartfeedonly reason I can’t check it is I haven’t updated to a 2024.32.x or higher branch yet because I don’t want to lose this functionality. But I do have FSD, so I could try this if I eventually decide to update

[@bowefamilyEV]

As a non Tesla owner sorry if this is a dumb question but you mentioned sentry mode being on, if you leave it off does it work like it used to?

[@iowatesla]

Nope. With sentry mode off, the outlet would turn off after about 30 minutes. Leaving Sentry Mode on kept everything working.

[@peterostlund5041]

Is it possible to run camp mode in some kind of "low energy mode"?

[@vadimk4896]

Damn! Time to put in a Jackery Unit in line with the 12V and the accessory ?

[@alphamayax1]

A workaround is to get a battery pack and have it charging whilst powering the fridge. Hopefully when the car is off the battery pack would still be powering the fridge.

[@dcarmageddons]

Try this workaround. When you turn on Camp mode, use the voice command to turn off the fan. See if that works.

[@iowatesla]

Tried. It doesn't. Camp mode requires that the climate is running. Turning off climate turns off camp mode.

[@hanzo52]

It's this still not working?

[@brandenflasch]

Fantastic testing!

[@iowatesla]

Thanks! They need to change this.

[@calvinwalker4654]

I suspect this was a result of a fire or a close call to one. Tesla has a responsibility to make sure their vehicles are safe. I don’t like this either but it is what it is. Perhaps they could make the software be able to monitor current draw and cut off power in an overload situation.

[@BitJam]

Tesla will cause more fires with this change as people pull 12 volts from elsewhere to power their fridge.

[@a-1gaming358]

@@BitJamyep I’m currently looking at power inverters… hopefully one I can connect to the 16v battery I have

[@iowatesla]

They do monitor the power for the 12V. The system has auto resettable breakers. This jack has been used in cars for decades. With proper fusing, it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for sharing.

[@ArturFilipiak]

This is bad news :/ It was so nice to have that "offline" charging flexibility. I used it sporadically to charge my drone/DSLR batteries during longer shoots, so that I didn't have to care about powerbanks. On the other hand, there are so many stories around the internet from people having to replace their battery 2-3 times under warranty because they turned their EV's into homes on wheels. It was pretty obvious (at least for me) that Tesla was going to cut it off, one way or another.. 8 years or 120k miles warranty, so they expected you to use the battery to actually drive the car and rack up the miles, not just running all kinds of AGD stuff 24/7 from the cars battery LoL

[@dabike]

Bummer. Only big concern I have is that we don't get a spare and I carry a 12V connection to operate my air pump. But for that use case, probably not a big concern. Still stinks Tesla decided to do this. For me, not quite as bad as the pay for the music change.

[@MikeRadioNY]

@@dabike there shouldn’t be a problem using an air pump. I have an air pump as well however, if you’re using an air pump, your communicating with the car and the door is open so you can plug in the DC 12 V and use it for your tires. This is more when you leave the car and nobody is around

[@dvader3263]

Get an air compressor with a rechargeable battery. No need to mess with a power cord.

[@jacobheinz8236]

@@dvader3263That’s what I did, I got a portable air compressor, a real one, not a toy, a Milwaukee rechargeable battery, it can do 4 tyres easy and battery lasts forever. Best to have a redundancy to any independent system. Glad I didn’t fall for that brick of a fridge, saved me a lot of money now.😂

[@2._-1.-_]

I couldn't handle the idea of no spare so I put a full size tire with matching wheel and Tesla air pressure sensor in the back. Aluminum jack in the storage below. When I put the spare on the pressure shows up on the screen too. They're motion activated. Dang thing takes up nearly the whole back, but I'm normally the only one in the car. I do have plugs and a little compressor too. lol

[@TKSung]

Other manufacturers supply 7kw 120v outlet, and Tesla is taking away always-on 12v because... people abuse it and cause fire?? The outlets are all fused and you blow the fuse in the worst case. Their reason for taking it away doesn't make any sense. Tesla needs to get serious about v2l.

[@frankfountain7680]

Excellent video! Thank you! I am considering installing an EcoFlow 800w alternator charger in my 2024 MYLR. Will this change stop it from working?

[@gizmopilot]

@@frankfountain7680 just curious where you would install the alternator on your MYLR?

[@iowatesla]

Not sure.

[@frankfountain7680]

@@gizmopilot I know it sounds odd since the MY doesn’t have an alternator, but the charger doesn’t require an alternator. It can be connected directly to the DC. There’s a video on KZbin showing the installation in an MY. The connection point is under the backseat on the passenger side. The charger itself is then located near or on the power station. It comes with about 15 feet of cable, so the charger can be located most anywhere. I’ll see if I can find the video. There are also several videos of DC inverters being installed in MY’s.

[@undredrawn3419]

I use a rear view mirror that has a security camera in it and I like to have it because it's an additional feature but driving it has GPS that clocks my speed. When I get out thebcar I want it to keep running to record video and prior to this update it did it. It's very low power too. Now I'm experimenting with a small battery bank .it works but unfortunately the one I have won't let me keep it plugged in to charge from the car and run the camera. The battery bank has its own shutoff when charging or connected to a power source. For now I just have to remember to plut the battery bank in to charge every week or so. Tesla needs to go back to the way it was.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

There must be a reason Tesla turned this off. I always assumed everything shut down once the car was locked anyway so not a big issue for me. So saying we were thinking of buying the lower boot fridge for trips so that's now .out of the window !. We already have a 1kWh battery for camping etc and a small fridge box so I guess we can charge the battery whilst on the move then have it keep the fridge going when away from the vehicle.......just as you suggested !.

[@boones409]

External battery is best current workaround IMO. Even though it is very silly to carry around a battery pack with

[@iowatesla]

Agreed. Shame you have to buy a battery when you're sitting on a huge one. Thanks for watching!

[@superkikim4916]

Just tested how long the outlet stays powered on every time I open the truck on my Model Y 2023 from Berlin: 30 minutes. So I have to close and open the trunk every 40 min.

[@quellcristfalconer9457]

You’ve got to be kidding me… This has been my first update in quite some time, I turned off automatic updates and removed any WiFi connection when I first purchased the vehicle out of fear of incidences EXACTLY like this. But I had a temporary lapse in judgment and decided to install the new update so I could try some of the new features; naturally this happens. This is infuriating. I truly enjoy my Model Y, but if I can’t find an aftermarket solution to permanently block any future OTA updates, then this will no doubt be my last Tesla purchase.

[@abelincoln3261]

Using the lighter type connection is dangerous. You should be able to use a direct connection using the proper wiring ... tie in at the proper location.. and do so safely.

[@iowatesla]

These devices draw so little energy. They have been in cars for decades. Should be safe as long as you aren't doing something stupid.

[@ronaldjanssen105]

This seems like something the dudes at Enhance could fix with their Commander (S3XY buttons).

[@AragonTMP]

If you have to use camp mode maybe dog mode would be better since at least it still keeps the cameras on and doors locked. Still really stupid that no change was mentioned. Just like the TACC chime being able to be turned off quietly disappeared. How convenient.

[@RTShahdirty]

So frustrating. I thought it was broken.. they need to put it back

[@tips4tesla407]

cybertruck has alot of options for the outlets, im sure that software will make its way to the others

[@ItzAwsomeWasTaken]

According to Tesla, it will be turned off by default but you can turn it back on after agreeing to the risks and agreeing to a waiver

[@DaveK-FL]

Where is this documented?

[@DrewPine]

@@DaveK-FLit’s not. It’s just a rumor that circulated.

[@andyfeimsternfei8408]

I have a 21 Y and a 22 X and I wired in a 12v receptacle in the frunk of both cars day one. Never had an issue, and Elon hasn't threatened to come after me yet!

[@allanoas523]

Does the rear 12v outlet turn on when the rear hatch is opened? Can you check this please? We have a mobility scooter lift installed in our 2024 model Y and it is used every time my wife uses the car when she opens the rear hatch door. The lift is the Autochair Smart Lifter, model LM, sold by Autochair in the UK and Mobility Innovations in the USA. In Canada we had our ordered and installed by Silver Cross Automotive. Before buying our Tesla I discovered and made sure this lift was compatible with the Model Y. The installers confirmed with our local Tesla Service Center rep that the power source could be connected to the 12V line that goes to the rear 12V cigarette outlet. We don’t have the described update version and will not install it if there is a serious issue with the scooter lift. We both use FSD 99% of the time, so we will want the latest FSD software.

[@bobkoch3513]

@@allanoas523 I tried having the trunk lid open while trying to use the air compressor using the 12 volt port on my Tesla model y long range. No longer works. Urgh

[@ahetafan8087]

I support a seperate toggle to keep 12v outlets and USB both powered when you leave the car without needing any seperate mode enabled. If you don't have anything plugged in there is virtually no impact on car charge level. Power ratings of the car 12v circuits would not change and unlikely overloading them would do what occurs on any car. Tesla could choose for them to automatically reset after period of time and display a message on the screen both when enabling this feature and if a circuit is tripped. I setup seperate batteries to power my refrigerator but they need to be recharged every few days depending on in car temp. When I had a prius they were in parallel with the factory battery and charged when the car was driven. Not practical to do it that way with my Tesla. So 120v AC battery charger is most practical. It is much harder and requires knowledge and skills AND research AND purchase of necessary things to charge them via the cars 12v system when the car is in use. Still isn't charged with car off. Charging them via solar panels is also an option though it gets elaborate and bulky to bring along and isn't reliable or practical without ideal conditions over a long period of time. The best solution is Tesla providing a toggle to keep 12 outlets powered on to directly supply the 2.5 amps drawn by my refrigerator only when compressor is running. This toggle feature necessitates the DC to DC converter to remain powered at all times to maintain the cars 12v battery charge and power the 12v accessories.

[@ahetafan8087]

It is a modern change that makes 12v sockets turn off at all. The long history of cars is for them to always be on.

[@craigwflys]

Wow having a new $500 paperweight that I didn't want would really be hugely disappointing.

[@Arms_KY]

Hoping update resolves this. Any luck?

[@iowatesla]

Nope

[@soulshinobi]

Stumbled upon this, thanks for the warning not to buy a Tesla, jfc that's unacceptable to be removing features post-purchase.

[@smartfeed]

@iowatesla did you try Summon standby set to active? That also has the 12v active when you leave.

[@iowatesla]

Just tried it. You gave me hope… It didn’t work.

[@smartfeed]

@ odd for me it keeps them on, when you engage it it even says that it does. It must be different for different vehicles, I have 2018 MS

[@rb8049]

Really need to monitor for dangerous conditions and disable then. Not for non dangerous conditions.

[@beno3512]

Drives me crazy you can't opt out of these over air updates, I Don't need changes when it's working just fine

[@steveswm7742]

Are those outlets not protected by fuses? Did Tesla forget that circuits overheat when too much current is applied to wiring? How did this even become an issue in the first place?

[@Widdermaker]

Jeezus! You’d think Tesla would have at least alerted everyone about this change! This DOES suck. I live in FL and have 2 car fridges (1 ea for my X & Y) to put items in from my house fridge when we have a hurricane warning. I figured each car’s huge battery would keep them cold for days. That’s supposed to be one of the benefits of owning an EV. Now, they just took that benefit away with no notice. I don’t use them when I’m not in the car otherwise. What sh*tty customer service. Once NACS charge ports are on other EV brands, I think it’s time to start looking at what the competition has to offer. I’m getting kind of fed up with Tesla - and its CEO. And I bought my first Model S back in early 2014, BTW. It’s a different company and culture than the early days.