Throwback Breakdown: The Incredibles- Pixar's Dark Magnum Opus

[@savagebooks7482]

I have officially stepped on Papa Schaffrillas' turf. Call the banners! Ready the horses!

[@alexthering6615]

I can offer 62 men. 62 good men.

[@ezariogerion3138]

WE RIDE!

[@savagebooks7482]

The best kind

[@wisdommanari6701]

I'll call Ser Twenty of House Goodmen. He defeated stannis almost single handedly.

[@rmglover3191]

The North recognizes only one king. And his name is - Savage!

[@KatherinaBathory]

I remember the creator of Gravity Falls when they asked how he created a complex show for kids and he said "I never thought it was for kids and I don't think kids are stupid". That's just what great things have in common

[@princessthyemis]

Even though I didn't care for that particular show, that's an excellent quote and I respect him for having that mindset. It's so important--and so lacking in much of today's shows and movies, which try to dumb everything down, always telling instead of showing.

[@roberttrue7219]

Wish people knew that vulgar doesn't mean for adults and not being vulgar doesn't mean for kids

[@cmath4871]

And then they created Incredibles 2. Which tried so hard it is basically bleached with its narrative leaving subpar story and a bunch of colorful but non fleshed out characters...

[@blindedjourneyman]

@@cmath4871 happens sometimes a shame too cause the concept could work if it wasn't so in your face.

[@cmath4871]

@@blindedjourneyman Been happening more often with Hollywood. Think it's sign the times with media influence trying to appeal to high run emotions infecting Hollywood perception of what the individual wants. Then they sacrifice talent, budget, and script to over saturate their productions with these emotion appeals and flashpoints. Happened to Star Wars to when they went in without a plan and sacrificed George Lucas and his characters, to Kathleen Kennedy whims.

[@Jiu-JitsuJourney257]

When the missiles are about to hit the plane and she says there are kids aboard, that always gets me. It makes a superhero feel powerless and vulnerable

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Yes!

[@TheRyujinLP]

That whole scene is amazing. The icing on the cake, which really grounds it, is all those phrases that she's shouting aren't just a word salad trying to sound technical but the actual things a real pilot is supposed to do in that kind of situation. To borrow a phrase for a certain connoisseur of pizza rolls, "While you might not realize it, your brain sure did."

[@rustkarl]

It also showed off how cruel the villain could be and how deep his obsession runs. A dark parody to his earlier childhood obsession with his hero. He’s hearing that there are children aboard and he just smiles and lets it happen because he hates you that much that he’d let kids die to hurt you.

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

i still get tense watching that scene....incredible's maybe pixars best movie

[@RallyCheetah]

Besides that scene I also really liked the argument between Bob and Helen. Felt organic and after hearing it was based on actual arguments I can see why. My other favorite scene is where Mirage is caught by Bob and he threatens to kill her. I often wondered what would have happened if Bob had succeeded in catching Syndrome instead. Would he still have let go? I honestly am not sure. I can understand BOB releasing Mirage as she wasn't directly responsible for his family's supposed death and so was sort of a bystander. But Syndrome... Even if Mirage pleaded I don't know how Bob would take it. My hope is he'd knock Syndrome out and take him hostage to try and escape the island but who knows. At the very least he'd likely beat Syndrome to and inch of his life if he didn't straight out kill him.

[@Kalisfusdi4653]

I love the fact that Frozone has ice powers due to him being a super chill dude.

[@Uesiel]

As Samuel L Jackson would put it, "WHERE IS MY MOTHA-FUCKING SUPER SUIT!" .

[@victormponcec]

I think it's the other way around tho

[@cithvalentine1790]

Well that’s simply not true.. he doesn’t have ice powers of the simple assumption of him being quote unquote chill because you can’t definitively say he’s chill.. that’s ones opinion and every argument you bring up for him being chill is anecdotal.. He’s not a chill guy.. so how did he get is ice powers.. you’re saying it’s a fact he has ice powers because he’s a chill dude.. how? Where’s you’re evidence he specifically got ice powers for being chill.. myself and hundreds of thousands of people know for a fact he’s not a chill dude.. so explain to me how he got his powers if he’s not chill..

[@cithvalentine1790]

@@InForTheLonghaul no it’s not deep.. that doesn’t make any sense.. because he’s not chill a chill dude.. he’s a awkward abusive husband that has marital issues.. so tell me how is that him being a quote unquote chill dude

[@ricardomiles2957]

Now I can't help but wonder, what personality traits the other heroes' powers that briefly appeared were exacerbating

[@majavazeze]

One cool little detail: Kronos is a titan (not a god) in greek mythology who kills all of his children as soon as they are born, in order to stop any of them from overthrowing him as the singular ruler of the world. In the end, the secretly born Zeus (a god) defeats him. It is so fitting for Syndrome's pompous nature to choose that as the password for his computer, as he strives to kill all supers, or "gods", in order to become one himself.

[@granmastersword]

uh, I kinda forgot about the fact of Kronos eating his god children to maintain himself in power, only for Zeus to overthrow. I knew that choice of password was symbolic in showing how high Syndrome regarded himself to be, but didn't realize it could be counted as small foreshadowing that, just like Kronos, he ended up being defeated by what he tried to exterminate to ensure his greatness

[@numberone51976]

Fitting time for Mr. Incredible to find that password, too. From there, he comes "back from the dead", and (albeit he gets captured again) eventually defeats Syndrome.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

*in order to be overcome by supers like the gods to the Titans

[@Nofrnzclub]

Kronos is also a representation of ‘Time’

[@luxill0s]

“Chronos” is actually the personification of time you’re thinking of

[@powerofanime1]

"You didn't save my life: you ruined my death." Is still one of the single most impactful lines in cinema to me. Equally hilarious, horrifying and deeply relatable.

[@shindari]

What's stupid about that scene is the idea that, instead of suing Mr. Incredible, he could have simply found another building, in another city, and jumped off of that, to kill himself. Or, he could have merely eaten a bullet, in an empty room, out in the middle of nowhere, to avoid the risk of ever being "saved" again. If he TRULY wanted to die, he would have found a way... Always thought that particular lawsuit was a perfect reflection of that time in American history (which, at the time, was still very much a thing), when Americans willfully threw lawsuits against anybody, and everybody, that they could, in order to win money for some "imagined slight/injury." The woman who sued McDonald's, over the hot coffee that SHE SPILLED ON HERSELF, will always be the best example of that tomfoolery. That the lawsuit succeeded does not, in any way, justify the suit. Nor does it cover up just how IDIOTIC that suit was, in the first place. McDonalds merely paid the woman off, because it was cheaper to do that, than to continually drag that stupid suit out in court, for years and years and years. So, in a way, I feel like "The Incredibles" was a perfect reflection of American Life...

[@LP-ct9nk]

Actually you fell for McDonald’s marketing about the suit. At the time McD’s has no labels about how hot their coffee was, and when the lady spilled she suffered 3rd degree burns in her lap area that required skin grafts. This resulted in her being in the hospital for an extensive period of time. The old lady just wanted McD to cover the hospital bills, since they were at fault for being negligent w/ no label, and having coffee that hot in the first place (not safe for spilling on yourself let alone consumption). McD refused tho, and in the process tried to smear her name/reputation, and cover up their role in the suit. Now obviously a multimillion dollar corporation is going to have the ad budget to sway public opinion to whatever it wants (as evidenced by your interpretation of the situation). She won the lawsuit, because not only was McD at fault, but the judge was horrified at the way the business tried to weasel out of rectifying their mistake/ruining the lady’s reputation.

[@kjj26k]

@@shindari But if he wins the lawsuit it could make him wealthy and therefore suicide may no longer be desired.

[@shindari]

@@kjj26k If money was all it took for you to stop contemplating suicide, then you were never truly suicidal in the first place. Suicidal Tendency is a MENTAL ILLNESS! The legal system does not smile upon those who fake mental illness to get out of trouble, or attain legal rewards. That would actually be legal grounds for Mr Incredible to countersue the guy.

[@8E_3T]

@@shindari You have no right to say he wasn't truly suicidal. He jumped off a building. That definitely tells me he was actually suicidal and had some sort of mental health crisis. If the money helps save his kids or family from starvation then maybe it is worth not killing himself. If it keeps someone he cares about from dying due to it covering a medical procedure they couldn't afford and he couldn't help with, then maybe it's worth not killing himself. If it saves him from a life of mundanity because he works a dead end job and thinks he has no future, then maybe it's not worth killing himself. WE DON'T KNOW! YOU DON'T KNOW! And we can't know because he never shows up after that. You're making a lot of assumptions, and some pretty damaging ones about mental health, when nobody knows anything more about this character.

[@CJonesApple]

Helen Parr: "They won't exercise restraint because your children. They will kill you if they get the chance. Do not give them that chance." Holy shit...

[@h-bitgraphics3858]

I like how Helen doesn’t sugarcoat this, she just tells them like it is.

[@dankboi_]

@@h-bitgraphics3858 ikr? It makes it way more chilling and dark, how their own mother had to warn them this because she knew if she wasn’t upfront with them, they’ll both be kill, it shows that Helen isn’t afraid of telling her children when it’s time to get down and serious about the situation

[@xollefi7418]

That scene taught me a difficult truth when I was a child. Before then, I never thought that an adult would willingly harm a kid, and my parents had never sat me down to tell me otherwise. I was a lot more wary around strangers after watching The Incredibles for the first time.

[@f-22raptorlandingzone30]

On that topic, did anyone else notice when dash punches the visor off one of them (not shown, but it's in the scene shown around 10:56), he hesitates because he looks him in the eye? It's an amazing detail.

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

You're not on the Pillar of Autumn anymore. You're in the deep end.

[@loganfarris597]

Bob screaming “NO!” when he learns his children were on that plane was legitimately gut-wrenching. It was a mixture of panic, rage at his helplessness, disbelief that some kid he blew off 15 years ago was about to murder his family.

[@stoner.typebeat3594]

when me and my mom first watched the incredibles she cried at that part.

[@diamondpython8034]

I’m not a parent, but I can imagine the kind of bone-chilling terror that the cut syndrome scene brad bird mentioned in the interview would induce in parents. Your baby is crying, and a stranger, intending harm, is moving towards their room while you can do nothing but watch. man i’m getting shivers just thinking about it

[@bumblebeepotato]

Imagine if the audience didn't know about the baby beforehand, everyone thought it was just the two of them. Thinking, their both immobilized how could this get worse? Then the baby starts crying...

[@lyralynn5002]

@@bumblebeepotato 👁💧👄💧👁

[@Reydriel]

That's probably exactly why it got cut, WAY too dark. It would be a fucking excellent scene in another movie though

[@ITBEurgava]

One of the Adult's top fears up there.

[@mksabourinable]

@@Reydriel It got cut bc they decided to redo the story, it was from when Syndrome was a minor villain just in that one scene and there was going to be another villain for the main plot of the movie. The video literally said that.... Before the scene was shown.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

I love how dark this movie went. From “There are children on board!” to Bob almost committing murder out of grief. It felt so real. Oh, and black sheep unite!!

[@osmanyousif7849]

Even Mirage was shocked that Syndrome is still refusing to call off the attack. For someone who was helping him with his evil plan for several years, even she had a conscience to see that what he was doing was so low.

[@Green_Bean_Machine]

"dark" lol

[@shady5595]

@@Green_Bean_Machine Lol what

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

No salvaste mi vida arruinaste mi muerte

[@tomasbeltran04050]

@@Green_Bean_Machine Lol what?

[@kendraduli6806]

Can we just talk about the fact that Brad Berd directed and wrote incredibles but also VOICED EDNA MODE!!!!! Like wut. He is literally so talented

[@Puppies03b3eleyyMichaelJackson]

Can Brad Berd be my Aunt? I want that so bad..

[@ardantop132na6]

And since Bob and Buddy are supposed to be exaggerated version of Brad Bird, he also made a *Self-Insert Characters done Right*

[@Exel3nce]

Not to forget he wrote the iron giant. What a brain

[@Naro_Rivers]

As I understand it, he went to the casting team and did the voice to describe what kind of sound he wanted. They liked it so much that they picked him.

[@JonCom3dy]

He voiced Jack Jack too

[@shiroinamida2002]

That scene of Syndrome walking towards Jack jack when Helen and Bob are frozen, makes Syndrome even darker and evil

[@Saydie246]

It's actually supposed to be Violet as a baby. (The DVD has the animated storyboard, and the only reason the baby isn't hurt is because she's invisible)

[@shiroinamida2002]

@@Saydie246 that's fucking cool

[@DrMDHyde]

Chilling, just, fucking chilling.

[@bluesbest1]

@@shiroinamida2002 Yeah, she's invisible so Syndrome has a WTF moment, she spits up in his face, which gets him to let the parents go, Helen grabs her, Syndrome freezes the two of them, Bob rolls a mirror to get Syndrome to trap himself. It's a cool, semi-badass Violet moment, cool family moment, and chilling scene.

[@adventuretime9736]

uh that was violet not jack jack

[@watershipdowneyjr]

Gotta love Brad Bird getting fired for speaking truth at Disney execs. There's a reason we refer to that era as the Disney Dark Age. Too many oldtimers who could not comprehend that animation needed to evolve beyond Disney himself after his death.

[@frenchbreadstupidity7054]

And also the fact thst they stopped inking cells and just scanned pencil sketches directly to computers, resulting in scratchy and unfinished looks that cause epileptic attacks.

[@jasonhahn8797]

Were in the disney-woke era now.

[@aidenaune7008]

@@jasonhahn8797 which is even worse, instead of climbing back up the hill, they flung themselves down it.

[@jasonhahn8797]

@@aidenaune7008 that's putting it lightly...

[@burningsexuality1540]

@@frenchbreadstupidity7054 I actually love that look though.

[@mantidream8179]

Making Helen fly the plane herself was a ridiculously smart decision. The entire scene uplifted her character tremendously, as she was forced to be a damn effective pilot and guardian at the same time.

[@drakkon2zshadowsz909]

Imho the darkest scene for child me, and the one that haunts me still to this day, is the one where Mr. Incredible sees the list of the heroes killed one by one. These were his friends and colleagues, and to have them be shown to be dead one by one, the kill count stacking higher and higher, is an absolutely genius dark scene.

[@Dos_Caffeine]

I'm surprised he didn't mention that part

[@Wolffman109]

A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths are a statistic.

[@hariman7727]

They were wedding guests. Gazer Beam was in the FRONT ROW of Bob's side of the chapel.

[@duchi882]

*This video is TOO LATE!* _15 Years too late._

[@donalddeluxe6407]

If brad waited another year to release the incredibles sequel, I would’ve and many others would’ve made that quote into a meme.

[@OirichEntertainment]

That comment is gold

[@lessismore8533]

Awesome!

[@lucasscoz6090]

is good enough now?

[@aweirdoandaphone4135]

oh fork

[@hawkeye18100]

This movie earned the PG rating. A throwback to when that rating actually meant something...

[@owens.studios]

Fun fact: This was Pixar's first PG rated film

[@brandonnesfan]

@@owens.studios he literally said that in the video

[@happycamperds9917]

Obviously they needed to make it PG to tell that story, but it is not necessarily a badge of honor. In Incredibles 2, one slight flaw is they tried a bit too hard to be edgy, and it came off as cheesy.

[@BeastinlosersHD]

@@happycamperds9917 Also it kinda throwed out the whole super hero movie that makes a bunch of super hero movie jokes. That and they made the other heros physically not human

[@happycamperds9917]

@@BeastinlosersHD It didn’t say it was the only flaw.

[@siddigismail1962]

Last time I was this early, Ratatouille was still Pixar's magnum opus.

[@DrEcho]

I was trying to come up with something clever but I can't compete with this dub of a comment.

[@justbautista721]

I thought it was cars 2?

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Ratatouille ain't Pixar's magnum opus. It's great, but it's nowhere near as amazing as Toy Story 3. It didn't have as much emotion. Ratatouille is a really strong film, but it didn't make grown men bawl like infants. So yeah, Toy Story 3 is Pixar's greatest achievement.

[@wendyxkuma]

TH3 F4LC0N I cant take you seriously if you genuinely like toy story 3.

[@peanutgallery4]

@@TH3F4LC0Nx What a strange comment...

[@Nimbusdrifters]

Violet literally jumped in front of her brother and was ready to take her own life. She didnt know how to use her powers either. The fact that she willing to die for dash is just so deep.

[@violetlavi2207]

that's (good) older siblings for you - no matter what, they'll die for their younger siblings

[@linkonthebrink]

I also reaslied that not long ago, makes me emotional just thinking about it, she's such a good older sister

[@Ironica82]

@@violetlavi2207 That's the basic, "I might be a bully to my younger sibling, but only I am allowed to do that."

[@MageBurger]

⁠​⁠@@Ironica82add to that “murder is not one of the things I’d like my younger sibling to be a victim of”

[@carlflaherty2215]

​@@MageBurger ... though she often wants to murder him herself.

[@TachyonKing]

“The first Pixar movie to show blood.” Dory’s nosebleed that caused a shark frenzy: Am I a joke to you?

[@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820]

I remembered that scene too, I used to watch Nemo all the time and memorized all the scenes by heart. This was the first to show human blood, then.

[@singularityraptor4022]

@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 human blood?

[@NightmareScarecrow]

@@singularityraptor4022Fish blood.

[@ZeldaSam1]

Eh, good point. But then again, that was just 1 scene.

[@susantherestorer]

What about that scene in A Bug's Life (my favorite Pixar movie), in which the kid ants are performing a play in which they had painted a leaf banner depicting the "warriors" fighting the grasshoppers and it shows Heimlick cut in half with bug and blood splatter? To quote one of the ants, "We decided to show one of you dying to make it more dramatic." Also, Flik gets punched and beaten up later in the film by Hopper and he has a black eye.

[@thejungwookim]

Schaffrillas: finally, a worthy opponent - our battle will be legendary!

[@skullknight1465]

I understood that reference 😂😂

[@keentotalk2839]

I love to see it. Better content for all of us

[@elcalabozodelandroide2]

I read it with his doofenshmirtz voice

[@SaxophoneODST]

When shaggy met Matt

[@gastrodonte3435]

Pretty much

[@KevinReijnders93]

I think the "We make things we want to see and then hope other people would too." is one of the best mentalities to have when it comes to any creative endeavor. There's this weird aspect where you can feel the passion behind a project, that just envigorates you when you interact with it, be that movie, book or game.

[@Scrubermensch]

As a musician who does the song I'd like to listen to, I feel very inspired by your comment. Huge thank you, bud!

[@kjj26k]

Reminds me of The Late Bungie's philosophy.

[@solace2354]

Yeah I feel Like Disney should note this somewhere... coughs “Star Wars” coughs

[@ethandempsey8363]

I made a magic 8 ball program for my final in computer science and I had my older sister test it to make sure it was random and actually worked (it did) and I witnessed the enjoyment on her face that I had created. This reminds me of that mentality because it’s true, and I love that.

[@seanandrews5329]

there should be a video essay on this very idea, because there are flips to this coin like the whole sjw movie shit (such as star wars)

[@jessicakakern4571]

Schaffriles: "Pixar's Magnum Opus is Ratouille!" Savage books: "No, its the Incredibles!" *me who still thinks Wall-E is the best by being a entertaining silent dystopian movie for kids *

[@handhelder823]

I exist too. And i agree

[@OnlyKarlos]

Agreed.

[@Nukestarmaster]

I prefer Incredibles to Wall-E, but I can see why it would be your favorite. I am, however, still confused why Schaffrillas likes Ratatouille so much. Maybe it's because I'm biased, unable to empathize with rodents and hate ratatouille (the dish not the movie), but Ratatouille is probably my least favorite Pixar film. This isn't to say I hate it, but I find it pretty mediocre.

[@patrickholden4223]

Wall-E is a goddamn masterpiece

[@handhelder823]

@@patrickholden4223 you are damn right!

[@neapanther497]

I really wished he had gone more in depth into the scene where mr incredible finds out so many heroes have been killed. It sets the tone of just how serious the movie and tone is. It shows syndrome to be a real threat. The family is now one of a few. And last but not least, the silence of mr incredible while that music emanating dread plays.

[@stonerbaby895]

I'm glad at least someone brought this up in the comment section I was like is anybody going to talk about the many Heroes deaths when Mr Incredible finds out what syndrome is actually planning to do and seeing all of the names of Heroes flashing that are all dead that was dark it's almost like he was leaving Mr Incredible for last plus when Edna is talking about all of the deaths from capes the girl that gets sucked in the turbine engine of the plane she was only a teenager plus her being sucked into the engine probably blew up the plane killing everybody along with her! This movie was dark out of all the Pixar one I think this movie had the most deaths!

[@osmanyousif7849]

I don't want to sound messed up, but seeing how cruel and terrifying Buddy/Syndrome's become, I wish Bob had just let that bomb that Bomb Voyage planted on Buddy just killed him. Because if he hadn't save Buddy, the the railroad wouldn't have blown up, leading to the whole BS protest to cancel the superheroes and make them retire, therefore leading some of them to have a life like Bob's (wishing to have those days come back), therefore having Buddy/Syndrome send people like Mirage offer them a scheme mission to fight the Omnidroid robots as a death trap for them.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

I agree. As a kid I didnt understand that the other heroes were dead. I was 8 when the movie came out so maybe I was just too young, but I remember being really confused on if they were just “defeated” or if they had died. Maybe a line like “they’re all gone” or something in reference to Mr. Incredibles friends would have helped, but the movie is still a 10/10 the way it is.

[@vaasmontenegro2016]

@@osmanyousif7849 you are ok to think that way, syndrome essentially committed supe genocide, wanting to kill him as a child is comparable to people saying they’d kill hitler as a baby.

[@OR56]

It is perfect exposition. The hero stumbles upon it themselves, the villain doesn’t capture them and then monologue about “how FEEBLE I am, and how him, ruling the world is, inevitable.” Like Frozone said earlier in the film. No words are spoken, but you know exactly what is going on, and what the villains plan is.

[@drakesterX]

"Because when everyone's super, ha..No one will be." I mean, goddam if that isn't one of the actual best villain speeches and exit-lines in Superhero movie history. I lived off of The Iron Giant and The Incredibles when I was a kid, so they are both super special to me and hearing Brad Bird's struggles in life and his family life really accentuates how powerful those themes resonate in The Incredibles.

[@yannisporidis6013]

Now that whole exchange between Dash and Violet about “mom and Dad’s marriage” hits so much harder knowing about Zerrick

[@ryapowa]

Xerek*

[@lolastojakovic5003]

@@ryapowa **Zerek

[@ryapowa]

@@lolastojakovic5003 Then correct Savage Books too

[@lolastojakovic5003]

@@ryapowa my bad, thought he wrote "zerek" but I went back and you're right

[@sofer2230]

I'd argue the airplane scene is the best one in the entire movie. It sets up the stakes for the entire act, advances Violet's character arc, and is just generally so well-crafted and voice acted.

[@Tigershark_3082]

@Dan Nguyen Yep, same here. Or, she just has a civilian license, but happens to know a few guys that maybe served in Korea or WWII

[@hazmatt3250]

I grew up in an Air Force family and knew quite a bit about military planes at an early age (a passion of which has not left me even in my 20s). I remember being in the theater and asking my dad “Wait, do passenger jets have flares…?”

[@Tigershark_3082]

@@hazmatt3250 What's funny is tgat this is set sometime in the mid 1950s, and flares weren't being experimented with (ssme with chaff). We had only just started employing infrared-guided missiles such as the Sidewinder and Falcon.

[@J7Handle]

@@Tigershark_3082 Late response, but I thought the prologue was in the 50s, and the main story was therefore 60s-70s. Looking at the cars on the road during the flight into the city, some look 50s, but a lot look 60s or even maybe 70s. Okay, apparently a newspaper in the show revealed that it was 1962. So I guess computers came a decade earlier than reality in the movie. 1962 seems reasonable enough for a clearly specially modified government jet to have flares. And apparently an afterburner too.

[@ChadKakashi]

Dayum son the unused pitches and ideas are great too... Except for main villain being the ex boyfriend of Helen, that's cliche.

[@bozoforce]

Good thing they cut that ex boyfriend cliché out.

[@jaybirdsingleton2472]

I was like “that’s so cliche, where do I know that from?” And then I remembered Danny phantom with Vlad’s character

[@robertharris6092]

@@jaybirdsingleton2472 vlads awesome though. Even willing to work with danny at points.

[@razkable]

i kinda wish bob was confirmed sleeping with mirage and she dies saving helen instead to make up for all the bad things she did...that would of been a cool arc albeit dark as hell...but she did lead all those supers to their deaths so i kinda wish she died..and to me its clear bob was turned on by her so if the movie was pg 13 that for sure would of been stated but obviously being married its kinda messed up in a pg film to have you hero do that to his wife

[@thotpatrol7860]

@@jaybirdsingleton2472 I don't think Vlad ever dated Danny's mom (Maddie) he was just mad that Jack (Danny's dad) got her first

[@donovanb9020]

"They will kill you." That line, and seeing their faces drop, has always stuck with since I first watched the movie.

[@linkonthebrink]

It is so brilliant

[@_localplantlover_2270]

notice how Mr. Incredible when he was about to crush Mirage, he knew it wasn't her fault, and he couldn't kill an innocent person. I love how they made Mr. Incredible having a weakness, which was his family.

[@waahmed7830]

The incredibles are basically the best movie version of the Fantastic Four. The F4 were the first comic book characters that were an actual family and felt like one and dealt with family problems and is the reason marvel comics became a big thing

[@ChadKakashi]

Too bad F4 movies suck so much

[@nielsjensen4185]

@@ChadKakashi What do you mean? FanFourStick was a cinematic masterpiece and an audience darling /s

[@DavidSilva-mn4dz]

Yeah The FF were sometimes a Little toxic at first and then became the wholesome family that foster and help almost every Marvel hero at least once. When the kids, Alicia and Wyatt became recurring characters the FF turn into a More serious Mature team, the way they deal with conflicts Is more nuanced and trekie in a way and less usually superhero punching

[@donalddeluxe6407]

The first fantastic four movie was decent. The second with the silver surfer (the titular character in question was well written BTW) sucked due to one of the many factors of the film was turning galactus into a gigantic cloud. The original even had captain America as Johnny storm pre-MCU. 🤣 Edit: including captain America.

[@mksabourinable]

I mean the Invisible Woman and Violet even have the same powers 😅

[@JediMaestr0]

“No man is an island???” Geez this movie has a new hidden layer every time I see it

[@Chaosmancer7]

I know, I completely missed that. I likely would have never noticed it if it were not spelled out on screen. Very clever

[@JW-qd3ol]

Then you're gonna flip your shiznit when you find out what Mount Wanahockaloogi sounds like! :P

[@churblesfurbles]

Morgoth has a better take on it.

[@limmuquan4796]

Same I never noticed that

[@hariman7727]

I missed both this and the fact that Mr. Incredible was apprehending Bomb Voyage while talking with Buddy in the past, but Syndrome completely forgot Bomb Voyage was there in his flashback.

[@alexthering6615]

I love the Incredibles not only because of its story and character but the world that it presented. The world building wasn't shoved into the audience's face and it was presented beautifully.

[@razkable]

i said it before but i will say it again..brad bird literally created his own version of the d.c. and marvel lite type universe with all the heroes he created just for them to have 2 seconds of screen time and say they are dead..he created names powers and models for all these characters in this world and then nothing turns out they are all dead..smdh... his sequel was ok not great but its cause he kinda shot his load with this first film feeling so stand alone by killing off all these supers before the first film even was seen and starting this franchise where he did making a sequel hard to do in the first place..he easily could of had 2 films before incredibles 1 leading up to the trilogy concluding with the plot of the first incredibles don't you think? with the reveals in that film being jack being born and syndrome doing all this to the other supers after 2 films of built up jealousy exploring his intellect maybe having him save the day in the first film only to be rejected by bob so his rage feels more earned and thus also with 2 more films beforehand exploring why bob is so tied of his life and his mid life crisis feels more explored and not rushed...like you could do prequels still but now its too late and would feel lame cause they are prequels leading up to what we already saw and those are overdone now...its a shame...he easily could of had his own toy story trilogy of superhero films 1 before they got married 1 after they got married and then the third film when they have their third kid and have marital issues..but he kinda blew his load on thinking he would not need a sequel...shame really..

[@churblesfurbles]

Most importantly it was anti woke, and so it could never be made today, Morgoth and Endeavour covered it.

[@simplebutpowerful]

​@@razkable shocker, a filmmaker just focusing on making one good film. you're right though, Bird's mind is fit for a phenomenal fictional universe's worth of worldbuilding and storytelling. hope he's put in charge of something massive someday.

[@maevixie7041]

@@churblesfurbles conservatives will see literally anything and somehow think it's linked to wokeness, yet it's the "woke crowd" who are idiots

[@Jellyman4]

"These guys aren't like those guys you see on TV...They WILL *kill* you." That line sums up everything about being a mother and caring for your children,instead of showing kids that everything is gonna be alright for every second of the movie,it makes it so realistic in a cartoony fashion. This is what an actual mother would say to her children. Letting them know that they are real stakes,not only does she tell the kids about the real world like a real mother would but it shows the audience as well. Amazing.

[@risacooper]

So Frozone has ice powers because he's literally the coolest person this world has ever known.

[@MerijnH]

He's literally "the cool uncle" type of character

[@jasonmighty3328]

That line that Helen says to the kids, that this isnt some tv show etc is my favourite line. If gives gravitas without the need for death or blood etc.

[@wintersking4290]

The sequel was "too late, fifteen years too late"

[@mksabourinable]

And unfortunately fell victim to Disney's cliche twist villain trope 😞

[@jeremyevans-smith7392]

deeply under-apprenciated comment. bravo

[@joezilla1018]

It was still good though

[@chainsawboy2388]

@@mksabourinable I mean it’s not like they really tried to hide it though

[@datboiashy2957]

@@joezilla1018 No, It wasnt 😂

[@matthewschurbert2244]

There's an interesting theme of trust between Helen and Bob in this movie, where they're always fighting about it in the mundane but when they're Mr. And Mrs. Incredible they have complete trust in each other's actions. He doesn't hesitate for a fraction of a second when she says "throw me" because he knows she has a plan, doesn't need to know what it is just knows she's got it. Brilliant stuff.

[@PaperChaserLa]

Kinda like Mr and Mrs Smith

[@vincentleonard3797]

I've always thought of a superhero's secret identity as a security measure; a mask they wear to protect their loved ones (who statistically need protecting more than they do). But there's this thing about masks: they're meant to come off. Back in the intro Golden Age, supers could step out of their secret identities, take off their masks, to help people in ways the police just can't. But, following the legal snafu, they're stuck behind their masks, and judging by the Omnidroid's overall body count, Bob was not the only one chaffing. This could be why they have such a disconnect between their dynamics. As heroes, they could be their full selves for all to see, but since their relationship has presumably only involved their secret identities relatively recently, they still aren't 100% comfortable with being "normal" people around each other without an outlet. I'm willing to bet that Helen has been "Helen" for far more of her heroic career than Bob has been "Bob", if her better adjustment to this objectively terrible situation is any hint.

[@scolio9528]

If I can be completely honest right now, what changed my outlook of "The Incredibles" completely from childhood was falling in love for real and being married for nearly a decade. As a kid, I thought Helen was being so paranoid and overprotective. As an adult, I realize she's not seeing what we see. Bob is seen to already be prone to lying (making up excuses and misleading her about going into a burning building) so how could she not be assuming he was up to something. Which he was. He was lying to her the whole time about work. Thank you so much for talking about what this movie is actually about. I hope a trend starts about people defending which one of the movies they personally see the most in. "These guys, aren't like those guys. They. Will. Kill you."

[@lukasribin4168]

That was a reach.. Don’t care.

[@Loreboar0]

@@lukasribin4168 This was a useless comment. Don’t care.

[@zaneex4043]

"I can't lose you again, I'm not strong enough" That line just before the final battle, that hit me hard, that's when I knew this was more than just another superhero movie

[@IMVADER2]

1:38 It was also their greatest achievement in terms of progress moving forward with modelling hair, specifically Violet's. It was so technologically complex at the time that no one had written script for such interactions for such quality hair, so they basically wrote it themselves. And before anyone says it; yes, Monsters Inc. came out 3 years prior with Sully, BUT! There's a difference between short fur, and long hair. Much more unit collision between itself, and other objects. It wouldn't be matched until they worked on Brave, for the amazing work they did on Merida's beautiful hair.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

The animators after seeing Violets concept art: damnit we have to animate _that_?

[@ratedr7845]

They literally said "F it, I'll do it myself"

[@heartless2147]

Schaffrillas said in his Ratatouille video that he believes The Incredibles is a better movie then Ratatouille, but that's not what a Magnum Opus is. He shows the definition and sides with most important over best work, that is what Ratatouille is for Pixar. The Incredibles has a pretty basic structure if you think about it, some more darkness of course but all the makings of a superhero action movie. Ratatouille doesn't even have a villain, sure there are antagonists but only Anton Ego is important. One of the flaws of the movie is keeping Skinner around after he's fired so that Remy could be captured for 5 seconds as drama. If it wasn't for those few flaws, it would've been perfect.

[@tidepods5506]

Okay

[@donalddeluxe6407]

Well, ratatouille wouldn’t have been made if it weren’t for the success of the incredibles.

[@AngelMartinez-hv6fj]

@@donalddeluxe6407 That doesn't invalidate anything he said

[@geoffstemen3652]

incredibles is still more “important”

[@TheMetastasia]

But The Incredibles came out only two years after Spiderman and 4 years before the first Iron man. Superhero movies existed back than, but as we can see at "The Hulk", "Fantastic four", "Punisher", Daredevil and "blade II" that it was not necessarily a success.

[@Mic-Mak]

I agree 1000% with Brad Bird when he says that animation is not a genre. It's a medium through which any kind of story can be told. However I find it a little ironic that despite American film animation telling all kinds of stories, it is fixated on telling stories that are always for children, or at the very least appropriate for children. Pixar tells mature stories, that appeal to adults, perhaps moreso than to children, but they are still appropriate for children. Pixar will never tell a story that is not appropriate for children. This is why to me, anime is what has truly proven, and lived by the idea that animation is not a genre but just a medium. Because the spectrum of stories in anime is much much wider than in the US, and Western animation in general.

[@thisisiampie6946]

Honestly, and personally I feel manga to be more diverse as well. I've read manga ranging from doctors doing doctor things to ballet to surviving on a suicide island to playing basketball in a wheelchair. Personally I'm more of a reading person because I like reading at my own pace. If I feel bored I skim till it gets good. No need to sit through 5 mins of dialogue and unnecessary exposition

[@happycamperds9917]

I wouldn’t use oil paints to make a sculpture, I’d use clay, but that doesn’t make all clay structures the same.

[@SamSoFroVicious]

I absolutely adore the text suplex you just unleashed linking that whole paragraph into: Anime is Best. You win

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Even China knows that animation isn’t just 4 kids, if you want an example. Look at Scissor 7. It is art

[@The_ScapeGoat]

Anime sucks

[@FiePige1]

Fun fact: Edna's last name "Mode" means "fashion" in Danish, I don't know if it's a coincidence or not but I always found it kind of fitting for her

[@ShiroIsMyName]

"Mode" is also the French word for "fashion"

[@kubza4366]

In Czech version she is called Edna Módní, which means Edna Fashionable.

[@survivorofthecurse717]

Coincidence? I think NOT!

[@thedollpretty91]

In Spanish is Edna Moda... which also means fashion lol

[@iantaggart3064]

@@survivorofthecurse717 There it is.

[@powerofanime1]

I always feel a warmth in my chest and chills up my spine when people mention The Iron Giant.

[@goldensenshi4828]

Gay

[@lojika1majik]

@@goldensenshi4828 straight.

[@thedollpretty91]

IKR? It's a really underrated movie...

[@rmglover3191]

you know how it's said that "if you don't notice it then it's doing its job?" well, sir, i've watched a good many of your videos and i've only now just notice another important ingredient in your secret sauce. it's your oration. you have an engaging, inspired delivery. timing, humor, pacing, voice control, intonation - all makes for a feast for the ears with the accompanying visuals. keep up the great work. - a fan

[@savagebooks7482]

That means a lot man! Thanks!

[@maoman4855]

Oh man, your very last point is something I've been telling my writer friends for years now: Don't write what you think your fans want to read. Write what YOU want to read and the fans will follow.

[@Rebellions]

Yeah I think a lot of people forget that your fans are *your fans* because they like the same shit you do, you just happen to be the one making it.

[@tornadomash00]

this is my mentality in art. i like what i draw already, and i know the people who like my art will like it because it's something i like. i don't need to push myself to make something better because everyone already likes my art as it is. this helps me improve at my own rate and how i want to improve

[@mrhello7611]

_Wait... It's all exaggerated Brad Bird??_ *Always has been*

[@omega1575]

Legend has it Brad Bird is actually an exaggerated Brad Bird

[@McGriddle69]

My favorite part of the incredibles has always been when Bob said "I'm not strong enough...." hits me every time.

[@TheKisj]

"If you try to analyse audiences or think there's some sophisticated recipe for success, then i think you are doomed. You're making it too complicated" this right here is something Disney should take to heart, especially when it comes to the star wars franchise.

[@nixiox]

The Incredibles is the live-action remake we deserve but should never be remade; this is a film that, as history has shown, won’t have an equal for a long time-if ever. I don’t believe even the sequel, though it was excellent, holds a candle to the original, simply because it’s a product of its time and the circumstances of its creator. It balances the classic super hero trope and a softer-version of, say, grittier DC styled themes. So, hell yeah, this is Pixar’s magnum opus because it laid the ground work for what we know as super hero films today, animated or otherwise.

[@ronansilke8104]

Honestly, I was really excited that they made a sequel. I watched this movie as a kid and back then I didn't really get it. I liked the movie and all but I didn't understand some of the themes at the time. Now that I've gained an appreciation for this film I thought that after all these years I'd get to see the sequel and to be honest it kinda sucked. Part of that was because of all the hype, it is a good movie but I think that you're right. We may never see a movie (at least in this genre) that tops *The* Incredibles. I kind of like that about it too though. It has this charm because it was a first-of-its-kind thing. We need new ideas, new directions and more risk involved in production.

[@sheltondaal6425]

When I watch the sequel I think back to Helen's cave scene about with Violet and Dash, when she lets them know the weight of the situation. Unfortunately, the second film just felt like a really well made Saturday cartoon.

[@mortiferamorphasmus]

Honestly? I think the main problem was the villain. She was copied off of Syndrome. It didn't feel new having someone w/o powers act out a neurosis. It felt like being stuck in a cycle. The whole story kind of warped around how bad a fit she was for the Incredibles and everything went down hill from there.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Well, it also won't be able to be made live-action simply because live action will *never* be able to do all the stuff animation can do. Until we're digitizing our brains and going all matrixy and stuff.

[@mksabourinable]

@@mortiferamorphasmus She also fell into the Disney twist villain trope that they seem to be stuck in.... Like jfc so many Disney movies have a twist villain it's practically expected, you just watch a Disney movie LOOKING for the twist villain now. (Pixar is owned and operated by Disney - far more than their other properties like Marvel or Lucasfilm)

[@Matthew-zx8cs]

Don’t forget Mr Incredible drinking mimosa’s on the flight to the island. Not a reference, it’s front and center.

[@JW-qd3ol]

would, you, care, for, more, mimosa? "don't mind if I do"

[@WikterRor2807]

@@shortkyuu7390 get a sweet bubbly wine and some freshly squeezed orange/pomagreanede... 50/50 juice and wine... Delicious

[@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo]

@@shortkyuu7390 oh my God they're so amazing

[@sqatch92]

The Incredibles is my favorite movie. Great animation and well written. Loved it as a kid, and now that I'm older I can appreciate so much more of it. One of my favorite parts is the scene where elastigirl is breaking in to the base. It has no dialogue, but the animation expresses everything. I could go for days, but I really enjoyed this breakdown and learning more about my favorite movie. Also, "You didn't save my life, you ruined my death!" Is an all-time dark comedy highlight

[@paperchasindude6578]

Fax

[@PentaCrab]

A man of culture, I see? The Incredibles is also my favorite movie ever.

[@ryanm.8720]

And the quote fits perfectly in other movies where someone gets an unwanted rescue. *Rose:* (in Mr. Incredible's voice) Hey! I saved your life! *Finn:* (in Mr. Sansweet's voice) You didn't save my life, you ruined my death! - The Incrediboiiiis

[@churblesfurbles]

"Morgoth & Endeavour's Classic Movies #6: The Incredibles" why it could never be made today

[@roonkolos]

That scene Brad talked about with Syndrome hearing Jack-Jack as he has the parents frozen. I'm not a parent but I genuinely felt a weird feeling of horror. As a parent you want to protect your kids, sometimes even willing to give your life to save them. Just the idea of a villain knowing the heroes are in numerous ways powerless to save someone so vulnerable felt wrong, horrifying, truly evil and its what makes syndrome a great villain. Obsession gone so far even in the final cut, he is fine with the idea he killed Helen, Violet and Dash in front of Bob. No remorse and thats just the layers of 1 single character Brad did a magnificent job of writing characters that are equal parts fantasy as much as they are truly human in ways with the entire cast

[@mothermovementa]

The fact that the incredibles was written and directed by 1 person is phenomenal

[@deidreannaisak]

I love how both Ratatouille and The Incredibles are both written and directed by Brad Bird. That just what a magnificent storyteller Brad Bird is. AND DISNEY PIXAR NEED TO BRING HIM BACK OR ELSE IT'S GOING TO BE DOWNHILL FOR THEM IN TERMS OF ANIMATED MOVIES as it already is. 👀

[@princessthyemis]

I COMPLETELY agree!!

[@tylerfish2701]

I want him to work on a Cartoon Saloon film. That would be awesome!

[@Chuked]

lol its sad they don’t care about good storytelling anymore

[@deidreannaisak]

@@Chuked Yeaahhh, especially since all they're doing now is make live-action movies.

[@Chuked]

@@deidreannaisak those days of mulan 1997 and the incredibles 2004 are over sadly also walle

[@tristanneal9552]

The scene where Helen is piloting the plane is probably the most intense and memorable piece of animation I saw as a child. I’ve gone back and watched it on its own many times because it’s just so captivating.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

You never mentioned that Brad didn't exactly plan on properly voicing Edna. He was initially doing demo lines for a voice actor/actress to get the general idea of what the director wants for the tone and whatnot. Everyone was like "yo, this sounds perfect!", and Brad thus became the VA for Edna. Also, the voice actress for Helen basically learned pilot talk so she could be as accurate as possible to real life piloting.

[@hariman7727]

Heh. Shades of R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket. They brought Mr. Ermey on as a coach/example, and then realized they'd never find an actor who could do the drill sergeant routine as good as he could.

[@purplehaze2358]

The sequel to _The Incredibles_ was above-average, but dear lord is it infinitely worse than its predecessor.

[@bane_0f_heroesx226]

I can't see it as good because of how amazing the first was. All I can do is compare the two.

[@genericsavings]

@@bane_0f_heroesx226 saw it a few weeks back. I was like you, didn’t wanna see it cause people said it was “just okay”. Visuals are excellent, but the story doesn’t do anything new or unique. It’s very “villain of the week” fare.

[@WTFBustahBrown]

@@genericsavings it should’ve had Dash and Violet as older and centered around them while showing an aged Bob and Helen

[@genericsavings]

@@WTFBustahBrown haha, I bet you were a Toy Story 3 fan.😜 I saw that movie(TS3) with my cousins & nieces. The kids had a good time, but I was having an existential crisis. Lol

[@elibridgers2781]

Rise of the Underminer should have been made as the official sequel, but more fleshed-out.

[@theaddictofgaming9174]

"Violet hiding behind her own hair is caricature" You've obviously never been an introvert with long hair, cause that is 100% true, and I've done it many times

[@tyf.5111]

His point is that they're showcasing Violet's insecurity and shyness BY constantly hiding behind her hair. The audience sees a teen girl, slouched over, curtain of hair in front of her face, and we already know exactly who this girl is. You saying that you do it in real life while also being an introvert just proves his point.

[@frostyflames7864]

I understood that part as: her feature is that she is shy and would hide behind her hair, and therefore her caricature is that she can actually disappear

[@maoman4855]

Also note that Violet CONSTANTLY hides behind her hair. My wife used to do the same thing when we were younger, but it really only happened when she was feeling especially overwhelmed or uncomfortable - most of the time her hair was normal because, well, having half your vision obscured by hair kinda sucks.

[@ryapowa]

@@maoman4855 I DO like how in the movie Violet spends the first part of it hiding behind her hair, then later when her mom trusts her to protect her little brother, she moves Violet's hair out of her face which boosted her confidence, and then by the end of the movie Violet is completely comfortable with who she is and no longer needs to hide behind her hair.

[@lucyandecember2843]

@@maoman4855 tbh i've met people that hid behind their hair constantly for years so its not persay unheard of

[@tropicalpenguin420]

I watch schaff and savage books. This feels like when my parents got divorced

[@bigkim1201]

​@Killerbug7 0 feel like this is pretty frequent in the west in general, not just the US....

[@julopliez]

@@bigkim1201 yeah, it's quite frequent in Europe too haha.

[@trishapellis]

@Killerbug7 0 Top 20 countries with the highest 'crude' divorce rate: Russia, Belarus, Gibraltar, US, Moldova, Lithuania, Belgium, Cuba, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Switzerland, Bermuda, Jordan, Denmark, San Marino, Finland, Sweden, Costa Rica, Portugal, Hungary. Conclusion: the US has higher divorce rates than all the European countries in this list, but only by very little, and counting everything West of Russia and Turkey as the European continent, 13 of the 20 countries are European countries (matter of fact, just about all of them are Northern European countries). Comparing by landmass I think we're only slightly behind you, really. There's also still a few countries around here where divorce is societally punished, just like in the South of the US. If you want to compare the US to Europe, it might be more accurate to compare by state, because even a lot of US states are as large as several European countries taken together, and these kinds of things can vary a lot by region. Maybe Washington is your Belgium, and South Carolina is your Greece (i.e. not on the list). Another thing I can add (and then I'm finishing this essay) is that both marriage AND divorce rates are dropping across both the US and Europe. We're marrying later, but it's causing more successful marriages.

[@katitax508]

Killerbug7 0 people get divorced almost everywhere in the world???

[@hyperion3145]

@@katitax508 His joke was that it is especially prevalent in the US and often times includes children. Even just looking at the US by itself, divorce and single parent families are surprisingly apparent but they appear to become less common in newer generations.

[@expressodepresso5909]

Both the airplane scene and the white room scene gave me anxiety even before I knew what anxiety was and I will forever love this movie because of that.

[@TheRealZachHadel]

I've always thought that moment where Helen looked down at the sinking plane was weird, like I was missing something, like did they lose a piece of technology or something that was going to help them? Why is she looking forlornly down at it like that? Now it makes sense lol

[@theoneandonly6112]

I figured it was because it was her plan to get home again.

[@AutiSims]

I always thought she was thinking something like “Holy shit, my kids almost died”

[@dang5874]

@@theoneandonly6112 i thought it was because it was her old friend's plane, but I think your guess makes a lot more sense.

[@helghast1149]

I always interpreted that as her recognition of how close the group just came to sure death. If Violet had faltered they would have been dead and Helen knew that. Now she’s floating in the ocean with her two children figuring out where they are and just how serious this is.

[@bavarianbanshee]

To my knowledge, in the final version of the movie, that was meant to be part of one of the missiles, and as it goes down, you can see an S in the wreckage, presumably to represent Syndrome. Side note: I love that you see Helen look down for a split second before moving the kids out of the way, implying that she saw the reflection of the wreckage.

[@CalvinChikelue]

Straight up think the 3 best scenes in the movie are: The plane disaster The first time the family meets & fights together with all their powers just instantly clicking & Dash’s run, particularly running on water. I will never cease to smile when he gives that little laugh once he realizes what he can do Definitely every time I watch this I realize why it’s one of my all time favs

[@artistrg3487]

And when Edna is showing off the new super suits.

[@jbyungwoo]

Best super hero movie, best spy movie, best family movie with more than great action, suspense, emotional impact, with the sense of mystery and adventure. You really can't want more in a movie than this.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Whoo I absolutely love this movie. It is my all star favorite Pixar movie.

[@justsomeguyanimations]

How in earth's side u get here 4 hours before the video existed?

[@alexthering6615]

@@justsomeguyanimations he is a super! Get him!

[@justsomeguyanimations]

@@alexthering6615 Hey hey hey. We don't do that. His powers don't make him bad.

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@justsomeguyanimations oh I'm absolutely bad, but yes it's not my power that make me evil

[@justsomeguyanimations]

@@wisdommanari6701 I see Explain yourself then

[@bugbitesquared5319]

Seeing the beginnings of how Brad Byrd approached The Incredibles reminds me a lot of how Team Silent started in on Silent Hill - bringing together the unconventional ideas to deconstruct narrative and norms with a mass of creators who were unconventional. Entirely different with both the content and how it came together but just an offhand thought

[@charmandyorton006]

10:11 Fun Fact: Brad Bird here is talking about the deleted scene with Snug flying the plane to build him up only to kill him off, and he compares deleting the scene to expelling a kidney stone.

[@natecgames4612]

I loved Syndrome as a villain because he was written with the intent to do everything in his ability to be a superheros worst nightmare. In the babysitting short he was shown to be a generally charismatic guy to the person caring for Jack jack while the incredibles were fighting off his mad robot. It's the detail that he means absolutely no harm to regular citizens. His evil plan was to set up the robot not only to make himself look good when he pretends to beat it, but to eradicate all of the superheros that experienced the glory days and it would imply that those who weren't in those days wouldn't combat him because they have little to no experience in fighting anything, let alone the robots that killed their family and family friends. Even his monologe while Bob is cuffed describes how he doesn't want to put the world in havoc. He explains how he will be the only "superhero" up to bat until he grows old or tired of his lie and will sell everything to the public. Effectively that would have made him win even after the death of every character, imagine how much the news, the government, even the media would kiss Ironmans butt I'd he had all of his equipment mass produced before he died so that everyone could eat it up. It would make him more renowned as a superhero then even the snap because everyone will think they could be him. Syndromes truly in it for the history books because after people realize that their greed has turned their lives with new toys more mundane over time, they'll look at the pages of the day he made himself public and probably consider him as the greatest superhero of at least his generation, if not all time. All that because he was a smart kid with a dream he couldn't reach. That's god tier writing for you.

[@shcdemolisher]

Indeed! That's a proper villain right there.

[@rclark8688]

Incredibles was and still is one of my favorite films, and I still get more out of each time I watch it.

[@paperchasindude6578]

Same

[@MrRochester1206]

The movie is the story of thickness

[@frostyflames7864]

Thiccness, as some 18+ sites would have you believe

[@nixiox]

thicc gurl

[@mark0183]

Is this a ElasTHICCK girl reference!!???

[@bboyhoyack]

The Incredibles is the best animated movie there is. It's just perfect in every regard.

[@dupadupadoo69]

agreed. Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse is the only other animated movie I can see almost being on the same level as The Incredibles.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

Nobody gives The Iron Giant the love it deserves, not even Brad Bird fans...

[@i.j.dragonfly3123]

The Prince of Egypt easily makes top 5 for me as well.

[@levelmake7758]

I believe Ratatouille and The Incredibles are both great movies in their each way. They both exceed in certain categories, while at a minimum being ok in others. For example, both movies are equal in music. I would give them both 10/10 in music, but in other categories they aren’t equal. The plot of Ratatouille is worse then The Incredibles, while Ratatouille has a beautiful setting. That scene where Remy walks up pipes and you can see the city of France is fucking beautiful or when Remy is sitting on the window seal is amazing. There are only 1-2 of these scenes in The Incredibles, while in Ratatouille it was the movie. The entire movie could be considered one of those scenes. So I really don’t know which one could be considered Pixar’s magnum oppose. I’m gonna say... Neither. WE ALL KNOW CARS 2 IS THE BEST MOVIE AHH YEAH BOY YEAH

[@paperchasindude6578]

Fax

[@Soul56293]

Unpopular opinion but Up is better than both.

[@l-_olvlo_-l]

@@Soul56293 Not only unpopular but objectively wrong.

[@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820]

@@Soul56293 Even more unpopular, Wall-E is better than all of them. Carl and Ellie were a beautiful couple in Up though.

[@elise7650]

Cars 2>>>any other cars movie

[@mossy_skeleton]

I love how both Ratatouille and The Incredibles are both directed by Brad Bird

[@darkecofreak23]

I love you bringing up the idea of action moments becoming character moments, like Dash expecting to fall into the water and then realizing he can run on water. I’ve been slogging through Tales of Zestiria, and there are very few character moments. Mostly, the plot happens to the characters in that game. The main character Sorey meets a young woman Alisha and leaves his cushy hometown to return something to her after she leaves, and on a whim becomes the savior supposedly destined to save the world. What? On the other hand, Tales of Berseria is about a young woman who suffers a horrible loss at the hands of someone she trusted and swears bloody vengeance against him. We’re forced to watch when the betrayal happens, so we want to see Velvet’s vengeance delivered as well. Making us watch Velvet lose everything did more to endear us to her in one hour than 40+ hrs of exposition happening to Sorey.

[@lbmybblb7993]

Didn't he say that incredibles was a better movie but rat-patootie was special because of it's message?

[@nexiz47]

Thanks for this! 'The Incredibles' still stands as my favorite Pixar movie by far. One of the things I always highlight when praising it to others: The entire subplot with Helen thinking Bob is being unfaithful - it can be appreciated by adult audiences, but a toddler watching would be completely oblivious to it. Also, the airplane scene definitely stands as one of the most intense action-scenes in ANY animated movie. Great video as always - I especially enjoyed the nostalgia :) (I was 20 when this came out)

[@Nic_2751]

God I just appreciate this movie even MORE with Brad’s commentary and how much he thought every last detail through and the amount of mature storytelling and depth he added even at the expense of some great parts that couldn’t be kept, I do believe this is Pixar’s Magnum Opus

[@purplehaze2358]

If only more directors had a philosophy of scrapping what they want for the quality of the story overall.

[@smileyface9064]

"The parts of them that are thematically important and significant are so exaggerated that we can't help but notice them." Is this why Helen got that dumptruck?

[@stephaniec6307]

Ratatouille or The Incredibles, either way Brad Bird wins

[@aerieleah533]

Your segment around 20 minutes was something that I have always said about animation.Because even if the characters are recognizable as human, there is a distance that you will always have between an animated character and real life. So by stripping away everything else, you can deal with some pretty heavy things. In particular anime because of the fact that you see so many darker things that happen in them, but Disney and Pixar too to some degree. Animation has helped me deal with some serious hang-ups through serious allegory. And I will forever thank the stories that did that.

[@KoongYe]

"Brad Bird voiced Edna himself" Me: Oh... wait WUT??

[@chrispoe27]

“When everyone’s special no one will be.” (One of my most favorite quotes from a super villain.)

[@shadynumbers8561]

As a kid, the iron giant was the only movie that made me cry. Brother bear was close

[@mitchellg4834]

I watched incredible for the first time in while and realized there is literally not a single boring part of the movie, every scene is flawless. The pacing is fantastic, the characters are well developed and everything is just written so perfectly

[@Gormfork]

I fucking love that there’s a spoiler warning for the incredibles

[@mayravixx25]

I still watch The Incredibles on a regular basis almost 17 years later. It's such an amazing movie, and it's darker tones are what I tend to look for in movies. Sadly though, we never found out where Frozone's super suit was being kept.

[@realmush6794]

The final quote hit me. As an aspiring author working on his first draft, understanding that I should write what I find interesting is very helpful. "Write what you yourself wants to read/watch,"I think is very good advice. Thank you for all these videos, Savage.

[@Stop.Arguing]

Ok, this is epic: Savage Books vs Schaffrillas? Top 10 anime battles

[@grubbierspider5271]

Honestly, your breakdowns are a lot better than Schaff's. I've watched Schaff on and off for about a year and a half now, but I've watched you since your GoT videos, and I can safely say I enjoy your content a lot more. The best way I can explain it is that Schaff analizes movies from the outside while you understand the characters and what makes them what they are.

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

Schaff does his opinion, which is fine. But this is more like a college thesis. Far less subjective and opinionated.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

@@LizLuvsCupcakes also thanks to it being opinion based it can lead to things like his political views getting in the way of his judgment. His falcon and the winter soldier video suffered from that as pretty much everyone agreed that that was an uncharacteristically poor quality of judgment from him on that video. Though that video is definitely the worst of it. Only time the comment section in his video was basically unanimous in saying you are wrong.

[@LizLuvsCupcakes]

@@ultimaterecoil1136 don’t get me wrong; the man can have his opinions. They just… in this particular format, I feel like they tend to make the videos worse?

[@wingdingdoes6687]

You highlighted perfectly how dark this movie can be ( 'There are children on board, saved your life/ ruined my death, they WILL kill you, I only wanted to help' scenes ect) and yet the tone isn't depressing or overly stressful. Its still a funny, fast-paced family movie! An amazing and interesting breakdown of how they walked that line.

[@ProductBasement]

The scene where Dash and Violet are being chased through the jungle is the best time I've ever had watching an animated movie

[@eatatjoes6751]

The irony of the sequel being milquetoast makes this even sadder. Like, the first one bucked superhero convention in an era where we weren't ready for superhero deconstruction movies yet and now when *everyone and their mother* has already ripped apart the genre here comes the Incredibles II... ...trying to rebuild the genre they'd helped tear to shreds. This also goes for Pixar too.

[@randomasgray]

Honestly love these kinds of videos. I just wish Atlantis could get this kind of love directly instead of as clips here and there. It is one of my favorite Disney movies from my childhood. I remember it far more than "better" Disney films, such as little mermaid.

[@derkach7907]

20:13 "Sometimes, when you are too close to a problem..." *shows the fat man's bad breath -Genius editing

[@yumemilee]

Big fan of the channel and I loved this breakdown!! Some notes on the history portion: - Animation is a medium not a genre. There is nothing inherent in cartoon that makes it for children, that is an American-specific stigma - Most animated features from the major studios used this same production structure of multiple directors/writers/storyboard artists, it wasn’t specific to Pixar. They were doing what they learned from CalArts, the Disney pipeline school. - Warner Brothers feature animation was bankrupted by critical/commercial flop Quest for Camelot. Iron Giant was funded by what was left, with little marketing budget which led to its commercial struggle. Within the industry however, Bird was admired for his ability to fight off (and outsmart) executives who wanted Iron Giant to fit the Disney mold and include musical numbers and a love interest.

[@helghast1149]

I’ll never forget the chills and intrigue I felt when seeing Syndrome’s base and troops. They felt modern and threatening. They carried guns and used advanced technology which considering it looks to take place in the 1950’s was even more impressive. Helen explaining to Dash and Violet that these were not Saturday morning cartoon villains and that given the chance they WOULD kill them is still such an important scene to me to this day. The aesthetics we see when Elastigirl sneaks into the base is something that drove me to my military background and engineering degree. I knew they were supposed to be the bad guys but seeing the scene of them in the control room made me immediately think of scenes from the Death Star in Star Wars. Let’s not forget the most moving scene in the movie when Mr. Incredible discovers Operation Kronos! The music and setting is just so moving and poignant. These were friends of his! Gazerbeam was front row at his wedding and then we find his corpse later! What’s even more impressive about this scene is that if you pay attention to the Omnidroid models that slay the heroes they are actually improved upon accordingly. Each subsequent model was built on improvements from the last and the hero that fought it. So knowing that Omnidroid 08 which Mr. Incredible defeated was the culmination of many models before that had slaughtered supers hits harder. Last thing to note is that Bob never defeated Omnidroid 09. It’s likely that he would not have been able to defeat OM-09 by himself anyways! So many good parts to the movie that make it the legendary kino we know and love to this day. Thanks Mr. Bird!

[@shortycareface9678]

"We make films that we ourselves would want to see and then hope that other people would want to see it." That's beautiful

[@hippothehippo]

I always love hearing that creators I enjoy watching enjoy watching each other. It's so refreshing hearing people compliment each other's work.